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DID and AI Agent Accountability
Recorded: April 10, 2025 Duration: 0:52:15Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion on the future of crypto, participants explored the implications of regulation, the rapid development of AI-driven projects, and the importance of community engagement through innovative strategies. Key topics included the potential for partnerships in decentralized identity and the need for a balance between security and user experience.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and see who's able to join us today.
Sorry. How are you doing today, Billy? Everything good with you?
Yeah, everything is good. Thank you very much. How about you?
I'm good. Extremely busy today, actually. I've been on calls since 9 in the morning, so it is 1 p.m. my time. That's a lot of calls.
Yeah, it definitely sounds like a busy morning. For sure. I think Polaris should be popping in soon.
And then let me see.
I do want to talk about some things that are pertinent, trending, if you will.
Anything, by the way, hopefully let's keep it nonpolitical, but I think these days it's hard to keep it nonpolitical.
Happening or trending
uh in the space that you'd like us to talk about
me specifically yeah um yeah no i i'm not sure if there's anything that's
you know like a highlight that has to be handled there.
I'm not worried about the politics of the day because they're just what they are.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean,
what I say that they have inevitably inevitably come in is because sometimes
it has to do with regulation or things like that,
that we get into it.
And yeah.
Anyways.
Yeah.
We don't,
we don't have to cover just pointing it
out yeah no no they the only thing about the regulations we we know it doesn't exist as of
yet correct which actually that might be an interesting conversation to have um i would
like to hear from you and polaris when he comes up. Oh, I see that he's requested, I think. Yeah.
Regulation. Do you think it's going to be good? Okay. Maybe there's two questions here.
Regulation. Is it good for the industry? And then regulation. Is it good for the market?
Okay. So first of all, hi, Polaris. I hope you're doing well. Barnabas, great to see you.
Hi, Emilio. So what I would like to say is that you just said two things,
but you didn't say anything about humanity.
thing about humanity? I would say the industry is humanity because the industry, one would hope,
but I understand why you would differentiate, is that it is building the ecosystem to make
improvements to the world. It's like saying the internet, is it good for the industry?
Well, the industry makes progress every day and the internet has connected people around the world. The internet has facilitated information, education, access to things that people otherwise wouldn't have in very remote areas, culturally, financial, everything to people around the world.
So I could make the distinction,
but I was thinking of them as one and the same.
So let's talk about it as humanity, if you'd prefer.
Is regulation good for humanity?
I think it would be good I am sort of concerned with the
fact that we're creating AI agents at a pace that seems to be going goofy and
if somebody figures out above that level can they just take overtake all these
agents that people are creating out there willy nilly, much like you create your own Hotmail address,
like my own Hotmail address.
It has its security because it's Microsoft,
but there's no real security beyond that.
So, but I'm, and you're right.
The positives for the technological age that we are entering are just phenomenal.
It's just we have to remember that with the positive come the negatives.
It's sort of the reason I don't join up on some apps because I believe the apps don't regulate enough on their apps to protect enough people.
So I have that concern.
But overall, yes, I totally agree with you
that these things are all going to be beneficial in the end.
This comes back to your whole point of Privacy Hour.
Your identity matters.
We have to be able to act out in the world with our identity
protected, knowing that we are also dealing with somebody who is a real agent and not somebody
who's been created. But this is an interesting thing, actually, at this point, auntie. My nine-year-old grandson, see, he's nine years old.
He created a false, a fake account to get into the Roblox game,
to get in after the kids' parents that were playing the game and harass them, bully them.
the game and harass them, bully them.
Now, the only way I could see that his mother takes charge of a situation like that would
be to, number one, take the damn iPad away, but number two, to actually be aware of what
his history is on the device.
And so I've actually put some things in motion because I want to get at nine years old.
I'm, I want to get a psychological evaluation of what's going on with my grandson.
But this is all relative to that privacy thing.
And if a nine year old can figure out how to do this and I have no idea how to do it at 63, then I'm definitely lost.
and I have no idea how to do it at 63, then I'm definitely lost.
Yeah, 100%. I'm following you there. Definitely to go back, because you said a lot. So to go back
to one of the first things you were talking about in terms of the proliferation of agents. I know that this is something, by the way, that we've covered
here several times, so I love it. Also, GM Polaris, happy to see you up here, and GM everybody else
who's in the audience. I do see a couple of harbingers out there. We have Barnabas, and we have Elisha also in the audience, GM,
is that I think AI,
again, now this is turning to opinion.
This is definitely not, you know,
anything beyond my opinion. I think AI is definitely going to continue
to develop and grow and accelerate.
I think it's almost inevitable at this point
for it to, like the
internet, reach the farthest kind of corners of the world. My hope, and again, this is just my hope,
is that, like the internet, it's able to provide some value to people and to humanity, as we've been discussing.
Also, asterisk or adding here, I was asking regulation good for the industry as far as
crypto is concerned, but happy to talk AI. But this is really kind of like, I think,
what we've talked about in previous conversations is where decentralized identity really shines.
And I've seen, by the way, people starting to talk about that again.
And that makes me very happy because I think DID kind of goes in and out of style where people either can't help but talk a lot about it or people don't talk about it at all.
And I think when I hear people talking about DID is when something new hits the scene,
they're like, how will DID or how can DID be used to solve some of these problems?
And what I think is that DID can be used, and right now it's opt-in.
I would like it to be opt-out for these platforms that are facilitating the design of these agents to assign an identity, not just to the individual agents, but to the people who are creating these agents or accounts
that are creating these agents, to the platforms that are creating these agents,
so that we can have some provenance about the reputation of everyone involved. And
similarly, now I'm kind of drawing a parallel here,
to when there's a food recall because there was an outbreak at a farm,
we know exactly what we need to pull back.
And I think that can facilitate a balance of proliferation
but of accountability at the same time. Now, I know one of the questions
that might come up, and I'll stop here and have whoever wants to go up next speak, but I think
some people, the question that might come from that, and it is also a bias to say that's not good
so who determines what is good what is not so again more questions than answers but
in my response to this idea of like proliferation of agents, I think there might be some answers.
I know people who are interested and curious and building on this as well.
Just to respond to say thank you.
Claris, please speak up.
Barnabas, anybody?
GM, GM, everyone. fun to say thank you uh players please speak up barnabas anybody gm gm everyone and welcome to the privacy hour um interesting uh conversation we've started so this week I've been like, so I've had this project for about four years now,
and I just didn't have the technical skills to like,
you know,
launch that project.
And,
because of the AI agents,
it's funny that like, you know, we kind of like, we've been talking about these things earlier on.
Billy mentioned apps and AI agents.
So it's funny because I can use the AI agents to build an app within five five to six days, you know, an MVP, a minimum, minimal viable product, which is brilliant.
usable so that people who are actually going to be utilizing it can ensure that their information
is secured safely. Also, like as you mentioned, a nine-year-old or someone who's underage shouldn't be able to access that information uh not because it's like you know it's mature content but just that like you know
they should be concentrating on other stuff rather than like you know fitness and stuff
like you know it's designed for adults so i've got a couple of options in terms of web 2 which is that
either host the website and the app through some sort of a AWS
Amazon web services if it kind of like gets traction or from my service provider
who's hosting the app, who's hosting the
domain. But
if I want to quantum proof
it or if I want to make sure that the data
of the users is secure and it's not compromised and due diligence has been done from my side, that is KYC and AML, which is know your customer and anti-money laundering aspects,
then I need to have some sort of either a Web 2 option,
which according to me is not really quantum proof,
or I can go for a Web 3 option, which is ontology or another identity provider but now here's where the
interesting bit comes like because ideally being a web 3 enthusiast i would love to have
incorporating i would love to incorporate digital id uh
digital ID in a decentralized manner.
But then my target audience is just general fitness enthusiasts
who would like to, you know, utilize that app and learn
and all of that stuff which comes with it.
Now, the interesting bit is that if I was to incorporate DID,
then I would need to have an external wallet where the user would have to add some credentials.
And then that needs to be uploaded, saved into a hash onto the blockchain where it becomes quantum proof.
But then it adds an extra lengthy step of validation and in this day and age of
speed we have an issue in terms of like getting people to onboard an application and signing in
using DID so so like if I wanted to like get more on the app, I would have to utilize the Web2 concepts.
But I know that we constantly get hacked and the user details end up getting compromised.
And Ledger, for example, that was a huge security breach and it ended up giving out their addresses.
security breach and it ended up you know giving out their addresses people who ordered ledgers
onto their addresses and people utilize that data and then started robbing people and if I use the
the web3 secure format then I don't get people at all because the sheer amount of users within that industry
and then siphoning those users out
and then creating a niche,
then I would end up having only 10 or 15 users on the app.
So that's the biggest dilemma which I've been dealing with
and I've been trying to find the balance between that.
Now, I mean, we have issues like mentioning like AI agents creating.
You mentioned like, you know, AI agents being created like email addresses.
And what if there's a bigger AI agent which can like take over all of these and then get them to do its its will
that is very that is I'm not sure if it's possible but like we are hitting towards
AGI which is like a general intelligence of AI and it's probably going to be hitting like sentient modes where
it'll be able to like make decisions, protect itself, etc, etc. So it's a bit of a
conundrum here in terms of adaptability, in terms of security and privacy and making sure that you adhere to all the laws
but at the same time the usability accessibility and the sheer amount of users not being present
when you offer privacy and security compared to the models which are already being used,
where maybe they are like, you know, quote unquote secure to a certain degree,
but not secure enough to be able to contain a quantum attack, or they're not quantum proof.
Well, even without quantum proofing, they get hacked.
So you can imagine like, you know, the vulnerabilities of these systems.
So it's a very interesting case study in terms of me trying to achieve something.
And that relates towards the topics which we are discussing.
the topics which we are discussing.
In terms of
regulations,
which you was mentioning,
I mean,
when I was doing my business degree,
we had like this question
where we were talking about stakeholders, shareholders and the actual company itself which offers stakeholders and shareholders.
What I realized from that case study or from those examples I realized that there's different aspects of interests when it comes to stakeholders.
and it usually doesn't align
when it comes to the value of the company
because at the end of the day
if someone's invested in a company
their initial reason for investing in that company
would be to make money out of it
so their opinions are going to be aligned towards making money.
Once I finish, I'll show you how I kind of relate to what we're talking about.
On the other side, we've got the company, which is probably based around passion or
trying to solve a problem.
And for them, the value is trying to solve the problem
rather than making money and then we've got the stake stakeholders which could be both the
shareholders and the company so a government or like organizations which are there to help with the flow of information and
regulation they're kind of in the same conundrum because on one side you've got a populace
and their responsibility is to protect that populace you know so we need to protect that
population so so there are regulations in place in terms of food in terms of how agriculture is
done in terms of pricing and on the other side we've got the users, and they don't necessarily look at it from a collective perspective.
They look at it from an individual perspective,
which would be like, you know, I want to buy my ticket.
I want to, like, you know, grow produce in a non-organic or forward slash organic way,
or I would like to teach my kids at home
or I would like to self-medicate my kids instead of taking them to the doctors
so there's a fine line I think when it comes down to like you know being pro and against regulation there is a reason why regulations are in place and
there is a reason why
the rights of an individual are there as well
and I think the question should be like how do you define that fine line and what are the parameters which are
required for us to establish that and also how much say what percentage of say can an individual have two words regulation
as compared to an organization or a government
which is looking after the well-being of the masses.
So I hope that makes sense.
So I hope that makes sense.
And that's my two cents on it.
And that's my two cents on it.
I think it was more of your $2.
I need to give you a change.
You know, when I don't have a good response,
I always got to get funny or spicy.
No, I appreciate that.
Billy, what do you think? I mean, I know we're covering and hopefully answering some of what was being discussed here and some of the questions maybe that you brought up.
Anything there you want to unpack?
No, I like the way that Polaris is looking at it, I think it's a healthy way.
For me, regulation, maybe it's just because I live where I live in Canada,
but regulation also means law and order.
And law and order has given us one heck of a great world here in Canada.
And so I support that idea.
You don't have to rub it in, Billy.
I get it.
No, I'm proud of my country, obviously, right?
No, I'm just trying to be silly because I'm based out of the U.S.
So I'm like, don't rub it in, buddy.
So that's the end of the regulation.
But I had another thought that I didn't know if you guys want to do the experiment here or on the Discord if you'd like to try it. for myself and my auto ID and then do it in an open format so that others can understand
either how simple or complicated it is unless they're and if there's something that has to
be done behind a curtain so that your my ID is protected that's fine but I'm just wondering
about doing that process out in the open yeah i definitely think that idea of like continuing the
conversation on discord is a good one and definitely if we need to demo because there's
not a good way to do that here i would i would uh highly encourage us to do it i would say
maybe we can think about that as a planned field trip so if you're on this call, we'll go to Discord at 1.45,
and then we'll do a demo through,
and by the way, I'm using my time zone,
so apologies for that.
We'll go to Discord in about 15 minutes,
and then we'll run the demo for about 15 minutes
to the top of the hour, basically,
as long as this space usually takes.
And that way we can finish the conversation here.
So I think this is a good topic, right, that we're hitting on.
And I want to make sure that we are at least trying to get as much value
from the people who are up on the stage right now.
And then definitely inviting everybody to continue that conversation on Discord.
Really good move.
Thanks, Billy.
Appreciate that.
Yeah.
So since the title,
and I feel like we're kind of going back and forth here,
but since the title has changed to
Agents, Accountability, and DID,
I want to bring it back to that again,
because I want to make sure that we're sticking to something
and hopefully through this conversation,
creating value overall to not just the people who are listening,
but maybe someone who's listening and is building something in the space,
recognizes something here.
First of all, I guess I would love to hear from the panel here. What are some of the platforms
that you've seen that are facilitating the proliferation of agents? And do you think
that these companies would be open to integrating DID? Because I think that to me is like, that's
the key. It doesn't happen at the developer level.
It happens at the platform level.
And the reason why I asked this,
just to preface this, I suppose,
with a little bit more context.
Ontology's roadmap has AI and gaming at its center.
Personally, I like to be very opinionated, not just like,
you know, to share my opinion, but by opinionated, I mean, choose a very specific lane and be the
person in that lane who has the most information about that space so that if anybody has any
questions or problems, they come to me and I can help them, right?
And I think Ontology is probably the most opinionated company when it comes to decentralized identity.
I would not second guess that.
I would not second guess that with any other company that exists today, maybe Microsoft.
But I mean, you start seeing the difference in scale for these businesses,
right? So I would say, especially in Web3, the most opinionated company in DID is Ontology,
just because of how long they've been building with it, the number of products that they built
with it. So I want to talk about AI, because I don't think that gaming probably has the most growth opportunity for DID as AI does.
So if we were to make a recommendation as a group to ontology, like focus on AI,
do you think that we can actually make an impact or a dent in this ecosystem by reaching out to these platforms?
So which ones are they and do you think that it would make a difference?
Would they actually integrate it?
Billy, you go first.
Okay, so although I sound like I know what I'm talking about a lot of times,
as salesman, I know I am not.
So this takes somebody that can look at what ontology has, sit down and do explain it to the other platform.
So yeah, there's possibilities there if that's what you're looking for.
And I think that's a good idea.
When you were talking about the AI and the gaming aspect of it, I agree.
Uh, so it's sort of like going from gaming to real life at a certain point where you
say, okay, the games that we're playing at 15 and 16, we might want to still play
them when we're 30, but we have other things in our life that have to take priority.
And sort of, it's okay to reach out to the younger audience to bring them up and lift them up.
But primarily, yes, I agree the conversation should remain about AI and the AI landscape.
So, yeah, 100%.
Awesome. And Polaris, any thoughts? the AI landscape. So yeah, 100%.
Awesome. And Polaris, any thoughts?
I don't necessarily think that
AI agents or like, you know, different organizations which are using AI, they would benefit directly from DID, digital ID, because they're just like an automated service provider which is like giving out.
It's like an AI agent is basically an in helping kids learn and summarize their lectures.
So it's got certain rules it needs to follow. the companies or organizations which are using AI to create value within the industry,
those are the people we need to kind of like approach and they would be more inclined towards using DID
rather than like let's say like if you was to approach DeepSeek
which is like generating different,
it's a powerful AI and you can create an agent
using DeepSeq's artificial intelligence.
And then you tell that agent that whoever integrates
using DeepSeek's API and asks any question, give them the answer
within the relevance of that AI agent. So basically, an AI agent is just a set of rules
within an artificial intelligence. So it can extrapolate on certain information
and let that information flow within that parameter.
But then you've got like specialist apps
which utilize that agent.
So say like someone makes an app called Summerly and that specializes in integrating the sets,
like it summarizes lectures into absorbable content and it's very good at
it's got an amazing ui ux they would be the ones we need to approach to incorporate did but now the target audience. So the target audience in this case,
for this example,
is our kids, 16-year-old, 17-year-olds,
who just want to, you know,
who would just like to get a summary of their lectures
without having to pull a lot of strings.
So to get them to use DID, what incentives?
First of all, the apps would be the ones who would incorporate that.
So if you want to use that app, you just connect your wallet,
upload your details, and you're good to go.
I'm sorry, Polaris, I apologize.
I really do for interrupting you.
But I was just thinking about this, what you just said there about the 16-year-old.
And I'm wondering if it's not the parent of the 16-year-old that you'd be trying to get them to understand
that this would be a great way to protect their 16-year-old.
Yeah, I mean, like, I mean mean there could be so many different reasons which we could
possibly show to the parents uh but it just comes down towards the tech technological gap like you
know you gotta understand like the target audience has got a six second attention span.
They just want to get their stuff done.
They don't really care about the privacy aspect.
And they don't really care about, they just want to connect using Gmail or all of that stuff.
What could possibly work out?
And this is what I was thinking, and this is the solution I came up
with for my app as well was that like give everyone an option and this is where you like
your your recommendation kind of like makes sense as well giving them an option of connecting using digital identity using the blockchain and making sure that their
details are secure and also giving them an option of connecting via google
and then making the onboarding experience so cohesive and so easy that once they start and then once they start like utilizing the application
they've got all these different aspects there now you gotta understand that in order for
did to actually like you know work in this scenario
like you know
work in this scenario
unless
it's like a
black swan
event
for security
and privacy
people will go
for the easiest
option
you know
because this is
how human behavior
is like you know
especially
when we're living
in a
in a time
where your
attention span
is literally
six seconds
because of all
the doom scrolling
having where your attention span is literally six seconds because of all the doom scrolling.
Having positioned ourselves like the way Amazon positioned itself before COVID would be the next move from a business from a business perspective
because
we know for a fact that
the servers
and the way
information is being stored
is secure
but it's definitely
not quantum proof
and the fact that we've got
quantum computing
and computers
on the scene
since December
2024,
these type of
security breaches
are going to happen.
And when it starts becoming the norm
where your security breaches start
happening, at that point, having something along the secure lines of cryptographic hash would make complete sense.
to that level where we can just go to the masses and explain to them that look this is going to be
secure for them because by the time you explain to them you'll be able to convert one person in
three hours and at that rate we'll only be able to get like not many people compared to the
billions of people living on planet earth so for this thing to be scaled and be able to be scalable, we would definitely need to prepare ourselves
for that event where the need for privacy and securing your data becomes an essential
component of your online ventures.
I don't think that we have hit that aspect yet hopefully we
don't see that black swan event where you know we end up having to lose all
our data stored on AWS or whichever servers it's being stored on because that would be catastrophic
businesses, for
governments, etc.
But at the same time
having something in place
example
Amazon and COVID
would
position
us in we would be in a prime position to be able to utilize that technology
and also soft shell it along the way as we are positioning ourselves so if i was like say ontology
i would be i should be focusing on these aspects and positioning ourselves.
And hopefully we can get people to utilize that without that black swan event happening. But again, human nature, target audience.
I think these are very important aspects which we should consider because in business, if you don't know your clientele, if you don't know your target audience, then you're literally wasting your energy.
And you could possibly streamline that energy and be more productive by creating an excellent sequence, which kind of like connects towards how the target audience reacts as well.
So that would be my $5 there.
Oh, Polaris, for sure. Love it. I appreciate your very lengthy
answers because it just goes to show that you're very thoughtful
about you give strong consideration to everything that
you are discussing here, which obviously is one of the reasons
why we love having you.
Well, it's field trip time, everybody.
I would say if you are not yet
on the Ontology Discord,
then go to the Ontology X account here,
go to the profile,
that's the host of this event.
And click on the link tree, right?
So that's under the linked bio.
And then check out the Ontology Discord server link there and go to the Ontology Discord.
And you might have to go through some, you know, captcha just to make sure that you're human.
Would be cool.
That was DID and integrated with Anto.
But, you know, it's Discord.
It doesn't have that type of integration yet.
Go ahead and join us.
And then Billy, I assume you will be demoing something there or will it be Polaris?
I have no idea.
I just want to try and get my DID,
my Decentralized Individual Identification.
Is that the idea?
I've already signed up to Ontology.
I need to sign up to Ontology ID
and get my Onto so i thought maybe okay okay
so i thought maybe i misunderstood okay so if we can't do that process in the open that way then
then that's okay i can write about my experience back here on twitter or x sorry whatever you know
what i mean yeah so yeah no of course i still call it twitter it's fine so okay so let's
let's do that because yeah i'd like to explore a little bit of what pedlaris was talking about
yeah okay so to make this very simple and maybe we can schedule this later in the week or we're
thursday already geez where does the time go um we could probably schedule this early next week
we'll uh reconvene and maybe do something on discord on monday i'll talk to jeff because i
know that he's leading that effort over there um what we could do is schedule a walkthrough or
maybe a presentation of did on the discord and then explore it and how it works on Onto.
But to get started, literally the easiest way to get started is you go to your app store
and you download Onto.
I'm going to go to my app store right now just to double check and make sure that nothing
has changed.
Go to the app store or the play store if you're using android and search for onto.app let me see if that pulls it
up oh my god that does not pull it up onto app oh you know what no onto wallet what am i doing
onto wallet yep there it goes and it's the first result and then just go ahead and download that
i'm doing that right now because i have a new phone so i haven't downloaded it here so thanks
for reminding me that was
okay no and then here you get the first prompt to either create or import a wallet. I would not import anything, even if you have another wallet already,
because it is at this point when you create a wallet
that you'll get the notification or the window that says
you can create an OntiD multi-chain wallet with this procedure.
And that's really the magic of ONTO,
is that as opposed to most wallets
that create this multi-chain identity
using a private key that has different identities
or kind of, yeah, different identities across different chains,
ONTO wallet, on the front end, like on the back end, firstly creates a DID for you.
And then associates these multi-chain identities to this DID.
Meaning that when you create a wallet, you automatically have this universal identity that works across blockchains and non-onchain ecosystems directly from onto.
Then the question is, okay, how do I use this?
Well, like any DID, it's a matter of implementation or how far is this distributed.
OntID is, and I don't think that this is news for anybody here, the most widely distributed
did spec because it is now on H-chains and we're continuing to implement more and more
every day.
So I would definitely recommend everyone doing that now.
And then I'll talk to Jeff for next week.
Yeah, I see people I'm meeting and hands going up.
So just hang on.
I'll talk to Jeff next week then to go ahead
and schedule a more in-depth conversation
about DID, OntoWallet, and its applications.
Okay, go ahead, Billy.
I saw you were unmuting there before.
Sorry, excuse me.
I didn't mean to interrupt you.
I just was looking at the...
I entered Ontology Wallet in the Play Store,
and it says Ontology Foundation Limited limited that's the one i want
let me go back to the app store to make sure because it says i it says onto cross-chain
crypto wallet and then just below it it says ontario ontology foundation limited yes correct
so when when i when i when i go on the app store because again i don't have
android so i'm looking at the app store though for apple it says onto cross-chain crypto dot dot
so it doesn't show me the whole thing right below it a multi-chain digital wallet and then the
developer's name is ontology foundation okay i'm installing it okay cool cool Okay, cool. Cool. Okay, sorry, I'll get off the line.
No worries.
No, this is fun.
I love being able to onboard someone to something like OntoWallet.
For me, honestly, when I joined Ontology, the thing I was most bullish about was OntoWallet because of how easy it makes this whole process. You don't have to go
and download a different app that creates a DID for you. And then you have to bind your wallets
by binding, by the way, is just a very kind of geeky way of saying it connects your wallets on
Ethereum, on Bitcoin, like all of these wallets onto your universal ID,
which is like Ant ID.
It just does it automatically at the point of creation.
Solaris, you were raising your hand, buddy.
What's up?
Yeah, I was going to say that we could do a really fun exercise
for the whole community, really.
Like, you know, maybe like speak to Jeff about this,
that using AI agents create a video on how to, you know, onboard,
how to like download the Onto Wallet and like set it up.
Basically exactly what Billy was saying.
And then we can like have a little competition
where maybe the best video kind of like gets,
I don't know, 100 ONG or something like that.
And we can like tag Ontology once someone makes that video.
And I think that would be a fun way of engaging with the community.
At the same time, it's going to be informative. And at the same time,
it'll get the word across as well. So it's kind of like hitting three different things in one go.
Maybe let's look into that as well.
Yes, sir.
All righty.
Yeah, and so I'm going to reach out to Jeff.
I thought he was going to jump on here.
I think he's been traveling for Paris Blockchain Week.
So, excuse me, that might be the reason why he's not here.
I just didn't see him saying that he wasn't going to be here,
so I was a little surprised.
I will,
I will go ahead and,
sorry,
I will go ahead and reach out in the channel,
but for now,
sign us off,
buddy.
Amazing conversation.
Thanks,
Billy,
for joining us and everyone else.
Barnabas,
Dylan,
first,
Ginola,
and Humpty, and Anthology. Thank you much uh for giving us the platform to discuss these
emerging technologies and brainstorming on different ideas i hope you have a fantastic
week ahead of you make sure to like look after your mind, your body, do some exercise, touch some grass,
and see you next week, I guess. Adios. Bye everybody. Thank you.
