all right hi guys uh let me add
so i think we're gonna wait a little bit for people to join
and i'm also gonna add guys to the stage hi dima
yeah hello how you doing i'm good how are you I'm also going to add guides to the stage. Hi, Dima.
Yeah, hello. How are you doing?
Yeah, we're also good. We're on a retreat here all together, doing some good stuff.
Somewhere in the mountains of Kazakhstan.
So, are you also going to go for some hiking or just working hard?
Yeah, we always working hard but it's you know, hiking is kind of part of the day, our used routine for the weekends and stuff. Okay, sounds great. So, let's wait for Vadim as well to join the stage.
So before we're going to jump into today's session,
we're going to wait a little bit for people to join.
I just shared the information in Discord and Telegram. Also everyone who
is listening, it would be awesome if you can retweet the X-Space and reshare the
event. So it's gonna help us. So if everyone is going to like the X-Space and reshare,
it's going to give us more visibility.
But so what's today's session about?
Today's session is going to be a little bit different.
I would say that it's even for people who are not really strong, it's technical.
I would say that it's even for people who are not really strong with technical.
And the topic is about how has Web3 changed your life, our daily life.
At the end of the session, there is going to be Q&A, so everyone can join and ask some
questions or join the discussion.
And I think we can start. Also,
the session is recorded for anyone who couldn't join. And then also, after every session, I create a recap thread on Twitter, so you can even read about it. And I think we can start with the first question.
So, guys, again, I'm going to let you speak so you can decide who's going to answer.
But since today's session is a little bit more friendly, I think you can both join and share your side of story.
side of story. So my first question is, what was the aha moment that got you into web-free development?
Yes, speaking of me, there was nothing about me in the crypto for some long period of time,
since I ever heard about the Bitcoin, about the fium in like 2017 and stuff.
But once upon a time, I was looking for a job
and I've been applying for everything I could find.
And actually, I was blowed up on the interview to the guys
who were working on some kind of new, you know, like, like database or something like this. And the next my
deployment is going to the gear and I'm here working on the
database, but it's kind of different one in the Web3
manner and something just happens to me with my like
realization and feelings about how does the tech work.
So I think it's kind of a breaker in my life when I applied for the first job in Web3.
So yeah, I think it's it.
And for me, the first time I heard about Web3 actually it was around 2018 it was about
Ethereum but I know it was like something unique I haven't heard of Q3 before. And it wasn't like a-ha moment.
I just read about you can do some kind of
programs on Ethereum, smart contracts, and
it was something strange for me. I didn't get it.
And the second time it was when I applied for
Gear. I met Nikolai and he explained what is it for, how it works.
And I got that aha moment, like, wow, I can do something decentralized.
And I started exploring different ecosystems, Ethereum, Solana.
And it got me interesting like it's very open source community and you can look for everything that you want, you can look for smart contracts, you can use it in your everyday life. So it's in a moment like you can touch it, you can code it, and you can use it.
And it's not something like in Web2 world. You just don't feel connected to everyone.
I think we need to quote Vadim saying, you can touch it, you can code it, and you can use it.
It's a great way how to introduce or explain Web3 or explain how great it is.
free or explain how great it is uh so like hearing your stories it seems like for i think for everyone
joining web free for the first time it's very it's a lot of information and it's just very difficult
to understand so actually my next question is since you already know what's web free or crypto
how do you explain what do you do to your non-crypto friends or family?
Actually it's a super funny moment just because first thing I would like to notice that from my
point of view from the cities where I live and something like this there is a lot of like the
live and something like this, there is a lot of like the most population of these cities,
these big cities, they know about the crypto. Even my parents without me, without my help,
they, ah, Bitcoin or something like this. And I say, not exactly, but okay. So it's kind of
a funny thing happens all the time when you say that you work in crypto and everybody's like, what meme coin do you do?
So there is kind of a lack of understanding what is crypto, what is Web3 generally about, just because there is a lot of things that people know from the internet, from the memes, from even TV news and stuff.
So when it comes to explaining what do we do, there is two explanations. The
first one I say when I don't want to explain anything and I just say I'm doing like some stuff,
you know, it just work to do decentralized compute or something like this, just building a blockchain.
And what I'm interested in speaking to the person, I'm starting like,
you know, the blockchain is kind of decentralized P2P connected network in some kind of topology
and they have a consensus mechanism, they have distributed like trustless execution environment
and they used to perform some arbitrary code on them and
blah blah blah. So it's kind of hard to go with right now. So I'm just explaining most
of the time so just explain it easy way that we do a blockchain. It's always enough. I
would say something like this
yeah my friends know about web3 only by trading or speculation or money laundering laundering so when i'm trying to explain what am i doing so i'm building web3 this is like some privacy stuff and you can do
decentralized computing you can move your data from Facebook
Google to yourself but no one really cares right now but I think in
future it will be like more broad topic and everyone should be involved in this.
But mainly, yeah, for most people, it's just about crypto, trading, money.
It's hard to explain, like, what am I doing here?
like what am what am i doing here
yeah i feel like uh people still don't understand like there are a lot of like job opportunities
and actually a lot of dabs and a lot of ecosystems and it's just like a lot of conferences and a lot
of people meeting people just see crypto still as trading Bitcoin usually the most,
but they don't see the bigger picture.
So definitely get your side regarding this.
So moving to the next question,
is there any web-free app you check when you wake up or daily?
And if yes, then what kind of app do you check, like when you wake up or daily? And if yes, then what kind of app
I usually start to check my staking, different staking applications on different networks,
of course, on VAR network. And recently recently I started to use Aster DEX
it's something like hyperliquid but built from inside Binance team as far as I
know and it's just started to gain traction and it's interesting it's just
DEX but you can use perpetual trading spot trading and it's just text, but you can use perpetual trading, spot trading, and it's really fast, reliable.
So yeah, it's just something new, because I haven't used Hyperliquid, and Aster is something new for me.
But sometimes I use something different, not about De DeFi but it's mostly experimental stuff
yeah yes I'm so sorry I'm not that kind of you know crypto geek I do not check anything in the
morning I just have my coffee and open it and my my the most preferable web 2 application is
github.com so I think I couldn't elaborate on something like this,
but I just realized, Claire, that you could help us answering these ones
just because we're not tech-related and we are all in the crypto and stuff.
I don't know if I'm the best person to answer this question
because the only thing I check when I wake up or daily is Twitter,
which I use for checking Web3 news and stuff.
So I think it still counts, but I'm not really using any Web3 app daily, honestly.
You could ask us to call you one that you would like.
You could ask us to call you one that you would like.
Maybe, maybe, maybe we can do another session about this, about some potential web-free apps we would actually use daily.
So another question is a little bit different.
So another question is a little bit different.
I'm wondering, has Web3 changed your way of thinking about money and values and this stuff?
For me, of course, yes, because I just started to look at my money that I own.
Like I can have some interesting interest on my money so they can work out for me.
I rarely use banks just to pay for stuff, but nothing about investment, nothing about something
complex. So Web3 is just my go-to ecosystem for my finance and yeah of
course it's changed a lot. It's just you own your own money, your data, your everything.
And it's just, I think I'm too young to be involved in classic finance system.
So I'm glad that I'm into Web3 stuff.
I'm gonna say crazy stuff about me, is super opposite to you Vadim just because when I was like you know I was I think it was like 16 years old I used to have some investments and I was trading or doing some midterm investments for a long time maybe one and a half years and I actually good in this. I didn't have a lot of money.
It was like maybe a hundred bucks or something like this, but I made it till,
I think it was 17 or 20% APY.
So I think it's good for the scholarship and stuff.
So, and I want to like highlight this stuff when you're growing up, becoming a man, becoming a grown person.
You used to get to the classic stuff around you differently.
So for example, you learn how to pay for electricity, you learn how to pay your taxes, what is taxes and stuff. So and it becomes like a game changer for you to understand your money when you have
some savings, how to operate with them, how do you feel them?
Do you keep cash under your bed or do you have some, you know, ones and zeros on your
bank account or you do have ones and zeros in the money wallets or on the tax or something like
this so uh I think crypto helps you to realize that you are the owner of your funds uh it helps
you to avoid some limitations for example from the governance um from the governance perspective it
helps you to avoid some uh broker things commissions maybe time to time. It helps you to avoid some limits just because if you have crypto,
you may trade it or stake it till the very end.
Yeah, and it helps you to keep in touch with the people
just because there is always an opportunity for new instruments
to become like viral, for become like profitable and stuff.
So you do explain something you know to your friends who are involved into this team
or they help you to like find a new gem from your perspective,
maybe some DeFi protocols and stuff.
So I think when you're using all of this, you start,
of course, you start to treat your money differently.
So I wouldn't say that it changes everything like at all,
just because money is still money and we need them just to live our life and nothing was happy
with just money. But it helps you to be more organized and having a peace of mind on it all the time.
on it all the time. Yeah I can say that it is also easy to track your money like you can have
different bank accounts but it's hard to get some something like API to track your money you need to do it manually or use some kind of
application but in Web3 you can track everything you can sync it just it's
just open for everyone and if you know what to do with your data you can do
everything and it's just good from tracking perspective you just can keep your things in one place for example like your data
i think what we could maybe also mention here i don't know if it really fits to the topic but
i think like what definitely people need to start think about
when they enter Web3 and they, you know,
you manage your own money at wallets or if it's,
it doesn't matter if those are hard wallets, hardware or software.
But we can see that for people it's really struggle at the beginning
to kind of keep safe your, you know, phrases.
Don't share your passwords.
Don't sign in with your wallets to some tricky websites.
So I think if it changed my view in any way, it was like to try be really safe with me
behaving on the internet and especially with all the wallets and all the kind of
way how people can steal your money so I think that definitely changed my way of
thinking once I entered the crypto I understood that I really need to be careful about my,
you know, about my money.
Yeah, actually, antiviruses have never been that kind of hypey, rather than from the very
beginning of the crypto, just because every user now thinks about their privacy, about
what do they download from the internet and stuff yeah i can add that crypto and web 3 just teach you how to take the risks of
owning your own things your own stuff like you just need to be safe and protect your
private keys protect your private keys, protect your privacy.
You just get some insights about things that belong to you.
Like, for example, with a bank system, you just trust your bank.
But in Web3, you just need to trust yourself, your own thoughts, your critical thinking.
And that's a good school of life.
All right, so we kind of mentioned this,
but so did DeFi protocols replace,
or like have DeFi protocols replaced your traditional banking for anything?
Like, do you feel like you use crypto more?
Obviously, like maybe you can even use crypto because we have many crypto cards.
like people can't be fully crypto. So is this your case or do you still use traditional banking more?
Like people can't be fully crypto.
Yeah, I would like to use it like this. I would like to have like, you know, cryptocurrency card,
but I couldn't find any solutions for me just because I'm not eligible. I do not like, for example, a resident of Europe and something like this.
But I think it will never replace it just because there is a lot of people
or organizations that only accept some legacy approaches,
just classic Swift transfers or something similar to it.
So it will like take place in the future, I think, maybe in like five years,
we're going to have an option to pay with crypto, not only in like the famous places
which are super crypto friendly, but also in some kind of motels, maybe in the south of America.
But it will not be this year maybe this two years but
we are definitely heading in this direction and we're gonna reach it sometime
yeah yeah in daily life you you just need to work around some things to get your
you just need to work around some things to get your finance in your bank account
but if I see if I can pay for something for digital in crypto I will use crypto
like for example if I buy some games for Steam for example some sites can accept crypto and I will pay by crypto so
this is the way how I use it but of course in your daily life you just you need to work around to
And yeah, it's not used for crypto.
Some companies can use your crypto funds to pop your cards, but it's not for anyone.
Yeah, actually it's an absurd situation from my point of view just because we just invented
crypto to avoid using classic banks and now we are looking for some banks that would help us to
utilize our crypto so they could still limit us, they could terminate our cards or do anything
with our cards and our crypto top-ups to them. It's ridiculous from my point of view.
crypto top-ups to them. It's ridiculous from my point of view.
Only because it's only hardcore, you know.
Yeah, it's true. It's a good point. But since they have the adoption, which is not in crypto,
maybe it could be also a way how to attract more people to crypto but we will see what the future will bring us
um so another question is what's the most interesting way you've earned crypto it can
be through development or anything uh you know something interesting maybe when you enter web free or whatever I can
remember when I was like 12 years old there was a lot of to get coins and
bitcoins cranes the size that give you some small amount of Bitcoin or Dogecoin for watching an advertisement or just once daily.
And of course I lost all my keys, I didn't know that this is something I need to keep.
And now I can only regret, but it was a lot of dogecoins, as I remember, and some kind of LTC, I think.
Because it was so cheap and anyone can just give it for free.
How do you feel being second guy in the industry?
Yeah, of course, I mean the first one who paid for the pizza with Bitcoins and second is you definitely.
I remember I mined Litecoin for some time with my CPU and it was not a lot of money, but I think it's just a lot now.
And I tried to recover it.
I don't even know on which HDD it was.
I just remembered after five years. So yeah. Actually the question was about earnings from our
development or doing something and you only saying about the losses and I want
to continue keep doing this just because I haven't yet earned some money from the
crypto, not from the DeFi I mean, in some kind of funny way, just because I was using my
GitHub and the Git through HTTPS without my SSH key. So I just missed a lot of airdrops for
developers just because I haven't been able to provide my SSH key, but I had an enormous amount of contributions in our repository,
in Polkadot, Substrate, and other huge guys in the industry.
So it was funny and kind of sad that I wasn't using SSH, but I do now.
using ssh but i do now so guys you know how to contact me you know how to find it
So guys, you know how to contact me, you know how to find it.
actually i remember we get some airdrop on avail uh network and i didn't but i contributed to
substrate codebase too oh yeah i don't remember if i actually yeah i got some air up too actually
yeah i lied uh once a point in the
time you shared me the link to avail airdrop and I got it yeah that was just one time there was
one more project that I dropped some amount I cannot remember but it was more broad spectrum of developers in Web3.
So, like, from my perspective, there are, like, dApps, which are, like, for walking or running.
You, for example, enter with, let's say, you know, $10 in USDC.
Everyone put their $10 in USDC,
so you have this big prize pool.
And then those who don't finish the steps
in some amount, let's say a week,
they're going to lose the money.
they're going to reshare the prize pool.
So I think that's the only way
money in some interesting way so it's actually good i think it's a good motivational
dabs you can use and so it's actually good for your health uh but i think it's the only way
because i'm not the developer so I never got any airdrop.
I also haven't really explored or played with some protocols so never received anything.
Yeah, this sounds like a good idea. I can remember it was a popular dab.
It was about the sneakers, like you just buy some boots and walk around and you earn some tokens and you can sell it or you can buy some new sneakers.
It's like NFT. I don't remember. Step on Solana. Step on.
But I think it's dead now or they just developed a really bad tokenomics system and just no one used it.
That was like, you know, giving motivation product in an industry inside the Solana ecosystem especially.
I'm just wondering if you have somebody with our listeners who earned something in a hamster just because from my point of view, that was a great scam for the students.
Oh, yeah, I remember that.
All right, let's move to the next question. So my next question, I have a lot of questions, which we will not make through all of them.
So I'm wondering, since you are both developers, how has the open source nature of web3 affected
Like, is it different than before?
Do you mean some kind of tooling or it's more about the habits?
Like at all, how do I feel?
feel how do I prefer something to use when I code?
How do I prefer something to use when I code?
I think it's, I would even be wondering, like, since, you know, we try to make Web3, like, more secure, like,
are there any, like, details you think about more when you are coding a Web3 stuff than maybe before if you've been
to somebody else's business
for example if you want to use them
libraries just because we are all open source and we have mostly open licenses on our products.
So it's a good habit from my point of view to contribute, to help some guys have a feedback
on their products, to help them to have some fixes. If I have time and I have like knowledge how to do something
and they are like super busy, it's good to help to each other.
And we had a lot of guys who was like responsive to our,
for example, requests, hey guys, could you do this?
And they say, no, no, no, we can just because we don't have time.
But if you are good to go and you have some solution, welcome uh in our pull request we're gonna approve you we're gonna we're gonna
put it in like uh recent or uh closest release or something like this
yeah i think that web3 community have a lot of smart people and if you compare usual corporate development, they work in some private code bases, private repositories and they can have smart people but these smart people like don't go open source. You cannot find them, you cannot collaborate with them, you cannot contact them.
But Web3 development is almost mostly open source and you can go anywhere, you can learn, you can see someone else work and because of a lot of smart people there
you can collaborate, you can just look for a good codebase and you can get
help, it's just very friendly community, you can talk with someone, you can see it on Twitter and everyone just open about it
and in classic way of development most people are not online. I don't know how to say, but Web3 community just connects everyone. Like I said before, you can touch it, you can use it, you can code.
You just can connect with everyone in Web3 space.
But if you go in different space, I don't know, maybe HFT trading, for example.
And it's more like in-person communication
yeah so it's just a big community that empowered open source development for
the last years like the Linux is the top tier open source project and a lot of Web3 projects just evolved open source development.
I think after this AMA, I'm going to make a governance proposal, proposing that Vadim
should be forced to put this quote in his statuses on a next, on a GitHub.
So see you in the Garnels.
Yeah, I think we're going to use this quote a lot from now on.
So my next question is, how do you handle the security mindset shift from Web 2 to Web 3?
And has Web 3 changed your perspective on data ownership and privacy?
So just for example, to give you context, once you understood the benefits of Web 3 and what's the point and really trying to keep community users safe
and also like let them own their own data. Have you stopped, for example, using some apps or did
you even start to read like this kind of privacy thing you get when you sign up, for example, to
Facebook or anything? So like, did you stop using typical apps? Did you start
accounts, in my YouTube, for example,
for mail and I started to use ad blockers and I just switched to Proton for mail and I started to use ad
blockers and I just really started to get rid of everything. I know that this
is just a business model but I don't want to see it, I don't want to be, how to say to lost my privacy it's just feeling like I'm I'm being watched
I don't like it so I'm trying to yeah stay anonymous or just don't
You keep staying anonymous right now, right?
Yeah, I would like to say that we mentioned the antiviruses before during
the AMA, but I didn't become such kind of a paranoid guy just because I do realize how
security works and we are super insecure right now just because we all have our phones and the Google and the Apple they they
do they job good you know but since the time I become the free developer changed my mindset I
think I I've forbidden much more like requests having access to my microphone to my camera I
haven't been ever scotching my camera on the
laptops just because i still think it's kind of weird but it's uh it's it helps somebody keep
calm uh but i think i i did become more accurate i did become um more you know uh handwriting
handwriting guy just because uh now if i have some recovery codes for example for the github
if i have my secret phrases i always write them down with my hands in like in the closet cabinet
without anybody across me around me um and yeah so i had a habit when you see some application
that you do not like need or it's not important, it's
not fund related and there is some security codes or there's some kind of passwords you
need to memorize and you're just making screenshots or like texting yourself in Telegram or in
But now I do not do it, like, ever.
I mean, when I entered Web3, I was, like, crazy.
Like, I, you know, I have deleted all my social platforms,
like Facebook, Instagram.
I've created, like, my Web3 name web free name like privacy you know like exactly
changed to proton mail uh put a new password for old logins so I have new email and new password
for everything I have a passport like a descriptive like a decrypted like a app so like I've been crazy but like you know you you get lost
communication with your friends and everyone so right now I'm back on Instagram and it's just like
I don't really use it for scrolling but like for the communication with all your friends it's just
like you know something um and you know guys what's really funny to me like we talk about
like privacy security in web3 but then the most used platform we use in web3 is twitter
so i mean i know there is a firecaster but i still don't see the adoption there as big as on twitter so like it's really funny to me don't you think
yeah yeah no alternatives to twitter right now yeah i mean some people are on forecaster but i
just feel like it's still not like twitter it's like still people like when you're applying for web free jobs
and everything still people
want to know your Twitter account
could I ask you a question
your people communications.
I was just wondering if it's due to your obsess on the Instagram
or it's due to them thinking that we are like kind of creep, insecure, geek in the crypto
just because you deleted everything, you changed everything.
Yeah, they thought that I'm crazy.
And obviously we didn't have where to chat because i'm like i'm gonna use only signal i'm not gonna use i messages don't write me anywhere
i just deleted everything like so they thought first of all i'm crazy second of all no one wants
to download a signal another app so some of the people did actually.
And with my closest friends, I'm still writing only through Signal.
But then other friends, you know, they didn't download it.
So obviously, but yeah, they definitely thought that I'm super creepy and weird.
Yeah, actually, if you want to talk to me or or text me just locate me by my ip address and
we gotta just talk in person just send a message all right all right so i have a last question for
today's session um which is something i'm actually thinking uh a lot And my question is, if Web3 disappeared tomorrow,
what would you miss the most?
Or even what would you do instead?
I would miss everything just because if Up3 disappears tomorrow,
that means that tomorrow I'm losing part of my enthusiasm,
I'm losing my goal, I'm losing something that emphasizes and helps me to keep going,
keep building something new. So it's not about losing the job, it's about losing the idea. So I would become building something like Web4 and looking for other guys who still misses that we had.
Yeah, I would miss my Web3 interaction, Web3 dApps.
That you just can do a few clicks and all your money here, all your money there,
you can do something, you can pay for something and it's just easy to use and
I would miss it and of course it's about motivation, it's a friendly
community as I said it's just a lot of very smart people building some new technology and you can learn something new every day.
And it will be just said that all of this effort is just gone.
And of course, someone needs to build Web4 instead of Web3 if it's lost forever.
But I would miss just this movement, this community, this open source.
It just keeps me warm every day. Will you be saying that we all gonna miss our USDTs guys?
Could you say? Not really. I would miss tokens. So you can transfer your USDTs to me if you Do you trust USDT actually? Yeah, why not?
I trust USDT, but I use USDT mainly.
Yeah, just because it's much more comfortable to use USDT because everyone is accepting USDTs.
But the point is, USDT has its blacklist and something like this, but I'm not a huge gay, I'm not a politician. I'm just being also as well as anonymous as you do mostly.
As far as I know, UDC is just more compliant and transparent and they got EU approval, I think.
So we don't get in a one hour discussion.
The differences between USDC and USDC.
I wanted to ask the audience.
If anyone has some question for you guys.
Or just want to maybe share some of their funny stories in web
free or even like to respond the question like what would you do if web free wouldn't be here
if anyone has a question you can raise your hand and I will add you to the stage
I just wanted to say that I think I would take a long vacation
if WebPree wouldn't be here.
I would delete Twitter, LinkedIn,
and I would be free from updating myself with all the news,
with all the topics, and I would just you know delete the capture
and I think my brain would like
okay it's done you don't need it now
just delete all the information
you deserved all this time
I'm just joking, obviously you said it pretty well, like missing all the innovations, the
people, the community is one of the biggest things.
I feel like no one wants to ask you any question and since you probably said everything pretty well and since we are here almost for
50 minutes so I think it's time to say goodbye.
I have one more thing to discuss.
You have something to discuss?
Have you heard about the story that Meta, when you browse Instagram or Facebook,
they turn on your microphone and listen for your words, your topics,
and make personalized ads from your thoughts.
I mean, I didn't hear about it, but I know that sometimes when I'm talking with my friends,
for example, about something, then I see this on my Instagram or like websites, like, you know,
like, for example, if we're going to talk about some shoes or something, then I see the shoes.
the shoes. So obviously I think it's weird.
So obviously, I think it's weird.
leaked information that Instagram uses your microphone
to listen for everything.
It's just strange and this is how Web2 world
Yes, so big takeaway from this
Well, thanks a lot for today's
discussion. I know it wasn't really technical, but I really enjoyed this chat with you. Do you have anything else to share to the audience?
their laptops to your AirPods, to your phone.
And we're just going to say, we want some shoes.
We need new shoes, guys, new shoes, like the red shoes.
So you can thank us later.
So thanks, everyone, who joined to this session.
And thanks, guys. And yeah, have a great day session uh see you next month and thanks guys and yeah have a
great day and see you soon yeah thank you for having us yeah okay bye thanks everybody bye