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errgentlemen Wesley Dogman Thomas
Recorded: Sept. 10, 2025 Duration: 1:02:18Space Recording
Short Summary
Recent discussions reveal significant trends in global unrest, media narratives, and tourism dynamics, highlighting the escalating protests in Nepal, shifting tourist preferences in Southeast Asia, and the impact of corporate interests on local cultures.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you testing one two three what's that testing one two three can you hear me all right
testing one two three you pass the sound check yeah what are you saying how you doing
there you go you're loud you could you hear my hairdryer a little bit yeah
can you hear it you can't hear it maybe it filters the sound I was gonna give
you an Alex Ferguson hairdryer at the start, but I guess it's...
Can you believe Alex Ferguson's still alive?
Yeah, he's what? He's like 82 or something.
A bit older than that now, I think.
I thought he was going to be one of those people that as soon as his wife died, he was going to die.
I didn't know his wife died.
When did she pass away?
Yeah, about 10 years ago.
No, was it?
Yeah.
Sorry.
This is a weird way to start the stream, I suppose.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I started with a hairdryer so
i thought that she was telling him to retire the whole time but no no i tell a lie she was telling
him to keep managing because he needed and then he carried on the so it was only like 10 years ago
when he retired wasn't it it was in well it was in 2013. oh my goodness time has flown by i remember that well
yeah i didn't realize she died that's a shame yeah like you said uh
you would have thought he would need someone like that but are you sure she died i guess you'd know
more than anyone i didn't go to a, if that's what you're asking.
Are you sure it was her funeral?
I've been at this one.
I said I didn't go to a funeral,
if that's what you're asking me.
Yeah.
But yeah.
what are you up to?
Yeah, I'm just...
Are you still in here?
Yeah, I'm still here.
I'm still waiting for my
things to work through
and get processed,
yeah,
it's been okay.
Nothing special.
A little bit boring.
I think there's a storm
starting right now.
Oh, yes, there is. See if you can hear hear this I don't know if you'll be able to
you hear that what does it filter the sound out yeah yeah how long nothing
will for only about two or three minutes.
It started when the space started.
Oh, that's a bit weird.
It's been a nice day, though, but it's rainy season.
It's starting now.
I guess it starts in September.
So, yeah, right on target.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, how about yourself?
How are you doing, Shabazz?
Am I right?
Yeah.
What's on the agenda for today?
I'm not sure.
I thought we could talk about what happened in Nepal yesterday.
I thought that was quite interesting.
What happened in Nepal?
Oh, now that's interesting.
So you haven't seen, you don't know anything about Nepal then?
No, not if that's happened recently.
Yeah, so, I mean, the first thing I heard about it was someone that I know in Bangkok
shared an Instagram post just saying that there were some protesters had been shot in Nepal.
So this was like, I'd say, 24 hours ago or so, said that there were some protesters were shot.
So, in fact fact it may have
been two days ago I saw that but anyway I saw the Instagram post from my friend
protestor shot and then by yesterday when I went to bed at about 10 p.m. the protesters from Nepal
in response to some of them being shot the day before had burnt alive the
finance no burnt alive the minister one of the minister's wives in the house
they had dragged the finance minister to a river stripped him naked in the river
and burnt down one of the major parliament buildings so you're talking about a complete overthrowing of,
well, I won't say a complete overthrowing,
but just about the equivalent of the overthrowing of a government
like through violent means.
And yeah, so it's crazy that you haven't heard about it,
which makes me think that's not on the agenda of the elites
for people to know about because that's probably the last thing they want firstly they don't want
it happening and secondly they don't want word of it spreading no over here we're just hearing about
france right so that means that they probably do want people thinking about france because that's
always a country where they protest and there's a big argument then things go back to normal now
that's within the uh like that's within the narrative isn't it yeah people can be seen to protest but as long as it stays calm relatively you know so yeah and how israel bombed qatar
yesterday so yeah that as well that as well yeah uh that's bizarre isn't it
well they're trying to trigger world war three that's that's definitely
what they want to do so israel was set up by the rothschilds in the 40s or 30s or so so
it does that doesn't surprise me but i mean qatar is like uh meant to be a friendly country I think apparently
it's got 60,000 Brits living there yeah loads of people live there because it's
a business people yeah it's like, you know,
it's a bit bizarre, really.
Well, yeah,
it's not bizarre if you're expecting it.
I mean,
I said three years ago that once people realized that
the injections from COVID were actually
designed as a poison,
they'd have to do a World War III
because you
can only cover one shocking thing with something worse so i mean i was expecting it but if you're
not thinking of the world through that lens then it might be surprising but i mean you're talking
about seriously evil people uh that are basically they're all in in a chess sense they're all no in a poker sense they're all in like if they don't trigger a world war 3 now then they're
gonna get finance minister from nepal i would guess yeah genuinely if i didn't
speak to you i wouldn't have known about it i literally haven't even heard a peep.
So I suppose that shows how strong the media control is, even in the world we live in today.
Yeah. Crazy.
And on the softer side of the world,
do you know it's the Manchester Derby this derby this weekend i did not know that no
and you know what's funny about that
yeah i've played in gold do you know that man city bought a new goalkeeper an italian guy
Do you know that Man City have bought a new goalkeeper, an Italian guy, that used to play for PSG?
And why that's funny, he's meant to be one of the best.
And United have just got rid of their goalkeeper, who wasn't meant to be one of the best.
So we're going to have a rookie in goal
And they're going to have a guy
Who's won the
The Champions League and stuff
In their goal for the first time
Is that Donnarumma?
Yeah, Gigi Donnarumma
So has Edison
Edison's been fired?
Yeah, he's gone to Turkey.
To where, sorry?
To Turkey.
Is he? That was quick.
And so
was Andre Onana.
Oh, is he?
Well, that was the Man United goalkeeper.
Yeah, we bought him
for 50 million two years ago.
We sent him out on loan to a Turkish
team.
Who have they replaced him with?
Some rookie from Belgium.
I don't know who that is. I've not heard of him. I don't follow it too much, but I've not even heard of him at all. No, he's called Lemons.
Crazy.
So we're probably going to get a bat head.
I don't know, maybe.
It's hard to know.
We usually turn up for the big games
I don't know if it's all psychological
anyway how's your guitar playing going?
sorry I missed that
how's my
guitar playing going?
well I haven't played it for a while because I've been away from my home,
but I'd say that I'm in pretty good shape.
The last time I sort of test how good I am by not playing for a while,
and then I'll play and see if I can sort of get back into basically see where I'm at
if I take a break so the last time I took a long break I didn't play for about two or three months
and then when I played again I was basically back to baseline within about two practices so
even though I haven't played for a few weeks it'll only take me one or two sessions to get back into it. In fact, actually, when I don't play for a while and then I play again,
the first session I play back, I feel that I'm better somehow than before
because I'm not playing with the same, how can I say?
It's kind of like if you're used to saying the same phrases all the time.
It's hard to say
them with any sort of natural energy but if you then don't say this at that phrase for a while
you sort of say it sort of you say it spontaneously don't you it of like you know just doing a pre-rehearsed and this is my
spiel now you know yeah you definitely over practice over practicing is the
thing if you're with the sort of style of music I'm doing, if I overpractice, it will become stilted.
And instead of sort of letting the, basically the silent notes are where it's at.
If you can let silence hang in the middle of parts of the song, it's so much more powerful.
But if you practice too much, I say if you practice, if I practice too much, I almost you practice if i practice too much i almost always
rush through the notes to try and think to get to the next song so taking a break is actually at
this point beneficial for me uh i'd have if i had a guitar now i'm confident i could go and
do a 20 minute set probably 20 minutes would be about maximum but
you don't really need to play much more than that unless you're doing a stadium.
Would you enjoy it or would you be too self-critical?
No, I'd be confident that I would enjoy it and do
I'd be at least acceptably good at this point but yeah it's more about how it's presented
on the night by the people that control the soundboard and also the venue so i spent a lot of time thinking about that
the vision of how you perform and it i can only do so much and if the venue is trying to be awkward
for example then it it'll lower the quality of my performance a bit uh but all will be revealed when
i start performing which now is getting closer.
It's coming up.
It's going to be January at the latest, I'd guess.
You haven't got a date yet, have you?
No, I have to get back to Bangkok,
and then I've got to try and meet the tourism minister.
Actually, there has been an update.
There's been a new prime minister in Thailand,
and it's this guy he's the guy that legalized weed in thailand a few years ago names anutin he's just like the weed guy so
he's the new prime minister that fits my uh vision of basically mixing music and marijuana in live venues so i could probably throw that in the proposal
to sort of like i don't know what the law would be like with regard to like
weed in stadiums i think you meant to only smoke at home but i would recommend that tourism is way
down in thailand so i would suggest that they need more live music events where people can smoke weed
at the venue or like outside basically because it'd be a stadium or something so uh that that's
my goal yeah is tourism way down apparently so yeah that's what I'm hearing It's
See already
Already in this
In this stream
I've learnt two things off you
So it's always worth doing this
You know
Because I wouldn't have heard about the Nepal thing
And I wouldn't have known about the
You know, Thailand tourism
Because you can You can hear about it In articles and stuff And I wouldn't have known about the, you know, Thailand tourism.
Because you can hear about it in articles and stuff.
But somebody who actually is on the ground there,
it's always got a different perspective, you know.
Yeah, well, they said that lots of the tourists from Thailand are going to Vietnam now.
And they're saying that where I'm at right now is one of the main places they go, but it's not that busy.
Most of the restaurants are empty all the time. I don't really know how many of them can make an income.
The beaches are kind of busy, but if it's raining, they're kind of empty.
And the restaurants, yeah, they're just just i would say that they're like 80
empty all of them so if vietnam is meant to be the place that thailand tourists are now going to
i'm certainly not seeing it where i am so well yeah which place are you which place are you in
i'm not going to say in the space. I can tell you offline. Okay.
Yeah.
I don't want to say.
fair enough.
I just wonder when I'm back in the space,
that's fine. But I just want to,
whilst I'm here for different reasons,
not say,
but it's by the beach.
Would you like to live by the beach?
Probably not.
I find it boring.
Is it?
Yeah.
It's like Bill Hicks always said, it's where dirt
meets water.
I'm enjoying it to a degree.
I mean, I keep waking up and heading to the beach drinking coffee on the beach,
and it's relaxing, but it's not.
I mean, you can only go to the beach.
Well, let's say it is relaxing if you go every day,
but it's not enough to fulfill me forever a few
nights maybe if you were here it'd be a laugh but be better off being in Bangkok
because there's a lot more things to do yeah yeah and I was hearing about my
Florida stuff and the same tourism is struggling there because, you know, all the chain restaurants and everything,
like that's moving in.
You know, they're taking the soul out of it kind of thing.
You know?
So that's kind of interesting, I reckon.
I hadn't heard of that.
Are you saying that, that like there's more
McDonald's and things like that
yeah you know like
like big like
franchises
because
little businesses
can't afford to stay afloat
I see
yeah
the only people that can do it are like can't afford to stay afloat. I see, yeah.
The only people that can do it are like massive conglomerate
chains and stuff.
Yeah, I was thinking
of La Rambla
the other day when we went there.
Yeah, it was crazy.
Couldn't believe that.
Crazy place.
I still remember how hungry we were that night we got there
yeah we paid an absolute fortune yeah
let's try this place let's try this place
a few bits of cheese and then we saw him swatching whole cabinets
into the bin
he could have just filled up our table
yeah I just
I just think
we were walking around for hours
well I wasn't walking around
but you know what I mean
I was being pushed around for hours
yeah I really enjoyed being in Barcelona that was that was a lot of fun and he was
like you kept saying what about this place and he said nah I don't like this place? And he said, nah. I don't like this place.
What do you mean you don't like the place?
You haven't been in there.
Nah.
Come on, we're starving.
Nah, we can go through barcelona were amazing when we were driving around and people were like shooting around on the motorbikes at night that was magic really amazing before i lived in thailand of course
that was magical really amazing before i lived in thailand of course that it was like spain was the
thailand of europe in a sense you remember fred and rosemary west
oh yeah fred and fred and uh rose west yeah
I wonder if they're still together.
They're probably dead.
They went down with Ferguson's wife.
What?
They went down with Ferguson's wife.
Yeah. Yeah.
It wouldn't surprise me.
So is there anything
you want to chat about?
Sorry?
What was that?
Is there anything you want to chat about?
Well, I was going to drop a
drop a bomb on you
because you brought it up about the chain restaurants in Barcelona a few minutes ago.
So I thought I'd drop this one on you.
Now, I don't know when the truth of this one is going to come out, but I don't know.
It could be the next year.
It may never, ever come out.
Hypnosis is a weird thing.
But, okay, McDonald's then.
Guess what McDonald's is made from.
This will fucking shock you.
What do you mean McDonald's?
Well, like when they say McDonald's burgers and stuff.
You're not going to say fucking horse meat, are you?
It gets worse than that, my friend. You're not going to say fucking horse meat, are you?
It gets worse than that, my friend.
What could it possibly be?
Human meat.
Can't be serious, bro.
I'm serious.
I'm not going to say 100%. You know me.
I like to be sure.
I'd say that I'm 90%. i'll say 80 sure that that's
what's going on with it it's like the world is not what you think and when people realize it i don't
think it'll be like well okay well that happened then that happened it like a few years apart i
think all the dominoes will fall quickly and And they'll be like, you're telling me what?
The dip is McDonald's.
It's, from what I can gather, there's mass amounts of... That's mental.
Sorry?
That's mental.
It seems that the secret society that rules the world,
which is basically satanic literally i'm not just being
like metaphorical is hyperbolic sorry you're not just being hyperbolic
no no i mean there's been a few occasions where they found teeth and stuff in mcdonald's food but it's what's the what's one what is Ronald McDonald
when you think of the image of him what is it sorry I'm struggling to hear some
of the things you're saying it you may be speaking too close to the microphone, but can you say that again?
He's a clown with funky hair.
Yeah, and like red colour smeared around his lips.
Yeah.
That's his lipstick, isn't it?
The McDonald's logo is sort of like a sideways
three apparently it's
appeared in a cultic
religious textbooks
from the past if I find it
I'll share it with you but
I think the logo of
or the like the catch line
of McDonald's is something like
millions of humans served is something like millions of humans served
or something like that.
Surely not, bro.
Surely not.
Let me just check it out.
I'll just do a search.
It will be readily available
if that's the case.
Let me just check.
McDonald's
millions of humans served.
Okay.
Okay.
It says here, what does McDonald's mean when it says over 90 billion served?
I think, why does McDonald's say 99 billion served?
It can't be that many if it's humans.
Weirdly, I heard a story bucknells this week as well you know how them mcflurry
machines are always broken what was that again yeah i heard something about this but i can't
remember the details you know the mcflurry machines they've they've got something that they can just break them at will because anybody that goes into
a McDonalds will realise that the McFlurry machines are always broken.
And there's some sort of reason for that. I can't remember exactly, but
it was all...
If you go on YouTube, there's videos
of it on there.
I heard this a while back.
I won't call it a conspiracy.
I heard there was something about McFlurry
machines, but I can't remember what it was.
Yeah, because they
genuinely are all broken all the time
yeah what was the suggestion was it that there were money laundering with it somehow or
they were just deliberately right because because they were making more money off getting them fixed
all the time
from some insurance but i don't want to get libeled off mcdonald's can you imagine if to get libeled off McDonald's.
Can you imagine if we get libeled off McDonald's?
Yeah, I honestly think that those,
if there is something sinister going on,
they won't dare sue.
That'll be the last thing they do because that will just bring attention to it.
So I think you
probably say but uh yeah is this the part where we say we're sponsored by mcrolls
that'd be ironic if we just laid into them for a bit. They were like, just saying,
yeah,
we're sponsored by them.
There was like a 1950s or 1960s commercial
of Ronald McDonald.
And it was like,
Ronald McDonald's like a human character in it.
And it was really sinister.
It was like a Ronald,
like walking with a young child.
And it was like more like the character from
it you know that clown thing that lived under the thing i'll share it with you when i get off the
thing and uh send it to you i guess you can't see it right now if i send it so i'll share it after
but like i'm honestly you won't when you see the world through a slightly different lens you'll
start to question things maybe and you'll be like surely people they wouldn't think but if they're killing children
which i'm saying they are for the these rituals then what do they do with them
evil people would feed it to the population and profit from it Yeah, I was good. I was gonna ask you, you know, David Foster Wallace, right?
That rings a bell. Was he the writer?
Yeah.
So you probably haven't read the book.
No, you know, Infinite Jest. It's meant to be one of the hardest books
you ever do, because I seem to remember you knew a bit about David Foster Wallace as well,
but yeah, I just thought maybe you'd read that book, because it's meant to be really difficult to read.
No, a few people have recommended his writings or blogs or something,
if it's the same guy I'm thinking of,
but I've not read one of his books before.
Yeah.
I've been looking into him for
A bit
And I've been looking into Japanese
Literature
Really
Novels
I just want to get a different
Mindset
Nice
Have you read any Murakami?
Yeah But I've never really finished any of his books
have you
yeah I've read a few
quite a few probably about 70%
of them
yeah I love them
Kafka on the Shore is probably my favourite
Wind Up Bird Chronicle
that's probably one of you
which one out of the two would you say to do is probably my favorite, Wind Up Bird Chronicle. That's probably one to 84.
Which one out of the two would you say to do?
Wind Up Bird or
Kafka on the Shore?
Chronologically,
Wind Up Bird Chronicle
came first and was the one
that made him famous outside of
Japan, but Kafka on the Shore is arguably came first and was the one that made him famous outside of Japan.
But Kafka on the Shore is arguably...
If you're going to read both, read Wind Up Bird Chronicle first.
But if you only were going to read one for the rest of your life,
read Kafka on the Shore.
Actually, it's a really, really good audio book, both of them,
but especially Kafka on the Shore is an absolutely brilliant audio book.
But did he do what called Sputnik or something as well?
Yes, Sputnik Sweetheart.
Yeah, have you read that?
I have read that one, yeah.
What did you think of that?
I thought it was really good. It was, it was like,
if wind up burden,
Kafka on the shore are like 10 out of 10.
That one's like a nine out of 10 or an eight out of 10.
It's still brilliant. It's not quite the top tier, but it's up there.
Yeah. Do you still,
do you still get a time to do reading or do you know but I don't I spend most of my time listening to podcasts really in my spare time I
did actually buy Murakami's new book a month ago and after a few pages are the
translator makes a big difference so I had the time to read it but i didn't carry on reading it
because uh that translator guy there's he's got about four translators one of them's brilliant
j rubin i think his name is or j something and then one of them is very good and then two of them are
poor and it seems to have been translated by one of the poor ones it makes a massive difference
have been translated by one of the poor ones it makes a massive difference like uh
go on yeah no that was it yeah what is new book called
I'm not actually sure. I'll search Google.
i'm not actually sure i'll search google
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't know you let Murakami.
Yeah.
I tried to get into it for years, but I've not quite cracked it.
The City and Its Uncertain Walls.
Is that what it's called?
Did it come out like this year
that's the new one
did it come out this year
it said 2023
what I just saw now
but I don't know if that was the Japanese one
or the translation
it may have come out a few years before in Japan
alright
but you said you put that down because of the translator It may have come out a few years before in Japan. Right.
But you said you put that down because of the translator.
Yeah, I got the feeling straight away.
I'll persevere with it.
But, yeah, it makes a massive difference.
I don't really know why he doesn't just keep the same guy.
I think the guy is best translated as someone he knew at university,
this American guy.
So maybe he's just,
it's maybe a really hard process.
Perhaps it's not a given that it can just be done.
Maybe it takes years to translate it.
So the other guy was busy.
I don't know.
To be ridiculously disciplined,
Murakami.
Yeah, he wrote that book about running things to think about what was it things to do think about when i'm running he's he did an ultra marathon at some
point yeah and he gets up at four o'clock or something yeah allegedly he'd go for a run and
then when he'd get back he'd do
his writing and it'd be done by lunchtime and but he said he had to
sacrifice ever going out at night or going to dinner parties or anything
because he'd always be in bed by like 9 p.m. or something yeah but then he's
not all he does his work in the morning then he's got a whole... He does his work in the morning, then he's got a whole day.
Yeah, it's a lot of discipline.
I almost think it'd be boring.
Again, like being at the beach,
just writing every day, even if you could at it.
You get bored?
I don't know.
Yeah, but that's a good philosophical question, though, isn't it?
Are we saying that we could...
human beings can just get bored of anything?
Yeah, a variety is the spice of life and all.
Yeah, but is that,
are we coming to the conclusion that this is actually true?
Yeah, I guess it works for him.
He's made great art with it.
I don't works for him. He's made great art with it. I don't know.
I personally would be bored
by that. I've tried to write
before and
I don't know.
It's
not that
I don't know. It's not an easy
process to do it.
To just sit down.
You have to give yourself over to it really
because i i do it with my um i speak into my phone and when i've done it before and
um it takes a lot of discipline because i used to be of that mind that creative person that,
oh, I'll do it when inspiration hits.
What I then discovered was like, well, if you want to do something like that,
you have to set the time aside in your day to where you're already thinking about that project
or that subject
and whether you do anything or not as long as you're thinking about it researching it or whatever
and that seemed to work for me you know
just allocating the time for it and doing something around it regardless of what it may be
yeah that's when the discipline comes in yeah because i used to be that of that thought like
oh just do it as and when it inspiration hits you know be spontaneous like that but that way you don't get anything done
years passed and you just like what the hell what the hell i've done yeah yeah well murakami and
stephen king and other writers have said that is they you more or less have to force yourself to
sit down at certain time not because inspiration will hit you yet you less have to force yourself to sit down at a certain time, not because inspiration will hit you,
yet you almost have to force yourself to be there
so that just the amount of time you put in over time,
you're going to get something out when the timing's right.
But if you wait for inspiration, it's probably not going to come.
Yeah, it's like waiting for a bus, isn't it?
Yeah, comparing that to writing music,
if I write music and I smoke weed and then I sit down and write music,
I could probably write the core of three or four songs in a day fairly easily
without having to be disciplined, just trying
to write something. I'm not saying it's finished right there and then, but the core concept of
something I find is really easy. If anything with music, the problem is having too many ideas,
that it's different to writing something on a computer. When I try and write something on a computer when i try and write something on a computer nothing almost
nothing comes out when it's like writing a book so maybe there's something more easy about something
physical because because music is a physical playing of something whereas writing something
it's physical but it's more how can I say it's like the quality of the writing
isn't changed by if you're dancing up and down on the spot, because you still
have to put all the picture on the pen or type on the keyboard.
But with music, it's like, you can almost force it out by almost like by trial
and error.
So it's, it's easier.
I'm saying music is a lot easier.
And then talking about your music,
writing music and writing lyrics,
do you think they come from a real personal place in your music
or do you think you write about the world?
Or do you think is it a bit of both or what is it, do you reckon?
That's a good question it must be coming from me on some level but when I think of some of the things I've written uh I guess it is about me but it's not I'm not really sure how to
answer it it must be uh it must be uh coming from it must be about me because it's coming from me
but uh most of it is from trial and error and like oh that sounded quite nice how can i squeeze that into a finished song and then
by practicing it again and again it takes a different form and then it sort of becomes the
final thing with a bit of trial and error but i didn't sit down and try and express something
deep from inside me it sort of almost formed itself from the trial and
error yeah but here's something interesting then i know you better know your practices
and i'm just thinking from what i remember that's how you used to cook
so so the way so the way you were describing Writing the song is the way I would describe your cooking
Interesting. Could you elaborate a bit more? How did I used to cook?
I would say
Why I decided for what I've seen is that
you have a rough idea of what goes with what but then you just
Then you just do trial and error and then just experiment and then
event you you refine every fine and then
Eventually you come over the dish. I mean your prices might have changed now, but that's how you I used to experience
You doing cooking That's i might be wrong but yeah thanks for that i can't
i guess it must be true it sounds true i i'm also thinking when when i cook was it at university or
yeah yeah i know i never saw you like going up going through a recipe
on the internet
or through a book
you know
I want to have
these things
how can I make these things
blend together
interesting
well thanks for saying that
I think that is the best analogy for how i make music
that i've heard it's just the way the way the way you described it
yeah i was like hang on that seems very eerily similar to how you i remember you cooking.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to this day, do you ever use recipe books?
No, really.
Sometimes with desserts, I've used a recipe,
but when I cook, generally, I don't follow a recipe.
I just, like you said, I'd never really thought of it like that before though no but when you were describing it to me it just took me
back to when you were cooking and I was like that's how he even when you talk
about cooking used to describe it to me as that yeah well the three key words that I've included
in the space I don't know if you can see
them on your screen you get to choose
three only I chose dogs
cooking and pets
alright I literally didn't
even see that
I've been
so that I've been an hour.
So that leaves the only third one.
Do you think you've actually had any pets in your food?
I have tried a horse before.
So are horses pets?
I've never eaten dog that I know of i've never even eaten cat that i
know of chickens are they i don't know maybe no i'm talking about that horse is a good one
but you you had a horse like knowingly not like in this country it was once came about that they were using horse meat in one of the
ready meals.
Oh, that was a few years ago, wasn't it?
Yeah.
So you've knowingly at a horse.
So I know when I was in France once I went with my mom, I mean,
I'm talking when I was 11 or 12
I had a horse burger
so I've definitely eaten a horse
but I'm not in recent time
that I can think of
it was
yeah
it was
my memory is not good enough to know
it didn't taste particularly
unique if it would have been horrible my memory's not good enough to know it it didn't taste particularly unique
no but if it would have been horrible
I think I would have stayed with you right
yeah
yeah for sure I didn't puke or anything
it was just like slightly richer
yeah they say that
I think I've heard that human meat is like chicken.
That's a bit gross, but I heard that before.
I don't know.
I guess it's because, maybe it's because it's white meat,
but I've never knowingly eaten a human having said that.
No, let's hope you don't have to.
let's hope you don't have to yeah if i ever get stranded on like uh
uh like the antarctic or something if i'm on a plane and it crashes
like in that movie then was it alive alive yeah yeah i guess you'd have to at that point
that'd be crazy. Eat West first.
Yeah, there'd be a lot of them to eat, wouldn't they?
That's what I'm thinking, yeah.
You've got to go for the fattest person.
That'd be probably next because I couldn't move out of the way.
I'd rather die, Shabazz.
Yeah, all right.
Whatever.
So, how do you, like, going back to your music,
how do you come up with titles?
Come up with what, sorry?
Titles for your songs?
Does it just reveal itself to you?
Yeah, kind of that one.
Tales from Tokyo was... I wanted something that would intrigue
the Olympic Committee,
so I called it Tales from Tokyo and then when I was
like getting closer to the Olympics it turned out that the Olympic what's it called the Olympic flame
the they were using the slogan hope lights our way so I thought okay I'll change the title from
Tales from Tokyo to hope lights our way so that it would be more marketable.
So in that sense, I was thinking from the point of view of the people who might listen to the song.
Other songs, outside a world is one.
One is called Sugar.
Another one is called, I can't remember
it's been a while
I've got about 20 or so
I can't
even remember what some of them are called
I've got a list of albums
I'm putting you in the spot
I suppose
do you think you've got albums
worth
yeah probably like two albums maybe three albums worth yeah probably like two albums
maybe three albums worth
I don't know
sorry sorry
sorry do you think you'll ever
record them or do you think you'll just play them live
they're definitely designed for live performance
but I've recorded a few of them
already uh i've oh one of them is called abcd abcd that was the first thing i made that was like
getting on 2017 now or 2018. i was quite happy with that i should probably show it but
i haven't been promoting it because i wanted to
i wanted to basically start performing live first before i released anything
and like i said i was more or less delayed for four years because of the covid scandemic so
i'm way i'm behind schedule but then again lots of people are because of what's happened the last few years.
I've got things written in Japanese.
Got one song in Japanese.
I've got one or two songs in Thai.
I think I started writing a song in Chinese as well.
But I can't even remember.
Yeah.
You started writing a song in Chinese? Yeah, I think so.
I'm trying to think right now.
Let me think.
Sorry, I don't keep meaning to put you on the spot.
But you just keep saying interesting things,
and I always want to find out more.
Yeah, on second thought,
I think maybe I thought about writing a song in Chinese and didn't finish something.
I've definitely written one in Japanese.
Chukokadawa Niko Arimasuka was the name of it.
Was that hard?
Say again?
Was that hard?
What do you mean hard?
Can you speak Japanese?
No, not fluently.
Only a few words like that one.
That was
means something like
something like it means something like what about how cats feel
last year i can't quite remember but uh yeah because because i just thought that you know
in order to write a language you have to be able to speak it to do it properly, but that's why I wondered whether you could speak Japanese.
I mean, if you just want to sort of work it backwards, you could write a Japanese song just with one sentence.
As long as the music in it is okay and it keeps you listening for two minutes you more or less only need a one sentence
i mean it doesn't like penny lane every sentence makes sense you can just like
what's it don't look back in anger the chorus of it you know if you just sang the chorus of
don't look back in anger in a different language technically that's a song in another language and it's singable you just but you need words that sound nice so chukoko dewa
i thought it just if i thought i could sing it along with a rhythm and therefore i could be a
multi-lingual writer so it was more from a marketing point of view of
anything plus playing in japan it'd be cool to have something but actually the japanese don't
like it if westerners speak japanese weirdly they tend to prefer their musicians to only sing in
english so it's not necessarily a flex to have a song in Japanese alright
I know we've only got a couple of minutes left
but I just thought something
there's a theme that you
keep coming back to
and what do you think that theme is
over these last five episodes
there's one theme that's
come out in every episode
what do you think that is
oh you've got me intrigued now uh i'm not sure i'll throw it back to you
i'm a i do a lot of podcasting a lot of broadcasting and stuff so i'm always
listening out for stuff but do you want to guess? Or should I just tell you?
Or should I keep the intrigue going?
Well, I've talked about music a little bit, but...
I'll give you a few seconds to guess.
I don't think you'll get it,
but once I say,
you'll be like, yes, of course.
Okay, go on, tell me marketing ah okay because every episode
one way or another we've talked about marketing yourself and like doing it for like for various different
reasons and stuff like that
but marketing seems
to be a real
strong motivator for you
very interesting
something that
like
you know
gets you excited.
Marketing is a way of connecting
with people, I suppose.
Yeah, it's how other people
receive it.
I just wanted to bring that up yeah that's awesome i just think that's fascinating
yeah okay well that's i'll keep thinking of that i wouldn't have thought of that myself
if you hadn't mentioned it so yeah i'm always thinking That's the beauty of conversation though, isn't it? Absolutely.
You've come up with stuff that I haven't thought about.
Like, I'm going to go off now and look at stuff to do in Nepal
because I didn't know anything about it.
Yeah, this massive building.
Like, it wasn't just a small building.
It was massive.
It was all on fire.
It looked like the whole parliament building was burnt down like so the fact i think the key
takeaway is the fact that it's not being talked about that's more of a sign than if they are
talking about it yeah and you know and it's just as well that people around the world are talking to each other.
Word spreads by voice and human communication.
Yeah, more so now than ever.
Yeah, but you know, again, this is a bigger topic.
But you know, the irony is that because we can, nobody does.
You know?
You know, because now it's so easy.
Less people communicate with each other, more less because it's too easy.
Okay, I'm going to fight back on that one and say that was until Spaces and WebRTC took off.
Until then, I agree.
It was too easy to message people if you knew them at school.
But actually, in the spoken voice era from Twitter spaces, certainly in the last few years,
I've hosted spaces and stuff, is now I feel that there's more direct communication than ever before.
Not ever before, but than in recent years. so I'll say that it turned around in
about 21 22 and the last couple of years especially it's not quite as bad as it
was in the previous ten years yeah I know I would say from my own perspective
it's just as well because it's really enables disabled people to communicate.
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
It's great for that.
So, you know what I mean?
So it has several upsides, you know, to it.
And I just felt that because of what happens to people just think, oh, I know it's free for me to contact them but i won't bother
today i'll do it tomorrow you know i mean and then people go on about being lonely and stuff
but just people just don't reach out to people because they just know they can but that means
that they don't because they know they can do whatever they want but the longer they leave it
the more distant they become plus writing a message to someone is quite impersonal
and it requires a computer i suppose you could say this requires a phone but at the same time
you're once you're talking to someone directly like this you don't have there's no extra
effort required you don't have to sit down and read it and then type anything or it's just it's
happened and then it's done yeah so yeah it should be a golden era for communication yeah
yeah let's be at the forefront of it sorry i missed that has that yeah let's be at the
forefront of it get at the forefront yeah for sure all right and on that positive note
oh sorry one more thing i've got to squeeze this in uh i've got i think seven six or seven slots in the 222 hour
space coming up uh i'm hosting about well let me think it's it could be a bit early for you it's
gonna be let me just calculate uh 12 8 7 8 9 10 it's gonna be 6 to 7 a.m. start and then I'm hosting all the way through till about what 10 to 11 a.m.
It's going to be for one week every day pretty much so obviously you're welcome to join and we could host a special space there or figure something out.
So that's starting September the 19th.
19th, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll figure something out. If not, I'll just pop in and out. Yeahth, okay. Yeah. Yeah, we'll figure something out.
If not, I'll just pop in and out.
Yeah, for sure.
Is it from the 19th that it's starting?
Sorry, what was that?
Did you say it's starting from the 19th?
I think that's when the 222-hour space starts.
I'm not hosting that moment.
I think I start on maybe the 20th or the 21st.
I'll have to check the schedule, but it's about 6am start for you.
And then I do four hours every day.
All right.
Okay.
Cool.
Okay.
Well, thanks for tuning in in dreams and we'll be back next week so how do we end the show
gentlemen goodbye everyone
