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Dogechain Doginals and ZkEVM - DC Roundtable #69
Recorded: Jan. 5, 2024 Duration: 2:21:03Space Recording
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waiting for the the other core team members to join let's let's have a
listen to some music in the meantime I'm just choosing something here to listen
let me get some speakers here up we have Dubdigital James hi James
can you hear me James just testing yeah I can hear you can you hear me well yeah
loud and clear great man awesome
Here we go.
I'll see you next time.
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All right, guys.
Still waiting for some speakers here to join.
Thanks for your patience.
I know it's already been eight minutes since we started.
Just going through my telegram groups here with all the invitees.
I need to get up as a speaker here.
So let's get them everything started.
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for launching a new doge chain on polygon cdk was accepted by the the community which means that
with with an overwhelming i think 98.5 percent and with the biggest turnout until now
regarding voting i think three and a half billion vdc uh were used to uh to uh to vote on on this
proposal and uh yeah so overwhelmingly positive response from the community regarding this
initiative and yeah that means that in the next months we will be starting to push some
uh some uh updates regarding this first of all there will be a much uh clearer road map
because while the vote was going on it was pretty clear that the community was for it our
dev team was uh researching all of the tech stuff that uh uh about creating a new chain on on
polygon cdk how the bridges would work how everything would be uh connected to uh the
legacy don't chain 1.0 which we all know and love at the at this point uh so uh yeah we will be
providing more information as the the the in the next week on on how everything the process of of
of the the launch will will go on uh so uh i see uh that a lot of the people that which are in the in
the telegram chats are are worried about their vdc tokens law their their dc locked in the vdc model so
there's nothing to be worried about everything will uh you will even if we migrate on the on the new
chain there will be a new process uh a process on how to to get your uh your tokens on the new chain
if you want to migrate and if not you will always be able to uh to recover them on on uh on don't
chain one pono so uh nothing to be worried about there uh when it comes to uh stuff like uh project
with lock liquidity we're still discussing the the number of ways that we can approach these uh like
issues uh with uh with project liquidity so that everybody uh is incentivized uh to migrate but if they
don't want to they can still stay here uh and uh everybody has the same advantages which are a chain
they choose of course it will be always better to choose the zkvm one uh because being a true layer two
of uh ethereum doing roll-ups uh with doge's gas would be something that is incredibly powerful for the
uh and future proof for uh for doge in in that in general and um uh uh yeah that's uh that's the
gist of it for the moment so i'm still waiting on rock here because uh they had like a late meeting
i think yesterday with the team uh well it was not late for them it was late for me but i missed it and
uh i'm also here for some alpha that that he would might he might be sharing that he got from the devs
it's pretty pretty awesome stuff that what i've seen left and right in in our groups and uh hopefully
he will be jumping on there he is let me invite him as a co-host and uh yeah that's the the the first
thing is the the zk evm update uh and the vote that that that was pretty oval overwhelmingly positively
accepted for the initiative uh and the second thing is that is this something that we discussed
on the previous spaces just before the new year's uh which is the doginals something that could be uh
uh incredibly interesting for for doge chain and both doge and the doge community that is interested
in these doginals hey hi rock welcome hey guys sorry man we we're gonna we're gonna start stuff
we're gonna start closing out on the next lap on the polygon spaces even 15 minutes earlier because
it is impossible to close that out everybody has something to say so sorry about that guys a bunch of
those people i think are coming over here though um we got uh shib toshi i see has requested he was
great last week and had a lot of good insights on all roads lead to polygon we i think pro the doge
will be coming um i think uh shitcoin shaman is going to come over uh we've got a we've got a handful
of uh people who are going to come over from the last spaces and uh and jump in on this ordinals
conversation yeah we have remember legend as well who is uh into doginals as well welcome by the way
i i put you up as speaker and i you requested we have a uh doginals twitter group uh i guess you
somebody is uh from that chat will be joining as well uh a few you know aficionados of doginals
will also be joining the the spaces and uh express their their interest and uh their feedback on on how
we can uh provide more utility to to these doginals through dot chain uh evm zkvm and uh both uh both
chains we have michael shiptoshi welcome we have dub digital who is uh our bd on dot chain bd lead
uh and uh yeah looks like uh it's going to be a great spaces guys let's get started
let's do it happy new year's uh it's uh 2023 was a great year i know it was rough for many people and
you know in terms of price you know it wasn't like the most stellar year unless you were unless
you had a lot of bitcoin probably mostly uh but you know there was a lot of projects that uh that had
some some decent returns too but it was it was really a year of bitcoin actually uh surprisingly i'm
bitcoin's dominance in the market man i was looking at it again last night it's kind of crazy
how strong bitcoin's dominance has gotten over the last year um but yeah overall great year tons
of building that's what i was most excited about seeing the stuff being built in crypto it blows my
mind how fast this space is moving i went through like a kind of list of some of these things um in
the last space uh maybe we'll get into some of those things today but uh i know the main focus is
probably to talk about uh doge ordinals or doginals or cardinals or the different names for these
uh and talk about how uh how we can get these going in doge chain and uh and if it makes sense
like do doginals make sense do ordinals make sense at a at the root uh are they a bad thing for bitcoin
are they bad for doge are they good for doge uh you know all of the all of the the controversial
opinions on this stuff we'll get into today yeah and uh speaking about last year as well uh a lot
of people thought that web3 failed which is like a half truth uh to be honest because there's a lot of
work when it comes to you user experience in web3 there's still a lot of stuff that that need to be uh
uh built for uh mainstream users to to to fill a client to easily acclimate to to web3 and uh how
to use blockchain technology but uh in 2023 we've seen like these builders that that remain in the
space that they're pushing some they're pushing the boundaries of web3 they're pushing some some great
products out there with great ui great ux for uh for uh uh mainstream one option uh we can see for
example the gasless uh stuff like immutable x is doing for their games uh and uh this should should
slowly become the norm you know people should uh start distancing themselves from from all of these uh
gas tokens that they need for this or that chain uh interoperability is uh with uh with polygon for
example is going to uh uh to push the boundaries even further of interrupt interoperability with uh
with uh all of the zkvm chains uh the d5 composability between these chains as well the asset assets
easily bridged and uh uncomposable across these protocols all of this is is something that has
been built during this uh really difficult bear market but uh which lasted like uh what year and a
half two years of uh of really really hard hardships uh for for a lot of projects a lot of them you know
failed uh a lot of builders didn't manage to to keep up to in the industry but we're still here we're
still building and we're still trying to uh make the best out of uh doge chain to provide more utility
for doge and uh follow every narrative for the doge community including the dogenals which has been
around since may last year but is only really catching up uh in popularity in the last couple of months or so
yeah a lot of interesting things happening it is unfortunate that so many projects uh went out of
business in in 2023 2022 um yeah the the end of the bear market is an interesting time there's
like if you think about if if the bear market would have gone on say another two or three months how many
more projects would have gone out of business so it i mean it's a it's a lesson though this is this is
capitalism is and now this this capitalism is you know a little more pronounced in crypto because of
these cycles and because of the massive ups and then massive downs that we have every four years but
uh it is something you have to learn to manage and some you know usually that people don't learn to
manage that in their first their first cycle right this is my third cycle and i don't think i managed uh
managed that well i think i was so bullish i thought that um you know uh um that bitcoin was going to go
much higher and i thought you know everything else would continue to go higher with it uh i was
predicting like a you know 250 000 bitcoin was my thinking um but it only hit 69 000 which to me was like
like way earlier than i expected i did the same thing in in 2017 uh you know i thought it was going
to go to uh i was thinking like i think i i don't remember exactly i think i was thinking like 30 to
50k or something if i remember correctly or 60k maybe when i was real optimistic but uh you know it only
went to 20k right so i'm a i'm kind of maybe over overly optimistic and so and i also just never sell
tokens which is maybe probably some people would say stupid of me but whatever um i i don't know
that's just how i am i just like huddle things uh which makes a lot of sense with like something
you know bitcoin e um you know um polygon matic doge these are things that like you could arguably
just hold through the cycles and not not try to time the market i would probably actually argue
probably not to time the market maybe those because it you know the way it it's super volatile
maybe you want to think about timing that if for some people but i don't i just literally just hold
these things now with that being said i you know i might i might play things differently this time uh
maybe with like some smaller coins that i hold but realistically i like my bitcoin i so i could say
for sure my bitcoin i won't sell i won't sell a dollar of them uh in i don't care how high it goes i
don't care if it goes to 100k i don't care if it goes to 10 million i'm not selling i'm just holding
them um eth probably also same my matic probably also same and honestly my dose too yeah those things
i probably won't sell but maybe some smaller stuff maybe like projects i invest in or that lunar digital
assets invest in maybe this time we'll sell more because last time we didn't the company didn't really
sell and that kind of hurt us because um those things were seen as income tax and then when they went
down uh the capital losses don't cancel the income tax so the one i guess the one biggest lesson i'll
say that that i learned is at least if you receive crypto as income at least sell enough to pay the
taxes that's what i would say uh other than that i don't care i just hodl but that's not financial
advice if you know for others don't don't listen to me i can i can do that because i have enough money
to live if everything drops 80 and i can wait four years or three years or two years for it to come
back you know so i'm in a different position maybe than some some other people if you need
to sell because you're gonna like now you're gonna be screwed if you don't have enough money
to live or something totally different story but if you can hodl to me that's the better strategy
but a lot of people disagree with me i'm actually probably in the minority there
i mean a hodl mentality is actually makes it to where the community is uh you know if you look at
the metrics for some of the stronger set communities like you look at like uniswap in
the beginning uh whenever they did the uniswap airdrop it shows how much the community trusts and
values the team or the product and see if there's going to be use cases for it or if it's just going
to be an airdrop right if it's an airdrop cool they start exiting the company fizzes away if the
community starts to show dominance and you could continue your your point but i'm just curious what
you did michael uh so in the beginning basically i knew that inflation was it the initial wave of
uni i dumped it instantly reason why is because i knew that others are going to be dumping right
right after me so um but what i did was that a good decision or no i because yeah it was a lot
after the airdrop hold on hold on here let me finish so i dumped it in the beginning
and uh like right when i received the airdrop i just instantly dumped it then i waited for
basically everyone to kind of i waited like a few days or so to kind of like everyone else that was
going to you know receive the airdrop late and stuff most likely they're going to dump so i'm
not going to just buy back in uh and then later on i saw that you know it started to not pick up a
lot of volume in terms of cells so that's when i got back in and then rode uni for a little bit
but uh shifted over to to other stuff because there's always more profitable trades everywhere
within crypto it just matters if the product is going to be something that's reliable um and uni at
the time like honestly at the time no one knew it was going to be a crazy crazy product and everything
but having first movers advantage or having a unique advantage really made it kind of stand out
because yeah i still have prior to that was what idexo
yeah there was a few dexes prior it was like idexo and uh dang this is so early early on idexo
there was another one i think it was cyber for them i think yes like balancer balancer was i think
before uni well the timing well for the timing of the coin coming out was beautiful it was like right
after the controversy when i found ran away on the competing decks i forgot what it was
but um sushi yeah sushi that was amazing they just came out right after it and it siphoned all that uh
use user base so it has a good timing thing well it was an answer to sushi because sushi so uniswap
had no token they and the decks doesn't technically need a token that actually the token doesn't really
operate within the decks very much uh for uniswap it's just governance alone uh which is fine i mean
that's still valuable but and who knows what it'll do later uh but um basically sushi launched uh as a
fork of uni with you know the big change was they had that token that they would give away for liquidity
mining uh which now you know pretty much everyone does except for uniswap um but that was the the
that was the the big attack on uni and uh i don't remember if uh i think at one point sushi surpassed
them in liquidity and then that then uniswap answered back by launching their own token to
vampire back you you want to hear some crazy alpha about that exchange yeah all right so if you looked
at uniswap and uh you look at sushi swap what happened to the centralized exchanges the centralized
exchanges started seeing it to where it was you know dexes are detrimental as a competitor to their uh
to their business model it's like centralized exchanges wants it to be where they're able to
control the assets because once again they could be able to utilize those assets lend them out uh in
the case that we've already seen which is ftx so sam's kind of like response was to try to create
something that was decentralized but in reality uh there are a lot of internal there are a lot of internal
discussions during that period that points to sam creating sushi swap or at least alameda and being
involved or something i think there was a lot of rumors we don't know that though do we was that
official that alameda invested it it wasn't official but there was major support for uh for sushi because
they saw it as a competitive a competitor to ftx uh at the time but uniswap what they did which was
really really interesting was once they went to their next model to the hey look you're not you're
just you're not you're just going to just copy and paste us uh we're gonna place a licensing agreement
on here so that you can't uh be able to basically you can't you can't copy us for the next uh i think
was four years or so so like in the beginning uniswap as a young company just got taken advantage of
because the source code was completely open and having all of this proprietary information that
proprietary data that they place time and research and effort and money into literally
just get forked over literally overnight and then redeployed and then marketers or exchange marketers
and stuff goes in and you know the the team doesn't have enough bandwidth uh kind of like firepower
compared to some of the the bigger portions that's you know you don't want to get bullied uh especially
uh i i will i will disagree on this one i think look i get it i get it you know putting uh putting
a license on your stuff so that uh other people can't fork it um and give you like some lead time
i forget how long was it was it two years they they they said look we're gonna protect it for two years
i think um and then other people can fork it i get it totally get it from a business perspective
it isn't web 3 though it isn't decentralization this is open source everything should be given
the code should be given out and i look i love uniswap quick swap was originally a fork of uniswap
now it's that's only a small part of what we do is is the the amm stuff um but uh that's one place where
i'll vehemently disagree with uh uniswap and and say i think that was a really shitty move on their part
i'll just say that publicly i'll probably get from this somewhere i'll probably get a bunch of dms
about this but i don't care i don't think that's cool i think if this should be open source and
everything should be forkable and you know just keep building good stuff and keep market sharing
by the way everybody forked their stuff they still were number one they didn't need to do this they
were still going to succeed and be number one in the dex category uh i think this was a really weak
thing to do and slows down progress in the space right now here i'll counter that real quick
and you were also a part of this as well polygon in the beginning whenever was releasing out main
net had to be a very centralized and basically centralized entity and not having everything
open source in the beginning onboarding the proper foundation partners and then later on
decentralizing i don't think like you know i don't think it has to be like three years for
i don't think i don't know maddox code was not closed source and neither is there zk evm or cdk
all of it including the prover that they paid 400 million dollars for they open sourced and now
other other roll-ups are using their code like zk sync and and uh linea by consensus no no in the
beginning in the beginning phase in the beginning phase to have centralized basically having
centralization remember when whenever we were switching from testing from open sourcing code
though those are two totally different issues you're talking about having things like like for
example um the foundation um the foundation validator like basically yeah validator stuff
yeah i understand but uh open sourcing the the code itself to to to be able to fork it is is what rock
is getting uh yeah they're different things i mean i could see how you could relate them there they are
in some ways related um but they're at i would be more open to like what all the different roll-ups are
doing for example which is they have some protections and sale faith safes in place in case
this new cutting-edge code goes bad there is a way to uh like pause the chain if there's a big vote for
it or something right it's like a week-long thing you could do it you could pause the chain and uh and
like if that's if the something's wrong in the code the community can vote and like there is a kind
of fail safe there and on some of these roll-ups it actually is just the foundation could do it
unilaterally themselves without a community vote now that i don't know it's iffy right but vitalik
kind of says look it's he thinks it's okay i generally think like it kind of makes sense when
you're doing cutting-edge stuff to have some protections in place where if something serious
happens with these really weird and new and complex technologies to be able to uh like stop the
chain and if there's a big hack or something and the chain's going to go under it's kind of like
how ethereum forked after the dow hack like and by the way i'm not 100 sure this is a good thing for
the industry either um it's a controversial thing but i'm just saying it's a different thing than
open sourcing the code i think open sourcing code is what should be done and i i like that polygon did it
even though you know that is going to result in people just copying their code and catching up to
them for the 800 million or billion or whatever they spent to build zk evm other people will be
able to catch up to them faster because they open source but it's the best thing for the industry
and it's a different you know different people take different stances here i think i think we should
cheer on the people who open source stuff and i think i don't think we should necessarily shame the
people who don't but i just don't like that i don't appreciate that i think it should be open source
like at least the code let the code be used somewhere else i'm not saying let people take
over your protocol i i'm you know i understand sometimes projects need to be more centralized
and then over time they become decentralized but at least give the code out so other people can innovate
on your code yeah i kind of want to chime in here you know uh my stance on things obviously we're in
our building phase and we build everything from scratch uh we don't um white label or fork
things and you know my stance on it is you know if you are taking your time and spending your own
personal funds to develop something that you truly believe has not been done before
you know why would you open source your code and allow you know other people to essentially benefit
from your your your sweat and your labor that you put into something and just you know deploy the
same thing that you've taken over a year to build plus the uh you know large amounts of money that
have gone into it you know so you know for example with sgx which is our our decentralized perpetual
exchange you know uh for the most part you know most perpetual exchange operates the same way but
you know us in particular there is a certain area of sgx that we are attempting to
uh make sure that we are under compliance with and it's something that i truly believe that has not
been done yet on a decentralized level so i i would be very hesitant to essentially allow anybody to you
know just copy what we have built obviously they couldn't just put it out unless they had the right
um regulatory review on it or they could and they could just you know put their selves in jeopardy of
you know fallen under regulation but me personally i don't plan on open sourcing any of my codes
with the exception of our main contract and any deployed contracts but as far as like the back end
and that type of thing that you know we have spent substantial time and money on i will i probably will
never be open sourcing our code for the reason that i don't want anybody to gain the advantage that
you know we have taken so long to you know build and refine uh you know you can essentially take
something that you know we spent three million dollars on and just copy it and deploy it for free
now i understand your argument as far as helping you know the community or helping you know crypto evolve
you know people build off of that and make it better but you're uh you know providing everybody a huge
uh shortcut into uh entering into the realm that you've spent so much time to you know but it's a
shortcut that you also took so i'm gonna i'm gonna have to push back here on when you said you built
everything from scratch there's nothing in technology that's built from scratch it doesn't work like
that anymore you have to use stuff if you are if you are truly building everything from scratch then
everyone should stay away from your project because it's dangerous as shit you have to use battle-tested
things you can't roll your own crypto you can't roll your own cryptography right you're you you're
using other people's cryptography that's been battle tested for 10 years you there's no way it's like
it's like when when it's look i'm being nuanced here but it's like when someone you know when cindy
or my mother cook or my grandma and they say oh i'm cooking from scratch well you know there's different
levels of from scratch right you could be you know more from scratch than something else but you're
definitely not completely from scratch right she's not growing the basil or i guess we do grow the
baby she's not growing the potatoes but you know you get what i'm saying so there are parts of
absolutely i mean absolutely some of the logic has you know come from other places but there are
certain aspects that are completely built from built from scratch because i mean you know look at all
the exchanges you know most of the exchanges are a copy of another exchange you know with the same
functionality but there are instances where you take you know battle tested uh you know codes and you
you kind of build on top of them and make them better and then you add something that is truly
unique and different that in my personal opinion has not been done so you know i do get your logic there
and yes you are completely correct you know every every you know kind of battle tested um
um you know perpetual exchange that is kind of out there they're all very similar gmx
um is very similar to you know many other uh decentralized perpetual exchanges but there are there are
extreme differences in between you know some of those perp exchanges some of them have features that
others do not so what i'm what i'm saying is they have completely different mechanisms now i mean there's
there the gmx is the main one that's gotten um like traction and then there's synthetics and then
there's like dydx uh and some others but um now we're going to see like in 2024 you're going to see
a plethora of new new styles and they all took idea from or inspiration from or code from the the
predecessors right that's how the industry gets stronger and yes and you and you and you perfect that but
you know like apex as well by bits uh version of the decentralized um platform you know so yeah
i mean you take kind of what's out there it all starts with somebody open sourcing their code and
people building on top of that but as far as like the unique backends and the you know the intricate
aspects of a platform i don't think that should be you know open source you know as far as the deployed
contract i do believe that contract should be verified and for anybody to actually read through
the contract itself but as far as like the proprietary back-end stuff uh you know that is what we will
probably never uh be open sourcing but yeah i mean there are so most most projects don't have a
lot of back-end hidden code there are some gmx with their keeper bots um dydx has a bunch of back-end
stuff there there are definitely some i think i think synthetics but i'm not sure um but most stuff
is so like by the way uniswap it's not that you couldn't see the code you could see the code you
just weren't allowed to touch it yeah it was they put a license on it they would sue you if you touched
it so just to be a little nuance there yeah yeah yeah and that's that's good on them to do that you
know that's taking the uh you know the the legal route uh in regards to that and there's nothing
wrong with trademarking code code or slapping intellectual property rights on it at all but
you know essentially you know for us for example you know we've been building sgx we have four
different versions of it we've been building it for the life of our project which is at at this point
close to 18 months you coming up on on two years somewhere in there and if we put everything out
you know front-end back-end and our contracts that's a turnkey perpetual exchange that you know
anybody could essentially just straight copy and launch it the next day you know something that took
us years of you know building and perfecting you know it would essentially give them you know everything
that we have spent money on and all our our all of our ideas essentially would allow them a platform
overnight and you know that is something that i am not personally willing to do you know i i fund our
utility builds out of pocket and um you know i'm i'm not in the uh the market to just kind of give
you know our little edges and advantages away if that makes sense but i'd love to hear more
i completely understand and from like to play devil's advocate to myself and and agree with you on
something it's like let's use another example uh lunar digital assets is uh a marketing and incubation
firm that that i'm the ceo of we don't just tell the whole world all of our secret sauce on how we
do marketing right so i totally understand the need to protect your your ip your you know your
intellectual property the stuff that you build the stuff that you put money into and like there's
lots of other ways we can argue this you can look at um patents for inventions you could look at
drug patents are these a positive or negative thing you could look at um copywriting music are
these a positive or negative thing there's good arguments for both sides so i'm not saying that
i don't think there's a place in the world for protecting things that you build or protecting
entrepreneurs so that they can benefit from the thing that they built and not just you know like
let's use an example and this is a very controversial one and this might illustrate how controversial this
is but a drug patent if a drug company like pfizer or take your you know drug company that everybody
seems to hate or punch right and and um and i i kind of maybe lean that way too but but let's just
take whatever drug company right and now they invent a drug let's let's say they invented a drug for uh
you know something like covid maybe i don't want to complicate let's say they invent a cancer cure
okay this drug cures cancer and now they say we recharge a million dollars to use this right and
and they have a patent on it and now you get cancer you got oh what you got 800 000 sorry
fuck off a million dollars right now i'm not saying that's a bad thing i like look they spent the time
to develop it they spent probably billions of dollars to get it to market etc should we tell them
hey no no drug patent uh which is kind of my argument in the web3 world is no we shouldn't
have a licenses on things let's let's make things open source so the world can build on them and
everybody can benefit and but i look would they build that thing if there was no protection over
their ip they might not right so there is an argument for both sides now my thing is like where i would
where i would probably be more on the side of patents in a normal uh like you know capitalistic
world i i lean a little more the other way in web3 because that's the origins of this industry
because i think open source is what makes this industry so beautiful and why i don't like things
like hedera hashgraph or other closed source like permission networks i think what makes crypto beautiful
is the open source nature of it and we should try to stick to that as much as possible and
and i did say with uniswap i don't think we i'm not saying we should shame people who put licenses
on products i just am not that's i'm not a fan of that i personally if i'm building something i'm
not licensing it i'm leaving it open so other people could build on it and i'm just gonna build
it and market it and do bd on it and build the best possible community and i'm gonna out compete
other people and that that happens in business right people copy ideas all the time right lyft copied
uber um but uber still did it the best right kind of that's that's how things work okay
i'll stop ranting hey rock so real quick so everything that y'all have y'all have built
y'all y'all open source as well i mean uh i mean i'm not aware of the answer so that's why i asked but
kind of going off of your stance on things it would lead me to believe that everything's open source
yeah so like an example is quick swaps ui we we built a new ui and we open sourced it and there's
over 20 or 30 dexes which have copied our ui uh all all of our like dragon's lair contracts
a ton of our stuff our our syrup pools all kinds of our stuff has been open source and literally
everyone just copies it like 20 30 40 50 probably hundreds of projects that we don't know of
have copied it i think one of the biggest uh dexes on on base uses ui's quick uh uh our user interface
they just change the name and color scheme so yeah we like everything that i am involved in
i'm pretty sure it's all open source as far as i know i'm almost sure 99 so if y'all if you were a
first mover on something and and you roll out something that hasn't been done yet i mean you
would make that completely open source and obviously you would always have the first mover advantage
but let's say you know a big multi-billion dollar company decides to come into the the playground
with you and you know they start making a large marketing push the kind of shadow or the place
a shadow over kind of what you have done even though they have built on top of the foundation that you
put out there i mean that is something you would do if you had first mover advantage and you and you
built something that has not been done yet in this space you would make it open source and um you know
yeah just generally but but with some caveats so like i i should say i'll give an example actually
of something where uh i guess you could argue i don't know i'll let you guys judge so with quick swap
uh we are building a new v2 perpetuals okay now we're building this with a partner uh and now what we've
told this partner is look we want to use this this your part of the technology and we're going to build
our parts of it and uh what we did say is we want exclusivity to use this product your project
uh on on polygon pos now anyone else can go use it and they can partner with anyone else they want on
any other chain but we have asked for exclusivity on pos which is our home so that's maybe an argument
for what you're saying i would i guess i could say but i'm the code is uh as far as i know going to be
open source but to use uh what makes this um it's not code that makes it the exclusivity it's the
market maker network on the back end so there's a ton of market makers on the back end that are
going to provide the liquidity for our new perps and uh basically what we're saying is those market
makers can only provide the liquidity for our perps they can't provide liquidity for the same
the same code launched on pos they can't they can't like be working with two different projects
because there's conflict of interest in how they can trade and stuff but um that's some kind of
exclusivity i guess you could say but generally code i would say no i i would want to open source
i can't say that i never would no project i ever work with will ever have something closed source i
can't say that but i i mean as far as i know everything we i've ever like put my name on
is all open source and i would love to keep it that way
long answer i hope that answered your question yeah absolutely did i mean there's there's nothing
wrong with having uh you know conflicting opinions in regards to this type of stuff or over anything
you know you know i just yeah i mean i'm even i mean in some ways i'm debating myself here right
i'm i'm showing both sides of it you know i like i said i think there is a like look let's use music
maybe that's another one where maybe the scale might tilt the other way we're in music i would
say being able to copyright music is generally probably a good thing to protect musicians who
struggle enough to make money in in that space and if you don't find a way for them to make money with
what they do well the the you know that trade that kind of dies right like when i go to jazz
clubs and stuff i donate a lot of money i try to spend a lot of money i was just at preservation
hall in orleans i donated a big amount to them because i thought that i want to keep jazz alive
you know so like in with music copyright i think is probably a good thing and i think maybe with drugs
to some extent and inventions probably there's a good place for it but i'm unsure you know like
what would happen to the world if drug companies couldn't patent their stuff would they truly stop
making drugs or would it open up innovation for drugs i think it would probably open up innovation
for drugs and they would just have to market better or like fight hard to to make money at the things
they do that's what i think but i i'm unsure i mean that's a good uh example to put out there and
refer you know in regards to the drug you know if somebody did come out with a cancer cure and uh you
know they essentially took the stance that you know yeah to have a dose of this or to cure your
cancer it was a million dollars obviously that's going to price out many many many people which i think is
pretty shitty in that regard um and it's happening right now right that's that's the current state
of the drug industry that's 100 the state right that happens all the time right like people can't
afford a life-saving medicine or they have to spend their entire life savings or go way into debt or sell
their house just to get a drug to save their mom or whatever that happens every day literally yeah
yeah yeah you're not right there's people dying all the time right all the time with this that's
that's the way the world is but i'm just curious like how it is any of this conversation like benefit
uh doge chain or dogenals because we are i was going to chime in but we kind of veered off i've been
i've been listening to you guys for a while i love it i like open source people should note it on
themselves i mean crypto is a wild wild west right so if people want to protect their project
what they've been working on for a while let them do that and if then later they make some money with
it and they can make it better then make it open source you know fuck it that's the way it is but
anyway i i got here because uh i i've been collecting nfts for a while and i've been checking these dogenals out
and actually i got very very excited about dogenals because what i see in dogenals happening is that
basically people from all kind of change coming over from bitcoin hbar like you said uh xrp ethereum
like all kind of change that's what i love about it because like the whole tribalism basically just
gets cut off because doge is like the meme token right it's a chosen meme token and then there will
be nfts and meme tokens on the meme token so it's like it's a whole new treasury that's being opened up
and you know that's that's where i'm here for guys i'm uh i'm very excited uh what's going to
happen like uh in the future and what i like what you said as well introduce yourself oh hey man i'm
i'm brandon i'm from the netherlands i'm a i'm a cave diver but i'm uh recently in the chile i'm
diving here i love to dive i love to teach free diving i love to teach people overcome their fears and
turn fear into a beautiful experience and uh yeah that i love to give love and just i love crypto
in general the whole the whole the whole community around it like because like these kind of conversations
i can never have with anybody else uh around in this globe right so it's like this is why i'm here sir
yeah and you yeah thank you welcome uh yeah we do tend to do that sometimes where we get off on
tangents on things but they're important issues and it's it's fun to discuss them here and you know
i think the audience kind of likes it but yeah we should try to we try to get back on topic when we
get too far yeah even yeah sorry sorry about topic here uh you guys veered off into uh into drugs and
everything but there is a silver lining uh which which actually relates to blockchain industry and
dot chain in particular for example uh on launch uh there weren't any uni swaps we had quick swap but
like bigger exchanges bigger dexes are not looking at these new chains that are you know have new
narratives meme narrative for uh for dot chain itself so uh smaller builders were able to fork like
different exchanges different dexes to be able to launch their own branding on on dot chain and uh
it actually helped a lot with the launch and uh you know people created like hundreds of six maybe more
than six hundred different projects within a week uh tokens and meme coins on on dot chain that were
were using these uh uh these dexes that were open source i think most of them were like forks of of
uniswap or uh pancake swap or something like that and uh most of them actually uh provided this uh
this vehicle for for users to to be able to trade these new coins and tokens on on dot chain with uh
with doge's gas so uh uh yeah it did contribute to the to the growth of of the chain uh especially in
its beginnings and uh building the community and building the the the uh the helping builders launch
their tokens so uh yeah i i think that it's it's pretty important this open sourceness remains like
an important cornerstone of of blockchain industry it's like evolution it's exactly evolution that's why i
call you know web 3 this like cambrian explosion of different code and technologies and projects
is like you know there was you know once ethereum launched that truly opened up the world to like
oh wait what can we build and then it was okay well let's build this and that was kind of garbage
so we built on top of that and then we we tweaked it a little more it's like you know there's you know
humans are still evolving right there's slight mutations in humans uh it works very slow but you know
a slight mutation is it better or worse does the project you know does the project win or does it
die does the human live more die more and uh then over time things just get better and better that's
why web 3 has grown so fast is because of the open source nature but enough with that let's get to
doge ordinals um yeah what do you think uh remember legend brendan what do you think about like do you
think i'm guessing from you saying you like ordinals do you think there's a negative to like
bitcoin ordinals flooding the chain and you and we we're looking at it from the angle of we think
that because bitcoin's chain is so flooded with them and the gas fees are so high that regular people
kind of can't participate they're being priced out do you think that we'll see a flow of bit yeah i mean
over the doge what what we yeah the thing is like what we've seen with uh with bitcoin ordinals that
a lot of people like it there's a lot of volume coming in is it good for the network no it slows
network yes it's the the network fees are getting higher yes so is that perfect for nfts personally
i don't think so uh in regards to doge right the the network fees are lower um i'm not sure how how
it will respond because if we if we have to see if if the the volume that we have been seeing what
happened to ordinals if that's going to happen to doge right we can't we can't we can't we can't
judge it yet right so uh because it didn't happen so but i'm quite curious actually um however uh i do
trade also other nfts other chains like i'm just in crypto all the all the coins are i'm i'm interested
in like they all have different benefits for example xrp that's what i started with with nfts because
there were almost no transaction costs and there was almost no fees right there's a lot of people don't
even know there's nfts there so i'm just very curious how this is gonna roll out like personally
i think that doge is gonna it's gonna go berserk i think all these these tokens these you can see
that binance is now slowly adjusting and accepting the the dcr20 tokens so yes there's definitely things
cooking up and uh yeah i don't think that bitcoin is really uh made for nfts and ordinals however we see
there's a lot of people going there because it's a big papa right everybody's using bitcoin um doge
however is uh a little bit uh cheaper with transaction costs as well and faster so how and there is also
a big community from ilo mask and all these all these all these people right it's it's a very big
community so however i think i do think that doge will do very well actually with uh with the nfts and
these your 20s and all these tokens that's what i think sir same yeah i agree with that uh i think
that um it uh doge will serve like a uh a side chain for bitcoin ordinals because uh eventually bitcoin
ordinals will get priced out especially in a bull market uh where there's a lot of transactions on the
on the chain itself uh and uh single inscriptions start to get into the the four or five figures just
to mint a single one uh that's uh that's going to to push away people that are priced out into uh
into cheaper chains that are still proof of work uh and the best uh next thing is uh of course dogecoin
with uh and still it's not 100 uh positive reception from the dogecoin community because
it's the same narrative it will clog up the chain eventually uh if there's too many of it
too much of it and uh that's what people are are saying at least so it's it's still a 50 50 uh
acceptance you know for adoption on on doginals in the community itself even though uh as you said
earlier uh brendan that uh on on dogecoin we are seeing uh people that are actually from completely
different ecosystems joining into the into this hype like from from xrp from uh um like litecoin even
though uh cardinals can be done on litecoin people you know prefer doge because doge can be mined as a
as a side uh product of of litecoin bitcoin people are also moving slowly to to dogecoin orinals so
yeah i think that uh there will be a lot of uh uh attention on these uh new types of assets on the
dogecoin pow network that said with that said uh there's still the issue of utility and plugging them
into web3 now uh proof of work uh ordinals uh have still like proof of work uh coins they have limited
utility when when they're not on a smart contract chain so uh you you can do like uh limited stuff
with uh with your nfts or on dogecoin pow uh or with the with the meme coins uh the the fungibles
but uh still yeah you can trade them on centralized exchanges or on uh or on on escrow exchanges and
stuff like that but still you are lacking a lot of that utility that that comes with the web3 and and
the evm uh stuff that's offered by by chains like ethereum and the dot chain as well so uh what we're
thinking here and what we're discussing is our main narrative is always to provide more utility to
dogecoin uh our first uh move towards that it was provided providing this evm chain that that everybody
knows now uh the chain of memes and dreams where dogecoin is used as gas so you can bridge your
doge pow onto doge chain uh get wrapped doge and uh pay for gas you know plug it into defy as well
like lending protocols dexes start trading decentralized uh exchanges with your doge
some some pretty uh advanced stuff that that you couldn't do previously you know
the centralized exchanges uh in my opinion are uh will be either highly regulated in the future or
uh will uh will uh will be very very closed uh garden for a lot of people depending on when where
you are in the world and how regulations impact uh cryptocurrencies in your country and um dexes
is uh is the way of the future web3 is uh is the way of the future and uh providing more utility
to doge was our first thing and now we're thinking about doing the same thing for doginals as well
because if you can plug them into uh nft marketplaces on evm bridge them over on doge chain
and and be able always to bridge them out back into the onto the uh doge pow so you can uh for
example put them onto uh uh nfc marketplaces you get royalties for them uh uh stake them or uh use
use them like in pawn shops like we have like on our uh on one of the nft exchanges which are on uh
on doge chain like mantra they have like this pawn shop for um for um uh nfts and uh it will increase
the utility and uh provide these doginals with with more than what they have the on the on the
on the legacy dogecoin pow chain i think it seems like the logical conclusion
i think it's a logical conclusion for ordinals is like people are going to want to do more with
them and so people are trying to build this tooling on the proof of work chains themselves but that's
difficult um it's very difficult because there's no smart contract it's i mean there's there is smart
contracts but they're not touring complete they're incredibly limited like it was an incredible
like it was an incredible uh innovation that people were even able to make these ordinals it was a very
clever obfuscated like a kind of off chain uh like these ordinal serial numbers that people like kind
of just made up and then but it really does work and it is on chain so uh but like the system itself
the ordinals the ordinal serial numbers are not actually on chain but you can still make the the
the ordinals live on on chain in a clever way but you can't build all the other well i should i should
never say can't can't or that you'll never build something it's incredibly hard to build all the tooling that's on
uh you know evm so to me i think there's a good chance that these um like you're already seeing
it i mean people are already bridging ordinals to like ethereum and stuff to be able to like use you
know on d5 there and i think uh that's bitcoin ordinals i don't know i don't think there's any
doge going to ethereum yet but i think for doge it would make a lot of sense why encourage people to
put their doge ordinals on ethereum which which gives ethereum miners and ethereum stakers and ethereum
holders and openc in those places gives them the profit of the transaction fees and everything
why not put that that all that activity on doge chain which is built purposefully for doge and uses doge
as gas doge is the main currency everything is doge themed it's a it's a it's a place where we you know
kind of worship the doge worship the dog you know so i think it makes a lot of sense to embrace this this
new technology with doge chain yeah and just a touch chime in there rock um when you think of
what nfts are they're like digital communities right and doge dogecoin is like literally you know
embodies that i think it's why it's able to break through people's tribalism on different chains
so i think it as like a chain and its potential it has even a greater ability to adopt digital communities
on it and i i think more than bitcoin i think yeah i mean it just seems like so much i'm surprised that
doge ordinals aren't massively exploding already i i think they have a really good shot at having a
massive explosion like bitcoin and they kind of i mean they are but to a smaller extent i think it's
going to be really big though because this is like you're talking who's going to be embraced nft stuff
more bitcoin maxis yeah or doge people i mean it seems obvious exactly that that's the whole point
right everything what you see right now happening in ordinals it's going to happen in doge but yeah
people still have to adapt like that's always what's happening it's like it just takes time just takes
time like the same with bitcoin punks and everything like i think these things were in august
right and now we're like almost like a year later and then these things are starting to go that's that's
how it is the early birds gets the worm guys ether rocks too ether rocks were i think the first or
some of the first nfts on ethereum and they were made early they were made in like 2017 or 18 and then
they didn't really get the end same with um um crypto punks i think they were super early and they
didn't get a lot of traction but then later on these things are worth you know some of the millions and
so i think the early bird catches the worm in the first mover uh wins the race so i i really want to
see doge chain help embrace this this phenomenon because i i think it's worth look i'm not guaranteeing
and this is not a financial advice or anything but i'm i'm i i'm gonna place a big bet on doge
ordinals because i just think that i i think it's gonna happen i i could be wrong don't hold it against
me if i'm wrong uh but i'm gonna personally be like investing a lot of my time energy and money into
into doge ordinals in in and the infrastructure that doge chain can provide to doge ordinals
yeah exactly look as i as i previously said we we are looking to uh provide the doge community all of
the doge community with the with the more utility for for their support of the dogecoin cryptocurrency that
includes the ordinals and the fungibles that are that are on on the dogenals protocol so uh it's
only logical for us to be uh uh trying to to put out some tooling for uh for bridging ordinals onto
doge chain and uh and uh and out of course uh two-way bridge of course always and uh being able to use
them into uh into define web3 on on on doge chain so uh yeah the the main idea is to uh is to support
this uh the the entire community of uh of dogecoin supporters brendan do you have any uh any favorite
bitcoin ordinals or doge ordinals uh anything you want to tell us about anything we should be keeping
an eye on some of the bitcoin prices are just ridiculous though by the way i can't even believe
it i i it's hard for me to touch things that are that it feels a little frothy on the bitcoin side
doge ordinals seem like undervalued and haven't hit their their inflection point but bitcoin ordinals i i
worry that some of them are a little frothy personally i go for uh low inscriptions ones or
like basically the the historical data ones right the ones that were the first so like sub 10k sub 20k these
kind of things i'm i'm always looking for uh to buy you you have some sub 10ks yeah yeah yeah actually
there is actually there's some for sale if you go to the doge market and i think if you go to the number
one nft that's the the doji let me name it let me look it up though help everyone on the space for
people who aren't doing this already tell tell everyone exactly walking through it how do we go to the
what you basically do you go to doggy dot market right there you basically open up a wallet or you
use your keys already from the doge wallet you have and you send some doge over and then you
basically can buy straight from that market off and you see a top 10 you see you see doge maps are very
there they've been bought a lot there have been 707 buys in the last hour i'm just checking it now
so the one i've been talking about is the doge doginal mini doge so i bought one this morning just for
historical data because i just like to collect that because that for me that makes the most sense because
exactly what you just said like these things matter in time uh uh so yeah that's that's where
i go for and for the rest you should just look for something you like right and and uh and and
something used and something if you buy nfts you shouldn't buy it like to make profit right you should
also just get it because you like it because uh or else you're gonna hurt your fingers so that this
this is if you want to make profit i choose always for historical data and then just keep it for
keep it for a long term i did this with xrp as well i did this for for hbar i did this with
all the other change i like to collect the early early nfts because that makes more sense to me
because that that will be tradable later on nice so we're gonna be i think there's a high likelihood if
the community wants to do it uh doing some grants once so what our our goal is and this could be
redeveloped you know by like like uh foundation devs or it could be there's some third parties
that we're talking to about building a bridge from um the doge proof of work chain to doge chain
um so that you can take your doge ordinals that are minted on doge and then bridge them and turn
them into like a a dog 721 or like on our chain they're like dog 20s or uh it'll be i think it's dog
it would be 721 or whatever for nfts but a bridge so you know we're looking at building a bridge uh
for people to use but we're also encouraging third parties to build these things and we can
support if if they're trusted teams or stuff but uh and we're talking to some teams but that's the
goal is to make a bridge where you can we where you can mint your ordinals on doge and then bring
them over to doge chain and do more stuff with them and you know we could be right now we're
transitioning to become a polygon cdk chain which is a layer two of ethereum and um and so you'll have
like the full security of ethereum and you'll have uh bridging to all like so essentially what you could
do is you could you could bridge your your uh your um your drc 20 to become a dog whatever 20 or 721
whatever uh on doge chain and then it can move now anywhere on ethereum trustlessly no no trusted
bridges uh that's that that's the goal um so yeah if people who are interested in doing that
start reaching out and uh and start like maybe talking in the community about hey this is what i
want to build like is you know can the community vote to give me a grant or invest in my project
but i will probably talk more about this soon of like an official program uh that the community can
vote on and so we want everyone keep talking about this stuff give us ideas what do you guys want to
see in these proposals this is all up to the community so um yeah i think i think it's a
really cool idea and i think if doge chain community can first move on this i think it's a really smart
idea and i think those there's like doge chain um projects uh and nfts like launch a collection on
doge ordinals because at some point i i'm you know i can't say for sure but at some point i think they'll be
able to bridge to to dose chain so go play on ordinals and um and then you know we can do grants for
people to bring those collections over to dose chain hey we have a new speaker by the way oh go
ahead who do we have we have breezy who is also an nft aficionado holistic health and nfts um yeah breezy
you uh you asked uh to uh to be brought up as speaker do you have any opinions on on any of this
we've been discussing dogenals and uh bitcoin oreos etc tied in with doge chain of course yeah what's up
guys um i'm new to the doge chain so i'm just trying to get some info more info from you guys i came over
from the ethereum network but i'm seeing that doge is starting to get some nfts on it i popped on the doge
labs website i purchased a few of the first ones but i was kind of curious do you guys know what
the first nft project on doge was so the first dcr20 token is basically doki so you could what you
saw with uh happening at ordinals right you saw ordi you've probably seen the token ordi that pumped
like crazy i would say that's like the doge is the one of doge in that in that sense token wise
it's not an nft yeah what's the first nft i don't know however i do know what is like a sub 10 collection
or sub 20k is the dogenal mini doges and that floor price is now 1640 doge nah something like that
wow that's that's pretty astonishing i i'm uh friends with some people at in the eth community
and i think they're going to be launching a project on there it's called uh dogenal dogs and they
have a lot of engagement on twitter i think uh it might be worth checking out
breezy if you go to uh and and the rest of the audience if you go to doggy.market you can just look
through all these collections um some of them have good art but it looks like a lot of these are kind of
rushed and and also i think there's limitations right because it's on chain so you can't have like
you can't have like 3d or any crazy art but even for you know i'm gonna be honest here i think that
there stands a lot to be done here because even for low pixel count uh yeah these collections that
even the higher up ones i mean they're okay uh there's some that are pretty cool but like i think
like rdps on and even and and uh doge bears on on doge chain and uh and a bunch of uh of these uh
real uh uh sorry uh tdh the drug tuskies there's a ton of collections on doge chain that are like way uh
superior to many of these that i'm looking at but they are limited in pixel count so that's part of the
reason but rdps are limited in pixel count and they're amazing because they spent like nine months on the
art a lot of these look kind of rushed to be honest or just clones of other things but no no diss no
diss but i think there's plenty of room to break in there yeah i think um this one seems pretty hyped
like they're doing a whole whitelist process and everything they're releasing uh 10 000 pixel dogs
inscribed for doge how do we find them um this might be a shill it's your friends but that's okay yeah
yeah it's it's a it's a free minute so i'm not here to show i don't uh it just might oh it's free yeah
it might be interesting to look look at so it's called at dogenal dogs
at uh oh is that their twitter that's their twitter yes all right let's we can check it out
and so how does how does this free mint work what do people got to do do you know um so i know they
have a discord and they it's kind of just about engaging with the community so if you look at all
their tweets they have a lot of engagement so they're really building a big community i think
this could be one of the most hype mints that comes to the doge cool uh you know what if you
want to um have them reach out to us we can talk about even uh i'm looking at it now i don't see i
guess they haven't uh released the art it looks like but um we're uh we're looking for projects who
want to partner with doge chain and like do mints on doge but then bridge them to doge chain to do
whatever staking or royalties or whatever all this kind of stuff and so we could support them uh you
know i depending on if the project's actually a good project right we don't know but just generally
saying anyone out there if you're interested and you're a dogenal project or you want to build a
dogenal project and come and bridge either part of your you could even say bridge half of your
collection to doge chain and leave half on doge native uh and then we could give a grant for bringing
half of the collection to doge chain uh or do half of the mint somehow uh you know whitelisted to doge
chain holders or doge holders on doge chain so there's there's like um uh i think like seven
million dollars worth of doge on doge chain so maybe they could do like a whitelist that for people
that hold doge on doge chain they could go get the mint or whatever do the free mentor you know and
we could give a grant or we could uh or do or we could you know there's other creative things we've
done in the past with like uh nfts and and mean points that we could do like uh where the doge
chain foundation does a vote to buy x you know amount of these nfts on the open market which
helps with the price and then the doge found the doge chain community owns that collection basically
or owns part of the collection i mean but yeah there's all kinds of things we could do so we're
trying to encourage people to come to do doge ordinals and somehow tie them into doge chain come
trade them on doge chain etc yeah man i'm gonna be honest you're
speaking a little over my head i'm just a collector but uh i will dm you after this
and i'll get you there uh yeah that sounds good i'll send them a dm too i see the page yeah let
them know and this this is not just a message to them this is just a random project i don't know
who these guys are i'm not endorsing them i'm just saying anyone building doge ordinals come talk to us
come talk to the doge chain community we want to be involved
and we've got a large war chest so that helps and and i personally have a large war chest to support
okay so uh milo requested speaker rights as well just uh earlier i think he's uh
also with uh bullish on the drc20 narrative so uh milo you can introduce yourself uh provide
some feedback on what you think yo hi how are you guys doing um i'm milo i've been in the space
since 21 um well in the nft space in the crypto space i've been around since 2012 when my brother
gave me my first litecoin and half a bitcoin for my birthday um dodginals um we used to mine dodge in
the back of my mom's house um it's wild live out in south africa um things a little bit cheaper uh
to mine so when you look at the roi versus what you guys pay overseas kind of like works out much
better for us but anyway long story short my man breezy was up um yeah look i i also got to introduce
the dodginals to you guys community is unbelievable um i've worked with multiple communities as a community
manager of both multiple discords for big 10 000 uh collections that were you know trending at one
point and i'll tell you one thing these guys bring fire they bring commitment they bring uh
it's a breath of fresh air coming back to hearing a group with that kind of zest energy vibe um positivity
uh the way they choose their white lists are unbelievable um it's not like you gotta beg for
it you gotta you gotta prove to them why you want it you gotta explain you gotta talk to them it's not
about just hitting you know woof woof woof woof and you're expecting to get a white list um it's pretty
cool i urge you guys just to look into it not um you know uh financial advice uh but yeah pretty cool
i'm sorry i'm happy to be part of them or are you just saying doge ordinals in general no no the
specific uh dodginals uh which project uh can i pin it to the top uh sure it's we'll allow a little
shilling here okay hold on let's see by the way just because it's pinned to the top guys it's not an
endorsement i don't know what this he could be pinning foreign i don't know what he's going to post
so it's not an endorsement we're just going to let him throw it up there because we're all trying
to learn about this stuff together
oh i don't know this is becoming a doge ordinals chill uh space
yeah that was not my intention uh like the no worries
it's just a fact right like what what are like the the sub 10k ones and everything and then
yeah yeah they just matter and like i'm not here to chill i'm just here to say spread facts basically
so yeah like uh i can take it off if necessary it's there's no no no it's fine i want i want i'm
trying to encourage the dose chain community to dig more into this stuff i think you know there's only
so much we as you know the dose chain contributors or you know foundation and stuff can do we want the
community to to to figure this out is this something that's interesting we're seeing a lot of people in
the community they're very interested in it and i know from like the the contributors level and and
like you know all the people i'm talking to there's a lot of people who are really interested in this
but you know nobody knows really where to start you know yes so true i mean like it was literally just
to amplify what you said before that historical data matters right like that what you saw with this
ethereum with these rocks and and all these other crazy nfts in a sense right so yeah it's i just want
everybody to make it and uh like if you're if you're partable if you take time to be to take
if you take your time to be part of these spaces right it's it's good to have some uh some valuable
information for uh for your future yeah just i mean sometimes it just requires getting your hand on
the stuff right like i know like bitcoin ordinals i heard about i heard about i heard about i heard about
i didn't look i i just you know it was more like abstract to me um until i actually started playing
with them and going to the websites and looking at the collections same thing with nfts for me you
know i was late to the nft game and i'm still not like a huge nft person um but like it was actually
real dose punks on dose chain that was the first thing that really got me to care about nfts and
got me to see like okay these people aren't crazy this is like actually really fun you become part of
a community you you choose ones that you know you feel like are like you you know like i've said i got
my dad one that's a it's a fisherman uh rdp with uh laser eyes bitcoin laser eyes and um mine is a
lightsaber uh with laser eyes my main one uh but i have hundreds of them but um you know there's a
lot that i thought were cool but uh i think i got cindy one with a sushi and uh i forgot i got my
little nephew one i forget which one i got them now but anyways they're just they're fun and if these
are fun and once you start playing with them and getting your hands on them you start to really see
like okay this is actually like not just a bunch of weirdos it's not just a bunch of gamblers
there's definitely some gambling to it and some you know speculation and excitement around that
but it's also you know the art is fun and the communities are the the to me the funnest part of
it the the most exciting thing is when you get when you become part of one of these communities
everyone's so encouraging you know they're so like hyping each other up if you buy one and you join
the community they're all like hey we're so happy to have you and you know cool like let's post
screenshots and stuff and it's just fun yeah man i i think uh it's also really bridging the eth guys
over to the doge chain because i haven't really bought anything on doge i haven't even bought
dogecoin until a few weeks ago now i'm seeing a bunch of eth guys sitting up their doge wallets
and everyone is saying like what other chain would you rather launch a meme coin on right
doge is the the meme coin it's older than ethereum so this doge no dogs community is crazy like if
you look at the tweet that uh he pinned up top look at the engagement on these tweets so
there's a very hyped mint coming to doge soon yeah we're talking to some builders in in asia about
like you know uh building some of these like kind of wallet bridge infrastructure trying to get start
working with some of these you know doginals projects um and seeing how we can tie them into
doge chain which is you know for those who don't know is basically a smart contract layer on top of
doge that uses doge's gas so we're talking to these people in asia and and apparently like doge
ordinals are huge in southeast asia in japan there's like a ton of people talking about because
a lot of these like kind of developing nations the maybe maybe third world countries they can't
afford the bitcoin gas fees they just can't it's out they're priced out so doge is a place of where
people can participate who can't afford the bitcoin stuff which is like that's what i actually have
built a lot of my career on i'm co-founder of quick swap and that's what quick swap was we we
forked uniswap and we provided it on top of polygon where people could trade for under a penny or a
hundredth of a penny or whatever they could trade and we saw people from you know nigeria from a lot
from latin america we had i think most of our users early on were from like uh african countries so uh
that was really interesting to see that you know these people just couldn't afford to trade on
ethereum so they were coming to polygon and so i think that's where i i see you know i always said
polygon would be a release valve for ethereum when the fees got too high and it did and that's how
polygon took off and how quick swap took off and got to you know a billion a day in volume a billion
dollars a day in volume at its peak is b is was was through that was through being a release valve
for ethereum and i think that's my theory now my investment thesis kind of about and why i'm looking
into uh doge ordinals so uh you know i'm so enthusiastic about learning about this is because
i think doge ordinals may become the release valve for bitcoin order well you know rock that makes a lot
of sense in terms of like why doge is popular in southeast asia there's a big tipping culture out
there especially for like game streaming and stuff so that makes a lot of sense definitely and for some
reason yeah it's maybe the same reason that doge chain um has been so popular in asia you know like
um when andrew was out in uh japan uh he did a doge uh doge chain slash doge meetup and there was
a ton of people coming all these people that love doge chain there's a lot of doge and doge
chain people in asia it's like huge in asia yeah we actually they they actually started up a discord
and they're adding multiple language channels because they're getting so much interest from
outside countries oh yeah they're talking about the doge um yeah the doge dogs did discord
what's the discord can you post a comment and uh i'll join and check it out yeah i'll post it up um
look i'm from south africa and i'll tell you one thing there's probably about five board ape holders
or mutant holders um and you know the entry point for the normal person or for the masses is is pretty
pretty high and um coming in with the lower sort of um entry level i would say entry level um into the
meme coin doge network yeah man i mean africa is a bread basket i mean you know you've got ten dollar sales
times 50 million maybe even more uh two three four hundred million in africa and you know you're
looking at the us and you know you've got maybe 20 million or 30 million you know hundred dollars
you make more money in africa bottom line i mean i live here i know it i run a business i've run a
cannabis farm i've run uh waste management uh construction i've done quite a lot and i'll tell
you um it lower entry point the masses will definitely bite yeah look at i mean seriously
i'll go back to that example quick swap was doing okay so on what we saw was uniswap on ethereum had an
average trade size of it was something like 10 or 20 000 average trade size and on quick swap on on
matic which is now polygon uh with the there was a lot of trades like there were 50 cent trades and
things like that but i think our average trade uh was like five dollars for the first like six months
of quick swap and and it was in that time uh i'm sure that average price went up over time as we but
we you know we hit a billion dollars a day you know in us dollar denominated value us dollar a million
dollars a day in trading and it was from much smaller traders right the bigger traders yeah
they're on ethereum the the board ape yacht club people yeah they're on ethereum but the people who
can't afford that are on things like polygon uh they're on doge ordinals they're on solana where
the gas fees are cheaper right they're not uh they're not trading on ethereum it's just it prices
people out i think it's going to become a settlement layer bitcoin settlement layer doge is more of a
functional layer that's why elon you know talks about it as you know this is what you spend you
you you actually use as a functional layer you spend it has money velocity it's not where you
hoard you know elon talks about how bitcoin you know is for hoarding value but doge is for spending
value that's why he's not as much of a fan of burns on on uh doge but interestingly you know
in a controversial thing i don't know what elon's gonna say about uh doge ordinals because like he wants
it to be like money that you spend and you don't hoard and that's why he mentioned he wasn't a big
fan of burns about doge but then he dropped a tweet recently saying but you're the jpeg should be at
least on the blockchain he was responding to doge designer uh i think it's cb doge uh is the account
i'll find it yeah he said it should be what's that yeah i remember that post he said it should be it
should be a printed on the blockchain or stay on the blockchain is what he said you know that's
controversial for him because if if doge ordinals pick up enough then you won't be able to send
doge for for you know cheap pennies anymore to do transactions to buy coffee and stuff or tip right
it will price people out and i but i think here's my opinion that's inevitable so that's why and
bitcoiners think it's inevitable that's why even though some i mean that's what it's weird bitcoiners
contradict themselves because on one hand you have bitcoiners saying we don't want bigger blocks
fees will get high it'll become a settlement layer and you'll do all your your actual transactions on
lightning network liquid network whatever side chains layer twos but then when uh ordinals come
along and start driving up the prices which increases the security of the network and the
miner revenue um but increases prices so you can't do day-to-day transactions well isn't that what the
whole roadmap for bitcoin was is the gas fees or the mining fees are going to get too high
so we'll have to build other layers but now they're pissed that the gas that the mining fees
are getting too high it's it's contradictory and i think elon is a little bit contradictory there too
and i love him he's my favorite person but what does he want does he want doge to be you know the
layer for uh like tipping and buying coffee and and not hoarding and no burning or does he want
ordinals there because ordinals will clog up the chain i'm being a little controversial here but
yeah i don't know how he would think about that what do you guys think well in my mind
rock i i think that the the beauty about doge and the power in doge is its community
you know so like anything that increases or reinforces that community is ultimately good
for doge now it might change its narrative a little bit you know but like it's the beauty
about the people and the amount of wallets in it that gives it the power it's the people that give it
the power yeah look at that i'm gonna be honest here man the doge community has a lot of fair
weather people who like when the price is going up they're active and you know there's some that
are hardcore and they're always active right and look at doge chain was building in the bear market
for doge but there's a lot of people who they only come when the price is up but now that you have
doge ordinals and you have doge chain you can build stuff on it there's a huge there's huge communities
that are active all year that may be active all year around because there's more to do on it i think
that's a good thing so i just got into dogenals about three maybe three weeks ago and let me tell
you there there's some people in this space that are working every day day and night and they want
to do good and giving away stuff to people so there's one guy i follow and i i got in and i heard one
spaces with this guy and his energy was just amazing and that's swizz he uh runs uh doge punks
and the guy's got a map for for airdrops for his community for the next two years there's also
another guy eight bit that's been putting out labradoges that is just amazing art there's people
here and they're giving stuff away and they're giving it away to the community not no big influencers
not anybody that's not here if you're engaging and around they're giving it but if if you got you know
somebody who has put work in and can give airdrops for two years man once once one airdrop a week
that's wild and i also wanted to say dogenals you know but let's go man like we're here
i love the energy cory do you want to introduce yourself yeah sorry appreciate for coming up uh
um cory from miami uh like i said been in crypto for i don't know four three four years now um i i i
found a friend who actually was in an alpha group with me and uh he uh posted about doobie what you
guys were talking about earlier bridging the eth and doge communities and so then when i looked at it
and i was like oh wait a second oh is that like movie yeah it's like it's just like movie actually
but it's just gonna be on doge and but i'm not actually our team might be talking to them already
okay cool excuse me i'm talking no uh-oh sorry i got many hold on so um yeah so they he uh posted that
in our little uh telegram chat and then i started looking into it i'm like man wait a second like
what could be bigger here than this narrative like they're they were just looking to trade
and they've only bought doobie and and that was it and i'm like no wait a second guys like
doge chain dogenals doge one launching soon on elon's platform okay rest of me let's go like hello
so like and that's why now like you'll see people down in here i know a bunch of people down in this room
like just recently but i'll be here every day like this is what this is what i'm gonna do i'm
tired of sitting there on east trying to trade shit coins and and that i'm done with that like no
like i'm gonna get airdrops and everything whitelist like okay i'm here let's go
yeah i love that i love the concept of like free or very cheap mints and like i think it also gets if you
do like free mints it's hard to do because of sybil attack but like people basically pretending
to be multiple people to get multiple drops or whatever and then just one person gets the whole
drop it's a problem but but if you can solve for that which is difficult to do uh it's it's cooler to
see people like just put something out to the market and then if it actually is a good product
and good art and good community and and you know good you know whatever founders or people involved
uh then the thing will go up over time and then they just keep some of the mint for themselves let's
say a whatever an nft collection they give out you know 9 500 and they keep 500 for themselves
and then uh just hoping that you know this thing they give them for free and then hoping that someday
they'll have a value and if they don't have value then theirs are worth something that's i mean to me
that's a like a better kind of fundraising method is like put the product out let people if people
believe in it and it gains a value of naturally and organically then your thing is worth money now
so you have a vested interest in trying to create value for the community i had back i think this
was like a few months ago i ran a free mint bot so freeman bot makes it to where any new mint that
is coming out that's free um if it's within the categories of a certain spend because again you
got a mint uh you're paying gas fees and everything you're cutting out a little michael um is
something maybe you're on a weird yeah oh so i was just saying i was running a free mint bot okay
and it is really hard for communities to to to be able to rally around a free mint just because like
uh for liquidity kind of like social sharing and everything it is pretty pretty difficult but if you're
able to do it properly it's a really great experience because then users have basically unlimited upside
because they they they only spent to mint so that there's no speculation on monetary you know monetary
gain mike your your your your mike's messed up yeah it's not it's not going it's you could hear what
you're saying but it's a struggle hey uh while he's trying to fix his mic i just wanted to say if uh
anybody in here is new or anything like that and wanted to uh follow those guys i posted i posted swizz's um
um his profile below in the comments the doge uh dogs uh discord um and uh dope doges uh discord down
below cool we'll check them out again anything people post here guys like there's no just because
speakers are on the stage some of the people on the stage we don't even know so just it's not
endorsements but just yeah look into them sure yeah do your own research it's just for you know you're in
here that's it that's why they're posted below not up top and you know but uh if you want and dm me
also cory all right we'll do and thank you for your service uh as an army vet by the way and i think uh
breezy also thanks for your service as a marine uh i appreciate it thanks and shout out to breezy
a separate five yacht
michael all right try again yeah it's better yeah okay cool cool yeah sorry i was uh i was talking
about kind of like i ran a freeman bot a while back and majority of the projects that were doing
freements um you know it was really really like one of the analytics i saw was like it was really really
difficult for them to be able to rally um basically rally community support and community growth for
like longevity unless they were already kind of like prepared for uh like i think out of like
it was probably like four or five but the thing about the analytics like if you're able to do it
properly get the community to rally and be a part of it as well um it it usually tends to do really
well so as long as you guys are focusing all you know all into the community and building as much
as you can but once again value that's that's going to be given to the community usually multiplies tenfold
so how do people stop from civil attack michael i mean what is the solution there i i didn't think
there really was good solutions but i know people still do freements and you know there's like some
of them are successful but how do you stop from civil attack the civil attack of like uh like
basically having it to where the bots just eat up the entire supply yeah where one person just tries
to pretend these 50 people that's what so like for those who don't know civil attack is is when you
like you know we were talking about on the last space where they were saying well it's not fair that
if you own a bunch of a token you have a bigger voting power than someone else it should be one vote per
person and some people argue that satoshi originally wanted one vote per cpu when he made the mining uh
uh you know algorithm um but i mean that that doesn't happen right because someone can just spin
up more computational power by multiple cpus right um so it can't be one person one vote uh unless you
there are ways people try to solve for this but unless you have like identity attached or some kind of
proof of life or you know you're using your usi you know id maybe or something i mean other than
that it becomes very hard and people try to build all these systems to stop it like okay it has to be
a wallet that's at least one year old and has to have yeah that's actually where it is the the
limitations of it so like not a brand new wallet can be able to mint it um because usually for those
you'll just get botted up the the second portion is making it to where the mint is live for a set amount
of blocks and anyone basically there's a delay um this this prevents the sniper bots from entering
in at block zero whenever the contract is minted and open and live so that they don't just go in
right away mint and then don't do anything with it what happens is that if you put a block delay of like
let's say for polygon you put it for you know 200 blocks or something any and you don't release
the contract at all to the public what happens is that any con any wallets that are trying to interact
between the block that was issued so let's say block zero to block 200 is blacklisted because those
are for guaranteed for sure either um you know those are guaranteed for sure bots that are going to be
placed in it and then you open it up because usually afterwards bots usually have like two opportunities
um to be able to get into a contract first one is the the sniping portion and then the second one is
basically if they meet some of the qualifications um and there's similar qualifications so if there was
like a previous mint and everyone's using that mint's requirements as a standard it's just a copy and
paste um so usually getting a unique kind of like a a unique uh criteria separates some of the the bigger
freemans from you know anyone in the community could just join so like for example if you make it to
where hey this person uh has to have at least you know one medic in the wallet that could be a requirement
and stuff but i've seen some really really creative ways that they've uh gamified how freemans and then
also gamified uh how some of the communities would rally and and and receive benefits uh perks and stuff
like that through some of the nfts just because they they qualified all right man good info there
anybody that's uh that's trying to to do some freemans this is some good information dm michael
to get some more info on this uh moving on uh we got uh crypto for life who is a builder on on dot chain uh
we have uh have him as speaker today i i he's not moving on a little bit out of dogenals into uh
into dot chain uh based tokens here so uh yeah we could already you have the floor man
man that's so awesome y'all hopefully y'all can hear me okay
yep mic problems earlier so i just wanted to check mic check real quick all good awesome i just want
to say first off man i really want to give my hats off to y'all for like continuing to work on this
change or this bear market i got the chance to join in dc on launch like i you know bridged some stuff
over and it was like early shivs and just kept bringing more and more tvl over and as soon as all the
decks have started opening up like my goal was just to be a really just a strong liquidity provider
for the chain because i mean i love memes i love i think what i love most about everything about this
space is really just like you know essentially building community out of nothing right and
watching the community rally around a project is like the most fulfilling thing for me in this space
i mean i've been in it for i don't know four point a half years or something like that now and
i've watched the ebbs and flow now of a couple markets some of y'all been here a lot longer but
i just want to say thank you foremost for for everything you guys are doing you guys did an
upgrade on the evm chain and that went flawless with the new rpc everything's flowing a lot better
i'm super excited about the zk evm rollout and everything that's going to entail with that i think
it's just going to open us up because i mean with this dodginals here and dodge chain and uh or doge
chain and and our evm here i just i love the idea of all the fact that all these different communities
across the ecosystem like you don't have to be a maxi here like you get to just really enjoy the space and
be able to enjoy each other's company and just build i think i love that part the best out of
all this so i just want to say thank you for everything y'all are doing uh for doing all the
projects for supporting the projects still building on dc i mean uh that dalvo to ramp up some of the
projects that we're just building and and investing into those i think that really just set the stage
for me to say this is where i want to stay this is where i keep on building and so uh i just want
to say shout out to y'all shout out to all the projects still here they didn't just like abandon i know
there's a lot of decks out there with a lot of tvl that's going to be stuck in this migration i
certainly feel for all of them and hopefully something happens with that and they're able to
to work something out but super excited to do the migration launch um i've been involved in a lot
of different projects um right now we've got aubergine that's uh that rolled out i'm super pumped about
that we've been like one of the top you know mean coins on the chain for the past couple weeks
we're bringing in some volume and uh really we brought a lot of other people from other chains too and so
i think it's really awesome to watch the whole thing grow see what's going on here and i just
want to say a big shout out and thank you for having me up here and just to say hello and uh
introduce myself and um and just give thanks to y'all really because y'all are making this possible
for all of us really just to get together here and have a good time which is what it's really all about
cheers man what's your name uh so i i go uh by uh crypto for life right is my handle but i've got
liquidity uh for life is the twitter because that's what was available but most people on telegram
now know me as like exit lp for life because i tend to buy the tops and everyone dumps on me and so
i get to you know be everyone's exit like liquidity uh which i need to sometimes man don't worry about
it yeah especially because i just never sell so i'm just like hodl these things man that's it but
cool man that's it especially and that's just it you get into a project that you like care about
people you don't want to dump on them you just want to keep buying and trading it and
i give away way more than i think i keep and i think it's just i just enjoy giving and uh you
know if that puts a smile on someone's face or uh they get to go buy a free coffee or something then
then so be it you know i i'm all for like spreading the wealth you know i'm a big capitalist um but i
i really believe in giving to others and and making an environment where people can feel special uh and
be a part of something right and i think that's what i'm just most excited about and the growth that
this chain is offering everybody here nice man yeah thanks appreciate the support and uh appreciate
you building on on doze chain and then contributing to the the core mission which is bringing utility
to doze what do you think about oh 100 you know i think it's i've been kind of staying away from a
lot of this stuff because you know what was going on with bitcoin and the and the clogging um but i think
they're starting to get it worked out that it that i think we may be okay you know i mean they've
really tested the uh the ability of the chain and it seems to be doing all right so um you know i i
look at it like i'm all for art and nfts and and having something as tangible as digital like
my whole life man i mean i don't get too deep into it but it's like we've just been unindated with
just bad luck and family and the pattern better past the past years or whatever uh so i've gotten more
where i want to get more streamlined and be able to like be free in order to be free i can't have
a lot of stuff right and so that's why i love nfts so much because it's like i need to take it anywhere
it doesn't have to go in a box in a moving truck or whatever and it's like something that i can hold
so i love entities i keep buying them uh you know sometimes i buy them high and they get cheaper but
like i i buy them because i think the pictures are cool or the people that made them the project is cool
so i'm kind of a fan of this i'm looking into some of those right now on the uh the labradoge
or labradoge i don't know if i'm saying it right but the drc-20.org where a lot of the marketplaces
are uh just kind of rolling through those since this space is so it's kind of neat and kind of
gets my gears turning here because i'm like you know i'm all for about multi-chain and like bringing
other chains together so i'm thinking okay well if we did our nfts on there you know that'd be really
kind of neat because it like supports doge but it also supports the doge chain communities as well and so
like you know i can't help but think about stuff like that so yeah i'm a fan you know i love i love art i love
all the different things and i just like creating and making stuff like i think that's why i get a
big kick out of all these gifts and stickers that people made over the past couple weeks like i've
never seen so many stickers and gifts be made out of nowhere you know and so when i see all that stuff
it just makes me smile and it makes it all worth it nice man i love your your uh your pfp by the way
do you own that that mutant yeah man uh that thing is sick i love it dude right because it got
a turtle on hat because i i did a a bsc token uh that's been around for a couple years real man
it's so sick oh i love it and i mean there was a couple of them too there that's the mute so that's
the grandpa apes you know grandpa ape club and then they did a mutant too kind of similar to you know
uh so it's not so it's not mutant apes it's grandpa apes yeah so grandpa country yeah that's right
yeah yeah uh grandpa country club you know and then they had a mutant as well uh and they had
like two vials and you can change it and everything else and uh i actually got i got i got hacked a
little while back where and all my nts all my e um man it was terrible dude like they just fished
the shit out of that and it was gone and i was like holy crap what just happened and it's like i've
been so careful you know but this thing just looks so legit like they're getting really good out there
y'all so you should be careful what links you check and double check and everything else but
needless to say i lost a lot and i was able to buy a bunch back through this berry murky on the cheap
so i'm pretty excited about that but yeah this that was one of them and uh kind of goes my persona with
you know running around and you know i put a big turtle on my head but i think it's i think it's
cool i like the art i think they did a really good job on that set in that collection and you know
only a couple you know 0.06 eth or something for some of them you know but um as i said that community
still stuck through it too man they're a bunch of chill dudes too as well uh just just hanging out
and sharing life you know but yeah i change it up every now and then i know a lot of people say
you shouldn't change your pfp but i mean you gotta show it off right you gotta enjoy what you got so
i change mine every now and then but uh but the names and usernames have stayed fixed for for a while
here so yeah i i want to have uh more like uh you know nft pfps as my my profile picture but i'm also
in meetings with like you know top vcs in the world and uh big institutions and like fortune 500
companies so i i don't know they don't take me as seriously no i gotta put the suit on sometimes you
know i know that's where that's where alts come into play right i guess you know here's your alter
ego you can run around on but no i i get that and that's respect for sure yeah actually i think i've
only ever had an nft as my pfp one time that was real doge my that was my lightsaber uh laser ice uh
real doge punk which i it's like my nice well you know you could just take your picture and just like
you know turn it into an nft and then technically you say you know i got an nft pfp i'll post a
picture of mine in the comments so you can see it yeah make it make it make your make your pfp on dodge
and old man and then you've got it you know get you'll get a little hex picture eventually but
give yourself laser eyes you know that's still that's so good yeah my telegram has my laser eyes
actually but cool guys um okay anything else uh anybody else have opinions about uh doge ordinals or
want to talk about uh doge chain stuff um gk evm uh well the vote ended so uh it's official
doge chain huge turnout yeah yeah big turnout 99 or 98.9 yes to become a polygon piece so basically
it'll become it's a layer two of ethereum using polygon gk evm and cdk and then a side chain of
doge and then like hopefully we can figure out how to in a fully trustless way make it a
uh another another way of it being a side chain of doge will be you know being able to bring the
dogenals over to uh to doge chain and in a trust as trust of a way as possible so if you're a team
out there building that kind of stuff please reach out to us i know we're in touch with a few already
and we're also researching building this kind of stuff you know ourselves but you know we the more
options the better for the you know the user uh so please reach out to us uh if you have any interest in
building this kind of stuff yeah for sure guys uh so uh yeah i i actually opened the the spaces with
the with the announcement of the vote and uh everything that that it entails so uh we are still
the team is still um discussing on how to approach this exactly so uh we're uh we'll be providing very
soon like like re actionable points and and road map and time timelines uh in the real near future
this is regarding zkvm but also for the ordinal's tooling as well that that we're uh very looking
closely to so once uh once we have some more information regarding the the precise timelines uh we
will be providing the community with uh with more details on that uh in the meantime we will be
educating our communities about ordinals uh on how everything would uh would be working on on uh on
dot chain currently and uh and some of the most important stuff which is uh bringing liquidity to
the to dot chain uh asap uh we have some some really cool solutions that are that are in the works
and should be available within a couple of weeks i think uh they can't share nothing yet then huh
oh unfortunately i cannot say i cannot say the names of the solutions yet because uh we're we're still
working on them and nothing is really set in stone uh but uh we should have something really uh
substantial coming in the in the next couple of weeks but what's different like these things that are
being built is all it's new to the whole space right ordinals are new the tooling around ordinals
is new and like and zk evm i mean zk roll up still very like cutting edge and difficult technology and
none of this stuff do we want to rush right like with going to polygon cdk there's different ways to
do it and there's new pieces coming out constantly like now celestia is working with polygon to do the
data availability side so like there's different things you could do you could become like you know
a polygon zk evm um or you could become a polygon validium or you could become a zk evm or validium
that uses celestia for data availability to make faster speeds and more scaling which is needed for
doze chain like doze chain isn't we don't want doze chain to be like uh i mean it's it's going to be
a layer two of ethereum so it'll it'll inherit security of ethereum but there are some things
you don't need like we you don't necessarily need and i don't maybe i'm getting too into the weeds but
you don't need data availability on ethereum necessarily because that means you're storing
everything on ethereum which is very expensive so if you could use like celestia for data availability
or become a validium which means you could store the data on our own chain but do the computational
um verifications through proofs on ethereum so there's like lots of ways to do this on both zk
vm side and the doze ordinal stuff there's lots of ways to do this and it's something that as much as
like specifically on the doze side to me i think we should rush because it's a time sensitive thing and
we don't want to miss the big wave that's coming that we think may be coming so we want to move
really fast but at the same time we can't move so fast that we don't test things battle test things
and try every option and look at every option because you know if we rush to be first mover
that's great but then you could also be first hacked so we want to make sure that we do things
in as most as as decentralized trustless battle tested risk low risk etc and not rush it but at the
same time find a balance and we still want to be first movers so i think we have some time but
we're trying to move fast on we're very motivated to move fast on this
i think that makes sense with the i mean where everything's going and how things are building and
progressing in the markets right now too you know it's like take advantage of that that momentum if
you will and and ride that out and really be able to make something great yeah definitely i think
um my i i don't know if i'm getting a cold over the last couple days but my voice is feeling pretty
sore from and now we've been on uh we had three hours of all roads lead to polygon and two hours of
uh dose chain and doginals um i'm getting my throat's getting a little sore here um do we want to
probably call it soon or do we have any more topics we want to talk about well i drink water and
point out the fact that this is number 69 and so uh i think that's pretty nice you know and we should
probably just take note of that uh and i and i like that you guys are approaching this tvl aspect
yeah yeah man i saw that at first and i was like this dope this is perfect you know it's like
it's a perfect 2024 spaces you know to start off the new year with with 69 on the last chain
exactly first races in 2024 is the 69th uh hell yeah yeah that's why i keep tipping everybody wait i just
wish you guys 2024 2024 is is 420 backwards right absolutely absolutely it's our year boys it's our
year yeah guys thank you so much uh for allowing me uh onto the stage and uh really really appreciate
the fact that you allowed me to pin the um the tweet um yeah man love the work i've never been in the
dodge sort of environment but here we go coming out of bitcoin and you said you're on you're in
africa right and you're one of the few um mutant apes there yes did you uh do you know people or
or do you hear about people using uh quick swap or polygon in in africa yes multiple people do use
polygon chain i mean there's quite a few guys look we don't have a huge following like nigeria or all
the other countries um it's slowly getting adopted i am seeing that our big institutions there were 90
institutions that recently signed up based on the on the fed's um announcement that we're all waiting
for uh with the sec um and a lot of these guys are moving onto the smaller chains when i watch their
profiles on twitter like they are buying on the polygon network they're buying polygon nfts so the only
thing i can see um like matrix data is through twitter and what they're buying uh but yeah it's
it's mainly that really do we see the guys dabbling in eth yeah it's cool man it's cool that crypto has
these different options you know you're a big whale sure you might use eth more if you if you are more
cost conscious i mean i'm a big whale but i only use polygon i don't do anything on eth i mean just
because i don't like throwing money away even though i can afford it i don't want to throw money away
uh so i do everything on polygon even our like our company lunar digital assets our our marketing and
incubation firm um we uh do all of our payroll on polygon now we used to do it on eth but it's just
like if we're sending out you know sometimes a hundred you know payroll payments in a and you know at the
end of the month um and that's like times you know ten dollars of gas or twenty dollars of gas or
whatever uh that's a lot of money spending on gas we and i i looked at the uh account once and it was
like crazy how much like tons and tons of eth that we had spent over the last years on payroll
just for gas and i was like okay we're that's it we're moving to polygon for payroll yeah i'll be
incredible i'll be honest with you guys sorry there i'll be i'll be really honest um bringing that
technology to africa because here's the thing right we may have masses and we may have uh the need for
adoption however there's no developers here there's no there's no one actually driving it here
so going to the institutions like our big banks our big um financial houses why do you think there's
no devs there look there are devs i'll be honest with you there are devs but i don't think the devs
are in the numbers that you guys have in the first world countries well look at yes we have we have
great talent here but i don't think they can manage have a ton of developers which is great but you
know in africa these southeast asia developers need to come here because there's a bread basket waiting
for them to be picked on that's that's what i'm trying to part of africa are you in island i'm in south
africa all right yeah okay cool hey uh just food for thought yeah just food for thought hey i just
wanted to say i appreciate you guys letting me come up here and talk and uh let me shout out uh swiss and
eight bit and um thanks for letting me get up here milo i shot you a follow if you guys shot me a follow
and i didn't follow back immediately it's because i'm at max uh um follows right now so but i appreciate
you guys letting me get up here and one more time for the one more time you already know i appreciate
it guys i'm gonna hop off here i gotta i gotta i gotta feed this little one that's driving me crazy
and i'll see you guys back here man i really appreciate it i appreciate you coming up and
providing your feedback man thanks a lot everybody i'm always when me and cindy are on walks sometimes i
i do little barks at dogs to get them to turn their head and stuff
i do that all the time actually i was wanting to ask you if you did but uh i did i do that's funny
man cindy thinks i'm a freak sometimes i do it at kids too my daughter rides her little scooter man
every time we go around there's one dog that scares her so i sit there and i tell her i said don't
worry baby i can bark louder than it that's funny man cool okay cheers everyone anyone else want to
say bye before we go thank you yeah i mean shout out to everybody that uh from the doji knows community
that uh came here like milo uh what was it brendan remember legend thanks for your input as well uh thanks
for uh you know time to ship doshi of course to for for providing his uh his thoughts on uh on a lot of
stuff today as well uh and uh all the speakers uh hope you hope to see you next week as well we'll have
some more information next week so if you want to uh chime in for more alpha regarding dojo uh dojo
no stooling on dode chain uh same time next week so uh 1900 udc friday on the dode chain account uh shout
out to uh uh who do we have here as quick grow dubzy and the listeners uh penny bags uh og on the dode chain
newt uh merilda losing my voice here as well dave kath swizz uh have jimmy cash here as well
crypto writer polygon bubble boy breezy thanks a lot for coming up as a speaker today man uh hope to see
you uh in our group uh the crypto canuck uh patrick some uh rain god a man who is always there
raining tokens in the telegram chats on dode chain give a big shout out to him and uh of course big
shout out to be and uh the doge tools that provide this uh uh tool to uh to rain and tip people in
telegram groups with dode chain based tokens like doge dc d tools tdh uh aubergine like the uh big
shout out to to exit as well for for coming up and uh sticking with dode chain for uh for a year and a
half already since he he was there since the beginning that's it guys from me uh see you next week
thanks rock for uh for coming up michael dub uh and uh we'll see you guys next week at the same time
same place for even more alpha on dogenals and zk evm yeah thank you for having oh sorry go ahead go
ahead go ahead no i was just gonna say uh thanks doge chain for allowing us to come up here and share
the stage rock thank you for the stimulating conversation everybody that came up and spoke
their thoughts you know thank you appreciate that and uh you know look forward to doing
this again hope everybody enjoys it sounds like from your one of your dms to me today it sounds
like uh he already told you or whatever but yeah pro pro the doge slum doge millionaire hit me up a
couple days ago and asked if uh i guess that his premiere of his documentary uh beforehand getting
lunch with you man so uh get to meet you in person man cheers yeah i'm looking i'm looking forward to uh
meeting up and sitting down and picking your brain yeah i i enjoyed our our our uh not not heated but
fun controversial like you know yeah it should open source and all that that was it was a good
conversation and i look i'm not fully like i don't lean fully one way i think it's a good conversation to
have yeah and not to get back into it but you know i think open so open sourcing you know after the
masses have kind of caught up i don't think it's a bad thing but you know i do believe if you're if
you're putting something out that has not been done i think you can allow everybody to cut catch up on
their own you know obviously elon put out all of his technology so everybody could catch up he put in
the hard work and you know he's he's a legend for that but you know it's a dangerous thing to do for
for sure from a business perspective i had a call with the ceo of polygon uh about it and i was like
man i super respect you on this but holy shit you guys spent almost a billion dollars acquiring all
these companies and these technologies and you're just going to open source it i was like i ultra
respect this but wow that's a bold move i mean i even was like whoa that's kind of crazy like you
know because i thought what they were going to do some of the earlier conversations i had heard
like kind of internally was they might like do like keep it closed source for a few months at least
and then give it to everyone which like look now i'm arguing well that might be okay but i'm mad at
uniswap for doing it for two years so it's you know it's who knows what you should do but i don't know
i think two years is kind of too long but maybe if someone were to do it for a few months or six months
i would be less mad at them you know i i don't know we can continue this conversation another
time yes i have no strong opinion on it i don't know one way or another you know it's because i
get both sides you know um it's a difficult one all dogs go to heaven what are you are you are you
saying it's like it's like all types of dogs go to heaven so i know i usually drop cryptic hints
in case people are like listening in the audience oh is that some are you sneaking something in here
what's going on over there is that some alpha don't play with us man you know we're fiends for
alpha around here i'm the djn boy i am the alpha king i don't know just maybe i mean something uh you
know just just just maybe it would be uh it would be talked about next week or or you know at us at a
a later date but all right man hey congrats on your on your child man thank you thank you
it's my first one of one non-fungible human so your first real nft man oh yeah
yeah i was the i was the seed investor and we uh we're a docs team so
we're three puns hey rock you know when you use the baby carrier i got you for your your wedding
present you you know uh what we didn't get into rock what's up doxing and kyc damn it ah we didn't
yeah let's talk about that next time all right absolutely okay i'll just say my take really
i respect privacy but i do think that for many projects because there's so many rugs in this
industry that doxing is an important thing too but i do respect people that don't do it
but they take it's harder for you to me to trust you right like if you don't want to dox yourself
i get it satoshi's not doxed right and i trust bitcoin but it's harder for me to trust someone
who's anonymous it takes longer for me to build trust with them you know what i mean absolutely i
mean trust is something that's earned not given i would argue back look at the multi-billion
dollar companies that had docs founders that did what they did you know so we we work
so anyway yeah we we pick that up another time yeah it says they don't get the dog thing uh
doxing shiptoshi shiba just think of that there you go all right guys anyone else want to say bye
james yeah sure always a pleasure guys um again i work with a lda doge chain do um bd it's been fun i
always like to get on these things and um meet more in the community i haven't done that most a lot in the
past but it's it's fun to do that um if you guys like if you know if you guys don't mind a quick
show i do a live stream every uh twice a week tuesday thursday 12 p.m pacific standard time
we get together through crypto g's and people just like about talk about crypto
wide or overarching topics so if you're into that stop by and i'll try to stop by more often
on these uh spaces where do people find that yeah i just slide over to my or i just said over to my
twitter profile there's a link tree and you could um attend on x or on youtube
nice man thanks yeah james james has a lot of good good insights in the industry
all right guys thanks a lot everybody and uh see you next week awesome uh spaces uh these doginal
spaces are are getting some good traction here and hopefully they will continue to do so as uh
as we uh start pushing out some products uh around them and and bring more 2024
yeah hell yeah invite more doginals people anyone who spoke today anyone in the audience if you
are if we were looking for more like doginals and ordinals and bitcoin ordinals too but just experts
speculators builders especially the builders um anyone or the artists of course uh community members
people who are passionate freaks weirdos misfits whatever but invite them and let's talk about
this and and see where this is going and let's try to figure it out before you know the other 99 of
everyone figures it out let's all be uh first movers on this stuff right i mean that that's that's where
this is going man that's what you see here like we had people like i'm from xrp right i've been in xrp all
the time there's people from ethereum here there's people from all kind of chains here right so doge is
the fucking meme it brings everybody one together all the chains together hell yeah man that's the
fucking tribalism and fucking get us to the fucking moon brothers i love it let's talk next time about
the different because some doge maxis you know they can be kind of weird about some of this stuff just
like the bitcoin maxis right um let's talk next time about different um like doge maxis uh foundation
members core devs and what their thoughts are on all this i would think like people like inevitable
360 should be uh very positive i dm'd him he didn't respond but i was asking because he made
i say that and doge chain was the first nfts on doge but it wasn't the first actually it was the first
that actually succeeded but inevitable 360 built uh nft thing on doge uh just before or maybe during
around the same time as we were building those chain but it didn't really take off it didn't
have good tooling i guess or whatever but or maybe maybe not good marketing or who knows maybe it just
wasn't good timing um but i know he built some stuff there so i'm wondering if he's interested in
this stuff he's one of the the core devs for doge currently um and and does a lot with like the
hackathons and stuff but yeah let's talk next time about what the doge maxis and different people
think that could be a topic next time come on dude don't just like we're just getting back together
let's not just like fight and then and get
i say i say let's just fucking unite you know like uh let's put two things aside and like um
see secrets all right guys thanks everybody for joining again uh educate your peers about doge chain
uh that it brings utility to doge and soon to dogenals as well and uh see you guys next week for uh
for more interesting conversations regarding these topics thanks a lot and uh see you next week cheers
bye bye see you guys bye new year's bye bye
