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Epoch 7 Climate Cohort Spaces
Recorded: April 16, 2025 Duration: 1:14:54Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, various crypto projects showcased their innovative approaches to sustainability, including Octant's funding model for public goods, Seabrick's kelp-based construction materials, and Bioverse's efforts to empower Amazonian communities. The emphasis on collaboration and transparency in funding highlights a positive trend towards community-driven climate action.
Full Transcription
Thank you. you
Thank you. We'll just wait a little bit. People will start rolling in. I'll play some music in the meantime.
Thanks for coming.
GM Joe in Atlantis.
Can you guys request to speak, please please I'll bring you up I think
it's works better like that I can also send out invites, but you got to kind of catch it as it goes by.
Otherwise, you miss it.
Cool.
Everybody up.
Nice.
We'll just wait about five minutes and then let people come in.
It takes people rolling to spaces slowly. so fast no time to process and no i'm not in the game but i'm always on set wristwatch drip drop label want the tick tocks now i'm making tick tock music what they from i need a cleanse need a detox but we ain't got time to stop the charts need us fast forward me
2023 i'm stacking lots of cheese and making my breath is really green honestly i can't even
fucking cap no more this is a really dark time for me.
I'm going through a lot.
By a lot, you mean drugs?
Oh, I wouldn't.
Drugs?
It's a natural plan.
No, I'm not judging.
I'm not an addict.
I'm just saying.
You want to talk about it?
I mean, fuck.
I like pills.
I like drugs.
I like getting money.
I like strippers.
I like to fuck.
I like day drinking and day parties in Hollywood.
I like doing Hollywood shit, snorty Pollywood.
What can I say?
The shit works, it feels good, and myself worse at an all time low.
And just when it couldn't get worse, my ex crashed my place and destroyed all I.
Oopsie, made a oopsie.
$100,000 oops made me boopy.
I ain't a killer, but don't push me.
Don't wanna have to turn a nigga guts into soupy. Whoa, whoa, okay?
You're behind Astral, right?
You can request, dude.
I can send you the invite to bring you up, but it only stays on the screen for like a
few seconds, then you got to catch it, otherwise it's like, so if you want me to send the invite,
give me a thumbs up, otherwise you got to request, okay?
In the meantime, we'll listen to some music.
Spotify was a little bit tricky today,
so it's maybe one or two songs from yesterday. dropped a couple of songs and then i went and got signed that was 2021 okay i just feel like this is the perfect opportunity for us to just take a second and kind of unpack what happened to you
you know this guy cheated on you and nah
fuck it platinum record this and live will record that i'm making so much money i'm all over the net
i'm moving so fast no time to process and know I'm not in a game, but I'm always on set.
Squats drip drop, label up the TikToks.
Now I'm making TikTok music, what they fuck?
I need a cleanse, need a detox.
But we ain't got time to stop.
The charts need us.
Fast forward me, 2023.
I'm second lot to cheese and making long 80s.
My dress is really green.
And honestly, I can't even fucking cap no more.
This is a really dark time for me. I'm going through a lot. By a lot, you need drugs. Oh, I can't even fucking cap no more. This is a really dark time for me.
I'm going through a lot.
By a lot, you need drugs.
Oh, I wouldn't.
Drugs?
No, it's an average point.
No, I'm not judging.
I'm not an average.
I'm just saying.
I don't think. You want to talk about it?
I mean, I like pills.
I like drugs.
I like getting money.
I like strippers.
I like to fuck.
I like date drinking and cave parties in Hollywood.
I like doing's here.
Oh, there's enough people yet to get started.
Just to be mindful of everybody's time and make sure we get through all the projects.
We'll quickly go through, like, do some stuff.
I think everybody here is basically an old dx dow i mean i beg your pardon
octant octant participants so i think everybody understands how octant works and how it funds
and stuff like that so i'm not going to do a big spiel here but basically just octant is
part of golem foundation who has 100,000 staked ETH.
The staking rewards are collected every 90 days,
and then a portion of these rewards are distributed to the LOC GLM holders.
They can then use these rewards to fund public good projects that are in the current epoch.
This one is epoch 7, and this funding happens during this two-week allocation
period in which we are now so we've got about another week left of this and then once we come
to the end of this allocation window the we use a quadratic funding equation that helps match
donations from the matching pool and that basically improves or basically delivers what we like to call impact
funding and that's also a big reason why we limit the amount of projects that participate in an epoch
so my name is Wayne I do the socials at Octant and you can always reach out to myself or Nico
we're the two people that basically front-facing most of the time if you have any questions or need any help with anything. I'm going to get started right away.
Basically, I would like it if we can go through the introduction where everybody, I'd like to
hear from you guys. Obviously, you'll talk about your project, but it would be great if you could
introduce yourselves from a personal perspective, who you are be great if you could introduce yourselves, you know, from
like a personal perspective, right? Like who you are, what brought you to the space that you're in,
why you're passionate about it, and, you know, why you continue to do what you do, even though
there's obstacles and all that stuff. I think it's good to make the personal connection, and then we
can circle back and you guys can jump into your projects. I'm going to go through the list as I see it over here or as I see you on stage.
Joe, I see you first, so I'm going to call on you, please.
Please introduce yourself and, you know, speak, do the thing.
Ah, thanks so much. Can you hear me? Am I coming through okay?
Perfect, man. Thank you.
Awesome. Awesome. So hi, everyone. I'm Joe Brewer. I'm originally from the Ozarks in Missouri in the United States, but I have been living in Bardichara, Colombia for about five and a half years now.
I'm the founder of the Earth Regenerators community that really built up a big framework for how to regenerate the entire
planet through a network of bioregions and large-scale landscape systems. And we have been
building a living laboratory and a prototype of regeneration at the bioregional scale in the
Northern Andes here in Columbia for about five years now. And I'd say a lot of my passion and
interest comes from a really deep academic and
intellectual background in cultural evolution, complexity, science, and earth systems.
And so I have a pretty deep understanding of the state of the crisis of the planet.
And a lot of what we do is really about creating frameworks of collaboration for
creating regenerative economic pathways, large-scale ecosystem restoration,
and regenerative education.
So that's sort of like the flavor of me for now.
And really excited to be here
participating in this Octant round.
Thank you, Joe.
Appreciate that.
Next, I'm going to call on John from Seabrook.
It's actually Ben from Seabrick.
Sorry, Ben. I didn't know. Gotta forgive me.
No worries. No worries. Good to be here with all of you.
I am hanging out inside of a variety of different accounts recently as I am helping a bunch of different projects, including Elephant Room down there.
Shout out to my friends behind the elephant room account.
Um, but see brick, uh, is this project that, uh, my friend, uh, John Richardson,
who is the founder of a group called Ethelo, uh, started, uh, some of you might
know Ethelo, the kind of decentralized decision-making tool, uh, maybe talk a
little bit more about that later.
Um, but you know,
just in terms of a personal introduction, I am the former grant program lead at Gitcoin,
which is probably how a lot of you know me. I also was one of the leads at Thrive Protocol for a
while and ran the ThankArb program, amongst other things, for a while. So I've definitely been on both sides of
the funder funding paradigm. First got involved in Web3 way back in 2013, 14. And I won't tell
you that whole story because it'll lead up too much time. But long story short is I did my first
talk at a Bitcoin conference in 2015, I think it was, which was like maybe 30 people in a coffee shop way back then.
And what I talked about was how Bitcoin and blockchain technology may help fund the energy
revolution. I actually wrote a piece for Huffington Post lifetimes ago about that long before,
you know, refi and regen was really a thing um i just saw this
opportunity for like funding for climate solutions that wasn't coming from the big banks to come from
somewhere else and the idea of creating your own currency and uh you know sort of being in
opposition to the to the big banks uh you know seemed like a really exciting and worthwhile thing
um john just to say a little bit about him, was the founder of a group called the Pivot Legal Society,
which provided legal support for low-income people in the downtown east side of Vancouver,
some of the most impoverished people in Canada.
And that was how we first met, actually, like me juggling and him hula hooping at the back of a festival that I did not realize
he was organizing. But he was just kind of hanging out at the back. Totally fascinating guy. He's a
mathematician and a lawyer. And, you know, he's just kind of one of these very generative people
who has lots of good ideas. And I worked with him at Ethelo. And I've been watching the development
of Seabrick for a couple of years. And then as I was kind of deciding where to go next with my, you know, career and work,
you know, this idea of like helping make something that's a big problem, which is, you know,
concrete and the emissions associated with it and the impact that has on the whole planet
whole planet into, you know, go from a problem to a solution seemed really exciting to me.
into, you know, go from a problem to a solution seemed really exciting to me.
And, you know, this project has really been hitting its stride as of late with, you know,
big partnership with an indigenous community and prototypes being built and actually out in the
world. So, yeah, I'll talk more about that later. I've used up more than my two minutes already.
Great to be here with all of you. So many familiar faces, so much love. Hey, John and John and Ear2 and Joe and everybody,
it's great to be here with you.
Much love.
It's been a while since we've hung out, some of us.
Good to see your faces on the screen.
Thanks, Ben.
Yeah, I see the emojis are popping off here today.
I see it's a nice warm crowd here.
It makes me feel, it warms my heart too, I must say.
I'm not sure who's behind Open collective account please introduce yourself and then let's go yeah hey
this is me xavier so good to see you ben what a small world so good to uh yeah to see so many
familiar faces john as well hi everyone Hi, everyone. Region Avocado.
Yes.
Good to be here.
Yeah, so where to start?
I'm here representing Open Collective.
As you can see, the whole idea is to create,
basically to apply what we've learned
in the open source community to organizations.
Because we've learned that when we are transparent when we share
we don't compete anymore with each other but we can complete each other and given the size of the
climate emergency what needs to be done to regenerate it's really time to embrace that
philosophy as we build all of those climate projects and And so, so yeah, so quickly about me, I'm an entrepreneur,
I'm a software developer. I was one of the co-founders of Regents Unite, which was all
about bringing together people working on regenerations, whether they come from crypto
or from climate activists, which I was also part of Extinction Rebellion and got arrested a few times for trying to raise the alarm bell
on the climate emergency.
And so I experienced firsthand,
having had a previous career in Silicon Valley,
this polarization between the people who master technology
and the people who want to do something for climate.
And I realized that, geez, if we really want to do system change,
not climate change, we're going to have to find a way to work together. And so, yeah, that's how
RegentsUnite started. And so now I've been kind of shifting gears a little bit to go back to
building missing pieces of infrastructure. And one of them to me is making it easy for people to start a DAO and manage
their DAO for regeneration in a transparent way, in a way that rewards people that contribute
not only money, but also people who contribute time and energy. And so that's what this new
version of Open Collective for Web3 is all about. And I'm excited to be working with you all
to fund all of those projects that matter
in a way that allows us to get more visibility
on how the money is spent
and what we can learn from each other
so that we can iterate faster
and allocate our resources for the future.
Well, thank you, Xavier.
That was great.
I really appreciate that.
That's what I love about these spaces is they give me, and I personally don't know all
the projects, so it's a perfect opportunity to come and learn from everybody and hear
from everybody.
So that's fantastic.
Just want to take a bio verse.
I see you in the audience.
Please request to speak, and I can bring you you up and then we can have a chat.
Next, Itu, please come up, introduce yourself in Atlantis to us.
Thanks.
Hey, everyone.
This is Ritu from Atlantis.
Yeah, I think firstly, this is a pretty surreal moment for me.
Sharing a space with Ben, Xavier, Joe, it's pretty cool.
A lot of these guys, I've really looked up to them.
In my short time in crypto,
I've just been here for three years.
My background is I'm actually a mechanical engineer
and an industrial designer.
I've spent the last seven years working on climate,
and my journey into climate was a little different.
I keep telling that my journey started from water rather than carbon.
So it was a very different experience.
I learned a lot of things.
My first startup was called Hydro.
We were trying to build a lot of things. My first startup was called Hydrop. We were trying to build
a community water network. And this was during COVID, so it really picked off. And at the peak
of it, we were probably the only company in India who was trying to help people harvest rainwater
and exchange with one another.
There was no way to even tax it.
We were that early.
This is like in 2019, 2020.
But long story short, that picked off.
But then the local water mafia really didn't like us.
So they started trying to shut us down.
They did all stuff like everything from sending lawyers
to random calls threatening us.
So that was a very,
like we felt like, okay, tech maybe works,
but then the way we go about doing this needs to change.
And coincidentally, one of my long-term customers
was a blockchain founder,
the founder of Arcana Network.
He called me to his office and he gave me a whiteboard and told me,
tell me what do you want to do?
I was telling him that I want to build
a decentralized network for something very similar.
That got us started with building Atlantis.
The fun fact is in our first startup,
we had a Google map where we were mapping
water stress in Bangalore and trying to pitch custom solutions.
This project was called Atlantis.
In 2022, we started Atlantis as a new project.
The idea was me and my co-founder don't want to be
at the single point of failure for something we build like this.
We felt we wanted to build a Hydra.
That's how we thought we should come to blockchain and try to build it.
We're kind of odd in Web3.
We see it as a means to an end.
But I think Xavier and Ben and Joe's advocate,
we're all trying to figure out the coordination game and at huge landscapes.
So yeah, here for that.
Thanks, Itu.
I agree with you.
This is a very good space.
I'm also very happy.
I probably one of my favorite ones this week,
if I have to say.
And for those of you who didn't see E2's tweet,
I actually pinned it at the top of here.
This was a very nice roundup of all the projects in the space.
I mean, in this epoch, I thought it was a great, like,
summary for anybody who's curious about who to support and where.
So for any of you that are interested, please take a look at that.
And for you guys on stage, I also please, I would like
you to, you know, if there's something you want to pin or something you want to put it here,
something you want people to understand or see immediately, please feel free to post it up here.
Recordings always available after the space and people will come, will see these pins and see
these tweets and that's how they can basically reach out to you and then you know find out more information about you but uh i think uh let's go to john i saw you drop back down so you're
gonna have to come back up i'm not sure if you ah there we go wait one second
john is from astral and he's due to speak.
John, can you hear us?
Yeah, sorry.
I've been fading in and out on the connection, but I think I'm here now.
Can you hear me all right?
Perfect.
Give it a go.
Great.
Thank you so much.
Hey, everyone.
It's great to meet you all.
And yeah, it's so fun to see some old friends and new friends like Ben.
It's been too long.
Anyway, yeah, I'm really excited to share a bit about what we've been building at Astral.
And I mean, I know we'll get to that in a minute, but I think my backstory might help a little,
explain a little why I see what I see at this opportunity space and kind of how this all came
to be. But yeah, I'm John. I am the founder at Astral. And so I grew up in Colorado in the US,
just near the mountains. So I spent a lot of time in the mountains.
My family would take holidays and go canoeing and sailing and trips to the rivers and the sea,
lots and lots of time outside enjoying the beauty of the world. And a lot of that was learning how
to read topographic maps and use maps to navigate the world safely and effectively. And then, yeah, after I left
school, I kind of had a bit of a meandering path. I started my career as a cliff diver
at an Acapulco-themed Mexican restaurant on West Colfax in Denver called Casa Bonita.
If you all have been to East Denver, maybe you went to an event there. It's pretty legendary.
Anyway, went on for an undergrad in biology and environmental studies.
And yeah, I've been involved with tech startups for the last 20-odd years.
The first one was building a location-based app.
I was a cycling tour guide, ski patroller.
Anyway, in 2017, I was back in Denver and I got a job at a research
unit at an international NGO studying maritime security. And I was their data guy. I was the
guy who was analyzing shipping patterns to understand how piracy affected maritime security
issues. And so it was me kind of really starting to get really interested in geospatial data technologies.
And at the same time, I was also really developing an interest in Web3 very quickly onto Ethereum and smart contracts,
thinking about how expansive and flexible they were and what we might be able to build with them.
how expansive and flexible they were and what we might be able to build with them.
And I remember, yeah, I wrote a memo at this NGO about how rogue states evade maritime sanctions.
And basically it came down to one of the key things was they were able to turn off their AIS transceiver,
which is how they ping off their location.
And I just thought, you know, hold on a sec, we've got to be able to do better than this.
So I spent a lot of the last seven years or so thinking about that question.
How do we verify where things happen in the world?
And that's sort of what what Astral has become.
But yeah, last last few years has been a Masters in spatial data science and visualization.
So really going deep on the geospatial computing stack.
Wrote my dissertation on the opportunities of connecting sensor networks, like IoT sensor networks, to smart contracts.
And went to Ordnance Survey, where I did innovation and DevRel work.
Ordnance Survey is the UK's national mapping agency.
And then I made the UK's national mapping agency.
And then I made the leap fully into Web3.
So I got involved with Kernel,
kind of started what were the precursors of Astral, and then got an opportunity to co-found a startup
called Toucan Protocol,
which was focused on improving access
and accountability in carbon markets.
So we were building advanced financial infrastructure
for carbon markets.
I was a co-founder and head of ecosystem. And yeah, speaking to people across the whole community,
technical, non-technical, press, NGOs, government, all sorts of stuff. And talked to so many projects
who wanted to get access to carbon market capital, but we weren't in a position at Toucan to do the verification.
So anyway, a year and a half ago I left Toucan and I've been reflecting on the experience.
I've been doing research with the University of Maryland Geographical Sciences Department and
now I'm building version zero of Astral, which I can get to in a few minutes. Thank you.
building version zero of Astral, which I can get to in a few minutes.
Yeah, thanks a lot.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, that's good.
I think we will circle back around, and now I think everybody can just introduce the projects,
what you're working on, what's important to you at the moment, and stuff like that.
I'm not 100% certain if we'll have time at the end.
So I would think just drop in a little bit of information,
like what's your immediate roadmap and this kind of stuff,
like immediate goals, what the funding might be working for
and used for immediately.
And again, just a reminder, please pin anything that you want
to attach to this space, okay?
So I'm going to come back to you, Joe.
You can give it a go.
Awesome. Yeah, I'm feeling like so just so beautiful in the alignment of what's happening here.
Just a lot of, you know, field builders. We're all field builders. So this feels really good.
And I want to share like what we're doing. We have the design school for regener Earth, and we're building a planetary network of bioregions and helping local organizers.
And we've created the Earth Regeneration Fund.
And there's layers that are beyond what I'm going to talk about now that are about how we can take what we're doing in Bhadichara and bring it to the world.
So just to say this is a very deep project happening in Colombia, and it's connected to a larger network
of territorial foundations. It's a network of territories doing similar kinds of work, but we're
more advanced in Colombia, and then also a planetary network. So I just want you to have
that sense of the larger context. And now what we're doing in Bhadichara is itself very, very
complex. So there's a lot of pieces to it.
Over the last four years, we created a territorial foundation, and we've been weaving among what are
now up to about 50 local regenerative initiatives, thematically organized in four different categories,
each of those categories being pretty transversal. There's regenerative economy, regenerative education, restoration of
natural ecosystems, and territorial healing slash regenerative culture. And in those four areas,
there's a lot of work happening. And one of the big things that we've been developing in the last
year is a context for stakeholder groups for these different local initiatives to self-organize
into those four thematic areas, and then to do collaborative budgets, strategic visioning
and agenda setting, having conveners and facilitators helping in the processes.
And a lot of my work in this that actually gets my hands dirty and gets me deep into
the community processes themselves
is related to regenerative education. So even though we have a lot of work going on with
reforestation and watershed restoration and creating community aqueducts and bringing land
into the commons, there's just a lot that's happening here. But a big focus for me is that
I've got an eight-year-old daughter and I'm looking at how we're preparing the children for the future that's coming and how do kids just grow up restoring
watersheds and growing forests and feeling deep connection to the land so there's a lot that
that is in the current roadmap I have around three levels some of them are pieces that I'm
not working on but that are part of large of the team and parts that I'm working on myself.
One of them is we're creating a geoportal, which is a geospatial information system for gathering data and capturing stories and then helping to build a shared bioregional framework for restoring watersheds and ecological corridors.
borders. And then another is around creating a funding ecosystem of ways of creating governance
and allocation of funding and strategic agenda setting within the different thematic areas that
I mentioned. And then the third, which is the one that I'm actually the second and the third of the
two I'm most strongly connected to, the third is an actual learning ecosystem, which is identifying
the different ways that learning is happening and helping to build coherence and coordination, and then also financial deal flow. So for example,
there's a lot of work with centropic agroforestry. There's work with just knowing the local tropical
dry forest and reforestation and watershed restoration techniques. And then there's
pedagogy and education with children. And so it's like up and down the scales, you know, adults, youth, kids.
There's also regenerative entrepreneurship and creating alternative economic models.
So it's just to say there's like this whole web of things,
and we're wanting to show how it can be done at holistic landscape scales
and at the larger bioregional scale.
So the big focus for us in the next year is really demonstrating done at holistic landscape scales and at the larger bioregional scale.
So the big focus for us in the next year is really demonstrating how the administrative and monitoring systems and the geospatial referencing systems can come into alignment
with financial flow and collaborative agendas while all of these initiatives on the ground
continue to move forward.
So we're doing this in Baritura and collaborating with nine other territories in Colombia through
the movement of territorial foundations.
And then with the design school for regeneration, regenerating earth, collaborating across five
continents.
But the focus here is on the work in Badi Chara.
So that's like my whirlwind version of what could be like a three hour conversation.
But I hope that at least gives you a feel. And really excited to be here alongside all of you
doing this work.
Yeah, thanks, Joe.
That is great, actually.
But it sounds monstrous, to be honest.
Sounds like a lot, man.
Really.
But it was great.
Bioverse has joined us on the stage.
Nathaniel, is that you behind the account?
That's Francisco de Lias, your Bioverse.
Okay.
Yeah, we're going to give Bioverse an opportunity
just to introduce themselves.
And then, you know what, we'll also come back to you.
So please just introduce yourself now, who you are
and what makes you passionate about what you're doing.
And then we're going to circle back
and you're going to get an opportunity
to chat about Bioverse as well. Okay okay we'll make sure you get get your time
fantastic i'm francisco de lia one of the co-founders and ceo and i've been in the geospatial
intelligence industry for the last 20 years and three different continents, looking at all different things and building massive data infrastructure
for big decisions and big money.
But also at a point in my career,
I decided that it was important to fall back
into why know all this and do all this.
So I'm a geographer born and raised in Brazil.
And during those 20 years I watched
the Brazilian Amazon shrink tremendously getting to its biological tipping point
according to scientists which means the great dense diverse tropical rainforest
starts to change into savannah on its own due to the level of degradation and we created Bioverse
five years ago with the idea of shifting economic drivers that lead to
deforestation and I was fortunate to be able to materialize my dream my career
dream my life dream into this company and And today we are 14 people. We've built this on
our own. We haven't raised any capital and we are actually changing things on the ground for the
Amazonians, for people living in the forest. So we basically are using cutting edge geospatial technologies and intelligence with artificial intelligence to locate and
quantify productivity as in non-timber forest products.
And we've learned that the forest can be productive and produce yields that are far greater than
any other activity, such as cattle ranching, precious mineral exploration, animal poaching.
The forest spending, when people are active working with it, wins in every scenario.
So cutting down the forest becomes, we've proven that cutting down the forest is a bad business. And now we are looking to scaling that model
and creating a protocol for carbon projects
to follow what we've learned.
And I appreciate the opportunity to be here,
and I cannot wait to say more about our project.
But I'll stay tight.
Nice meeting you all.
And congrats on all your work.
Fantastic stuff.
And yeah, looking forward to continuing to be part of this community.
Thanks, Francisco.
I'm happy you came on the space
because actually I didn't know about Bioverse.
It's great to hear.
But we're going to give you a chance.
You can come back and you can give us
some more information.
It sounds super interesting.
Fantastic. Thank you.
Yeah, cool, man. We're going to continue. Ben, please come up and give us some more information,
okay?
Sounds good. Before I jump in, I just wanted to give a big shout out to Octon for running
this round. It's such an innovative model that y'all have in terms of like how to actually fund public goods
and just seeing around dedicated to to climate with so many great projects and um you know and
a like really sizable amount of funding available for it like just really fills my heart with joy
so i uh yeah i just want to like raise my hands to the whole octant crew i know it's a lot of work
putting these kinds of things together.
And also to John and the Climate Coordination Network folks who played a huge role in this whole process of making this work.
Yeah, just want to, you know, as somebody who's run Grand Rands myself, I definitely get how much work it is.
So thank you for what you're doing.
So Seabrick.
So I mean, Seabrick basically started as an idea around like, what could we do with kelp? You know, it's one of the fastest growing carbon sequestering plants
on earth, if not the fastest, you know, grows like feet every day, like, you know, just tremendous,
tremendous capacity for sequestering carbon. And, you know, it right now has a bunch
of use cases, but there's, you know, also, you know, not as big of a market for kelp as there
could be, you know, like, basically, when you take kelp, and you sort of extract the useful stuff
from it, you know, you're left with all this pulp, you know, and the extract can be used
in fertilizers and in tinctures and in all kinds of things, you know, quite effectively, but the
pulp is generally just kind of discarded, which is by weight, the majority of it, like you could
kind of think of it as, you know, if you're juicing some vegetables or carrots or something,
and, you know, and you get the little bit of juice out and then there's this tremendous amount of like sort of leftover roughage.
And what Seabrick is doing is turning that material
into a replacement for concrete,
starting with floating concrete.
And this idea has been in the works for a few years.
John started with a group of students
at the University of BC and got some grant money to basically get a bunch of students working on this as a grad student project.
And they started testing different models, different mixtures.
The act of patents, a relationship with a Northern British Columbia, uh,
indigenous community who is a traditional harvester of kelp, um, and has a number
of different successful businesses that we now have an agreement with to do a
pilot project, uh, as well as a relationship with Lafarge cement, believe it or not.
Uh, one of the largest cement companies in the world who's helping with the
of the largest cement companies in the world who's helping with the testing and feasibility studies.
testing and feasibility studies.
You know, so really a project that is like got legs under it and has quite actively avoided
raising money from venture capital. Like, you know, is trying to basically have a big impact
in a way that cannot be bastardized, to excuse my language, you know, to make it so that this project kind of stays true
to its values and does not sort of, you know, drift away from it. Any large scale farming that
you do, whether it's on the ocean or land, you know, can have negative consequences. The flip
side of that is, can also have really positive consequences. You know, kelp forests can play a massive role in ecosystem restoration,
you know, can be very helpful to, you know, the local flora and fauna in many different ways.
And one of the patents that John has actually got is for an innovative structure for kelp farming.
And the one other thing I'll add to this, which I think is kind of
the icing on the cake or kind of the nifty additional sort of component to this is that,
you know, John has not only come up with a way to make, you know, a form of concrete out of kelp,
but he's also created this interlocking brick structure, which kind of acts like, I don't know, like Lego, you know, times a thousand.
You know, so it's this very structurally sound, stronger than concrete when bound together,
very buoyant and less expensive than concrete, importantly, specifically floating concrete.
And, you know, that to me just spells a recipe for a tremendous amount of innovation.
I mean, obviously it's got to be cost competitive.
It's got to be, you know, as strong or stronger.
And in both cases, that's what we're seeing in the testing is that, you know, these bricks, which you can see, you know, if you go check out the Twitter account that I'm talking to you from right now, you can see pictures and video clips and stuff.
that I'm talking to you from right now.
You can see pictures and video clips and stuff.
We actually have, you know,
there's been prototypes for years,
but now we're actually getting to the place
where we have like molds
and can get into that sort of scalable level of production.
And we're also working on design schematics
for a lot of different ways
of kind of easily putting together structures.
So whether it's, you know, a marina or a kelp
farm or any number of other things, you know, Seabrick can be used to build these things in
quite a user-friendly and easy way. And one of the intentions behind this organization is to
create a co-op that people can be a part of where they can, you know, contribute to some
of these projects and actually own a piece of these projects, which to me is a really
important component of this.
As well, you know, we're looking at ways that for every seabrick that is sold or every structure
that's made out of seabrick that's sold, that there'll also be sea bricks that are generated and given away for things like
refugee camps and disaster relief and, you know, and many other sort of important causes. So,
yeah, I could not be more excited about what is happening right now. It just happens to be kind
of a key moment where, you know, this relationship with this indigenous community is moving forward. We've got designs coming forward from architects.
And, you know, a lot of this information is just going to be like open source and publicly
available.
So if people want to, you know, play with these designs, like a sort of a Minecraft IRL sort
of scenario, we're also working on like an interface that people can use to actually come
up with their own designs and then try to raise funds to actually make those designs a reality uh and i'll tell you one last thing and
then i'll stop rambling on uh the probably the project that i am personally the most excited
about that we're in the midst of is what we call uh kelp island one uh which is a uh a project to
take a decommissioned oil rig uh and turn it turn it into a, uh, a kelp farm.
Um, so like to, you know, again, turn something that's like a big negative into a potential
positive.
Um, and you know, this is a, an idea that we got actually, because we were finding researchers
who were actually growing and harvesting kelp.
Cause it was just kind of naturally occurring on these decommissioned oil rigs.
And they started thinking like, you know, what could we do to enhance this?
And what could we do to really like double down on it?
You know, and it has the potential to turn something that's like a massive cost for the companies who have these rigs
and are responsible for, you know, dealing with them at their end of life.
But also, you know, just a poetic thing to turn something that
is like so associated with like the problems in the world, especially if you're focused on climate
change. And for that to be kind of the ground zero of, you know, building something new. I see
an opportunity for the network state folks who want to, you know, do seasteading or like,
you know, build, you know, sort of intentional communities in various different
ways. And, you know, maybe another time if you're interested for anybody who's a governor, you know,
this is where John and I have been really nerding out on what we could do with Ethelo in these
scenarios. So one of the things that we're building right from the beginning for co-op members is ways
to meaningfully participate in decentralized decision making, which is really what that company Ethel is all about.
So there's a lot of synergy between the various different things
that, you know, John has been working on over the years.
And, you know, we're right at this moment where, you know,
you'll see more and more of these bricks actually literally floating around in the world.
And, you know, and with some time, we'll also start, you know, making versions of
these bricks that can be used on land as well, to, you know, to really try to have an impact on that
massive multi-billion dollar construction industry that I think is very much ripe for disruption.
So, yeah, if you're interested in that, please, you know, drop us a line, get involved, you know,
we're inviting everybody to come be part of this movement.
And I see a lot of overlap and interplay between all the different projects
that are in this round.
So, yeah, stoked to be part of this with all of you.
I will stop eating up so much oxygen.
Thanks for your time.
Thanks, Ben.
I must say, Seabrook sounds super interesting, dude, really.
Xavier, please come up, give us some more context on...
Yeah.
So, feel free also to have questions, if you have questions to share.
So, yeah, basically, long story short for Open Collective,
really, the idea is to
make sure that all of our projects that we do for climate,
that we can learn from each other and that we can really,
you know,
know better how we spend the collective money, right?
Because we all our projects here are basically
receiving money from the community so i think that the community ought to know how we are spending
that money um so that we can learn from each other and we can also like make sure that the money is
spent wisely and so actually i have a request actually i asked to everyone here is that um
if you want to play the game like please like
reach out and let's work together to make sure that the money that you will receive through octant
that you can basically provide a proper reporting about how the money is actually being spent
because i think it will be very useful so that we can all iterate and make sure that the money is allocated to the product that can make a difference.
And so, yeah, so Open Collective has been actually around for 10 years.
I started that back in 2015.
And the reason why I started Open Collective was because I was able to do my first startup thanks to the open source community, right?
And as soon as I raised money with VCs,
I tried to give some money back and I couldn't
because it turns out that all of those great open source projects
don't have a bank account.
And so I was like, ah, that's ridiculous.
And so after I found a solution
which was using existing legal entities and basically
virtualize them so that as an open source project, I can basically rent a slice of an
existing nonprofit.
And so instead of just having the largest open source project, like the Linux Foundation
or Mozilla, that they basically have enough funding to pay people to start a foundation.
Like there's this long tail
of all open source projects that can now just rent a slice of the open source collective that
we started back then and they can start receiving money from all of those companies that make use
of them and so of course now you know fast forward to 2025 we now have web 3 and so now it's actually easy for any community
to start a crypto wallet and so that's great um but it's still you know it's not because you are
uh in in um on web 3 and and on the blockchain that you necessarily are transparent about your
your funding and your finance and and how you spend that money and so that's why like we want
now to build a new version of open collective that's going to be really meant for all of those
projects that leverage web3 um so that not only they can be more transparent about their funding
but they can also like more easily manage their different tokens and all of that
and maybe to share some numbers.
So open collective has been around for 10 years now.
We had more than 6000 collectives.
More than 2500 of them are in the open source community
and they've raised $50 million so far.
And overall, because we also have collective that are about climate with the All for Climate
fiscal host,
with whom actually we work with Gitcoin
and Ben and John to start a
climate round on Gitcoin.
And there is
$3 million for more than
200 different collectives working on climate
projects across
Europe in particular.
So we really look forward
to basically be able to, yeah,
to bring another piece of the puzzle
to make sure that all of those projects for climate
can operate more like open source projects, basically.
That's to me, like kind of the summary is
how can we all operate our organizations, our projects like we do open source projects
on GitHub, right? So that we can really learn from each other, find where we can have the
biggest impact and all of that. That's what we are after here.
I love the vision of that, dude. Honestly, I think it's fantastic. honestly I think it's fantastic and I think it's really
needed I also believe that it's super innovative to operate like that so very nice very nice indeed
so yeah please so please reach out and I think it would be great and fantastic for the
Octet community in general that because people will feel much more like inclined to donate
in the future if they see that all of those projects are actually being very transparent
that they really operate you know with the same ethos as the open source community I think we're
all gonna have we're all gonna win from this we're all gonna make the pie bigger for everyone
and if you can make the pie bigger for all of those climate and regenerative projects man i'm done for it i also have a daughter she's 12. so i also deeply care about what world we're gonna
leave for the next generation yeah i think that's important i mean i would like to extend an
invitation to everybody here we have our town hall tomorrow and i mean everybody's welcome to come around and we can possibly chat
some more talk some more you know it's a very open kind of conversation style event we don't have a
set agenda usually so please if you feel you want to attend tomorrow please come by and let's chat
some more um francisco i'm going to slot you in here because you're basically this is where you
were on the list so please come up and give us some more Bioverse.
And then after that, we'll do E2 and then John.
And then we're going to be close to the top of the hour.
Okay.
Fantastic.
So a little bit about the Bioverse project.
We have heard of carbon projects and carbon markets, right? So basically, there is a
global, it's a global sized market, where companies are trading their emissions, and buying credits
from places from forests, for instance. And we're watching that industry grow to, multi-billion dollar industry worldwide, adopted by Fortune 500s and now
in decline. But we hope that this is a temporary stress on the market. We hope the carbon markets
continue to grow in the future. But we realize that when a company buy credits from a remote part of the Amazon rainforest,
when you visit that location, there is very little that improves on the ground.
Very little is left there.
So that project has basically zero permanence and zero impact in a livelihood,
in a social fabric, and the economic drivers
of the Amazon itself.
What destroys the Amazon?
As a geographer, I can tell you this scientifically.
If you look at the numbers, what destroys the Amazon are illegal economic drivers that are
basically unstoppable. There's no police or park rangers or legislation
that's gonna really shift those illegal forces.
Cattle ranching, logging, animal poaching, illegal mining.
These activities are coordinated by the people
around the forest that have interest in exploiting the ecosystem.
But the communities there are in the Amazon
also don't have a lot of opportunities
when it comes to any of this.
So their land gets taken away either by the cattle ranchers or the legal miners, or gets taken by a carbon project now.
So the sense of empowerment for the ones
that occupy the territory, there's
30 million people there, isn't there.
So when we look at activities that actually
are compatible with the ecosystem and the people that
occupy them, there's not a lot of them.
So imagine the oils and the nuts and the pulp
that are actually native from the Amazon
and they are viable under a standing-forward status.
So we focused our attention into empowering these communities
to locate, quantify, and create business opportunities
around harvesting palm trees.
Every year, they can be harvested and we realized that that work needs to be scaled
up and needs to be baked in the existing carbon market.
So when our project consists in developing a protocol that is inclusive of the activity of harvesting
that will actually benefit the communities that is inclusive inclusive of
biodiversity it's not only carbon which will allow project developers once they adopt our protocol to develop projects
that produce more outcomes to the Amazonian people
and to the communities that occupy the ecosystem.
And the idea is that we collaborate with others,
spearheading open protocols for carbon project development.
But we are very uniquely prepared,
not only to assess these areas and help communities,
but we are equipped to map,
quantify, and help these communities to become entrepreneurs.
So a project with financial support, quantify and help these communities to become entrepreneurs.
So a project would come with financial support
and will come with geospatial intelligence
and proper return on investment.
If, for instance, a private sector would like to invest
in certain products they are in demand that come from the forest such as
brazil nut oils aside pulp uh prakashi and many others so our goal here is to create a protocol
that will allow um non-team of forest products and communities to participate of the global carbon markets. It's as simple as that.
So we're collaborating with leaders in protocol development, like Open Forest Protocol.
And we are leading the mapping and the communication with communities and stakeholders that actually are interested in scaling up the abundance
of products that are harvested and produced sustainably in the Amazon.
So if anybody has any questions or would like to connect with us, please be in touch.
And yeah, thank you so much for the opportunity.
Thanks, Francisco.
I told the other people,
please pin any tweet that you want to the space.
I see that you just did.
Okay, great. Excellent.
Okay.
Irtu, that's here from you, please.
It seems that we might go a little bit over,
but if everybody's okay with it, I'm good. We can go to the end of the space i think it's good it's important to
hear from all the projects and i think that it's lovely to hear from everybody so i'm i'm happy to
hang around i don't think that there's a big rush unless of course you have to go then we're sorry
of course you have to go then we're sorry to lose you but if you can hang around please do okay
to lose you but if you can hang around please do okay
hey guys so uh yeah yeah i think i'll use this time to give an overview of what we have been
doing at atlantis and uh pretty much like how we are playing a part in climate and climate action
pretty much like how we are playing a part in climate and climate action.
To begin with, like I said,
my previous startup we were doing a lot of things with water networks.
One of the biggest takeaways for us was,
there is a coordination playbook that we developed during our first company.
We decided that, hey, how can we take
this coordination playbook and start building out these Lego blocks?
Definitely use the web 3 so we can
decentralize things as practically as possible,
especially we operate in a lot of global south,
where everything from off-ramping to
smartphone adoption is still tricky.
So we were very mindful.
Let's say that our big vision was,
how can we turn this handbook into a protocol,
protocol for coordinating climate action,
and especially at large scale.
It's like the Cosmo local moment,
like Joe was talking about.
We do things at landscape level and then we
share what happens at a bioregional level.
So the idea was this.
So we didn't go out and build a protocol,
which is what most people do.
Maybe it's also because I'm not a traditional developer,
I'm more of a designer.
We started with building applications.
So we built a bunch of applications which use these Lego blocks.
The first product that we built was called Impact Miner.
It was a platform which was gamified for
people to share their impact data and in return they get rewards.
We built this first because we knew that it is
extremely hard to mobilize people on ground.
For a lot of people for whom
climate change is not even a reality,
they're worried about next month's rent.
So how do we go about coordinating all of these guys?
We developed this product which helps people set up their profile,
tell us what their skills are,
and then in that locality we would match them to potential work.
So it was in essence like creating green jobs.
Then we built a second product called Impact Foundry.
The idea was that this was more of
a personal thing because last two years,
we are not funded by any VCs.
We have so far been funded completely by a couple of grants systems.
One is primarily Gitcoin and then we also were
fortunate to get a grant from Mercy Corp.
I'll talk about that later.
The idea was that impact reporting was really tough.
I could either spend half my time and my resources
on marketing and shilling on Twitter,
which otherwise I could use for actual work.
This seemed pretty limiting.
This led us to build the second product,
Impact Foundry, which is,
I call it like the notion or base camp for region projects.
The idea is that you can put your project management,
do it entirely there,
and automate your impact reporting.
So what happens at the end,
like whenever you have grants,
you're just sharing links to all the work that you do,
and you're not in essence like
going and collating all the reports.
So we built these two products and we were like,
how do we battle test this?
That's where we were fortunate to get Mercy Corp,
because we initially did go pitch to a lot of investors,
we're like, we're just tree huggers.
There's no profit in this, nobody wants to do this.
But Mercy Corp was like, you know what,
this sounds pretty cool.
We definitely want to see how Web3 can be used for coordination.
So we ended up going to the most challenging environment we could find,
which was in India and rural India,
where even smartphones are the new thing.
Forget crypto. We went there,
we did a pilot for five villages,
where the local villages came together,
surveyed the landscape,
identified local water stress.
There were people who were getting paid to do surveys,
some people who are being paid to do water tests,
and all of this was coordinated through these two products.
We recently finished that pilot.
It's been six months,
and the end result was we exchanged over 21,000 liters of rainwater.
We created thousands of green jobs, and quite a lot of them for women.
All of this was done through these two products.
I'll end by saying that we are very,
it answers, hey, what's the future for Atlantis?
We're very close to launching
the third product built using our playbook.
It's called Impact Landscape.
It's mainly for fundraising,
but instead of the traditional list,
add to a car, that experience,
we are trying to make it really visual.
So to do this, we were fortunate
to collaborate with Green Pill Network.
So we are starting something called as
a Green Pill NFT collection.
This is probably one of the rare instances where dynamic NFTs have been used to map real-world region actions.
And the idea is that people can mint this NFT and use it across any of these three products that we have.
So whether you're a region with money, a region with really good mastery like so many of you here,
or just someone with time.
You have three different applications to engage with,
and it would be an honor to have people like Joe,
be part of this NFT collection.
I'm hoping all of you like Seabrick, Xavier,
I see even like it's a wide range.
The goal is to create a large-scale coordination game.
I've never done anything this big,
so I'll definitely play on my skin right now.
So yeah, that's pretty much what we've been up to.
I'll put up a little bit about
the Green Pill NFT collection so you guys can have a look at it.
I'll end by saying, I think,
take a leave from what Ben said.
A big thank you to Octent.
So far, this round has been phenomenal.
This is the second time we are ever participating in Octent.
We've got a lot of support.
Yeah, 10,000 grants are not
enough to do the kind of work we all do.
We need so much money,
like all the kind of money that these AI companies are now get.
So this is probably the first time we have a shot at having
a decent runway to just focus on some really impactful work.
We're hoping that all of you can support us.
It's an honor to be here.
Thank you very much, Ito. That was great.
It's really the work you do sounds
super impactful and very rewarding.
So I commend that.
And let's finish off with John.
I think, John, come up, give us your last reel, and then we can end up.
Thanks, everybody, for staying.
I really appreciate it.
Yeah, great.
Thanks, and yeah, I'll bring it in for landing.
I'll bring it in for a landing.
Yeah, wow.
It really is amazing how many projects are just doing such impactful work.
And I think something that strikes me is just how much collaboration, kind of cross-cutting opportunity there is.
People working together and people even forming connections on the space.
I'm finding that myself.
It's really great to meet you all and hear about what you're working on.
Yes, I'm really excited to share Astral because in a really big way, it's designed to support the builders on the call.
So I gave you guys a little bit of my backstory.
I spent the last seven or seven plus years looking at the intersection of these two knowledge domains, blockch. Web3 systems are open, they're durable,
and they're opt-in. And thinking of Web3 as a set of design principles has really helped me
kind of the question of what it is becomes a lot more tractable. I can look at a project and ask,
does this align with the principles? How not? When are these principles actually appropriate?
When are they not?
They kind of sit in tension with each other.
But anyway, I've spent a lot of time also thinking about
how would you build geospatial data system,
location-based apps that align with those principles?
How would you build a user-centric alternative to Uber?
How would you build a verifiable system for measuring the impact of a carbon project? How would you build privacy-preserving Tinder, right?
Experiments, a mobility app, which was kind of optimizing traffic flows using congestion charging for vehicles embedded with IoT devices to pay their charges via smart contracts. metrics. And I've designed and built experiments with location-based games, local currencies,
impact monitoring applications, all built on decentralized systems. And there was a bunch of
opportunities to take these projects forward, but I kept kind of tuning into this intuition,
which was a pattern that I saw, based on a pattern that I saw, which was that all of the apps that I was building
in finance, in mobility, in gaming, in social networking,
all of them that used spatial and location data had a common set of needs.
And there's a rule in software engineering, right? Do not repeat yourself.
And in Web3, that's leveraged because by adopting shared protocols, open systems
can be composed into more and more sophisticated systems with a lot less effort put on coordination.
So I don't know, this is sort of the basis of the intuition that kind of led to Astro.
But yeah, I mean, maybe take a second
and think a little bit about
what makes the modern internet magical, right?
It's, a lot of it is this connection
to the physical world.
We've got smartphones, we've got GPS,
we've got geospatial databases,
and suddenly we have location-based services
and apps that become essential
to how we move and navigate,
who we meet, what we do.
And there's a special kind of call-out I want to make
for a system called PostgreSQL,
which is a workhorse of modern computing
as a database system, right?
SQL database system.
And it has this extension called PostGIS,
which is pretty simple.
You install it when you set up Postgres. It adds some structure,
it adds some functions, and suddenly you can store and query geometry representing
geospatial objects, geospatial features, places, people, devices. So it gives new
structuring capabilities to a really flexible system, this little change, a few constraints and functionality enhancements unlocks a huge new range of use cases.
So anyway, I kind of give all of that context setting to introduce what we're building at Astral, which is a spatial extension for the decentralized web.
extension for the decentralized web. With the Astral protocol, we introduced the location as a
first-class data type to use across decentralized systems, including in smart contracts. There are
three main components of Astral. One is what we call the location protocol. Sorry, actually,
there are two main components of Astral. One is the location protocol, which is signed,
structured location data that can represent anything the location data can represent.
And that's built on EAS.
So location attestations can be held off-chain or registered on EVM blockchains where EAS contracts are deployed.
And then there's another piece of functionality we're working on, which is called spatial.soul, that are smart contracts that contain geospatial logic, where you can measure distances and test
containment, whether or not a point is inside of a polygon, introduce other rules that essentially
turns blockchains into a backend for location-based services. So together, these introduce a new
feature for smart contract developers, and that they can modify smart contract behavior based on where users are, which means you can build a lot more kind of locally focused applications.
We're really excited about some of the things we're already starting to see.
we're already starting to see.
We've got an SDK in development and an API that is live
that makes it easy to query, verify, create,
and work with location data in this Web3 systems.
And I think just to kind of close with really what's the point, right?
We've got a whole bunch of different things you can build with this,
but focused specifically on climate, which is really where my heart is.
If you imagine people building a DMRV app, right? First, you got to register the project boundaries.
That would be a place where you could use our location protocol to create an attestation. This
project exists at these kind of this polygon, these coordinates. And then whenever someone
goes out there and takes a measurement, takes photo fills in an ecological survey something like this they can
create a an attestation that has that that metadata attached they can attach
as well location proofs which serve as evidence that they were actually there
and that this this data wasn't actually just generated using AI and all of this
is user controlled can can be registered on
decentralized verifiable systems
and built up into
much more sophisticated
kind of data analytics pipelines
to measure the impact
of a project over time.
There's all sorts of other stuff.
We've got people looking at
building location-based games,
augmented reality layers,
geocaching.
We're working on privacy tools
like zero-know knowledge location proofs.
So yeah, there's a lot that can be done with it.
We're really excited about it.
And we're really, really excited
to be getting closer and closer to the climate community
and to be in this round.
I guess, yeah, I'll close by echoing Ben Octon.
This is amazing.
The opportunities that you're giving people to build
without kind of worrying about certain types of constraints
that can be really helpful to motivate a project,
but can really introduce some warped incentives to how people build.
This public goods funding has been so instrumental to us.
And I just want to thank you all on behalf of everyone in the room for what you've been doing in getting some real kind of, yeah, leveraged funding to teams that are building these tools that are really meant to help regenerate the earth at scale and scale our climate response.
generate the Earth at scale and scale our climate response.
Yeah, thank you, John.
I really appreciate all the shout-outs and everything.
And I do, I think that there's been a lot of chatter amongst us internally.
We all love this round very much, you know, the whole story of the impact of these climate
projects.
And I mean, a lot of these projects,
a lot of us don't know.
So every time we hear one of you talk,
it's fantastic to hear you tell us the story,
hear about your knowledge
and hear what you're up through.
And it's really inspiring to get a human innovation
and never ceases to amaze me.
Honestly, it's just amazing what you guys are doing.
And I really appreciate you guys coming here today, speaking.
And I'd like to, like I said, please, I'm inviting you guys
to come to the town hall tomorrow.
Please just come around.
We can chat.
It doesn't necessarily have to be about your project,
but just to chat and get to know each other and learn how to –
this is basically what community is long-term, right?
Long-term is actually like building brand value, so to say, in a way.
So if you guys got the opportunity tomorrow, please, I'd appreciate you guys coming around.
And thank you very much for everybody for staying and listening, giving the projects
an opportunity to come.
Francesca, thanks for coming.
Irtu, thanks, guys.
John, Xavier, Ben, and to everybody that stayed, I really do appreciate it.
I think that's basically all that we have this week coming up
is just that the Dragon's Den, which is basically,
and then tomorrow is the town hall.
That's at 5 p.m. UTC.
You'd have to check what that is for you locally,
but it's at 5 p.m. UTC,
and it's a very open style kind of sit and chat basically, right?
So please pop by if you guys have got time.
The allocation window is open until the 24th next week, Friday.
It's a little bit more than a week.
So please, if you have the opportunity, I went here and allocated myself today.
And I saw that there's already a lot of donations and support going down.
So it was good to see.
But please pop around and go and see that.
Thank you, everybody, for coming.
Really appreciate it.
Great to hear from all of you
have a good rest of your day
cheers Thank you.
