All right, all right, I think King Arf is laughing cuz I did do a disclaimer that when my soundboard is not working
You will hear that song. So that's maybe why they're laughing. So
Yeah, there's just a little issue that I'm working out so normally I can stream from Spotify or whatever
If not, maybe we'll get a we'll get a custom everything ordinal jam for you guys
With that being said GM mr. Polymath GM good things. What's going on brother?
GM GM how your morning going or afternoon?
It's going dude, it's better than yesterday
I think we've shifted from the prey to pray for English for now pray to good things who
May or may not have gotten some sleep last night
We met at the we met at the aria a little bit
I probably like a hour before he left town so I got to see my God for he left good things was good boss
Yo, you guys hear me? Okay
Yeah, I'll get I'll get that going yeah now today if everybody can hit the lower right hand corner pray for good things
To Miami landed here didn't anticipate
So I am I am very fucking tired and out of it
But I'm really excited for today
Because we got Niko on stage right away today yesterday. He was late came like five minutes before closed
We asked him to show up on time and look look how it happens. He just fucking shows up on time gets it done
But yeah, we thought we thought polymer to we can but we're gonna we're gonna do the intro
We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it going before we get into that
We got pixel Lord on stage
Got a lot of legends in here. I'm seeing a dirt PFP. I'm excited about that's first time. I've seen a fucking dirt PFP
So shout out to hire down there
Is that is that a bus large eyes, bro? That's large. I King Arthur. Yeah, I would say that's like a King our bottle most
No, that's like recognize you large eyes. What's up? My man feel free to come up
but yeah, dude a lot of stuff going on as usual and I want to throw it to
The poly back to polymath and tell it tell the people what we're about here at everything ordinals
And now you know, you know, we want to welcome everybody who uh, you know who will come into the show welcome all our
Speakers on stage, you know give a shout out to people audience. I see Leo down there in mr. 305
Got dr. Crichter in the house, you know, we got a rocky rocky in the house nifty for sure
Strayer so yeah, so just want to give a shout out to everybody there, you know, this is everything ordinal show
We talk everything or no, you know, these are artifacts l1 l2s rooms
R6 and everything that's gonna be everything ordinals as at this bull market start and that's new
Projects and products are released on Bitcoin. So yeah, we want to welcome everyone and uh, I guess English may got a
You know our our menu for today. Let's go
Well, we did chat some things that we wanted to talk about today
I think good things put together a list so maybe we'll go over that and then we'll just go around the room say what's up
Get into things and just have a little organic conversation. So good things. What's on the docket for today, brother?
Anything related to or anything and everything ordinals. No, I mean look I just kind of scans, you know
I'll be honest. I've been phoned it in on our on our schedule today
So that's on me, but really it's like you go to magic Eden. You just see what's poppin
You know, I was on there last night on the flight. I could see our six starting to pop off again
So I think it makes sense to kind of start off with our six like that's that's the number one
You know volume project over the last 24 hours
Rereaching kind of like near its all-time high I think at 0.05
But interestingly for me, it's it's got 5x the volume of nodemunks, which is number two
That's for the last 24 hours. But if you look at the last 30 days, it's top three. It's got 262 Bitcoin
In volume over the last 30 days Bitcoin puppets got 325 and of course King nodemunks over at a thousand
but I mean that's significant right for a
Disting that nobody knows exactly what it's gonna amount to what it's gonna be
It's not a not an art. Well, I don't say it's not an art piece
It's not a traditional art piece and in the sense of how I think most traditional art collectors in this space look at art
I actually kind of do think of it as art
We can get into that a little bit if we want, but yeah, I mean like our six is going wild
And I had a few yeah, I had a feeling that that was gonna happen
My my silly mind did not start sweeping at 0.03 or whatever it went to when it dipped should have done that
Tastiest you're ever gonna have I've been dipping since the seventh grade. But anyways, all right
No, but that's the thing is like so people were like, oh this thing's gonna go some people are right away
We're like this thing can go to point wide and a lot of people are like that would be fucking insane
You know, like that's that's a dumb call, you know, that's just a wild speculation
But I think at this point it's pretty for me. Anyway, it's pretty clear like point one is very very that's only two extra here
Yeah, it's honestly a lot wouldn't it like but the reason that this is happening is definitely in my opinion because if you go to
Ortee scan those guys have been really dope like so like before yesterday
You could go to ortee scan and you could put in the ordinal inscription number of the arsenic
It would pull it up and tell you if it was activated or not
so shout out to them for that because that helped a lot of people just figure out if they were doing shit correctly and
If they weren't and they were sending it again and then checking it and it made us feel a lot better
Right because there was no way to tell so that was lit and then yesterday you can now go to ortee scan
Put in your wallet address that's containing your arsix and it will literally have a tab on there
That says runes when you go to there
You could see your rune balance and like I can look at my arsick balance right now and it's it's active and it works
Hold on. I had three and a treasury and then I had three on my own
I moved the three of my own into the treasury in case there's multipliers
So I have six in there right now, and I'm just gonna farm that till rune
All right. Well more interesting than King our specific bag is really how it works
I'm actually glad that you brought that up because I did want to get into that. I did see that
I think it was in discord somebody short shared a screenshot
So is there like a rate or is there you say you mentioned multipliers?
Like what do we know about like I just guess like the accumulation, you know of it
Like what do you get per per minute? Do you get a multiplier for holding two? Like is there any specifics in terms?
I'm gonna be real though. I'm not the guy. I'm left curving this. I'm just okay altogether
You're just happy to see number go up. So like and be yeah, it's gonna go up. I'm gonna be where it's going up
I'm gonna say that this was probably very important to the increasing volume
Like I think it'll do pretty well regardless, but there's a gamification type thing
Which is is a very dopamine type of like thing that happens
So this is why like blur if you're familiar on the theorem platform, you see the number go up
You see yourself accumulating more points. You have no idea what that means
But you know that you're getting more blast is the same way, you know, you spin the token you spin the wheel
You get a certain amount of points
You don't know what it is, but you don't really need to know you just know that you're actively doing it
So I actually wouldn't be surprised because they deployed this whoever deployed it
It has a way to actually accumulate it it made people say hey listen
not only am I in the casino, but I can see my chips going up and it's probably part of it and between like the actual
Airdrop which obviously is pretty easy to do but nobody actually did it
The the design because good things did mention that it is, you know kind of art it is ruins there
so it's it's it's a branding right in your face and so they're doing things in a way that makes sense with this gamification meta because
I did mention this on the show like
It was a Zeneca. He's like oh
2017 I see. Oh is you know?
2024 points like everything's about points right and so even though that these are not exactly like points
They are like they work in the same manner. So you see your points going up
You see like juke airdrop coming you see blur blast you see liquidium on Bitcoin and now you have the most hyped
And you have a point system. So it's kind of like if like somebody like King R who's wants to left curve this you're like
All right. I like BTC. I like ruins and I like number go up. I'm all in dude
And really that's all it takes there are multipliers are right the rarity and stuff like that, which is important
But like me knowing that is is less value and EV it's like negative EV for me to go looking into what it means
But I know that I know what it's doing and the rune is gonna come right?
So like having them together makes more sense because if there if there are multipliers
Which has been talked about and stuff and I don't need to know the numbers
I just need to know put them all in one wallet
That way if there are multipliers, you're getting the most possible
Highest allocation and like yeah, I've been up top where you can like how it works as a video
She thought whoever that is put out a good one from fucking oodies team, I guess but yeah
You'll just do that put in your wallet now you can see it
so that's that's my thesis is now that people can see it see these people getting number higher people are gonna post number higher and
Yeah, I think it's a good take go ahead Polly I'm sorry
No, no, I was saying I saw I gotta I gotta find a tweet
But someone pretty much made a tweet that pretty much in the bull market
The rooms are kind of you know mining wise can pretty much pay, you know anywhere from like 130 to 150 dollars like per day
And I definitely think we
Listen to the conversation. I'm gonna spend some time tonight. We need to find out like the rarity
We need to find out the multiplier that people can come on this show and learn
About how to maximize like their game
So I think I think I think that we should make that like a point to you know deep dive to deliver some
You know some alpha, so let's go
All right. Well, we can do some research regarding that. I do think it's an interesting topic
You know at the end of the day, they could have just airdrop this without a mining type of thing
And to like King Arf's point, I think it's really just that gamification dynamic. It seems to be working
It could be everything it could be nothing at the end of the day
I'm pretty smart to do it this way because there is what 90 days until the having that we have talked about
To maintain attention right in this in this in this attention economy
So in terms of keeping attention, we got to give it up to our six doing well dominates a lot of conversations
Overexposed with me and with me and dancing Eddie and we were talking about
Atherium and ft phi and then all the ordinal MF errs got on there and started talking about our six
So obviously not just in the ordinal ecosystem, but across all ecosystems
And we did say that things are gonna be more cross-chain and we had the magic Eden team
They've been killing it there. We can actually talk a little bit about that as well
They've been basically doing partnerships now with the magic Eden wallet
Solana projects are gonna be doing
Open edition. So that's pretty cool on the BTC ordinal side. We're seeing like defy dapps and other dapps
Partnering them with multipliers. So again, we're talking about these these point systems
So I believe we've we've chatted quite a bit about liquidity with Robin the founder here
There's a multiplier. I'll pull it up the exact multiplier
So if you're using the magic Eden wallet and you're using liquidium, you'll get even more points. What's the other one?
There's another one that I'm missing too. Don't let me pull it up here and I'll find out for you guys
We got derp to the little derp guy. I don't know what that is, but we're supposed to wash trade it. It literally says
So this is my take on our six
So like I'm sorry on the derp
So like I think like so this is my thesis and I know you I think it's become something else at this point
But like puppets wouldn't have taken off
If it wasn't for node monkeys, I think they're fantastic
Don't get me wrong and I think it's it's already kind of it's gone beyond that but you need a lightening in a bottle take
They caught like that second wave of where people missed out. And so that's what happened over there
They're people were like fuck. I miss this. This is kind of dope. Let's ride this ever since then it's taken on
They've been able to maintain the culture. It's very meme-able
There may be like MFers mixed with maladies and a little bit more DJ and I don't know they're dope
But it needed it needed that kind of you know
That catalyst type of thing and so this is kind of what this is the way I look at this like derp thing
It's basically like the puppets to our six node monkeys and that might not be a bad play
We'll see they got second in line. I
Haven't really heard about it. I had a couple people say hey, I got this dropped in my wallet
We see one person rocking it as a PFP. Maybe it has legs
I don't really know too much about it King or if you you are the puppet king and the arc R6 max
What do you know about the derp?
So the derps are interesting bro
So like they've actually been performing pretty well just as its own thing like they're at what like point zero zero eight
And then they went to points yours are one and held there today. They had points. There's our three
So price wise bullish were in an airdrop flip not these days. They went up to money. They went to point zero zero for something
Well, let's go. I was a sweat. But yeah, yeah
No, I was on the plane or I was like in the airport and I felt really bad because the night before I bought a few
Of them at like point am I saw you selling in the wee hours of the night?
I see here's what happened like I bought several at point zero two six because I didn't know what it was
I saw one of them in my wallet. I saw some people talking about it. I'm like, all right
Let me just this is another runes play like it may not it may be absolutely nothing
But like there's gonna be speculation on it. So let me just let me buy a few of these
Pulled up the next morning. I think that was Sunday and and they had just dumped on me
Like I'd lost like 50% I was like, oh, you know, that didn't feel good
And then I won't you know, I'd like later that night is when they pumped up and I was doubled up
I was like, all right not making this mistake again. Let me sell these things
I mean that was kind of my predicted play and I think like I said, you know
I said this I think last week when right after our six launched. It's like now it now another template has been has been made
You know, it's been clear that it's successful like like our six is definitely a successful
Project at this point so far so other people are gonna copy it or you know evolve it and that's what we're seeing with
Derp, right? It's a very simple
Another simple rule or a rule set for a game
But yeah, I mean I think I think these things are gonna go nuts to be honest
Like I think the dirt so like the parent inscription has the parent inscription has all of the instructions for anybody holding these that wants
To farm it. Um, I took that and put it into chat GBT and told it to fucking give me the key points, bro
Distribution of derp will be 10,000 derp ordinals, right?
Which are already out and got sent out to like different fucking collections one of them being the puppets shots of the puppets, bro
The gaming mechanics are trading
Sucks I don't know why you didn't get him but whoever it let's see it was machine who did it
It was the BTC machine guy. He's a fucking weird dev. So go talk to him and yell at him and maybe he'll give you one
But there's trading for rewards
Which means that players are encouraged to engage in wash trading of derp ordinals each time that a derp ordinal is sold
It allocates one shittiest rune
Well shittiest underscore rune and that is going to be allocated to the holder at the time of the rune claim
So you'll you'll every time you wash trade it you get one of those and it's called the shittiest rune
Which is 13 characters because it needs to be 13 characters in order to be a rune, which is funny
Value through trading a derp ordinals value is tied to its trading activity
It becomes more valuable with more trades holder benefits only
The holder of derp ordinal at the time of the rune claim receives the shittiest rune
So if you get like that's how that's working. It's fucking ridiculous
There'll be a phase two and the phase two begins in April
So following initial claim period after that and is is described as being equally nonsensical
After that the nature of derp and the shittiest rune are that these are described as meme coins with no real utility or promises and there
Is an insinuation that it could be a deceptive scheme aka rug pull the game is
Self-described as being designed to be the dumbest low IQ
Or for the dumbest low IQ idiots and then the motto is play stupid games and win stupid tokens
so this is a total D gen fucking farm this thing and
Wash trade it to make them more valuable type shit and all those instructions are on the parent inscription
So that's like what this fucked up situation is right now
Yeah, I mean I wonder before we move on too far away from ruins the rune coin or our six so
Hope you're saying your name right, but he called me goo thing. So, you know, I think it's fair
He said you want to throw some some more speculation on the fire. I don't know if you guys saw this tweet
Can't really see it in the pencil. They pin it up here
Rune's dev is saying me so many idea when waiting Russ compiler
What if our sick not only mind rune and I saw this earlier, but I haven't had a chance to really dig into it
King are for anybody else you got any insight here?
I know he put out an API the other day which also we haven't talked about that people can use to
Track the rune allocations, but I have no idea what this means. He's insinuating that let's see
He's just insinuating that they might be doing something else other than the token, right? But I what though, you know, yeah
Yeah, super like I read it. I'm like and first of all, it's in weird, you know weird internet meme language
But like yeah, I mean like there's a lot you can do with rooms and obviously there's a lot you can do with inscriptions period
So yeah, it's just very vague
But fuel to the fire I suppose
Nico, how's it going, man? I'm okay. I just so I
Wanted to talk about what you guys are talking about
But in a different context and if we can also segue it into something else that find your list to for the quantum cap
Yeah, absolutely. We haven't touched on that and I would like to so that that would be a good segue. So take it away
All right. So cuz I was having a I was having a conversation with an eth
Maxi not too long ago because he kept telling me what's so great about ordinals and all that and he kept throwing in my face
This was doubt by the way good things
you know doubt that day from
When you came to my space early in the morning and you were complaining that you had to that you had to wake up early
In the morning and it wasn't even that early that didn't sound me at all Nico. I don't know what you're talking about
He kept throwing at me that it's just a JSON file. It's just a JSON file. It's just a JSON file
you know, and he's telling me that
Transactions on like the stuff on ordinals is not uh, he's not on chain and I was like
This is mid curve as fuck
He's not wrong with what he's saying and I'm like, wait a second
But that doesn't matter everything can be updated or appended
Like I don't see what your problem is with the with the entire fucking because he's going really deep into data structures, right?
And then to be clear Nico, are we talking about inscriptions? Are we talking about like BRC 20?
These these what are we talking about?
So in the mean pool in the mean pool when they put the code and they bring up the they do the description
It can still be updated. That's why so then we can get into why we segue with the cats because it's on tame and they evolve
So like and this is all predetermined obviously, but it's actually pretty cool
How you can do that on chain and evolve but correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you could do that on these
Yeah, you you you definitely can do a lot of stuff on needs that you can do on on on order
He's saying specifically on on on on chain stuff and I don't know the specifics
I know that there's like three or three degrees of like on chain this on on
Ethereum and obviously there's e-scriptions. So anything you could do
On ordinals you can do via e-scriptions, which is on chain the previous ones that are that are on chain
I don't know if you can make them dynamic the same way that
Because that's kind of intuitive, right? Yeah, I'd have to look into that
I know some people that are pretty well versed there and in on chain this just from either the nouns ecosystem or whatnot
And I'll ask them that's that's actually a good question outside of it. Anyways
I rang so many bells in my head on what you could do with ordinals the fact that
You can so here's the thing just because it's clunky and everything and yeah, like
Just to bring up all the data all at one time is kind of like like it'll take a while
it doesn't matter it's all on chain and
So like this is why I would need like certain zero knowledge rollups and stuff like that just to improve all of this
But honestly, I think we're just in the beginning and people aren't understanding what's going on with everything and like we'll segue into the cats
Right now that whole thing people aren't understanding about the evolution of the actual and it's on chain of the
Ordinals that's that's the whole point. I'm trying to make here
Yeah, no, so Nico you said it brings some bells in your head or all kinds of bells
How many bells do you have in your head?
Is it not the good look you have like two right you have two psychiatrists and ones like the better-looking one that you prefer to
To wake you up in the morning. Well
Something like that. I don't
Yeah, no, no, it's not the cute one. Yeah, so there's like a psychotherapist
Yeah, yeah, yeah sending one of those
Well, I hope I hope the cute psychiatrist wakes you up tomorrow and gives you the meds that you've been asking for
I hope that that's a utility that one of these ordinals projects can provide. It's just like their job psychiatrist
Yeah, the ones that said that last cycle they they just had fake psychiatrists who didn't actually have degrees
Oh, dude, there was two or three projects that did that. Hold on. They were like, oh god. I totally forgot man
Where I met someone who started like the first telehealth psychiatry
Maybe I'll have to this would be me. I
Who said that I'm I'm the fake doctor to the culture
I prescribe everybody fake drugs like pepper and phetamines and you know, all the all those types of things
Did you say I didn't even realize dr. Suss got up here. What's up, man? What's going on, dude?
So yeah, I'm the fake doctor to the entire culture
I'm the head head sociologist at Good Morning Regional Hospital and we treat post-traumatic mint. This all those societies chattering elitis
You name it and so so what was one of the prescriptions? It was it was it pepper even phetamines
Yes, exactly pepper and phetamines. It's a very fake drug, but it is very strong. So you have to be very careful
Is that an alternative to to Adderall?
You have to talk to the FDA it's currently being researched, but you know, I can't speak to this
I mean he opens up his jacket. That's what it is. Captain phetamines. Exactly. I mean I'm talking about. Oh, I know
He got he got that good stuff he got to that good stuff I'm talking about the on chain
So I think part of it that you're referring to and I don't know how common knowledge but so yeah
So inscriptions are on chain, but you don't you the the actual Satoshi that you send to each other
That's not attached to that Satoshi. There's a pointer, right?
so you you inscribe on the block and then
There's a specific Satoshi that's attached to always point back to it
so because there is that pointing back mechanism it is possible to
With recursion and with sad endpoints and stuff to update this right so you are up able to update it
Even though it is fully on chain. Some people will say because it's not moving around in your wallet
But I think that's probably like not the greatest argument just because everything takes a certain amount of social consensus
And it's probably it's not it wouldn't it would be too bloated of a chain to do that
It would just go on an infinity. Jen. I see your hand up. What's on your mind?
No, sorry continue then I
No, no. No, I was just kind of expounding on Nico's point because we were talking about like on chain dynamics
And then so I just wanted to clear that up for like a baseline standpoint
Just can I tell you one of the bells that went off on my head? Absolutely, and then we'll go to
Standard first of all, they can be multiple standards created from this just because it's a JSON file
There could be all kinds of custom standards created from this, right?
Just because Jason saw a file in the mean pool, right?
There can actually be some really really cool like cryptographic standards being done
Where like one line of code could be an entire now?
I'm just like this would take forever to make but like I'm just giving an example
But like one not even a line of code like one string and extrapolate like thousands of lines of code and an entire protocol
But a standard would have to be created for that and it would be very hard to do something like that
but like one Satoshi can actually hold more value than
one Bitcoin with just because of a
Standard like that if you if you get what I'm saying here and then this is like very deep
But these are the kinds of bells that were ringing in my head
Good things you're killing me. All right, go ahead continue Nico if you if you had any further thoughts, it's too easy
It's too easy when I get tired like this, you know
I'm sorry. Am I boring you? No, no, no, you're not Nico. I think it's a very fascinating that I continue
I could just to go far into this like yo
It would take years to even get to what I'm talking about
Like because a standard like that like yeah, like just to create something like that
so it would have to be like you'd have to be like a like a really well-known photographer to it to create or like
Someone that can create a like a crazy compiler or something like that. Yeah
I just I just think because of like the DNA of
Web 3 on on or on Bitcoin that we call ordinals just because it's radically different
We're gonna see different technology use sometimes because constraints will limit us and that leads to more creativity
You know, obviously you have smart contracts on aetherium on Solana
Maybe with like one of these op-cat codes where I'm sorry one of these operational codes whether it's op-cat or CTV or whatever
I'm on top on top of like it VM or something. You'll see some more repos repos
Remote Jesus Christ, I can't even say
Robust Jesus robust types of smart contract like
Features, but at this point I think sometimes like part of the art form is actually just the constraints and what creativity comes out of that
And personally that's one of the things that attracts me about it like I find that kind of like that collecting of that artwork
Just kind of more rewarding or just more attractive for some reason as opposed to like everything's fair game
And it makes it like nothing's really valuable because it's so easy to do but great points Nico appreciate that
Jen you did have your hand up. You took it down. I didn't know if you still had a point, but go ahead
I think something too and just like the on
Chainess and the whole pointer thing something that really helped me coming from East and it took me a long time and I remember like
Asking in the order cord and everyone's like why the fuck do you need to know this?
But in Eve we know how to like go to a smart contract and like see the token URI and find our data
So I did pin at the top like through witness data, which is always going to be a part of transactions, right?
But if I could figure it out and show you in eight minutes anyone can do it
So you can also like take all of the witness data and turn it into your inscription
Text inscriptions are a lot easier, but I feel like that is also just something of like knowing where things are and
Understanding like how it truly is connected
Very cool. That's you've been
Yeah, is that a video you did or just a video that I can't know
All my educational stuff is on Jenna peach so that you don't have to like listen to my opinions or see pictures of dicks
You guys if you guys haven't followed Jen's educational account
You definitely should just get a lot of great content on there and there's no dicks so far that I've seen so
It's a it's a great stream of information only
Well, I was following Jen, but I didn't have notifications on I just put them on
I don't know if that's a hundred percent bullish up apparently time to penis is an actual thing
and so if there's not penises right on like the first the first
Commentary on one of her threads or videos. I don't know if that's a bullish thing, although you sound pretty well-versed
So I'll give it a shot regardless
for the lack of stuff, but I'm I'm always here to decentralize the day I can fuck the system and
Let's fucking go. That's gonna be whatever it means
You got to explain English the time to penis mean because nobody I mean people are gonna be like what that what was come on
Come on. Come on fellas. Come on
So time to penis is is both from standpoint like any type of
Like platform that has like some kind of public
The theory goes that specifically that the quicker that somebody draws a penis or adds a penis or talks about a penis
The more bullish it is for that platform whether
It's a social media app whether it's some kind of forum, whatever the case may be and with that in mind
we have the the crypto dickbutt and so
Rajan Rajan del Rajan del he did a penis there
The joke is that it took like 24 or 48 hours for him to inscribe that from inscription number zero to inscription number one
although the fact that we got a penis on
Ordinals as the second inscription and technically the first inscription after Casey inscribed is kind of bullish for ordinals
So it's kind of this this, you know on, you know ongoing joke in terms of just tech in general
But it does apply to ordinals. So that's the time to penis the reference was if you're not getting a lot of penises
Jen, I don't know if it's bullish for your educational thread. So that's the context good
Yeah, you know, I've been the platform many times. I sent you a DM. I feel like you'll appreciate it
but I will move it back to
So, yeah, did you want it did you want did you want to get into the quantum cats?
Well, I wanted to get uh, you know cypher monks been on stage
Let's get this take on what we've been talking about first cypher. Let's get it
I'm trying to realize there's something about like seabor
Yeah, does anyone know about the compression ratio going from JSON to seabor if you're trying to
And I don't know what protocols except seabor besides like which is like minified JSON, right?
I think it's like so around fifty percent, you know, you would save
But I'm not sure and I can't look the other question. I have was so I got the striking
Is this the same as like the the the cyborg punks and the pepinos is that that same platform the CRBC 20 user
CBRC 20. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it's native to CBRC 20 the CBO are you know file?
But I know that you can minify a JSON which would say if it's more numeric theta, I think it saves more
Space so obviously that's way lower inscription costs if you can get up to like, you know, 50% savings
But I don't know if there's any other benefits for doing that wasn't your anyone's an expert
Yeah, I'm not really well versed on the topic if anybody here on the panel knows a little bit more
You're you're welcome to chime in obviously or somebody wants to come up and explain it
If not, I think well, that's maybe something for us to research and we can chat about Jen
You're you hadn't needed for a second. You have something to say. Oh, wait. Sorry. What was the question?
Did you want to pitch it again cypher?
Yes, oh, yeah, actually the other thing I was thinking that was the fucking have you guys seen the Silicon Valley episode they're just
Yeah middle out and mean jerk time MJT I
Haven't seen that but but explained it. I'm curious. So the mean your child. It's fundamental actually just host
It's there's a whole equation on I'm not gonna get into it too much
It's better read but basically, you know
Actually, I can't you explain it. All right King. I like say that you had
Four dudes, right and you jerk off all these dudes
The easiest way would be for them to go tip to tip and then you just middle out
I think that easiest way would actually be to just get on any single Twitter space with web three people
The one dude could jerk off four dudes if you went middle out
All right, yeah, you walk you walked right into that one English we're gonna we're gonna definitely put a pin in that
Episode it is a great episode that show is amazing. I definitely recommend so you knew where this was going
Good things and you let me fall into it. All right, fair enough. No, dude
I was I was I was literally researching seaboard because I'm curious myself
But yeah, yeah. Yeah, you walked right into that. It's my bad. I was asleep at the wheel again
He didn't want to be saved I tried to save
Back to back to everything ordinals. So yeah, I think you know, I think the question about seaboard is a good one
That's definitely something we'd have to take offline. I definitely have some I'm sure some engineering friends that could help answer that relatively quickly
So if you want to DM me feel free cybermonk
Yeah, let's go back to English, you know, yeah that English do its thing. Oh, we've got like the quantum cats
We can talk a little bit about that
Um, I guess one point that I want to make and I didn't really know that I had to make this point until earlier today
On an earlier space and I had somebody I guess when I was talking about the mint
basically, but it to a certain extent and I mean
I'll say it was profits and I have a you know, pretty decent relationship with her
and I think she was a big fan of the taproot wizards and she's like
But you guys fucked up and there's no way around that and after chatting back and forth
It was apparent that she believed that like the the mint itself was botched in the same way that like aetherium ones
what were before where people would bought it and like get a hundred or five hundred of the collection or whatever and and I
realized there were some people kind of you know shit posting in terms of whether it was like photoshopped or actual like
You know screenshots where people got like five or six
So just some clarity on that the system that was designed like it wasn't we didn't create just like this proprietary type website
There was a couple of things that that are ordinals native or has been happening in orders that they wanted to prevent
So one of them is like mempool sniping. They didn't want for like the public
So somebody, you know, we've seen that on magic Eden that has to do with PBSTs
And so they didn't want any of that happening with public where you think you buy it you broadcast it and somebody steals it from
You so there was like proprietary technology in there to do it. The other one is to prevent the gas war
So they wanted to make sure that there was no gas wars technically not called the gas war in ordinals
But everybody's familiar with that term
So I'll use it and there's a couple of other things just to make a smooth experience because of this
It's not really in these types of but there is some lag time and that lag time is to kind of use the chain as a source
Of truth. So if you were allocated one for whitelist and you minted more than one
You wouldn't get five and so there was a small batch of people that broadcast maybe three or four transactions
But were only allocated one
It might have shown up on the UI that they got, you know, 10 15 and that was just a UI glitch
So obviously the main point it was a front-end problem with the UI and with the load
I don't have any confirmed things. This is not taproot wizard related every time that I talk on the show about taproot wizards
I'm just gonna make it very clear. Like I'm not speaking for the team. I help out there
I'm happy to chime in on my opinions
In terms of everything that I've seen and just with my history in the space
I did see some screenshots with like mintek if you're familiar with like mintek
There was you know, it's a potentially body know what error
So the main thing that there's not like a bot submit in terms of and I think that's a misconception there
And so when I explained that to prophets, she's like, oh, I didn't know that so I think that was like a port of distinction
I see Udi's up here. He can talk about if he wants to come up here a little bit more
So yeah, that's just a an important thing to understand and that's kind of what's being worked on
There's a five-hour window now instead of a two-hour window
The mint will be on Thursday
And so that's kind of a recap of what happened and just to kind of sort out some of the facts from some of the misconceptions
Yeah, I appreciate that English
I mean I saw it in my in my group chats that I'm in as well and many of the discords that I'm in like
You know anytime there's any kind of snafu or whatever with the mint
I think people like to lump it in with other things that they've seen before and you know
I always basically recommend people reserve judgment until you hear from the team and you hear maybe from some other developers that you know
And trust like but I'll just say in general like coming from a team myself
Like every time you have a large launch of a product in this space like there's gonna be issues
Sometimes you don't even know because like the team is able to fix them before anybody really realize this
But like these things are not this is a very serious like thing to launch a product. So we got woody up here
We got Dazzler requesting welcome oody grand wizard. Maybe that's not the proper
All the time I got a bunch of smacks he's like don't say that I never thought of like that
Hey, hey, no, I not my favorite title not the first time I heard
Yeah, so I covered a little bit of what I understood from what happened regarding the mint did I did I fuck it up?
Did I get it more or less right anything you wanted to add? We fucked it up, you know you
No, I I didn't hear all of it. I just I just joined in the middle but
we tried to build like a kind of
cool and innovative solutions to many of the
difficulties with minting on Bitcoin
You know, usually when you go
You try to mint there's like there's the issue of you know waiting for 10 minutes. There's the issue of
Maybe the thing gets sniped in the mempool in some platforms. Maybe
It starts a gas war fee war, which is undesirable a bunch of like potential issues and we tried to come up with a system that
You know, well was supposed to solve them. But as we know
I wouldn't I wouldn't say what happened was exactly a solution to anything
Yeah, it it kind of blew up in our faces, but like look the the it happens sometimes when you try to do things in
There's there's been yeah, there's been a ton of traffic there's been a ton of people like we've seen the the stats of people
we said in the beginning that like
One thing that surprised us was the amount of people that were trying to mean and people like well
This is just a white this man. So
You knew how many people were gonna minute. I'm like, no guys. It was more than that
It was it was more than 3,000 people was way way more than 3,000 people
We're just going in there and pressing all the buttons and of course many of them were clearly bots, too
that should have been except expected
Yeah, it is it is what it is
Some of those things that work as well as we hope they would but that's the reason we you know
kind of postpone everything to Thursday to make sure that we have the time to
Clear up all those issues and make sure that police at least the second time we do this
it's gonna be like clean and and
Comfy for everyone and I don't expect issues like that to happen again
And in terms of like I guess the turnaround time from like the actual, you know minting one to receiving one
And that time where like people receive, you know one cat
let's say that they had an allocation of one but they sent in like three or four and
They have a screenshot of like five cats over there. It's my understanding. They're not getting five cats, right?
They're gonna get yeah, they're one cat and then a reason. Yeah. Okay. Yeah
My pitch earlier so the reason I even brought this topic up
Obviously I wanted to cover quantum cats in the mint. It is a topic in ordinals
But just chatting with with profits earlier today
She thought that like those screenshots of people posting and I think they were kind of posting in a shitpost manner and joking
I know like Farmer Joe did it like with a Photoshop and a couple of other people
I think even like ordinlies like was you know joking that I'm gonna get five cats and that was probably a UI glitch
But because of those the people that are not in ordinals every day. They see it
They hear that the taproot wizard mint, you know for quantum cats
You know didn't go right and they thought that like it got bought and and people and I was just explaining because of the nature
That's not really possible, correct?
Yeah, so there was there was many bugs
The mint many unrelated bugs sadly and one of them was kind of this display bug where you
People would see that they minted more to be clear. Those people did not pay
For whatever it is like five cats or whatever amount they were seeing there
It was just it was just like a bug on the front end
So no, they're not gonna be receiving them. I'm sorry if that's disappointing anyone, but but no you're not gonna be receiving five cats
What's gonna happen there's a very very very small amount a few handful of people so I
I guess I'll start with some stats even though the website
Barely worked at all and even though it was
You know bought it hard by people who are not on the whitelist
They didn't manage to get away with it
Right. So like the what did happen is that a thousand spots on the whitelist did manage to mint
Okay, so a thousand legit
spots with actual legit cats
Managed to pay for their cat each that was you know, taking care of the funds are safe. Everything is okay
We have the addresses of the people and they will get
Their cats after the men so that you know, not the experience we were hoping to deliver
But for those people there is a happy story and happy end and they're gonna get their cats more than that
They're actually gonna get today a
Website that allows them to plug their address into it and they'll see
Exactly the which cat they get so this is gonna happen today and everyone who paid for cats gonna have this today and and look
Sorry, you had to wait this long
In addition to those people to those thousand people there's been a very very small amount like a handful of people who
Mint more than their whiteness location
Very small a number of people and they will be refunded also today for the for the
additional payments that they send
So they're gonna get a cat for their first white this location and they're gonna get a refund for the second payment that was made
In error, so that's gonna happen today as well and they're gonna get a list that shows not my list
They're gonna have a website shows them exactly what they did get what they did pay and what they're getting back to their wallet
So that's gonna happen today. And then on Thursday
You know, we run it back for everyone else everyone who was on
The whiteness and was not able to mint yet
We'll be able to mint on Thursday and what once that's done. We open the public mint and
Everything else will be up for grabs for people at that stage. I
Expect I expect a lot of button clicking but yeah, it'll be fun
Hey, I want to I want actually so so after like, you know, like the mint tomorrow
How long can people expect before they could see the cats up in their wallets?
So the mint is not two more. It's on Thursday. So in two days. Oh, I'm sorry about that. I'm in Thursday
Yeah, I'm sorry and and the day after that on Friday
We're gonna deliver the cats to everybody everyone who already paid for one before
Everybody's gonna pay for it on Thursday. All of those gonna be delivered on Friday and look I'm saying Friday
And very deliberately to make sure that that process happens, you know safely and without errors
So it might take like one more day
And if we have to like make sure that everything is going, you know by the book and safely but we expect it to happen
On Friday and we'll keep everyone updated
I expect it to happen on Friday. Yeah
Go ahead and go ahead good things and then I'll go yeah one question I have is greed greedily or selfishly
Want to know what are my chances in public oody? Is there is there any numbers to tell me?
You know how many buttons how fast I need to click
Yeah, look we're not we're not sharing the numbers but I can tell you I
Can tell you that there's been look pretty much everyone
Was on the white list tried to mint yesterday
So I expect that, you know, the vast majority of the white this is gonna be
is gonna be minted minted tomorrow not tomorrow on Thursday and
That won't leave a lot for public
But it will leave some because we've taken care not to over allocate the white list
So every single person who received a white this spot is absolutely guaranteed to be able to get a cat if they show up on midday
So for that reason there is gonna be like some small amount some limited amount of spots for public
So there will be you know, there will be some and I think that if people want to
Want to try their luck at that. I think it's worth it. I think if you you'll be quick enough
You'll probably be able to snag it
All right. I got awesome. And in terms of turn on good things. Let me get this question
Hold on hold on this is just it's an important question for some people because I know what questions people ask and it's it's somewhat
Related to them in but not really but it is actually related to
The fact that people will be able to see which cat they get so on the taproot Wizards collection
I don't know if like rarity or traits was intentional
But at least at the very least we do have a browser and people can sort by traits and somebody added rarity to that
So will people because I know there's people like Daza who's gone through like the collection and it's found out
There's like eight, you know bubbles and three jelly beans and he's even given them names and stuff like that
And from a collector standpoint, that's kind of important to some people
It could be like the OMB style where it's just you know in the eyes of the beholder and somebody will do that
Or you can have traits and just because the taproot Wizards does have like that generative traits that we've seen in traditional
PFP collections will the cats have traits and rarities and if so, will they be able to see that either in the website or a third party?
So the answer is yes, they will and they do I think some people maybe didn't find it but it's actually already live
We did we did it because we wanted to make sure that it's available once the mint and so we published everything on the morning
The mint did not end but the the traits are alive. So if
If people want to check them out there, they're available right now in Ori scan Ori scan calm and
They're already also fed into the marketplaces. So once
Once trading starts, you'll see them there as well. And there's a cool bonus here
a cool thing to think about which is
Sure, we're publishing the traits for the cats as they are now
but as a reminder and I don't know if everyone remembers that but this isn't their final form so the cats are going to evolve and
No one knows yet what they're gonna look like in the future. I would expect that this metadata is gonna change to
Along with the cats but for now for for what they look like right now the traits are published. Yes
I'll tell you one thing then we'll go to good things and then we have a bunch of hands
The fact that Udi gets so excited every time he talks about that
It's not the final form tells me that he has like something cooking dude
Like he really gets it like I noticed in his tone like he's like a dude
But you know like those those
Infomercials that it's like but just wait there's more like he gets like that little smirk in there
I could I could hear the smirk in his tone, dude, so
Look forward to what they evolved to good thing. Sorry. I interrupted you
We'll go to you and then we'll go do some hands because there's been some hands there. So go ahead good things
Oh, no worries. I'm just the host of the show. No big deal
We're all co-host my friend you can hear it I can I can feel it
But no, I want to ask I'm joking obviously about utility. I hope that's obvious
But I want to know because I know these things are gonna be the I don't want to use the word mutating
But the art is gonna evolve and I was wondering if you could talk about that
It sounds like probably not but for those who don't know like the artists behind
You know the the Wizards as well as the cats collection is far
An absolute amazing artist. You don't know who he is
Zero X far on Twitter. You should absolutely be following him. He's got many different collections out there at this point
But yeah, I mean people are sort of like, you know, there's there's armchair art critics out there saying, you know
Oh, I could draw this cat. It's kind of like it's just the go-to like I could draw this puppet
I could draw this monkey. I draw this cat five minutes little kid drew it
But it is actually incredible art and I think what people are definitely
The market at large is not appreciating that this stuff is going to evolve and so I was just gonna ask about that
I was gonna ask if they're gonna mine our six, but that opportunity was was lost in the in the whole disruption there
But yeah, I don't know if you can say anything else hoodie, but if not
Totally understand. I'm gonna try and get myself one of these damn cats
Famously plug myself. I don't I don't think that you watch my op cat video, dude
I'm kind of feeling some type of way. Okay, so I kind of feeling a little hurt
So to be clear, I did personally watch it
But I also I also watched the clock I was past the submission time like I wish I could give you a whiteness for everybody
was no, no, it's all good
I was I wanted a good thing to be the wizard in the end and we just missed with him flying to LA and Frisco
So but yeah, but just check it out was it was a pretty serious production like it was a long video
It had a lot of like standings and actors and actresses and it was a very impressive
Like four or five times and I told him like look I'm gonna try to do it
I'm gonna try to get you on there
I'll mention it and so he's like he's actually been pretty cool about it and after I told him like no
I can't help you out. He was okay with that answer, but what he wasn't okay with that you didn't watch it
He's like, just let me know that like hoodie watched it
Like I just want to know that they like acknowledge me. So I think I just wanted to be watched off the whole thing
Over there and there's the this was it was very impressive
Yeah, I just want to say I was cut out of that production
Just because the fucking party city in Redwood City didn't have a wizard hat
That's literally how I got cut out of that thing, but I digress
Good thing. You should have hit me up. You know, I would have made you a wizard hat
All right, well all so much has been lost yeah, but let's go to some hands we got Nikko and Dominic Nikko
We heard from you already want to hear from you, but I definitely want to welcome our friend from the East Dominic
Hey, brother. Thanks for bringing me up. Um is 5 a.m. You I'm just feeding my kid
My kid my kid my daughter
And cat as well, I just want to say thank you UD for launching the minting beta
I just want to give one alpha to everyone
So most of the people I speak to
Who were able to mint it yesterday?
They were using x-rays wallet
So good thing if you want to try to
Snipe for the pop flicks better use X-verse
As opposed to what like you know that well, we did we fix the issues with other wallets and the dominant
Well one thing that I did here and I know that this has this tip has worked on aetherium in terms of speed
But in terms of a lot of people that got through people were using mobile X-verse mobile and for some reason that seemed to work
Better so if you're trying to do public and I don't and you want to gamble and do a little DJ
And and see if you have some kind of advantage that might be the case
I don't know but I did hear I did hear that three or four people that I talked to
Use mobile and had a pretty good experience. So at least the mobile works and and there's that so
There's obviously an inside joke there that I have no clue what's going on. All right, fair enough
Actually, we one of my friend are hosting
Quantum cat Chinese space on Friday
And we are trying to build the Chinese community as well if you type in quantum quantum cats CN
There is already a page with nothing on it because I'll catch just still stuck in the quantum rim
But if you guys are available
To to show up on the space on Friday, which will be your
Friday morning cuz you'll be our Friday night
It'll be yeah, really really great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I'll see you guys on Friday then
I'm done. Good. You all right. Thank you
All right, sounds good let's go we got the plug for the for the quantum cats Chinese community
So would you be there? I'll try to make it as well
Niko you had your hand up. What's on your mind? Did you have a question for what are you or did you have something else to chime in?
Couple of things. So yesterday I was coming back from
my other therapist, right and
I got lost in Macy's cuz it's like at the Queen Center mall that one. They don't call me
they I have to physically go there for that one and
so I had my second phone with my ex first wallet in it and
I'm on the I'm on the white list for
The cats and I tried to press mint and it kept saying giving me whatever weird message
I couldn't see the message on the X first wallet, but at some point and my wallets only funded for one and
One and like not even a tenth of a cat maybe like a like a like a 150th of a cat
So but at some point it told me I had ten and I'm like, all right
So like but look beauty if you guys want to make that mistake, I don't mind
I only have enough for one. All right. The other thing is I from our video. I just want to find out
Okay, I need to I need an answer to this question. I'm sure you watch our videos since you watch them all
Stephen Miller's video, right? There was a phone number at the end. Did you call that number by any chance?
or did any of you call that number by any chance I
I I didn't realize that I was supposed to call it but
We were reviewing so many videos that I was like, yeah, I I don't have time for this
No, no, but I realized that something was gonna happen if I did that
So typically don't call call 911 unless it's an emergency
So back in the days they used to be a rejection hotline and I actually got it when I was like 18 or 19 years old
When it first came out a girl gave it to me, but that doesn't exist anymore
There's a different one though where it plays the 80 song Rick rolled
So, you know, we should have done like a pulse or something
I don't know. I want to know how many people like fucking Rick rolled with that fucking phone number
Yeah, just because it's web 3 I would have been terrified to call that number
But it does sound pretty funny and maybe there's still a way to use that that number in the future
Well, we'll trap somebody with it. Maybe now that we knows the whole gimmick
He's not gonna fall for it. But let's let's be crafty here and see who we can get. I'm down for it
I caught somebody with it. Alright, it was fucking hilarious. But yeah
All right, very nice very nice there are some other hands here we got some other speakers
What can y'all hear me we hear you loud and clear what's going on
Is that the new is that the new rumor of the day
That's been one of the rumors for a while dude for sure like oh with the whole evolving thing. They're like, oh you're gonna get your you
There's three thousand three hundred and thirty three, but you know two thousand might turn into a wizard
I've heard that being pitched. There's a lot of conspiracy theories going on
But um as somebody who's gonna be a collector of cats if they want to go with that theory and that pumps my bags
Um, I'm not one to say. Hey, they're not
Like I'm not gonna be the person that's gonna be like no, bro. That's probably not gonna happen
But Oody did you want to chime?
I think the important part is that the the story of the cats is only beginning on Thursday was supposed to begin
I guess yesterday, but it's only beginning on Thursday. There's going to be
Quite the storyline that we plan ahead of time for this
yeah, I don't think it would be a lot of fun if I told you what they're gonna go into but
There's there's nothing I got a question. I want to ask you what why cats were not dogs were not bears
What like what what was the cat work? Where have you because where have you been polymaths? No, I know
But I'm talking about specifically like was there something deeper there than just like some myth that Satoshi had a cat girl
I think that the op cat thing
And I feel like there's no actual evidence like I love the war but Satoshi never
Yeah, and never there's no look I feel like if Satoshi had a cat
I'd be really happy because my dog is named kitty and then I would feel like oh my god
I'm so on brand but I just you know
For for all the fans of Satoshi out there
Don't go by a cat just because Satoshi may or may not have had one. Well, it's all
Me last night. I will say first of all
There is absolutely no proof and no evidence that Satoshi did not have a cat
I don't know where those rumors are
There's another thing that is an interesting tidbit
Billy Marcus who's the co-founder of dogecoin and
wearing a wizard on Twitter a
Tapper wizard on Twitter and calls himself shibitoshi Nakamoto
Does own a cat does not own a dog
And that is all I will say for now, so we live in bizarre world is the cat's name doge I
Kitty so I can be on both teams. I'm I'm totally here for that
She's excited that she has one day left of being like the alpha cat in the house
So I thought maybe far or maybe you like had a cat so to like add to the lower but yeah
Just so happens to Toshi doesn't like it's proven to do so cookie couldn't have a cat they both don't worry about it
Patrick if you want some lore
Tyler did share that Eric's cat did choose the mint price
for the cats, so apparently there was um about a hundred little pieces of paper on the floor with
.001 and only one with point one and the cat decided to choose point one and that's how the name price
All right, so this this is all I will say I will say of the cat question
I've just received there's some input from the discord from a lizard wizard. He's probably here in the space and he's saying that
Satoshi's cat is in the quantum state see
You build you but she both has a cat doesn't have a cat
No, it's either dead or alive. Yeah, there you go. That's the whole thing
Very very interesting speculation, but I do have a question for Udi
That's a little bit off topic, but Udi has taken you know
I think I think he's taken on the maxis quite well
I'd say you know probably probably won a long time ago
And I think it was like really like it was just a it was it was a win from the beginning like he was he
Was just bound to win this battle or war, but what I had preordained
Preordained but what I haven't seen so far at least I'm maybe I haven't been paying attention close enough is you taking on
Sort of the eth maxis or or you know they're not like it's not really maxis
But just like the the ordinals faders, and I know Jen and a bunch of ordinals MFers are gonna be in Denver
And I'm wondering like is Udi gonna show up or are you gonna take on?
East Denver and try to get some some eth MFers into ordinals I
Am going to East Denver they asked me to speak and they're gonna regret it probably but yes
I am going to East Denver
Had the displeasure of knowing me for a long time
I have been fighting eth maxis on the timeline for years I
Actually think I took it way too far at the time, but I haven't I think they eat maxis for a while
Unfortunate nickname of the Peter Schiff of aetherium for a while. I think I would say hurt held that
pretty pretty that was pretty much in consensus and
would say that I I kind of put that fight to rest when I realized that the Bitcoin maxis have become too strong and
They need it in a position, but I
Kind of agree with you that we've already kind of beat them to the punch so
Especially making fun of the eth maxis when it comes to Solana. That's a lot of fun. I
Think just in general maximalism is not
Say that as a former Bitcoin maximalist
It is a survivor of the Bitcoin maximalist cult
It's it's just not healthy. It's not good for you. Don't do it
It's bad for your brain. It's bad for your wallet. It's just bad
when you when you start making like
You know investment decisions based on ideology
You're probably in for all the pain. It just doesn't make sense
You know best one is great as it is we don't need to be religious about it
and if you and look if people want to be religious about I mean by all means go ahead and do it, but
Would I would be careful?
About building your investment thesis based on like religious beliefs. That's kind of odd
And the theory maxis at least some of them they kind of fall for the same trap. I feel like you know
It's not just like what something that happened. I think that's really interesting and something I learned over
The years I spent in crypto is that you a lot of times in crypto you win
But you don't know why you won you think you know, but you actually don't know like you make money
Some coin that you got 10 X's 100 X's whatever it is
You feel great about yourself and you convince yourself to tell yourself a story that the reason it happened was because
You know you were a genius and you principled about
Decentralization or your principled about digital gold or your principled about some bullshit when
You know in reality, you don't know why things happen, you know
Things happen for many reasons and you have a very narrow view like every one of us has a very narrow view of the world
And what's going on around us?
And there's it's very unlikely that the even when when an investment thesis plays out
It's very unlikely that it happened exactly for the reason that you thought it would
It's it's a form of hubris honestly and and pretentiousness that you think that you're such a genius
That you just predict it exactly what's gonna happen
And when and when it when it does go well, you know people some people
When those things happen, so they just tell themselves that that they just
They're just geniuses and they don't need to look around them anymore. They don't need to pay attention to what's going on and
That is when you start seeing communities when it when it when it's not one person
But but it's large community that falls for this trap. That's when you start seeing communities kind of
Slow down and lose their edge and you saw that with this point
I was and you're seeing that they might be in with a fear of maximum now and you see that in other places, too
And the good news is that I think eventually people snap out of it
So like with Bitcoin, I think we're obviously in this Renaissance period
What I think that a lot of new people kind of come in and they're saying well guys you drop the ball
We can we can fix this and that's good and I think that the same can and probably will at some point happen with therium and
Yeah, you know, there's there's good news
So we saw that you gave the Bitcoin matches. What dance you're gonna give the East maxis. I
Think Eric's gonna be in charge that Eric is the one that convinced you to do it
And it was like this is a really good idea
Udi so let's go with it. He's like, okay, this is a good idea and Eric with a little bit more rhythm
Yeah, yeah, no just quickly because you did mention about East Denver
We've seen the Taproot Wizards at New York for the first time then go down to Miami
Sagmore Hotel kind of hooked up there went to Amsterdam. I do get questions. When is the next official one?
I know we're gonna do BTC Nashville. Will we see Taproot Wizards like a party or get together in NFT NYC?
Well, you know when I'm gonna announce it right now, but
Okay. Yes. All right. We're not gonna miss that's the NYC. Come on
You heard it here first get some alpha. All right. All right, that's what I wanted to hear
Let's go. Let's go. You heard it. Don't heard a non-announcement announcement on everything ordinals
English got it out of the
13,000 square foot mansion that is our or Denver takeover headquarters for everyone on Bitcoin
I got a lot of this house keeps getting bigger every time she talks about it
It's like the female it's the female version of like the fish that you caught, you know, it just gets bigger and bigger
So I have that over all of you guys
We can get some cats, you know, hit me up
Yeah, I was just about to tell you guys during NFT NYC. Let's not do the whole cat furry thing
All right, like we got no everywhere
I never crossed my mind to be 100%
And I actually think I'll prefer furries to 19 living cats
Yeah, you go to conventions and you have a really good time with a bunch of furries
Man all right, so eat Denver is going down booty's gonna be there
Jen's gonna be there swag is gonna be posting, you know live
I'm probably gonna be there. Yeah, I met up with h wonder yesterday. He told me I should come
Nothing against Jen or bunzy who also told me I should come but when h wonder tells me to go somewhere
I would pay for your flight. Fuck. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, Jen's the one that told me about it in LA and and I
English I'm not gonna press the mute everyone button. We got it. We got decorum up here, but I will say
I will say like this is super cool
Like I've never been to eat Denver and I had no plans to go
But once I found out that there was a bunch of ordinals and efforts going and now that oody's gonna be speaking there
I think it's gonna be a super amazing event. I
Think it's I think it speaks highly of the ethereum community the developer community
Because you like we got the exact opposite reaction right at Bitcoin Miami when oody and Eric, you know
We're announced that they were gonna be speakers. There was like crazy death threats. There was like all kinds of like
Just objectionable behavior from people in the Bitcoin community
Not everybody obviously and me and Patrick were there on the floor watching, you know, bit boy
Pass out wizard hats. We were watching oody try to learn to dance in real time
It was quite a spectacle, but it was you know, it wasn't at all what people were
When we landed Trevor was like be my bodyguard
Gotta say, you know, like they like yes
We actually did receive actual death threats before we went to Miami
I'm laughing because it's hysterical to me because I I know those people personally I've met them
They are not capable of hurting a fly
Middle-aged man in a wizard suit. So yeah, they they they're really not
They're really not the physically threatening type when you when you see them, but they definitely enjoy verbal threats
My point though once I got there everyone was very welcoming very welcoming including, you know the usual
Laser eye faces that you know from Twitter. They always yell and complain, you know, they were they were they smile they shook our hands and
They're overall nice, you know
just I just want to say that because I don't want people to get the wrong impression like I do think that in general the
You know mostly friendly and in welcoming at least in real life. Some of them just have very very bad
But you have to be understanding like they have that very advanced mental illnesses
They're very troubled people. So they just don't know how to behave
In general, they stopped their mental development at the age of seven. So you were doing so good Oody. You're doing so good
I'm like, okay, he's actually he's giving he's giving the sort of like the broad community a lot of a lot of flowers
It's just a few bad apples and then you went straight into all
But no, I mean, yeah, I I was throwing it off the backboard to himself I could
Know this is the thing about IRL
Like everybody should be trying to get to some of the IRL events. There's gonna be a shit ton this year, you know
There's events in Asia like, you know, non fungible yon our friend from X verse the man with the plan
He's he's got a Hong Kong meetup that I'm gonna try and get you
I don't even know when that is the first time that I ever heard anyone verbalize his username like non fungible yon
You know, you just calling me on
Dude I'm I'm so such a lack of sleep right now. You're gonna have to come in some slack
Yeah, I did in real time. Like why did you just why did you just call?
I don't know when was the last time that I slipped. I don't know what month it was
I'm not sure which year it was take math. Don't talk to me about
So but the point is is like when you go to these events like you meet people like Udi and like he might be like
A sarcastic bastard in person as well, but he's actually quite nice
So, you know, it's it's it's really good for people, you know, we're kind of cultivating this this community with this show
And obviously like there's people from all over, you know
The Bitcoin space Ethereum space and even some salata MF person here and it's just great for people to meet up in person
it's when you really get to
Connect with people in a real way and and you get you get away from all the nonsense of the internet
People are very different in person in terms of like I think they're just better
When they meet each other, so just plug in that again, but jux you got your hand up. Welcome. What's on your mind?
Yeah, GM GM. I am Solana M efforts. I wanted to come up and just say hello to all my
I've been playing on ordinals for a long time. Oh and be mentor and
Got a bunch of node monkeys got a handful of b6 air drop to me
Got to chum it up with Udi back at NFT NYC. That was fun
I think Jen I met you on Friday the guy with the headband on the panel at the IRL event
Really just wanted to come up here and say hey
And also just like double down on what you just said the IRL events are the place to be I think the the biggest difference between
Meeting people on this app and IRL is there's instant repercussions on what you decide to say in person
Whereas online you can get froggy left and right and probably don't have to deal with it
So that usually leads to like more organic conversations and usually more positive and forward-moving conversations
Hello moon is gonna be doing something pretty dope out there. So if you're out there, please tap in with me and let's link up
Something cool out there and if TNYC you we're gonna run back the basketball event like we did at Basel
A lot of really cool stuff happening in q1
IRL and in this space cuz man we're fucking cooking right now
Everything like anyone that's been here the last two years and you stuck around through the darkness
We are in this light now. I appreciate you guys the the orange folk the laser eyes and everyone in between you guys really
Helped push things in a in a positive way forward for us here. It's a good time. It's a good time to be here
Yeah, so to have you here and stoked to be part of the orange folk
I definitely don't consider myself necessarily in the laser eyes camp or the you know
The ordinals people is another phrasing that gets thrown around but orange folk I can get down with that
Dominic what's on your mind?
Yo, um, yeah, I just went to another real life event yesterday as well. So the vibe is really good
So I really look forward to seeing you guys in May for the ordinal Asia event
So something really random, but since you guys mentioned about ethereum
Vitalik actually tweeted something in Chinese
He said meme coin holders be like and then the Chinese is
Let's pretend to be a cat and meow meow meow meow meow
I I pinned it on on on top
So I think you do you should approach Vitalik and see if there is something we could work out
Well, we've already approached Vitalik actually earlier last year, I don't know if I
Don't know if everyone caught that
that's one of the things that happened in the ordinals kind of bear market and and maybe a lot of people just start there to
Really one of the only live Twitter spaces with metallic ever. He's very rarely doing those and he did one with me and Eric
Where basically the topic was type of Wizards in Bitcoin and how to do
Maybe second layers on Bitcoin what we can learn from ethereum in the Bitcoin ecosystem
There are some really interesting quotes from here from him during that
One that I really like was when he said that
That he fixed that onals bring like this new spirits to Bitcoin of just building and creating new things that didn't exist in
And it was cool seeing that from him
He was there in the kind of glory days of Bitcoin where
experimentation was still allowed and people were just building cool stuff and
It was cool to see how you recognize that this is something that's coming back to this point now
And I think he saw that especially in order rolls. So that was that was a cool moment
I think for the all those community in general a lot of people were fading more rolls back then but
telling you out of nowhere the entire time I was filled with
Metallic quotes about how ornamles are making Bitcoin better. So that was cool. But also he's very
Famously very likes cats, you know
That's not a big surprise cats are great
If anybody decides to listen to that so I after listening to that
I had to ask like an ordinals dev to help me out and I was like
Can you just help me out with what was actually being said and this is an ordinals dev?
That's pretty savvy and he's like anytime that I hear of italic talk
I bring out chat GPT with me just like as like an aid
So if you do run that back and you do choose to listen to that
That italic spaces bring bring your chat GPT friend with you. It'll be your friends
All right, we got Stephen Miller, oh and by the way good things
Cardinals kind of pushing me to go to East Denver. We might get an Airbnb. So if you're someone Klein
But you want to be stupid up top
Top is the derp thing. He just treated something the dev. So there's something with derp up there. All right
There's there's some air BTC an Airbnb. Yeah, I'll air be it's easy. Yes, exactly. Yeah
Yeah, we're live. We're live planning our
Roommates, you know, favoritism in Denver
How much Bitcoin is in the wallet and then they're gonna show pictures
God y'all need to be a little bit better about this shit. This is why I hire security
This is why I'm hanging out with Jen
well, they're actually I've noticed the pattern good things so like
You you you basically fade Jen all the time and then somebody brings up the same thing and then you agree to it
Like this happened with like the mint for Thank You X
She's like, oh I got you like the mint and you're like, no, I'm good
And then somebody else brings it up and you're like, alright cool. And then now you know the East Denver
It's like hey, you should come and you're like, yeah, maybe and then somebody else
So I'm actually seeing a pattern that you keep fit your your homies trying to look out for you and you keep fading
That's all you know what? I'm used to it. I'm a girl
Someone else have to repeat what I say for people to listen, but the real ones fucking no, so English is gonna go
I'm just so many light years ahead in the way that I'm thinking that he's not able to process it when he hears it
The first time we have to have patience for our slow friends
Yeah, absolutely. Good things is a good man. Stephen Miller. My man our art expert and also all things art what's going on GM, brother
Look I wanted to bring you guys a little bit of a tease because it's not
Officially public yet, but I've got the very first
Info on it. There was something that was posted not posted. It was inscribed last week and it was
Like every single show that I talk art on was talking about this big inscription. They shared it through or dot or dot IO
I will pin that original post the top right now
And the post said that someone spent sixty one hundred dollars roughly over the past 24 hours inscribing these eight high resolution jpegs
On the Bitcoin if you look at that art, and if you know anything about the scene
You may have a general guess as to who that is. I
immediately upon seeing this
Messaged him the artist behind it and I said look I will be quiet as long as you want me to be quiet
Tell me that I'm right and that this is you
He confirmed it for me, and I'm now very very happy to tell you guys that the artist behind that collection is Ryan Koopman's
Who has been behind a number of really phenomenal photography collections on eath and other chains?
But that is going to be a very very interesting dynamic photography drop that he's got coming
I will have more details for you guys the next coming days
But I think that looking at that art and just starting familiarize yourself is really important
So wanted to throw that out there to you guys. I love it
I know that there's going to be some really cool things going on in terms of making it dynamic
so yeah, that's one for your radar, but there's also the
The drop from Mattrick collabs, which is blocks
And it was featured in the report that I do all eyes on art
But the date is wrong on it. They changed the date on it to February 1st
so that will be over on Magic Eden on February 1st with the
public mint happening I believe after
Yeah, 4 p.m. Eastern time is when that's happening and the mid price on that's 0.0 to 5 6 BTC
It's 256 piece collection. So I'll pin the all eyes on art
Guide up for you guys if you want to take a look at everything that's minting in the next couple of weeks
But that's what I've got for you today
Shape that always coming up. Oh, yeah. I appreciate it. See you then
Yeah, the art scene is definitely like a blind spot that I have so it's always good that we have
Stephen Miller bringing that up for the community to get it
You know the field just can you give a little bit like you mentioned that they're a pretty prominent artist
Have they had just drops on aetherium like I'm I saw some people react
So obviously people know who that is for someone like myself or someone that might be listening. Can you give us some context of what?
Good things. Yeah, he literally he literally just dropped that off. Yeah, he's like fuck that. Yeah, we get like fucking English dude. I'm out
I'm sorry. Can you guys hear me?
I didn't know if you heard my question like in terms of that artist obviously
It's a significant artist for people that are not familiar with that name
Could you just provide some context like what have they done like in either web 2 or web 3 previously?
Just so we understand like I guess, you know
The magnitude of the artist that's doing this. Yeah, so the big collection they've been I guess
sharing most across the last couple of weeks last months has been a collection they did called the wild within and
If you go to the wild within dot XYZ, you can see all the art and you know where exactly it was photographed
But he has done a number of different drops has been featured both by soft bees and Christie's and
Honestly second to none like he's got a really phenomenal portfolio. It's worth going and taking a look at
20 K is like the typical average of the pieces that he sells and that's in USD
Just to make sure that I'm saying that out loud
But yeah, they like he's got a really really wonderful portfolio
So I'll make sure that I pin something from his profile up as well. So you guys can take a look at that
But yeah, I love this app just deciding to crash in the middle of a question
We are about an hour and a half into the show good things any other topics that you wanted to cover
Do you want to start wrapping things up?
Yeah, I mean, I think unless anybody's got anything
Pressing there's there's a lot of excitement coming for Thursday for the for the cats
You know, there's a limited amount left after the whitelist them efforts get at them
So everybody that wants one be sure to be there. I'll be there trying to get one
I think we're gonna see some action on secondary. I think like there's there's definitely a lot of talk
No, no, go ahead. I think so. I was just agreeing with you. Yeah, we'll see some we'll see some action for sure
Well, no, it's just like I'm watching people in like all these back channels, you know, like doing their thing where it's like
Oh, there was a problem. Like well, it's fucked now, you know, like and that's that's not at all how it works
We got we got one of the top
The better it does like every fuck up leads to greatness
There's no hundred per sailing upward. Well, but what I'm saying is like people equate so there there's a ton of fuckups in our in
Our industry like whether you're talking about
Aterium whether you're talking about shit coins, like there's just non-stop. Did someone try to meet me again? You can't meet me. I'm the host
There that's Polly. That's a hundred percent Polly
There's there's there's just tons of tons of fuckups right in this industry
And so everyone just like kind of smooth brains goes
Oh, it's another one like this is the same as all the others and it's not the case
Like what we have here is a top tier team
Like if you look at like look at Udi's track record look at who Tyler is look at who Rindell is
Look at who fucking far is like these are and then look at the community team. You got English
You got Daza like this is a top tier quality team. I'm not just saying that cuz Udi's on stage like it just is facts and so
Whatever happened there, whatever snafu happened like they're they're doing what they need to do
They're gonna come back on Thursday and that first don't want those cats. I know I still want one
So anyways, I'm just setting the scene like for people who are on the show thinking about you know
Should I listen to the idiot in my in my in my like group? That's like yeah, it's over with you shouldn't right?
Yeah, I don't want you to like I'm not saying go FOMO by on secondary or whatever
But like just know that this isn't like this isn't like other failures. We've seen
So that there's that we got Dominic's hand up
But basically I think that's the main message, you know
And other than that like, you know, watch out for these are six like these are six have been going nuts
I'm I'm trying to get some more on on you know on this next dip if there is one
But yeah, if you got something I can I can tell you something we've seen
There's there's two types of people right who tried to mint
Sadly a lot of people tried to mint and couldn't
But also as we said before a thousand people did manage to send a payment and get a confirmed cat
The people who minted are you know, I've talked to a lot of people talked to a lot of people during the last 24 hours and
disappointed unhappy, but in general
The people who successfully minted are
Apparently very happy, you know
I think that I understand the frustration from of course everyone else who was you know
a lot of people woke up early or you know took a day off work in order to mint and a lot of
Stuff that people did in order to make sure they managed to snag their whiteness spot
And of course the ones who didn't manage to do that are disappointed
We're committed to make sure that they'll be able to do that on Thursday. So
But but by Thursday we will get it right for you guys
And I guess my point is it's funny that people it's funny if someone is like, oh, well the mint didn't work out
so it's over that's that's pretty funny to me because
we know we know that there's a thousand people who are like already like ecstatic to get their cat to the wallet and
We also know that there's a ton of people are basically lining up waiting for them into open on Thursday
So yeah, I think I think it's gonna go fine. It's just our focus right now is on making sure that the
The the the experience is as best as it can be and everything's gonna be smooth and everyone will be happy the next time
And for some reason I'm getting I don't even I don't know how to explain it, but I'm getting more
DMS yelling at me that they need a like this spot after the mint
Yesterday than I did before I don't know how to explain that exactly
My answer to everyone is sorry. I cannot I
Wish I could but we don't have more white list pots to allocate. But yeah it from where I stand. It does not seem like
There's any issue with the people's interest
We we still we're still flooded with DMS and somehow more than we did before yesterday
Yeah, I can yeah, I'm that as somebody that got those DMS as as much as well
It's interesting. Yeah, just as many do go ahead good thing. Sorry
No, I'm just gonna say you guys I mean you guys focus on what you need to do on on the technical side and the product
Side, you know to make sure you provide the great experience
We as as speculators and and people who don't know what we're talking about
We'll just basically say, you know
You should you should not you should absolutely like not listen to anybody who tries to equate this to like the run-of-the-mill
Crypto fuck up like we're literally living through I haven't tracked what's happening with Valhalla
But I saw a bunch of MFers on the timeline talk about Valhalla and there's like tweets about oh, you know
Like all these founders blah blah blah and I just want to make sure that people that are listening to this show
But yeah, I can only imagine like I I wouldn't even dare to
DM anybody from the team or English to ask for a whitelist because I know there's not many anymore whitelist. So
Dominic Nico and then and then we'll close out
Yeah, I'm one of those guys who sends like 300 DMS to UD. I never get a reply. But anyway
Seems you guys are closing up this space. I just want to show
845 a.m. Which is like nighttime in in Hong Kong. I invited Leonidas and
BTC machine 98 to talk about derp and also runestone. I'll try to translate everything in
Chinese and and English as much as possible, but
Depends how much I can talk
But yeah, feel free to check in and and talk with the Eastern people and I'll try to translate everything I could
Do you have a link Dominic? Yeah. Yeah, I pinned it up
Okay. Yeah, I'll find it. Yeah, I'll retweet it. Yeah, I think I think
Go ahead. It's called. Oh my god. I
Love it. I love it. Yeah. No, I think these East meets West West spaces are honestly like amazing, right?
It's like a nice bridge into the IRL stuff
Like that's that's really been an exciting thing for me is to talk with more people from that side of the world because frankly
It's always been a mystery to all of us on the West
You know, there's a whole China's buying meme and we're like are they really buying and now you can actually tell us
So no, I think it's I think it's great what you guys are doing. So really appreciate it. Yeah
Okay, sorry, yeah, I always wanted to do those kind of space because
mostly most Chinese spaces or or talk about
which coin is gonna go up or which protocol is gonna blow up next but
Rarely there there is something that talk about what's happening in the space or what's fun to do. So
It's you know, it's always great to talk about titanium Cheeto and stuff
Well, just a quick question from like the Asian culture like is it a thing that they say wait till America wakes up
Okay, I was actually asking that joke as like a tongue-in-cheek kind of joke because that's like a big thing in America
Like especially like last bull run, you know
You see like a dip and then you're about to go to sleep and you're like, it's okay
The dip is okay. Wait till wait till Asia wakes up. So that's pretty funny that you guys say that about America. That's hilarious
Confirmed another piece of alpha for you guys. The other side does say it about us as well
Good things that you have something else
There's just an opportunity for somebody to scream America. Nobody took it. So we'll go to Nikko and then Jen
Yeah, I'm so still super bullish. I've been super bullish
Last time I was involved in a mint that fucked up
It moaned and good things it was involved in that meant to if you know what I'm talking about. Yes
Yeah, that shit fucking went crazy, but I did curse you out quite a bit yesterday at this after 2 o'clock
I did fought a little bit, but I was just I almost broke my keyboard
Trying to mint because I got home and I went to my PC hoping that I would get a different outcome, but that didn't happen
Um, I know cats have nine lives
But let's not tell and Stephen Miller by the way now that he raised his hand
He also told me to fight on the timeline. But anyway, uh, now
You're such a stone cold liar
I know cats have nine lives, but let's not test the other eight, please
Like I don't want to test any more live cat lives, please. Even though I don't like cats, but whatever
Know you've been waiting to land that joke Nico. We're gonna give it to you. That was amazing. Jen go ahead
No, I was gonna say that like I feel like any of us who have been in this space for a long time
Like nothing goes perfectly. It's how you handle it, right? And I actually am
Happy that you guys extended the allow this period. I feel like yesterday
I was in on calls with people all over the world and the call times just changed and I think that's something that
you listen to right because yeah, not everyone can mint as easily and I think it's about how you communicate during and
Keeping people updated even when there is no update
Like letting people know that it's hard and yeah, all of that stuff can always be improved. But I think that
Extending the time is a good thing. So there's like less stress for everyone including on your
On your systems, but yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a mint go perfectly
You can prepare for everything you can have the best team
you can like go through the checklist of everything that's gone wrong before and
something will go wrong and I feel like that's all of us also have to have space for that like
existing in this space that we are literally building and making up as
All right, yeah, thank you so much Jen
I just have a quick question for Udi then we'll shoot it over to the poly to close this out
Udi you did mention that the cats will be available if you did get a chance to mint
You said that there's a website coin up. Is that a separate website or will the quantum cat website be updated?
Yeah, it will be like a new URL within the quantum cats website
Okay, tweet it out. And so I definitely recommend as usual to go follow the quantum cats account
And also the top of Wizards discord will announce on both. It's gonna happen very soon
It's gonna happen by the end of the day today US time
All right, fair enough. It's been a fantastic episode. Thank you so much
Basis Monday through Thursday, we really appreciate you. We had a great time. Thanks Udi for joining Jen swag Dominic
Stephen Miller always bringing the art alpha. We appreciate you. If there's anybody else I missed appreciate everybody listening
We'll see you again tomorrow Patrick. If you have any final words, we'll wrap it up there and then play some music
No, I just wanted to you know, say oh the uh, we appreciate you coming by dropping some alpha
Drop me some game swag Nico Dominique Stephen always coming with the extra RFA. Jen for your lovely energy
I want to get some shout outs to like Emily rock a girl, you know, Stephen Morris a cho
You know Terry 50 I see 50 down there candy vids
So appreciate everybody rocking with everything or no show or do we do this every day from you know, 330 of no specific
I mean Eastern every day is the everything or no show, you know where we drop in alpha on digital artifacts quantum cats
L2 launch pads you name it. We got it cracking. So tune in tomorrow. We'll be back at the same time tomorrow. Let's fucking go
If you were here in the beginning of the episode
You know that I'm limited to three songs that I actually have on my soundboard because it's not really streaming, right?
One is nouns related. So that's not very appropriate. The other one is ordinals related
We played that it just so happens the other ones taproot wizard related. We have oody we talked about the cats
I've worked for a lot of projects. I'm not gonna be shy about it's my favorite team
I've ever worked with so shout out to them. I'm gonna play some taproot wizard shit
All right guys, thanks so much you can cut it good things
No, I think I'll just let it go we'll just sit here awkwardly with with everybody. No, thank you everybody again. Thank you. Thanks Jen
Thanks, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Let's fucking go