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errgentlemen Wesley Dogman Thomas
Recorded: Sept. 3, 2025 Duration: 0:58:10Space Recording
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Thank you. Thank you. you
hey gentleman Shabazz Mohammed how are you doing I'm doing great my friend how are you how's
Manchester it's good rainy I was gonna say how sunny Manchester I should have known. It's literally raining.
How are you?
Yeah, good.
It's not raining here, I've got to say.
It's quite hot.
How's life?
Just post that.
Yeah, going well, thanks.
I'm doing a visa run at the moment. I think you may know.
So I've been here like three nights or so.
And yeah, it's going well so far.
Do you like Vietnam?
Yeah, sorry, I missed that.
Do you like Vietnam?
Yeah, it's
different to Thailand. It's
similar
in some ways, but
there's some differences. They eat bread
here. They don't eat rice. They live off bread bread which is a bit weird but more like the UK but
yeah it's nice it's hot I'm near the beach so that's good different to Bangkok
but yeah it's a means to an end really to get a visa but yeah I'm quite happy
I've enjoyed it so far I How long are you there for?
I'm not sure.
Maybe a week or two,
I guess.
All right.
Do you know anybody out there?
Funny you should say that.
I actually do.
Weirdly.
I just checked my Instagram and someone I know in Bangkok is two streets away.
Cassius Morris.
Literally, I could walk to where he is now.
I just messaged him, but I didn't realize he was so close.
I introduced him to the Muay Thai gym that I promote in Bangkok.
I introduced him to them a few months ago,
and he just happens to be in Vietnam at the same time.
So, yeah, I actually do know someone,
but only as a function of coincidence, really.
Yeah, but, you know, you should catch up with them, man.
Yeah, I just sent him a message.
Actually, it's not coincidence thinking about it
because he told me he was here
and I didn't have anywhere else better to go,
so I just thought, fuck it, I'll go there.
He was the driving force
what are you thinking yeah
so he he kind of uh helped you along there
is that you particularly want to get off your chest today
yeah always i've got loads of things I want to get off my chest but
what just struck me right now was I just put on the BBC News 24 and there's
there's literally a genocide going on in Gaza I say that's not because I'm happy but because it's leading on the BBC with some
story about a woman from Huddersfield who's a politician who's bought a house
and basically it's questionable if it was morally right the way she bought a
house and the deputy prime minister that's it yeah that's her i didn't know she was
the deputy prime minister to be fair but yeah she just looked like a manchurian candidate
her eyes were nothing in her room it's like even if she had stolen a like even if she had stolen
a thousand houses i can probably argue that that that should be about 50 pages down,
so to speak, in the media if there's a genocide going on.
So I thought I'd mention that.
Yeah, complete mind-control bullshit on the BBC.
She was saying that she's got a disabled son or something,
and so the house is to help him it's not even a story but it's
deliberately done to make people not look at what's really going on yeah
but it's bizarre how people fall for it though yeah well it's hard not to yeah
yeah I guess so it's the BBC is seen as a voice of authority, so you don't question it.
You just think that it's...
Doing this job.
Yeah, basically.
But it's just scripted.
Like we said a few weeks ago, it's like wrestling.
They're thinking, okay, well, there'll be a genocide going on in September,
so let's stick a story out there about a woman who's, you know, bought a house immorally.
Like, make her the Deputy Prime Minister for that reason.
Yeah.
Talking of wrestling,
you were saying last time we didn't really get to discuss the Unreal.
Do you want to discuss that?
Yes.
Because in the time in between our last show, want to discuss that? Yes. In the
time in between our last show,
I've watched
I know you've probably
only watched the first one, but I've watched
all of it now.
And, yeah,
I just wondered what your thoughts were
about the first episode.
Yeah, it was it
was good I what was I gonna say cuz I said in the first week that that idea
may have come from me have had just a message Gabe about it but I noticed in his bio gabe you may not know who gabe is gabe sapolsky was the uh
uh he worked with paul hayman in ecw and he was the first person to film backstage so this would
be 1997 he filmed scott hall razor ramon backstageon backstage with a camcorder
back then and so when I
after I submitted
the proposal to change wrestling
about Logan Paul
in 2019 now
and I talked to him in
2022 I said to him at the
time you know wrestling needs to go
backstage more and so that's
that was my thinking
that maybe it was his idea so i haven't had a chance to follow it up with him but i watched it
and it felt like it might have had his fingerprints on it but i i couldn't see his name in the credit
though although it's they probably wouldn't put his name in the credit having said that because
that's not how it would have worked he would have told Triple H the idea and if if I'm right in my
thinking about it I will actually follow up with him I just had a busy couple of
weeks but I thought it was good it wasn't that much backstage it was more it was
more like a documentary about WWE with sort of semi-scripted elements,
but that's the way they should do it,
like blur the area between what's real and what's not real.
And so I really enjoyed it.
Yeah, I watched the first episode.
I watched 10 minutes of the second but didn't have a chance to watch any more,
but I thought it was really good.
Sorry, carry on.
No, you go ahead.
Yeah, because I didn't know much about the gorilla position.
That's right.
That's the TV camera just behind the curtain, right,
where Gorilla Monsoon used to sit.
Vince McMahon used to sit there as well,, sort of shouting out orders and stuff.
And the wrestlers would come out from the curtain there.
And we're not talking about a sexual position here.
We're talking about a wrestling term.
It wasn't the doggy position.
It was the, named after Gorillailla Monsoon the famous wrestler and commentator
yeah
yeah
but off the back of it I've been watching
some more
wrestling now because
I just dip in and
out of it and I was watching it the other day and they said
like they've been in Europe recently and they went to Birmingham of all places and now I
can't remember for the life of me who said it, but one of the wrestlers did a skit where they said,
like, the only thing good to come out of Birmingham
died a couple of weeks ago.
That's it, yeah.
Becky Lynch was the one who said it.
was the one who said it.
She said it about Ozzy Osbourne, right?
And I saw another skit
about them,
forget it,
the New Day talking about
how Birmingham's things
are pissed
and this is shit out
and all this.
I mean, it's meant to be entertainment, not telling the truth.
Yeah, did I ever tell you when I started working at Satan's Hollow in Manchester
that on the first day I ever worked there,
Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath walked past me, literally?
Really?
Yeah, did I ever tell you that no yeah I guess
I guess yeah I would I didn't mention it but it was on a Saturday I was working at Fab Cafe
initially I moved I'd left what was it called bar excess and then i started working at fab cafe and then they basically
said i could switch to satan's hollow and i started work on a saturday afternoon they had this like
rock show that was a one-off on a saturday like i don't know at 12 lunchtime whatever it was like
a daytime rock show and yeah uh this bloke walked past me so excuse me because i was in the cloak
room there on the haunted cloak room,
which is another story.
And yes,
I did have a weird experience in there,
but,
the guy sort of said,
excuse me,
can I just come past?
And someone was like,
you know who that was?
I was like,
Tony I owe me from black Sabbath.
And he had like weird fingers and apparently cut them off in some sort of,
uh, he worked in a factory when he was
younger and apparently sort of cut his fingers off or something and they got sewed back on so
i knew it was him because i you know i remember his fingers were a bit weird
did you shake his hand no i didn't realize who it was at the time um
No, I didn't realize who it was at the time
Pastor would you should
Yeah, I think I spat at him because different back but
No, I didn't really so yeah, it's weird that it happened on the first day. I always think of things like that it's strange that
Things like that happen like it would have been one thing if it happened at some point,
but on the first day, like, a rock star walks past you
and then never again.
Quite weird in that sense.
Do you ever watch wrestling now?
It depends what you mean by watch.
I watch clips of it, and I'll watch the odd match,
but I don't sit down and watch the full shows.
I'll watch the social media clips, the Logan Paul stuff.
I need to keep my finger on the pulse of that.
And I'll watch matches he's in.
Do you think he's good?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, God, yeah.
Yep.
It's made wrestling mainstream again so
i mean i don't did i even because i mentioned the wwe unreal i don't think i even mentioned about the proposal to change wrestling i should bring robin one day and tell him he probably
won't believe it but yeah i'm pretty sure it, I'm pretty sure it was written on my computer in Bangkok that led to him being signed.
I'll forward you the emails from it, but I think it was Nick Khan.
When he took over from Vince, that's when he brought Logan Paul in with Prime. And it was almost exactly that proposal I pitched to Dave Meltzer basically in 2019.
I said, to make wrestling mainstream, you have to bring influencer marketing in and just sign the top star of social media and make him the champion.
That was my pitch and because the pandemic happened right
when i pitched it i could basically keep following up every like six months i probably emailed them
like seven or eight no it wasn't that much it was probably about five or six times and i kept saying
you've got to sign logan paul you've just it was such a weird idea because normally wrestlers
are just wrestlers they They're not influencers.
And so when Logan Paul did his show last week, I think,
he wrestled John Cedar in Paris.
He said it.
Did you see it?
Yeah, I watched it.
Yeah, what did you think?
Good.
Yeah.
They're definitely going gonna make him jump in
Yeah, he's gonna be the face of the
Company I'd guess for the next five years or so unless something happens. He could get injured. That's always possible
But yeah wrestling has gone
For in three years wrestling has gone from being the lowest it's ever been to being I
Won't say the highest it's ever been but it's I mean it may be because of
Netflix and stuff they've signed he said that he's worth four to five billion
dollars what he brought to WWE is that just a bit or is that actually true do you reckon well they
signed the deal with Netflix and ESPN so the money is real but I think all those
media companies I should be careful this is recorded but all those media
companies are owned by the same groups so if I think so so if they like if i don't know if you sign a deal with espn
and it's worth 4.6 billion technically i think it's like
how can i explain it it's not necessarily new money it's like you're funneling money around in a sense.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
Just shuffling it from one place to another kind of thing.
Exactly.
And they did it for the headline.
And then they can put wrestling on Netflix and stuff
because he's a star of social media.
So everything's driven by impressions, engagement, and all that. So if you've got the top star of social media so everything's driven by impressions
engagement and all that so if you've got the top star of social media then you
basically dominating social media whether he's a good wrestler or not and
that was the whole psychology I came up with when I wrote that proposal I was
kind of I was very surprised when they actually did it I must say I should think it was largely because of COVID because there was nothing else to do and when
they brought him in I should think that the social media numbers exploded Prime took off which wasn't
my idea that was their idea but uh because they promoted that drink in the shows as the spot that drove genuine business to the drink.
So I think WWE probably secretly own a share of that prime drink,
but haven't acknowledged it on camera.
So I think that's probably the key is the less about the social media numbers
and more about the actual real income from the prime drink that's behind it
all.
Yeah. actual real income from the prime drink that's behind it all yeah but now now everything's become product placement you know it's like it hollows it out a little bit doesn't it
yeah it is it is product placement but they own the product so that's the
they own the product.
So that's the genius thing that they did,
I guess,
is like,
it's one thing to take money to put someone else's product on your show.
That's smart.
If you want to make money,
but if you actually own the product yourself,
it's a no brainer.
It's surprising that no one came up with it before.
Really?
I guess they had,
but yeah, it's always like, yeah,
it's almost like we've become the product.
how do you mean?
Like we were to get people,
but all they're doing to us all the time is selling something,
you know,
and they want,
they don't already just want us to watch the shows
and have their day but they want was to that by internal ecosystem around it as
well yeah it's if the goal is to make money I I suppose it's smart. If we had a product now, we could sell.
We could, you know, you could do that as well.
But you then need the audience to want to lie.
And WWE obviously have that.
So it's like they're selling and promoting a product they own on a network that basically they're they don't own the network but they're kind of they
own the show that's on the network that's seen all around the world so it's uh i'm surprised
no no please go ahead here's a question for you well no question a point of discussion, is do you think from your experience
that you've got vast knowledge and experience of wrestling,
do you think the actual wrestling has gone up or down in quality
since they've done it, since they've kind of ultra sold out?
Do you mean the actual physical
wrestling or the actual TV show yeah the nuts and bolts of the actual wrestling
it's a lot more technical and let's say real today but i think lots more people get injured and in the past
was they would tell more of a story with just punches and kicks and sleeper holds so in the
past they could pretty much cause riots in the uh in the buildings you know people would run
into the ring with knives and stuff to get out of the ring because it was so believable.
So I think it's less pure today.
It's more technical and more likely to get injured.
But I don't know.
You could make an argument that because of social media,
more people see it today.
You know, it's less hardcore fans and more casual fans.
But then again, until three years ago, ago fewer people watching it than ever before so it's a big change that happened just because of Logan Paul but I'd say
in the past it was better yeah I would say that oh well I've looked at it now, a lot of the big fat people, the huge people, they seem very athletic.
Yeah, like cookie cutter. They kind of all look the same.
Yeah, but they're quite athletic. That's what struck me quite a lot.
And they're pushing the women's element more as well now.
Well, now that is a crossover because the second plan that I'm pushing
is the proposal to make female Muay Thai the top sport in the world.
And I've been chipping away at that for the last couple of years.
And that's essentially the sister program to the Logan Paul plan.
And I'm going to go to meet the tourism minister of sports and,
let me say that again,
I'm going to meet the tourism and sports minister in the next,
well, when I get back, I don't know when that will be, but after I get back,
within a week or two, and I'm going to pitch them to do a stadium show
at the Bangkok Stadium in December focused on female Muay Thai.
So, yeah, as far as females in wrestling goes, yeah,
that's a lot bigger as well.
Ronda Rousey obviously was a big part of that.
Yeah, but she fell flat out on her face, didn't she?
In wrestling?
No, in the UFC.
I don't know quite what happened with her in wrestling,
but she didn't do that well in wrestling, did she?
Or is she still there?
I think she's left now
she's basically a full-time mom I mean that she was the biggest female fight
saw there's ever been they started the UFC female division just because of her
before she was in UFC Dana White said well like we'll never do a
women's MMA division that was his rule and Ronda Rousey was on like a ten fight
win streak in Strikeforce and she was absolutely destroying people she was
beating everyone within a minute or two and then in usc she came in she basically
beat everyone in a minute or two as well until she lost and then when she lost she lost the
second fight as well so she basically won every fight in the first round more or less
until she lost and then she retired from ufc soon after then she went to wwe uh
soon after then she went to WWE where she did well actually yeah she was really
good but it was like she was the Vince McMahon version of Ronda Rousey which
was different when she was at her best going back to your more tight thing can
I just give you a bit of advice please do i just wanted to stay because i i want to look out for
you care for you and stuff and but when you when you're doing this project make sure you don't like
sell yourself short like make sure you get like some kind of payment or whatever you know
get like some kind of payment or whatever you know like these people corporations and that big
make big money and the people that give the ideas actually don't get anything so
if muay thai does become big in town and make sure you get the only way i can
big and done and make sure you get the only way I can phrase it is make sure you get a piece of
the action I appreciate that thanks for saying that yeah I've got basically I've got uh well
I'll say I've got three things that I want to get out of it one of them is I've not talked much about this publicly, but when I set the goal of being a musician in 2017,
my original goal, and still is my goal, is to debut in a stadium.
And it was meant to be in 2020 at the Olympics in Tokyo.
And then COVID happened.
Not that it was guaranteed.
But what I want to get out of the muay thai show is basically leverage a spot
to play a song at the show if i help set it up so that's the first thing the second thing is
because i'm helping to promote supergirl who i don't know if you have seen her or anything but
she's the female star of muay thai in 1fc and i plan to basically promote my music through her social media
so that will be starting in january basically so if i don't play in a stadium by december 31st this
year i'm just going to start playing live music anywhere because it's basically like if i if i keep trying to achieve that it's not very easy
to debut in a stadium for different reasons but if i can uh if i don't achieve it by december
this year i'm gonna start just performing live in bangkok and then use it through supergirl as well
but the third thing is i want to get a job with 1FC
to help them promote 1FC.
So that's what I'm going to go for.
So, yeah, I appreciate you saying that
because it is easy to take an advantage of.
So, yeah, it's a good thing.
People are desperate for ideas,
but they are desperate to give people a share of the pie.
Absolutely, yeah.
Even if they don't want to give you straight payment, all you have to say is give me a share of the merchandise or some sort of deal like that, you know?
Yeah, in Thailand they probably wouldn't there's there's a weird
thing in this country although i'm not in thailand as i say it but they don't like to give credit to
people who are i'll say it bluntly they don't like to give credit to westerners or non-Thai people, say it like that.
So if it was different, this is not always the case, but as a rule of thumb,
if someone powerful in Thailand could be successful on a really high level
and give credit to a Westerner for coming up with the idea,
enough for coming up with the idea most of them would rather fail and fail badly to avoid
being successful but someone else getting the credit so that might be a bit head-scratching
like surely you'd rather be but a lot of people over in thailand would rather a project failed
as long as they were seen as the person who was behind it which is
counterintuitive so trying to sort of get uh credit up front for something it's almost a
guaranteed way for it never to even be considered so it's a bit of a cultural nuance there there's
not many places like it but that that's interesting, because always,
that's why I like having conversations with people,
because that's very interesting.
But the point is that, from what you're saying,
do you reckon, because you've been there quite a long time now,
do you reckon your mindset has gone like that as well?
No, I don't think so i think i'm still i'm still pretty much the same i still like to get places early and i still like
the only thing i've changed is my sense of humor is i'm less sarcastic because that doesn't get you very far over here they don't like sarcasm but uh
because that's interesting because you say it's changed but i still think of you as that person
you know so everything you say to me almost is like in my head is tend to be sarcasm, but it's interesting that in your day to day
life and over the years you've kind of made, you've kind of toned that down.
But my, my idea of you is still that sarcastic, a humorfilled person, you know what I mean?
I'm still full of humor, and I've still got the sarcasm in me.
No, I'm not that you have it.
I'm just saying that it's interesting, like,
as the years pass and you don't see those people as much,
but you still hold on to the old ideas of what they were like or who they are, you know?
Yeah, I guess we keep the same, I'm still the same spiritual entity that's inhabiting this big one, I guess.
I'm still the same spiritual entity that's inhabiting this big one.
Yes.
Yeah.
But,
but it is interesting though,
isn't it?
Like how we,
how,
how a narrative gets made.
Then we just stick to it rigidly.
Like we put each other in the box and go,
he's like this or she's like this,
you know,
I'm just saying it. it's making me think of like
interesting things really i'm saying that's all i'm saying
and the only thing i just thought when you were describing what it was like in thailand
i was kind of thinking well maybe I shouldn't say this publicly but
an idea that came into my head it's like you need you need a front man who can be
a Thai man who are type well you've got a Thai woman but you need a like a Thai frontman that can be the face of Gareth Finch in Thailand.
So they think they're doing business with him, but really they're doing business with you.
Now that's an interesting idea.
And so let me just guess what might happen there obviously it depends who the person is
obviously the types but if you did that and you tried to hide behind not hide but
sort of get a local person to basically do pitch the ideas and then they would get the credit or
they would get the money i think what would happen is when the time came for them to put you over
or put me over in this, they then wouldn't.
Because then they would lose face as if it wasn't really when you came up with it.
So they would then take the money and then still not give the credit to you.
Is what I think would happen, weirdly.
No, yeah, it's just an interesting,
you know, you just got me thinking and it was an interesting thought, I thought.
I just thought to myself, maybe, you know,
like in the Middle East,
they have like almost they have surrogates.
If you want to have a business,
it has to be made through
an Arab person.
Yeah.
So let's say that I set a business up
here and it became worth
a million dollars.
The chance of you being assassinated
on the street has now gone up by about
50x.
It's a ridiculous place for things like that believe me so yeah yeah yes that it's ruthless because
when how can i say there's like a few people that basically run the whole country.
So if something stands out and starts to be really successful and you not existing leads to them now having full control, it's dangerous, basically.
There isn't an easy way to legally own part of a business here without there being a risk
to you so i decided years ago that i'd never set a business up here and i'm talking like
16 and a half years ago i've been here 17 years when i decided on a business here so
that's still the same way that's one of the reasons i don't try and get money for my ideas for
when I promote people whether it's Supergirl or whoever because then
there's no risk to me basically so sorry I don't want to put you in any
difficult but I'm just having a conversation. It's all good.
Okay.
Because, you know,
I just pull the strands and I never know what door I'm opening,
you know, it's just like...
It's all...
I can't answer it.
So I'm happy to...
It's just, it's all educational for me, you know?
It's like learning about the world, you know?
No, my pitch will be to get a job with 1FC as the promoter of the female division
and do it in a way where the CEO of the company, who's called Chattery,
he'll get the credit for it.
So I'll get some of the credit secretly, essentially,
but he would be the one that would largely get the credit.
That's the only way to really get an idea off the ground here,
is to do it kind of like that.
Are they big in Thailand, that company?
Yeah, it's the UFC of Asia.
They were based in Singapore, and in the last couple of months they've announced they're moving to Bangkok with
their headquarters so that's one of the reasons I want to go to the tourism
minister for sports of tourism and sports soon because I should think that
the one thing they don't have is enough ambition so
for whatever reason they've never tried
to do a stadium show in Bangkok
so that's
going to be my pitch to try
and sell out Rajamangala Stadium this
December with the female
Moiton show with Supergirl as the star
Is it
hard to get
a meeting with the minister? surprisingly not although having said that i
haven't booked it yet but uh the tourism minister is like uh this is recorded so i should be careful
but let's just say it's the sort of position you shuffled in and shuffled out and they're probably not that experienced in
they're more like a figurehead for it so they're not going to have a natural idea themselves so
they almost need to be told what to do but to get the meeting i've got his the secretary's number
his secretary's number i should say and they also have an office building
so you can just go into the bricks and mortar place and basically ask for a meeting with the
person and then they palm you off on the secretary and all my time and effort will go into the
visual presentation of the pitch and that's what i did with the logan paul plan is i spent
basically weeks and weeks making it visually perfect so that the only thing they
could judge it on was the idea itself and the way it was presented so when I present it to them I'll
go in with basically a very sounds arrogant but a very well-designed visual plan that
will basically pitch the idea to them for that will basically help them understand it.
How big is that stadium?
It's 59,000, I think.
Oh, God.
Yeah, my pitch is dual shows.
One for Muay Thai, female Muay Thai. And then the second would be a music show
powered by stars of 1FC performing music live.
And the music show would be dirt cheap tickets.
It'd be like 100 baht, which is about $2.
And the Muay Thai show would be basically premium price.
So it'd be one week apart.
The first show would be, say, saturday the 12th of december and
the second show the music show would be a week after the fights when all the fighters can basically
come back and perform music and you know if you sell one show out you should be able to sell the
other one out especially if it's cheaper priced and then you've got a basically a once a year jewel stadium show that
will promote tourism because you've got the coolest time of the year in a country that's
got legalized marijuana and basically everyone loves thailand so it'd be like a thai new year
christmas tourism thing for tourists to come and view the show that's the idea all right because i thought i
thought you meant like the music would be with uh introducing the virus you know like they do in
germany sometimes where where they've got a big fight but they have a gig they have they have a gig. They have one or two songs before it.
I thought it meant like that.
But you're talking about two separate events, aren't you?
Yeah, two separate events.
You could do the music in a Muay Thai show as well,
but there's a big difference between selling the stadium out twice,
especially when you've got like vinyl.
Vinyl is like a very,
it's one of the best forms of merchandise there is for anything,
but in music especially.
So if the fighters put basically a single out on vinyl,
I think it would be like 1FC could venture it in the same way.
WWE is
selling sports drinks now 1fc could sell music out records so that's why I think
a separate show would basically make it more about music than just a token thing
as part of a sport show yeah interesting oh yeah did you go into something Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Oh yeah.
Then you going up to something completely different. This will make you laugh.
Didn't you have a mate who lived in Grimsby?
I was thinking of him earlier today. Yeah. TJ.
Yeah. I mentioned this because I shouldn't mention it,
but I will mention it because United were playing Grimsby in the Carabao Cup the other day,
and we lost on penalties.
12-11 to Grimsby Town.
Jesus.
Who are now in the fourth tier of English football.
who are now in the fourth tier of English football.
You know,
and I was thinking of you the other day when,
when the penalties were happening,
I was like,
Oh my God.
And I remembered your fucking lunatic mate.
You just got pepper and stuff.
Yeah.
He was.
He was one of the few people he didn't like.
Yeah, he was just awful.
Yeah, he was
pretty controversial,
to put it politely.
Is he still alive?
Unfortunately, I think he is, yeah.
I think he's dead.
I didn't mean it like that.
I just thought he'd be dead, you know?
No, last I heard, I think his father passed away.
But then again, that's lots of people's do when you get older, I guess.
But, well, everyone does at some point in theory.
But he was, last I saw he
was on a bit of a health kick but he normally was on a health kick and then he was not on a health
kick so it's been a couple of years he once said he was going to come to Thailand and uh he was
asking if he could stay at my place and the answer was no but I didn't tell him that I just
I just said possibly and hoped he wouldn't follow it up.
And fortunately, he didn't.
So TJ, if you listen.
Yeah.
Welcome to State Shabazz's in Hume.
He's celebrating his 20th anniversary.
But yeah, I know you
don't follow football and stuff
well I follow it
to some degree I mean I think I've said
to you before
that what's happening to Man United
in my opinion it's a psyop
it's a literal
planned psychological operation
and I actually think that football is now
scripted down to the point of like when goals are scored like i there's there's something about it
that comes across as fake to me and i think all the transfer fees, it's Saudi Arabia running money around.
And basically, they were given the Premier League in 2020 psychologically.
And the Man United thing, it's a psychological operation to destroy community bonds, I think, like Ameren.
And all of it, everything about it screams to me that they're trying to break the spirit of different communities.
In this case, it's Man United.
They did it with the Star Wars movies.
If you pick a fan base of something,
just any fan base of Star Trek or Star Wars,
Man United, things like this,
in the last 10 years, it's almost
military-esque in the way
it's happened. Even down to
the quotations that Ameren is coming
out with and stuff, and the way, like,
losing to Grimsby 12-11.
It just
doesn't come across as natural.
I do think it is scripted, to some
degree, so I don't know if you
agree. I do think it is scripted to some degree. I don't know if you agree.
I hope not.
Weirdly,
but Liverpool,
every time United do badly,
Liverpool are doing amazing.
Liverpool
have just bought Alexander
Isak for
£125 million
from Newcastle. They're under ISAC for $125 million from Newcastle.
It's just they're just running money.
Is Newcastle run by a Saudi Arabian team as well?
Is it?
They're just running money around.
He's not worth it.
We're in a cost of living crisis, and no one likes football at the moment.
All the former professionals say it's rubbish.
It doesn't make any sense that transfer fees are going up
unless it's
again
being done on
a psychological level.
a couple of weeks people bought that.
They bought a German guy
called Florian Wurz
for £110 million.
And they all
look shit. When you see them playing,
they look like...
I mean, they almost look like Sunday League
players by what I
think.
It's
fake. I think it will come out...
I'd much rather... You know what would make money
is if you did legends matches from man united's you know team of 05 or whatever or you know their
golden team i think that they played a game against uh let's say the man united legends
team from 20 years ago but not from i'm just talking about how they are today, 40, 50 year old men.
I think they'd stand a chance
of meeting the current
Man United team.
Yeah,
yeah,
but anybody
stands a chance
of meeting Man United
at the moment.
But,
I'll just give you
a snapshot,
right?
Have you seen a picture
of Wayne Rudy recently?
Yeah,
he looks like a,
sort of like a fat alcoholic.
And then, then have you seen a picture of Cristiano Ronaldo?
I know he's still playing, but he looks like 20 years younger
than fucking Wayne Rooney, and they're not the same age.
Yeah, well, Ronaldo's got the opposite, say, problem.
He's on performance enhancing drugs i'd guess
do you reckon yeah for sure his body went his body got more and more and more muscly
as time went on and it's not i would say it's some sort of testosterone a human growth hormone
is my guess but i'm not saying he's not disciplined. He obviously is. And that's the reason England probably didn't win a World Cup with Rooney.
He was basically disciplined.
And now we've got a German manager.
Sorry, who is?
England have got a German manager now.
Thomas Tuchel.
so there you go.
There's another psyop.
It's like,
what will destroy people more?
German,
especially an ugly looking one.
Like I,
it was planned that England would lose two world,
two European finals.
Well,
I think that's the level of it.
Because Gareth Southgate, he brought on three black players
to take penalties without giving them a touch in the final at Wembley.
It doesn't make sense.
Even when I was at primary school, it was that you if you're going to take a penalty
you have to have touched the ball a bit because it isn't easy taking a penalty you need to your
feet needs to sort of feel the ball a bit so it just like like if it was three white players that
were brought on fair enough maybe but it's like it just reeks of like even Southgate promoting the vaccine and getting
becoming a knighthood it just something is off about it like in the future we'll look back at
this and be like my god yeah I should have seen the signs but and now and now a girls off kids
begin to become a podcast as he I didn't see that. He hasn't come out yet, but he hasn't released the first episode,
but he's not taking a job in football.
He's going to do it, like broadcasting.
That'd be funny.
Yeah.
It just, like, he missed the penalty at Wembley in the Euro 96,
and then whatever, 25 25 30 years later England are
going to go to penalties again in in the final this time not the semi-final and he does a weird
thing with penalties with a minute to go like it doesn't it doesn't add up to me it's it could be
coincidence but it's to me it almost feels more likely that it was –
they're trying to build free-floating anxiety up in people in society
so that when they say it's time for war with China,
all that sort of pent-up frustration,
oh, fucking, I'll have a war.
People won't know that's where it comes from,
but I think that's what it is.
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe. from but I think that's what it is yeah maybe the Star Wars film number 7
number 8
was preposterously bad
and it was blamed
on Russian bots for why
the reviews were bad
it just doesn't add up
why would Russian bots try to fake reviews for a Star Wars
movie
it's just weird yeah doesn't add up, why would Russian bots try to fake reviews for a Star Wars movie?
It's just weird.
Yeah.
Everything's just got a bit weird,
hasn't it?
Yeah, it's like visibly,
almost perceptibly weird.
Like, when you think of it,
it just doesn't add up.
So for the last couple of minutes,
can you tell me some stuff about Vietnam?
Yeah, sure.
I had a nice,
I smiled at a girl earlier,
I said hello, she said hello back.
She was pretty attractive.
She walked off up the road.
You buy bread baguettes called banh mi's. It's like chicken, pate, cheese, bread. They sell
them on the street, like on the streets. They're basically $1 for like a French baguette with
pate and all the stuff in it. That's their staple food, which is pretty cool.
the stuff in it that's their staple food which is pretty cool uh what that's about it really
can't think what are you doing what are you doing for the rest of the day for example today
so i woke up this morning and i went in the sun it boiling hot today, so it was probably 36 degrees.
So I went in the sun for like about an hour when it was a bit cooler,
bought a coffee.
I wrote some plans.
I've got a bit of paper here.
I'm trying to design a software app for blockchain,
and I'm trying to get it on paper how it might work. So I did that on the beach, filled up a piece of A4 paper.
Then I went back to the room, slept a bit, had some food,
bought some Chinese noodles.
Then I went and ate a banana cake, went to the beach again.
That's when I said hello to the girl.
She was quite hot.
There was another girl on the beach with really big breasts.
She looked at me, but she was with a guy, so I carried on walking.
And, yeah, that's it, really.
Then obviously doing the space tonight, and i messaged cassius before see if i can meet him in the next couple of days
is there a lot of people about or is it quite sparse or what it's right in the tourist area
so there's like loads of there's loads of bars but almost none of them have people in it.
It's a bit weird.
It's like there's restaurant after restaurant after restaurant,
and one or two people sitting in it, maximum.
And I just can't think how they can make enough money,
although I don't know what the monthly rent is, having said that.
If the monthly rent is having said that it if the monthly rent is cheap it's different but i just can't imagine how they can make money given like there's quite a few tourists but there aren't that many
there's it's like the restaurants are fairly empty so it's a bit head scratchy yeah you don't you don't
you don't hear many people around the world going, ooh, let's go to Vietnam.
Yeah, I guess so.
Actually, it's, yeah, you're right.
It's not known, but they say that in the last couple of years,
tourism has taken off here because it's what Thailand used to be,
basically cheap and cheerful without being overpriced.
So, yeah, it's actually now one of the places to be.
So if you ever came out here,
it might be better to even go to Vietnam than Thailand, in a sense,
because it's the pavement.
Is Thailand more expensive now than it used to be?
Yeah, it's gone up the last two or three years.
But it's not really expensive.
But if you like western food
or something you might pay more for a western meal in bangkok now than you'd pay in the west
but the basics are still cheap i mean my rent hasn't gone up in 12 or 13 years and most of
the basics are the same but i don't want to live just on the basics like i need a pizza every so
often or a cheesecake or whatever cheesecake's gone up in my place so that's a measurement method
sorry i missed that do you ever make your own cheesecake yeah i've got the supergirl cheesecake
as i'm gonna pitch to them it's a new New York cheesecake with the lint balls, you know, the red chocolate lint balls.
You bake them in, and then they melt.
It's heaven.
Yeah, I've not made it for a while, though.
Are you taking the piss, or are you serious?
No, no, I'm serious.
Yeah, that's my own recipe.
I think it's called Miranda's New York Cheesecake,
but then I put the lid balls in it.
You, like, push them underneath the surface,
and then when you bake it, they basically melt into the cake.
And if you refrigerate it, it solidifies again.
So, yeah, that's my cheesecake.
I love baking it.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, yeah, I'll send you a picture oh there's one one more thing before uh what time is
it yes like a minute or two to the hour but there's a world record i think well i think it's a
world record it doesn't really matter there's a 222 hour twitter space coming up uh in what starts on september the 19th it runs for about
eight days nine days so there's open slots on it so we could either join the space host a space
listen to the space or be a part of the space i guess so
yeah we could do our weekly gentleman maybe in that
thing maybe or even
whatever we'll find a way to
be a part
this is our third gentleman
it's pretty good you know I think
yeah for sure
I'm enjoying it well
I'll try and get a guest in the near future
we haven't even talked about Boggart Old Clough
there's been developments there,
but I have to save that for another one.
I haven't even watched all that video you sent me,
but about Boggart Old Clough,
because I thought,
I don't know if we're doing it this week or not.
So, you know,
but I'll watch the video.
But I'm a bit, I'm a bit scared so i've looked into the maybe we could pick this up next week but i've looked into the
uh story of boggarts and it seems that they are genuine supernatural entities. Well, I'm not saying that sarcastically.
If they say that you shouldn't say your name,
it's a weird detail,
but they say you shouldn't say your name to it.
So they say that there's been stories
that sometimes Boggarts followed.
In one of the stories I read,
it followed someone around.
But apparently it's only if you say your name to it,
and that could be bullshit too but we
didn't do that i remember that now if i go back simon simon simon simon simon you'll be fine uh
yeah there's something living in bonnet old cloth i've got no doubt so perhaps we can dig into uh in the future. And on that bombshell, everybody,
gentlemen.
Gentlemen.
Great chatting, Shabazz.
Take care.
Take care, my friend. Chat next week.
Bye-bye. Much love.
