the topic of this spaces is
get into that and all that will become clear shortly before we get into that
we'll just have some music so I'm gonna start with some Miles Davis
all right guys that was Miles Davis one of the classics I know Rock's not here
right now he's just finishing up the other spaces but I know he's really
into his jazz so probably would have appreciated that if he would have been
here so we're just getting some more speakers sorted so just bear with us
we'll play one more and then hopefully we'll be off to a good start
I feel like this jazz playlist could do with some work this is the thing with
public domain music I have another hard time every week finding interesting
classical pieces to listen to boys let's go
that's a great idea Molly I've just seen you your message in the in the chat we
could have a music request list the problem is everything that people
request has to be public domain and that's an issue because a lot of the
music labels they buy like even the older collections so it's actually quite
difficult to find public domain music especially in a pinch but we could do
for sure and we could definitely put a music request list out ahead of time or
maybe give some options without further ado here's some classical
All right that was Edvard Grieg in the Hall of the Mountain King so we should
have Rock has joined us Rock I've invited you to speak I don't know whether
you rugged or what's going on but doge tools do you want to do a mic test yeah
hey guys it's princess can you hear me yeah loud and clear that's that's great
princess awesome and Teddy bags I saw your your rapid emoji firing that was
pretty funny with that song good to be here guys yeah great to have you yeah
the the music apologies guys we had a little bit of jazz which seemed to go
well and then and then we've just kind of gone off the deep end of some of the
classical stuff but hey that's like I said music are you doing rock okay you
guys can hear me now yeah Twitter is being a little bit glitchy I'm can't
join is I try to join his I accept co-host not working speaker I somehow
accepted twice I don't even know how that works but hello everyone good
morning good morning good morning fresh from the polygon space as well so yep
yep that was not one one if if you guys didn't weren't there you should go
re-listen to that because it had tons of airdrop tips tricks hints ways to make
free money basically that was pretty good the airdrop like sort of trend in
crypto is one of the things that I love about crypto the most it makes it so
that even newer people to the industry can get access to large amounts of
tokens just by performing various actions at the protocol once you perform
you have to be careful because there's a lot of scams and stuff that are based
around airdrops and connected wallets to access airdrops so you have to be
careful that you're only dealing with the legitimate projects but is is very
reasonable that somebody new to crypto if they do if they really focus on
airdrops within a year can make a pretty good amount of money from airdrops like
if you get the major ones and you snowball what you've got into like
trying to farm other ones and stuff like there's even certain NFTs that get
airdrops like they basically have deals where like other protocols airdrop to
them like I know in the Cosmos ecosystem it's just like there's like the bad kids
NFTs and they get tons of airdrops been seeing a lot about that recently on the
timeline but yeah I mean like yeah airdrops are huge and it's really good
from a from a token point of view as well because it allows for like greater
decentralization of the token itself so you know obviously protocols add
liquidity to a pool and people can buy tokens from that pool they get listed on
exchanges people can trade tokens there too but another way is is obviously
through the airdrop so you can get you know thousands of potential users
through the airdrop and then that can convert into thousands of token holders
too so it's a really good way to ensure some decentralization and token supply
it's a great way to reward users and especially the early adopters who might
be trying out a protocol for the first time they might be on a platform that's
new and untested and they're kind of forging the way for the crypto
community so you know for people like that they deserve to be rewarded in
some way for being kind of the bedrock of the community and I think you know a
lot of people trying game airdrops and there's some people that get very good
at it and they kind of professionally exploit airdrops with lots of sibyl
wallets and stuff and that's obviously an issue but I think for the most part
airdrops are a really positive thing and it's great that you guys did a space on
it so I would definitely check that out if you've not already and get your
airdrop hat on for the for 2024 because I'm sure there'll be amazing
opportunities just as there were in the years before
yeah I mean it this is uh yeah it's pretty cool to see like people even in
you know poor countries I mean you can make a full-time job out of this for
sure depending on you know what your cost of living is but yeah I don't know
what the qualifications were for like the unit swap airdrop that was one cool
one that I got that was worth thousands and I sold half and then held half and
still hold that to this day you know a cool one this wasn't an airdrop but this
is how quick swap distribute its tokens initially and still to this day does is
through liquidity mining so there's another kind of like sort of like an
airdrop not not an airdrop but a way to earn tokens is you just provided
liquidity on quick swap and you could earn your share of quick tokens which
are the governance token for the quick swap decks and then that that quick swap
you know quick revenue token also quick swap governance token also if you stake
it in the dragon slayer you get a portion of all the different there's
like 20 different revenue sources of quick across different chains and those
all get routed to the dragon slayer so it's completely it's like a decentralized
credit union owned by the the people right like that's what credit unions
kind of are and we made it you know in blockchain that's what blockchain does
so yeah we were giving away the in the first like you know when we first
launched quick swap and we gave 97% of the supply to go to this but we were
giving away a thousand quick a day at the beginning which today is worth like
$50,000 so $50,000 a day and that well way higher than that just to clarify that
was in read that was in pre-denominated quick if you want I don't know if you
want to explain that but like if you go on a thousand new quick tokens today
it's not worth that much but it's like no it is I'm saying I'm saying that is
worth $50,000 a day in today's terms at peak it would have been no no half
million a day no no because a thousand quick quick like 50 cents right so
because it's been no no no no no it was a thousand in old quick which which is
$50 yeah that that's what I'm talking about so in yeah I'm saying like that
was okay I got you redenomination if you don't mean yeah I got I got what you're
saying I got what you're saying so you're saying yeah so there's it's a
little confusion there guys because there was that there's the original
quick token which only had a 1 million supply and then it got redenominated or
like did a kind of token split so that there it was a billion supply so a
thousand X of the supply and so it's now it's like no I think it's five cents and
it used to be and the old quick is $50 so I'm talking about in old quick
numbers I'm used to them I'm a boomer yeah the reason for that by the way guys
just in case you're interested in this before we get into the main topic of the
day is just because there's something called unit bias and people when they
see something that's really like a token that's really expensive they don't
always look at the market cap overall they look at the token price and they
think it you know might be prohibitive or whatever so if you redenominate and
people hold now hold you know a thousand tokens instead of one token the
perception is that it's more exciting in some way so a lot of projects have gone
down that route and if you look now a lot of the projects that are launching
across the crypto space a lot of them have higher number of tokens when they
first launched they have a billion supply or a trillion supply or whatever
so it started I mean a lot of the meme tokens have always done that right
you've got like you know I think was it she very new launch of like a hundred
trillion or some crazy number whatever the max number is but yeah there's like
you know like all different ways of doing it but generally speaking the
smaller unit seems to be more popular hey I'll take I'm just gonna get you
added to the panel here and so today's topic by the way guys I know I know we
got into into airdrops just then but and that is exciting and you should
definitely go check that out but today's topic is basically the health of the
doge network itself so to give you guys a little bit of context here Timothy
Stebin who is a doge dev recently posted on Twitter dogecoin is sick and then
basically just talking about network congestion and the sort of inference
there is that doge and all's DRC 20 tokens are kind of responsible for
clogging up the network in some way because they you know obviously like the
to send the individual sheeps on which the inscriptions are written it's quite
like network intensive and obviously instead of somebody sending you know
like thousands of doge in one transaction now people are sending
individual sheeps and so like the value transfer on the network is slowing down
and so basically that he was saying that some exchanges of contacts in him
saying that is there anything that can be done to increase the speed of doge
coin core network and but then the other side of that is it's it's also a
positive thing that this is happening because it's it's the most use that the
doge network has had in years and so it's it's like the other side of this is
like you know doge is innovating doge is moving with the times the people on
doge are building things that haven't been built before and so that's the
other side of this thing so you know kind of my pump for today's thing is
like is doge sick or is it sick if you go I mean and the idea is that like the
community the doge community has done something that that hasn't been done
before when they transact with doge and all's that they're paying a higher fee
than they would otherwise have paid to transact with you know normal doge and
so as a result the miners are being compensated more which increases the
likelihood that people are going to start mining doge just in the same way
that it did with Bitcoin you know Bitcoin hash rate has gone parabolic
over the last few years and in a large part that's that's to do with ordinals
because the higher fees paid by ordinals transactions encourages people to mine
Bitcoin because now it's much more profitable because aside from the block
reward the the fee that gets paid is massive and so you know in my opinion
and I guess it will be the opinion of a lot of people that join the space and
and discuss in a little bit we've got some people coming from some of the
doge knows projects is that this is just innovation and it's a different way of
running the network it might be slower for now but it's definitely a different
way of running the network but I think overall it's a positive thing and you
know doge could have been perceived as sick when it was just a currency that
was falling in the amount of users it was having like month-on-month whereas
with recent innovations with doge chain being able to use your doge and DeFi
game files and NFTs and now a bit later on with DRC 20 tokens and doge and all's
this is innovation it's moving with the times and I think doge is far from sick
at this moment in time the community the doge community is the most vibrant I've
seen in in a long time and so I think looking at it as that it's affecting the
health of the network is the opposite I think what we need to be doing as a
community is coming together to say okay so we've got this bottleneck how do we
solve that bottleneck how do we speed things up but still keep all this great
stuff that's been happening over the last over the last few few months and
years and so that's kind of the debate that we want to have today is just so
we've got this problem which is you know network speed and then what are
some of the things that we can do to just move that over and speed up the
network again so people can use it yeah well well kind of summarized there so
there's a lot of different ways to look at this and I think it's very odd when
it's just an odd thing that in this industry an industry of innovation an
industry of kind of sticking it to the man in some ways and industry of hey
let's disrupt let's change let's build let's try new things let's break the
rules in some ways and you know not breaking laws or anything here but
breaking the conventional norms the banks run everything the governments run
the currencies all these these things we are here to like try to find new
solutions and explore and be open-minded so when you have like you
know let's let's zoom out to because this conversation is already been
happening for a long long long time actually before it came to doge this is
not a new conversation it might be new to many people in doge who aren't you
know looking at historical references but it's a very old conversation and
that conversation started probably as far back as Satoshi dice on Bitcoin where
people were saying it was spamming the network and it was they were calling it
you know spam and they were trying to fight to get it removed or do some kind
of forks to remove it and the consensus was basically like look if you're gonna
pay the fee to do something on chain then it's a it's a valid transaction it
follows the rules it follows the consensus rules and that's it now later
on you started having things like counterparty and colored coin and
master coin and rootstock well rootstock different because it's a it's
it's meant to be a side chain but a lot of these things would add transactions
on on top of the Bitcoin chain and people didn't like that right and this
is actually why part of the reason this resistance the same resistance that some
people in doge may be giving now this resistance is part of the reason that
Vitalik left Bitcoin he was a Bitcoin or by the way guys he wrote for Bitcoin
magazine he wrote for or was it I think it was Bitcoin magazine I'm pretty sure
but I maybe I'm wrong on the exact magazine I think that's what it was
though and I think he used his whatever ten dollars or whatever he made for his
first articles to buy I think a Bitcoin shirt you know so like this is way early
Vitalik and so he left Bitcoin and stopped trying to build on Bitcoin he
was actually he wrote the helped or at least helped write the white paper and
was working on a project called colored coins that I just mentioned I also
worked with the team that build that built that cool team but he left because
Bitcoiners were pushing these people out if you wanted to build like what colored
coins was was it was very similar to what doge or you know ordinals and
dogeinals do today it was trying to mark certain coins with some parameters and
you could call them colors or you could you know lay these calm labels or
whatever and these labels could do different things maybe you know one was
a token for you know maybe you could build like a stable coin it wasn't that
advanced yet I don't remember exactly what people were trying to do with these
it was just like hey let's make like a blue coin and you know whatever it's
very simple stuff with but there were good ideas and dreams that people were
thinking of what we could do with this but the in the end it was too hard to
build on Bitcoin there there wasn't a good cultural fit the Bitcoin community
the maxis would really like fight it and talk trash and now zoom you know go way
forward you now have Bitcoin ordinals and the same conversation is happening
now Bitcoin ordinals they actually found a way to hack together like an actual
usable system on top of Bitcoin like colored coins master coin all these
weren't really that usable rootstock arguably was pretty good but didn't get
traction I think because Bitcoiners just don't like tokens and they call
token scams hardcore you know Bitcoin maxis I should say I'm a Bitcoiner I'm
a hardcore Bitcoiner but I'm not a Bitcoin maxi so anyways they they talk
trash and it all just went somewhere else it went to aetherium now aetherium
is you know it's massive platform and that happened because Bitcoiners were
so culturally closed-minded and I worry that this is what's gonna happen now
again with either Bitcoin or doge is people who are closed-minded in my
opinion and I'm not trying to talk trash or be adversarial here but if we say
that doge is only usable for one thing and one thing only and that's just like
as a currency to tip and things well then that's all it will ever be if we
fight if the community ends up kind of coalescing around that idea but if we
instead open our minds and say hey what if it can be more what if it could be a
platform what if it could be a place where people can put their their dog art
or whatever art or they can whatever put a deed to a house or a contract on the
blockchain or build us you know stable coin backed by doge which actually does
chain develop what not he's not a developer of doge chain but he's one of
the developers who builds on those chain Owen who may come on today he's
building a stable coin for example so there's all these cool things we could
do and why not do them with doge why do them somewhere else I'll give you some
more examples like doge chain which is layer two slash side chain of doge you
can trade tokens on it you can trade your doge for whatever a bunch of
different you know assets right and these different assets if you wanted to
do that normally you would have to go to say Robin Hood or a centralized exchange
like Binance and then who benefits Robin Hood and Binance right they're
shareholders but if you trade for a token on doge or on a doge side chain or
on doge ordinals markets on native doge who are you benefiting you're benefiting
the doge community because the mining fees go to the if it's on you know doge
proper you know proof of work then the mining fees go to the the the miners they
increase their security increases they they build more miners because they're
getting paid more and people are competing for that that reward so the
security gets stronger there's more transactions and at the end of the day
that's the optic we're looking for right more users more transactions and so I
say screw all these other places where we can put this doge activity let's
bring it home to doge if you're doge fan don't you want the activity here or do
you want it you know on Robin Hood or like you know you could do you could
borrow and lend doge on on BlockFi up until they went bankrupt so who was
making the money from that BlockFi not doge community but if you borrow and
lend on on doge chain on doge or if you can build it through proof of work doge
which nobody has yet but on doge chain if you borrow and lend you're using doge
as your currency you're using doges gas eventually we could enable a doge burns
which could make doge deflationary and etc etc there's all these benefits to
the doge community so let's bring that value to the doge community and stop
giving it to other you know aetherium which I love by the way but if you're a
doge fan you probably would rather doge benefit than aetherium benefit Billy
Mark another example Billy Marcus issued NFTs they were doge themed cool doge you
know doges with moons and stuff where did he issue that on aetherium I think
on open sea so who benefits the aetherium miners the aetherium holders
through that burn through EIP 1559 and open sea platform open sea whatever
shareholders or users or however they distribute revenue so doge didn't
benefit from that other than the marketing of it which is still a
positive but I say bring it all home to doge build it on doge yes it's clogging
the network but we can solve these problems and we will solve these
problems that's my personal opinion absolutely hey rock can I say something
about that yes please so this is princess I yesterday or whenever they posted this
I said yesterday even if it was four days ago forgive me but you know they
were saying oh you know what's happening with the doge network being sick quote
unquote you know that's because of doge annals and doge chain and I kind of got
defensive of doge tanks we've been here now for almost two years and you know I
said this has nothing to do with doge chain and you actually made a really
good point that doge chain actually can help solve these problems and so if my
understanding is correct like what is happening with doge network right now is
a little bit unique in the sense that the block size is a lot smaller than
Bitcoin so there has to be something done right to to make these
inscriptions you know like make it make sense on doge versus Bitcoin because
Bitcoin has a lot larger block size so that you know they actually had to halt
the networks and everything on the exchanges and that's why people are
freaking out I was actually just reading a reddit post and it says hey it's you
know doge being attacked you know no doge isn't being attacked you know people
are trying to inscribe these these NFTs and I think that doge chain actually
offers a really unique opportunity for people who love doge NFTs to you know
make some of these NFTs and not necessarily cause those issues on the
network well just one one thing on that so I think first of all great point
second of all I think one thing to remember is that they'll the the
inscriptions will always have to be inscribed on the doge core network but
what what doge chain could potentially remove is the the transacting of those
inscriptions clogging up the network so instead of like if you imagine these
inscriptions you know over the course of their life each one might change hands a
hundred times right and if you have you know 10,000 piece collection and they
change hands 100 times that's like a million transactions that could
potentially have gone up it might be more than a million right but that could
potentially have gone on the doge core chain however instead what what we're
working on is that we you know once we get the bridge sorted from doge nalls to
doge chain the idea is that okay you inscribe on doge core and so that make
sure that it's a proper inscription and that it's fully on the the original doge
proof-of-work blockchain and it'll be there forever but then you can bridge
them into doge chain and then you can do everything that you want to do with them
trade them get royalties etc and or include them in d file game file
whatever you want to do whatever the various teams involved want to build and
most importantly you can trade them but you can do that in a way that doesn't
put pressure on the original doge network and this is the this is the key
challenge that you know some of our team is working on at the moment it's like
this is kind of like you know for those that believe that doge is sick right now
this in my opinion is the rescue plan this is how we solve the problem we
actually have Aztec here is a bit of a an expert on some of the polygon tech so
I don't know if you want to speak to this Aztec like just like you know in
what ways we can help this problem or we can help solve this problem with with
polygon text I know that rock in the past has spoke a lot about polygon CDK
and DKVM and like using that to basically stamp to Ethereum to guarantee
the security of the network definitely I'm here listening I've been listening
because I'm trying to catch up with you guys you know I mean think dojunals is
more of a newer kind of a category for me but I understand what you guys are
talking about when it when it comes to you know the overall like solution that
you're providing for the doge community I love it I like the idea I think it's
definitely needed and then I also start thinking about all the other ways that
doge chain can can act as a solution or or like you're saying Jack a you know
the rescue plan for doge and I know that doge chain is is a kind of positioning
here to become a polygon CDK so like a zkvm and some of some of the critiques
recently have just been about zkvms and you know currently they might be a
little expensive but there are some as more adoption happens on these chains
you know the price or the yeah price to transact goes down but additionally
polygon is coming out with some really interesting and powerful new upgrades
that will actually bring the cost to transact on let's say a doge chain as a
kvm much more cost-effective and additionally there's ways where you can
utilize like data availability on other other chains like let's say like
Celestia or near using your polygon CDK zkvm and that will further bring down
the cost for everyone so I think what I'm excited to see is you know I think
we're noticing like Bitcoin and doge and like these proof-of-work chains kind of
getting bogged down a bit from this experimentation but I'm excited to see
this technology that polygons providing that's maturing very quickly start
helping be the rescue plan for for you know the this is experimentation
essentially yeah man thanks for the insights I think that's those are great
points I mean the main thing from from my point of view is that we have like
these this dual I demand on the network so the first thing is it has to be
secure and transparent and the idea that you know eventually we could go to
become a zk chain is great because that's all both of those things right
this is secure the transparency obviously because it's stomped into
Ethereum and security again because it's down to Ethereum so you know he does the
best security in the world right now outside of Bitcoin so that that makes
sense from that point of view and then the other thing that we're trying to do
is is basically make increase the longevity of the original doge core
network the proof-of-work chain and the way we're doing that is alleviating
pressure and providing new facilities for people to use those so instead of it
being this you know ten billion dollar pool of dead capital it can now be used
for all the various things that the DeFi, GameFi and NFTs can do and then the
recent thing which is the network congestion hopefully will be partially
alleviated by the innovations that doge chain is working on and we've got a
request by the way from OG dogeking.eth I will let you up if you've got
something to contribute to the discussion and but please no project
shows or anything like that. I'd like to piggyback off what you're saying Jack
yeah I so in addition to everything that you're saying you know being a rescue
plan for for doge there's also an opportunity coming for the entire doge
community doge chain community and so Polygon has released the zkvm and you
know these there's these massive upgrades coming and you know there's
other projects aligning themselves with this technology to to further bring down
the cost of all this experimentation but additionally Polygon is coming out with
ag layer v1 it's supposed to come out this month I would think I would think
it's coming out like at least the next you know 30 to 60 days something like
that and what this opportunity and this technology is going to give everyone
that uses a zkvm is access to aetherium liquidity so this is massive because you
know a lot of chains that are out there whether they're like a side chain of you
know doge or if there's random layer ones or in in this case you know if
you become a layer two of polygon you now have the ability to tap directly
into the aggregation layer that polygon has and basically what that means for
let's say like doge chain potentially in the future if it becomes a zkvm is that
if there's projects that have like doge anals that they've brought on to doge
chain or various NFT collections or defy whatever it is on doge chain people
from polygon proof-of-stake or polygon zkvm or whatever polygon CDK chain there
is if they have their liquidity on those chains will easily and seamlessly be
able to participate on in doge chain collections even though their liquidity
is on another chain so I find this really fascinating because this what
this means for doge you know coming back to the core is that if you're doing all
this experimentation you bring it onto doge chain to kind of be like you know
to help the network and everything and you're experimenting on doge chain you're
also going to have that opportunity to get access to all the different polygon
chains liquidity but also directly tapped into Ethereum so this is just a
massive opportunity and I think a lot of people aren't really aware that you know
this is right around the corner
the future of doge is a bright one as tick and a doge chain family thank you
for letting me come up here hello guys speaking right now I'm not really sure
if I'll take you you're right or if it's real I think I think you're right
can you hear me do chain we can hear you but I don't hear you can hear us let me
message Jack on Twitter and go ahead OG doge yeah yeah so um I had a couple
questions because I was talking to a couple people in different rooms that
like are a little bit more well-versed than me like on like how like the doge
coin network works and like the benefits of doge chain and how it's like it DRC
20s are aiming to like optimize like the blockchain like have like a better
way for people to like mint NFTs and so forth and like even like create tokens
in the future anything like any other protocol like on doge coin right but
somebody was telling me yesterday that like there's only like 32 transactions
that can be completed in a second for a minute or something weird like that and
then they explained to me that like if like the network gets bloated pretty
much everything gets sent to like the mempool and then like if it doesn't like
like go through those send like the the transaction value back right but um
until like the transaction goes through or does like falls off like it like the
transaction like amount that you're transacting with is like stuck in like
a sort of limbo stage right yeah I can I can explain that for you but yeah what
was did you have a follow-up question on that yeah the only like I really wanted
to understand is like I know like way back in the day there was the first NFT
minted on dogecoin right and I was like googling it and trying to understand like
how it was minted and stuff because like this was before DRC 20 I think they used
like Shaw 256 or something but they were storing the data on on checksum
right it's like IPFS like for a see you like interplanetary like I forget what
it's called but like our system interplanetary exactly like I wanted to
ask you if there's gonna like if there would be a value for like NFTs on the
doge chain or doge network to be like minted it like in a fashion where like
the data is not inscribed directly onto like a dogecoin like in comparison to
like like having that data on chain and like if that makes a difference so you
certainly could store a link to a to a photo that's stored somewhere else on
the internet like IPFS or any server really you can certainly do that that's
actually what most NFTs on aetherium do but I think part of the the magic of
these ordinals and what people like about them and one of the reasons you
even see ordinals on aetherium and other blockchains that actually have smart
contracts which on those you would think and I thought for a long time and I
still think to some extent why would you want to do ordinals on aetherium or on
polygon or whatever if you can you have smart contract like tooling and platforms
you could just use part of the reason I think people do it is because inscriptions
are directly the image is directly inscribed you know in in usually the
image is directly inscribed onto the blockchain like there's if if like a
server that's hosting the actual image like you could buy an NFT on aetherium
and if that NFT if it's it's there's a link in that in your you know token your
NFT or your RC 721 or whatever whichever standard it's using there's a
link to a website and then it's just pulling the data from the website the
viewers are looking at the website and then showing you what you have but it's
not actually on the blockchain it's a link on the blockchain that and you just
own basically you just own that that NFT as hey I own this look here's a link to
what it looks like that's kind of it's a different thing so so inscriptions one
of the magic behind them one of the reasons people like them so much
starting with Bitcoin was because they are actually on the blockchain meaning
it can never be deleted doesn't matter if a server goes down it's there forever
forever and ever and ever as long as Bitcoin is alive as long as there's even
a single node running the Bitcoin you know core client etc so yeah you could
you could put a link to an IPFS server whatever on on an inscription and I
think it would be a smaller size file and then it would cost less maybe people
will start doing that once they get more full it's a good question though I don't
know if anyone's doing that on Bitcoin ordinals yet and really we should be
looking any of these questions we have about Doge ordinals we really should be
just looking at you know the Bitcoin conversation because they've already been
having this conversation for a year and we could learn a lot from that so I
spend a lot of time looking into that and you know like I was actually talking
to one of the Doge Foundation members last night about you know some things
they're doing and how we're looking to solve this and and yeah I guess I'll
keep that conversation just private for now but you know part of what we're
looking at or I'm looking at at least is some of the ways that Bitcoiners are
trying to solve this and you know earlier I forget who said it but they
were talking about how Bitcoin