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Exploring DeSci Funding with Pump.Science
Recorded: June 11, 2025 Duration: 1:09:18Space Recording
Short Summary
Pump Science is gearing up for an exciting launch of 17 new compound tokens, marking a significant project development in the D-Sci space. The conversation highlights trends in AI and DAOs, a shift in VC funding dynamics, and the importance of community engagement in driving scientific research forward.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Hello, hello.
Welcome back to the D-Sign Mic.
Super stoked to have Pump.Science here with us this week.
Also, Merrick, welcome.
Super glad to see you as well and excited to dive in.
This is Aaron McGinnis, as usual, behind the account.
Thanks, Aaron. Glad to be here and pop in when I can
really excited for this week's episode
yeah should be
an awesome conversation
also super excited to hear
some updates that
I think were just announced
for the first time
or at least get to hear
it straight from the source here.
So yeah, Pump.Science, Benji, are you behind the account right now?
You best bet.
Fresh off.
Oh my gosh, welcome.
Welcome.
Thank you so much for having us.
I really appreciate it.
How are you living?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Super glad to have you on.
Want to hear all the updates from DCI Berlin as well. And super glad to have you here. years. I would say just in terms of like, you know, last year versus this year, I would say,
you know, of course, much more talk about AI, a lot more like AI, XD sci projects, a lot more DAOs
looking at different like research areas. You know, there's a DAO for everything at this point.
I think that's so cool. That's how it should be. You know, just different people who have different interests and problems I want to solve testing out the waters. So I mean, like,
is it a freaking sleep down now? There's a dick down. I was like, didn't even think you could
make dows out of some of these ideas. So anyway, that's been interesting. And then, yeah, I would
say a lot less VC presence here than in prior years.
You can decide if that's good or bad, but it just is.
But yeah, definitely a ton more scientists.
But yeah, a lot of good energy, I would say.
Like our talk was at the end of the second day.
So I wasn't expecting vibes to be that hot.
You know, I was expecting, you know a much smaller crowd, much less energy, but
it felt like people were pretty locked in. So super exciting. And yeah, wish you were
here, fam. Come next year.
Amazing. Yeah, I'll definitely try to come through next year. I was planning to come
up that way, but then other things in life happened so wasn't able to make it but were there a lot of
like crypto folks there or more scientists uh you said there's not quite as many like trad investors
but was there more like retail investor trader interest or just like a lot more science folks yeah i'm man i wish i
could give you some data on this like properly answer that question um i can try get that from
the organizers for you i mean it's a super interesting question and like all i can go
off right now is anecdote of like the people that i talk to but anecdotally yes like i sat next to
this guy who was like the first i ever heard of dsai was riffing euro i bought him you know that
got me interested in dsai and here i am you know he's otherwise just like a normal trader um and
like builder uh in crypto very much a crypto generalist um but yeah honestly like i was
preparing for the talk for so much i wasn't really like talking to a ton of people.
But yeah, I would say like, there definitely were some people I spoke to a few that are
just, you know, generalist crypto.
I mean, it's a blockchain week in Berlin.
So yeah, I think people are probably just like trickling in, look at the schedule, you
know, CT side and like, you know, wander their way in. But it's certainly not
the majority by any means. Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's great that people from some of these
sister spaces of either general crypto or science are finding their way into more and more
DCI events. So that's awesome. Yeah, the room look packed from all of the different pictures I saw
and different notes I got from folks saying that energy was good and good events. So that's great.
and good events. So that's great.
Cool. What do you have on the agenda, fam? Where should we go?
I mean, main agenda is you and what's happening with Pump.Science.
One thing that I would love to just kind of hear some of the story on is
like how did Pump.science come to be? Like how has it evolved over time? How has it also evolved
with like shifting interests and crypto? Would love to just hear kind of the origin to grow up story so far.
No, I appreciate that. Honestly, it would take a while to give it justice.
You know, Jillian and I, of course, this would be a long call.
You know, Jillian and I have been in the trenches, painfully so, for a long time.
But the origin story was really beautiful, actually. I would say it was
like a lot of conversations between Jillian and myself, just kind of taking a step back
at looking at the Desai space and seeing, you know, what does Desai need and what does the
crypto market want and trying to meet those two in the middle. So I think we took kind of a kind of a practical look at it.
We're just like, what is already working in crypto that we can kind of redirect
to science, right?
And so I don't think it was much more complicated than that.
And we tried to build the thing that did that.
Um, and so I think from the D size space, you get a lot of criticism for that because,
um, you know, the projects that are working in crypto just get a lot of criticism.
I think, you know, for whatever reason, but I think we just wanted to see like, okay, if we want to build a sustainable project here that is able to sustain itself financially, like we have to, you know, build in designs that are already working.
financially, we have to build in designs that are already working because we're not smart
enough to innovate on the tokenomics layer. Or we're going to have to apply what's working
to this new application. So that was kind of like the mindset that we went into going
on this. Practically speaking, I've been wanting to build on Solana for a while. I've been begging the Molecule team and the bio teams to build on Solana.
No one really would.
And so I was like, screw it.
We'll just do it ourselves.
And kind of presented the project to Molecule leadership while I was working there.
And said, hey, can we build this idea I have on Solana? They said, you can,
but you can't use Molecule's tech team. And so I said, okay, we'll go get a grant from the Sol
Foundation. The Molecule leadership team definitely helped secure that grant. They
absolutely were integral in that, but we got it. We pitched it to the Solana Foundation and they
absolutely loved it. I've got this picture of all of them in the room, just like smiling their faces off. Like they were like, this is
exactly what you should build. And that gave us the confidence to really lean in and build the
prototype. And so in two weeks, we built the entire prototype, which was really just like
data streaming worm experiments. And we launched at a break point and it was so much fun.
I mean, like I wasn't there, Jillian wasn't there, Paul was there.
Paul was the one who gave the talk, like, you know, announcing it, explaining what it was.
And we launched two tokens, Riff and Euro, one for each of the two compounds that was being tested on the worms.
And, you know, the DGens, you know, ate it up. You know, we launched
the tokens on Pump1. They bonded within 15 minutes. And we had users within, you know,
15 minutes of going on chain. And they were in our telegram and, you know, just talking about
science and the data that was coming out and talking about the worms dying and, you know,
which one is working scientifically. Oh, we'll bid that one up. Oh, Rift worked better. That one should be more
valuable. They were doing the things that we wanted them to do in such a beautiful way without
us having to tell them that it was kind of like a sign to us, like we really need to build on this.
There's something here. And so we just kept grinding. And look, the tokens died. I mean,
they went from a million market cap to 10k market cap. And the community was so pissed at us. And
look, we bought no tokens, we sold no tokens. We wrote it up, we wrote it down, it was a wild ride.
And then you know, we're back at, you know, 10k market cap, like nothing. But some of the community members remained and helped us end up going viral
once we did. So anyway, we spent some time, built the fly streaming protocol. So we streamed fly
experiments for the same drugs that we tested on the worms. And then, you know, Bangkok happened
and there was a D-Sai day where CZ and Vitalik showed up and we already had the fly
experiment streaming. And so I think, you know, people were looking at, okay, DCI is the next
vertical. What are the projects that are actually legit within the space? And, you know, like we
were, we were the first project on Solana that was in DCI. So got very lucky there. And yeah, I think people came to our site in roves.
At our peak, we were at like 30k site visitors a day.
Like almost broke our application.
Luckily, we had like some good infra.
And yeah, I mean, the tokens flew.
And that really built a lot of the community that's now lasting with us today.
Anyway, I think you can get into like the rest of the story. I'll stop there. Sorry for rambling. I hope
that was mildly entertaining. Super entertaining. Yeah. My next question at that point was,
what was something you learned from going a bit viral and kind of this sudden influx of interest and
exactly what you might have hoped for and wanted, but maybe coming at you faster than
you might have been initially prepared to handle. Any learnings from that?
Oh my god, again, could just go on for hours but um we'll try keep
it brief we weren't ready you know i think kind of like as you're alluding to like we had basically
been alive for like a month before the whole thing took off and we didn't have the systems in place
to truly start the flywheel. Meaning when we had all the
attention is when we should have launched a bunch of new compounds and started a bunch of science
and channeled all of the energy that was now pointed at us to just screen a bunch of compounds
for lifespan and really create productive lasting outputs from the leading attention that you get.
So yeah, I would say like you have to strike
when the iron is hot and be prepared for that.
And we weren't just in total transparency.
Like we just did not have the time to prepare.
And then I think number two is just like,
I mean, we learned a huge security lesson.
Like, our site got hacked twice.
Like, that sucked.
You know, in the process of trying to build quickly,
like, you know, there's only so many hours in the day,
only so many development hours that, you know,
the developers can work on.
And, you know, they were trying to build new features.
And, you know, they weren't 100 percent focused on making the entire app security tight. And so another big lesson is like, if you don't focus on security,
A, people will exploit it if you go viral and B, like you will lose trust. And so we have,
you know, spent a lot of effort trying to repair
trust that was broken because we didn't put a huge focus on cybersecurity because we were just
trying to shit fast and break things. And terrible, terrible people are out there trying to,
you know, take advantage of your attention and exploit you. And, you know, we got exploited
and that's fully on us. And we've since gotten a ton of audits, both on the front
end and on the smart contracts. And so, yeah, that was another massive lesson. So strike when
the iron's hot. Yes, you can move fast and break things, but if the foundation and the defense
isn't strong, it will be exploited. Many more, but those are probably the two biggest.
more, but those are probably the two biggest. Definitely. I mean, we are in crypto. So
that second point, I think, should definitely sink in for anyone else listening in.
To the first point, though, of being more prepared, is that mostly just around having
some more of the different molecules and things that you were
interested in testing, like ready to go, or what else might have been under that umbrella of being
prepared when like to strike? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like, we should have had an on-chain
protocol built, right? Like when we went viral, all we were, were two tokens launched on
pump fund and, you know, data streaming from scientific experiments. Like we weren't frankly
prepared to like, you know, release a protocol into the world that could sustainably fund science,
right? Like we just, that, that is what we've since created,, you know, now we have to regenerate momentum. Because, you know,
we generated it before we had the protocol. So yeah, I mean, it's really that it's just like,
we didn't have the on chain protocol in place to channel all of the, you know, trading volume at
that would have, you know, basically funded all this research.
And again, we didn't really buy tokens and, you know, because we didn't want to have the pressure of selling them. And so, you know, that's not how we want to operate where, you know,
pump and dumps, we would rather create a protocol where, you know, the market curates,
which compounds should get funding and, you know, just help coordinate the experiments. And so,
yeah, I mean, like we were basically beholden to these two compounds
that we launched by the community because we didn't have a lot more coming
because we didn't have the on-chain protocol to support it.
So, and we just, honestly, we just didn't think it would go that viral that fast, frankly.
So, yeah, like I think that's it.
Like we weren't, we were thinking
step-by-step when we should have been building for like, you know, we should have built everything
all at once. I think, you know, just like being in DSI, like you kind of have to try things out
and experiment because it's so expensive to build things that, you know, we took kind of like a
cost-efficient, time- time efficient route. And yeah,
the consequence was we didn't have the protocol that we should have built initially
ready when the tension hit us. Hope that makes sense.
Definitely does. Do you have any other thoughts in terms of what helped you go viral, make it into the broader crypto mindshare space?
Obviously, CZ and Vitalik tweeting and having in-person presence last fall helped a lot.
But are there other things from your perspective that really were additional factors at play as well?
I mean, it is hard to pinpoint it to any one thing.
But I think the saying of like, you make your own luck kind of holds here,
which is like, we had conviction on an idea
and that we really thought that would resonate with people.
And yeah, we were just in the right place at the right time. And
so there is a lot of luck involved. I do not want to discount that. We would not have gone
viral without many things out of our control happening. But we did make sure that if those
things happened, that people would look at us. And so, yeah, I think, you know, we did the hard work, you know,
stayed focused, built what we thought was right.
And luckily it resonated with people because of, you know, things outside
of our control hitting.
So, um, yeah, I really think it's like the combination of just like head down
building, like build like hell and sell like hell and just get lucky.
It's the combination of those
that were the winning formula.
Definitely.
And yeah, having things ready,
having things live with the worms and everything
when people's attention were pointed this direction,
I think were key elements
to be able to help you capture
a bit more of that attention as well um you guys sit at a really interesting intersection between
like the I guess maybe a bit more traditional science type of approach of some of the other DSI projects,
or just traditional science in general, and like crypto, more DGEN type culture.
Sitting in this intersection, how are you balancing both of those kind of sides of the equation,
both of those kind of sides of the equation, different types of people who might be attracted
or interested in what you're doing. Because I feel like you have a much bigger balancing game
than probably any other DSI project. Yeah, it's hard for sure. I think that the route that we have decided to kind of lean in on
is bringing in the turbo traders into our token ecosystem. I think we're going to,
you know, if it's a balancing act and we have to, you know, lean into one side or the other,
that's who we're going to lean into because there are lots of great ideas out there scientifically.
We're going to lean into because there are lots of great ideas out there scientifically, you know, like we're talking to a ton of labs across the world that are focused on longevity that have great ideas.
And I mean, they can just fart out ideas.
What's the scarce resource is the funding to make it happen.
And that's why they haven't progressed right now.
So we would rather lean into where the funding comes from and just make the market that way.
So it's pretty easy for us to get supply.
The limiting factor is demand.
And so we would rather give the demand side what they want
and listen to them, focus on them.
And that's kind of why we have the persona that we do.
It's very intentional. And it's with trying to meet our users where they
are, speak their language, and just practically look at like, who is going to, you know, bring
Sol on game day. And, you know, there's a lot of like biohackers and scientists who think that our
project is interesting, but they're not going to show up on the day to the, you know, there's a lot of like biohackers and scientists who think that our project is interesting, but they're not going to show up on the day to the token launch.
Right. They're just going to sit back and watch and be like, oh, that's interesting.
We have to go for the people that are going to show up and are going to pay attention and, you know, click the sign transaction button.
And those are turbo traders. Right? And we're, we're leaning
into them and we're trying to speak to them. And that's what a lot of like the memetics that we
push forward is all about. It's not like, because, you know, we're not taking this seriously. We're
just trying to speak the language of the users that we're trying to appeal to. So yeah, hope
that makes sense. And yeah, that's, there's plenty of other DCI projects focused on the other side of the spectrum. And we want to be one that's, you know, focused on this side.
basically crypto degen type speak uh so kudos to you guys on on that front um and and being able to
connect with a much broader audience that way and also introduce dsci into their vocabulary um so
then they can dive into what you guys are doing as well as all the other cool things such as what was all presented the past few days at
DCI Berlin. And I know you guys had some presentation and sharing different updates
there. Would love to be able to hear a recap of some of that here as well.
Yeah, you got it. I'm also just seeing that Priy got acquired by um stripe that's crazy um interesting
yeah i don't know all right i know like the whole team there like we were early customers of theirs
that's so crazy um anyway so yeah like at the end of the day, pump science is basically like the way I think
about it is it's basically like a supplement company or biotech company that's trying to
filter through all these potential chemicals that could be valuable, you know, gem hunting
through, you know, vast chemical space where each compound that's in the pipeline is tokenized.
And so, you know, we've only really tested five compounds
and there's a lot more to go.
And we have to be a launch pad
where we're increasing the throughput
through the whole system.
And I think that's what, you know,
not only will push the science forward
and push our mission forward,
but it's also what our users want.
Like a lot of them have been in our telegram asking when the next launches are.
A lot of what has product market fit in crypto is like the promise of, you know, a thousand
X, right?
Like that's why people keep going back to pump fund, even though, you know, it's just
a God forsaken place.
They, the hope of that thousand X is so valuable that, you know, I mean that, that value is being shown in, you know, how much revenue pump funds banking.
And so, um, yeah, it's what our users want.
It's what pushes our mission forward.
And so we have to launch more compounds.
And so, you know, imminently, you know, maybe next week, maybe the week after, um, but it's imminent.
We're going to be launching more compounds, um, on our launch pad.
Uh, they will be part of our protocol.
Um, and the trading volume will go to
fund the research. And yeah, like there will be a combination of compounds people have heard before.
We just announced the compound list at DeCyberLyn, so you can go check it out.
But, you know, one of them is like caffeine. You know, what does caffeine do to lifespan?
Super interested to see myself, like how, like what the effects are there.
So there are things that, you know, maybe you've heard of, and there's maybe things that you have not exactly heard of, but you should know about.
Right. So I think we're going to get into, you know, mimetic compounds where people have heard about them and, you know, they go viral for their memetic value um but there's also going to be some that we hope you know become you know well known because of how effective they
are and you know we make a splash and you know make discoveries um that make compounds go viral
that people literally have no idea about um and so this can be a cool vector for people to learn
about what works and you know it's kind of like the new type of publishing where, you know, data drives attention, you know, the price drives the attention
and yeah, ideally the two are tied where, you know, the price of the token bottoms out at the,
at the value of the data. But yeah, so we announced the full list of compounds and yeah,
should be launching them soon.
We don't have an exact date yet.
You'll know as soon as we do.
But yeah, markets are markets.
So we got to make sure that the timing is right.
Things seem to be looking good right now.
But yeah, we got a lot of things to get in order before launch.
But yeah, we've put in a lot of hard work.
Things are looking great um
every you know everything's audited uh really looking strong um it's just about getting the
distribution right you know getting the word out to people why they should participate in this why
they should care what's in it for them i think those are you know kind of the key messages that
we need to spread um if we're to go viral again and actually channel all the energy to research this time.
Amazing.
Yeah, I know a lot of people have been really excited about some of the different things
kind of lined up in the works there and have been waiting for when are the next
molecules, drugs being launched on there. So this is a super exciting update and I'll definitely be
keeping my eyes open for when all of that is going live. And I think there were a couple other comments down below,
or I know other people have asked previously as well
of just what that timeline looks like.
But your point about making sure it's timed nicely with the market,
as well as from just like a security
and making sure things are properly in place
are two really essential elements
to actually pushing some of these discoveries
and research forward in more effective ways.
So it's all a good balancing act
and you guys seem to be balancing it pretty well.
No, I appreciate it.
And like, trust me, no one's like,
let's go, let's go, let's go more than us.
Like we just want to freaking launch this thing. real but you gotta make sure everything's right before you do um on
every level and i mean like this is both the technical stuff and the non-technical um you
know the awareness um just making sure that like we can make as big of a splash as possible um you
know we're playing in the attention game.
X, Twitter, is basically a war zone for attention.
And attention is becoming the most scarce resource.
More valuable than oil.
It's just, it is everything.
And unless you can properly get attention, the thing's not going to survive.
Unless you can get onto people's feed and get them to take the actions you want them to take, it's not going to survive. Like unless you can get onto people's feed and, you know, get them to, you know,
take the actions you want them to take,
it's not going to make it.
And so we just have to make sure that like the whole thing not only works, but it's highly entertaining
and worth the attention and the content is good.
And there are other content creators
who are amplifying the stuff.
And so, yeah, I mean, like it's,
there's more to it than meets
the eye. It's a lot of hard work. We're a tiny team and we're trying to punch above our weight
as much as possible. But yeah, no, appreciate everyone here, like listening in, paying attention.
We want to make this as valuable for you all as possible.
Would love to double click on this point of making it entertaining and engaging for people as well.
And just what you're saying about attention, like there's decision making perspective thinking about this engagement, entertainment element to it. impact-oriented projects in web 3 is sometimes missing is like hey you are also playing in this
arena with a lot of strong attention competition and just needing to possibly put more emphasis
on these elements um so i would love to have you just kind of talk through how you're thinking about
engagement, entertainment elements, or if there are any principles you're following or
whatever that looks like for you guys. Yeah, for sure. I mean, just maybe simply put,
it's like price is the best marketing. If number go up, you get attention. And I think
we've just kind of seen that directly in our face in a way that can't be ignored.
So I think ultimately, if you want to get attention in crypto, you have to
create assets that are valuable. And so that becomes the vector of attention for a lot of the
market. And so I think that's one important element. I think another is just that we have to
figure out how to meme science. The science is kind of difficult to meme. A lot of these compounds,
kind of difficult to meme. You know, a lot of these compounds, like people don't know their
names. They've never heard of them before. You know, like it's not like a doggy coin or, you
know, fart coin that is just like anyone can get and think is funny. It's like we're trying to meme
Berberin and Punigallaghan, you know, it's like how are people going to A, appreciate and B, like, you know, appreciate this more than everything else going on in crypto.
And so I think this is going to be the big challenge.
I think, you know, ultimately, this is where scientists can be super valuable.
A lot of them complex, maybe more esoteric concepts down to reality where
anybody can get it. And I think the way that I personally see this is if you go look at how
biotech hedge fund traders perform, what they do is they basically go place trades in the market,
and then they go and publish a report that's really intelligent, deep, educated. They break
it down for you so that you as somebody who's following them can basically get the alpha
directly from them. They basically compress their decision into like a tweet, for example, and then they post that tweet. And that gets a lot of attention. And it actually drives a ton
of volume into equity markets, like for biotech. And so I think what we're realizing is there
aren't enough D-Sci KOLs. And we need to go find scientists, traders, whoever they are,
to come into the space, look at the tokenized scientific
assets and help people understand which ones are valuable and which ones are not valuable and
just be able to discriminate. Because I have a lot of friends who trade biotech, not because
they themselves are doing the analysis, but because they have found accounts that are predictive and
they just copy trade them basically. And that helps make the whole thing accessible. It brings more liquidity into the
whole system. So I think it's with that principle that, you know, we're, we're thinking, which is
don't necessarily reinvent the wheel, just, um, you know, copy what's already working and bring
it to your system. So I hope that makes sense, but, but yeah, we want scientists, people talking
about these compounds, talking about the launches, which ones are valuable, which ones are not. And, you know,
let them compete for attention based on who's predictive and who's not, you know, and like
fight about it over Twitter. Like that would be best case scenario is like, you know, you've got
two scientists who are having the typical debates that they normally have behind closed doors, but
now it's on Twitter and there's tokens associated with both.
And people are following this.
And not only are they learning, but, you know, they're getting the alpha, you know, directly from the Giga Brains.
So anyway, we'll stop.
But yeah, that's kind of thinking.
As you're talking right now, the idea of like decide duels where like people are fighting it out, duking it out on Twitter is coming into my mind.
And now I just feel like that needs to exist. So either if that is hosted here at the DCI Mike or
on your guys's account or someone else in the community listening in, I think that that needs
to happen.
Yeah, for sure. We, we, for the record, we call them PhD gens is the,
is the term.
Yeah. Yeah. I love some of the different branding you guys have leaned into and just the
mean punny aspect of it. We need more means in DCI,
which the DCI like so many people in DCI have been saying for a while now,
but I don't think doing enough on actually getting the memes out into the world.
So more to come on that front.
Would love to open up the convo for anyone listening in.
If you have questions for Benji and Pump.Science,
feel free to either drop them in the comments down below, request the mic to come on up, ask a question on topic here, and open up some of this convo.
In the meantime, Benji, are there any other points you wanted to make sure we touch on while talking here?
Awesome. No, uh let's bring up
jillian and maybe maybe she's got something she always fills in the gap yes i tried to
invite her up before but maybe it didn't go through let's see
i know earlier you mentioned you don't have a massive team like what what size team are you
operating with because I think that's also insightful for other people building projects
that hey these other projects you might be looking up to in the space like they don't always have
these massive teams so like just do the thing. But I think Jillian's
up here now. So welcome, Jillian. Would love to hear any thoughts you have on any of the
points we've touched on so far or points we've completely missed.
No, it's been such a good chat. It's fun to just relive everything that we've been through.
been such a good chat. It's fun to just relive everything that we've been through. It's funny
because it does feel like we've lived like a thousand lives the last, I don't know, it hasn't
even been a year, which is so crazy. So no, I think, um, I think you guys pretty well covered
it. I guess just the biggest thing to, um, you know, bring back around is that we really want
to make science fun again. I know you guys were just talking about like the memes and making DSI relatable and how we've all been really trying to make inroads that
way. You know, for us, so much of like the science that we do, the content that we put out, the
personality of pump science is to make science fun again. And, you know, I think ultimately all of us
have an inner PhD
gen that's waiting to come out and humor makes it a lot easier for it to come out. So yeah, just
super excited to get ready to relaunch this full protocol. You know, as Benji mentioned,
when we started out, it was an idea and some science and two tokens. And now we have that end-to-end process really strung together and ready to scale.
And, you know, for us, it's not only, I think what's cool about us, you know, having the
opportunity to launch is just that, like, there's something in it for everyone.
Like, ultimately, at the end of the day, the compounds that we're testing, the goal of
them and the science that we're doing is to help everyone live longer. And I know Benji touched on it at the top of the call, but how we can all live longer and have fun while doing it.
So, yeah, just super pumped to be at this moment.
It's an honor that we don't take lightly.
We have been pouring our heart and souls into building Pump Science.
We are a super lean team.
But this moment, we're like standing on the precipice of something we've been working towards for many, many months, just grinding away.
And, yeah, hopefully, you know, this will be a huge jumping off point for us, for science, for DSI, for the community and really want to make our community super freaking proud.
Love all of that uh that i didn't realize how few compounds have actually been tested in animal
models that's such an open playing field to to really be able to make a difference in so um
yeah i feel like there's we're here to have fun. But like at the end of the day, like what we're doing is super meaningful. Like you're totally right. There's it is it is white space and like to think about filling it in with Desai and getting to the bottom of like what might make us live longer and having fun while doing it. Like, let's fucking go.
Let's go. I's go uh love that love that cool um it looks like someone wanted to join up and ask a question so bringing them up right now
open litter mat welcome um i unfortunately have to run have, we have an, um, Jillian.
All good.
Absolutely.
I got this.
Yeah.
Thank you guys so much for having us means the world. Um, yeah,
definitely stay tuned for the launches. Um,
thanks Jillian for taking over and thanks everyone for listening. Um,
we'll talk soon.
Thanks so much for joining Benji. Uh,
go follow pump dot science if you haven't yet,
and be on the lookout for all the new compounds they'll be testing sometime soon.
Jillian, are you around for a couple more minutes or do you have to bounce out as well?
No, you bet. I'm here until there's no more questions.
Great. Cool. Awesome. Let's give the mic over to open litter map uh seemed like you had a question
hey everybody my question is how do we decentralize desi i find a lot of the
conversation right now is heavily geared towards lab-based like biotech um and there's other forms
of science that have huge potential too.
And there's 8 billion people on the planet, 5 billion people connected online. Nobody has received any training. I believe citizen science is probably our biggest opportunity to empower
people and to measure the efficacy of that intervention is something that I'm planning.
And also to evaluate society's data collection capacity in terms of analyzing cities for litter and plastic pollution.
Governments are doing a terrible job with this sort of public science because litter is economic pollution, right?
Like we're mapping Coca-Cola and McDonald's and the world's biggest corporates.
So how do we de decide right because i find a
lot of it is is is um mostly lab-based work and how do we broaden that scope and uh empower new
categories of uh research and innovation to flourish as well and one one thing to add i'm
decide only so i've given up applying to our government instruments. I'm full in on DSi, so I'm with you guys all the way.
And I hope to see new funding streams for citizen science,
which is another word for just impact quantification.
So yeah, how do we broaden the horizon?
Cheers.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of great projects
making strides towards this, and Pump.Science included.
With all the different drug devs that they've engaged with, many of them don't necessarily have specific scientific or lab-type backgrounds or access to those different types of environments. So being able to get funding into the hands of
different people who want to push different types of research forward is one example of that. And
like they're working with animal models. So that does have to be within different types of
controlled lab environments. And in addition to other types
of science that might be more human experimentation or like tracking different human like variables
related to it. So that was my initial reaction to that just tying into this combo. But Jillian, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Yeah, I think, let the people map.
We probably have a similar ethos to you where, you know, for us, we have like a part of our
protocol that takes place in the labs, which like we know is super important to help us
find that early signal.
We go from C. elegans, which is a
worm that's smaller than your eyelash. They live less than a month, but they're about 30 to 35%
similar to humans, into flies and then into ultimately mice. And the reason why we have
this lab component is we see each part of our research protocol as like, almost like microprocessors to try and
figure out in these smaller systems, what works, or is showing, you know, signal or potential for
efficacy before we put it in what we believe is the big computer humans. And so I would say,
you know, there is a part where we do rely on the labs to do the science, but the end game for us is to actually take these compounds, put them in a product, and actually use the power of the people to bring them into our game into the science by tapping into wearable devices to help aggregate the data at like a human level. You know, right now we're obviously looking at longevity, but I see a world
where pump science certainly expands into other vectors of science. And then, yeah, by tapping
into people's wearables, we can get a lot of human data that, to be honest with you, like in the
private sector, there really isn't like potentially an incentive for people to do the studies that we're trying to do. So, you know, I think to your question, like, how do you decentralize the science? Like, number one, we're trying to use the power of the people to actually bring them into the science. And then, you know, the animal part of our protocol, working with the labs, although we do have the labs that are supporting us from a science standpoint, who can submit ideas is certainly open.
And so, you know, I would say that's like another way that we're thinking about it.
We're not trying to be, you know, the ones coming up with what goes through the research.
We really want to open that up to individuals, to researchers, to citizen scientists.
to researchers, to citizen scientists. I mean, you don't, we, we always say like,
you don't have to have a PhD to, you know, submit, submit an idea that's tested in our protocol. So
honestly, just opening it up. And what was interesting is we had a conversation with one of
the top longevity researchers. And even from like their standpoint, they're like, you shouldn't
have to be a longevity research to have an idea for what would work, or what might increase
longevity. So now I would say just like for us, we want to create the substrate that allows people
and ideas to have a way to be tested. And then yeah, bring people into the game. But it sounds
a little bit like how you're approaching let let the people map with, it sounded like littering on your side.
Awesome. Yeah, such a great question and really gets to the core of what so much of D-Sides is
about. And I think what so many people D-Cides is about and I think what
so many people who are building in this space are really oriented towards.
I was going to say too, real quick, one other thing that came to mind is when we were talking
about the rise of citizen scientists, I was reading about this like trust index. It's like
a global trust index. And right now trust of like systems
is at an all time low. You know, you can think about I would imagine some of that coming from
like macro things. Some of that certainly was exacerbated from COVID. And so I do think people
today, like now more than ever, are wanting to make decisions and play a role in their health. They don't just like take
information or take direction. We're a little bit more skeptical and yeah, trying to be
advocates for ourselves. So, you know, to me, we're also at the right moment for decentralizing
science because there is this rise of people that are leaning forward in a way
that, you know, I don't think 20 years ago was there. So the technology is there, the
sentiment is there. And yeah, now we just need to create like different ways for people to do it.
Definitely. Definitely. Cool. I think next up was Fexalia. Did you have a question for
Jillian and Pumped Out Science? Okay. I think that should be Ella, right? Because be ella right because the voice sounds so familiar yeah so um jillian jmjm let the people map okay i
wanted to add to what jillian and let the people map yeah let the people map said about um it
talked about this side focusing on just the pharmaceuticals and the healthcare and yeah molecules in the lab
compounds yeah in laboratories and also i have one other project yes um quip equals who also said
that in the comments and i wanted to talk about that because there are so many refi projects
about that because there are so many refi projects that i think it's kind of feels like most people
are focusing on um the science yeah the medicine the health care most people even think that um
this side is just about health care so i talked about that on myspace yesterday and i said that
um it's not just about health care like you you see, POM.Science is here.
And let the people map.
If you have your team and you have your vision, you have what you can do, you can pitch it to them.
And, you know, the founder was here.
He talked about that they want to go on as a launchpad once again.
Yeah.
They want to fund project and everything so i think if you bring your project and your team
and have like a very clear vision and i talked about the side project and their communities
so if you can if you can communicate this in a very um clear way to the project to palm.science i know they could spotlights because it's not we have hair
dow i don't think hair hair um issues is a sickness or a disease but they are actually
doing something and they have a laboratory of their own so i think um this eye isn't just about healthcare, isn't just about the lab, isn't just about scientists like for compounds, atoms and molecules.
I think DESAI too is for space science, it's for agriculture, we can see Michael Dow, yeah.
It's for climate, environmental science so um let the people map i would say you should actually get your team
yes and also get um your vision clear and also pitch to um form.science especially for the funding
aspect because i see what you're actually doing is a very very nice project because i've downloaded
your app so i just have to like take a picture of what i'm doing and
then post it right like i'm picking a desk i'm cleaning my environment and i take a picture
and post it and i think it's like a live map where it will actually show where i am at a particular
place yeah yeah so that's a very very nice. And it's also part of this side.
So don't feel it's like it's sidelined.
And POM.Science, they are here to support.
So I think you should just get the vision clear and communicate clearly.
Thank you so much for giving me the mic.
Thank you, Julian.
Ella.
Yeah.
Is it Ella?
No, this is Erin. Erin McGinnis.
All good. Yeah, Ella's great, though.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of things in DSI right now do have a focus on human health, different biological sciences.
human health, different biological sciences, but that's kind of following, in my opinion,
larger trends of larger funding amounts going into those fields already. But there are a ton
of other awesome projects across social sciences, space science, environmental science, and then
kind of pure data and machine learning sides of things.
So, so much cool stuff happening in the broader ecosystem.
Yeah, it was cool.
We actually, around the conference Solana Accelerate, we actually worked to put on a
de-science fair.
And what was cool is it actually brought in all of these design projects
into one space and people could walk around. And it was almost like truly a science fair where you
went like project by project, booth by booth to learn about what the different projects were
building. Um, hope to plan another one of those. But, um, what was really neat about it is like,
to your point, there was health sciences, there was things like, like clean energy, or, you know, more like infrastructure stuff. So it really ran the gamut devices, there were some wearables in there. So a lot of different types of science and things that fell in science. So if you are a science, a DSI project,
feel free to jump into the Pump Science Telegram and DM me. I'm happy to help be a connector to
people that I think that's one thing that in the DSI space, we have all, you know, we are so
connected to one another. And it's all about helping to put everyone on the map.
So yeah, feel free to ping me on Twitter,
ping me, DM me in Telegram.
But yeah, wanna fill a room,
fill the next science fair with incredible projects.
Love it.
Yeah, it's been cool to see how DSI keeps evolving and new projects popping up into the scene.
So for anyone listening in, if you have an idea for a project, just do it.
And if you need help connecting to people in the ecosystem or different types of supports,
definitely reach out, like Jillian said, to other people who have been in the space for a minute.
And a lot of folks are super friendly and happy to help with that.
Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Let comes be a message to just do it because it really was an idea
and we built to a moment and then we are, you know, still here months later. But if we would
have waited till we were like totally ready, we probably wouldn't be here today. So yeah,
just start with an idea to Aaron's point, just do it. And you never know, like, I think what's
cool is like, once you let that idea out into the wild, just seeing how people engage with it,
help it grow and get on board with what you're doing. So such a great mantra, just freaking do
it. Definitely, definitely. Ed, let's throw it
over to you so you have your hand up and you always have such great comments to add into the
conversation. Yeah, thanks, Aaron, and thanks, Julian, for coming in. And I come from regenerative
agriculture, DSI, in that area. And one thing we're finding that maybe we've underestimated
the potential is understanding the health of plants, because that's one thing that we can
work on without all the complexities of trying to do science with humans and animals and all
the regulations and complications of that. And yet plants are so much more similar to
us um and you know you have a generation quite quickly um we can do the metabolomics we can do
the metagenomics we can do sap analysis we can do all sort of things to understand how combinations of elements from our soil from, you know, that are available and how that affects a plant.
And, of course, then we can quite simply take with through metabolomics, which looks at the densities and spectrums of all the metabolites and do them in fairly simple feeding studies, whether they'd be
to animals or people of just whole foods with a different spectrum of metabolites in them.
It's probably pretty limited or minimal in regulations in that because it's natural foods.
because it's natural foods.
And of course, we know that fortifying our food with nature in the biome
is a hell of a lot easier than trying to do it in a factory, in a lab.
So I'm looking for people to realize that maybe doing a little more plant study
to understand what true health is and resilience. We're just
getting mind blown by what we're learning by actually being able to create plants now that
are so healthy, they're resistant to everything and understanding how that and why that works.
So I'll land it there. Yeah, I think that brings up a really good point
of just how D-Sci could help connect some of these different dots from like plants all the way into
different animal models, looking at different compounds within plants, extracting those out,
or looking at them kind of in isolation and then looking at the effects in
humans and then scaling some of that access as well. So excited to see some more of these dots
connect as the desi space keeps maturing and growing. Yeah, and I think that's super cool
just because like, I mean, if you look at even our protocol, like we're starting with a worm. And so many people I feel like are like, well, why, why worm? And the systems in this tiny, tiny worm that are smaller than my eyelash are 35% similar to humans. And because of their lifespan, we're able to learn things really quickly. So I love that you're thinking outside of the box and, you know, actually probably like in going back into the box,
because it all started with plants. So yeah, I think that's super cool. And, you know, to us,
it's just been like a good education opportunity for helping people understand, like going into
these, like, you know, fast, cheap systems, there's huge value in that before you take on, you know, the time and the cost of something like putting a test through humans.
So it sounds like there's definitely a lot to be learned there. And yeah, it's definitely, you know, probably more white space, too. Love that.
Absolutely. All right. There were a couple other questions down in the comments.
One was from Life of Seth asking, what's the feature of your AI agent bot? Did you make it?
Yeah, great question. So we actually partnered with a team to make the agent bot. And basically
what the agent bot does is it, you can tag it on Twitter,
just like you tag other agents, and it will share information about the compounds being
tested on pump science using public information. What we're working on is hopefully having it use
and be able to engage with the data on pump science, because as you guys know, that data is all open and transparent. So hoping to have some more, um, iterations of, um, of that, uh,
agent bot that we worked with with that agent. If people don't know, it's called, uh, Juventus,
um, and it's spelled J U V E N T A I S.-I-S. And then if you just tag the agent and then put in one of the compounds on Pump like, if we're generating all of this data, and it's all open and transparent, you know, we see a world
where we're actually, you can almost think of it like an open source, like R&D, where number one,
there could be agents that are engaging with the data on our platform and making recommendations for other compounds to
test just based on some of the results that we're seeing with our data. I would say also,
not only on like the data side, but it could be something too where if agents not only are
proposing the compounds, but they're also, you know, there's a world where we see them maybe
trading, trading the tokens that represent the compounds on our platform, whether it be in isolation,
like alone, or maybe even like cocktails, like things to put together. But, you know,
the ultimate goal for us right now is to really be thinking about like, of the supplements that
are available, which ones should go in a product that we then test in humans. And so, you know,
go in a product that we then test in humans. And so, um, you know, whether it be from citizen
scientists making those suggestions or AI agents, like we, um, really want to open up our system to
anyone with an idea. So, um, check out the pump science agent. I'll reply to, um, this tweet for,
to the space tweet for people who don't know, um, tagging the agent. So that way you guys can
engage with it. But yeah, if you're interested in agents building one, know teams that are building
one, also happy to talk to them. Because like I said, we see agents absolutely playing a big role
in what we're building. And I would say in DSI in general. Absolutely. And echoing on one of the points Benji made at the beginning just around how AI is definitely a theme at DeCyberlin right now as well.
One last question from the comments down below just around if a Binance listing will come.
I think that's always a hope. And don't know if you have any further
thoughts, Jillian. Yeah, I would say always a hope. You know, we I think the thing that was
cool about Pump Science is it was born super grassroots organic. And based on like a lot of
the interest in the trading around the RIF and Euro tokens, a lot of the listings that we got were purely organic.
So hope to kind of replicate that with, you know, the full protocol launch here very soon.
But Binance is always is always something we're hoping for.
So hope to use the power of the community to help us
and yeah, make us something that's absolutely undeniable.
Amazing.
Well, I feel like you guys are already
in that undeniable category
and making bounds on pushing that all forward.
We've made it through all the questions here so far.
You guys are super active. So I'm sure if there are other questions or thoughts people have, they can reach out there. But are there any call to actions, prompts, things that people might be able to do today or should be on the lookout for coming up in the future for Pump.Science.
Yeah, definitely. So to like quickly recap, if you didn't miss it, Benji did a talk at DCI Berlin
and during that talk, you kind of teased what's coming for Pump.Science. But the bottom line is
we're gearing up to launch the full protocol, which for us is really allowing compounds to go through our process end to end.
So being tested in worms, flies, mice.
Coming up here soon, we will be launching 17 new compound tokens on our platform,
which means 17 experiments will start streaming on Pump Science.
We took a 28-day worm lifespan experiment, and we will be compressing those into
12 hours. So when the tokens do launch on our platform, the experiments will be sped up,
and so they will last for 12 hours. If there's enough trading fees and assuming the
compounds don't harm the worms, then they would move forward to flies and mice.
I think the biggest thing to remind people is Pump science is a game. And so you might be
thinking like, wait, 17 compounds. Really the mission for people who are engaging on,
on the pump science platform is to find the best science. So if you hold the best science on the
platform, you basically get airdrops of every compound trying to take you down until you're dethroned.
So right now, those two compounds that are in that lead position that we call king of the pill
are RIF and URO. And so, you know, it really is this hunter mentality to try and find the next
compounds that will take down the two top performing compounds in rifampicin and urolithin A.
So in the coming days, weeks here on the pump science side, we will be sharing a lot of
educational information. Biggest thing to let you guys know, we do have a sniper resistant feature,
which is where we're really trying to level the playing field for people who are gem
hunting on Pump Science. So make sure you be on the lookout for that educational information so
you know how to play the game when the time comes. And if you're not already, get in the Pump Science
Telegram. Happy to chat with you all there. I think the one thing that I love the most about
the DSiMic audience is the scientific backgrounds of everyone on this space. It's always fun to hear
where people come from, what they're working on. So we'd just love to see you over there. And yeah,
any ways that we can work together, amplify what each other are doing, we are here for that, fam.
But be on the lookout. It's going to be an exciting time for Pump Science here very,
very soon. Launch is definitely imminent. Super exciting. Thanks so much for
coming on and sharing these updates with us as basically as soon as you guys announce them at
DCI Berlin and out into the world. So really appreciate you coming on and being part of this
conversation, taking different questions, because so many
different people listening in here are also building the DSi space, and we can all keep
learning from one another or find other cool ways to collaborate to make all these cool visions come
to life. So appreciate you coming on, and yeah, follow Pump.Science, join the Telegram super active group if you haven't
already. Yeah, thanks so much for having us. You're right. It was pretty hot off the press,
but I couldn't think of a better way to do it. So thank you so much, everyone. Our doors are
always open. My chats are always open. Twitter, Telegram, you know where to find us if there's
any questions you have or, you know,
ways we can work together or yeah, ideas that you have for us, would love to chat. So exciting time
for DSI and yeah, we're super pumped for what's to come for Pump Science. So let's go. Amazing.
Thanks so much. And as always, we'll be back here same time next week if you have other topics you'd like to
discuss or other cool updates please reach out to the dsci mike or myself erin mcginnis and we'll
get you on the schedule in the meantime keep making awesome things happen in dsci and in the world
and see you back here next week or in the pump.science telegram group in the meantime. All right, have a great one, everyone. Thanks for tuning in. Okay, see you later, Erin. I've launched
your name now. Sorry about that. All good. Thanks so much.
