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Doge IP Decoded & Wu-Tang Lore Unleashed ✨
Recorded: July 24, 2025 Duration: 1:05:23Space Recording
Short Summary
In a groundbreaking episode of Woof Weekly, OwnTheDoge announces a strategic partnership with BicDAO to enhance the value of meme NFTs, while unveiling exclusive insights into the Doge IP and Wu-Tang lore, signaling a new era of cultural preservation and monetization in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
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Love that song.
Well, it's great to have everyone here.
Welcome to our episode of the Woof Weekly.
We're getting really close to the 200th episode,
and today we're going to discuss the Doge IP decoded and never-before-heard Wu-Tang lore
unleashed by the amazing Matt Matkov, our lead general counsel. Really excited for this episode.
Make sure that you like and share the space. And let's get into it.
We only have Matt for the first 30 minutes,
so I want to make sure we get to ask some awesome questions today.
Yo, yo.
Thanks for having me.
Where is that song from, Smoke?
That is a Bass Jackers song that was kind of set up by PleaserDAO.
We have heard of them.
I knew I had heard that before.
I love Marlon.
I love them.
Yeah, absolutely amazing song.
Well, it's great to have you here, Matt.
We have some exciting questions for you today.
Snacks, you want to start us off?
Yeah.
You're diving right in.
What's up, Matt?
What's up, Matt?
Well, let's start with you, Matt.
Who are you?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I'm not allowed to just be an anonymous character on the internet.
What's your address?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Give me all of your information and your wallet address.
Suboines on the way.
Are required.
Are always required for all our guests we ask mother's maiden name social security
number we keep them all it's really important no i appreciate it it's funny because i i do really
none of these and i get asked to do them all the time in from many different you know not just
crypto related but i was i previously have represented some interesting characters. And so I just generally say no to all of this stuff.
I'm a lawyer.
I'm a guy that's from Philadelphia, went to law school in Syracuse.
I had my own practice back in Philly for about 10 or 12 years.
When Kobe Bryant retired from the NBA,
I started getting questions about structural setup and IP protection and
portfolio management licensing, which went from, you know, hey, why don't you come out and spend
some time going over this with me in LA to why don't you serve as general counsel and head of
licensing and move your family out. I took that position and did that for
several years. And that kind of led me into a Steph Curry funded convertible clothing company.
And during this time, I kind of was contemplating next steps. I had frankly gone in-house with Kobe
because I was somewhat tired of my old larger practice.
And as I tried to figure out where am I going from here,
two things happened.
One, my clients didn't really believe I stopped,
and so no one stopped calling me.
And two, I met a guy named Jameis Johnson through a different mutual client.
And he said, you should come work at Pleaser Dell.
How about if we pay you in crypto and would you
help us get the wu-tang album and the only thing i heard out of that was wu-tang album i i there was
there was there was no other part to that i said jamis i'm driving around newport beach in my
ferrari i don't really know about being paid in crypto or working for pleaser dell but the wu-tang
album sounds wildly incredible and that was kind of how I got more onboarded into the crypto side of things.
I had been playing with it before, but not really in the same sense.
And that opened up a whole new world and a realization that my voice is actually my money
and how often it is that that voice gets taken away and the
rock star group that was Pleaser Dell and so that's kind of been the that's
kind of been the journey at this point I specialize in representing high net
worth individuals and founders building things usually having to deal with some
type of IP portfolio or other tech or finance product. And, you know, usually catching them from the ground when they're sick,
having to deal with typical attorneys and want to dump someone into their
telegram build session so they don't have to deal with the back and forth.
So that's me.
Oh, and also as a Philadelphian, go birds.
the philadelphian go birds there we go go birds
There we go.
Go birds.
okay so you've taken you took an interesting track through like the professional
sports world and then got into ip that way like you were what you were like putting kobe's face
on wheaties no kobe had a whole um team that was kind of doing that. And Rob was responsible for more of those deals.
But when he branched off and started Granity Studios and he actually was creating his own productions, I was responsible for all the legal behind them.
And sometimes that did morph into some of his other personal ventures and licensing.
But at that point, he was retired from or leaving the Lakers.
And so it wasn't as much as the playing days as it was what came after that.
Yeah. And if we can get Kabosu on Wheaties, we'll have our people talk to.
Anyway, so you got into crypto you got into, you got into crypto.
What was your first crypto transaction?
That's funny.
My, my first crypto transaction, probably similar to a lot of other people was someone
trying to get me involved and so much trying to get me involved that they said, look, I'm
just going to send you a couple hundred dollars to lose so you can you can play around with this and I did just just that
promptly lost a lost a couple hundred dollars um playing playing around shout out to Zach Park um
for for getting me onboarded and then for you know a little bit of time kind of just played without
the knowledge as everyone starts.
And then started to meet some people that gave me a little bit better insight into what was going on.
Lost money in crypto, one of us.
I like it. Welcome to the club.
Yes, I have a question for you, Matt.
In what ways would you say that IP can impact crypto in the meme coin industry as a whole?
And I say this to lots of people.
You guys are entitled to your own financial system.
Period.
End of story.
You are.
You're not entitled to your own intellectual property system.
You're just not.
And until we get to a place where creator rights are actually respected on chain, you
won't get the Web2 world to dive in in a creative way outside of tech and finance.
You just won't. Because too much money has been spent in controlling the entire system and so until everyone gets clear with
what the creator rights are what people are entitled to when they build something create
something set something down for more than a tangible duration use something whatever um i
think it's really really hard for the industry to move forward.
And I think you watch that, right?
You watch that with whether it's music related tokens, whether it's entertainment related
platforms that try to like go popcorn to platform.
And it's just a real difficulty of attracting users.
And so that system kind of has to be more specifically set out. And
there certainly have been people that are trying, right, Story Protocol and others. But
until that system is as specific as the financial aspects, I think there's going to be a difficulty.
Wow, amazing answer.
so so far in this ecosystem right we've had a lot of memes blow up and maybe like the uh like the
story with pepe and matt fury you know where the original creator starts to feel like really left
out um left out taking advantage of hey why don't i get to control the thing that i created at all and how is it being used for something i would never use it for yeah exactly so are there other examples
we should be aware of where this has happened are you know when when people in um you know maybe more
mainstream like la hollywood kind of circles think about this stuff? What are they, are they seeing this stuff and being like,
wow,
like what a mess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean,
I think maybe two different questions,
you know,
in terms of other examples,
I think it's almost inverted.
There are just not enough positive examples of IP ownership and honoring
intellectual property rights of creators. So it's not about
like, well, where else has this happened? But it's like, where are creators actually receiving
rights? I mean, even the projects that have said that they're giving creator rights, when you kind
of dig into the terms of service and what people actually get, it's not really either full copyright or transfer ability to use in in all situations
so you know um i think more as a as a general um there there just needs to be more linkage between
the creator and and what happens um and that's that's really going to take monetization by
platforms that are you know that are actually desiring that to that to occur as opposed
to like value accrual back to the token that doesn't kind of represent the general project
at all.
In terms of how outsiders look at this, man, I think most people look at the ecosystem
and if you're not actually involved in it just have a lot of of fear-based um questions
and i think that that will that will stay consistent until there's and i don't want to call
it regulation but you know more of an understanding of what's acceptable and what's not i mean if you
take the own the doge ip as a as a great example um if you look at nero and kokoro and you just think about
those two examples of of tokens you know what what are they they're dogs that are owned by otsco
um what what happens an image was taken and before before the paint dried it got stolen repurposed and put out as if as if it was owned um and i
think that's the that's like the primary thing that has to be prevented and preventable and as
you have multiple layers right now in the ecosystem a lot of which are decentralized and don't have
mechanisms by which you can remove things take them down and assert your rights, you encounter an issue that needs to be resolved.
And frankly, it's good that these protocols like STORY are working on that because it
does allow for the potential for resolution.
But practically speaking, kind of hard to send a cease and desist to anyone that cares
at a sex.
And until that kind of thing is resolved somewhat,
just difficult to kind of onboard the rest of the world.
And you say the rest of the world,
and I feel like that's an important part of this.
I mean, crypto is this global thing.
So how does law work when someone in any country on Earth, right, is launching something, doing something?
How do we navigate?
Like, how does that even work?
Yeah, I mean, that's a great question.
And the interesting part about it is the majority of it has already been resolved. You know, the United States and other countries have systems in place in order to classify different types of intellectual
property and the rights that you're entitled to. And a lot of these jurisdictions have entered into
agreements whereby the intellectual property actually gets protected cross-border,
and everyone knows the same set of rules or plays knows the set of the same set of rules
or applies plays by a version of the same set of rules there are of course jurisdictions where that
is different where it's first to file and and you know where where it's more about whoever does it
first and registers it can can actually assert the rights and so you start thinking about china and
other places where celebrities have lost their their names because someone else has filed it.
But in large part, there are already rules that are existing.
And to the extent that you're in the U.S. and you're using some type of mark and you're the first one to use it and it's associated with your brand, you hold a trademark.
And you're entitled to enforce it to the extent that you're in the U.S. and you have creative work.
And you've set that forth for more than a tangible medium, for more than a short duration.
You have a potential copyright.
And you're entitled to protect it and dictate its use.
And if you're targeting the U.S. and you're using someone else's thing, then there's a rule against that.
And you can go after someone for that.
So really, it's about using the existing ecosystem rules.
The problem comes that so many users of our ecosystem are anonymous.
And so then there becomes an issue of like, well, how do you actually figure out who's doing what?
And there's a desire by some
of these people to kind of not be figured out because that's simpler right and so that's the
kind of thing that you're just going to need you have to stick their hand in their laptop
before they close it at the library that's that's that's it would probably be good functionality to implement for anyone who doesn't know i'm pretty
sure that's how ross was uh was caught anyway i can't speak on that one because we've had some
we've had some dealings with the with the fat with the family but was nice to see him him out and about. Yes, free Ross.
Well, he's free now.
Can we, Ross is free, that's what we say, I guess.
So we talked about own the Doge and Nero and CoCro
and you've, I think, done some legal work for us around those.
Can you tell us about the legal structure
and like how you treat this IP?
Yeah, I mean, generally, absolutely. I don't want to get into too many specifics, but generally.
Yeah, like for someone who's like, what's a lawyer?
I love it. The first answer is not something that you want to do, go the other direction.
A pain in the ass maybe would be the second answer. So look, the own the Doge intellectual property is based on a couple of
different things. The first is PleaserDAO acquiring the original Doge image for $4 million back in
2021, and then subsequently building a very strong relationship with both Tristan and Tridog and Smoke,
who've continued that relationship.
And as a result of that relationship,
Matsuko has granted exclusive licensing rights to Onidoche.
And so what that means is relative to not only Misato and her name image likeness,
but also to the images of the underlying memes themselves,
the actual images of the dogs that were taken and propagated online and on chain.
Own the Doge has the right to commercialize and to protect
and to prevent others from using and to enter into agreements
for the use of that intellectual property.
And in conjunction with that, On The Doge has filed copyrights for the various images
and trademarks for various terms that they use and is out in the ecosystem kind of aggressively
attempting to push these memes forward, really because there's an underlying belief of goodness,
which is what I was attracted to this, you know, in the beginning from.
The magic of PleaserDAO was always that you had a bunch of people that had tons of money that had built the ecosystem
within which we were playing, but all wanted to do good.
Yeah, they wanted to make money.
Yeah, they wanted to have personal achievements,
but there was always this change.
Do only good every day that OTD has. Do only good every day.
And the fact that OTD has, you know, continued that and is attempting to proliferate that, I think, is is a huge aspect of why Otsco wanted those rights to, you know, to be held by and managed by OTD. So at this point, that's pretty much the entire basket of rights that exists. There's obviously some specific items outside of,
but most of it's inclusive within what OTD is entitled to manage and negotiate.
That's amazing. I know we have a limited time, so I want to also pivot over to
the Wu-Tang Clan. I know a lot of people are excited to hear about this story about how
the Wu-Tang Clan album, the unreleased album, was acquired by Pleaser,
facilitated by you, and some stories behind that.
Yeah, yeah. God, it feels like almost a different lifetime. Well, I think, as everyone knows, Pleaser acquired the underlying music several years ago in a transaction with the government, where Jameis Johnson brought home the actual CD that Pleaser Dow has, which I grew up on.
RZA is an absolute genius.
Ray is one of my favorite artists.
Shout out to his new album that just released.
Same with Ghost, one of my favorite artists.
To have the ability to be in the room and listen to this has been, is wildly incredible. And I always thought that
as we got into it, there would be an ability to do more with it. And it really did turn into a
very difficult process of, okay, we own certain rights in this and kind of how do we respect
everyone while still attempting to commercialize. And so what you saw last year,
or I guess a year and a half ago, was Pleaser kind of take the next steps to do that.
When I took over as lead for Pleaser, which I recently stepped down as, but I held that position
for almost two years, one of the first goals was to see whether
there was any other rights available. And look, this happens in crypto a lot, right? Move fast,
break things, buy something, and then backfill around it. And so one of the questions was,
can we backfill around it? I mean, it's similar to OTD's rights that weren't initially acquired,
but were acquired based on the relationship afterwards. And so we got to a point where there was some additional rights where we felt good about being able to acquire, and and we ultimately acquired the underlying, I don't want to say the entire, because this is subject to the band's rights and to writers' share and publishers' share of the album.
But we acquired a significant bundle of rights and put ourselves into a little bit of a different position where we were able to ask this question of what does music mean?
And that was essentially the project that we released.
We had a sampler from the album, and we sold tokens related to that sampler.
And we said to the public, we're happy to release this,
but you're going to have to buy a certain amount of tokens,
mainly to see, is there even appetite for this?
And it was very, very interesting in that there was a ton of appetite.
It was probably during a time in the market where it was a little bit more difficult than other times.
But it did not equal the amount of funding necessary to release the entire album, which put us into quite an interesting position.
We have a significant amount of rights and were able to play with them, but didn't get the question answered affirmatively,
does money equal the ability to release?
And so then kind of went back to the drawing board on exactly what are we going to do?
of went back to the drawing board on exactly what are we going to do um that led us to putting on
some public shows in order to bring the public more into it which we did in new york and taipei
and some other places and it also it also led us to that you know that that token launch um at this
point the pleaser dao team has been kind of working tirelessly with Wu-Tang's people in order to
figure out whether or not there's some synergistic approach to this over the next period of time.
And while I can't specifically comment on kind of the underlying legal aspects of that,
because it's going to bring in some of the legal negotiations. What I can say is the arc here has been more rights,
more music released.
And the,
the album is one of the best that,
and you know,
I say this,
you guys can listen to the sampler and decide for yourself.
But in my opinion,
one of the best that was ever put together by,
by, by the Klan.
And I understand that there's some back and forth over kind of appreciation and feelings, but from the perspective of just what the verses are in the final album, how completely
talented the members are who appear and the music that is, you know, set down by RZA and kind of molded by Civil Rings,
just really, really an incredible body of work. There's 31 tracks on there. I don't think ever
there will be a release plan for 31 tracks, but I would certainly envision there being a possibility
of the public hearing more than what they have already heard. And all I can tell you is every time I let anyone hear it whatsoever,
I just get jaws dropped.
People can't believe that it's actually as good as it is.
So, you know, the lore sums up into there's this incredible piece of art
that we've got our hands on.
But, you know, like everything else,
Pleaser isn't really about just making money.
We're about preserving the culture. And so for us, this needs to be done in the right way,
at the right time, with the right people on the right platform. And I would say that we're
closer than ever to kind of achieving what that would look like. We're not fully there yet.
And I don't kind of want to give away what the next steps might be.
Okay.
That's some good alpha.
Yeah.
Really exciting stuff of how, you know,
how that all happened and went down and the prolific Wu-Tang clan kind of
being a centerpiece item that was collected during that time, of course,
alongside the Doge NFT.
Ultron, did you have any questions?
That was like my biggest question there.
But just to follow up on it, I know you don't have a ton of time left.
But I mean, Wu-Tang is an essential, incredibly influential group in the history of hip hop.
To have this piece of art
that the world really has not been able to experience yet. This is like a grail. At the
BIC, we talk about finding artifacts, culturally significant internet artifacts. The Forbidden
Wu-Tang album is all of that. So just from what I'm'm hearing i know that you can't give too much but
are we going to get to hear this are is everyone going to be able to experience this does wu-tang
really want to see this released the lore here is incredible how it went from martin shrelly and
everything that happened with him to pleaser but does wu-tang want to see this release because
just as a piece of art i feel like everyone really deserves to be able to hear this.
Yeah, it's so hard for me.
Because as a lover of Wu,
I mean, you know, RZA,
it's like, how do you even describe?
I don't know if it's just like a crazy artistic talent
or like lack of knowledge that gets you
like you know 10 people with no hook on a song but the stuff that he was doing was never was
never done before and this this album definitely continues that there's actually like sequel songs
on this on this album like rainy days too there's like you know new songs based on old works um i think that
it's both terrible that more of the public hasn't heard it because it is so good that um to to not
hear it you really are jamis used to describe it as when he had to put it away it was this weird
feeling because it was like you can't just go to your phone and access this. And then the fact that it was
so incredible when you're listening to it, it's almost like a religious weird experience.
But simultaneously, a lot of the, it's a grail, how exciting it is, is because we haven't
commercialized it or it hasn't been widely
released. And let's not forget that this is a statement piece, right? The statement here is that
the labels and the industry stopped paying the artists and the artists decided, well, screw it.
If I'm going to put my name on this and I'm going to work on it, I at least should get paid.
Let's auction it off to the highest bidder. It created scarcity and rarity, which is really important in building value.
And so now you have an issue. What do you do? Do you keep the scarcity of this? Do you keep
the rarity or do you release it to the public and let everyone hear this great work of art?
And I have always thought, and this is not my decision to make, but I've always thought that
part of this should always be retained in secret. There 31 tracks in this album there's no need for the
world to hear for the world to hear all of them quite frankly um they should have to dream about
how incredible some of them are but there's some there's some others that it's hard to imagine
that certain woo heads and die hard fans wouldn't get the shot to listen to him so
frankly uh higher pay grade decision than than me um and we'll have to see kind of what ultimately
happens um either way there's so much value that's created whether you keep it quiet and it's the
mona lisa that hangs on someone's, and that's where the value is,
or whether you release it and everyone gets to experience it,
it really is just a play on this very old question
of who should get paid for the art,
and where does the value accrue?
I think it's so interesting because, in a way,
because that's what they wanted to do,
and as you mentioned, as a statement
about the music industry in general, that's very interesting. On the other wanted to do and as you mentioned as a statement about the
music industry in general that's very interesting on the other side of that like you mentioned this
is like this is like having the mona lisa but only certain people can see it you know like this is a
seminal piece of art this is an incredible this is music history um there's really like when you
think about like in the history of music and the things that are out there that people haven't seen
i mean this is like the grail piece or i haven't heard i guess because it's music
this is like the grail piece if you love hip-hop to know that there is another wu-tang album out
there that exists it's it it's so painful like art should be and you know like because at the
same time you understand the thinking behind it but the other time it's like art should be At the same time you understand The thinking behind it but at the other time it's like
Art should be shared right like you want
Everyone to be able to hear this
To be able to hear this important music
Imagine if there was like a lost Michael Jackson album
That none of us could hear right
I mean like that would be
People would be searching the world for that
Right and this is the same thing for hip hop
Yeah the reality is there is
Right I mean Jay Often says like the greatest line you never heard Is the stuff I didn't for that right and this is the same thing for hip-hop yeah the reality is there is right i mean
jay jay often says like the greatest line you never heard is the stuff i didn't spit that's not
on the album um i think that people underestimate how great these artists are um it was an experience
i i had uh growing up with kobe where you would watch just normal moments and they were just magic
it was like how did that just did that just happen i can't believe was that just witness five Kobe where you would watch just normal moments and they were just magic.
It was like, how did that just, did that just happen?
I can't believe, would that just witness five half court hook shots in a row?
Is this normal?
This can't be normal, right?
This doesn't.
And so you, you, sometimes it's easy to forget how great these artists and entertainers actually are.
And it's, it's easy to forget that there's probably tons of quote unquote
grail albums, right? I mean, if you look at some of the hip hop artists these days,
like look at J Cole, who was an incredible talent, but after he makes it, you know,
what gets really popular the first two more mixtape albums that are like wildly good,
to more mixtape albums that are like wildly good,
but no one pays attention to, right?
Until there's a name.
So I think what it might say is
maybe we don't recognize how great artists are in general
and we're not on the lookout for new art.
We're really attracted to like celebrity
and what everyone else likes.
And I think that my push here would be
there is so much great talent and great art out
there that what you just said applies to so many different artists and there are unreleased i am
sure i don't know michael but there are unreleased many many different people have unreleased things
where you know it comes out of the woodwork and people kind of kind of stand and all i think this
is probably more common you got an industry that doesn't always push things forward, that buries things, that doesn't always release things.
You got people doing that independently.
I can't even imagine the amount of things we haven't heard that we would lose our minds at.
That is probably true.
Oh, it's certainly true.
But this, you know know we talk about provenance
a lot here and why these things have value and the story attached to these things making them
so legendary when it comes to music like i think this album specifically just checks all those
boxes like i am just enthralled by the entire story with the wu-tang album why they created it
the lore behind it going from mart Martin Shkreli and all the excess
and the things that he was doing,
really to the hands of Pleaser and that entire story
and why I think it's just incredible lore.
And it gives this album almost like a mythical,
just mythical lore and mythical presence.
It's an incredible thing.
It's an incredible thing.
I would love to see more of it.
I would love to see more of it.
I can't wait to see what you guys do with it.
We plan to send Ultron to kind of get the word across,
but we need to hear this.
We need to hear this thing.
Yeah, yeah.
It sounds like Ultron definitely needs to hear it.
I feel like he should have been at one of these events.
Yes, that's what he wanted.
That's what this is all about.
The more people appreciate it, the more exciting it is.
I mean, in the New York event, people were in tears like there was like people were wildly excited
shaking my hand for no well thank you so like i didn't do anything here i'm standing same as you
are listening to this the level of excitement was was wild so i i definitely look i mean they're one
of the greatest artists of all time it's like the rolling stones having an unreleased album it's michael jordan coming back to play a game you know in his prime it's um it's a little a little wild
i get it absolutely true i mean it's it's it's an incredible incredible thing and if you love hip-hop
like if you really love it um this is i mean this is a grail piece it's an incredible thing
I've heard a little bit of it
I've heard a very little bit of it
in very bad quality
but I've heard some of it, I thought it was phenomenal
and I came away from that just feeling like
I would love for everyone to be able to hear this
because this is an essential piece of art
if you love hip hop
another Wu-Tang album that's out there
it's just an incredible thing and it just captures
the imagination well I'll be I'm gonna be honest I listened to Ray's album um over the last week
I was kind of blown away by how great he still is just just wild he feels like he's just getting
getting better with age and so look like I said the the the um arc of this has been more not less
and so my hope is that there's a world in which that, you know,
these kind of new releases maybe dovetail into some type of a release on this
or some type of a continuation of the project.
Don't want to kind of give more than that
because I think that there's some exciting things still to come.
That is amazing.
Yeah, I don't want to squeeze anything out of you that you shouldn't say, but I am incredibly
excited about it.
I appreciate you coming on and talking about it.
Yeah, we should get you.
I mean, we still do have events where for the members or for others, we did a private
event in London this year.
We did a private event in Taipei with the 101 Tower.
And so, you know, the definitely between you and I,
the next time we do one of them, you should you should come and listen. The love in your voice
is obvious. And that's my favorite thing is kind of watching that as people are just in complete
shock at how great it actually is. I would love that. I appreciate that. I would love to hear it.
Like I said, I am just enthralled by the entire story.
The idea that there is unheard Wu-Tang tracks out there is just an incredible thing.
Love it.
Absolutely.
Ultron is there.
We need to get Ultron ASAP to listen to this album somehow, someway.
I know some members were very, very lucky they were able to attend the Londonon event we have at least one of them in the audience uh really exciting stuff and the lore
you can't beat it uh you know i think it builds so much tension and interest to have something that
you can't have right away in a world where everything is given to you right away uh so i
think that's an essential part of the story is this process of unfolding this secret and what's yet to come.
So it's incredibly exciting stuff.
And thank you, Matt, for coming today.
We really appreciate it.
Hopefully we can do a V2 of this and get to hear even more about the amazing experiences that you've had working in IP.
I know you work with us all the time for Doge, and we would not be where we are without you in any way.
And just so happy to have you on and to tell the story. Well, I appreciate it. I got to run in a second, but if you don't mind, I just would like to say, Smoke, I really appreciate you.
It's been a, look, what we're talking about here is the structure within which intellectual
property fits and sits on chain and otherwise. And there's a few people that are working hard
on this. And you're one of them. The dog intellectual property, the relationship with
talent like Otsuko, the ability to bring that to market and commercialize and flow that value back to the token holders is something that is an
untapped, unlimited potential market. There is so much, not just money there, but also ability to
build brand and to bring people together. And what you and OTT have done is kind of make this real in a world that it's not easy to make it real.
And I've watched that over time.
And now we're getting to the point where, and I hope you don't mind disclosing this, but we get a ton of inbound interest, right?
License this, do this.
How can we work together?
What can we do?
And that's a sole result of you and the team kind of building this forward.
And it never happens quickly
enough, right? No one's ever happy with how quickly the progress happens. But the reality is over the
last couple of years, there's been some significant movement here, not just dog and what the market
reaction has been to some of the movements with that, but with Kokoro, with Nero and others,
your relationship with others. And, you know,
watching this, this is the way that it should get done. And this is what needs to happen for the
industry to move forward and have there be some symbiotic relationship between creators,
intellectual property rights, Web3 and Web2 builders and enterprises. So really appreciate
being a part of this and getting to be a part of your
journey. And, you know,
want to note this is largely because people like you are pushing this.
Wow. I don't know what to say. Just thank you so much.
And I feel the exact same way about you.
So we're incredibly lucky to have you and we hope to have you for many,
many years to come standing by our side while we bring Doge,
Kokoro, Nero across the world thank you so much
for coming i appreciate you guys talk to you soon bye thank you matt amazing what's so interesting
the whole thing is so interesting too and like when you think about what is the value of music
in a world with spotify right and how does does that change? What is the value really?
And I think you look at some of these artists
and the way that they're just taken advantage of
in the modern music industry.
We see that constantly.
And this is kind of a fight against that.
And it was kind of a statement
that Wu-Tang was making a very long time ago.
And it is more relevant now
than it even was then when they did this.
But at the same time,
you battle that with the other side of this is that this is an incredible piece of art.
It's like keeping the Mona Lisa to a private viewing area, right?
And, you know, and what people would feel about that.
It's like, you know, incredible art should be shared, but the artist should also be valued.
And where is the give and take there?
It makes this
so interesting. And when you look at the lore behind this, whether, you know, it went from
Martin Shkreli and all the controversy that he was in, it kind of becomes that. And when you talk
about just how provenance plays into the value of artifacts, whether it's an autograph by somebody famous, whether it's a painting, whatever it is.
I mean, this story gives this incredible value,
not just because it's one of the greatest groups ever in hip hop,
but the story behind it and the journey that it has had
is just an incredible thing.
I'm just so like, i love all the lore behind this
for us to be so close to it the way we are is very very cool and i would absolutely love
to be able to hear this i should have asked him too because two of my friends were invited to
this party thalix and path were both invited to this party but i was not that's what this is all about i that's what i now you guys know this is
why i'm here that's really the information i needed why was i not invited to the party no so
what happened was and if you guys remember back in the days when they dropped that awesome and
very innovative nft collection if you collected x amount and you happened to be in the general area of a party,
you were going to be green-lighted to go.
So two of our very amazing team members,
Path, of course, we all know,
and Valix had the opportunity to go,
once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,
listen to this album,
something both myself, Ultron,
others here on the stage were stripped of
and have not had the same luxury. But I believe that one day we will, Ultron, others here on the stage were stripped of and have not had the same luxury.
But I believe that one day we will, in fact, listen to this because I know for sure that New York is a possibility again.
You know, some different East Coast spots, Boston, who knows?
I'm sure this album is going to come to life again.
I just have a gut feeling.
And I think that's why maybe we couldn't hear too much because there's something cooking and we're just gonna have to wait wait so i didn't get it invited because i'm poor
i thought it was yes that was i'm not supposed to say i'm poor
oh see i had a feeling that was the reason i had a feeling that was the reason
no that's so funny though but yeah but anyway thank you guys so much this has been so cool
i have a post i want to drop we have an amazing announcement we want to make i'm a little afraid
i'm gonna rug the space if i do rug the space i apologize in advance um but if anyone wants to
take the mic maybe talk about some updates talk about some stuff and i can go ahead and get this
post ready to drop for this incredible announcement that we want to make today.
For sure.
Let me hop in with some updates.
Let's do the PO-OP first, because I'm sure there's some people out here just eager to enter in that secret phrase.
So this week it will be...
Woo-Doge-Clan So W-U-D-O-G-E-C-L-A-N
As in Nancy.
Woo-Doge-Clan
I was kind of slow today, I gotta say.
You were closed in? No, I was slow. I was slow today, I gotta say. You were closed in?
No, I was slow.
I was slow to mint.
Yeah.
But I'm still the only one that minted.
Phew, come on, everybody.
I'm still thinking about that invite to hear the album.
I feel like that was kind of a soft commitment from Matt there. I feel like I got at least a soft commitment there. I think I'm still thinking about that invite to hear the album. I feel like that was kind of a soft commitment from Matt there.
I feel like I got at least a soft commitment there.
I think I'm in.
I feel like I'm in.
You know what I heard?
You have to mint this PoE app to go.
On it.
I know it won't change the fact that it didn't happen
but at least you know maybe it'll make you feel
just a little bit
better just a little bit
I feel
like I got an invite for the next one
wherever that is I feel like I'm going to get an invite
for that one public pressure is the only way
you can get any of these things done guys that is
absolutely the only way to get
any of these things done but maybe maybe my foot's in the door now maybe my foot's in the
door i thought maybe path would have to reach out to someone for me i was ready to do that if
necessary i was gonna see if i could do that um but maybe not uh but yeah i would love to hear
the album how cool is this if you're a fan of hip-hop at all like this is such a legendary
thing and like i said to be this close to it is very very cool it is an incredible piece it's funny to me that in
this industry that's totally dominated by distribution right and they're like well how
do we compete okay we're not going to distribute it
yeah it's just incredible to think about i mean you're one of the most influential
groups ever right just legendary legendary artists you feel yourself entering an era where
uh artists aren't being appreciated they're not being paid for their work the way they should be. And that's gone a lot further now in the era of Spotify and some of
those things. What is the value of music? And right now, things like Spotify and some of those
things have changed that. Some people will say Napster started that and LimeWire, maybe so,
but that's where we are now. you know, and these things do have incredible
value. I mean, we talk about the value of art a lot. What's incredible about art is to be able
to create something that makes emotion in other people, right? Makes them laugh, makes them cry,
makes them feel things. You created something that makes people feel something. That's what's
special about art. That's what makes humanity unique is the ability to
create and the ability to inspire. And that's what this is. Like this is a seminal piece of art
that is locked away somewhere. I don't know exactly where, I mean, it could be some crazy
vault. I don't know. I don't know exactly where it is, but this is locked away somewhere. It is
just begging to be heard by people that would love to experience it and the emotions that they would feel brought from it.
As he mentioned, we're seeing a little bit more from the members of WoW.
Nothing together, but we're seeing them a little bit more now.
Does that mean that we're a little closer to be able to get something done with the album?
Oh, I really hope so.
I think that would be very, very cool, and it's something to keep an eye on.
I couldn't be more excited about it.
Ultron is like, I don't know, I love his energy. He makes me want things that I like even more than I wanted them before, because he just has such a great way of capturing,
kind of capturing the essence of excitement, I feel like, and appreciation and gratitude,
which I really love that awesome awesome way of explaining stuff
ultron i'm i'm over here freaking out i really want to get this announcement out if anybody is
in the dic check it out i dropped a question to you guys so that would be ultron dallas if you're
in the chat uh i just want to see what you guys think and i'm probably over analyzing it but yeah
so the announcement's almost ready to go i just want to make sure it has max impact. This is one of the more exciting things we've ever done. I think this is going to unlock some
doors that we have never had the ability to unlock before and kind of supercharge our project.
So just really excited to bring this live. All right, awesome. It looks like I'm getting the
thumbs up. I'm trying to maximize reach as well because sometimes you do a thread, sometimes you
do a... so I don't know, I might be freaking out. So we also have an awesome video to go with this
announcement. So very, very shortly, you guys are going to see an announcement is going to come
live from OwnTheDoge and please like, share, comment, spread the word about this. We're so
excited. This is one of a series of amazing announcements we have coming up over the next
couple of weeks. But like I said, this is really one of the most impactful partnerships that we've gotten involved in, and I'm really
excited to see where this leads. And now we're just loading. So we go ahead and post. And hopefully
this is looking good. Okay. Oh, yeah, you have to click it to read it, but I hope people take the time.
You click on it, you read through it, and this is it.
So, yeah, anyway, let me go check the agenda here, but very exciting event.
Oh, yeah, it looks like a lot of people have come to this space to hear about Wu-Tang.
I have a feeling we're going to have a V2.
He messaged me and he said, wow, you know, space went great and wanted to know how he felt it went.
And I think he was able to capture and explain, like, just the world of IP and his personal story and how he experienced Wu-Tang, how he's worked with Doge.
And now we have Kokoro and we have Nero and kind of what we're building together in this industry.
I think he was extremely articulate at explaining that
and very excited to continue working with him
and to have him on again.
If we have some other updates,
did we go over every update, would you say, Boop?
No, but I think there's just a couple that I wanted to...
If you haven't checked out our WAP,
definitely that's still
ongoing definitely go and check that out I can post or pin something shortly here and then we
also have our I don't think we've chosen anyone yet for looking for an illustrator to join our
design team so if you comment on this post which I will get also get pinned up here,
then you can get a lucky commenter will get $100 in Dog on Base. So definitely check that out.
And then also we are going to have our Kokoro Blitz chess tournament this Sunday at 2.30pm
Eastern Time. We'll have some prizes for the top players.
And then if you're looking for that entry code,
I encourage you to either join our X community on obviously on X and then,
or join our telegram and there'll,
there'll be an entry code pinned in there in the chat so that you can join.
So we'd love to have you join us for that.
I think other than that, that's all that I have for updates at the moment.
But of course, we also have our update that just came out.
Yes, that's what I wanted to.
Might as well just read it out. So again, I don't see everyone liking and sharing it yet. So let's make sure we do spread
the word. This is one of the most exciting joint ventures that OTD has ever gotten involved in.
And I can just kind of read it out to you guys. After years of championing, championing, if I
could read, provenance, uplifting creators and stewarding the world's most iconic meme, we are thrilled to unveil our alliance with BicDAO, a groundbreaking joint venture written in the stars.
Bic safeguards a vast treasury of meme NFTs acquired directly from the creators, standing as the ultimate guardian of the internet's cultural legacy.
Net's cultural legacy. Through this partnership, OTD pledges to supercharge Bix artifacts,
helping to preserve their essence, amplifying their reach, and unlocking commercial and
cultural growth. In return, we gain access to help steward Bix meme empire and a slice
of revenue from our ventures together. Let's make history. And then we have this epic video
that was created by Dojo and team to kind of showcase some of these incredibly famous memes that BicDow has acquired over the years.
There are many more to come. You may have seen Ultron buzzing around the Discord, the BicDow Discord, telling people about a bunch of Grail acquisitions recently made.
We have the Peanut Butter Jelly song.
What is it? Peanut Butter and Jelly time.
Dance. Dancing Banana.
One of the most iconic kind of
GIF memes from
back in the day. We have the Dancing
Baby. We have one of Ultron's
favorite that he might want to talk about so I won't
kill the hype on that. But just
an amazing group of memes coming
together here and we're going to have all of this
access to different IP that
we can kind of have this meme force together with Doge and all of these epic characters and we're going to be able to
spread the word about creator acquired creator empowering memes that come from the source.
The creator is directly rewarded and it's going to supercharge our movement so absolutely excited
the brilliant path and the entire team at BICDAO coming so close.
And to be honest, we are so close now as it is just within OTD,
the council, everything PATH has done,
totally revamping the tokenomics for us at OTD.
This is a natural progression, and we are incredibly excited about it.
Is that head-bobbing cat?
Because I rubbed on a head-bobbing cat
Solana token once.
I know it was different.
I'm so glad.
No rugging.
Yeah, yeah.
I have no idea what they'll do with it,
but we do have that.
I think one thing that we'll talk about,
I'd like to speak on this briefly.
I bought that token.
Yeah. Be careful. have that i think one thing that i like to speak on this briefly yeah no be careful in the uh anytime you venture into the end by my version you never know what you'll come out with
it's a good um and that's kind of the thing right people can go into the vapor casino and you can
try to uh play darts on pump fun or what have you, or you can buy things like Bic or OTD and get exposure to the entire meme coin sector
holding one token.
And I think that's kind of the value proposition there.
And I think for Bic,
and we've talked about this here a long time in the past,
and I mentioned it to Matt earlier
when we were talking about the Wu-Tang album.
For us, we want to acquire
culturally significant pieces of art.
That's what we want to do.
And I think when you
look at this week and we've done that for years now and we're one of the only groups doing that
and we'll continue to do that and we'll never stop doing that never stop adding to the treasury
but this week i think more than anything else we've really hit on all cylinders and that and
when you look back at some of the grail things and i know that word gets used often in this space
but in this case it is very very true dancing baby was one of the first memes things. And I know that word gets used often in this space, but in this case, it is very, very true. Dancing Baby was one of the first memes ever. I mean, this goes back to
what, 1996 on Ally McBeal and in GoDaddy commercials and all this. Before the internet,
before we knew what memes were and before we knew what viral was, this was viral.
When you look at Burt is Evil, Burt is Evil is one of my favorite pieces that we've ever gotten.
And all of the controversy around that was one of the first times that normies were seeing
internet culture and not understanding it.
And you see it on Good Morning America and all these talk shows.
Why would you use Burt as a sign of evil?
What is Al-Qaeda trying to do with Burt and Sesame Street characters?
I mean, it was amazing.
It was one of the really early times that you could see that internet had its own culture, and people on the outside might not
understand it yet. These things have changed since then, but when you can go back and you can
get these seminal pieces of internet history, those things have incredible value, and the stories
around them have incredible value. And I think now, at this point, and with our partnership with
Own the Doge, it allows us to go
back and to be bigger. And that's the idea behind all of this. It's to get bigger and to be able to
acquire more things and to do this in a bigger way. And that's what we're going to do. And that's
what this partnership does for us. BIC doesn't lose any of its assets. They're not giving anything
away. We are partnering with an incredible group of people, a group that I'm already part of.
I get to sit on the council and I'm very proud of that. This is just makes sense for all parties.
And it just continues and pushes us forward to continue to do the things that we've done.
And we're not slowing down. As you can see from the last week, we are continuing to accelerate
accelerate and we have a lot more plans to acquire a lot more things.
and we have a lot more plans to acquire a lot more things.
Absolutely. I cannot wait to see what is acquired, what kind of IP is negotiated over this vast
collection and everything to come and the way that we can work together with this meme force
and bring all of these memes together to places they've never been. I feel like memes are taking over
right now. And it's so dope. Instead of these weird drone politicians and whatever we've all
been dealing with in society, we have our favorite characters, our favorite creators,
and they're kind of taking over. And we're helping that to happen. And I feel like it's just
the most fun industry. And I'm just so honored that we all get to work together, doing something
fun, doing something amazing, and helping to change the industry together.
So, yeah.
I mean, we can't talk about it enough.
We've been, like, so excited just waiting to get this out.
But also wanted to make sure we had a really cool video.
And you can expect we're going to have a lot of announcements coming out over the next few months about, like, super dope collabs we can do together with Doge,
with Kokoro, with Nero, anytime interested to jump in and with some of these epic timeless
memes alongside BicDAO. So yeah, very, very bullish for everybody involved with any of these projects.
In terms of next acquisitions, another Solana token that I got rugged on, Skibity.
I still believe.
I think I might still hold.
It was a rug.
I'm ready for the real thing.
Yes. Exactly.
This is the way.
What you got to do,
eventually, you just got to hold it long enough
until some something comes out you'll get a little pump maybe you'll get a little exit
and then you can take that money whatever is left six seven eight dollars whatever it happens to be
then you can come back and buy some otd um yeah and then you can come back but whatever it is
you can we'll buy on base because gas will probably be a problem on mainnet but we have otd on base it'll be fine you can buy some otd on base
and then there you go rug proof much wow Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Moms bounced on old men.
So then we moved to Shaolin land.
A young youth, they're rocking the go-to.
Low goose, only way I'm beginning to G.O.
was grub loose.
And let's start it like this, son.
Pulling with this one and that one.
Pulling out gaps for fun.
But it was just a dream for the team who was a fiend.
Started smoking wounds at 16.
And running up in gates and doing hits for high stakes.
Making my way off high stakes.
No question I would speed for cracks and weed.
The combination made my eyes bleed.
No question I would flow off and try to get the go off.
Skipping up right boards on board boards.
My life got no better.
Same damn low sweater.
Times is rough and tough like leather. out i went the wrong route so i got with a sick type click and went all out catching keys from cross
seas rolling in mpvs every week we make 40g yo brothers respect mine
So not bad food from the gate now.
Cash rule.
Everything around me.
Cream, get the money.
Dollar, dollar, bill, yo.
Cash rule.
Everything around me.
Cream, get the money.
Dollar, dollar, bill, yo.
For 22 long, hard years, I'm still struggling.
Survival got me bugging, but I'm alive on arrival.
I'm feeling back to safe on the streets.
So stay awake to the ways that the world is deep.
A man with a dream with plans to make dreams fair.
I went to jail at the age of 15.
A young buck selling drugs and such who never had much.
Trying to get a buck to what I could not do.
The poor lady sitting now facing incarceration.
Mason, no one upstates my destination.
Handcuffed and back of a bust.
40 of us, life as it a story shouldn't be so rough.
But as the world turned, I learned life is hell.
Living in the world no different from a cell.
And every day I skate from taste, giving chase.
Selling bass, smoking bones in the staircase.
Even though I don't know why I talk to smoke sex.
I guess that's the time when I'm not depressed.
But I'm still depressed.
And I ask, what's your work?
Ready to give up so I speak the old earth.
Who they claim, working hard, may help you maintain.
To learn to overcome the heartaches and pain.
We got sick up kids, come up, cops, and crack rocks,
play shots, all in a block that stays high.
Leave it up to me while I be living through.
To get the truth, to the young black youth.
These donies run a while, smoking sex, drinking beer.
And ain't trying to hear what I'm kicking in is here. truth to the young black youth
Oh, Það er hér. Það er hér.
Það er hér.
