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errgentlemen Wesley Dogman Thomas 2
Recorded: Aug. 20, 2025 Duration: 0:58:58Space Recording
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. hello shabazz welcome yeah me all right loud and clear my friend how are you today
i'm okay thank you well that's good how's your week been it's been good
do you want me yeah i've been doing a few bits like yeah i went to the city united game
against arsenal and i watched a few films
a few films.
Nice.
So you've watched the football, Man United.
Oh, my God.
We probably shouldn't even talk about football because I think even football
is scripted now.
Honestly, Liverpool winning last year was – even their goals look staged to me.
So I don't want to be that guy.
But thinking back to the old days
when Man United played Arsenal
when we were at university,
I mean, what a time to go and see it live then.
That Giggs goal,
like you were there in the stadium
when Giggs,
it was against Arsenal in the semi-final,
wasn't it?
Like that was real football.
That wasn't scripted.
Couldn't, that was real.
So yeah, you were at that game. scripted couldn't that was real so yeah
yeah and on that day I shared
the dirty kebab with
Dwight York
I've got to ask about that then
what happened
or should it be its own episode
should we save that be its own episode?
Should we save that for its own episode?
I don't know.
I want to know that.
No, it's not worth even a second episode.
Because it was in Birmingham and he was a substitute that day.
We got there early and he was walking around the stadium. And I was it done it keep up no I asked him before the game right wow you knew it was going
to be a good day then if that wasn't even the highlight of the day my god and that was that was
in 1999 you know what i think it is its own show, actually. I think that is an hour special.
You know why? Because you could pitch the hour special as, like, I ate Dwight York's
kebab and then squeeze in the Ryan Giggs goal after it.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It was weird. The first year I started going, we wasn't cut off.
What was that? The first year I started going, we won the treble. What was that?
The first year you went?
To the United Games, we won the treble.
Was it that year?
Yeah, 1999.
2000, wow.
No, 1999, yeah.
Yeah, those two goals at the end with, was it Sheringham and Solskjaer?
Was it?
Yeah.
Yeah, in folklore now, in history.
How's your week been anyway?
And also the Liverpool comeback when they were 3-0 down against Milan.
Take your pick.
What was a better comeback?
But that was 2005.
So, I mean, yeah, great week.
I mean, I was going to open and say that there's been breaking news
in the last three hours.
I would say this week has been the busiest, most crazy week of my life, I would say.
And the last three hours, it's just reached the peak.
So it's a real argument.
It's the craziest peak time ever.
Okay, so the breaking news, I'll say about my week in a second,
but the breaking news is the first ever government official,
so that's an official government American person, right?
Someone who's official has gone on record live and said that there's four different races of aliens
that exist, and he's named them all. Now, I'm not saying that that's real, as in there's four
species of aliens. I think it's part of a PSYOP. So they're going to fake an alien invasion.
But it's the first ever official government thing
where they've acknowledged different alien races.
That was about two hours ago.
So I haven't even digested.
Like, what does it mean?
What's going on?
But what's your thought on that one?
There's breaking news to me
because I've just been busy getting up and ready
ready for the show so what are they called okay let me find the exact list
so I don't want to say the wrong one one so just give me a second yeah I'm used
to filling time yeah it's it took place in a Twitter space, so that is crucial because it – oh, you okay?
Yeah, that was just my chair switching off.
So where was I found it?
So it's redacted.
That was where the clip was redacted with someone.
What was his name?
The show has got got here we go. So let me retweet it. So then I can pin it in
the space. Yeah. Pin to Oh, you can download videos now on Twitter. That's new.
I'll pin it in a second.
here it is.
Just one second.
Sorry, I'm keeping you on the edge here.
I'm used to it. this is what you always do
so why change your fucking habit of a lifetime okay i'm gonna attempt to guess them which i'd
rather not do but otherwise i'll lose the tension so the the ones i, there were the Tall Whites was one of them,
the Reptilians was one of them, and the Insectoids was one of them.
Now, I think there was one more, and that's the one I can't remember.
They were three of the four.
I've never heard of Insectoids before.
That's new to me.
Sorry.
Yeah, what's your take on that?
And now the big question is, just off the names,
which club would you like to be a part of?
Well, it depends on their intent.
The tall whites look humanoid,
so that would be in the box of
we're an extension of them, in a sense but but it could be that the
crew cross you don't want to be part of that do you you don't want to join the ku klux clan of
alien races by accident you know yeah oh here's here it is let me i've got i found the video of
it whoa whoa whoa pause it's i see it playing let is. Let me... I've found the video there.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Pause.
I can see it playing.
Let me scroll back.
It was one minute into the video.
Hopefully, you'll hear this.
Let me just turn the volume up.
Here we go.
So he claims all this.
Greys, Nordics, insectoids, and reptilians.
So I did get one of them wrong it tall whites was let me just get
grays he said that may be different grays nordics insectoids and reptilians grays nordics insectoids
and reptilians that's four is it yeah that's the four greys, nordics, insectoids
reptilians
well the greys are like a bunch of old
people then
yeah I don't know
I guess the greys are the
as shown in the X-Files aren't they
the small big eyed alien
things
yeah yeah
so what else has been happening for you this week big-eyed alien things. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah.
So, what else has been happening for you this week,
about from... I don't know how to top that.
Breaking for these beaches revealed.
I went to the cinema.
What did you watch?
I didn't even go to the cinema.
That was meant to be a joke.
So, let's
think this week.
Oh yeah, I watched
Unreal, the first episode
of it. What did you think?
I really enjoyed it.
I thought it was really good.
Yeah, because
I had some homework and I did my homework as well. thought is really good. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've got, you know,
I had some homework and I did my homework as well.
Do you remember my own work?
I do.
Yeah.
Yeah. I watched it twice.
Ooh,
I can't wait to hear your feedback.
When have you watched it last?
Have you ever watched it after that?
Yeah, I watched it last week.
I watch it a few times in the last...
No, I've probably watched it three times in the last year, I'd say.
Yeah.
It's good, but it's like an hors d'oeuvre, you know?
It's good, but it's like an hors d'oeuvre, you know?
It's like a bit of pompadour.
You want the whole meal.
You don't...
I like it.
You want...
It made me...
It gave me a few questions.
Is there anything you really really like about
that when you watch your backup you know i had a couple of questions
yeah uh i like the acting i think they're really good and they were extremely talented at the peak of
a youth life whatever the word is and they really made it because some of the
bits acting was really subtle there was certain bits that was brilliant so they
wouldn't really made it and I thought I thought it felt believable that it was real but strange
enough that it was surreal which I thought was okay but yeah but I'm really
curious what you thought about it yeah is there anything you particularly hate
about it that it wasn't that I didn't do more of it that it wasn't finished
that maybe it wasn't finished for a reason
there's one small
yeah sorry
yeah go on sorry
yeah there's one small
band of
it's like the video wasn't even slightly
stretched to fit the full screen
and there's like a band of
grey at the bottom of the video,
which is simple to fix on Adobe Premiere today,
but it's essentially an error, but that's easy to fix.
And it's a quirk, I guess, gray bar at the bottom.
And my question was going to be that it says to be continued.
How, how many, how many installments do you think it would be?
Now, let me check.
I don't think I've opened the script since then.
So that's 20 years ago.
But I think there was...
So let's have an exclusive here then.
Sorry, say again.
So let's have an exclusive here for the audience. Let's like
Oh, I see it the experiment part four is in my word documents. Oh, right
Now there is a question if part three was let me open it you know what let's open it what yeah written
must be that early 2000
yeah it says date created uh content created 18th of may 2004 11 53 pm
2004, 11.53pm.
Okay, the head...
Should I reveal a headline for it?
That's a spoiler alert.
I should just take a deep breath, Edward.
Yeah.
Take a deep breath.
Yeah.
Take a deep breath.
It's there.
What headline that is?
I want to know what happens.
Closed.
Oh, my God.
It looks good from the headline.
Shit.
Oh, no.
I want to.
Oh, that's great.
You're a genius, Shabazz.
There's no way I would have opened that file today.
And that headline was just perfect.
Oh, my God.
Are you going to tell me what it was
i i will but should i though because i'm like this is official this is like fox news now like i can't when the film's ready to come out i can't be like it's not out there they'll be like well you said it on the 5th of november whatever come on reveal the truth of the bible mr jesus you're live on the sky news
i'll do this is gonna be amazing I'll reveal it privately
I think that's the best way
do you think
yeah it's a difference between
telling one person and telling everyone on earth
yeah
one of my ideas was going to be that
well I didn't know that you had it
written one of my ideas
was going to be that you
you had it written. One of my ideas was going to be that you write it by bit, but you've already got it read.
So, you know, every week I think you should read a line from it.
Yeah, I'm happy to take it in any direction it goes.
I could see it being, whatever I've written doesn't have to be used that's just what
i was thinking then i mean i'd never have thought fast forward 20 years that this would be going on
in the world as the last four years right so that's changed everything so yeah i would love it if it came to be. And there's a lot of Roy Orbison in there.
Yeah.
That song.
Do you remember when
we went to watch Roy Orbison play?
It was
the tribute guy, wasn't it? Yeah.
The Roy Orbison.
We could have pretended it was really
Roy Orbison.
Well, that's part of going to a tribute show, isn't it?
You don't go in there pretending it was taking out of EastEnders.
Yeah.
That was so good.
I still remember that now.
Yeah, it was great.
Was it the playhouse?
Yeah, yeah.
On Oxford Road.
The palace.
Sorry.
It's called the palace.
Palace.
So it's still there then?
Yeah, yeah.
That's good.
You know, the corner house, it it moved and they haven't
done anything with that building still
very strange they've not used that building
yeah they gave it
to the university but the university
aren't doing much with it
doesn't make any sense
doesn't make any sense
easily make it part of the film school.
And even if all that happens is the films get shown there,
the students made every Friday.
I mean, you could charge two quid just to the public.
I mean, people would imagine having a university experimental film show
every week at an actual cinema.
They could literally, they own the building.
The fact that it's not open, it's a sign of something's going on that's malicious behind this being for it
not to happen it's not like it's what's the word it's not like a building is
gonna collapse is it denigrate what's the word when they say it's unlivable
whatever no no I mean the stuff goes on there but very little i mean the university own it but they could be turning it into a cinema
a university they could make the film school in the the film calls in manchester really big
just off the back of that you know oh yeah people would travel from sheffield leeds it's an hour nice journey on
the train that travel for that because it's unique you know sitting in public with people
you know you even have popcorn i mean i don't think you have to make it snobby
people would travel for that though even a cherry tomatoes into the popcorn
yeah so they don't it's not crunchy. Hit
tabs of acid. Like, whatever people
want, just come in, sit
down, chill out, watch four hours of student
films, go home every week.
What could go wrong? The university could
own the building. That's what could go wrong.
And then you punch Jodie McGee all the
way out.
Well, I'm not
espousing any form of violence against
former university professors from
Manchester, so
that's just a joke if anyone's listening.
I'm not saying he
doesn't deserve it, but that's a totally
different thing.
Would you have a beer with John and Mickey?
Yeah,
but it wouldn't go so well for him, don't think it'd probably get up and leave halfway
through it i wouldn't avoid it but i wouldn't go out my way to meet him
would would would it last more than 10 minutes do you reckon
i don't know i i wouldn't necessarily think that it'd be an explosive thing.
I would, if anything came up about university or anything,
or if the experiment is trending and he claims any credit for it,
then I'll make it clear that he was one of the reasons it didn't become more than it was,
because he more or less tried to fail me for the whole thing.
So fuck him.
Fucking pretentious idiot
but at the same time I would
I would have a drink with him
I only can't
draw the line like that
I love getting a lot of that too
reaction
I've seen him a couple of times in Asda.
Over the years.
You bumped into him, I guess.
Yeah, a few times.
Yeah, so always weird
but yeah
yeah
with you this week
say again
what else has been happening with you this week
I'm not sure if I want to
like talk
about everything that I'm doing publicly.
I'd rather keep that back.
But if something is relevant, I'll talk about it.
But I'd rather talk off the space.
But I'd rather talk about WWE Unreal and that a bit more
because you said something really, what's the word,
prescient, I guess, last week.
And you said that it's necessary to understand wrestling
like even more today because of politics i'm basically i'm curious what made you think that
why is wrestling more important today than ever because i i think politicians are key baby
yeah I agree
because they don't know what else to do
yeah
they're in over the head
and they're just trying to fake it
until they make it
absolutely
when did you think that first
when did the penny drop, I guess?
It's been ever since Trump got elected.
First time or second?
First time.
So we're talking 2016. Okay, that's a good date to think of.
When did you first think it was kayfabe?
Did you think straight in 2016 or
what moment do you look back and think that was the moment?
I think it was a gradual
thing, it's not, I was
like, no, no, it can't be true
as every
year passes, I
just feel that we don't have the
leaders we
need and the leaders we need
and the leaders that this time demands.
Like, in this country, we've got Keir Starmer.
He's just a wet fish.
Yeah.
And he's meant to be a human rights lawyer.
Yeah. It came in on that premise and and he's meant to be the adult in the room just because he's got a uh a knighthood you know right but but i i tell you what when i met him a couple of years ago
when we were studying for leader because i went to the hosting he he shook my hand and i kid you not
because i'm good at describing things but he looked to me like a granny with a quiff
granny with a quiff he could you say that again he looked at you like or he
looked like he looks like a granny with a quiff interesting now I'll just throw
it out there there and I don't know if this is true but there is one conspiracy
theory that all the world eat not all but like most of the world leaders are essentially
The opposite gender at birth and they get transitioned and there's some reason for it
Well, was that what you're suggesting or are you?
Are you saying you look like a man you just look like an idiot or actually saying you look female
No, I'm just saying he looks strange. I mean it looked very
very very wrinkly and very, you know,
and he was obsessed with seeing whether anybody was photographing him,
shaking hands with a disabled guy.
So he was eager to get that on camera?
Yeah, but nobody was around.
I see. I see. So so got you so he looks strange that's I'll put an asterisk next to that like that's worth thinking
about did you get any vibe off him did he feel nice he didn't feel he felt dead dead behind the eyes really
yeah well that's
they say that the eyes are the window to the soul
and all
whereas when I met Corbyn
I don't just go around meeting leaders and stuff
they go around meeting you
yeah
I ended up finding out
Corbyn was doing a rally rally in withingshore of all
places so i went to withingshore glamorous place that withingshore is and i i had a word with
corbin and he was very engaging very uh very. He was more worried about getting run over by
my chair than anything else, because he was leaning on my chair and he was like, what?
There was loads of cameras around us and stuff like that. So, yeah, but he actually was listening
to what I was saying. It was such a contrast between the two
yeah right there is the thing the human connection
he was in a prime spot but at the end of the day
if the enemy controls
all the media doesn't matter how nice
you are you'll get crushed
and they made him
look like a liar and
he was Russian wearing a Russian hat.
It was all bullshit.
But I think people look back at him more fondly now.
And again, is he controlled opposition?
Is he designed to make you think
there's someone out there for you?
But in reality, I don't know.
Maybe he's for real.
I'm not sure.
But you've you gotta remember the
guy is 76 now we can't we can't people can't just keep relying on these like old people like him and
bird and sanders and stuff you know newer people need to come in here.
Because, you know, even at our age, you start to feel old and you think,
fucking hell, these people are twice my age and they're still people,
like, getting them to do all kinds of things, you know?
And I think, uh, I think there should be an age limit on prime ministers.
Do you? That's interesting. I don't really, I don't really care whether I,
I would be happy if the prime minister was nine or 90.
It wouldn't bother me if you think you'd be able to.
So, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You don't mind if you were being led,
the Prime Minister of the country was nine years old.
Strangely, I think it would work.
I mean, on the surface, it might sound silly.
Now, I'm not saying that a random nine-year-old is picked and you say all right Rupert you've you
control if we you know who gets shot I don't necessarily mean that but some sort of decision
making system around uh children voting if there was a just sort of a a sort of tokenistic leader
of that system children voting for things would almost certainly vote towards fun love and
happiness sort of things nothing sexual because they're too young right yeah i never thought
about sex when i was young so all their decisions it would be hard for them to make it you know how
will leaders i don't know do something because they can sleep with a model or something right
that sort of thing so i feel that if they had a system that benefited them, or not benefited them, if there was a system built around them,
I'd be more confident in a child prime minister making a final vote
than Keir Starmer or John Major or Bernard Ingham or people like that.
Yes, that's very, very interesting.
But you know what makes me think?
It's like, yeah yeah that is true now but
I would think if that became law wouldn't the marketing just start earlier
the the lobbying of nine-year-olds would start they would be hanging about like
schools and doing all kinds of things to curry favour
with
like nine-year-olds,
you know?
I like that
question, and I never thought of it before,
but I feel there's a natural protection
against it, because as soon as adults
start trying to give money to children,
it's wrong anyway.
It'd be doubly wrong. You'd be trying to bribe a child and give money to children it's wrong anyway so it'd be doubly wrong
you'd be trying to bribe a child and give
money to a child
no but
yeah
but that's why we have these
conversations because of the
interesting debate and I'm
just thinking of it now
because I've never thought of that
idea ever
but I just
think that's because the way
society is set up now
but if it was the case that
I'm just picking
the nine year old because that's the
example you came up with
but I'm saying like
wouldn't eventually
society just adapt to a different kind of system, you know?
But I don't know if you're aware that one of the things that the Labour Party has done is
they're going to bring in votes for 60 girls.
So it is getting lowered you know
is that for the general election
yeah yeah for next
for next time round
and to me it does make sense
because if you could get married
and succeed and join the army
then
you should be able to vote
on whether you think these things are right or wrong
yeah i'm thinking my first thought is it's a good idea my second thought is if there's one
sort of media platform let's say 80 of all 16 year olds on, it would be possible to like
sort of filter them to a
gate of a sort of propagandize
them more. I think 16-year-olds
are more likely to, say they're all on TikTok,
if you could somehow
sort of brainwash them there,
whereas it is a good idea,
though, and at the end of the day,
16-year-old
is smart enough to know
that you shouldn't invade Syria or Iran or something.
So why shouldn't they vote?
Yeah.
It's an interesting thought, though, isn't it, really?
Yeah, for sure.
Most people don't vote. That's the problem. Most people don't vote
that's the problem
most people do not vote
well because they've got no reason to vote
and they've got no choice
yeah both sides are controlled by the same
beast
so you literally have no choice
it almost is
playing the system along if you vote,
but if you don't vote, they're just going to swing it the other way anyway.
Because I'm involved in, like, a little bit in politics.
For example, I had a meeting with Andy Burnham,
the mayor of Manchester State, yesterday,
about a bill going through Parliament.
And because I sit on his disabled people panel
and the more the more you climb that greasy pole you realize the higher up you go the less people
know the less what sorry the less people no you know
okay okay got you
like so you're saying that he and well not him
necessarily but like that
level of person you're saying that they seem
less smart yeah
well then I
would imagine you know
gotcha
and that in his own
way is quite scary because it's like, you know, because you think you're being like people, oh, nobody's accountable, you see.
Everybody goes, well, that's out of my hands, you know,
speak to the person above me, above me, above me, you know, kind of thing.
So it's kind of scary.
And I'll tell you the other thing that I've started to realise
is that in this country, I don't know what it's like in the country,
but in this country we I don't know what it's like in the country,
but in this country we have a civil service,
and now the civil service is unelected, and it's just a bunch of smart people,
but they stay there for 30, 40 years.
Now the government changes
every couple of years but the civil service have to work with whoever's in power
but it's the civil service that advise ministers because the ministers are just spoke people you know and that's that's what i've come to realize that's quite interesting
to me sorry you might not want to speak about this but it's just a thought i was having
yeah i'm happy to talk about this uh what's uh could you just explain that again? You're saying the ministers are the spokesperson and the civil servant is...
The people that...
The people with the ideas, really.
When you say the ideas,
are you saying that they're pushing the ideas,
so the ideas are coming from them,
or are you saying that they're the ones trying to do things?
Well, we're told that the minister tells them what to do,
but I think it's the other way around.
Yeah, I've got to.
That's what I thought you were hinting.
So you're basically saying that the civil servants are essentially the,
let's say the real ones with power,
but the ministers are more like actors playing the
wrestlers and it's the civil servants who essentially are sort of pushing it somehow
or somehow controlling what's really happening somehow so what would be a civil servant example
who would be a civil servant are they named?
Traditionally, it's just like people who do the research and do the work and put the briefings together
and all that kind of thing.
I see.
Do they get named or is it just like a civil servant X?
They obviously have names, but they don't get named in public.
You know, you can find who works there, but there's so many of them that it's hearty.
It's not like the secret service where they have codenames.
I'm just saying they're just a civil servant, you know.
Like my next neighbor just a civil servant you know like my next neighbor is a
civil servant and he works in some government department but he has a name you know but
when they talk about their job they say they're a civil servant anderve. And then you ask them for further detail,
and then they tell you which department they work in.
I see.
So it's possible they're the ones who are disseminating the information.
Yeah.
Almost behind the scenes, possibly.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy.
I'm saying that's the way the peculiar system seems to work.
Well, that would suggest a conspiracy
if the ministers are in fact not the ones making decisions
because they're the ones that the public is looking at as if they are.
So something is going on if they're not.
And if the civil...
It would be a good space or it could be a good...
Like trying to do spaces with civil servants.
Like grilling civil servants with Edward Luce.
That sounds kind of funny.
Getting a civil servant
loose with Edward Luce
well I'm up for anything
more or less
well you see
here's my
because I've done podcasts
and live streams
and I've got good
at interviewing and stuff.
I've always been interested in conversation,
but what I picked up there is you said I'm up for anything more or less.
I want to delve into that more or less.
So what would you not be up for?
Anything with naked men and animals.
Or, you know, nothing sinister.
Just women and multiples of them is basically what I'm up for.
And magic mushrooms, who knows?
But, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
The other thing I wanted to mention to you was the other film I watched.
I watched a Nicolas Cage film.
And, you know, recently his films have been wacky and, like, really out there.
I know you're not that much of a film guy anymore, but you should watch
some of his latest films.
I'll give it a watch.
I'm not, say, not a film
guy, but I just don't watch
as many films.
Eyes Wide Shut, I mean, I'm still
a film guy at my heart,
but yeah, it has to be something special.
I'd watch a Nicolas Cage film. I'm not a film guy at my heart. But yeah, it has to be something special. I'd watch a Nicolas Cage film.
I'm not a fan of him.
I think it'd be a really good film if it made me like a Nicolas Cage film.
So I'll give it a shot for sure.
No, he just seems to do like a really, really wacky, like off-the-wall films.
Like really trippy films.
There's something off about him.
I can't put my finger on it, but...
You know, he always seems really wooden to me.
That's what I feel.
Yeah, fair enough.
But do you know he's a Coppola?
A what, sorry?
A Francis Ford Coppola.
What, related?
Yeah.
Now, that's interesting.
That is interesting.
I'm pretty sure you can Google it,
and he changes his name to make his own way.
I was going to say like he
seems so wooden to me
that I almost wonder
if he's in that position because
he's related to someone.
I think that's what I sort of think. So the fact you
said that is pretty
let me double check.
Yes, that would prove it in a sense.
I mean you could
live fact check your hair.
Oh, what happened there?
You fall off the perch.
Born into the Coppola family.
Cage began his career.
There you go.
Wowee.
You learn something every...
Sometimes more than you learn something every day.
Today, I learned that there's four different official alien races
and Nicolas Cage as a coppola.
Yeah.
Do you know Francis Ford Coppola made that film?
What's he called?
Yeah.
His magnum opus.
He spent $200 million of his own money.
What's he called?
Megaropolis it's called
I wonder what you would make of
that film
okay I
didn't know about it is that a new film
yeah
I haven't watched it yet but
it's meant to be his passion
project that he's done for like
for the last
30 years or whatever.
So far that hasn't been, that I can think of, that hasn't been one film that a legend
said was their passion project that when it came out it was actually really any good.
I can't think of an example. Can you?
No, it's very difficult because i think they get too obsessed with it
yeah you'd think that the more obsessed you were with something and the more time you spent on it
in theory it'd make it better if i'm sort of logically but maybe you can overthink it yeah um and i'm watching in this and maybe you're not into watching tv shows either but
can i remember talking to you one time and you said you just don't have the attention span or
you don't have the patience or whatever for tv or film but this tv show i think you should check out
called severance I think you get a lot out of it yeah I've got basically I can watch things, but as soon as it's a series hit, no.
That's just no.
It'll have to be the best series ever, as good as The Wire,
for me to watch a series now.
A one-off film, yeah, but if it's a film and a series,
I can politely say I won't be watching it because I just don't have time.
even if it's brilliant it has to be the top top level is it top top level
Even if it's brilliant, it has to be the top, top level.
Is it top, top level?
i've i've watched the first season i think it's i think it's really good i think it's top level
is it top top level it's top top level no okay i'm gonna watch it i'm gonna watch it what was
the name of it severance i think you'd get a lot out of it yeah i'll give it a go then
and i don't want to give you like spoilers or anything but i just think
you would and you know because i know that you've got some other stuff going on and you don't
really like because i i've spoken to you a couple of
times and you mentioned it the attention span and you haven't got time to do any of that but i'm
mentioning it to you because i think you'd be right your wheelhouse thank you i definitely
don't want to miss something as good as the wire uh it's just so many things today. I think in the last few years,
there's been four or five really good series or something that have sort of started brilliantly
and in two or three seasons was rubbish.
And I'm going to say one, Game of Thrones,
three or four series were brilliant.
And the final series was one of the worst series ever.
And the total sum of watching Game of Thrones is a complete,
like, you thought you were going to orgasm, and you didn't.
And it was rubbish.
And you wish it hadn't even started.
So there's a bit of that going on as well in TV.
So I'm also a bit nervous about investing in something
which may be designed to get worse deliberately
just to fuck with people through the media so that's
worthy of thinking
I totally get what you mean about Game of Thrones
because I felt like that
but I felt like that
about Dexter I thought Dexter
was one of the
shittiest endings
ever
but I tell you
what was brilliant
in the end.
What made me turn around
and don't give out any spoilers
for anyone, but
the ending of Sopranos
just
convinced me that endings were really
really important.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so. And I think it's quite easy to do endings well
because like it's like you hit a nice musical note oh wow and then you leave
the silence after it that's all an ending is easy so if an ending is done
like the hard part is getting to the ending so if you've got something
that is just a genuinely bad ending my first thought now is that that was done deliberately
do you know what i mean it'd be like if you made a meal for someone and you had a really nice dessert
and they come away from the meal thinking it was horrible. You'd never eat it again. You had to have done something bad with the dessert to make someone have.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, yeah, the wire was brilliant.
The final shot, absolutely brilliant.
I thought the final season wasn't that good, though.
Say again, sorry.
The final season wasn't that good, though.
So when you took, sorry. The final season wasn't that good, though. So, when you...
Yeah.
It wasn't quite as good as the fourth.
Maybe.
I think the first, second, third, and fourth were all sort of...
Amazing, yeah.
Yeah.
So, if you've got five seasons and the final season wasn't quite as good,
but the ending was still brilliant,
I still think that satisfies a brilliant ending to a series
because it's on the way down, but it still ended on a high.
That's different to sort of something was good
and then the last four seasons of it were rubbish
and it didn't even end well.
That's slightly different. I know what you're saying.
The last season was a bit of a stretch
but wasn't it a stretch because all
the police were doing the murders?
It was like that had never happened.
Fast forward to today. Maybe people will look
back at that fifth series and think, you know what?
That wasn't so far-fetched anymore.
I don't know. It'd be worth
revisiting it. Oh, I've got to watch the't so far-fetched anymore. I don't know. It'd be worth revisiting it.
Oh, I've got to watch the fifth series of The Wire now as well.
Jesus.
Sorry, I don't think you can give me a viewing.
I don't just spend my entire time just viewing.
But, you know, I've always been interested in film and TV.
Oh, yeah.
Always a great medium of our time.
And I don't like to just sit there all day,
but I like to, you know, watch good stuff
and, like, get ideas from it and stuff like that.
And that leads me on to another question.
Just off the top of your head,
can you remember how
the fourth part of,
the final part of the experiment ends?
I don't have,
I haven't read the document where it ends, so I can't remember I haven't read
the document where it ends so I can't remember
what I originally wrote but I don't have an ending in my
head though so no I don't
no but I just wondered whether it
was implanted in your head like
yeah obviously I know
how it ends but
yeah
because when
when watching your film
I was like
God, this could either end really quickly
or it could be vastly explored
you know, it could go all over the place
It could last 20 years
Yeah, yeah
but that's the feeling I got from it
it could end after two installments,
or it could have 22 installments.
I was that house, 66 Bremar Road,
was something that happened during the filming of that,
the experiment that I didn't really
expect and I'm not so sure that reality didn't change then anyway it may still
be in the film but I would love it if something if it came if if Scott was
ever in this space or if Ruth just appeared I'd know that something is
happening there's some energy being drawn together. So I'm open-minded.
What is reality?
I don't know.
Yeah, but we should try and coax them into it and coming into the space.
I would like for one of the aspects of this show
aspect of this show to culminate in the end in that you ending the film completely you know
to culminate in the end,
filming all parts that'd be brilliant i mean one of the ideas i was going to say even if
you you can't see it happening anytime soon but just to get you to read bits of the script you
know just the outline and just build get build a bit of online buzz and then people
desperately want you to make the film
yeah i mean if people come
if people want it I'll do my best
to make it happen
yeah but it's
for us to tease them
yeah
I agree
tickle their taint
and I know that's your whole
shtick
you like the whole
I don't just tickle taints Shabazz stick till you know you like the whole
i don't just tickle tates shabazz
do you wanna do you wanna
is he gonna
no when you call prod me
i never cattle prod me I never cattle prodded you that's not true
is it gonna
you know
I never had a cattle prod
I may have tickled you with the
what was it the broom or something
I remember the broom
yeah
it was all in good fun.
Maybe I should have cattle prodded you,
but I never did that.
No, they didn't have tasers back then.
And we didn't quite have the dark web back then either.
They must have had tasers back then.
That's not a new invention.
The web was around but
You couldn't buy a taser off. Well, maybe you could actually that would have been change University. Yeah, so is your website still
It's on the way back machine, but I don't know if you saw
The FBI is taking over the way back machine as of about a month and a half, two months ago,
which is a major totalitarian shift.
So it's on there now, but may not be forever.
What is the Wayback Machine?
That's the archive of all the Internet's websites
as they were back in the time.
So A Gentleman is no longer online,
but the original is online, but it's archived.
Wayback Machine, otherwise known as archive.org.
And that was basically, let's just say, a charity that archived the Internet from 2001 until 2025.
You can check websites like bbz.com back in like 2005.
But that whole system is, as I I said is being taken over by the FBI
of all people so that suggests
that they're going to start
censoring stuff I guess
could you be turned off eventually
could you like download it onto
a hard drive before they get rid of it
you could try but it's
an absolutely massive
database that's why
there's sort of they've got massive computers so even if you tried to copy
it all you would struggle to even with the time it took to do it because you'd
need the hard drives to so it's basically gone then is that what you
telling me I think psychologically it should be thought of as gone,
but because it's still there, it should still be used.
And, yeah, you should archive stuff if it's for things you want.
But as soon as the FBI says that they're taking it over it,
I mean, that just means that as soon as a really important document
is referred to with a politician or something,
that will be censored and gone, no doubt.
And they'll put fake information in it too,
probably.
Yeah.
So you wouldn't even know what was real.
But,
but you can't just Google it now and it will be there.
It's locked.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Is there anything you want to say before we,
wrap up?
no, I enjoyed the space as always and yeah Wes I reached
out to him he's on nights again
so he will be sleeping right now
and hopefully we can bring
him in a future week
and I'm just expecting you this is not
to goad you into doing anything
but I'm just expecting
the unexpected doing this
I just expect you to
bring the odd guest
you know
I don't know who
I don't know who you're going to bring
let me do one next week
I'll bring a random guest I won't
tell you who it is let's just leave it
as a surprise and we'll see what happens.
I can't make a 100% guarantee because obviously it relies on other people,
but I'll do my best.
I'm not saying you have to.
I'm just giving you the level of, like, when I'm doing this,
I know I'm giving myself over to you kind of thing.
And I know what you're like.
So anything can happen. myself over to you kind of thing and I know what you're like so anything
anything can happen
indeed anything can
happen so yeah
well that's
that's life I guess
what better time than four different species
of alien
yeah that's breaking news to me
is there anything you want me to have done by next
week or no just keep the vibes up as always and uh yeah let's chat soon i'll share the headline
that was in the script uh in a message i'll send that to you all right but i'm thinking next week
See you next week sometime.
Sorry, I missed that.
See you next week sometime.
Yeah, chat soon.
Cheers, Shabazz.
Take it easy.
See you, everybody.
Bye.
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Er, Gentleman.
Go on, you.
Go again.
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