Hello everyone welcome to episode 33 of NS interviews. Um, welcome by special guest Alicia. How are you doing today, Alicia? Thank you for joining
Hey, isn't I doing really well? How are you doing great? And I also wanted to say that like Demarai said to say hi to you so I So that you had a really busy day today. Yeah
Yep, very happy to do it though. Super glad to have both of you guys on. Thank you so much for taking the time. I'll get, you know, right started. I want to be appreciative of your time. So to start, you know, how did you get into E and S?
So, eras specifically, I think it was in January, February of 21 after the December 2020 bull run that Bitcoin went on that I kind of came back into the space and more focused on Ethereum. Basically, I kind of started talking about crypto tools.
My husband and he sent me a bunch of email links like maybe check these out if you're thinking about how to learn more about crypto. And one of those links was to A and S and I happen to go on to the A and S manager just like on a random day where a
Alicia.e happened to come out of Grace period and was on a temporary premiere. And I know it's insane. It feels a bit like faded when, you know, it's kind of crazy to think that my first name.e was like available. Well, yeah. So it's coming down in that time.
2021 Team Pre-Premium started at $2,000 US dollars and went down to $5 for a five-perreter name. And so I watched it from the beginning and it basically got to like $5 or $600. And every day my husband would be like, "You are going to regret this so much if you do not pull the trigger." He was just like,
You, there's like no way you will love this down. It'll haunt you forever. And I was just like, okay, okay. So I think it's like $600 and I talk to Trigger every just of the name. And actually the person I did was I changed my Twitter name to Alicia. And that was because I
I just felt like it was kind of an identity in itself and I really liked that. And I wasn't really sure who I was on Twitter, like I literally just used Twitter to follow Liverpool or club news. And so that was kind of really my first kind of foray into being a person on Twitter.
And I'm pretty sure I would have done it without having my answer. And then I started a podcast just like talking to people in Web 3, one of the people I spoke to was Nick. I ended up starting as community lead for E&S Labs and then found out we were going to launch a Dow.
And then basically from like November onwards, like November 2021 onwards, I kind of live and Breathe and sleep the Dow and it's bought us to today Yeah, it's awesome and congrats on the first name. That's very cool. I'm definitely jealous of that
But anyways, so you know, I know one of the questions we have is you know, why is a Dow needed? What's the point of having a Dow? Yeah, I mean, I can speak to it in a specifically. I think it's such a broad wide open topic when we're thinking about like why
project and protocols or communities need dows and what a dows in that particular context because just like a company or a collective they can be lots of different kind of variations of that single thing. So for E&S it is a public good and they say that first because it's really
so foundational for what ENS is as a protocol. But ever since it was created, it has always been a public word and that was the intention. And all of the decision making related to the protocol was made by a 7K holder multi-set and net.a because the founder of ENS.
was only either one of those keyholders, the other six keyholders were people from throughout the crypto ecosystem. And so that in itself is kind of like an interesting point because right from the beginning it wasn't just like this, you know, Nick and his team making decisions about the product.
goal from the very beginning actually, decision making related to E&S was decentralized. Sure, it was only decentralized to like seven people, but that's a lot more than most companies. When a lot of projects kind of talk about progressive decentralization, they generally mean starting with like centralized
within the company and then decentralizing to say community or token hold of governance and things like that. But ENS started with decentralized governance and so when we launched the Dow and November 2021 the logic there was that we were just for the decentralizing that decision making related to the protocol.
And so we essentially went from seven keyholders to, you know, over a hundred, I think maybe over a hundred thousand people climbed the NS Air Drop and currently there are over 60,000 active wallets that delegate NS. So, and then they delegate their NS tokens to maybe like hundreds of
delegates who participate in governance. So that the reason for launching Adalpha ENS was to further decentralize the governance around the protocol and the team felt like at that point there was kind of enough
of a repository of knowledge around best working practices for DALs to be like the right time. I think it also is just really coincidental. I think the DAL launch actually, like the day before or after the highest Ethereum price ever.
So the timing was, I don't know if people in the room were there, but like it was very, very, everything was very hyped. But yeah, so I would say there are two functions of the ENISDOW. One is protocol governance, and two is to distribute the treasury and manage the treasury.
Yeah, well thank you for answering that and it's always been nice like seeing that like from day one, I think you know ENS has had that long term decentralized vision. I think another thing that's great to bring up is that you know ENS never took on VC funding. I think that's one thing that's also very much helped with you know the protocol becoming decentralized over time and so yeah I really appreciate
you explaining that. And so one more question I guess regarding this before we go into the deep topics is what is your role as the governance lead of the ENS labs? Yeah, so I guess the way that I think about my role as governance lead is that when, just like what you
in terms of the long-term view of A&S and the Dow. When we think about A&S and I think it's just a solid baseline to just think in terms of decades. So there's like 50 years or 100 years, whatever it is. And thinking about getting this vehicle or mechanism which is the Dow up and running and
functioning, basically, and it's like first iteration. That's why I see as my job to kind of assist wherever possible to create and build out the infrastructure to set precedence with whether it's like with governance proposals or, you know,
we run elections, whether there are working groups at all, all of these sorts of things, which you kind of need a version one of, and the idea is that, you know, hopefully in a few years, you, the DAW will be able to kind of operate on its own, doing all these things, and they will have learned enough
lessons from the past couple of years on how these ideas go from just being an idea to an experiment to implement it to a precedent or a list of things. And so, yeah, basically my job is just to kind of stand to the dow up and get it working on its own and do everything I can to kind of support people in the community
to do the things that they're best place to do to further the mission of being this. Yeah, awesome. And so I guess my next question would be, so what are some of the distinct roles available within the DAO for individuals and how are these roles typically allocated in terms of times and responsibilities?
Yeah, I have a very strong view about, I guess like membership of the A&S Dow, which is kind of different to how a lot of people think about down membership within, especially the Ethereum ecosystem.
And the way that I define things is to be a member of the ENS DAO, you need to be a token holder who delegates votes. If you have delegated ENS tokens either to yourself or to someone else, then in my opinion, you're a member of the ENS DAO.
the Dow itself is simply just delegate token holders voting on proposals. That's what the Dow is. And then, if you imagine like a, almost like a, so I guess like a solar system where the Dow is like the sun. I'm kind of weighing this analogy so I don't know if it'll work out.
And then you have these different either companies or collectives or organizations that are funded by the Dow and they all weigh environments and they are not the Dow but they are very related to the Dow obviously because they're funded by the Dow. So an example of the
is the ENS Labs. So I, Alicia, am a contractor of ENS Labs, which is a Singaporean-incorporated nonprofit company. And ENS Labs is funded by the Dow with a daily stream. Okay, so that's like one entity. It's like one way to say, I would say like, what on ENS?
one and this is kind of like the only other one there is is we have the only roles within those working groups, uh, Stuart's. There's also a secretory like a working group secretory, but in terms of I would say like contributors, this idea of like having contributors who
members and things like that. It's not really how ENS works with the dialogue with the working groups. I consider just like anyone who is a user of ENS, the ENS community, and I think that anyone like building up to improve or
grow Ernest or Ernest's adoption as part of the ecosystem. And I think that thinking about down membership as this thing that is separate from those two aspects of Ernest really doesn't do a service to the protocol in itself because it
It basically gives the Dow an identity in like, oh, its own. We should only be thinking about the Dow and its capacity to serve the protocol. So basically like, stewards, for each one of them, there are three stewards and each of the three living groups, which are made of governance.
is ecosystem in public goods and and then there are kind of pods which are basically determined like at the start of each term by stewards there might be lead signers on those pods who are stewards or other people in the community or from any slaves and then basically the money just goes out and people are funded
Yeah, great explanation. I think that's really going to put in it. There is all these different things that resolve around what the protocol can provide. I think it's a great point that you made. I guess my next question would be
Can you provide a comprehensive summary of the different diverse working groups within the DAO, maybe explaining their detailed specific functions and roles, and what is it that they fulfill within the ecosystem?
Oh sorry, I must have accidentally muted myself. So now we're going into the fourth term for Ennis working groups. And the way that they kind of came about is just that there is still so much capacity to do so much work really beyond the scope
of what EAS labs is currently doing and working groups are a great way in my opinion to kind of create discrete groups of people who are interested in pursuing these like different mandates and those mandates are
essentially sourced from the ENS staff constitution. So the, I think, let me actually just check. I'm actually going to basics about ENS staff at all. But so article three says income funds, ENS and other public goods. And it basically says like any income generated to the ENS treasury is first used to ensure
and continue development improvement of the INS system and then funds, not reason we use to achieve this, can be used to find other public goods in way three. And so automatically, you probably just heard there are two working groups, INS ecosystem and public goods.
The third one, made of governance is basically just because I don't think you can have a doubt without having any of the governance kind of working group of sorts, which is whose job is to manage kind of the administration and operations of the working group and potentially of the doubt itself.
Yeah, well, thank you for explaining that. And so, could you explain, you know, so for people who don't know, we do have an upcoming sewer election. So could you explain me like the time frame for these nominations and voting windows and then also, furthermore, like what is the established governance process for electing stewards?
Yeah, so basically since the working group proposal was put forward into December 2021, it was repealed and replaced in July, 2022. And that was with EP 1.8, I want to say. And basically, EP 1.8.
The current working group roles and the current working group roles cover everything, like, every single detail related to the working groups. So, like, what the purpose of them is that there are stewards, the roles in responsibility, elections, nominations, the secretary compensation, like,
hopefully everything. And so basically there are two terms for an each year, so quarter one, quarter two, and then quarter three, quarter four. So the second term is from the first of July and that's what the upcoming election is for. And basically there
is now actually I just posted this in the forum. There is a core phenomenations post in the forum which is discussed on ENS.domains and anyone who is interested can put their name forward to be a steward of a working group. Something that is really important to me about ENS
in general and I guess which flows through to the Dow which is that I feel like if I had to put only two values that to me are the single most important things that we should always uphold related to ANS there would be accessibility and transparency and I think that
This idea of accessibility is so important to me because when I came into kind of like the Ethereum ecosystem, I didn't have heart from my e-n-e-same. I didn't really spend any money. It was around the time that the getcoin Dow launched and I just missed it so I came and kind of heard about getcoin after
I'm not sure if I can do anything more to talk on, which is, you know, often the way in Web 3, like, here about a project after it's had a snapshot for a save drop. But I kind of see it to myself, oh, you know, people say you can participate by contributing and like doing work and think about that. So I kind of tasted it with Bitcoin. And I basically went from, you know,
being no-one to being someone that held Twitter spaces and tried to further proliferate the slight public goods, a good meme that Gekuin had going. And that really inspired me to carry that across to A&S.
And basically I feel like you shouldn't need an ANS token, you shouldn't even need an ANS name. You really shouldn't need to have like a single qualifying aspect that you need to get over to participate as a steward, because I think that
There are so many people in the EAS community. I think that the diversity that we have in our community is potentially unmatched in Web 3 and to kind of just like bring in all these barriers is
I think how you kind of lose that diversity. And so, yeah, anyone can be as good. And I think that's really, really interesting to know is that some products
and protocols and projects, they have like, um, effectively like protocol politicians who are like major delegates, but also like the other people on the councils or like deciding who gets the money and stuff like that. And, um,
I am really proud that with A&S, we have so many people who are, say, involved at a steward level, who are genuinely just like grassroots A&S community members who have just kind of like grown as, you know, their role in the project as the project.
and the community has gone. And hopefully that will continue to be a trend with the working groups in particular. So that was a long veto, sorry, even. But I just feel like quite strongly about it.
So in your database youth, you basically have to write a statement in the form and then create a snapshot vote and get 10,000 votes in favor of your nomination, basically to seek a new nomination. And while 10,000 votes
and boats can sound really daunting. If I just look up, so let me just quickly go to maybe EMS delegates page on Telly and if I... well there was a leaderboard, maybe there isn't.
I actually I wonder how many it is. Maybe I'll just try to go to I really feel the teleheader um
So I could tell you like there are 50 delegates with over 10,000 A and S. So potentially 50 people that you could reach out to. But also, you know, those votes can come from multiple people. So if there are, you know,
five people who have 2000 ENS delegated to them, they could put few in seeking your nomination. So it's just like anyway to get it to 10k. And honestly if you have been in a Twitter space and you've spoken, like people know that you're human, it's kind of like our version of sub-or assistance.
Then I'm sure that there are, you know, currents you would so be happy to second nominations of the people who are running. But yeah, and then there's basically only one question that you have to answer, which I think this term is like, why do you
want to be a steward of this working group. I think that's it. And then there's like anything else you want to tell the delegates, but I think last term, the question was, why would you be a good steward of this working group? But I feel like I don't know if that's like a bit uncomfortable
for people to answer. And I feel like why do you want to do it? Hopefully we'll give people an opportunity to kind of just like speak to like a very personal motivation as opposed to it feeling a little bit like a like a CV exhibition or anything like that.
Oh, and so wait the dates. So you can put those, you put like the foreign post and this next up now, but the nomination period is basically between June 6 and June 9th. And that's when you have to get like the 10,000 votes on your nomination by 9am UTC, June 9th. And then the election starts on June 10th and runs for five days.
Awesome, and yes, I did pin up the discussion post that you added to the forum. So definitely everyone go check that out. And I really did all I appreciate the way how you and like the Dow views it, which is I think, you know, by lowering the barriers of entry, you can have local knowledge.
and people who care the most about it and know the most about it, no matter how much capital they have, they can still enter and participate. And so I think that's awesome that people have the ability to participate no matter how many tokens they have. I think that's really important, so thank you for bringing that up.
So my next question is what are some recommendations or insights you would offer individuals who are applying for small grants within the Dow? I think small grants are one of the most talked about grants just because it's much more community driven in the sense that anyone who
who's building something small or at least building something that's feasible by a person or two has the chance of winning these small grants. And so I think there's definitely been a lot of questions and what are the best practices in order to have a chance. So we love to just hear any recommendations you have when it comes to small grants.
Yeah, I mean, my recommendations are based on how I as a voter go through a page and the things that I do. So, I don't think we just like pull up any scratch.exe. So voting is open now and at ends in three days, I haven't voted for this around yet.
but okay so the first thing I do is normally is actually sort by votes just because this is useful to me it doesn't really like have a huge impact on on how I distribute my votes but I think it's just like light and
the cognitive load of saying people that you're probably familiar with as repeat participants at the start. And so you can kind of knock them off and you're like, cool, Prem, I say unregable sub-namery entails. I already have context for that. And so then I keep moving when I get to something that I maybe have not seen.
I know that Greg was making some changes to a small ground site. So now there's a website link. If you put in a website, I would always put on that. And if you've got screenshots, I think that is really, really useful.
Even if it's like a proposal for something that you haven't built yet, but you want to build if you have like mockups or wire frames or like a figm or anything like that, that's really useful. And I always click on like a Twitter link, if there is a Twitter link, I'll just like go Google the dotty name of the person that submitted
the ground. But I don't know if this sounds too crazy and try to find them. And then I will just like kind of do like a quick check to see if they look like they like genuinely are trying to build this thing or if they've like, if I talked about it or anything like that,
And then kind of all other things being equal, I guess I consider like the potential impact of something like this, how likely it is to be used, how desperately it's needed, whether it's likely to have other sources of funding,
And whether like the small grants program might just be a really great way to onboard this particular builder or project to a larger grant down the line. Yeah, that's what I do. Yeah, awesome. Well, thank you for that feedback. And I think you know that type of stuff is really, um,
I'm going to hopefully send a lot of people to this space because I think people just want an understanding of what is potentially going to get them a chance. And so I think that's obviously the first step of a proposal is one, you're creating or you're doing some sort of service or product, but then outside of that being able
to provide a get proposal so that individuals have a chance of voting on you. So really appreciate that. And I guess so, you know, we have covered this last question a bit, but you know, more people have tuned in and I think it's always great to just, you know, keep going over it is like what are some of the different ways that individuals can participate and or contribute to the Dow.
Yeah, so I guess like I wouldn't think about it as contributing to the Dow. I would just think about the kind of the best way to think about it is to think about serving the inists like the protocol and the community and then the Dow is really just like the mechanism through which
which hopefully you're empowered to do that. And so, yeah, I think just like, what, whether you're technical or non-technical is obviously like a really big distinction. I would say if you are technical, just like building tools that you need, I think people like, obviously
Greg Skrill, Steve who is building up G names and has also done my inner spots in the past and things like that. It's just like constantly building things. I think builders like that are so valuable in the inner community because if you
You have the capability. I think there are a decent number of people who would support you if you kind of got anything out and shipped. And I think creating momentum is a really big part of
I guess just like continued motivation to keep building in the space and it's really nice I think for technical builders when you build something and you can see that people like it actually I see had I had in the space and I just saw you know like Dre's tweet about her one to be three sites
that she just put up and it's that kind of, I don't know, that's kind of like the life cycle that you want to see, which is like people building stuff and then people in the community using it and so and then ultimately like growing a new adoption and things like that. I think for
non-technical people in the Ennis community, just like finding ways to be human, which I think the Ennis community does pretty well, but just like engaging on Twitter or if you feel comfortable coming up, coming to a working group call
and you know, discussing different things, creating content for yourself. I feel like for me, blog posts are something that I don't really put out that often. And I don't think I've actually done an E&S-related one. I've done my public goods ones.
But just like based on that experience of spending a decent amount of time writing something and then having it out there and discoverable on Google Favour is one of, I think, the highest ROI things you can do as a non-tankable person. And I think that's one of the reasons why
like the enus newsletter, which you know, day one, I can see day one in the space, I don't know if Marcus is in the space as well, but I think that, you know, the newsletter does really well, um, month and a month out and the grants and the small grants because it is so valuable to just like have that
like Russian account or archive of what's going on. And I also think there's like, there's never too many people talking about the same thing because especially if you can put your own interpretation or your own lens on it, how you explain something won't be how I explain something.
and I'm sure there are people in between that are worth onboarding to E&S or worth deepening their understanding of it. So yeah, I think content creation is just a really big part of being non-technical in the community, which obviously even you know.
Yeah, yeah, well, thank you for you know adding those inputs and I completely agree yeah I'm not technical myself, but I'm definitely trying to day by day contribute as much as I can to the protocol and just you know furthering you know getting the name out there I think that's what's important I think you know the way I describe it is EMS cells itself
but it still has to be said in order for it to sell. So if people just hear about it and they start experimenting with it, then that's all the better. And so I love that you brought up the blogs. I'm actually launching articles on my .e.s.limo. And so I don't know, I'm going to keep trying to do my thing. And I also highly recommend, like Alicia said,
going to some of the working group calls and whatnot, I'm going to actually start doing that myself. I'm trying to do anything I can to just keep getting better and there's definitely more things for me to do and I think we should all be trying to get on the forums and get on these working calls more and so I'm going to personally make that an effort. So thank you for giving us all that feedback. It means a lot.
Yeah, I would also say like when it comes to contribution in general, this is just like a way that I live and I think has served me, which is that I'm really selfish in my contributions. So when I do something
I have no expectation that I will see anything in return and the reason that I'm doing it is to further my own growth and learning and things like that and to upskill myself. The process or the work is the reward in itself. If anything comes to that, that's great.
I really don't kind of, it's not why I'm doing it. And even if that means that I say with actually, well, I was contributing to getcoin for a little while. I was a steward at Colonel, which is like the Swed 3 learning community.
And so I was like contributing at Gitcoin with no expectation, but in like getting paid as a steward at kernel to help run this with through learning community. And that just allowed me to kind of contribute at Gitcoin without any expectation, which was really great. And I think it
It's really tough, like just probably everywhere, but generally in Wave 3, when you kind of think about how early and how new all of these systems and this infrastructure, especially this like capital allocation infrastructure, how, yeah, just like how new it is and how it's still really developing, like even
working groups, we just put up grants, admission forms in the last couple of weeks for two of the working groups, but that didn't exist before. It was just like one before. It's so developing, I think, that not getting recognized financially for your contributions can be really tough.
but they're just like also acknowledging that it's like probably not a reflection of you it's just like a reflection of where this project and this protocol must out is at this time and place but as long as you're kind of doing stuff from like a really selfish place in a good way then you'll just like keep
doing it and hopefully, you know, when everything is firing and also and as you'll kind of get the recognition that you deserve and things like that. But it's just not exactly something I think about because I don't know, where through it can be. You know what I'm saying? It's like one, I feel like doing stuff for one month, it feels like you've been doing it for six.
Yeah, no, that's a great point. And so that's definitely like why I personally, I think a lot of other people focus on what they're passionate about, focus on like what they believe is going to like change, you know, a lot of the world and you know make lives better. I think end of the day, WebThru really has a chance of bringing back more opportunities to individuals on the internet. That's why I'm passionate about it.#
and so really appreciate all that you've said on this and one thing I do like want to bring up is like you said this is these all these systems are newer you know we're constantly working on them so I think everyone should you know have that kind of mindset in their head like look we're not going to be perfect dals are not perfect like I think there's a lot
of times that people give crap on the ENS or any Dow. And I'm like, look, these things are new. And if you compare ENS to most Dow's, well, then you'd be very perplexed at how bad some Dow's are. ENS really is doing a great thing. It's all a working progress, like you said. So we definitely need to just keep doing
just having that kind of appreciation that this is a very difficult thing, a new thing, and that we're all trying to come together for the better of the world, the better of the protocol. I think that's all great things to have in mind because it really is a difficult nuance area of the world. And so we have to have some patience in believing that we're trying to do good things and that
Assume that we should you know, we should definitely assume that individuals are acting in good faith as long as we see that um, you know in their work So I just wanted to throw that out there because to do appreciate all the things labs and just the dial numbers do I think it's important Yeah, it's really interesting actually and just this idea of say like the a and its down
not being great at certain things and having lots of space for improvement. I think part of that is also potentially just around education and so I actually should have pended our basics tweak but basically like basics.nstd.org is a site which explains everything to do with the Ernestow and also kind of
more broadly ines to you in a way that I would tell you about it if I was texting you. So it should again it like it should be really accessible and but something I say just like 10 to the spaces just this recent research paper that came out about DALS and kind of like the state of
of decentralisation and participation of governance and you know, Enes is basically like top across the board and I think that especially for people who like weren't here when the DAW launched and you know it can feel really just like
I almost feel like you just feel like gutted. It's like how I felt with like get going, which is like you're so, you know, excited and passionate about this project and you like maybe came in a couple months after the dad was so much told there was a need for open things like that.
But I guess like in the scheme of things, the digit craze which happened May 22, happened only like six months after the launch of the Dow, which is
kind of insane, but when you think about it, the Dow has only been around for a year and a half. So I think there's still in that time scale of like, you know, decades.
There is still like some time which probably needs to pass before you know things are Experimented with would say like talking distribution again to like the community or to builders or to integration partners or things like that but
Yeah, I think the other thing is just like if you have like no context for delegation and the fact that like in this is a dial that uses delegation, then you might look at any small grants and say, Hey, this is work. There are like, hold on, actually, let me go back. Let me go back to a press around and like tell you actual numbers. So like, too many
months ago on the second-top project in ecosystem there are 13 voters and like 10 of them with above kind of 2,000 votes. You might think like wait all this money gets decided by 13 people, let's work.
But actually, those 13 people might represent 30,000 more. And that's what delegation is, and that's like the intention of it. So yeah, I think there are like all the information is there. It's just I get the end of a part of my job is also to like help disseminate the simple.
So I don't know, hopefully over the next couple of months and I think that's your elections are like a great opportunity for like the working groups and the Dow to be kind of more top of mind for the enus community and I hope that will be the same amount as well.
Yeah, and I think you make a great point earlier. All this stuff is we're thinking long-term, it's supposed to be here for the next 10, 20, 50, 100 years. So obviously not everything is going to become fully decentralized or autonomous as we like it from day one.
But honestly, I was actually saying that he and his center like an actually like a really good job of being decentralized and autonomous compared to like basically every other day. I agree. I'm just saying like technically, you know, if you're a big one, Maxi for example, whatever. I'm just saying like
Technically, you know some people have high standards. I'm just trying to make the point of look We're doing a great thing right now like you pin up the top We have some of the best decentralization within all dals so it is just like literally dals as they whole are new and dals as a whole take time to decentralize so things take time people
You know the world wasn't built overnight the digital world not gonna be built overnight ENS won't be built overnight, but like you said Yeah, we I think that like I'm proud to say that I'm you know a part is community and I think the Dow like you said is very well done compared at most hours so props to all the people
people who help contribute and make it more decentralized, more autonomous over time. I agree, sorry if I didn't come off though, but no, I'm very much impressed by how much is done in only a short amount of time, I mean 2021, that two years ago are less kind of crazy, so yeah props
everyone. And I think, you know, like you said, education is really important. So just keep bringing these things up because it's really complicated subjects. You know, they get lost in the Twitter timelines. It's hard to necessarily find all this information. So the more we talk about it, the more people who learn about this, the better. That's how I view it at least.
But yeah, so no, I really am thankful for you taking this time and again everyone just let you know the again there is a steward election coming up so if you have any tokens make sure to either delegate or vote and I don't know either
I think it's really cool that anyone can contribute or do their own thing. Anyone can create content, buy tokens and vote, anyone can build on it. It's really cool to embrace being a part of this community and doing something.
You know, in Web 2 and Web 1, you can't just be a part of Google and contribute to Google. But with this, you are a part of the INS community and you can do something. And I think it's really empowering. So I think it's awesome, you know, what this whole community is about. So, yeah, I just wanted to throw that out there. Everyone should
to do their part and just for your own interests, like you said, Alicia, for your own interests because you'll enjoy it because you want other people to see it, do it. So do it for yourself and do it because you think others will want it as well. So yeah, any last words, Alicia, I really do appreciate you taking the time today.
I just posted a link to basics.inist.org which I actually have to update because the protocol upgrades that got past a couple of months ago now, I haven't updated
the site since then. But generally, like the information is all great and it's like a really good context builder for anything related to the ENIS style. And yeah, hopefully you
will keep saying me, creating more content and making that out even more successful so the community can participate in any way that they feel like they want to
Yeah, that's awesome and really appreciate all you do and you know all the you know labs member and stewards and everyone who has a part in the ENS community means a lot to me. So thank you all for taking the time. Alicia, thank you for all the work you've done with ENS and for being here today and I'm going to be sending people
people to this space because I think, you know, although you can find these type of questions that I asked all across the internet, it's still great to have one dedicated place where people can just learn about the value more. No matter how many times you read something, it's not about idea to read it again, learn more about it.
appreciate it and keep up to great work. I know the Dow is doing great things and can't wait to see how everything develops. Awesome. Amazing. Thank you so much, Evan. Yep. Thanks everyone for joining. This is episode 33 of ENS Interviews. Take care and I'll see you next Tuesday. Bye. Bye now.