GM everyone, I guess good afternoon from some of you.
GMs for all times, Juniper.
GM, GM, Waggmy, LFG. GM, GM, GM.
Lonnie, is getcoin gonna come up is there a speaker behind it or just you? I think it's me not from the getcoin account. They're just being present to be present, but I believe Plumcar is joining us from their own account.
I believe they may be a little bit late from the day. Perfect. Hey guys, how you doing? Oh my god, I'm doing so well. Nice to chat with you today, Lonnie, and when Pringard gets here. Yeah, I'm
I don't know, so how are you? I'm doing great. It's, it was a beautiful, slightly overcast morning today, so it's not too hot and feeling like just a beautiful summer day. I'm thrilled to be chatting with you all.
So let's give it a few minutes and then we will firstly get started.
And Kim, do you want to kind of launch us in a minute or two? Or do you want me to take it?
Go ahead. Great. I guess I'm the official cause today.
We got a cute crowd today. I see boss. It's good to see you. And Joss. It's good to see you in the crowd. Later, it's really lovely seeing you.
Okay, I'm in patient. I want to start. So we're gonna start Welcome, welcome, welcome everybody to the wonder ex get coin Twitter space enabling cooperation web 3 We have the incredible and
amazing Lonnie with us today, who is the host of Public Gids are good. And I'm just excited to have her. I love her. So welcome, welcome. And we have in our discord a thread if people want to jump in
there and chat and ask questions. If you go on our general and our discord, we have the Wonder XK coin Twitter space thread going. So Kim will be checking that. Well, I moderate and we're waiting on one other
But when he jumps in prune car when he jumps in, we'll just like bring him up. So yeah, let's just do some introductions. My name is N, pronouns are they them and I'm the head of PA Wunder and I'm going to popcorn it to Lonnie.
Thank you so much. I'm so thrilled to be here with you all today. I also signed up and launched into Wonderverse for the first time today and my whole mind is exploding. This is one of those projects that I've just been wanting to dive deep in for
so long and of course this gave me the perfect opportunity to do so. I just really as a completely skipped over introducing myself in my excitement about Wonder Rose. I'm Lonnie, she is an artist and a co-founder of EcoDow and ZunerDow and I
contributor to the public goods funding work stream at Getcoin and I host a weekly Twitter space called Public Goods are Good about the intersection of Web 3 and Public Goods and yeah very very happy to be here thank you for the invitation of course Kim I'm gonna go next
Sure, can you guys hear me okay? Oh clear. Yeah. Cool. Hi, I'm Kim. I work at community and content at Wonders. Super excited to be here with get coin, get coins, heavy hitters in the space as you know. So thanks for partnering with us during our
Alphalange. And I guess I will go last. Jennifer here or until Poon Car gets here. Jennifer here and the head of content over here at Wonder. Yeah, it's been really exciting to see all the like you know in the Shadows of Goodcoin has been like pushing forward and
and able to fund and like, I'm really excited to talk with you Lonnie as well as like Pooncar, just about like you know, public goods, to talk about like how to really enable cooperation in kind of a web-through ecosystem. I think that you know, we're both kind of as organizations trying to push and build so they'll be really exciting power hour.
Yes, indeed. So I just want to, I mean, I feel like honestly, getcoin needs introduction, you know, a little bit about me is I was introduced into web 3 through getcoin, right? That was my first kind of introduction and then kernel, which was a, you know, a break off from getcoin. So, you know, I've been in
the kind of get-point ecosystem for a long while now. And Scott was actually one of the first people who kind of got me started in Web 3 in terms of like a full-time career type stuff. So I know like, you know, Lonnie, if you want to introduce what get-coin is for anyone in the audience who might not be aware, take it away.
Oh, big, big task. Okay. Yeah. I also came out of colonel side note and we can come back to that millisecond. I pinned a tweet from them about about colonel in the tweet section if anyone wants to learn more, but so get quite as founded originally to fund open source software.
development, but it's branched out into, I would say like a broader conversation happening right now about how Web 3 tools can be used to fund all kinds of public goods. And so we do a lot of different things. We have hackathon,
and found teas and every quarter we run something called getcoin grants, which is a public fundraising event where public goods projects can sign up to become getcoin grantee where they can receive during the
grants from, they can receive individual cryptocontributions from the community and get coined fun raises for matching funding pools from donors from the community. And so they contribute to the matching funding pools, which is then allocated to the get coined grantees at the end of the round, using
a formula called quadratic funding, which is a formula that is seeking to better ascertain community support. So the way that I like to describe this is if you had two grantees, one in which received one $100 donation and the second grantee received $100
$1 donations. The second grant would grant you, excuse me, would receive more in quadratic funding because there has been a more expressed community support for that project. So we allocate these matching funding pools from donors within the community, you know, Coinbase.
a Filecoin green, a Noma, Figment, Blackhand. We've had a really beautiful cohort of matching funding partners in the Tround, and those are just a few from the last one, just a few. But yeah, anyway, so we allocate these funds to the grantees
based on the individual contributions that they received. Also, I'll say Gatling Grants is in the process of running these rounds to build a decentralized protocol so that anyone could run a grants round within their own organization using this protocol.
footing the protocol by running the grant rounds. And yeah, I would say like there's also a really robust effort within the organization to facilitate philosophical conversations about the merits of funding public goods and also just pushing the boundaries of what's possible. That's, you know, a lot of what I'm involved
minute would they get coin but that's a good place to pause and pass it back to you. Wow, wow, I mean like I love get coins so music to my ears. Get coin is so foundational in Web 3 2 you know my opinion enabling cooperation right really made
making sure that we don't just do work, but we think about the work we're doing and we're conscious about the direction we want to go in. I'll start out as EKD with the audience, but yeah, so I think it's really important that we understand
And I think about this law on an individual level, what does cooperation coordination really mean for us as people? Right? I know we're all fun PIPs, but behind every profile here is just a person, right? A person who has their own lived experience, who has their own trans-ensual relations, who has their own identities, and how do we
really get together and make something unique. And that kind of brings you into my first question for you, Lonnie, and then when punker comes, we, you know, just jump on right on in, is, you know, what defines Web3Ethos? Like, how does an A-Wing
operation really kind of implicate like what Web 3 really is right what is Web 3 from your perspective and you know Kim Juniper if you have any thoughts please read hands and also at the end we'll have time for questions and comments yeah Lonnie take it away what what defines Web 3 ethos
Well, I will say, you know, this is a big question, right? But I think maybe a core ideal that's running through the Web3 communities that I'm a part of is the idea of decentralization as a need that was right. That's really central to
how we are working together and how we are collaborating is in a way that, you know, there's, and again, like, I think it's easy to get maybe carried away with the idea of decentralization as like a maximalist thing, but I would say that the idea of like decentralizing power is really foundational.
and Web 3 and that the tools and really like the fundamental technology and alluring everything we're doing, blockchain, it's allowing the decentralization of power and the peer to peer exchanges to occur, right? So I would say that when we're talking about collaboration and coordination and
that learning how to one communicate really effectively with each other I think is really essential also especially in asynchronous organizations. Effective consistent communication is really key and I'll say also being able to like,
articulate your ideas clearly and finding new and better ways of doing that is really, really helpful. And, you know, we're all kind of learning by doing in this process because everything is so new, but I'm really excited to see how tools like Wonder are
Collaboration between folks that are exploring this brave new territory and Yeah, I think I think you know there's an interesting tension and dance that I see in the diorics that I'm part of which is you know this this dance between decentralization and chaos
And like, you know, when no one's in charge, like how do things get done and how does power get structured and organized and yeah, it's like really interesting like how to create space for leadership, but not like in a way that's too centralized, I guess. Absolutely.
And something the wonder team was actually talking about this morning was, you know, this is a huge shift for all of us, like fundamentally. Like, you know, at least, you know, when I worked in chemistry in my past, like, I had to only coordinate with my team or only coordinate with maybe, you know, a few other scientists.
small. I didn't have to be online, I didn't have to work remotely. It was very present and maybe a good way but also not decentralized way. So I think a lot of folks in Web 3 and the one team was talking about this, a lot of it is like we have to be really good
people to make this work. I think we forget about the personhood of Web 3. It's like yes, decentralized, but decentralized is just a group of humans. It all kind of centers back to us where it's like about what we're doing, who we are, how we're coordinating with each other, but Juniper, go ahead.
I think it's really fascinating to respond to both of you about cooperation in Web 3 is that with the centralization there is a dream particularly of equity of people having ownership and of people being able to participate as a group and reap rewards
I think what you know really jarring as you're saying and in particular to really any field and kind of our capitalist society is a kind of top down view that like you know there is like oftentimes a belief of like you know the sacrifice of power and the sacrifice of like like you
autonomy and everything comes with the fact that there's maximum profit and that's usually broken down from the top and then it trickles down as one would say to the rest of the folks but we all know the story of what that actually has. And I think what decentralization does in this time period is it represents the kind of the dream of
true democratization of not just power but of resources. So I think like something that's really a pertinent and like fascinating to me with like you know entities like Goodcoin like Wonder like many of our partners and I see like there's a handful of folks in the crowd that like we're partnering with and that how
or contributors even to Gwinder because we're seeking a very intentional path towards allowing them more and more autonomy without them necessarily having to sacrifice personal life or without, it's all trust-building exercise I think. And I think what's as crazy as I feel like there's a lot
more secrecy in traditional organizations and non-digital organizations because I think a huge thing why I really prefer async work and with organizations that are digital. There's the whole "Penopticon" feeling where it's like
you're constantly under surveillance. And I feel like that's something like so like built into capitalism, like you have to be watched all the time, you know, to make sure that you're being productive versus like what's beautiful about like, you know, dows and dorks is that people are coming here to work and like you don't you're like putting trust in them that they're just as passionate about the projects as you are.
Yeah, and to add to that like the central thesis of like of corporations is competition, right? It's all about competing in order to win. So that is like, you know, like that is a paradigm shift.
in terms of Web 3, that's about centralization, about coordination, about cooperation, that is not how I've ever lived in my life, right? And I think it's not how many of us live in our lives, at least professionally. So I think we're really trying to shift our mindset as individuals,
not just as like, you know, focus Web 3, but that is really as individual people living in the world. Web 3 is new. But also I want to welcome Pooncar up to the stage. Welcome, welcome, if you want to introduce yourself. And yeah, tell us where you're coming from.
Yeah, thank you very much. Just checking that you can hear me okay. I'll clear. Perfect. Yeah, I'm really sorry being late. But yeah, this is super interesting topic and this is something that I love to discuss, so I'm happy to be here.
And my background and very quickly as I'm light so I want to save time so I may call contribute to get on overseeing really like the get going tooling what they are using for running the down and beyond so
overall part of the Dell operations. I'm also one of the co-founder of Plancus Consulting, so helping other organizations as well. And recently I become a recognized delegate on Maker Dell on behalf of the governance house, which is part of
the Lama community. So that's my background. As you see, there are a lot of organizations. I am a part of and why I can be part of so many organizations is because there is so much cooperation and that's what we are discussing here.
I've been listening for a couple of minutes just to get up to speed and I really share the sentiment of the cooperation in this space and on a different level than it ever been. I've been working in large
corporations, even within the corporations, there is not so much cooperation. There are so many, so much politics, people are trying to take advantage of other people through like, you know, hiding information or just like preventing
be access to the information and what iPhone is really great in Web3 and why I joined full time and I don't really regret it is. Like people recognize and realize that when we cooperate we can build more value to everyone.
And that subsequently mean that even for the individual itself. So there is just, that's just a win-win situation for everyone I feel. 100% agree. And like something I want to pick out of what you said, Pongkara is that on a corporate level, the express image
And this is not like, I think people don't really feel like grasp what a corporation is. The point of a corporation is to capture profit for the shareholders. That's the express purpose. If you look at the Wikipedia page about what a corporation is, how it's structured, that's the express point. It's not to make our lives better. It's not to make a better product.
you extract profit and that's just like fundamentally what a corporation is. So I think as we explore Web 3 and like my next question I'll tee up to you, punkhar, but I think as we explore Web 3, we're running into this like, well what does it mean to be human and to create things when it's not about making the most money
for somebody else when it's not about making the most money for somebody who might not even be involved in the company. Like some lot of shareholders have stocks of the company and they don't even know the product of the company is. So what does it look like we have engaged shareholders or stakeholders or contributors in the product in ecosystem?
And they care about what's producing, they care about the product's quality. We don't know what that word looks like, where it's a paradigm shift, like we all kind of highlighted. But the question I want to shoot to you, Pungar, is, and Lonnie, feel free to answer in Camden, June if you want as well. But what tools really enable cooperation in Web 3?
Yeah, that might not be the popular answer here, but like I think, you know, the tools like as you like, I actually, as you mentioned, they are enablers, but it depends on the people and it depends on how people use it. And the mindset shift is the most important here.
And we need to support that and we need to support that through education, through sharing the value proposition, through incentivization and how you can show that. And I think that's where the tools are coming into place. And you
You can show that there is a value creation out of cooperation when you have maybe something like bounty board across the organization. Like the organization doesn't, it's not trying to do everything internally because they know that there might be other people
better off doing that work or doing that work together and it will just bring value to both of them. And also when you see the outcome of the work publicly, when you build in the open, there are
There is so much open source software code like in Web3. There is some in Web3, definitely, and I've been part of those projects as well, but it's still kind of tight to one organization. One organization usually leads
the development and then they are benefit from it the most. But here I feel like it's much more open and all those tools like which can kind of show it, which can kind of distribute it widely, which can connect those organizations and
contributors together are really important. And you know, just to kind of touch upon that, like, how I feel like Wander play its role, that's the connector. Like the Wander and why I liked the Wanderverse tool, it's
The contributor can be part of many organizations, but it will be still connected to the one dashboard and it will be kind of still kind of open. And this is what we need to think of when we are designing all the tools for the specs.
It should not be ties to one organization, it should be tied to the industry, tied to the space, to contributor, to outcomes, but not really building behind closed doors within the organization.
Absolutely. I want to do a quick real reset. I'm trying to really be mindful because I get so caught up in the conversation. Welcome folks who might have joined late. This is the conversation between Wonder and get coin. We're talking about how we enable cooperation in Web 3.
the question I just asked was like, what are the tools that kind of help us do that? And Lonnie, did you have any thoughts on what tools might be kind of the leaders? I mean, I think it's going to wonder. But you know, there's definitely more out there.
So I think I want to first echo something that Punkar was sharing, which when we talk about back to like an earlier question and you had about like what is the core ethos of Web 3, I will say alongside decentralization of power is the open source ethos itself, right?
that idea, that philosophy is what's underpinning so much of what we're building here. And I think for me, that idea is really fundamental, what's helping this, let's say, a societal shift around how we work together, right, away from this competitive
my insight and I think at least in my humble opinion it's allowing us to become more like nature, more like my Celial Networks, more like what we naturally are, which is cooperative, right? And I think we've been all conditioned to believe that we must compete with each other in order to survive and
our society has been structured that way for a long time, but this emerging reality that we're all co-creating together is helping us live together and work together in a very different way that I believe will be much more harmonious as it is much more an alignment with our true nature. And as to software or projects
tools that are allowing us to do so. Big, big fan of wonder. Obviously I love GIT coin. I have lately been very excited about clarity teams. Clarity is a Web 3 native project management software. And yeah, I think like for me
It's really exciting to participate in a project where you can directly give feedback which I've been able to do with them so it makes specific product requests and yeah that's something that is really exciting to me. Amazing. I see that people requesting just one way you know that the last 10 minutes of the space will open it up for a question.
So if you do have a question and want to request, I see them, but we will do that at the end. And I want to like, I don't know, like I, okay, I'll just ask another question. I'm just, I need to not get too flustered because I'm so excited about this conversation. But one of the questions I have
And I think this kind of goes to what we're talking about is cooperation actually more emotional challenging than competition. Like is actually being in Web 3 more of a personal emotional growth journey than we're letting on? Like, yeah, what do your thoughts line in in Bunker?
I think it requires deconditioning and I think myself and Quiddit a lot of us have been conditioned into really like devaluing our labor and time and especially artists I think it's really challenging to understand and know your own
value. And I think that the nature of Web 3 if they're not being someone in charge who's like dictating to you what you need to do like the self-starting nature of things, it requires a greater level of personal responsibility. And like if you don't advocate for yourself, you know, it's just like not going to happen. So, I mean, it was likely, right?
So I think that, yeah, it can be more emotionally challenging, but I think what you said initially is really the real thing. It's like helping us to grow or evolve as humans. It really feels that way for me. I'm curious as to your experience, punker.
Yeah, I really agree with that. And I think the mindset change is the most challenging out of everything. Like we've been taught that we need to kind of, you know, protect our intellectual property.
like what we own kind of as an information and it can have really good value and we should kind of secure it not really share it like we need to you know protect out of like let's say confidential information which doesn't need to really be confidential but for sake of like
gathering some value we are trying to protect that as well. And now we are at the space and like they are like saying telling us like no you should share everything and you will actually have more value out of share
and like keeping for yourself or you know trying to like outmaneuver someone with different information and so on. And I think this is like for me this is John
because I've been taught whole life now. This is not the way and now I can even see that this is the way and this is better but it's still kind of hard to switch like
all to that. So I think the mindset, which is really mentally challenging in everything, not just in this, but like that's what I see as a big challenge for us for next couple of years, just to change people to think differently. Yeah, and I like
We'll go to Juniper than can, but I just want to comment that it's a thing we're centering around that we have a name, trust. Cooperation requires us to trust. I think how do we trust? Let's say I'm in the United States and someone's in Singapore and then someone's in India and then someone's in
Zimbabwe and someone in Peru, like how do we start to coordinate on this web through infrastructure with trust and with understanding with compassion? That is like, I don't think we understand that that's like historic human coordination and cooperation. That has never happened in the history of us. It's always
been much slower, never instantaneous. So I think under the kind of bedrock of Web 3 is this huge, like I keep saying, huge paradigm shift that's making us think about not just us and our local communities, but us in our global community of Web 3 and how we engage and interact and
Cooperate with each other, but Juniper, who do you? Oh my god, this conversation is so fascinating because I feel like I have two things that I feel like talk about cultural context both in a contemporary sense and even an ancient sense of like cooperation within society and I think like Web 3 likes to
to shift itself into thinking that it's this brand new thing that's like incredibly innovative. It really is, but it's really not too. Again, behind every PFPS unsaid is a human being. We all, for lack of better term, part of the French, we all eat shit, breathe in the real world so.
So one thing that I know is like as you're pointing out from Carl, there is this culture of competition particularly with capitalist society, that actually attracts from progress. When we talk about progress, let's think about one of the largest worldwide events that's still happening, the pandemic.
when the vaccines became popularized, like some of the patents around them. There was actually a delay in progress in the fact that nation states were not sharing the technology that they were creating within the biomedical field to actually preserve human life. So that's a very blank example.
outside of what three. But of like an example of like the lack of sharing of knowledge actually detracts from the growth of society as a whole. And then beyond that, I want to like roll back all the way to what you're saying and about trust and like how trust is so ingrained in like how humans interact on a global scale.
and like we can go back, I think it was like 1700 BCE where one of the first forms of written, like recorded written stuff was on this tablet based in Samaria that was actually a complaint of this guy that got
And it's like one of those things where like he was like a Markable is that he was a merchant and he was like selling across like the entire Mesopotamian like kind of What is it plateau and this dude was pissed because he's like yo this person like scams me don't trust him and it was like recorded in written form that still exists to this day. So I think like we are
We're not fighting new battles when it comes to getting to know and learning. People that we might never ever actually face to face me. We are going against natural instincts to be like, "Yo, we have to cross check." I think that points to the need of first and foremost, no matter what, building a safety net.
for folks so that even if there is a failure, like there's something fall back on. And then secondarily, it's like, you know, understanding that what everyone has the same knowledge, like we all are vulnerable to same, like, oversights. And that, like, together we can, like, think through problems better than if we are trying to silo, like, information away from each other.
And then that points to transparency, that points to, you know, what does permission look like when we are aiming for a permissionless kind of platform? But I think these are all just like queries that I'm thinking about. And I thought it was really pointed that like, I was pointing to these like very long form but like new ideas. Can?
Yeah, just more of the same for me. Really to answer ends question about, you know, cooperation and competition. There's a large amount of deconditioning still working on that myself and for those of us that are already here, we really need to be cognizant of the
of the space and if some of us need to go back to the drawing board and reconfigure what the intention of our projects are outside of the protocol, then you know it's absolutely necessary that we do that. And I think that like just another thing I want to pull on the
my final question and then we'll open up for questions for the audience is that at the end of the day all of this is social. I don't see people mentioning that much. This is social, get acquainted social, wonder is social. These tools are enabling us to be better for
each other. These tools are enabling, hopefully, our highest selves, or most collaborative selves, or most cooperative selves. I think the genius of blockchain technology is that things at a fundamental place, and the Vitalics talk with us a lot, how do we enable that
factors to be good people or quote unquote good or how do you enable bad actors to work with us not against us. And I think that found funded funded the foundational understanding that like not all people want to help each other has actually helped blockchain and web 3 understand like
It's almost like in some ways adjacent to abolitionism, where it's like, we don't want to throw people in jail, so how do we really cooperate with those people and make their maybe less than stellar qualities work for society, in this case society being Web 3 technology.
And I don't know and I think we're still working on that. I think exploits expose, you know, where things are weak. But I think that's kind of what we're getting to. Like how do we create this where, you know, as someone is scammed or, you know, maybe we can prevent scams and maybe we can educate away from those or help scammers actually be
you know, customer service, you know, different dolls and you know, value them in that way. But the last question I wanted to ask, sorry, that's just so funny. The last question I want to ask is, how do we from an individual standpoint actually work together? Like how do we work together? Lidie, tell us.
So first of all, what you just said is very catch me if you can. You know, we're like, he eventually he's scamming the government. They eventually like hire him to do security or something. Anyways, but how do we collaborate? Gosh, you know, I think like the thing that's really
standing out for me in this conversation as the human side, which you just pointed to and right. I think really centering and that awareness that we're all people and learning to communicate with each other while asynchronously and in a way that respects each other's lives off the internet.
I think that's something that has been coming up for me especially like I'm about a year into my web 3 journey now and you know one of the perils of working asynchronously could mean working 24/7 or being on-ish 24/7 and I think learning how to
communicate with each other that really honors our human selves and the care of our human selves while coordinating is a skillful art that we're all practicing at right now, you know, honoring both our own energy and the energy of our collaborators. Like to say, it's a love language to like know your collaborators.
times ends and to be thoughtful of how you're asking of their time and respect of it. I think bringing care into the way that we collaborate with each other is the next phase of this evolution at least in my personal experience.
Pooncar, are you having any other thoughts for us?
Yeah, and maybe I will take it actually from a little bit different aspect. So, you know, and also maybe it's connected to my education because I study economics. Like I feel like
I'm kind of on in the like optimism camp what time I assume everyone is good till proof otherwise and I don't think any
one is born or you know happen to be just bad and individual. I think everything it's about in Sanchez.
And people are either incentivized to be good because the risk of being catched is high and then there is some downside to it or they can not just earn more money.
through being bad so they are good and for some people it's other way around and I think the system needs to kind of account for it and for us being good needs to be just like
the better option. And if this is the better option for wide majority of the contributors, I think we will win and we will be progressing on it. But
If the market or the industry will be set up the other way, I don't think we can really progress much further. So I kind of hear all the time, it's about traction, it's about trust.
Yes, however, I would say book chain and overall like life is about incentives. And if the incentives are set up the right way, you can trust them. And that will be kind of my final thought here. Yeah, and I have one.
I would like to add to this. We have 10 more minutes of just us talking. One of the best advice, oh a piece of advice I think I've received, is to basically, in any work you're doing in a document, everything
really really well and the objective for a decentralized organization should be always you should always be able to write yourself out of the picture right that you could always evolve into doing something else and let someone else do what you are doing and I think you know like for me this is maybe one of the
most significant unlocks in my personal experience in Dowing is the fluidity of it, right? Like we often talk about the polyamorous nature of Dows, right? Kunkar, you said it like right when you came in that you contribute to these different organizations and like I think part of what allows that is not just these networks of collaboration and spaces like wonder that
facilitate those introductions in that, but the fluidity itself of the roles that we play in the orgs and how to be a good leader in a style, I think, is being able to write yourself out of the role that you're playing and being able to evolve into a different place. In traditional hierarchical organizations, you get
hard for a job and maybe you don't even like that job very much but you're doing it to earn a paycheck and you just kind of like keep doing the same tasks over and over and over and over again until maybe somebody gets sick of it and you're like oh my gosh I have to do something else so you like ask for a different job or leave the company and go smell like I think the beauty of downing is that the whole
process can become much more fluid and flexible in nature and that we can evolve based on our natural interest and excitement into different parts of our org and into other organizations. And I think for me that fluid part of it is when we start to
create the tools and systems for how to better support that fluid movement across different parts of the org like that that will unlock some real magical coordination collaboration power. Amazing. I just want to do one more reset before I forget.
So everyone who joined, who's just joining, this is joining Twitter space between Wonder and Getcoin. And we're just talking about how we enable cooperation with this new technology and within Web3 itself. And something that both of you from Garin Lani said is that, you know, how do we kind of respect ourselves in this whole process?
because at the end of the day where people we need to have self-respect. My answer to that is actually digital organizations. We don't need to any longer with the internet. We don't need to any longer have local people in the same time zone. We can hire people globally through on-chain
payments and we can have someone in an A-pack, we can have someone in an A-M-E-M-E-A, we can have everybody in different time zones where it works for their life. And now that takes some coordination on our part, right, as individuals to coordinate across time zones, but I think when we can set up those structures,
that also creates global equity. Right now it doesn't have to be a team in the USA or a team in Europe or a team in South America or whatever. It can be, you know, a team that's distributed globally. And that's why I like to work de-org like digital organization because it really hones in on the
point that this is a huge unlock that we've never been able to do before at the speed we have now. And then also with Web 3, we can now pay people globally and they can offload or series, they can off chain onto their local currency. And that can be a process they do at
as their own kind of custodians. So I think we're entering this phase of like new types of organization. I think both get coin and wonder in tools like clarity. You know, there's so many different ones coordinate are starting to enable us to really be globally visible and globally connected.
The last thing I want to say in the last question I want to hear your thoughts on last five minutes is what happens when we don't like somebody? I know that sounds weird, but there's going to be people that we interact with that is not a cup of tea. I almost think about Web 3 as a giant global community. It's still small, but
there's gonna be people that you don't vibe with personally, like ideologically, like whatever. So how do we, in terms of, in the name of coordinated, how do we work and coordinate with people and cooperation, and cooperate with people that we don't like? And I'm really curious what your thoughts are.
Just kidding. I think this question is not asked too many times and it should be. From my perspective of boarding, it's more important than on boarding because you need to
protect your community. Like if there is some bad appolvet in the community, that really everyone suffers. And we are here to protect each other and to care about each other. And this is just one of the type of care.
Like if there is just like someone who doesn't fit and like really is you know that kind of bad apple, we just we just need to ask them to leave to not influence the other people who are really suffering by being in the presence of the
the bad apple. So thank you for bringing up this question because I think we should ask that first when we are building a community how we can get people out basically if it's no fits there rather than like just everyone asking how I can get more people in.
I could not agree more. I think this is a really important question. And I think that part of the answer also beyond an established off-boarding process, which I think is totally important, is to build in some kind of a community reflection process, a regular community
near a fashion process, which we've actually just gone through for the first time at GetCoin last quarter. And so we did a community feedback process facilitated by Loe and Max. And basically they had us
choose three people that we wanted to go through this written review process. Like it's a peer review process basically. And they, you know, filled out this form and then we had a space to, like, give feedback to their feedback and then we did small groups, like,
small zoom groups to talk about anything that came up. And I feel like creating these kinds of peer review processes that are independent from our payment discussions are really, really helpful for surfacing things like this and to create a safe space also for that kind of trend to emerge because you know,
I think those kinds of sentiments can brew under the service and then people might talk about it with each other casually, but then in a peer review process or a guide, then you can start to see that coming the same person or the same sticking point. It might not even be a person, but a process or a thing that needs
adjustment can come up in a reflection like that. So yeah, I think big plus one from Carr and then yeah having some kind of a peer review I think is very very helpful to navigate that kind of inevitable stickiness that can come up. Yeah, and I think you know and again I want to kind of go back to that kind of connect
with corporations, HR, human resources, which is an out name in my opinion, the point of human resources, like just technically, is to protect the profit, which is the goal of the corporation. So HR added a Web 2 or, you know, traditional company, not using Web 2
technology or traditional company like not within this web through ethos. It's for something different. So now we have to re-admitted that too for ourselves within these new companies and with these new organizations, within these new DAOs. What is the point of connecting, of working together
of cooperating together, if it's not always about the profit, it's actually about us as people, right? If it's actually about solving conflict, if it's actually about being inclusive and not just protecting the bottom line because like someone's liability. So I think it really starts to shift our, you know,
kind of like little lens to a totally different color and Lonnie's doing amazing work because I know her background's in not Lonnie's, excuse me, um, I'm gonna have to be, where she said, "Blaury is it lower than love?" "Lowly, thank you both, Elmaine and I love these things." "Elmaine's at a core, but yeah, no, it's starting to like shift that
lens of like what is the new HR, what is the new, you know, function to enable community, healthy community, right? And I think that's an open question. But unless people have any thoughts, raise your hands if you do on stage, we're going to allow people to request. If you have questions,
Please ask, please note shilling, but ask your really insightful questions to the audience. I know we have a lot of insightful people in the audience. So if you have, please request and we'll bring you up. But if you, if you, people on the stage, if you have any last thing to say, Pooncar, you have something before we open up for questions.
That's how you wave. No, I'm not sure if it was a hand. Yeah, I just want to encourage people to ask questions. Yes, please do. So we have one request. I'm going to bring them up right now.
Black bamboo, welcome to the stage. What's your question for us?
I was too excited. Yeah, please guys request if you have comments, questions.
I really wanted to hear from folks if you have any reflections on the conversation we had. I really want to know because this is a really good conversation. A lot of gems here.
If you're hanging out in the discord, you can ask a question there too, and we'll read it out here. Yes, thank you for that plug, Kim.
So I don't know, a black number is like kind of just connecting the spiral of death. So I'm not sure if they're going to be able to speak. But I'm not going to pick on anybody in the audience, but I see some really cool
people. So please, okay, we've got a re-request from Blackbamboo. Let's see if it works now. Oh, I can't seem to add. Technical difficulty is invite to speak.
We could just turn this into like an ASMR of you trying to invite people up. Oh my god, honestly I listened to that so yeah.
Well, if we have no question, like I'm down to ask another question to the panel, you know, I have a ton of questions. So, yeah, I guess I want to hear what your reflections are on like offboarding, right? On boarding offboarding. Oh, Black Miboo. Hello. Yeah.
I have a question. I want to ask, what's your relationship with the kid coin? Wonders related to the kid coin? Yes. Do you have a sound collaboration?
Yeah, I can answer that. I'm going to mute your mic while I'm not talking or poo car. You can take it if you want as well.
Yeah, I can take it and can add to it. Yeah, so we do have a collaboration with Bonderar because we see the, and it probably has been apparent from what we discussed here. Like we see the value of what they are building and how they are connecting various organizations.
And you know the fluidity it's really important for us and I think the wonder is enabling it so they are they are actually a few kind of science of our partnerships one is really like just helping to build
to provide the right feedback and maybe connecting with other organizations where we see the need and we as a GitCon might be cooperating because we just love the team and love the two but also for our own sake we want to improve the internal
organization and we are testing it internally at the moment like how we can incorporate it in our operations to really like strength and kind of streamline how we work and how we cooperate with other organizations.
Yeah, and I'll add to that if you go to Wonders page so you can go to Wondersverse.xyz or you go to app.wondersverse.xyz. Gitcoin has a page on our platform where they have some bounties if you're interested in
And I'm sure like who are saying they're working on how they use the product internally because wonder is a cool tool where you have the external piece or you can like you know do bounties public You know kind of public tasks or you can do private internal tasks
So it allows both of that. So I'm sure Giklin's working on over there like how they can be able to incorporate them on the private side of it for more kind of like core team project management stuff. But do you have any other questions BlackBibbo?
Awesome. And if anyone else has any questions, comments, please request. But I forget what the question I was going to ask was before Black
was able to do it on stage. But if you have, I'm curious if you have any reflections or last comments, Lonnie, Pooncar before we kind of wrap this space up.
I have actually one thing I wanted to mention here.
With the fluidity of resources and with the cooperation, I think another aspect would we need to keep in mind its standardization. So we need to make sure that like the experience for contributor, it's similar everywhere. Otherwise, they would spend
more time figuring out how to do stuff rather than doing stuff. And again, I think this we can share and we can build together as a ecosystem through knowledge sharing and what also at Kidcoin and beyond in corporate and other organizations
we are trying to publish is really how to dial and like the standards of Dowing so kind of the organizations can rely to it, the contributors can read it and we can establish those processes which will be like similar across.
Yeah, I would agree wholeheartedly it's kind of like the not so sexy part of the right. The administrative documentation piece, but actually really, I mean, it's so funny. If you think about the fundamentals of open source software, it's all about documentation and creating
you know, like a clear structure and system for how things work and consistency within those systems so that it's easy for anyone to drop in. And you know, I think like when we are talking about onboarding new folks, you know, what I was speaking to before about like fluidity of roles is that the way that I see it is
you know, like when you come into a Dow, you're doing one thing, right? And it's probably somewhat elementary or like, maybe not elementary, but it's like beginning, right? You're like in your first phase of contributing, so there's like a certain level of proficiency in context. And then, you know, it just makes sense that that would be a really
natural way that if you could like document that to the point where anyone could step in and fulfill that role that would be a really beautiful onboarding vehicle for someone else that's new to the Dow and has gaining context and the better we document everything that we're doing and create consistency in systems both within our individual work streams of
across the Dow and in our broader communities, the easier it is for folks to get acclimated. And yeah, I get it's not the most exciting part of this, but for me, I think it's one of the most important and where I mean for me, I actually do find it kind of exciting. It's sort of nerdy, but I really enjoy documenting
process. So yeah, big plus one there. Yeah, that's I mean, that's a great personal school to have, right? Great interest. From Gargitya, what's your accent? Yeah, I just wanted to mention that we should connect offline learning because I don't really like the commanding stuff, but I have something to do.
Yeah, I would love to do that. What's your hourly rate, Lonnie? Thank you, Anne. And that's about the corporation. See it here, life.
live in a real effect. Yeah, seriously, you love to see it happening in real time. So we're one minute until time. I just want to thank everybody for coming, for joining, for listening, I find listeners
Equally as a port and as speakers so thank you so much for absorbing all the gems that Lonnie Pooncar and everyone else on the stage dropped today I'm super excited for you know further connections partnerships friendships with those at get coin and I'm you know no
that everyone at Wonders excited for that moving to the future. We have new last thoughts please you know mute down to listen for a bit but yeah black hand black bamboo you want to close us off
Yeah, sorry, I just checked with your website and
If you are building collaboration relationships with some dolls, right?
Yes, we currently have 88 valves that we're interacting with in ecosystem. Okay, so if there is
If Lao is a Tao, want to build relationship with yours? Is there some requirements?
I guess there is an informal requirement but if you are curious at all you can definitely reach out to us. Just DM wonder and then if you have a specific doubt in mind that you want us to connect with or you have a direct connect we actually you know I think we're and are we doing
not right at the moment. Something that Adam might be working on, but I think what we are doing is where we have applications if you want to sign up and we are allowing that to happen. So if you are interested if you have
We value your treating or whatever like we have that on our website and also we're going to do launching asynchronous onboarding very soon for the platform. So yeah, exciting stuff and I do want to respect one of your first time so we're going to wrap it here.
Black Bamboo, if you have any further questions, please jump into our discord. Kim and I are always there. And you can ask us as many questions you want. So, yeah, again, thank you everyone for joining. I want to give Lonnie and Pooke our one more second if you have any closing thoughts.
Okay very happy to see you.
So yeah, thanks so much for having us and lovely chatting with you all. Thank you for being really happy to be here with you all today. Amazing. I have so much love for you guys. Again, thank you, thank you, thank you.
And more stuff for the future. So, you know, follow Wonder to our discord be able a lot of amazing stuff coming out in the next few weeks. So thanks everybody and have a great afternoon morning evening night wherever you are. Thanks everyone.