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Exploits, SOL Phone, & BoDoggos |Coffee w/ Captain from @dGenNetwork
Recorded: Dec. 18, 2023 Duration: 1:35:40Space Recording
Full Transcription
Hey, you know me?
Yeah, look, they said that I couldn't do it, so I went and did it.
W's only, you know I been, winning.
Top of the world, the globe is spinning.
You know, you know, I been on a, what?
Mission.
Mission.
Okay, let's get it.
Got a little time on my hands like a wristwatch.
I don't got time for the breaks and a pit stop. Race through the gridlock, take it like Chris. GM, GM. Is the audio coming through okay? You guys hearing music? Looks a little hot on my end.
Give me a hundred or a thumbs my bad fella sleep at the gas no time to wait though elon musk
i'm trying to bankroll new tesla just because i think you think electric whip like ivan vanco i just
did it w's only you know i've been winning top of the world the globe is spinners if you know you
know i've been on a yeah yeah okay let's get it I've been on a Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Anyone else buy the Solana socks instead of the Solana phone?
Be down bad with me today, brothers and sisters.
and sisters.
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Welcome to the future.
GMGM, welcome to Coffee with Captain. Happy Monday.
I feel like it's a breather after a wild and crazy weekend.
Saturday morning was like a movie. I hope everyone here is not only survived, but not impacted by multiple exploits and
hacks.
And hopefully we took the time to revoke any open approvals and clean up our security and
safety.
Speaking of which, before we even get into the cold open, I'm going to go ahead and pin
our carousel for the week.
We have a loaded week coming up, starting going to go look and pin our carousel for the week. We have a loaded week coming up.
Starting going to go look ahead all the way to Friday.
We have a mega panel coming on.
We'll have several of the leading security experts,
several of the leading hardware wallet manufacturers.
We likely will be giving away a hardware wallet or two,
as well as some discounts and maybe some other perks from those attending.
But most importantly,
while we've had shows discussing security and safety on chain previously,
this will be our most loaded panel yet.
That'll get kicked off around nine o'clock Eastern on Friday. We'll start the show, as always, at 8 a.m. Eastern Time.
Again, the carousel is linked up above. If you want to go hit those
reminders as we throw our quote open, it would be greatly appreciated. And while you're up there,
scroll all the way to the right. The space for today's show is linked. Any tweets,
likes, bookmarks on that specific post would be greatly
appreciated. GM Steveve how you doing
good good lots uh lots going on um as always like you said cat give us a like a retweet a comment
down below i commented gm with my wonderful ape that sarah scripted that was fantastic um
love her work and love how she does things freaking Freaking cool. Yeah, I mean, it was a good weekend for me in a lot of different ways.
Number one, well, first, we'll get into the exploit, I'm sure,
and talk quite a bit about that this morning.
But interesting morning for sure, or interesting weekend for sure with that.
I will say I felt really good that I'm like, better check my cold law to be safe.
Because as you remember, like, before the exploit happened, I had, God, what was it even that
I, I did, I like, I like literally like transferred something out to sell.
Right.
And I was like, Oh, I'm screwed.
That's that.
And as it turns out, I looked at my permissions on my, on my hardware wallet.
There's like nothing on there.
So I had that pretty clean.
Then my, my hot wallet was relatively
clean minus permissions for a bunch of collections that I don't own anymore to sell, like selling
like dead devil society and stuff. So that one was pretty clean. So that felt good. Um,
and then, yeah, like my, my overall weekend, we'll get into a little bit more in a second,
but like my overall weekend, pretty good. Uh, I am for the, probably the only time in my history of my betting career. I am currently six and O on the NFL. I am terrible
at betting the NFL. I am six and O on the NFL this week, including a parlay. And tonight I have
the Eagles. So I have a chance to go potentially seven and O even six and one best NFL betting
weekend in a while, or maybe in my life i should say so yeah
it was it was crazy it's just i started looking down night at one point i realized on on sunday
i'm like wait a minute i won all my bets saturday i won my uh i won my parlay on saturday i'm like
and i've won all my early games and i looked i'm like i just have the ravens left tonight at three
and a half point favorites and then they ended up covering that. So I think I have Eagles at three tonight and that would be, you know,
seven or maybe eight.
No, I got to check back, but good, good little weekend going.
So that was nice.
So overall, nice weekend.
Yeah, never happens.
Never happens.
So that'll be nice.
And other than that, heads up to you, Cap, just so you're aware,
might as well just do it on air.
I am may or may not be on Christmas morning, not because I am ditching for Christmas morning,
because I will be on a plane.
So just a new tradition for my family that we've started recently in the past couple of years.
So maybe we'll be on from my layover at the airport, possibly, but won't be too much.
But probably going to be a shorter show anyway,
I imagine on a morning like that,
but it'll be,
it'll be a brief one.
We'll jump on,
say hello,
wish everyone happy holidays and probably call it a morning.
But I don't think I've ever flown on Christmas day.
I used to travel every,
every Christmas morning.
But I don't know if I've ever flown on,
on Christmas day.
I don't think I have.
It was pretty easy last year.
I mean, we flew to the, uh, Orlando airport where they have the hotel in the airport.
We stayed at the hotel in the airport, uh, before popping on a, uh, little bus the next
day and going on a Disney cruise for a few days, which was nice.
Um, yeah, it, it, it wasn't super busy last year when I flew.
It was relatively, uh, quiet and, and everybody's in a good mood.
So that was nice, which you would think a lot of them would be in a bad mood
because, well, they're working on Christmas when you're a flight attendant
in that situation.
But it turns out, not so bad.
So did a little bit of that.
But Cap, were you safe all weekend long from exploits and everything?
Were you good?
Was anything you were folks and stuff? No, I don't have any. cap were you safe all weekend long from exploits and everything were you good was anything yeah i
don't have any stuff yeah no i don't have any i mean my pfp i don't have any open approvals on it
my other ape i do play in the nft5 streets with that the mutant and the dog and there's their
stakes so it's like it like my i like so that ape itself the actual token is not even in my wallet
it's in the bendow smart contract so like that that became my anxiety, the actual token is not even in my wallet. It's in the Bindau smart contract.
So that became my anxiety over the weekend.
It's like,
is the risk reward there?
Right?
It's like,
that's where my brain went was
like NFT trader,
I was fine.
Flooring protocol,
I was fine.
But I had considered,
at one point,
I didn't go through the effort.
It just didn't seem worth it.
But let's, for example, if if ape staking wasn't still alive,
there's a chance I would have moved my second ape
to the flooring protocol and farmed there with it.
Man, I don't know. That's scary.
It is really scary to think about.
I think my biggest
takeaway from the
weekend is
not only doubling down
on do we really need
centralization
for the masses. Most people just
simply aren't going to deal with this world and the
current user interfaces.
Just for simple stuff like
collecting and trading NFTs.
When you start talking about NFTFi, which I'm extremely bullish on, and RWA's and tokenizing
those and being able... But where I really start like, man, we are so early. We're probably years
away from that. It becomes an attack factor.
The more valuable these assets become in any protocol,
it's head on a swivel.
I probably wouldn't have slept
if I was working with or had founded
a marketplace or a lending protocol.
Their targets 24-7.
Blur, OpenSea, Bindal, NFT5, Paris, you name it.
Any of these contracts that hold significant amount of assets in them,
it used to be punks and apes.
It's now punks, apes, pudgies.
Pudgies got the worst of it on flooring protocol, I think.
And it's just as values appreciate,
and especially those that, whether
it's a wallet or smart contract that has many of these high dollar assets in it, they're just,
unfortunately, people are going to be out there finding ways to exploit it, looking for ways to hack it. And it is a scary thought.
That said, despite all the exploit after exploit,
if you missed it, we probably should start there.
I did link a article from the Bored Ape Gazette
and then a thread from Quit up above.
But if you happen to miss it over the weekend,
it kicked off NFT Trader,
which was actively used back in the day, like 2021.
It was like the trust,
one of the trusted swap platforms where you could,
you know,
trade for other NFTs or if people wanted to avoid paying,
you know,
open sea road and royalties,
you know,
open sea fees and royalties.
NFT trader was one of the,
the protocols people went to that was trusted,
you know,
and scammers would hack it back then by giving fake NFT trader links.
That's the days of NFT trader.
I remember I looked,
I didn't have any open approvals.
I either revoked it or didn't.
I simply never used them back in the day.
It just would have been a mutant.
But anyways, that protocol,
which had been used frequently in 2021,
we wake up on Saturday morning and ended up being
like over 50 apes plus other assets, but the apes, be it the high dollar ones, were gone.
They were just, they were transferred out of the holder's wallets who, in many cases,
they were sitting in hard wallets. They hadn't interacted with anything recently, but what they
did do is they had granted open approvals, unlimited open approvals on the NFT trader contract back, in some cases, two years ago. And it just never revoked
those approvals. And lo and behold, there was an exploit. Someone hacked into the protocol and was
able to leverage that open approval and transfer those assets out of the holder's wallets.
and transfer those assets out of the holders' wallets.
So very, very frightening.
Long story short, the Bourne security dial came together.
And the result, I do think, is one of the cooler things we've seen in Web3.
To me, it really defines what this culture of this world is.
For every scammer and hacker and exploiter,
we have legitimate real-world heroes out there,
not wearing capes, but from Quit to Feld and everyone at Born Security Dial to Fubar to
the 16-year-old kid. It is some of the coolest things to me. When I said it was like a movie,
watching these big brain devs give their entire day. Like I saw a tweet
from Quid. He spent 16 hours on Saturday just volunteering his time, helping others in the
space, helping others in not just the Bordeaux Piot Club, but that to me, it really... For as
far away or as early as I think we might be on things like NFT5 and as scary as this space can be sometimes
it also restored
all the faith I have in this space
when you see so many
incredible people come together to find solutions
Gargis
stepped in and said hey because the
exploiter basically offered a ransom
and said hey I'll give these back
to the you know he claimed that she claimed
to be a scavenger, that she
wasn't the original exploiter. But when she saw the exploit was there, decided to go ahead and
take the rest of these and would give them back at a 10% of the cost or the floor price at the time.
And many in security are saying, hey, this is usually a phishing attempt to get more money. Don't send the funds.
This is a tactic often used by hackers and scammers
to extract even more.
And it was just a wild scene.
Listening live, the hacker had sent one of the apes
back to Ricky Sanders, who was an OG in the space,
and had sold one of the other apes
that they had taken from him and sent
him the 31 ETH. So just
really wild stuff and something that we were
speculating in real time. Well, that's probably, again,
part of the social engineering to get
everyone else to send
the extra ETH and then they're off into the
vapor with it. But Gargit
came in and said, hey, if this is real, I'll
put up the ETH to get these back.
The boring security dial worked nonstop over the weekend, eventually closing.
Quint was able to close the exploit, prevent the hack from happening again,
and then actually reverse some of the trades.
They were able to, because of the exploit, it was still open on the hackers end.
was still open on the hackers and they were able to get some of the nfts back return those to the
They were able to get some of the NFTs back, return those to the rightful owners.
rightful owners and then ultimately the the the boron security dial negotiated with the the hacker
and was able to secure all 50 50 54 apes back and um and get them to the rightful owner just just a
wild uh turn of events like it's it's rare that we see an exploit of that size actually end on a on
a high note and a positive story.
And unfortunately, it didn't all end good, Steve, because then there was another exploit later in the day where flooring protocol was hacked.
And unfortunately, that hacker did not offer anything as ransom, but rather just dumped everything into blurbids pretty quickly and left those members still scrambling.
And then not to let us go to sleep,
the MediKey Discord was also hacked.
That's still compromised.
So if you happen to be in that Discord,
please don't click any links.
And I will take a breath here,
turn it back to Steve and just remind everyone,
don't click any links.
If you have open approvals on assets you value,
go revoke them on WalletGuard or Revoke Cash.
And we'll be talking more about this topic on
friday with a panel much smarter more informed than steve and i on this topic but wild wild
weekend steve and um yeah glad that nothing was impacted and i think the probably serves not trying
to be overly redundant looking for the silver lining here but probably serves as a good reminder
to all of us here,
as well as new entrants start coming to the space,
reminding ourselves how important it is to teach them the basics
and have that pause
and don't rush into things
and make sure you're being very safe with assets,
especially ones you have.
They're either high value or you value highly.
Yeah, no, it's true.
It's a good time to teach people about security.
You know, this is NFT Bark after Upon It Happening,
which, by the way, these exploits are definitely scary, as you mentioned.
I mean, back in our day in 2021,
the way that people stole apes was they made fake NFT trader sites you connected your wallet to and drain.
Now they're going straight to the source.
So that's terrifying.
And yeah, we set up Mrs. NFT Bark yesterday with like WalletGuard and some other things, which, you know, obviously I have and I've been involved in my wall.
It's much more active than hers.
Hers is, I would say, moderately active.
But what was great is that she connected it.
And granted, like she like doesn't do as much trading as me or anything like that.
But still, she connected.
And WalletGuard's like, 97% safe.
Your wallet is pristine.
And then we did mine, which I actively manage and try to remove permission.
It's like, 78%.
Your wallet is at risk.
Which, of course, the truth is they're running based on what they consider to be risky contracts.
Mine were, I think I had one approval in my hot wallet that was open to a site that wasn't OpenSea for selling something.
And the OpenSea for selling something, again, it's like a lot of stuff I've already sold.
So like revoking permissions doesn't really do anything for me at that point.
You know, at the same time, I'd still do it just in case there's
an exploit that I'm unaware of because people way smarter than me are going to run them.
But it's a good reminder. Revoke.cash, super good tool. You know, they stepped up. They even,
you know, set up a tool instantly. You talk about like being like thoughtful. They set up a tool
instantly to see if your wallet was affected or, you know, could be affected by the flooring
protocol hack on saturday morning
but overall like a really really good weekend i think for web3 um you know you saw especially
people that bought the solana phone oh yeah the solana phone which i know my joke didn't land i
i thought my joke would have hit i laughed out loud i actually didn't even buy the solana socks
i made it up for the bit but i'll delete delete the tweet. No one thought me buying Solana socks over the Solana phone was funny, Steve. But
I actually am kind of down bad on this one because when the Solana phone first dropped,
I kid you not, I thought about buying it just because. Because I'm a phone nerd.
Not an exaggeration. I've sold, not personally. I mean, I've personally sold thousands of phones
and I've owned businesses that have
sold hundreds of thousands, maybe a million phones in my lifetime. And I have over 100 phones in my
house. I have the Motorola Razr, the original flip phone on my desk. So the fact of a blockchain
phone, I almost bought it just for that, Steve. I didn't. I saw... And this is one of these days,
I'm going to quit my day job
just because I saw the other day
the war room was going off.
It was popping off
when everyone realized
there was the bonk claim
on the Solana phone.
Everyone was buying it.
And I was like,
okay, that's smart.
I'll go buy a couple of these later.
And I just put it off.
Well, by the time I got around
to buying it,
they had sold out.
The phone was selling for,
I don't know,
five, six hundred bucks
because it can't...
And it comes with $30 million
of a bonk claim. The phone is now selling. I saw't know, $500, $600, and it comes with $30 million of a bonk claim.
The phone is now selling.
I saw the highest one sold for over $5K on eBay.
The floor is setting in around $3,000.
And of these 20,000 phones, not only is it the bonk claim that there's $30 million that you can claim that almost pays for the phone, if not more than pays for the phone.
Now other projects are getting in.
I see our buddy Zane out there.
He's a longtime loyal listener fan for the phone. Now other projects are getting in. I see our buddy Zane out there. He's a long-time loyal listener fan of the show.
The Klanosaurus, I don't know if it was a whitelist
or they got a free one,
but other projects now, Steve,
are giving perks to the Solana Saga phone holders.
More airdrops are confirmed to be coming
to the Solana Saga phone.
And for so many reasons,
I now have thought about buying one secondary, not to do a
bond claim, just to keep it unboxed, just to hold it and see what happens. Probably buy two to rip
one, keep one unboxed. It's funny. I was joking because Modern Market B-Check, who is, I think,
I would say more conservative in his takes, not really going to go too far out and say anything outlandish,
was agreeing with someone this morning
who said that the phone could,
the first Apple phone unwrapped
just sold for 65K.
It's in range.
This Solana phone gets to that point.
Lupify said it's a $100,000 phone.
It's because of how they're treating it.
I know one thing.
If Vitalik drops a phone,
I will probably, not phone, I will probably...
Not probably. I will sweep the floor. I will buy as many as they humanly let me buy
to the point I would leverage assets to buy more of them. I think that the concept hits.
And now that it's getting attention, it's going to pull the devs in. And Steve, that's what these phones need.
The Apple is so popular, not because the iPhone.
Yes, the iPhone's great.
Yes, the user interface is awesome.
It's the App Store.
It's the same reason that all the Android phones stand out from all the other non-Android
phones that aren't an iPhone is because the Android Play Store, like the Google Play Store.
You have to have apps
on these devices. And now that it's getting the attention of devs and you're going to have claims
and airdrops, I could see this piece of hardware starting with the Saga phone. Others are going to
replicate it. They'll do it on Solana. Maybe Ether just never makes sense. But I could see a hardware
device and maybe,
20,000 phones,
it's not even a rounding error for Apple,
but maybe this thing really takes off and it really attracts the devs and it
starts putting a dent into
the duopoly that is the Apple
App Store and Google
Play Store where Apple takes the
30% tax on all
revenues that come through there.
It's very much a centralized trap that you have to play in if you're an app developer.
And Apple takes a mafia-type tax off the top.
So the thought of a decentralized app store, a decentralized phone, makes a ton of sense
to me, hence why I'm so down bad.
Because I should have bought it just because I'm a phone nerd, and i would be becoming a bonk maxi if i would have but here i am steve with my
not even with my solana socks and a bad joke yeah no uh well first of all i think a lot of people
aren't uh like solana socks that reminds me i mean that was like that was like early 2021 when that
when the solana influencers like bunch you were out there getting socks and slides
and sweatshirts which is funny because i remember him oh my god i vividly remember that that uh
rec podcast how you say that they i wonder if i wonder if they got socks and then they got the
solana swag bag i wonder if they actually got socks well i believe like the funny part was
chamber had a giant bag of solana bunch who did not and he put in for it and they sent it to
bunch you and not chamber so that was like if, recall, that was the joke on that podcast.
Yeah, Vitalik direct the phone.
I will do all of the dirty things from late 2022, mid-2022 on that one to get on that allow list because that phone would be awesome.
I got the thumbs up from Bunchy, so I think I got my story correct there.
It's weird that I remember that from like two and a half years ago.
You know, the other thing I wanted to make sure,
because I see we got our guy Dort in the audience,
I almost forgot what was supposed to leave the cold open
was that I got the shit scared out of me this weekend
when I got a random email,
and I woke up this morning to a very laughing Cap.
So I forgot to tell this story, you know, early on,
but people in the war room saw,
so yesterday, last night,
and we'll get back to salonophone because stuff like this, I knew cap was going to light
up when we started talking phones.
Like that's his like jam.
He's got a little pep in his step.
But last night I'm, you know, minding my own business, you know, kind of doing some work.
Yesterday was a big work day for me.
Cause I had a lot going on and I'm trying to get some things done this week.
Uh, and all of a sudden I get this email and the email is from the fine people at Lattice. So if you're not familiar
with Lattice, it's like one of the sort of standard amazing hardware wallets. And it's like
relatively expensive. It's not cheap, but it's also like an industry standard. I know a lot of
good people who have them. Again, Bunchu on Midnight Crisis last week was mentioning he has one.
And with the Ledger hack, it's gotten a little bit of shine.
It's a really good hardware wallet, right?
And I get this email that a decently expensive amount of stuff from Lattice is coming to my house.
Now, I don't know where this is coming from.
It shows up in my shop account.
If you use shop, it's amazing.
It's like you have everything connected in shop.
So it's like you can track your stuff.
You get notifications when it's coming, all these great things.
It kind of centralizes your sort of deliveries.
And it's like, okay, so I'm getting a lattice and a couple of sort of the input cards go in the lattice.
And it's free.
And on this is my name, my email, my home address.
And I'm thinking to myself, this is quite concerning
because number one, there's no fucking way I'm plugging this thing into my computer because like
this is definitely some sort of sketchy stuff. But number two, how was there an info security
breach to the point where my home address, my email and everything was there? I immediately
run into the discord and I put up a message like,
hey, this is really concerning,
but I was hoping I could open a ticket
to get to the bottom of this.
Don't get an answer right away.
So I immediately go to Twitter.
I send him a DM and I'm like,
hey, like again, like sorry to-
Oh my God, this is the first,
I didn't realize you actually DMed
the actual account.
This is the first part.
I'm going back and forth with Scott,
my co-author, and he's like,
this is extremely concerning, right?
Because your home address, all this other stuff.
And this is like, so somebody has my home address.
They are sending me a hardware wallet for free, which presumably is then they know my home address.
They're trying to drain me.
Who knows what's going to happen here?
And I will read you the response that I receive.
Let me go down to my DMs with them on here.
Although Twitter, you know, there it is.
Okay, got it.
I was going to say, sometimes mobile doesn't sync up.
The response they got, hi, no need to worry.
I know the exact situation.
By the way, this is like semi, not freaking out,
but this is like somewhat concerning, right?
From Grid Plus.
Hi, no need to worry.
I know the exact situation.
Captain Zwingli asked for promotional lattices for both of you and provided shipping information via email.
We had no idea you weren't in communication, and he asked the lattices ahead of the show on Friday.
So Cap's in contact with them because they're coming on the show to talk security with an industry standard hardware wallet.
We just hadn't connected on it.
We've just been both busy this weekend and talked about other stuff. talk security uh with an industry standard hardware wallet uh we just hadn't connected on it we just
been both busy this weekend um and talked about other stuff cap had me i was in my feelings and
cap now knows what up hold up i'm sweating i'm laughing so hard we did connect and i actually
confirmed with you that is this is your what address do you want me to give them i it's so
funny because there was something else that we had connected on recently where you were having something sent to me or whatever.
And I was like, yeah, go for it on this.
And so now I'm like coming back to me either way.
We did connect, but it has been, I told Cap in my, in my text, I'm like, it has been a wild five days, six days with a lot of things going on as I prepare for, uh, for, uh, getting like again.
And, and, uh, bunch of you knows this we we
we finally landed a sponsor for coffee with captain and steve has scared him off before
they even come on our our panel on these poor people are like getting my dm and probably thinking
these guys do not have their act together because the past week the book we have a lot going on with
the book as we get ready to go into the new year.
Starbucks has some stuff coming up at the end of the year that's like a lot of work.
And we're, you know, we have some shifting.
Steve's always like, hey, Chris, you handle the biz dev.
I'm awful at it.
Noted.
I get it.
It's loud and clear, Steve.
Yeah.
It's like this is exactly why I'm not allowed to do such things
because I have so many things going on in my work life.
And then, you know, at some point, because Cap and I have been going back and forth with a
couple of things that are being delivered back and forth. And this is one I just didn't remember.
So I'm going to have to apologize to them on Friday. No question about that to be like,
although the people coming on the show may have no idea at that point, they may just be like,
I don't know what you're talking about, but I felt absolutely ridiculous. And like,
that's what I was actually curious about. Cause I didn't know if we're talking about, but I felt absolutely ridiculous. And like, that's what I was actually curious about.
Cause I didn't know if we connected or not.
And I even said in my text, I'm like, we may have connected on this.
My brain has been mush.
This just shows how badly, by the way, I've been thinking a lot,
how badly I need a real vacation, which I'm kind of sort of getting one,
um, between Christmas and new year's, as I mentioned.
So I'm going to like, hopefully take it somewhat easy on those days.
Um, but I don't know. It might be full speed ahead at the same time while I'm on
vacation, but, like, my brain is completely entangled with all the different, like, it just
shows when you have too many things on your plate and you have too much going on when I've texted,
confirmed address, but anyway, so that's what happened, so I freaked out. I went and freaked
out the Discord and the person in the Discord was like, hey.
I ended up deleting my messages that I realized I had.
And the person was like, hey, anybody needing context on this, this is what happened.
So I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let me delete my message.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
So, yeah.
So this is my fault, 100%.
Cap's doing work on behalf of the show,
and I'm doing everything I can to sabotage us at this point
by scaring away sponsors.
I love it.
I actually, like a true story, I don't know.
Somehow, like the other night, I got like nine and a half hours of sleep.
My body clearly recognized the need.
I was running on a sleep deficit for Mark Basil still.
And since then, I've been waking
up wide awake at 3.30 in the morning. And I just lean into it and go. But today, I wake up, I'm
wide awake. I'm like, well, I may as well check the phone. I open up this card and I have to get
up out of my bed, go out of the room because I'm laughing out loud. I it was a, it was a, it was, it was like, I, I can't remember the belly laughing at three 30 in the morning.
I can't remember the last time I've done that. So thank you for,
thank you for the comic relief. It truly made my morning.
I don't know if you see, because she has been babysitting me lately because as,
as mentioned a few times on the show, Mrs.
NFT bark, she worked at an auto repair shop.
She actually left that position in order to come home and help me out with a
lot of stuff because right now life is crazy.
Clearly,
Mrs.
NFT bark,
in the comments,
Hey cap,
you should probably coordinate with me next time.
so there you go.
Like she's,
in fact,
that's what she did.
Like Joey Vowles reached out.
We're having the colony on the show on Thursday to talk about RWAs.
And Joey Vowles is like,
Hey man,
like,
you know,
wanted to connect with you on getting on and doing a giveaway. We're going to give away an RWA, some board shorts, a book,
whatever on Thursday. He's like, I want to coordinate. I was like, go ahead and reach out
to Mrs. NFT Bar because I will screw this up, but I have a lot going on right now. So there you go.
But either way, so that was an interesting weekend. I forgot I adored that story. Terrible, terrible
job by me scaring people away.
So in the future, I will just, I mean, I'll take a beat.
But like really in my mind with everything going on, I was like, oh, my God, a lattice being delivered to my house.
Like, well, I'm sure not plugging that thing into my computer.
And I might have even said in the Discord, I'm obviously not plugging it into my computer or something.
Which are probably like, this is a really good look.
So either way, I'm an asshole.
Incredible.
I love it.
Another quick, since we've plowed through the cold open, Steve,
one more that I also meant to open up with is you talking about you being on
your heater with the sports betting.
From this day forward, we have a DJ and community member,
a war room member.
Jimmy the Fish is no longer Jimmy the Fish.
From this day forward, he Room member, Jimmy the Fish is no longer Jimmy the Fish from this day forward.
He's known as Jimmy the Sharp.
He took down... He won 10K last week on DraftKings
and then yesterday
takes down the big afternoon-only slate
for 100K.
So quite literally printing.
I motioned him.
He has to change his username.
It still reflects Jimmy the Fish,
but he is a fish no more
after his big 100k score
the between between jweb and bunch on the sports betting streets uh phonics and and jimmy the
sharp i can't even throw myself in that conversation i i still the six-figure score
escapes me in the dfs world but have been on a little mini heater myself uh mini heater being
like profitable or like you know four-figure scores so uh. So for Jimmy to flip over a six-figure
day, big, big congrats there. And I had actually said, yeah, I kid you not, yesterday morning,
I said, yeah, it feels like just getting those spidey senses. We've been running hot as a group.
I feel like someone's going to bring... Here's exactly what I said. I quote,
thanks. On a little bit of a heater, getting the feels that someone in here is going to ship a big one soon let's make it today and and a few hours later
uh jimmy the fish jimmy the sharp now shipped one for 100k so congrats jimmy big day and uh
good luck to everyone out there still sweating a fantasy football playoffs or best ball streets
as we head into monday night yeah very nice good love Good. Love to see it. Yeah, good stuff.
We're riding.
But yeah, no, it's definitely glad to see the DFS wins.
Mine don't happen because I would just,
I should probably just tell Jimmy at this point.
I have been, you know, a couple of times,
been on similar slates with him.
That's been good.
But yeah, no, overall, like, again,
like kind of a crazy weekend in that sense
with everything going
on so we have exploits and the other thing about it the heavy and high alert too with this thing
last thing i'll say about it is like we just had all these exploits my wallets are safe and now i'm
getting an email from a hardware wallet that i wasn't expecting saying it's coming to your house
for free for an expensive hardware we joke we laugh about it but steve that's how i feel like
i think that was like yeah i don't have any open approvals on my apes.
My high dollar assets are fine.
I don't practice the greatest hygiene with stuff that collectively,
if you took all the NFTs that were worth hundreds of dollars
that I might have an open approval on,
you could probably take me for a few grand and that would suck.
But I'm pretty safe.
It's more so like anxiety is setting in.
I didn't get an email like that. But yeah, I am on edge with... I'm afraid... Even the thought of
going to revoke.cash, it was... Just that act was very... It's like two days ago, I was like,
hey, don't go to revoke.cash. Then it's like, go to revoke.cash immediately. Just the whirlwind of 48 hours in this space was like,
geez, we are not ready for mainstream.
This space is, you got to have your head on a swivel.
You got to know what you're doing.
And we are the beta testers.
I truly do believe the ultimate end-all, be-all user interface
that the masses are going to interact with,
it's not there yet.
And that's okay.
But I think it also goes that we, we have to, you have to understand this stuff.
You can't just go around and, and I don't know.
I almost said raw dog in your NFTs.
That didn't sound good.
Steve, help me out.
Bail me out here.
You can't just go around like not, not, you know, free willy.
And that's also bad.
You can't just go.
I'm going to stop.
Be careful out there, kids.
That's what they got to say.
You should always use protection.
Wait, that's also bad.
I don't know.
Just be careful out there, kids.
You want to make sure your NFTs are in good shape,
as well as your coins, your crypto,
all those good things.
As boring security, to put it,
turns out being your own bank is hard.
So, I mean, again, amazing story.
I know Cap recapped it, but, you know, have an exploit.
And I believe, is it confirmed that Garga paid for all the Apes return?
Did it all come from boring security?
Do we know where the cash came from that got-
Great question.
I didn't do any wallet tracking or get- i believe that boring security spearheaded the negotiations i i they i believe garga funded
them i i didn't i didn't confirm that but yeah i believe garga funded the boring security dial
to secure all the apes back to you know finalize the negotiations and then doing the right thing
born and i i saw they got some flack from this which i just thought was a very odd take um from someone and i i told him this i go this is
respectfully this is a very bad take they were they were like some for somehow upset that boring
security dial instead of just sending the apes back to the the original owners they were asking
that the owners go and open up a ticket in their discord and he's like hey i don't believe why you
wouldn't just send them back why you're making a moment. And it's like, because half of them still had approvals open.
If they just send them back, they're going to get taken right out of their wallets.
They have to talk to these people.
They have to make sure they understand.
They have to make sure that, hey, we're not sending this back
until you at least revoke those open approvals.
So most of them have been returned.
There are, if anyone that was impacted,
they haven't got it back.
Just go to the Boring Security DAO,
open a ticket,
and they'll get your eight back to you.
It's just...
I thought that was a really odd take
by another community member
trying to, I don't know, poke holes.
For what Boring Security DAO?
These are volunteer people.
They weren't getting paid
for working their entire 12, 16-hour weekends
or day on a weekend. It was volunteering their time for the greater good and
um i i think it would have been irresponsible had they just sent them back to their wallets but
um not to not to focus on that steve it was um i do believe it was garga that funded the dow to
secure the apes they're also welcome to send them to nftbark.eth and i will keep them nice and safe and
tight um but no it's i i saw jack has been off and on i figured he bailed on us because we took
way too long to talk about bodogos this morning and and here's the real alpha is for the first
time in history it's time to start copy trading steve i think steve was you know he he he beat
gordon to the bodogos. He was on there weeks ago
and Gordon is just lagging.
So this is it. When Steve buys an NFT,
wait two or three weeks. You've got two or three
weeks to accumulate until Gordon does his sweep
and then the thing moons. So
congratulations, Steve. Congratulations, Jack.
I just said if Zed Run
ever gets a bump again, ever even gets close to all-time
high, I will be exiting
and converting that into my villa on Bunchu Island.
I believe Jack has a litter of Bodogos
that he one day also aspires to convert into a villa on Bunchu Island.
So congrats, sir.
Yeah, Jack, how was the...
So Jack, you...
Jack's a Bodogos millionaire.
Yeah, Jack, I know Jack was scrolling through his phone
when we were in Miami and showing us all the Bodogas.
So people missed it again.
I only, I made, I mean, first of all,
this is, you talk about the trades you don't make.
I had dinner.
I've had a Bodogas tab open.
I've had the Magic Eden Bodogas tab open
for, before, since Art Basel.
I just have been waiting.
Is it the friction of, do you have solana in
the wallet to buy or is that part of the friction for you no it's not part of the friction i just
i was waiting i i yeah i thought we'd get a little more of a dip i was waiting for things to cool off
post post uh post art basil and i i wasn't anticipating gordon to come in over the top and
and spoil my plans yeah so for for those who missed it, like,
here's basically how it went down at least for me.
I bought a Bodoggo a couple of weeks ago and really, you know,
I've always liked the art, always liked the, uh, the team.
They're out there every day. They built the bear.
It's good to support people built through the bear. I mean,
I bought some rug radio token similarly because look,
rug radio worked through the bear.
It wasn't like they kind of went away and they just came back.
So support those who built through the bear, bought a Bodoggo, um, Rug Radio worked through the bear. It wasn't like they kind of went away and they just came back. So support those who built through the bear.
Bought a Bodago prior to Art Basel.
After Art Basel, I bought a second Bodago right around, like, I don't know,
like, you know, somewhere between five and seven sold on both of them.
I don't remember what the exact numbers were.
And then I sat there and I looked at it and I told everybody at Art Basel
I was going to buy more Bodogos.
I told my friend Tebow, who I had dinner with on Tuesday,
that I was going to buy more Bodogos.
I told him to buy more Bodogos.
I told him he had an asset, I won't say which one,
but there was an asset that he had that was worth a decent amount
that he has multiple of that I was like, you know what?
Sell one of them and buy Bodogos.
And he was like, yeah, sure, you know, maybe I'll do that, whatever.
Flash forward to yesterday, Gordon tweets about buy Bodogos. And he was like, yeah, sure. You know, maybe I'll do that. Whatever. Fast forward to yesterday.
Gordon tweets about the Bodogos.
Look at the floor.
It has doubled in the straight line from 7 to 14.
Like, I literally was going to buy, like, I was pricing out
because I sold a couple things, and I was turning them to USDC,
just to have some extra cash liquid, tossed it over to Coinbase,
bought a little more Sol, bought a little more ETH.
Of course, those things are down.
And did not buy more Bodogos.
And I sat there multiple times and was like, man, I could just convert this into Sol and buy like three Bodogos.
Didn't.
If I did, I'll be honest, I would be taking profits on a couple of them and free rolling
this morning.
I still am considering, do I want to take profits on one and just free roll the second i don't know um but on the other hand like do they
still have room to run i don't know but um jack where are you at jack have you taken profits
because you have like how many do you have like 16 or something have you taken profits uh 25
uh no no i have not taken any profits i i run these things back down to zero that's that's my
that's my way that's that's how i go it um i look i i think by the way it's about 300 or zero that's
that's the number right they hit 300 you'll sell a couple if not you're gonna hold a zero
oh a thousand sol or zero cap and that's only if sol also hits a thousand so you know there's a lot at play here
uh no no that is a joke nfa can i can i can i give you as a friend because you're a friend
and i don't mind saying financial advice to a friend i'm not there's not financial advice to
anybody except very specifically to jack jack you have 25 bodogos okay you were buying them when
they were like one two three four five soul or. If you sell like six of them or something, seven of them, that is 5,000 US American dollars.
Okay.
Which are, which are much more valuable than everything you have overseas.
Not really actually technically.
So that, that joke doesn't land, but 5,000 US American dollars, you would still have
18 to 20 Bodogos in your wallet as a moon bag,
which feels really hefty.
Please, for the love of God,
just take your cost basis off the table at the very least.
If not, a little more.
And buy Mrs. Jack something nice.
Get yourself a nice sweater.
Do something because this is an opportunity.
I'm going to play the devil this morning, Jack.
Don't sell a thing.
Don't listen to Steve.
Go sweep a few more and buy Mrs. Jack the villa on Bunchu Island
when they do hit 100 soul or 300 soul.
It's way too early to take your victory lap.
Taking gains just to free world, that's for the weaks.
We're in this thing.
Soul is no longer for the poors.
It's for the generational wealth, and you're well on your way.
Before Jack is back in, you want to know about that story.
Let me tell you a little story about a little token named Bonk that I bought last week
that I have now watched go back down after I was up solidly on it
and made the choice not to, and I'm about to sell at a loss probably today.
So, Jack, look, do what you want, obviously.
Also, for the record, Jack, I did tell Steve to sell the bonk live on the show.
Like I said, I'm not buying here.
It's basically got nowhere to go but down.
Sell your bonk, and he didn't listen to me.
So I think just that one sample size alone,
it proves like you should hold the bodogos to Valhalla.
Well, yeah.
Do what you think is comfortable with you, Jack,
but I will say you're now at a point where it's like –
And also on Coffee with Captain going forward,
Steve and I will give one-on-one financial advice.
Just throw in a hand to come up on stage,
ask us any financial question.
You'll get an opinion for both of us.
It probably will be the opposite opinions just to further confuse you,
but we'll,
we'll officially be giving financial advice.
Jack's got an angel and a devil.
I'm just saying like,
like,
here's the thing.
And this is an honest opinion that I promised I'll throw to Jack.
It was an honest opinion is like,
I made some mistakes where I would buy multiple things where, I mean, again, love Zeb Klein. Royal Society of
Player Cards are a great example where I had 20 of them. We didn't have to go there this morning.
They ran. They ran. I had a stamped queen that was worth like, you know, three, four ETH or
something at one point in the ETH was like really cooking. And I did not sell those things. I kept
them. I bought more. I had conviction, which is fine. Like I'm not blaming or it is only my fault to buy more. I'm not upset
or salty about it. And things happen in this market. But if I had just sold half of my bag,
I would have made all this money and been free rolling. And we would have been still been able
to go to the events. I'm not saying that that's going to be the case here because I know that
they're building. And look, I may look really silly with these things go to 50, but even if they like, even if you sell them
down, they pull back to 10th, you've got pay and a half on these things. So it's totally your choice
how you want to do it, but it is a mistake I made throughout the bear market where I wasn't,
I was always trying to say moon bag, get rich. The person who bought a hundred apes did this.
The person who bought 20 apes got this. It's just a thought that if you sell five to seven of these things,
you have a nice bag, which is really good liquid,
to fire some bullets as this bull market takes off.
But do what you want, obviously, Jack.
I'm not trying to make you feel bad.
If you want to ride those things out, ride those things out.
I'm not funny.
The Bodogos are saying they'll go down.
It's more just, hey, these things have run quite a bit, and you won.
You were smart.
You told everybody to do it, and you were right.
But, Jack, are you feeling good this morning?
I will agree with Steve.
You can go too far, Jack.
Like, don't go buy 969 Zed run horses.
It's too many.
But 25 is still rookie numbers.
Yeah, look, I think, by the way, that was just incredible.
Like, the polar takes on the show, I expected nothing less,
but that was just, I think that will be a historic moment
in Bodogos history, but also in Coffee with Captain,
as it probably somehow, even though you both have just given great advice,
something else will happen entirely.
I don't know what that could possibly be,
but something else is going to happen.
It's not going to be in any way in line with the advice that i've just heard today um look at yeah the
thing is that the 25 and not fours like not even a little bit um so that's that's probably the most
hilarious thing about this is i've got like the rarest non-one-of-one in the collection and like
a bunch of other like hyper hyper rares um
i think i'll go about 10 of the the most coveted ones which is probably how i'm going to go about
this in the long run is i do have a a target and the target is let's just say about halfway
of where i expect it to get to um and then i will if it does hit that target i promise steve i will
definitely like take take some profits um the the only question is do i take profits on like
a bunch of the ones that are closer to floor or do i just like sell one of the the hyper rares for
like 300 sol which is which is a target on on those um it's it's crazy but let's just get into
like why i'm so convicted with this and it'd be the same if dgen or cwc dropped one as well i've
got a bunch of rugs at the same side it's like these guys have got three of the the top shows
on like every every chain that we're talking about at the moment they've got a bitcoin show they've got a soul show and they've got an e show it's it's kind of crazy that like the amount of people they
pull in and if we're going to a bull market the idea that you know that doesn't in some way still
like do do something i think yeah for me nft nyc is is my target on on where if crypto is still running,
then I do think yourselves, I do think RUG,
I do think Nifty do very, very, very well out of it.
And I do see that narrative being one that I can get behind.
And I'm happy with, I'm playing with house money anyway at this point.
All those Bodogos were funded through just like absolute degeneracy already on this part so i'm happy if they go back down to 10
if they go to five if they go when i like i picked them up at five which was what they minted at um
and they went to one and i wasn't even the slightest bit concerned over that one but was
telling people to buy at one,
even though I didn't do myself.
And a couple of people listened to me and I've had a couple of DMs and just
like, yeah, it feels good.
You know, I think long term,
I just don't see how hosting these shows and like doing so well to onboard
people and Eve to Sol, Sol to Eve, whatever way,
I do think I've always sided on the side of like we genuinely is a bit of a wag me i don't think
that you know you see people on the timeline pointing out their own projects and saying why
they don't understand why one project's going up when their project's so much better than this
project it just doesn't work it just it's i've never seen that like
turn out positively um and yeah i do think that like these guys are probably the epitome of like
we all win together and that's that's why i'm holding them and i'm happy to yeah and they
figured out top of funnel i think that's the thing that stands out is quite literally they're pumping
your bags every single day of the week well five days a days a week. I think that's a key element.
And I'm not deep into the ecosystem, but my understanding is they actually do have some
plans or are in the works to get product and the IP out into the wild.
I'm a huge dog lover, right?
I'm a big dog fan, and I know how much money I spend on my animals.
And I know that's a massive, massive, massive market that, you know, we, we, we've seen what network effects can do in this space.
If you get a little bit of a headstart, if you get a little bit of community sport behind a brand,
how that can carry you riding that wave into big box, national retail, Amazon, et cetera.
Yeah. That's, that's what I was going to say. It's, it's the idea. Well, first of all, like
there, I mean, it's great. It's great art. It's adorable. It's, it's it's the idea what first of all like they're i mean it's great it's great art
it's adorable it's it's something that i've always kind of vibed with when people have shown me the
bodogos right like it's something that i've always enjoyed uh by the way up to see that's the only
reason i also didn't go early steve while i love dogs i'm a big dog kind of guy these look like
these little tiny yipper yappers i but they but they're but they vibe at least the two that i have vibe hard um god they're
up to 16 soul now it's it's honestly a debate for me whether i know this is like crazy because i like
both of the ones i have but i mean what's more likely these things run through 20 soul and
obviously it's impossible to predict or they have a pullback to 10 or something right i mean and like
to me it's like well right now i could you sell one, get two type thing down the line. I wonder if it's worth it. But at the same time,
like, you know, I don't know. It's like, because the question is, are people now finally waking
up and getting unsold and buying these things and they're going to stay put with them? Or is,
you know, this a Gordon Garner pump that we saw in some of the other projects that maybe saw a blip
of, although this is a crazy blip, right? So this is where I'm at. I still think we get some pullback post Gordon by I'm waiting on that,
but it's one I will be buying with conviction. So if it just keeps ripping, I will, I I'm okay
going in a little higher. Um, I do want a, a, for the support. It's something I've been looking at
for a long time and shame on me for not making the move but i i think if they execute half of what
i think they can with the the reach they have i i think jack's targets are realistic so for me
the difference in buying from at 16 or 6 or 26 it's negligible long term where my time horizon's
on i'm not looking to go i'm not looking for a quick 2x flip or anything like that this would
be like one i would be putting some liquidity into for the longterm,
meaning a few years to let the team cook and see where they land.
Well,
here's what's interesting about it.
Cause the question is like,
what's going to drive up value and what's going to make people,
you know,
grab them.
Right.
Because again,
like I think they're adorable.
I think it's great IP.
I think they do a great job,
you know,
on the show.
I'm a big,
I'm a big fan of their content.
Like I truly am.
And we've been talking for a while about doing a crossover show with them.
And I was, you know, DM'd a few times with EZ about it, talked in Art Basel.
So we should probably do that at some point and just kind of like bring them on to talk
Bodogos to the show about what they're doing.
But like, you know, to me, it's like, there's also the question of like, what is your goal
on that, you know, sort of time horizon?
You know, and what is the risk reward you're willing to take?
Because, you know, I've heard people say, you know, I won't say who, but I heard someone say like, hey, I'm going to sell a few when it gets to 50 sold.
And that's my price target for these things.
I, you know, I believe in them and how they do it.
Similar to what you said, like they're out there pumping our bags every day in theory.
And it's like, you know, where it's like a lot of NFT brands, you know, where you have to wait for an announcement or a major brand moment.
And maybe the price goes up if you're playing it financially that way.
In this one, five days a week pumping your bag.
So like there's that.
And they said 50 souls of numbers.
They said that.
But the thing that throws me off, I guess, a bit is, you know, if 50 soul was a price target for someone, which is an astronomical number, right?
Even from where we are now, that's only about a three to four X from
where the current price is. So I guess my question then becomes, if that's a price target, is the
risk reward profile for people high enough that they would want to be buying a bunch here versus
either on a pullback because, or is there another place to look for that? Because a lot of times
you're in deploying that much capital, you know, do you want it to be in something that's going to,
you know, a two X is a great number, but are you looking for those asymmetrical gains? Is it the
right thing to hold or is it steady? Or do you want to go Ritzkeek somewhere else? It's just,
and obviously there's a barbell approach to be had there. Go ahead, Cap.
My other thesis on these, we'll say leading Solana projects, Steve, is I think they'll get
this cycle. I think they're going to get the the Bored Ape Yacht Club treatment from last cycle.
Not that I think that we stop getting perks on ETH, but I think it would be I mean, we're already seeing with this saga, with this phone.
They're already getting the perks for holding this phone.
I think probably, you know, Mad Lads and Klanosauruses and Bodogos, like they're going to get the same treatment.
And I would say even despite having the lower four price, I think it's in range that Bodogos get as much, if not the most of that treatment because of the reach that the team has with their content and their audience.
So it's like I think that, you know, there is going to be a world where because you
hold this asset, you get to mint this or you get this claim, you know, just just a few of the
examples from the last cycle was, you know, a bottle claim that was five figures, a step and
shoe claim that was, you know, multiple ETH, you know, the can't forget about the Arabian camels
that kicked the whole thing off. But, you know, I joke, but I'm dead serious. Like, I want to be holding some of these assets
that I think are going to be at the top of that ecosystem
for the duration of this cycle,
because I think there'll be other opportunities
to realize liquidity events without having to sell the cow.
Yeah, and that's totally fair.
And we'll get back to that on the phone in a minute.
I've been looking at Aquinasaurus for quite some time as well
and have failed each and every time. But go ahead, Jack, get back to that on the phone in a minute i've been looking at uh aquanosaurs for quite some time as well and have uh failed each and every time uh but go ahead uh jack get back
in here yeah honestly cap took the words like directly out of my mouth there i do i do think
a lot of the um like sort of the idea of the phone and why that will run and why people are
paying five thousand dollars for for this thing right now you can definitely attribute to like
the top collections and i think with gordon buying i think that's the the theory that most people have
is that was it that's all that was actually required this is like a little different than
the eef side because of the you know the quality of like drops that people can get on solana but
also just the lack of gas and the fees like to actually drop those tokens and then how
bonk worked like when you look at what happened to bonk it was purely like the main value prop
seemed to be that they dropped that to nftd jens like that's actually how the distribution worked
they found the biggest projects in the collection and i don't think a lot of token distributors
right now the people who are trying to find that
next meme coin and latch onto that rocket ship have realized how bonk have done it like i don't
think that's quite hit not the normies but the crypto and the the shit coin normies who haven't
hit the nft ecosystem yet i don't think they quite know and once that like actually clicks to these
guys it's like oh right so bonk the reason that did a huge run
is because the nft ecosystem on seoul is so tight but actually it's not the nft ecosystem now
um it's not the sole nft ecosystem actually it's just the whole thing like everybody seems to be
aware of seoul now even if they're not completely in it and like the tokens people are buying the
tokens that aren't even on seoul because they're seeing like the opportunities there that's it and now it's like
okay so who do we drop these things to well who is really known about it's like okay you've got
this show that brings just a ton of people on easy is basically the messiah of soul like the
dude that ate soul was just doubling and tripling down people were
calling it the pause blockchain and he was just like so convicted that they dropped the project
when they were still not doing too hot like this uh i i just think there's so many narratives
um i do think tokens is one of them i do think nfts is tokens but it's like bodaga isn't going
to drop a token they don't have to drop a token all the dgens on solar are going to drop the token to bodago's holder it's
like last cycle people got six figure eight point drops from the project this cycle it's going to
be getting five and six figure airdrops from other projects from people who are creating these tokens
and and and it's it's not a vampire attack i don't know what the word is for it but i think
we're going to see more and more of this and you're right jack you nailed it it's like a vampire attack. I don't know what the word is for it, but I think we're going to see more and more of this.
And you're right, Jack, you nailed it.
It's like, I agree with you.
I don't think everyone has realized
exactly where Bonk started
and how it got distributed.
Yeah, it was a little bit of a,
it was in the shadows
because it happened so long ago.
Like the actual drop,
like it happened so, so long ago,
but I think it's fairly proven out at this point that nft mf is
diamond hand like nobody else can but they also talk like no one else can they're also connected
more than any other like buckets of i don't even think like bitcoin and so this is a huge
hot take but i do not think like the maxis of chains have as solid a community and ecosystem that gets past their maxi
chain in the way that the nft space does and i think the way we talk about it on these shows
is just like proven like it just absolutely proves that out you guys had like a thousand people on
your show the other day when uh you know security risk happens like where did like these blockchain
maxis go what show do they go to
that are live shows where you can talk about it there and then what x accounts i'm sure there are
some i'm sure some of them are huge but i just not in the same way does it like filter through
the space that that our information does it's just crazy and for me you know on top of that you also
it's it's not just gordon. Luka owns a ton of these.
I think he's a whale.
I think he owns over 25.
Farouk owns 60 to 80 of the things.
There's people in the EF space who are already completely on board
and they bought them at the one or two sole.
And they ain't selling the things because they didn't buy them to sell them.
They bought them to support this team.
It's just, yeah, i don't want to get too
bullish you know this is nfa and like if you look at my wallet history you will see a graveyard of
me round tripping things like only i could pour one out for all of us that the only reason we
don't have multiple bodogos is due to our lack of soul in our phantom wallets definitely yeah that's
that's like honestly the chat are down bad this morning keep rubbing it in our phantom wallets definitely yeah that's that's like honestly the chat are down bad this
morning keep rubbing it in our wounds jack keep going you're well i'm i'm fortunate for easy
because i had zero faith in soul my my experience the soul was by a youth that was my onboarding
moment watch that thing run up and then watch sam bankman freed just nuke every bit of momentum that that project was getting i just
yeah like i and then obviously we we all know what happened from there and it is not looking good for
for the old frank on on sides of like where he moved those collections to but yeah for me like
my faith was in easy and that was literally it like Like my faith was in like the nifty team,
but I was like, oh, well, he's talked about soul for so long.
Like, obviously they're not moving this thing.
I guess I'm in soul now.
And now it's like, oh, actually, no, I quite like soul.
I did a lot of trade in those Bodogos.
Like it's so much better than ETH in terms of, you know,
if you want to collect to collect
and you don't have to worry
about how much gas you're losing at every single transaction when you're trying to find the right
collection and the right like traits it is so much funner and it's so much easier and that has now
led me into looking at other collections and there were a couple of them at Basel that I'm not going
to announce yet because I've got a bunch of soul staked um where I've actually unstaked it now and I'm just going to degen in and pick up these collections but I just haven't
it takes like five days so I'm not talking about those collections until it hits um but yeah I
like okay cups there you go I I hate being that person so cups were at our basil they they you
know sponsored the d gods house and they were making these coffees they are
like definitely wants to watch the team know what they're talking about they're coming on the show
jack i need to pick some up before you have them on oh you definitely do yeah i think they're at
like two ourselves yeah let's front run ourselves i i love front running myself it's it's the it's
the best thing but those guys literally like they have a whole coffee chain like and they're doing
well and it is good coffee i am the biggest coffee Like, and they're doing well. And it is good coffee.
I am the biggest coffee snob.
And we had coffee at the event.
It is phenomenal.
But they also have cans of, like, ice. Did you try the tonic, tonic-watering coffee in a can?
Yeah, it was amazing.
They have, like, an oat milk latte.
They have a bunch of them.
And they have, like, caramel lattes and all sorts of stuff.
It's, like, a proper business.
Like, they are doing very, very well they were at amsterdam as well um you could find their coffees everywhere there um and yeah they just haven't been talked about at all yet and i think that
that one is and the artwork's great they understand the ecosystem i had an in-depth chat with the
founder he really really knows his stuff um and like yeah that that's all it takes for me so
yeah if you do want to front run again nfa but i do think as other people do go to burdago's first
realize how easy it is and then like go and you know fuck about on that ecosystem they will get
hooked it is a lot easier than eef and i'm still a big fan of eef like i definitely am not like
selling all my bags
and just going full Sol. But yeah, Sol has done me proud this month. It's definitely been a good
month for me. Yeah, you've been on this one and you have been on Bodogos for some time. You've
been telling me for a very, very long time between one and five ETH on those things. Again, I got
in around seven for a couple of them, five to seven. Theoretically, if I bought now, my cost
basis isn't bad. This is called coping and talking yourself
into doing something you shouldn't.
The other thing that I, there's two things
that I want to like potentially hit on here
is like number one, or actually there's so many things
that came from this conversation.
I want to figure out if we can kind of segment these out.
So number one, what Kapan you mentioned
about the airdrops is a really good point
because again, Jack kind of flew over it.
But the way Bonk worked, I just woke up one day with Bonk in my wallet because I had done some action in the phantom wallet.
All of a sudden I have this Bonk, of course.
I swapped that Bonk into USDC or into Solana when it was lower and then sold that into stables.
Terrible move because that would have been a lot more money now.
And instead, I'm losing money on Bonk today, buying it at the all-time Pico Top.
But the idea that you can potentially own a Bodago,
to Cap's point, get an airdrop,
whether it's a Bodago, a Klanosaur,
not saying this will happen,
but all of these different Solana projects,
the Mad Lads, to Cap's point,
if you weren't here in the bull run,
one of the ways that you made money on Apes
was people got you allow lists for random
projects that were trying to take off and they wanted to sort of have a community of like hey
these people tend to be uh they're willing to spend money some of them are going to stick around
some won't but that's okay like can we bring new people into this ecosystem hey let's get these
dgens in here well it's really easy if you have a token to airdrop it on solana on an ecosystem
like that to somebody right so that could happen let alone sort of these allow lists to Cap's point. So it's like, it's the idea of
like, you know, diversifying your bags, you know, and being multi-chain. It's something I've been
talking about for a couple of years, to be honest, and I just haven't done a very good job of it.
And saying, look, let's figure this thing out. So that's thing number one. Thing number two,
and I want to get back to the Solana phone in a little bit just because i i want to get cap's perspective because i know he might switch gears
in 27 minutes but like it worth saying like you know the idea of the solana phone you know being
a disrupting piece of technology is really interesting this is like one of those things
where you know like i wrote 200 plus pages on nfts and blockchain and in no point did i think
that a phone would be something that could be disruptive.
But here we are potentially in the conversation.
So that's interesting.
But before we go there,
I want to get like Jack's take, Cap's take on this.
Jack, I kind of want to get your take, honestly,
like on this first,
because you've been playing in the Solana ecosystem,
playing in the Phantom Wallet.
I've been using the Rainbow Wallet a ton.
I've actually been really enjoying it now.
I've been doing swaps in there
and playing around with that. And I'm probably going to get another little airdrop. And tomorrow, I think, is airdrop
number two towards the rainbow points. I hope this thing doesn't last long, but I hope that there is,
you know, sort of a opportunity there. I'm not like a whale, but I'm not small in that one.
I've been using the FanaWild a little more. In fact, right now, I think I'm doing it correctly
where I'm swapping ETH. Because here's the thing that I'm doing right now so that I can like report back because I haven't done it yet.
I saw Easy tweet about the idea of swapping ETH over to Solana and doing sort of a cross-chain swap.
So I believe the way it works is you swap ETH into USDC on Sol and then you can swap that USDC on Sol into Sol.
So you can do it all right there in the wallet.
So for people who are in the ETH ecosystem, you know, if you're not aware, you need to be careful and make sure you get the right address. You can send ETH to the Phantom
Wallet. You can import your MetaMask there. In fact, they're trying to vampire attack it as we
speak. But you can send ETH directly to your Phantom Wallet, which I've done before. I have
some ETH sitting in there. And then you can swap that, I believe, into USDC and Solana over. So
you have that opportunity. So Jack, I want to get your take. metamask which is seemingly a clunkier more um more it's a much
more clunky sort of uh interface and even though it was first much like openc which we talk about
we wait to be disrupted jack do you think we're going to be end up all switching wallets even in
the highly tech ecosystem and this is sort of the move in the direction towards you know ultimately
wallets that are much more user-friendly like the Phantom, like the Rainbow, and MetaMask will be a thing
of the past?
Oh, yeah.
Like, if you want me to speak nicely about MetaMask, they probably cost me about 30k
earlier this month now because I could not get my Ethereum over to Sol, ironically, during
Amsterdam when I had a theory that Mad Lads and Claynos and basically some of the bigger
events that people were talking about those projects were going to run and I tried to convert
a bunch of ETH to Sol and it just got stuck in this wallet like no explanation just got stuck
there did every like tutorial around how to get this out of the wallet it just didn't it did not
come out and it literally was stuck there for like the whole event um and it was my
hot wallet you know i didn't it didn't have um like my cold wallet funds like available to me
in amsterdam but yeah they they cost me a bomb phantom is so much better like it's way less
clunky um you can like view your nfts you can it's just so much more movable it gives you like
value and it's yeah it's worlds worlds better like
magic eden as well like you know if you're a collector like in terms of like how that works
the royalty system on it and you know basically you have to pay the royalties and the seller
doesn't get charged there's just a ton of stuff going on there i know there's like an
board ape yacht club sort of connection there as. I do think that you could definitely see that.
But yeah, like the idea that MetaMask is still around without a token,
I just don't see it because it sucks as an actual wallet,
like from my experience anyway, and not just from the cost perspective,
but also it's just clunky and realistically, yeah,
just the way it like displays NFTss it caches like so much more
and it's very much like it doesn't display them in the right way never seen it never really seems
to be set up for nfts which is kind of crazy like they never really went down that route um so yeah
like unless they drop a token i think they're they're going in the way of open c and they're
going to be you know the the freaking, what do you call them?
The MySpace of the previous world.
Like we talk about it, we know about it, and we think of them fondly,
but no one fucking uses that thing anymore.
Yeah, I largely agree with Jack.
I think they're going to have to drop a token to just maintain market share
and they'll still bleed out some.
But I think that like dropping a token is probably their only hope
of keeping some through. It's just they haven't haven't i mean it's largely the same tech as
it was in 2021 with small minor incremental enhancements i don't think they've had any
evolutionary enhancements in in the last two three years and others have certainly leapfrogged them
from a ui standpoint also by the way looking at the floor of Bodogos, there is one that's up for 15.21,
that the last sale was 0.021 sold,
probably when sold was like $12.
And I mean, it was probably like 30 bucks
or 20 bucks or something.
But like somebody basically paid like four or five bucks
for this thing and they're selling it for like a thousand.
Like that's a dub.
And that's the only thing we see coming across this
is like, you know, like people, like a lot of people in this room myself and cap
included to a degree are very locked in to the uh ecosystem in eath like not locked in but like
we're much more eath heavy um and we have a little more bias towards eath and we don't want to sell
our big eath bags to get stuff you know some of these big eath runners but at the same time like
i'm more and more looking and being like, okay, like,
do I need three other deeds or do I want to sell another deed and go and convert some of that over
into soul? Do I need, like, I'm having these thoughts in my head about some of the things
that I have, uh, on my, on my ETH, uh, you know, even in my vault where it's like, okay,
if there's some cash to be made here, like, do I want this? Cause right now my plan has been a lot
of what I did. Like when I cashed out on a decent NFT the other day, I, you know, you know, I'm
keeping some of it liquid. And then I put like, you know, 250 bucks into Solana, 250 bucks into
Bitcoin. And that 250 bucks in Solana is staked on Coinbase and it's just running right. That's
all I'm doing with it. I've been like trying to accumulate dollar cost average get myself in a good spot but when i look at like the um sort of what's going on in the solana ecosystem
part of me is like i should probably look and evaluate what i truly want because even i'll
give you an example with the other deeds and this is just my my one take it's like one of the things
i really liked about my other deed is i you know it was my other deed that I got I used it for the first trip I got that shard for the first trip but like is it going to be
unobtainable for me to get a second one to go to second trip or is that something I could like
potentially buy down the line it's sort of the idea of like not saying the other deeds aren't
worth the value but it's the same reason why you know I've sold some of my NFTs recently that were relatively flat because I'm like, okay, do I want to park this here in this NFT?
Or do I want to put this into sort of Bitcoin and Solana, which I think I have a chance to move a little higher.
It's like figuring out like, you know, there's one thing if you're holding for a utility, right?
Like I hold my ape, I have utility.
I hold my, you know, doodle.
I get the utility of that.
Like I enjoy the community there.
It's another thing to say, well, if I'm holding this NFT, but I'm not really using it for
any utility, do I want to cash this thing?
And can that money be best used elsewhere once you start realizing it?
So to me, I'm like playing around with those ideas as far as like what's in my wallet.
You know, it's like, I'm not selling my V friend.
I'm getting a ticket to VCon and I don't even want to play that game.
And I, you know, that one has some personal meaning to me.
It's like, you know, all these different things, but it's like, where are you starting to invest?
And to me, to Cap's point, if we see Solana going a ripper, and if we see some of the wallets besides MetaMask pick up a little bit more of the tech savvy people who maybe don't want to dive over into MetaMask and only use it and switch on the top to switch chains.
Like in my MetaMask, like, I'll be honest, like it's so user not friendly.
It's like when I open my Rainbow Wall and show me all different chains,
I'm like, wait a minute.
I've got like $500 on random chains like spattered throughout.
And then when you go to bridge, you're like,
you don't have enough Polygon to bridge back.
I'm like, okay, so now I need a bridge into Polygon to get this.
It's like the amount of complexities, but the point being like,
and I think adam hollander
tweeted about this um now got his punk pfp known for his ape a little bit but he got a punk pfp that
looks just like him so he has to freaking absolutely rock that but i saw adam tweet about
he's like he like and this is obviously different than me it's like he discovered like 1200 dollars
in polygon or something when he switched over to the rainbow because he was like oh i didn't even
know because metamaskask has some different chains,
the different switchabouts.
It's easy to lose track of this stuff when you're like,
oh, this drops in Arbitrum.
When people were dropping things in Arbitrum and you had to go and find it.
To me, there's little wins to be had there in different wallets
that are a little bit more user-friendly.
And I largely agree.
I mean, whether it's Phantom or Rainbow or some combination of the two.
Rabi's another one getting some love in the comments.
Yeah, like, it just, it feels
like, it feels like there's potential opportunity
for these wallets to take off, and it'll just be
a matter of, and if people are using
them, the platforms will demand them. Now, the question becomes,
again, Metamask
has, you know, denied
any sort of conversations
about tokens early on. The question becomes,
does MetaMask, you assume MetaMask and all these other companies, and I've talked to some of them
in the background that, you know, they're like, in case of emergency, break glass type thing,
they planned or thought about a token. Does MetaMask say, send it, we're doing the token,
and just try to get people back in that way and will that only be a
short-term fix i don't know but you know i said to my point on about the rainbow wallet one of the
reasons i'm using the rainbow wallet for more transactions is because my bags are packed with
metamask if they go back and they look at your historical uh stuff i have two three years of
metamask time spent swaps trades uh you know gas fees everything through metamask, time spent, swaps, trades, you know, gas fees, everything through Metamask, you know, all that stuff.
So, like, with a Rainbow, for example, it's like, now I'm starting to try to use that more because if Metamask does drop a token, pretty comfortable with my activity there.
If Rainbow drops it, you know, pretty comfortable.
So, sort of playing around a little bit with that, but I don't know.
I guess, like, I have another question while we got Jack, because Jack is now a resident soul expert until we have more soul people on the show.
Jack, like, where else do you put your money in the soul ecosystem
if you're, like, poking around?
Because, you know, if someone can't afford a Bodago 15 is a little expensive,
they're probably not going to look at a Klanosaur.
They're probably not going to look at a, you know, a Mad Lad, certainly.
Like, where is, and, you know, we have the guys shilling those nugs that
were smoking joints just to be in the nugs the other day because we could party with leonardo
dicaprio or something you're saying but like what where are we spending where are we uh i didn't buy
any by the way where where are you jack saying this is my next thing that i'm looking because
you called the bodogos where's your next thing you're looking on solana oh it's got to be cups
um i think oogie as well
is like a good one there their team like reached out to me a while ago and was just like hey cups
yes yes okay you p s um which are the guys who you know basically was doing the barista
have the business that is like a coffee shop but they do have an nft that's connected to that and
they're using that in a fun a bunch of different ways i think that's what i'm looking for i'm looking
at either projects that have been around you know through the bear and on soul to be around
through the bear is very different than being around through the bear both absolutely ridiculous
but i think the soul like the capitulation on soul was literally you know frank moving to a different chain like it was like the name it would be like yuga going best go to bitcoin
it was like very very heavy obviously spf and stuff as well and there are collections where
these guys have just been running and now they do have like secondary drops as well with like
entries that aren't ridiculous famous fox i don't know enough about these days they have like secondary drops as well with like entries that aren't ridiculous famous fox i don't
know enough about these days they have like foxy swap um but they have like collections that are
like secondary collections as well um i but realistically yeah i am not like heavy heavy
into soul as of yet and so i'm the last person to ask like my my information comes purely from
either the bodoggos discord i on like what else am i picking
up or it's come from when we were at basil and we just were around a bunch of soul mfers because
even like d gods even with bodogos like there's a bunch of people who are massive on soul soul
big brain was at the d gods event which is like a huge name but there's a bunch of others and and
and easy as well like easy to obviously know the stuff in that ecosystem so
yeah if you want like a one or two soul entry i think my my money is on salt and on cups um
outside of that i'm looking at those bigger collections and looking at their secondary
drop so um you know you've got soul monkey business and stuff as well um smbs there's um
they have like a gen 2 gen 3 now and um famous fox as well i'd need to do a bit
more research on and the only other ones i can think of off the top of my head which is probably
a no-go at this point is cats um and okay bears have done some really interesting things so i did
pick up an okay bear and they ended up in zara like across the you know across the world um they
did like a really really similar pudgy sort of style thing where they're,
and they also partnered with Red, the charity ecosystem.
Like, you know, they're definitely broadening their reach outside of the space.
And they, yeah, they are doing very, very good things.
So yeah, they're probably the ones that I sort of have an eye on but i'm definitely looking to get a little bit more involved and the only other one
i would shout out for cap and again this is really front running i haven't bought any of these and but
it's d stables and so there is something similar to zed run on soul which is like literally you
know like horse racing um and there is a community of D-Gods who basically pulled 100k back in the day.
Aaron D-Gods, who's still a member of the D-Gods team,
who runs all the events, is the one who sort of set up this project.
And I believe now that that runs very, very well
to the point where the token that they own is in like the millions of dollar range.
They literally have just absolutely crushed it.
And apparently the tokenomics are a little bit, I'm not sure if better is the right word,
but yeah, they definitely seem to have got a lot of attention over there.
So yeah, DeStables is another one.
I think that they have like a token that's at like five or six sold right now.
But when you look at like the amount of funds they're running, like the think that they have like a token that's at like five or six sold right now but when you look at like the amount of funds they're running like the horses that they have
it's got like breeding it's got like a whole ecosystem that i don't understand the only thing
i do understand is that they've made a fortune on the token they hold like a good portion of like
the top top horses for for breeding and for racing um yeah, they just seem to be absolutely crushing it at the moment.
Steve, Cap, you both met Aaron
at the D event.
So you guys know him a little bit now,
but he's an absolute goat as well.
And I'm big in the Sol ecosystem
and they've got a bunch of D gods
who remain very, very tried and true
to the Sol ecosystem,
even when all the movement was happening.
And yeah, they definitely seem to be
doing some good stuff too.
Yeah, it's a good, Cap. I stuff too. Yeah, it's a good cap.
I was going to say, it's good to hear.
Like I, you know, I'll poke around and some of them
and definitely want to be supportive where I can of the various,
especially if you're sponsoring a D-Gods party,
that's super interesting.
If you're hanging out there and seeing sort of, you know,
like you said, cups and it looks like they have another collection
with beans of some sort.
So I don't know. It's interesting.
Yeah, I'll go the cups route before.
I'm sure the horse racing game is great.
They also have photo finish over on Solana.
I've got a little PTSD from Zed,
so probably not getting into any more horse racing in the NFT space unless Zed pumps, and then I'll absolutely move some liquidity over.
Cap, what do you think the chances,
I want to switch gears and ask you a question on this one.
What are the chances,
having worked in the mobile world as well,
what are the chances you think the sole phone
or something, I guess, similar
can actually disrupt the mobile industry
with things like AirDrop, direct sort of marketing,
things that could be coming from people who are using them?
And how do you think Apple and Android respond to that?
I think it's extremely unlikely.
Probably pure opium.
It doesn't even begin to dent Apple.
I mean, they can do whatever they want.
I mean, if it really did start to gain some attention,
they could launch their own wallet.
Like, I just, yeah, I don't think so.
They're just, they're so big,
and it would take a Herculean effort to unseat them
and even start capturing a little bit of the market share
they've gobbled up.
Do you think it pushes them into needing to do something,
though, I guess would be the question there.
And I ask that because it's interesting.
When you look at the top companies by market cap in the 80s, none of them are still the top market cap companies.
Even the 90s, a lot of them are not even remotely close to there.
And so now we have these top market cap companies of the Apples, the Apples, the Facebooks, the Metas, or the Googles, like those of the world. I guess like the question there becomes like, do you think there is a chance that this like that, you know, there's something that like, will Web3 potentially disrupt those big players? Or do you think Apple like, it seems like hubristic to say based based on historically what's happened every couple of decades,
but do you think Apple still will be poised to sit on top?
Do you think we've had a change in the environment?
No, I don't.
In the US anyways,
potentially in some international markets
where Apple is not the leader,
I think it might be more primed for disruption.
But I think Apple learned from those predecessors
you mentioned of the 80s,
and they've just simply built a much better mousetrap. Apple customer is an extremely sticky customer because it's not just a device. They become the digital hub. It's the hub for so many of us that moving away from Apple would be not just moving away from my iPhone.
It'd be moving...
Like, interoperability, yeah, is kind of a thing.
It just doesn't work nearly as well
when you're trying to interoperate non-Apple devices
compared to the near seamless interoperability
across Apple devices in the connected home.
It's just...
They've built a very sticky ecosystem,
and that's why, no, I don't think they're the least bit concerned.
I don't think this will ever be disruptive to them
unless they choose they want to get in the space.
I don't think it'll impact Apple whatsoever.
It could lead to some exciting developments
in other international markets, but not in the US, I don't think.
Yeah, no, I'll be curious to see if it eventually goes that direction, though,
or to your point, I would, again,
I think what's going to be interesting to
see is at at some point are we going to see you know one of these large um sort of companies
like an apple or an android acquire a phantom acquire a rainbow and and sorry you just reminded me like the thing i don't think we've
seen anyone talk about i mean i've seen a few people tweet about their own personal mining
but not just the claims that come with this this saga phone you can mine the mobile token you know
dollar sign mobile and you know i've seen people making it at first, it was like $10 a day. Now it's ripped up to
$17 a day. The idea of your phone serving as a node and enabling you to mine crypto,
it's like, yeah, that checks out. And while that may be a certain select nerd percentage
of the population like us, I think that... Again, this is why I'm kicking myself because
all these thoughts went through my head when I first saw the Solana phone.
I'm like, ah.
At first, I was like,
why would a blockchain need a phone?
And then I started thinking about
what you could do with it from an app standpoint,
what you could do with the processor standpoint.
I'm like, hmm, I get it.
Just, again, I wasn't in the mode.
I wanted to be doing that sort of stuff.
I didn't feel like investing the time in it.
But in hindsight,
I should just follow my intuition and roll with it. Because I think there's a real opportunity
there as a niche product, but no, I don't think it'll be disrupting Apple.
Yeah. Yeah. That's your point. Apple's super acquisitive and they tend to be
getting out in front of stuff like this. So I think with Apple, it's like, again,
I was using Siri as an example. People think Siri was just this native Apple product that's been on since the beginning,
which is hilarious because I remember the old school.
I remember all the old school Apple apps that were just absolutely like crap.
And there's no Siri.
And, you know, I had the very first iPhone.
I still do upstairs somewhere.
I just I wish I kept it in the box, be worth a whole lot more.
But I actually use it as a phone.
Sort of like when people are like, you're wearing your Tina J's around, uh, around Miami. I'm like, I don't know,
I buy shoes to wear them. That's probably dumb. Um, but when I look at like something like a,
uh, you know, an Apple, I do think the opportunity to be acquisitive to a web three wallet seems to
make sense. I do think the idea that they could potentially be acquisitive to, uh, you know,
again, I, I always go back to token proof or something to that degree where, you know, creating sort of this seamless ability to have all of your things. dropping NFTs as commemorative event,
sort of souvenirs,
or it's almost like getting a program
or the t-shirt from the concert,
eventually tickets are going to be on the blockchain.
Eventually, that's going to be a thing.
I can't see any other way this happens with software.
So when that happens,
Apple's going to need software to do it.
So I think something like that,
as well as something that lets you have your crypto a little more seamlessly um i don't know they probably would
just like acquire coinbase or something because it's like yeah and it's probably like it's probably
like two three four or five years out like apple's not a first market mover like they they will wait
let you know historically it's let android or samsung develop something and then they'll add
it two or three generations later and everyone will think apple invented it um you know they
just they're they're very good at doing that. Steve,
you mentioned tickets. You made me think we had so much going on
in the cold open. Yeah, I
actually ran it back. We went to
NCAA volleyball championships last
night. Went to the Final Four last Thursday
and did not have tickets to the finals. Was not planning
on going, but we had such a good time on
Thursday night. We decided to go,
just took my daughter, Sadie,
who just waved by.
She's got exam week this week,
so she's off to a late start at school.
Would love to have a commemorative ticket from that.
It was a really cool event.
We've got photos, sure,
but all I had was a digital ticket
in the Ticketmaster account,
which may be the most I've ever paid for sporting tickets for two.
I'm trying to think back. I've been to Super Bowl and World Series, but those were tickets
that were won or gifted to me. I don't know if I've ever dropped hard cash on tickets.
I played the game of chicken and we knew we were going to go Friday. We're like,
we should go back Sunday,
look at tickets and they're like 86 bucks.
And she had some friends that would went to the semifinals and they waited until last minute,
right.
When the games tipped off and they ended up buying floor seats for like 60
bucks where we were sitting in a note.
We had bought tickets actually during the ticket drop and we're sitting up in
the,
in the top,
you know,
upper deck.
And it paid more for that just for the official tickets.
Well,
they waited till after,
you know, the games had started and people were flooring their leftover tickets, so to speak.
I thought, hey, I can play this game. It's kind of like my NFT trading.
So we drove down to downtown Tampa last night a little earlier. We'll go grab some food and then we'll buy tickets as it gets closer to tip-off. Certainly, they'll go down in price.
Steve, in a couple days, they went from $86.
Guess what I paid?
Ended up having to pay for tickets is that I did not win the game of chicken.
Oh, I don't know.
I couldn't even begin to guess because I'm terrible at this, and I don't play the ticket game.
How much did you pay?
It ended up being a little over $500 with the fees.
And it was like, that was a steal come tip off because someone had...
We're watching the groupings of two tickets and they were being priced up to $400 or $500
each to get two tickets together. And I'm like, well, certainly there's just too many
listed at this price point. Certainly some of them have to start dropping as it gets closer.
Fortunately, I ended up getting both of us in for about 500 bucks. But it was...
I definitely took the L in the ticket brokerage game because I could have got in for $200 had I picked them up even just a day prior.
But my whole point being, the long story short, was it's inevitable.
I would love to have a POAP from that event without having to go claim or create it.
POAP from that event without having to go
claim or claim. It just should be
It just should be connected to my wallet.
connected to my wallet. It's like, hey, congratulations.
Texas just won their back-to-back
national championships.
You attended the
record attendance for
a women's championship game
of all time. There were several
things they could commemorate.
I do think that
women's volleyball, volleyball
in general, is set up for an extreme bull run.
I think it will be the women's sport.
I think it will suppress soccer
within the next decade.
And to see it at this moment,
I think it was a pretty cool experience.
Especially if it does take that trajectory,
my daughter who plays competitively,
it would be cool to look back
and have not just our photos,
but that,
that piece of memorabilia from,
from the game where the only physical item we have is a,
or physical item is a,
she got a t-shirt,
right.
But nothing else to commemorate our national championship game.
Yeah,
that is,
that's,
and that's one of the things that I think is interesting is,
you know,
you know,
we're,
we're talking about like potentially I'm meeting with Scott today know, we're, we're talking about like, potentially I'm meeting with Scott today,
like we're, we're working through compliance and everything, but maybe having like this
thing where, you know, buy the book, uh, get in an, you know, if you bought the book or
if you buy the book at NFT, we're talking about doing like an NFT drop where, you know,
you can buy the NFT and get a book that comes with it.
And also potentially, you know, trying to figure out a way if we can go back and find
the people who have previously bought and get them, you know, sort of allow us to
get like an early supporter NFT type thing that they're able to claim.
But what's interesting about it is like, to me, it's like, and they would be soul bound.
And a lot of people might say, oh, well, you know, if it's soul bound, what does that do
for you?
You know, you can't sell it or whatever.
It's like the same way a book sits on your bookshelf.
It would be like a digital book sitting on your digital bookshelf.
And I think for,
you know,
the sort of thing like commemorating like the NCAA tournament,
like it could be soul bound.
It might not even need to be soul bound.
Like maybe it's sold because there'll be,
you know,
sports memorabilia markets down the line for things like that.
But,
you know,
to you,
it's not about like wanting to sell this thing or this assets value.
It's about,
you know,
and down the line, I think, you know, it's the opportunity to have this thing or this assets value. It's about, you know, and down the line,
I think, you know, it's the opportunity to have this thing placed into a wallet. It's the
opportunity for you to take a selfie with your daughter and then put it attached to the NFT
for you to be able to see forever. It's a way for you to write something about your memory of that
and being like, you know, you could write down the story of how you tried to play the ticket
market and ended up paying 500 instead of 80 bucks for this thing. And this is what happened.
And you could write that as a story in it.
And you attach that to this memory.
And we've talked about IYK, who we had in the show, who's doing things like that.
Like the digital diaries that you're able to keep on chain are really interesting.
And so the idea that you would get a commemorative sort of piece that would go with it. The idea that you would be
able to then attach things to it is one of the interesting applications of NFTs that have nothing
to do with you people making moon bags, like we were talking earlier today, or trading bonk or
getting Solana phones. It's about the idea that this software can actually make things a little
more easy where, you know, again, like I have programs from, you know, uh, games that I went
to physical programs that I hold in my hand. Well, you know, if there's a leak, a water leak in or
a flood in my basement, those are ruined. If I have them on chain and that's how they distribute
them and it becomes more digital, they're not, I can display them in all digital spaces. They're
portable across them. So it's just, there's opportunities that I think people are potentially
missing there. Um, and I agree with you. I think it makes a lot of sense. Um, Ke just, there's opportunities that I think people are potentially missing there.
And I agree with you. I think it makes a lot of sense. Cap, I need to check. Are you switching
gears at 930? Thumbs up if you are, thumbs down if you are not. I'm going to say Cap is switching
gears at 930. I don't know. Oh, shit, I'm here. I thought you were doing my bad.
I'm here.
I thought you were doing my bad.
I was going to say, I didn't know if you switched gears at 930 because I was going to say,
because I was going to say, you know, could be a place to plug it
because Monday is crazy as we start to get going into the Christmas,
where we got a Christmas for a lot of people.
Like I said, may or may not be on the show on Christmas.
And again, like hit a lot of different topics this morning.
Anything else you want to cover cap actually?
Because I'm okay kind of pinning it in case we miss anything.
So we had talked about the hack, talked about Solana Phone, talked about bodogos and that run that gordon goner started
about whether we're buying or not i'm going to be keeping an eye on them and if there's a pullback
maybe i'll get another one on the pullback if i think it finds a stable floor uh any anything
else on your mind this morning yeah i think it pretty well covers it. Big show tomorrow, special guest.
As I mentioned, I'll repin the carousel so you can hit that reminder easily.
We obviously have Midnight Crisis this afternoon
at 4 p.m. Eastern here on Spaces.
That is also linked up above.
But don't miss tomorrow's show.
It's going to be an exciting one.
We've got a few other guests this week,
and then we wrap it up with a mega panel on on friday uh that we'll be having some giveaways for so and unless steve also tells all
of our other uh guest speakers and panelists uh not to attend because he's scared they're they're
scamming him um i kid i was gonna say i'll tell our guests tomorrow i'll be like giant scam are
you coming on our show like i'm gonna make a big deal about it although with our guests you know
likely tomorrow i'm not super worried about that. But, um,
yeah, some guests. I'm looking forward to that mega panel though. And, uh, and having that
security conversation and understanding sort of a little bit from the folks who are, um, you know,
deep in it on the ground so that we can pay attention because, uh, you know, I can't remember
if it was, um, while a guard who was saying, and somebody was saying like, you know, I can't remember if it was Wallet Guard who was saying and somebody was saying like, you know, I wish that my tweets and the things that I do surrounding, you know, I wish that the tweets and the things that I do surrounding security got as much attention when there aren't hacks.
Because, you know, that's something that I think that always happens is we have hacks.
We discuss it.
People care.
You know, we had a room of we had 5000 people in and out on our security episode.
Right.
But like yet here we are, you know, week later, and we'll see how Friday does,
but people will probably already be on to the next thing and trying to look for moon bags.
So just be careful out there and keep an eye on what you're doing.
With that said, Cap, I think that's as good a place as any to kind of wrap it.
Like I said, busy day for me, busy week ahead of a little bit of travel next week
and then on into the new year.
And next thing you know, it's 2024
and we are on to another year,
hopefully another bull market
with the happening approaching
and NFTs hurting to heat up.
Rates going low.
So people are spending money
because money is cheap.
So we'll see where it goes.
That said, Cap, any other parting thoughts
before we run this thing out?
Go for it. We'll see everyone tomorrow at 8 o'clock appreciate everyone coming by
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