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errgentlemen Wesley Dogman Thomas
Recorded: Aug. 12, 2025 Duration: 0:53:00Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, participants explore the transformative potential of live podcasting in the crypto community, emphasizing trends in communication, growth opportunities, and the importance of authentic engagement. They also touch on strategies for collaboration and monetization, highlighting the evolving landscape of crypto content creation.
Full Transcription
Thank you. and we're live welcome to wesley dogman thomas the space name of course welcome shabazz uh so
yeah i'll let you fiddle about with the controls uh can you unmute yourself i guess is the first
test it's in the bottom left hand oh hello
good to see you how you doing very good yeah uh i guess i'm just thinking about the speaker button are you able is it easier if you just leave it uh like unmuted do you want me to mute myself
like unmuted
do you want me to mute myself
yeah you're loud and clear
sounds good
do you want me to mute myself
actually no not if it's
easier for you not to
then don't worry if it's easy
for you to mute yourself on and off do do
but it's not really that important
sometimes there'll be an echo but it's not
a problem if only one person does it
okay sometimes there'll be an echo but it's not a problem if only one person does it
okay yes here we are I wasn't sure here we are I would think we we should call
it gentlemen gentlemen like gentleman how's that
that's the original spelling
gentleman
Wesley Dogman Thomas
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how's it going man i'm still not quite ready i'm late but never mind it's all right i just
like to dive in and just start doing it absolutely because once we what i've learned throughout my
life and uh you probably learned throughout your life. If you wait
until you're ready to do something, you'll never do it.
Yeah, I've just tweeted it out as well.
We'll see who wanders in
and who knows
who's the money on for the first
person to wander in we'll see andrew speaker
anyway what's up shabazz what how was i should say how is your day it's what only halfway through it so yeah hulk hogan could wonder in what was that hulk hogan could wonder in well not anymore he
can't unless we're in the afterlife this could be the afterlife that's an
interesting idea yeah if it's all some form of like simulation or whatever you
call it then the afterlife and the current life it all be part of like simulation or whatever you call it then the afterlife
and the current life it'd all be part of
one it'd be all rolled into one so it's possible
yeah have you made this available to everyone yeah
i've just tweeted out to the uh on my post i didn't use a hashtag or anything
but uh i don't even know who the target audience is.
So I'm not really sure.
If you like Wesley Dogman Thomas, this is a space for you.
And also, we could also do spaces raids.
We could at some point jump in someone else's space and try and get on their
stage and, well, you could say cause havoc.
Another thing would be to, uh, just talk to them, I guess, but
I just wanted to open the space and to just see what happens.
You know, i don't
i don't really have a format or anything like that i just like to have the space to shoot the shape with you really and yeah for sure it's the best place
Why not shoot the shit and broadcast it to the world, you know?
wow wow why
Absolutely.
It's the start of something beautiful, I'm sure.
Why just do a phone call between two people?
between two people yeah absolutely why not like do one to the entire world yeah well this is the
Yeah, absolutely.
new podcast isn't it it's the live recorded podcast no we don't have to fiddle about with
editing here or anything you know that's what that's what i found tricky you know when because you have to edit it
and then then you have to start making decisions about it and like it becomes a whole different
thing then yeah i couldn't i couldn't really agree more pod i guess editing a podcast is one of the worst what's the word it's
like the most dull part of the whole thing is editing a podcast yeah I try
to make yourself sound good yeah it's all in the mind isn't it yes I thought that before when I started doing
the random dreams podcast I'd spend hours getting rid of every and the thing
is you know even like other people don't notice it they don't really yeah but
other people don't know is it but other people know is big things that you don't know this You know
I'm thinking what could those things be now? I guess you wouldn't know if you didn't notice it
No, because one thing is like
People know these things that you're not even aware of
That you're doing That I'm doing, you know, I
Always used to say that
my voice sounds i've said it to you before my voice sounds like a mum being strangled down a dark alleyway say that again your voice sounds like being strangled down a dark alleyway did you say to me my voice sounds like a guy being strangled down a dark alleyway
no i never thought that no but i know but to me to me it does you know but yeah once you start
doing uh public uh stuff you you kind of put that to one side because what's important to me is just getting my voice out there, you know?
Yeah, absolutely.
You've got a good voice.
You never struck me as someone who didn't.
You've got a distinctive voice.
Like, people will know who you are quite quickly if they hear your voice, I think.
And that's a good thing.
Familiarity. And you've got a if they hear your voice I think and that's a good thing familiarity and you've got a really clarity
about your voice
sorry I missed that say that again
it's quite ironic that
I said you've got a real clarity
about your voice
wow that's thanks for the compliment
I suppose when we're doing a vocal thing we should Wow, thanks for the compliment.
I suppose when we're doing a vocal thing,
we should critique each other's voices, I suppose.
That's all we got to go on.
So how's Thailand today?
Oh, really nice day. It must have been 37 degrees.
I went for a walk in the midday sun, which is kind of my...
As soon as it's really sunny, I just get out there now.
I didn't really, for the first 15 years I lived here, I didn't go in the sun much, believe it or not.
I really avoided it. So now I see the full sunshine. I'm out there.
And today I was out there for like an hour and a half, right in the midday sun, like a mad dog or an Englishman.
And so, yeah.
I bet you there's nobody else out.
Everybody else is probably
looking at you going, what the hell is he doing?
Yeah, no, they avoid the sun.
They will not go out in the midday sun here.
They're scared of
the sun, actually.
In one sense. Not the health
effects, but they're scared of getting like a dark skin, basically,
because it's equated to working outside.
And if you work outside, you're working class.
And if you've got pale skin, you're working in an office building.
So they avoid the sun to avoid the dark skin,
to avoid looking like they're working class is basically how it works.
See, this is why opening up this space is interesting,
because I wouldn't have known that, you know, until we had a conversation.
But that's an interesting thing, that there's a class-based thing,
even to complexion, you know?
But it shows you how deep fluid these things are
yeah and how it's linked to something physical because the sun is a well it's waves i guess i i don't know some people say waves are not physical but it's some sort of thing in the
physical world that like causes it so people are sort of physically staying out of the sun to avoid
a perception of something the sun causes which is a bit weird especially if the sun's healthy for you
yeah so are you still playing the guitar absolutely am absolutely am yeah i was gonna practice today but actually i i didn't i got
my guitar out set it up and i didn't occasionally i'll do that uh actually i was gonna practice
when i went for a walk instead but yeah i'm looking to start playing live in thailand in
about two or three months so my uh what 23 it'll be a 19-year journey to start playing live.
But I thought you did that before, right?
Or have you never played live before?
I did three shows anonymously in Japan in 2018 to practice,
let's say, my vision, if you want to call it that.
But I'd only been practicing for about five or six months before
then properly. So I knew I wouldn't be ready then. But when I performed in Japan, it went
pretty well. Overall, it was good. And then I decided to put it off till 2020. And then 2021,
because of the COVID, and then 2021 became a continual, like cascading set of the world keeps changing more and more
and basically i've put it off for almost five years because of the whole covid scam and all
the rest of it so finally i'm ready to start so in the next few months i'll do it
in thailand though gonna go back to japan yeah no in thailand i mean i'll hopefully play in
japan as well in the future but thailand will has always really been my focused uh
target audience i guess since i stayed in japan a bit could never live there
has it been 19 years now pretty much it was when I moved into the house with Scott and Marcus.
So the year after Cambridge Halls, I guess, let me think.
Was it that year?
It was, wasn't it?
So I moved to Manchester in 2002.
So it would have been 2003 to 2004.
That's when I got my guitar, first guitar off Scott.
I swapped him 10 grams of mushrooms for it,
and it couldn't make any sound.
So then I had to buy another guitar from Kev Fox's shop in Manchester,
and I've still got that here in my room, I think.
That was my first guitar that I first trained with when I was 23 years old.
Now I'm 43.
Yeah, he's in Poland somewhere now. 23 years old. Now I'm 43. Yeah.
He's in Poland somewhere now.
That's right. He's still there.
I know he was playing music there.
Yeah. I just had
an idea, you know.
You know, for your 20th anniversary,
you should do a live gig.
Great idea.
And you should do it
online as well
well let me write that down then
so live gig
20 years
I'll have to check when the exact
sort of
I think it was 2003 to 2000
so it's maybe over
it may be 20
oh in that case we can
build up to next year then.
Yeah, I'll have to check the date.
Can you remember when I was in Braemar Road?
No, I can't remember the exact year,
but we started uni in 2000,
I mean, in 2002, wasn't it?
I think so.
So it would have been like 2003, 2004,
because we finished using 2005.
Yeah, that sounds right.
Because I've been living in my house now for 20 years.
Interesting.
That's interesting.
So it's basically 20-year anniversaries for those things.
Yeah, it was the first time I just had, that's what, when I contacted you a couple of weeks
ago, it was my first, the first of August, 2005.
Christ.
But I always say I'm glad I got my my accommodation my my own place after i
finished uni because if i had it during uni i would have i would have been dead by now
really do you think what would the alternative reality have looked like
i don't think i would have had one you know you know? And I wouldn't have been able to
stay in your
room and piss all over your bed.
That was before you got your house.
try going to on-sweets
and room.
Yeah, he was well set up.
He had it right.
Do you know
that en suite's room was
in an alternative reality
that would have been my room
I would have been living with you
and I would have pulled that girl
that en suite got that night in Jillian
banging on the door
how does that work?
How did the devout no sex before marriage guy get the hot girl banging on his door when
my door was open?
Yeah, see, we've always got stuff to talk about.
Don't ever worry about stuff not to talk about.
Yeah, I don't think we'll be short of conversation, that's for sure.
Did you ever find the dreadlock?
No, it must be in England, and I can't access it.
It's in my cupboard back home, but I must have it.
I don't think I would have thrown it away.
It's possible I did, but I think it's in a folder folder i've got which would be a bit weird if someone finds it
but i just remember that we we found it on the train coming back no actually it was on the
the reason i picked it up is it was on the floor of the million,
whatever it was, like the million-person march in London.
It was on the floor, so people were sort of trampling over it.
And I thought it was like a weird symbol of peace was on the floor and people protesting a war sort of trampling all over it.
That's why I initially picked it up.
Oh, yeah. I remember you putting it all over it. That's why I initially picked it up. Oh, yeah.
I remember you putting it all over me on the train.
That's what it was.
I probably got it out on the train.
The dreadlock, that is.
You just kept whipping it out.
How about the dreadlock?
He's like, go on, touch it.
I'm like, no.
I don't want to I want to touch
a dreadlock
sell that one day
keep building
the story up
about it
and then
yeah
we should
use these
spaces to
build some
mythologies
oh yeah
that's a great idea.
Great idea for that, yeah.
I'm full of ideas, bro.
Absolutely.
And it's, yeah, we could also invite,
I don't know, if there's any special guests we want,
we could invite them at some point.
I know a few people who are pretty interesting
who have done spaces before,
but I didn't have a reason to invite them back,
so I could do that.
Like, well,
do you know Ruth's a comedian now?
I knew that.
That was ages ago. I think that was when I moved
to Thailand.
She's still doing comedy
in Blackpool, of all places.
Is she? Where does she perform?
Don't I? In live venues in Blackpool of all places. Where does she perform? Don't I?
In live venues
in Blackpool
and places like that.
She's doing quite well apparently.
I'm just thinking of
the experiment
because
they were both in that, weren't they?
Absolutely they were.
Yeah.
That would be a kind of good link to...
That'd be a good show to do one of these weeks.
Brilliant idea.
Oh, I'd love to do that.
Now, the first question is, didn't they fall out?
I'm not sure if they're friends, but at the same time,
if they're willing to do it, I'd do it.
But I was thinking, like, probably as recently as seven or eight months ago,
that I think I've got it in me to pick the experiment up
and basically finish it and carry it on.
But it would require those two probably doing
it i don't think it has to be done in person but i think it'd be interesting to revisit what
happened to them 20 over the 20 years since then given what's happened in the world so
i'm totally opening to open to doing something like that but it depends on them a bit at least
sorry say again.
Have you still got the experiment?
Yeah, I've got it on my PC here.
Yeah.
How long is it?
I can't remember how long it was.
I can't quite remember.
I think it's about 11 minutes or so.
Because it was finished, wasn't it?
It wasn't 11 days. It was the end of finishing it? It wasn't when I ended up finishing it.
It did get finished.
It's like my new ears crashed.
I'm not sure what's wrong with it.
It keeps locking up.
I don't really know why.
You know what I'm thinking?
If there was a way for you to tell
me that what i might do for next week is i might watch it in between and then talk to you about it
next week i love it yeah that's a great idea you know because it gives us an interesting topic
to talk about
Slightly worried about my PC here. It's in the last few days. It's just started crashing I don't know if it's hardware or
Software but yeah, it's just locked up again. So I'm not sure how long it is, but I'll send you it
I guess I'll write it down and send it to you have you watched any recently enough yeah I was surprised
when I watched it about the medical experiment being done through the media from Porton Down in Somerset to Uncle...
If you wanted something prophetic,
then that's probably it.
I couldn't even get Scott and Ruth to finish it.
Imagine if I'd finished it.
Fucking hell.
I guess maybe it's for the best that it was sort of
half finished, it was the experiment part one
and then it was meant to be more than
that but yeah I guess
it lives on as a time capsule
so would you be up
for doing part two?
absolutely I would yeah
I think it's
and you wouldn't recast it?
no I would it'd make I think it's... And you wouldn't recast it? No, I would...
It'd make complete common sense for Scott and Ruth
to reprise their roles and tie it into something
that somehow reflects what's happened.
But if they didn't want to, for example,
they'd just... whatever.
It could probably do it if only one of them wanted to,
because you could always...
There's always a way around it, but at least one of them would have to you could always there's always a way around it but at least
one of them would have to i'd preferably both would but i mean if i could i would possibly
come to england to do that if i could it's with all the new media you tie in spaces you could tie
in different things to make it sort of like a live environment in a sense there's a way to do it but it it will require some willingness by them to do it
well we should have goals for this space and one of the goals should be to try
and get that done yeah yeah it sounds like a good idea. However many years
it would take.
But, you know, these are long-term
goals, you know.
Yeah, for sure.
We should aim to get them in.
First step is to get
them in the room.
One of our steps should be to get
Wesley in the room.
Yeah, there is a little bit of wesley news i'm not sure is there i i yeah i've been in contact with him to see if he would make his debut
and uh he was woken up just what was it 36 minutes ago he was woken up so i'm not sure he's gonna come today but he said he wouldn't well actually he didn't say
he would another time but he said he hates y'all musk he hates x he hates all of it
i hope you continue doing this
because I think it was fucking fabulous
yeah oh we're going to keep doing it
that's for sure
this is just too easy
absolutely
this is the revolution
is in live conversations
I just
just get Wesley
from his bed and go...
Yeah, you could.
He could just roll over
in his bed
and basically
broadcast his mind.
That's the future
of media there.
And is this...
Will we be able
to get...
Share this?
Yeah, it's this...
If you look on the screen screen you see where it says wreck
the red button that's the recording and there's an unrecorded option too but i turned recording on so
you can share it with the share button but it also exists as a link so the link that i sent
you before the space started that's the permalink you can use that again and again and once the
space is over it'll switch back to being playback only and it'll play back from the start.
All right.
but every week we just use that link then.
actually,
each week will be a different link.
So if you want to archive all the spaces,
you'd have to sort of save the links next to each other and probably name them,
I guess.
Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah i get you
but that link that you sent me today that's where the recording would be for this that's correct yeah and you can just share that with other people yeah i can just put that on my twitter
about my twitter they can't absolutely yeah and i don't know if you can do this on your PC, but you can also
clip clips from it as well.
So you could record your screen. I don't know
if you've got a Mac still, but you could
edit, you know, cut
30-second clips of screen record
with it as well, but
probably wouldn't
be necessary, but it's a possibility.
Oh yeah, you know what I've
been watching
on Netflix
that I
thought you'd
really like
there's this
wrestling
you know
like
I don't
know whether
you're into
still or not
they've
started doing
something really
interesting on
Netflix
with
wrestling and they're doing this thing called Netflix with wrestling
and they're doing this thing called
Unreal
I wrote it
it was my idea
that's literally my idea
I wrote that and I told Gabe Sapolsky
that two years ago
and he's the one who did it
I'm not lying
WWE Unreal is my idea honestly I'm not lying. WWE Unreal is my idea.
Honestly, I'm not pulling your leg.
I'm being serious.
It's not a simulation, but I'm actually telling the truth.
See, the more you say that, the more I'm starting to wonder now.
Yeah, no, I'm genuinely serious.
I'm not 100% sure, but i'd say i'm 95 sure uh it's my but
finish what you were saying first because people listening back may not know what it is and then
i'll tell you why i'm fairly sure it's my idea but what is wwe unreal it's a netflix you know
netflix have got wwe at the moment and they've done a documentary series that I've been watching.
It's called WWE Unreal, and it's like six episodes, I think.
And it's like, because I know you've been a big wrestling fan,
but I've just dipped in and out a bit throughout my life. And at the moment I'm dipping back into it because I think it explains a lot
about the modern world. I'm late to the party, you know, but I think it explains a lot of
the modern world and politics and everything. not just because of trump just because of the way
people behave in the media so yeah i just watched the john cner episode
the other day and i thought it was really good and i also learned a lot about wrestling because
i to my shame didn't know about the gorilla position that's the most
interesting thing i found out about it that's right named after gorilla monsoon
yeah so the story of wwe unreal is oh my god i don't know how much i want to blow your brain now
okay so logan paul and prime in wwe is because of a proposal that i wrote to the wrestling industry in 2019 under the Timing and Talent Squared banner with Jamie.
And we pitched it that WWE should switch to an influencer marketing format with Logan Paul as
the star was the pitch. So this was six years ago. This was before he was famous in the way he is now. And when 2022 came around, they signed him finally.
And I was emailing Dave Meltzer for probably two and a half years about it. And I'll say
forward the emails if you want to see them. But then I created a phone call with Gabe Sapolsky.
I don't know if you know who that is,
but he was one of the key people in ECW with Paul Heyman.
So Gabe Sapolsky is Triple H's right-hand man,
but Vince McMahon didn't like Gabe Sapolsky. So Gabe Sapolsky got fired in 2021, I think it was.
And then he started doing $99 one-hour calls for...
What was that?
He's doing...
I wasn't sure if you were laughing or coughing on that one, but...
So he started doing $99 one-hour calls through Zoom
because he basically is unemployed.
So that was when i started working
with supergirl i'm i don't know if you know about that but she's a muay thai fighter in thailand
that i'm a promoter of so i booked a call with gabe sapolsky to see if he thought supergirl was
a star but actually that wasn't my goal my goal was to talk to him whilst he was unemployed because
i knew he was a key person in wrestling.
So I've got the Zoom call saved on my computer. I could share it with you of us talking.
And in the call, and I've got him talking, saying this, I told him that the future of wrestling needs to be,
you need to blur the area between backstage and in front of the camera, that the money in the future is going to be
you've got to take fans backstage because wrestling is now fake in people's mind it's a fake thing
and the only way you're going to be able to undo it is to basically take them backstage where it
is actually real because there's real politics backstage but you have to take them backstage in
a way that doesn't fully expose it as real like everything so you shouldn't see everything it
needs to and that was my pitch to him so he actually said to me so you're saying it should
go backstage and all the rest of it and i said absolutely it should and in the future i should
think that fans will pay for access as well like Like, imagine if you could join a live space like this one,
but it's backstage in WWE during a live event.
I think fans would pay more for that than they would to watch the actual show.
And that was my pitch to him.
We talked two times.
I gave him this idea.
And then when WWE Unreal launched, what was it,
about four weeks ago or something?
I was like, oh my God, I think they've used the idea
because I should think Gabe Sapolsky told Triple H it.
And so, yeah, I actually, WWE Unreal is literally my idea.
I'm not joking.
That's just, to be clear, I'm not 100% sure,
but I would say I'm 95% sure. I to speak to gabe again to check it out uh if he says it's true then it then it is he's not going to lie if
it's not i think it's more likely he'll deny it but i don't think he will because he's he's an
honest guy i don't think he'll cheat me.
So, yeah.
I suppose I could invite him on a space.
That's possible.
He has been on spaces.
I've been on spaces he hosted before.
That's actually how I first spoke to him.
And then I had a private call after.
Why don't we just gateclench him on one of them?
Oh, he doesn't do that anymore he was doing them
when he was unemployed he was doing
spaces to sort of
sort of help the independent
wrestlers get their name
out there so he was doing spaces then but when he
signed back with WWF in
2023 he
stopped doing them so yeah he's not in them
anymore but maybe he could be tempted to
come back and do another but um yeah but i believe you what you say but i just think
if that was the case you should be compensated in some way well it doesn't... Yeah, you're right.
I'm treading a fine line, though,
because of what's going on with the last four years and stuff.
So there's a right and wrong way to ask for it,
and there's also a timing to ask for it.
And there's also a reality that if you're not being paid for something like first you often don't get credit for it so it's like you almost you almost have to be paid first before to get
the credit for something like that so it's not that easy to afterwards say,
oh, by the way, could I get paid for that idea?
Because they've already used it.
There's no legal reason for them to say that it was my idea for that reason.
So you have to sort of pitch it in a sense in the right.
There's basically a timing for it.
So I'd have to speak to Gabe first,
see what he says.
But if I go in with the idea,
I should be paid for this.
I mean,
that's the fastest way for them to deny it was my idea.
Isn't it?
I think that'd be my thinking.
Well,
not necessarily money,
but I think you deserve some kind of acknowledgement or something.
Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you. I will agree with that. Yeah. I don't think it'd be too much. money but I think you deserve some kind of acknowledgement okay yeah yeah well
thank you I will agree with that yeah I don't think it'd be too much but then
do you just go I don't I'm not trying to get money out of you I just want you to
acknowledge that I was a part this yeah great Yeah, great idea. I should do that. I've got a list of...
I need to write another list because that's getting out, but I should...
I do have his email still, so...
Because the basic truth is, if you're saying everything you've got,
you've got receipts for all of that because every email has timestamps, right?
Yeah. You've got receipts for all of that because every email has timestamps, right?
Yeah.
And every online interaction has a trail somewhere or other.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, for sure.
And in the case of the backstage idea is I've actually got the video call where he's talking about it.
So I need to go back and double check it's it's almost two and a half years ago but I'm fairly sure I've actually got the video the conversation where I actually told him it's saved I'm pretty sure I do but I'm
not yeah I get what you mean but I'm not coming at it from a angle of you should
now retroactively you know stay to them look you owe me money
all I'm saying is
they should acknowledge
that
all the people
had a part
to play in it
yeah
should
is different
to will
you're talking about
a major
like who even owns
WWF at this point
it's TKO group which is owned by Ari Emanuel.
Ari Emanuel was, is the handler of Elon Musk.
So you're talking about very senior people of the elite.
So we're actually on Elon Musk's platform here.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So in a way,
this is going
straight to him, so
if you're listening,
all we're asking
for is a bit of
recognition for my
buddy over there,
my brother from
Derry.
And I know you're my brother from Daryl. Thank you. And
I know you're
I'm talking to you
I know you're rich and beyond
belief and all that.
And I know you think people just want
money out of you but
as far as I know
and I think I can speak for Gary
it's not about the money sometimes, it's about acknowledgement and realizing what actually happened. deserves some acknowledgement that he played a part in the development
of the now Netflix show Reel.
It would really help my music for sure because it'd just be free promotion,
so it'd be very good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you're not actually – because you're not asking them for a favor,
you're just asking them to acknowledge what actually happened.
Yeah.
You're not asking.
Yeah.
Go on.
No, I'll email Gabe.
I think that's the best way.
See what he says.
He's got consultations coming up.
They're meant to be $99.
I'm not loaded at the
moment that's for sure i've got quite a lot of ethereum names but uh i'm low on cash so i think
he's 99 for an hour but i'm not sure i can probably email him his email is rmaslin at gmail.com
as i remember off the top of my head, that's his wife's name.
I probably shouldn't say this in a live space.
It isn't what I just said.
If anyone's listening back,
it's Q Cuthbert at hotmail.com.
But you could get a,
a whole cheaper than that.
A what?
Sorry.
You could get a whole cheaper than that.
$99. You could get a whore cheaper than that 99 you could get a what sorry a whore cheaper than that i wouldn't know about that i'm not sure what prices are never never happened
no but i'm just saying you're saying that he's doing these places for like
you know these meetings for $99.
I'm like, that's pretty expensive.
He's actually working for them at the moment.
He's actually, now he's employed for WWE,
So he's worked. He's one of the heads of the WWE ID program
so he's one of the heads of the WWE ID program.
I don't know if you've ever if you've watched any of that show, but it's a bit
It's good, but Triple H does some weird stuff
What like
For instance, I've watched that from four episodes now, and every time you just see them hooking people
and whispering stuff into their ear,
that doesn't even make, like,
it doesn't even feel anything that profound.
I see.
It sounds like they're trying to blur the grey area.
It sounds like it's basically a work.
And I haven't watched it yet, believe it or not. I mean, that says like it's basically a work is,
and I haven't watched it yet, believe it or not.
I mean, that says something about how busy I've been,
but I will check it out.
But I think it's meant to, I think it's meant to be like,
I don't know, 30% real, 70% scripted, but to look real.
I think that that is, that's basically my original pitch, is to blur the gray area, so it isn't just backstage.
But the amount that is not quite real is I'm not sure, because I've not seen it, but that sounds about right.
If it seems a bit strange or contrived, it's probably because some of it is scripted bits hidden amongst the real bits.
I think we should make a deal here, right?
For next week, I'll watch your film
and you watched the first episode of Unreal.
Yeah, let's do it.
I'll download it.
And then we'll talk about both of them on next week's show great idea so send experiment
and watch the first episode because i've seen about three or four or five of them but i'm just
getting you to watch one one of the episodes just to get an idea of what you
what you think and how far away from your idea or how close to your idea that actually is
yeah so 10 minutes and 44 is the original length i just well i'll watch you a few times
I'll watch you a few times.
They're like,
study it and see,
because I want to ask you some searching questions about it.
Yeah,
can't wait.
So we've got a special next.
To test your memory,
if anything.
Yeah,
yeah,
for sure.
And to see,
and to see how it,
how it's evolved in your mind.
And if,
if you were to do it now knowing what you
know now and all that kind of thing yeah I'm I'm kind of wondering how I even
came up with the idea because I'm not really I remember basically I was in I
moved into that house Braemar Road Road, and there was, I think,
one month where the house was empty or something like that.
It was something like that.
I think maybe I was there for maybe everyone else wasn't,
and I thought for this year I need to write a film.
I've got to do a film.
And what do I write it about, though?
And I didn't have any major, like I didn't set about to make that
film especially I just thought within the limitation of a house that a couple of actors live
what script do you write that could be filmed in the house during the year that could equate to a
film at the end of it that was the process so I don't actually have any idea why I had the inspiration for what it was,
apart from that. So it's, yeah, I'm not even really sure. I'm kind of surprised myself
that how it came out, I guess.
Do you have any urge to write any films again?
Oh, sorry, say again.
Do you have an urge to write any films again yeah I guess so
I'm not against it because that that's one of my ambitions in life is to like
not because I've written films before but before my life is out i want to actually make another feature film
that's a good idea because i'm doing lots of other stuff at the moment but
that is something i always want to come back to and i also want to write a novel
and I also wanted to write a novel.
Wow.
What sort of novel?
I don't know.
I just started reading my mate's novel.
My mate is an old screenwriter guy,
and he did a PhD, and part of his PhD
was that he got to write a novel and he's like in his late 50s now and he's done his PhD written this novel surrealist novel
and it's got it published
and I've started reading it
the other day, it's really good
it's a bit abstract
and it's called
Cinema Beneath the Lake
and it's
yeah it's pretty amazing
because I've never read any writing like that before.
You know, like poetry and it's kind of absurdist and stuff like that.
I'm just amazed that you got it published.
You have to get it published in Canada, like, but because the publishing industry is dying essentially
yeah yeah it's uh
yeah it is i don't know is it deliberately is it dying or are they deliberately trying to kill it
i feel that people want physical items more and more. Yeah, but I think is that a reaction to the modern world?
You know?
Could be.
I guess people aren't reading books that much,
but at the same time,
people like to read good books if there is one.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't think the publishing industry dying or becoming less means that a
book couldn't sell a lot.
So that's true.
Because I do a lot of Audible and I find Audible quite good for me.
do a lot of Audible and I find Audible quite good for me.
Oh yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And, yeah, so one of my ambitions is to write a film again and one of my ambitions is to
write a novel.
I don't know what that novel would be, but in the meantime, I just want to do stuff like
this and connect with people you know and
that's why I when we were thinking about this idea I thought let's just go ahead
and do it because it says everybody just talks about doing stuff instead of actually doing it yeah and you've got all the
tools like ai and stuff which has got its own negatives but it's a lot easier to write rough
drafts for scripts and come up with concepts and uh even if you don't use ai in the final product
and you want it all to be handwritten you can still get rid of a lot of the red tape with AI.
So that's a good thing.
And the weird thing is, I've said this to you before,
in the modern world, it's so much easier to communicate,
but I find people communicate less because it's so easy.
Well, I'm going to argue the opposite there and say that it wasn't
easy until spaces because it's not that easy to communicate with someone you went you don't know
that well from school or whatever through a written format because it's unnatural so until
spaces and clubhouse it wasn't that easy. But basically, it is now.
So, yeah, in six months from now, when we've had six months of people coming in Spaces and whatever, it will seem easy.
But it wasn't easy the last few years. Imagine trying to tell someone in 2021 that your government is evil and that you shouldn't comply with lockdowns or whatever.
and that you shouldn't comply with lockdowns or whatever.
It's not easy to communicate that through Facebook or a written format
because it's easy to dismiss the written form.
So, yeah, this technology has separated us
and it can bring us back together as well.
Yeah.
But we need to start thinking about ourselves, in my eyes, as a collective group of people, rather than individual products.
Because one of my big drivers now is the concept of society.
And I think people and governments have forgotten that
they would just want us all to think of ourselves as economic units and some could argue that has
always been the way but i feel like it's the internet is just accelerating that sort of stuff
yeah they're actively trying to destroy the social links between people
yeah but by by telling them they're using this thing called social media
yeah well it appeared to connect people but actually was designed to separate people
that's a different thing altogether like it's one thing if you are trying to link people together
and you accidentally separate them but it's a completely different thing if you try to
pretend to link people with the goal of separating them. That's altogether different. It's malicious.
Yeah, but do you think,
I know this is a big question towards the end of the show,
but do you think that that was always the plan, or do you think that they've fallen into that situation?
It depends who is being accused, because's i think the people in charge that's
been the plan and things like the 90s and the 60s are literally designed to make you think that
you're in an era of prosperity before like a bad era so the actual people at the top yes it is planned but people doing the like
the actual groundwork or police officers enforcing it I don't think they're
aware of it so yeah it's a bit of a dichotomy yeah I think we're coming up
towards the top of the hour now so do to, how do you want to end this?
Is there anything you want to say before we go?
No, Shabazz, I love you, I respect you, it's great that you're on a space,
I've been dying to chat with you again in live environments,
so it's, yeah, long may it continue,
and let's hope that the dogman himself will come in one week.
And I just hope we can build something
very special here and i just want to say thank you to you garrick and i let you know remind you
that we've got a lot of strands to be pulling at the next week so let's go ahead and do it
thanks everyone thanks shabazz the experiment should be with you right now,
so I look forward to get your feedback next week.
Yeah, I've got it, yeah.
Enjoy.
Oh, gentleman.
Oh, gentleman.
Oh, gentleman.
Goodbye.
