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🎙️ Equalizer AMA: 2026 Goals
Recorded: Jan. 20, 2026 Duration: 0:40:09Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, the Equalizer team outlined their ambitious plans for 2026, including a major project launch in Denver, innovative token updates, and a focus on community growth. They emphasized the importance of user engagement and strategic partnerships to enhance their DeFi platform, while also addressing current trends and challenges in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
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please get blake and equal up here Yo, yo, yo. What's up, everyone? Let me know if you guys can hear me by giving me some emoji reactions, please.
Get Blake and equal up here.
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All right, Blake, you should be good and then let me get a
equalizer account up here good morning what's up blake gm how you doing
yeah good man good it's uh lucky for coffee is all i can say here in australia what is it
seven o'clock so it's yeah i know it's a real good morning here
it's a it's early one for you but i'm glad yeah i'm glad you got your cup of coffee here and i'm glad uh you're joining us today man um i also invited the equalizer page up here if you want
to add them i'm not sure if someone's on the other side yeah they should be they should be jumping
on um uh also if you want to add jeff jeff's sitting there as well he was going to jump on
uh also if you want to add jeff jeff's sitting there as well he was going to jump on me uh
i think he got the request here jeff awesome jeff crypto approved okay awesome um yeah we'll
get started shortly just wanted to make sure uh thank everyone you know for being here so far uh
we got a handful of people in here uh tuning in um you know we're kicking off these spaces we want
to make sure you know we sure we connect with the apps on
the Sonic ecosystem with other partners kind of down the pipeline and keep you guys updated on
everything. That said, a couple of updates. Just in case you missed it, we'll be going out to
Denver, our first event of the year in February. We'll go ahead and share more information on our event soon and if you missed it you know we have
our events that we posted yesterday that all the places that we'll be at so go ahead and check that
out hope to see some some of you in person get some interviews and content with you guys as well
etc and all that fun stuff but um enough of of that uh what's up blake once again welcome back uh hopefully
you've had a good new year and a good start to the year so far um how are you doing man how you doing
yeah good man i think um it's been one of those uh you know it's it's been good to welcome 2026
i think after um you know the end of 2025 for everyone that's been here in crypto. So I think we've all got a little bit more
optimism in 2026. And it's exciting to, yeah, to sort of sometimes flip the page, leave what's in
the past behind and look forward to the future. So from our perspective, I think, yeah, 2026 seems
promising. I'm into here. I love that. I mean, you know, starting the new year is always good.
You know, you get that early momentum. Obviously, throughout the year, you try to
maintain it. Things change, you know, in personal lives, in business, et cetera. Jeff, how about
you? I'm not sure if you're going to be speaking, but how are you doing? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I hope you can hear me okay. Yes, you're good. Yeah, great. 100%. I think 2026 is not only going to be a big year for Sonic,
but also a big year for Equalizer.
I mean, the team has been with Phantom and Sonic for like,
I think this is going to come up to three years
or like over three years now.
And it's like, we just shipped our most promising updates yesterday,
like just in time for the spaces that we've been working on for the last couple of months.
And I think it's just a really exciting spot to be in where like we can take this new, our new improved app and then just kind of be like, okay, guys, go wild.
You know, like we're building the stuff that you asked for, for like the last couple of years.
years. And then from there, like, let's get more people in. And then when they get here, like,
our app is going to be like, in a good place to welcome them to the chain.
Absolutely. And I think that's a good segue to my first question. For you guys, there might be
some new people in here. I see a lot of the, you know, a lot of builders, a lot of community
members in here already that might be familiar with you guys but for those who might be hearing of equalizer for the first time can you guys uh
explain what it is and uh what can a user do on your platform i don't know if you want to take
it first blake or you guys decide who speaks first and second but that's the first question of the
day today yeah so um yeah i'll take that one from here so so basically equalizer for anyone that's
new and there's probably not a lot of people,
we've gone through this a lot of times, a lot of people on this call I'm seeing here
are probably pretty familiar with Equalizer, but for anyone that is new, Equalizer is a
V33 Dex that was derived from Andre's original vision, Sodly.
We made some fairly heavy adaptions at that point uh where we changed some things
uh to basically really change the economics or the tokenomics of the system to try and really
align it more into more of a DEX model with that vote escrow um opportunity to direct the flow of liquidity so it's a liquidity hub that sits on sonic um but
basically the way that we uh send or fuel the liquidity on the exchange is by voting for the
most lucrative pairs so to speak so uh equalizer itself is basically if you want to think of it and this is for people that are you
know maybe even newer to crypto in more simpler terms it's like a uni shop with a vote escrow
model or a vote model over the top that helps the efficiency of allocating liquidity but it also has
the opportunity for people to um to do what we call like incentivize liquidity or bribe for a word that we used to use a lot more back in the early days.
But what that does is allows people to come on and incentivize and grow their liquidity.
So there's a couple of opportunities across Equalizer depending where you sort of sit, whether you want to provide liquidity, whether you to own the nft and vote and earn the
fees because anyone that sorry i should have said anyone that owns the nfts uh the ve equal nfts
where you lock your equal they are the people that earn the fees and the and the incentives
that come through to the platform so it's got this nice flywheel effect that basically gives people opportunities to participate across all facets of the decks or in certain aspects like provide liquidity, become a governor and vote and earn.
So effectively, it's giving you the ability to sort of play all different angles across the decks.
across the decks.
And then obviously it helps us provide those swaps
and that efficient liquidity for the network,
which we've obviously got a lot more features now
than just the decks with aggregators
that aggregate the liquidity across the whole network
to make swapping easy and things like that.
So I think a lot of us have adapted
and Equalize has put a lot of things out there first, which we've then seen adopt through.
So I think we're in a space where everyone's building and trying out new things all the time.
And it's always good to know that you're at the edge of some of that stuff as well when you start to see it get implemented across a lot of other DEXs as well or places and products where you see that even taking some of your ideas for inspiration
and stuff like that.
So that gives a little bit of a wrap on Equalizer,
but any questions on that?
Yeah, no, thank you for giving us a kind of a high overview.
Like you mentioned, starting in space, you guys have been around,
obviously, during Phantom Days.
It's going on three years now.
I kind of want to dive in a little deeper on stuff that
you've mentioned, obviously. So the next couple of questions you can, you know, obviously you
build this liquidity hub based on the V33 model, but what sets it apart from other DEXs on the
market? And what is the core DeFi challenge that you're trying to solve? If you want to go deeper
on a little bit about what you just spoke right now yeah okay so so one of the biggest things that equalizer did and um you know
at the end of the day we I think we've most people around sonic have seen um how long uh so so if
you sorry let's let's take a step back so if you go back to the the early days as Velodrome and then Equalizer. So what we did, I would say, to sort of change a lot was at the point where we came on board,
there was no other, everyone was sort of, you know, playing around with Andre's sold version,
but they weren't focusing on fees.
It was, you know, either and and things like that at the time
to fuel the engine right what we did and really switched to that point is we changed it to
we want to make this like a dex dex equivalent fees right because um andre's initial was 0.1
right and then i think velodrome had a top of 0.05 we went in and went straight for like uniswap rates 0.2 percent
um straight off the bat which was basically saying we want the fees to fuel the system so that was
the first economic change that we made that set us apart and a lot of actually everyone's adapted
since then so no one has has really gone down that really low fee model anymore everyone is looking
to generate fees because it stimulates the flywheel. The second thing is what we did is we changed the tokenomics to have
longevity, right? Because when you have a model like this, where you emit tokens to
encourage liquidity, call it encourage liquidity, you effectively find that your vote APRs drop.
Okay. So this I would say is probably equalizer's biggest
strength so what happens is when you launch a deck it's really easy to say oh it's the best
because we've got these high aprs right but it's how long can you sustain those vote aprs for
because as dilution comes in and this is the biggest change that we made at the time and i
still like like we've got a lot of reference sites that we've had over the years
to show the the apr that comes to voters for equalizer and it's still up there with the highest
three years in right and usually um well if you compare it to all of them it's actually higher
because what we did is we we basically constricted the tokenomics of the system
so that it would not dilute the voters too heavily.
So we've chosen longevity.
There's two models you can choose in this space.
You can either choose quick, you know, throw the emissions out, get the tokens out, or you can be sitting here having this conversation today where we chose longevity.
And I think that is one of the biggest things that separates and and changes what we did within the space
especially for the v33 model and why um we have always been so um how do you say yeah we've always
been so bullish on the model and and the longevity of it and and that we can um you know put a hand
on our heart and invite token holders in knowing that our system has not been
built to just last three months or something like that. So the other thing we did, which was huge,
was the rebase. People are going to say there's all these other things that we did, but the biggest
thing we did is we removed the rebase so that we only rewarded new people to enter the system
rather than continuing to only or to reward heavily the initial people because we felt that that, again, stopped the longevity.
So if we go back to these areas, that's where we differentiate in the space by having that long-term sort of vision.
And I think what we did a lot as well is, and I know it goes up and down with Phantom and Slash Now Sonic, but we really took the model to the retail side, okay?
And that is, in some ways, been a good thing.
And also, it is a little bit of an Achilles heel currently with not so much retail around.
not so much retail around but what we did is we thought we want to um sort of not be chasing the
protocol side which is you know the bribers and everything that's why we upped the fees
we wanted to position as that retail sort of decks with the community behind it which is something
we've done over the years so and we can go further into that and there'll be sort of the areas where
we touch on more of that yeah absolutely, absolutely. Thank you, Blake.
I don't know if Jeff, you want to chime in there before we move into the next question.
Yeah, I mean, I think the one thing I would want to add is that I think that,
especially on Equalizer and on Sonic,
the fact that we did put a lot of the emphasis on retail rather than the protocols
has meant that we've built and and managed to sustain like a large-ish community for the last
like couple of years who are still receiving like 25 to 26 percent uh vote apr like even after this
long time and despite the fact that we have uh the the smallest inflation also of like any v33
model on the market so it just means that like when uh when sonic is ready to rip you know
like when the volume starts coming through that's when the system is really going to shine because
you've got these holders who are dedicated to the system and know that it works over the the long
term and you've also got like token scarcity on the equal side so for when people want to get in
and get a part of that, that's when that
starts becoming like beneficial to the flywheel. That's when you have, you know, the tokens got to
kind of go up because there's just not going to be any liquid supply, which means that obviously
that's going to then up all of the voting, sorry, the liquidity APIs, and it's going to bring in
more fees. And that's kind of how the whole flywheel works in general.
And the one other thing I want to say is like on solving core DeFi challenges, I think it's
quite difficult because a lot of DEXs are at a point where they're all trying to solve
the same problem.
Like we're all just trying to get the best rates for our users and the best kind of execution,
be it with either concentrated liquidity or, you know, whatever
may come in the future. So I think as long as we are just staying at the fold, like we are with
our new manual concentrated liquidity solutions and, you know, other things we've tried over the
years, and we continue to innovate, I think like people will just continue to recognize and put
their faith in us, because obviously, Equalizer is quite a battle tested decks at this point.
And people feel safe to,
to kind of come and like join on,
join us on this journey.
Yeah,
I agree.
I think it's,
yeah,
it was one of those,
you know,
like you said,
it's battle tested.
It's,
it's been around.
You guys have proven your guys' work and the product speaks for itself.
Right.
I know you guys mentioned right now, You guys have proven your guys' work and the product speaks for itself, right?
I know you guys mentioned right now a couple of the current product updates and the features,
I want to touch on that.
But before we move to that question, I want to get your guys' thought leadership in the
sense of the overall DeFi landscape itself.
Some might say DeFi is still in the young phases, which is true, but it's also matured
throughout the last years.
What are some of your guys' takeaways?
We'll start with you, Blake.
What are some of your guys' takeaways throughout the last few years on the maturity of DeFi
and products that have been around and tested, you know, time with their products?
Yeah, DeFi is an interesting one, right? Because it's had its ups and downs, definitely. And I
think that if you want to participate in DeFi, you need to level your skills up. And that's been
evident, right? But we're starting to see some things come in that make it a little bit easier
um like account abstraction and things like that right but when you want to participate in defy
i think and this is just more of like advice you really need to upskill right and i think that
there's so much opportunity out there um to to play in the space and it is growing but you also
need to really skill up
because you're dealing with contracts
that you can't read, for instance,
or understand for most people.
If you're not understanding the space,
then there is those little things
that you need to sort of school up on.
And I know that things are making it easier,
like account abstraction and things like that.
But I think the real opportunity in DeFi is being able to manage your own business, so to speak.
So you can effectively go in, take a loan, provide liquidity, use certain products to enter and exit the market, like concentrated liquidity.
and exit the market like concentrated liquidity.
So effective or you can just participate as an owner of a mini Binance,
call it, where you just earn the fees that come through
by owning the token and voting each week.
But at the same time, skilling yourself up
because I think DeFi is only going to continue to evolve.
I think a lot of the shackles have been taken off with the US
changing their regulatory situation.
And I think that's sort of rippled across the rest of the world as well.
So I think where I think we would change a lot is we're going to continue
to see more clarity to understand exactly what DeFi looks like
and there'll be some more stringent rules put in place that we can sort of
roll alongside. But just to sort of legitimize it, because I think, you know, even being in
DeFi three years ago was a bit of a scary space because, like, realistically, like, who knew
what the world or what was going to happen from a, you know, from a government or worldwide government type perspective.
I think that certainly in these last area or last period where we've actually
felt a little bit more comfortable in the DeFi space, you know,
people have all created companies in different countries, like, you know,
the British Virgin Islands and all that sort of stuff to try and, you know,
keep some removal from
the from from what they're doing and you know proxies and things like that to stop people from
from getting to to their website from different countries and all sorts of stuff so I think we're
starting to see that clear up a little bit more and everyone's putting their stance on it so from
the DeFi perspective I think it's about schooling yourself up so that you know what to expect and what the risks are involved.
But at the same time, how can you leverage that?
And, you know, people do tremendously well when they understand those little nuances and where they can maximize their capital throughout, you know, whether it's just stablecoin farming or whatever.
Yeah, I do agree defy is fun but there's still the slight hurdle
and i think there's a lot of room for improvement for the sector itself um obviously to attract
more users to attract liquidity and ultimately have people use the application right um and
things like that and earn earn yield um in the space one thing that too i kind of want to um
talk about is that i know a lot of people are
vibe coding right now using AI. So I'm kind of curious to see how that kind of
comes back into the crypto space. I know maybe a year ago, AI and DeFi kind of meshed together.
There were some cool products out there. So I'm kind of curious to see how that evolves.
But that's a conversation for another day. I want to touch a little bit about what you guys have already mentioned
and some of the updates you guys already have.
So correct me if I'm wrong, you guys have the new multi-swap feature.
And obviously, you guys just announced the manual concentrated liquidity.
Tell me a little bit more about that.
Walk us through some of the use cases and what users can do with that.
So sure, all right.
So it's basically a lot of the stuff that we added in the newest update, which we basically
called Equalizer Midnight, like internally, is like an entire rewrite of quite a lot
of our systems.
So we took the great base that like Zod created, who was a previous developer, and we basically
just improved it in like all the ways that we kind of wanted to.
We sat back and we said, guys, what do you want from our decks?
And what do we want from our decks? And let's do it.
So obviously the number one priority for us was getting manual concentrated liquidity
because there wasn't many other options on the chain.
I mean, especially back on Phantom, I don't think there was any options on the chain.
Obviously now you have a few others on Sonic, but it's good for us to basically say, you know, we're in a position where we want to continue to build Equalizer with the times.
You know, we can't just sit back and say, oh, well, now there's competitors like, you know, what are we going to do?
you know, what are we going to do? Like, we have to think, okay, well, we just have to keep
Like, we have to think, okay, well, we just have to keep improving our products.
improving our products. So obviously the number one of that was, was getting concentrated liquidity
in, which was something people requested for a long time. The other one was that we were bringing
some new stuff like the multi swaps, which again, some other DEXs have it, but other features that
we created like buy mode. So like, you know, usually when you go to a, to a swap page or
you only have the option to sell a token for a token.
But now we have like a little toggle
that lets you buy the exact amount of tokens
that you want instead using your input token.
We rebuilt the entire dashboard
so that people can have it in like a modular view.
So people can just drag it around
and pick only the information that they want to see.
We added the, I believe the first dust busting thing onto
Sonic. So if you have a bunch of tokens under like 10, $20 in your wallet, you can clear them all out
really quickly using that tool, which is great for when you get voting rewards and stuff like that.
And then we just did a general sweep of like the entire system. So we still have the best
of like the entire system.
So we still have the best trading routes on Sonic,
because I think we have the most integrated swap like routes
than any of the other DEXs,
because we still integrate with Flytrade
and the Open Ocean as well.
And we also have some other like nice ease of use things
like improvements to our voting
algorithms so people can get the most money and like changes in the ways that you can claim
rewards so you don't have to claim them like one by one you can batch claim them by specific tokens
and all this stuff so i'd have to it took me a little longer to go through like all the stuff
that we did but pretty much like when we put our trailer out we said like it was like the equalizer like built for you kind of version because this was all the stuff that we did, but pretty much like when we put our trailer out, we said like, it was like the equalizer,
like built for you kind of version because this was all the stuff that people
wanted. And we just said, okay, let's just do it. Like, why not?
Like why guess what people want when people are telling us what they want?
I love that. The last part is very crucial. Actually.
I'm glad you said that because from a founder perspective,
that's what you're supposed to do, right? Take that,
take that feedback and and apply
it to your to your current dap so it sounds really cool i i'm gonna check out the concentrated
liquidity stuff uh possibly make a video kind of just showcase my experience on that so i'm excited
to try that out uh before we move forward i just want to thank everyone here uh you know kicking
off our 2026 spaces here uh if you're if you're liking this conversation please give some 100 emojis for
blake and jeff here from equalizer uh long time builders here on sonic um before we kind of end
you know i have a couple more questions for you guys um and it's mostly just kind of uh seeing
into the future right so obviously you guys just did a big sweep jeff you explained that to us uh
and this these really cool updates for people to experience.
But I know there's probably a roadmap down the line.
So what can you expect for other updates maybe that are around the corner?
And then obviously, what does success look like for you guys in 2026?
So I think, firstly, before we move move on i just want to like you know give jeff some
appreciation because i think you know he wrote it off a large list there and it's not even the
the complete list which sort of goes into a lot of what we've been working on anyway as you're
asking the question um you know the vote optimizer was another thing he missed there that that he
that he'd added which is sort of in in its own class as well um but really the best
thing about jeff and the team is that they've really pushed hard to to work in and and adapt
to what people want within the dap and nothing's been too hard to sort of add in um and i think
that's one of the things that like like it was a long list that he rattled off there of things that
were added so uh well done
to jeff and i think it's it's showing within the product that it gives you that really nice place
to operate um on sonic so from our from our perspective i think jeff also nailed it there
that that we're also really just sort of listening and updating as we go like you know to add in the
manual concentrated liquidity was it was a big was a big part that people have been requesting. We're hoping to get more adoption and users to Sonic
so that we can get that showcased and the liquidity flowing
and that product in use.
Obviously, that comes down to people supplying liquidity, right?
Like we can have the best product in the world,
but if we don't have the users, then we're going to, you know,
it's going to be interesting.
So what I suppose from out
from our building perspective and what around a roadmap i think it's not only technical for us
right i think at the end of the day um we're in crypto right and yeah we'll continue to develop
and and um and improve as we have for the last three years. That's always a stable part.
And we're really a community-based project
that listens to the community
and goes with sort of what they think
is good for us to continue to adapt.
But the biggest thing,
I would say from a roadmap perspective,
is working in with people like yourself,
Sonic Labs, and bringing people to the network.
Because as I said just two seconds earlier,
if we have the best product in the world,
but we don't have the users,
then we don't really have the engine working of our system,
which fuels the other side of it,
which is that I mentioned even earlier in the conversation,
which is the VE equal voters. And so i think if we look at the roadmap it's not only technical for us i
think it's about you know marketing you've probably seen this big marketing kickoff um you know hats
off to gelato there i'm a big fan of the pepe and all that sort of stuff so so when he when he's
throwing all these kind of great images together and pushing it out, I love it.
But I think just like, and we've even adapted this with the community, we're even moving more and more
into that community-focused and driven app
that we've been for a long time.
But we really like our equalists,
and they're people that have a certain amount of equal.
They have to have over 5,000 VE equal to join.
And at the moment, it's really low cost,
which we'll probably put that up.
But those people there are what inspire us
and basically work really heavily with that community.
So we're looking around discords on Sonic and they're quiet,
but our equalist chat is just, you know, it's nonstop, right?
It's always got people in there sharing ideas. It's about, oh, I shouldn't even put a number on it because just you know it's non-stop right it's always got people in there sharing
ideas is about oh i shouldn't even put a number on it because i should know it but it's probably
about 50 or 70 people that are in there always sharing ideas and we're guided by by what um
by what they have to say and they're our core sort of community so i think from a roadmap perspective
we're evolving more into that community base like even some of the ideas where we're throwing things on Twitter,
they come from our community, right? So we're just trying to really evolve into that space where
Equalizer continues to work on that journey as becoming more and more community focused and
more and more community led. But I think if we look at
what does success look like in 2026, and I think it's that vibrant nature of the network again,
and I don't think it's just equaliser itself. I think that the reset is probably being,
well, let's call it a reset, is probably very advantageous for us and also the network.
Even when I was speaking to Mitch,
I said that I think that we don't need
as many products as we have
because we don't have enough users, right?
We need users, not products.
And that's a core belief of mine
is that we probably went too heavy on the DAP side
and the product side,
and we had a lot of incentive and stimulation at the time,
but it divided attention.
And what it does is it means that
it's harder for the few that are operating to flourish right and and if i go back to like the
successes of 2024 and earlier and stuff like that and even our launch in 2022 we really had that
vibrant community behind that we had all those tokens that were sort of playing around um in the the meme space
bribing getting involved and and one of the things that the biggest thing with equalizer is that when
you bribe your token the voter gets to decide what to do with it they're not instantly sold for any
other token or anything like that so i think that once we get back into 2026 with a bit more
vibrancy we've got that opportunity for people
to come in and and i always call it marketing right especially when when it's up to the user
to do what they want with the tokens so if you come in and you go all right um i've got a project
now on sonic or i've started a meme coin or whatever definitely reach out to us because
this is where we built a lot of the success of 2024 and the vibrance where we had everyone participating,
right? You had the goggles, THC. I shouldn't start naming because I'm going to lose off some
of the great participants that were in that part. And I don't want anyone to feel left out because
everyone was a part of that, right? I've got to say Hedgie only because I love Hedgie and they're
constantly bribing and going and they're there at that point too.
But when we get that vibrant community and everyone starts marketing their token by bribing, that's one of the things that fuels Sonic.
So I know we've had a lot of conversations with the Sonic team and that over the years.
over the years but i think that that's the space where success to us looks like everyone
participating again within the the equalizer v33 model getting excited but that brings that
community and that buzz and that excitement all right like um one thing we we touched on earlier
was defy and um the involvement of it but but sometimes you've got to remember this space is also about
maybe getting a 10X, right? We all know that we can easily lose that initial investment, but
there's so many people that are excited to put $100 down and hopefully turn it into $1,000.
And I think that we need to get that excitement back on the network because without that,
We need to get that excitement back on the network because without that, you don't quite have that feeling of opportunity that, hey, I could turn $100 into $1,000.
And that is, in a lot of cases, one of the biggest allures to crypto, right?
That you put in a high-risk opportunity and you might come out with a much, much better outcome.
and you might come out with a much, much better outcome.
Or you may not.
But at the end of the day,
I think that we need to get that vibrancy back to Sonic.
And that is what 2026 success looks like for us,
is that communities coming together,
us stimulating communities, working together,
utilising that branding and that partnership type thing
that we have in the past with Equalizer.
But I know Gorggery's on and i
and i got him to join on the equalizer account so i won't leave him without saying anything and
jeff probably has a few words as well so so i'll wrap my part up there but but definitely those
are on the lines of what we're seeing for success in 2026. awesome yeah go ahead jeff gorgory how
are you doing yeah hey lou, nice to see you again.
Likewise, brother.
Yeah, doing good representing the Equalizer account here.
Yeah, not much to add on what 2026 will look for us.
I do agree with Hoops.
We put together a quite complete suite of products and features.
I know we'll always have the community excited about new stuff.
And we know if Jeff gets excited, he'll deliver updates on the app.
But at the core level, or let's say at the contract level,
we've added this manual concentrated liquidity solution
to our already existing automated concentrated liquidity solutions that we had.
So that's a pretty complete suite on the contract side.
And yeah, 2026 will be at least this first part about keep growing the community,
keep spreading the word about crypto, DeFi, and Sonic.
And yeah, and Sonic's success will be Equalizer's success.
So we're really excited to work together there.
I just had one more thing to add regarding what differentiates us
maybe from other DEXs.
And I think it's what Jeff said too.
We've always been very retail-focused.
I think back in the days, we were probably...
And I would need to check this someday.
But I do remember we were really, really early and probably the first to add an aggregator to our swap engine,
which was kind of counterintuitive at the time for many DAXs.
Like you want people trading with your liquidity.
But from our perspective at the time, it's like we need to give users the best swap rates that they can get, right?
So we don't mind if they don't use all our liquidity, and they're also rooting through other DEXs.
And then absolutely all DEXs do that now.
Whoever is not doing that, it's like just ripping off their users.
And then we've gone to add a meta aggregator, going through three different aggregators.
aggregator going through three different aggregators.
So that's a very good example of the focus that we've always had on final users and
building super complex DeFi products, but keeping users first in our minds.
So yeah, very excited for this new year.
I love it.
Thank you, Gorgring.
Jeff, you want to put the cherry on top?
Anything you want to uh put the cherry on top anything you want to add
yeah i mean as i say like so obviously we did just basically clear out like all of our like our roadmap like it's a little past the 2025 deadline i wanted it to be on but it's it's fine
that it's good that we just were able to ship literally like so much stuff like uh yesterday
um so i think what what it is when we look towards
2026 is that usually it just comes from either like the community or from inspirational or our
main um contract there for 543 obviously he's never gonna join one of these because we've never
we may never get this guy on a call but he is a genius and he did come up with like our bpg program
uh as well which was like
another like brand new innovation that was working really well uh unfortunately that was hit by the
the whole rings um situation but other than that it's like we we have these kind of brainstorms
where we think you know what can we what can we add and what can we improve in the system and
obviously there is so much that you can improve but only to a point when it comes to like, you know, trading, swapping and getting fees.
I think we're now at a point where we are a very complete DEX and like the latest updates that we have shipped actually just go above and beyond in a lot of usability ways to other DEXs on the market.
to other decks on the market.
So I think when we think about what we want to do in 2026,
it's like, do we want to focus on what we have now,
where we have a good platform that we can obviously
make faster and improve and whatever?
Or it's like, do you want to go into other territory,
like pubs, but then if you start adding these other things
onto your decks, it's like, when does it become a bit
of like a Frankenstein that loses its original focus? So I think anything that we will be adding in 2026, when we decide the path
for equalizer is definitely just going to be, what can we do to optimize and return the most value to
the V equal holders? Because that is the core of the decks. It's not really just a deck, it's a
real yield platform. And whatever we can do and
can build that will you know bring the value back to the in-house to the equal holders i think is
just the way that we're going to tackle it though i don't have anything specific that i can share
currently i love it and it's clear that you guys have uh very intentional plans and uh i appreciate
you guys kind of sharing it with us and the excitement obviously it's super
exciting to ship new stuff offer new features uh offer like a fresh revamp of a of a product that
you guys have been building for years so i really commend you guys hard work and uh that being said
blake gorgry jeff thank you so much for spending time with me today and uh you know kicking off
this uh initiative again you know just chatting with the builders who keep the ecosystem vibrant and obviously you know 2026 feels like it's going
to be a great year not only for you guys uh for crypto in general but uh you know we're in this
together and uh i appreciate you guys spending the time today thanks lewis and uh we will just
finish with uh with thanking you also for not launching a chain on Christmas Day this year.
So 2026 has been, and I want to check if you're still listening here
because we're definitely going to get a few emojis on that one.
But this year has been a much, much, much sort of simpler Christmas period.
We've all had some good time to relax and unwind.
So it's been great, guys.
But thanks for having us on.
It's been excellent.
Absolutely. We look forward to a vibrant
2026. Yeah, it's always great
to catch up with you guys. And yeah,
good memories last year
on launch.
But yeah, thank you guys. We'll catch up soon
throughout the year, Blake and team.
That way we can keep a pulse
on your guys' updates and whatnot so yeah 100 sounds good thanks all righty guys everyone thank you so much so uh
whoever joined us today i really appreciate it always means a lot to to us and the team
for you guys to tune in so uh we'll keep them coming and we'll keep you guys posted
see you guys on the other side
thanks thank you bye guys posted. See you guys on the other side. Thanks.
