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Exploring digital clones & responsible AI
Recorded: Aug. 21, 2025 Duration: 2:50:09Space Recording
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Thank you. Hey, Christina, I made you a co-host, so you should have had the notification about it. you
Hey John, how are you doing?
I'm doing well, how about you Robbie?? Great, great, great, great, great.
Another great Thursday, right?
I can't wait.
Yeah, I think Christina of Continuum is logging in as well.
I'm seeing some people joining, which is great.
I'm seeing Debra.
Debra, this is Robbie.
Great to see you as well.
See you, I mean, you know,
joining the spaces, which is great.
I hear Brandon.
Do you know an American show called Romper Room?
Romper Room?
Yes, tell me. Tell me more about it, please. Do you know an American show called Romper Room? Romper Room? No.
Yes.
Tell me.
Tell me more about it, please.
It was a show for three-year-olds and four-year-olds.
It was a nursery school show.
And the host always said, I see Johnny, and I see Susie, and I see you.
You're just right there with, I forget her name.
But anyway, she was a very loving host.
Okay.
So for me, John is just Robbie, right?
Robbie.
Okay.
It sounds familiar.
It sounds familiar.
Hey, Christina made it to the room.
Hey, guys.
Hey, Christina.
How are you?
Hey, Christina.
How are you?
How are you today?
So good.
We just got back for an amazing trip in Santa Monica.
So much good technology cooking up for LA Tech Week and Art Basel.
Really excited to have Aphid with us today.
And John gets to be here.
We're going to get to nerd out on some pretty amazing data points.
Sounds like fun.
Mr. Brandon Cooper, our star of the show, is here.
Hello, Brandon. How are you? I'm doing, is here. Brandon, how are you?
I'm doing well. How about yourself?
How are you?
Great, great, great.
Thank you so much for having us as well during this co-host spaces.
Oh, yeah, no problem. Thanks for being here.
All right, all right, all right.
So for everyone, guys, I'm Robbie from Geek, obviously.
Like everyone, a lot of people know me here already for the last six years.
In case you are joining for the first time, I'm the Geek host weekly spaces.
As a lot of you guys know, this week we'll be having something new. So like
we will have two speakers today and let me give a quick introduction. So we have
Kristen Brujan, who's the CEO of Continuum Market. And I think a lot of the people
inside of the space and people listening in or later on have
had an
introduction to Christina. Christina
is freaking great. Honestly,
she's great.
She's like all of us.
We're all human beings
and that's something
really great about geek as well.
We're all just
normal in a way which is not
normal as well right because we're all so that's something different yeah right
um so christina has been on uh geek spaces spaces before already like i think it was maybe
a month ago or something if i'm right so, Christina, welcome to the first space in our
series, actually, of the monthly geek and continuum spaces. So, would you like to remind us of
your mission, basically, and what continuum is, please?
Thank you, Robbie. I am so excited to be starting this mission with Geek as we're bringing the information at the Continuum portfolio to the public here. Can you hear me okay?
Perfect. Perfect. Okay, so I'll do thejan, CEO of Continual Market. We're a marketplace for vetted, regulatory-focused, scalable blockchain AI and quantum technologies.
We've created an amazing cohort of experts, investors, and innovators.
And we'll be bringing those on here to our show with Geek once a month.
And today we get to focus on Brandon Cooper from
AFID AI who is one of the stars of our portfolio he and I have been talking
about AI data for eight years now both of us have a deep background in data and
I really stand for the concept of own your data standards and fortune 500
standards in advanced technologies and i'm
really excited to showcase one of the incredible brands that's bringing something brand new that
the economy has never seen before and will fundamentally change how we all think about data
Well, that sounds great.
That was so dramatic.
That was so dramatic.
So I'd be interested to hear what Brendan has to say.
uh yeah firstly go ahead yeah yeah brandon like i would like to i think a lot of people would
Yeah, firstly, go ahead.
like to know more about who you are uh what are you doing what's afit doing so give me give us a
brief introduction please that would be great certainly certainly uh, I am Brandon Cooper, co-founder and CEO of AFIT. As Christina, I call her brew. We go back quite some time here.
As she said, we've been talking about AI for quite some time. But my background personally, I'm from Detroit, Michigan.
Detroit, Michigan. Spent most of my time in Los Angeles building out AFID.
Prior to founding AFID, I worked as a senior technology advisor for Apple. I
was with them for seven years. So everything from software, hardware,
coding, working with the engineering team. I did and it was great until it
wasn't. And we've all been at jobs that we hate. We say they suck. We sit at a cubicle and we drain our life away.
And as I was sitting at that computer, I said, man, I wish I could just clone myself and have another version of me doing this work.
But I could get paid for when the AI does the work.
I could just shadow myself.
And I had a concept.
And I got my affairs in order.
And I left Apple to do AFIC full time.
So since then, I have done a lot of media.
And this isn't to be braggadocious because I hate when I have to self-introduce.
It's better when people say it for me.
But yeah, I've done a lot with a little.
We've been featured in Forbes and CBS, TEDx.
We're Techstars back with JP Morgan. You can think of it in the media. We've been featured in Forbes and CBS, TEDx, we're Techstars back with JP Morgan.
You can think of it in the media, we've been in it.
So I'm very blessed and fortunate
to share the space with you all.
And I've been very blessed to share my experience.
I call them downloads.
I'm just a vessel with these creative downloads
that either you wanna believe in God or higher power, whatever it may be aliens uh it came to me and and it was chosen for me so um what we've
ultimately created with aphid is a way to digitally clone yourself so you're putting your own persona
into a digital form that runs 24 7. so when uh the autonomous AI agents run on the internet
on your behalf, you as the human are compensated
for the work that it does,
opposed to us being obsolete as humans
and an AI apocalypse comes and 300 million jobs go away.
Kind of just saying with AFID, let's pump the brakes,
let's use this system that now allows you as the person
to earn without having to actually work.
Because the data shows that the average person spends 90,000 hours at a job over a lifetime.
That's, yes, 90,000 hours. And if you're a lawyer or any industry like that, you're probably at about 120, 150 over a lifetime.
probably at about 120, 150 over a lifetime.
So that's a lot of kids' soccer games, kids' baseball games that you, you know,
you lose a lot of that time.
And you might not have kids, right?
Maybe it's just time for yourself.
But the days of working five days a week and living for the weekends,
and one of those days is all NFL on Sunday.
So you really don't have much time to yourself.
You have to do laundry and you have to help kids with homework.
And, you know, where is that time going?
So AFID is, as we say, we're creating a free society.
Everyone who's a part of our community is joining that mission.
They're just as crazy as we are.
And they believe in our mission of powering the digital clones to work on your behalf.
So that's my background and the reason why AFID was created.
All right.
All right.
Thank you, Brendan, for giving us a brief introduction about AFID.
And, like, it's actually a very interesting topic, you know,
because, like, I've seen some stuff about, like,
cloning yourself and have a 24-7 thing,
kind of, of yourself, right?
Kind of an AI agent of yourself doing the work for you.
So, like, I'm sure there's people who don't know who you are yet
and, like, what AFID is about, even though you touched it briefly.
Could you give, like, a quick introduction on AFID
and what you mean by agentic AI, for example?
Certainly.
Yeah, so
everything started with automation
first. So you see companies
like Zapier
who do very basic
repetitive things, but it's
not technically using
artificial intelligence. At least
then they weren't, right? They had
what we call robotic process automation. It's called RPA. artificial intelligence, at least then they weren't, right? They had what were called
robotic process automation. It's called RPA. So there were companies like Workado,
Automation Anywhere. They were the ones that kind of started out with doing this automation piece.
And then automation goes into artificial intelligence. So artificial intelligence is
really just emulating human activity,
but it isn't necessarily using machine learning, right? So in order for AI to start,
quote unquote, thinking, right, as you're talking to it and doing things, it requires machine
learning and deep learning. So if you've used Siri, if you've used Alexa Alexa and you say, turn the volume up or play my favorite song, it's using deep learning and machine learning.
And there are other subsets, but I know some people may not be technical.
I can feel the layers back if you want to, but I'll just keep it very high level.
And then you had the introduction to GPT.
So GPT really emerged around 2021. And that's where a generative AI
kind of kicked in. And that's when people put in prompts and it can give you from the input that
you put into it from a prompt, it can spit back information. So if you're an old head and you've
heard of Ags Jeeves back in the day, you used to go in and Ags Jeeves. It's really just ask Jeeves on steroids. It gives you
a very, very detailed response and output from what you put into it to say, write me a poem
based on flowers, pink flowers. I don't want them to be pink anymore. Change it to blue.
It requires machine learning. So machine learning basically takes data and it learns through experience. So just like a child who begins to crawl on the ground or a kid who touches the
stove and they burn themselves, kind of tells their brain to say, hey, don't do that again,
or it's going to hurt. So over time, you get to learn from that. So machine learning works the
exact same way. Tesla vehicles use machine learning. It takes data to make sure it breaks
automatically from autonomous cars. There are a lot of different ways that machine learning can
be used, but it's basically just taking data and it's making decisions based on that data.
You can assist that data or you can implicitly put in certain information into that what's called
model like GPT. That's called a machine learning model. There are other models that are very, very popular, but GPT is just what people are used to in the market.
So as you mentioned, people use 24-7 and, you know, you may see clones and things like that.
But a lot of what you see kind of stem from AFIT.
We've been in the game going from 2018, 2019 through R&D.
uh going from 2018 2019 through r d and time flies pretty fast but um you know there it's
it's the me too movement just like it was with um the metaverse and nfts and everything else so
you know the the ogs as i like to say uh the cream will come to the top
i was wondering actually i'm trying to figure out how you were going to
clone uh a person you know, the science fiction talks about reading
your, the state of your brain, reading it down to,
you know, whatever is happening in the quantum states
and the axons and so on.
But the way you're talking, it's, I guess I can envision
what you're doing is, it's almost like having a human shadow
for a doctor, either standing behind you or wherever they're standing. I guess I can envision what you're doing is it's almost like having a human shadow for
a doctor either standing behind you or wherever they're standing and watching you do a task.
And then from that, they learn how to do the task.
Is that sort of how it works?
How would I mean, I don't even know what I know.
I wouldn't know how to tell myself.
Yeah, very intelligent question. Great question. Yes. So the premise of using machine learning as time progresses, you would have to nurture it less and obviously, with your calendar, your sense of humor, things that you want to put into it.
We have an interface that's going to allow you to either use templates or you can tell AI to create one for you, create a dialogue for you.
So the introduction of how we're going to market with it is your own personalized clone.
People are going to directly
be able to contact your own personal AFIG clone directly. So that will warm people up to understand
the concept to say, okay, I can talk to John without John actually being there. So if John is a,
for instance, real estate agent, I can talk to John and John can be asleep, but guess what? John
is still getting business conducted in his pocket.
He'll wake up to 10 push notifications that said his 8-bit clone has scheduled five showings or 10 showings for the next three weeks.
That is the power of utilizing artificial intelligence.
And then as time progresses, it'll be voice and video and, you know, we'll start to enhance it.
But you just have to, you know, start people off at the very, very bottom because, you know, the rest of the world has to be warmed up.
Right. So that's on the external side.
But the internal side of how you train it, it can only really learn about tasks that you show it, you know, many examples of you're doing a particular task
john yes sorry guys like uh if you would let me like maybe it would be interesting as well to dive
into the deep things uh afterwards like okay i know you i know you john i know you john i know
you're curious and like everyone loves it, obviously.
But I had some questions as well for Brandon also. For example, for the people listening in, what's your relationship between Continuum and Geek, for example?
Yes, so my relationship with Christina goes back for years and years and years.
But we're one of the companies she ultimately advises on a lot of things in Web3 and structures and what's happening in the market.
Because Christina is really with Continuum. Continuum is the bridge of all things data.
So anytime you hear data points, that's Continuum. Data points, data points, data points.
They know Christina is the data points girl. She puts a lot of brilliant minds into the same room.
So people who are in music can actually get insight from the scientists, the data engineers,
the people who are full stack developers. They kind of bring, she's bridging all of these
different worlds into technology so people understand it. And yes, you do have the group
of nerds and geeks
respectively and then you have the people who are you know kind of putting their toe into the water
trying to understand okay what's what is happening in the web3 space what is blockchain what is
crypto what is ai so that's the business relationship with christina but it's more than
just business with christina um you know if she needs to talk and vent about life,
we'll talk about that.
So anyone I usually do business with is,
at least if they open it up like Christina has,
then it becomes family.
Right, right.
It's such a great thing to hear as well,
because, like, I know for myself,
like, I know I love Christina,
and I know Stephanie loves Christina as well.
So Christina, if you have something to say about it,
just go ahead as well as well.
Oh, I appreciate all the love
and I appreciate this coming together
and really love having Brendan here as our first guest
because he really has been with me
since the very first days that I got into blockchain
and we hit it off on our love for AI and our passion for AI.
Keep in mind, this was five and a half years before GPT came out.
And he and I are nerding out about neural networks and what you can do with, you know, these new data structures and relational backends.
And, you know, this is kind of before RAG and all of that. So Brandon's one of the few people that I can really go fast with data
and his eyes don't glaze over.
So he's one of my favorite humans and his wife and the baby on the way
and just him getting this time back for raising his family was his mission.
And I've seen him back that up for almost a decade
and he's really had a tough time with investors like understanding the impact and I'm excited
that John's here today because of his economics background because when we start extrapolating
out what this means not only is it brand new liquidity pools, but it's new ways of sharing and permissioning data,
which is where my partnership with Geek comes in.
And we've talked about how do you really treat these agents as a knowledge base,
as an authorized permission, brand reputational knowledge base
that can start to go out and interact, like Brandon said, while you're asleep.
And Brandon and I really hit it off because I was telling him like, great, go build that I need to build my
entire business on agentic AI. And he's like, wow, that's a complex use case. So really understanding
like how to store all of that data and how that interoperates with everything, Geek will become a critical piece of that conversation
as Continuum's talking about our infrastructure
and how it interacts with AFID infrastructure.
And also just to keep in mind and kind of set the room,
this all ties to our metaverse ecosystem.
So everything that we're doing in 3D
and bringing together concerts and festivals and
twinning things that are in real life and cities, all of this stuff comes together as a very large
data conversation. But with my background in Fortune 500 and SOC 2 compliance, we care about
protecting that data and teaching the users the responsibility of owning their data.
Brandon's platform has made it super easy.
And the biggest feature is that it's already tied to a blockchain reward.
So a lot of these agentic systems that are out there, you know, I went to HumanX this year,
lots of agentic systems, but it's really about like inputting data and it does something for you.
But there's never been anything like what AFID has where it's really about like inputting data and it does something for you. But there's
never been anything like what AFID has where it's tied to a reward, which truly unlocks the gig
economy. Great. Thank you, Christina. So like, Brandon, I have a question for you as well in
that context. Like, what makes AFID's agentic AI different from a current wave of chatbots
and automatic tools that we know right now? Yeah so it's really piggybacking right off of what
Christina just said so it's tying into a reward. These agents are great for productivity. I think
you walk down the street, you'll see
something that's great for a workflow, right? And everyone, you go to an event, everyone's AI this
and AI that. And me and Christina, we kind of, you know, we kind of laugh like, here it is,
you know, when she mentioned investors, like quick side note, she mentioned investors. When I was
talking to investors in the early years, they were like, what do you mean bots are going to do things
for you? Those are the stupid conversations that I was having with investors in the early years, they were like, what do you mean bots are going to do things for you?
Those are the stupid conversations that I was having with investors.
And then you speed it up and then you get the questions like, what's the differentiating piece in that, right?
Because you're swimming amongst a lot of fish.
But I say that to say tying it to a reward where the compensation piece is key because people have to make money.
People have to earn a living. And by tying it to the dopamine hits of when your agents are able to compensate
you for the work that you do, allows you to open up a different ballgame. And not only,
it was John that mentioned it earlier, I just want to touch on this piece a little bit where
he mentioned, it knows what I know. The beauty about the digital Aether clone is, you know, if the human person, if you wanted
to learn Spanish, it would take you two months or whatever to do Rosetta Stone or Pimsleur approach.
But the digital you can download that directly into your clone instantly and speak to someone
in Spanish to say, you know, C or Guten Tag in German or Ni hao ma in Mandarin.
That is the power of your digital clone. So you don't have to have the knowledge to put it into
your clone. You just have to download it literally into the brain of it. And that's how it becomes
even smarter than you as the human. And then you also control what it is that you're putting
you as the human. And then you also control what it is that you're putting into that personalized
AI. So that's the big piece is the gig economy aspect. And then also the personalized aspect,
opposed to just general workflows and then getting output. Everything pushes into one platform.
So in the real world, you can only go into a job, sit at the cubicle. It takes you two weeks to get paid, everything else. But the digital you, you can basically say, well, I can work from home. I can power my agent to work in this environment. But guess what? I can also power to work ubiquitously to be everywhere at one time.
That has never been able to exist for the common folk and the common person.
And that's what AFID offers.
That makes us different from anything you've ever seen.
All of the activity pushes to one dashboard.
No matter where it works on the Internet, it pushes into our interface.
All right. Awesome.
I think, Dirty dirty you request to speak so maybe you have a
question as well for brandon or for chris christina a great topic guys um there's always
hey how you guys doing yeah i'm enjoying it so far and I love to connect with builders um you know I'm not a um an AI builder
programmer coder anything like that but um I have applications that I want to use it for in my
profession so yeah I like to see what's out there discuss it see where um whether it is LLMs or are we looking at, you know, AGI and that type of development where it can actually help.
And I'll just I'll give you an example of real world use application and what your thoughts are, maybe.
And then we can also discuss other things if we get a moment here.
But, yeah, I really enjoy the space so far.
But so I work in utilities, guys.
I work I've been 20 years into municipal utilities.
I've seen the integration of technology in the last 20 years really, really take off.
And it's only going faster and faster. Right.
We've always been told that technology's integration is going to be exponential.
I believe that.
These next few years are going to be, they're going to be amazing, to be honest.
So, yeah, either evolve or die, right? we're moving out of our boomers or getting older, you know, their institutional knowledge
needs to be put on chain per se or in the cloud. Okay. And so this is where I'm going to ask you
and see what your thoughts are on this, but in how far off the development is, but the information,
is, but the information I, information is really, to me, is where power is, right?
And it's not just information, but how to access it and very efficiently, you know?
And what I found is that I've moved all paper maps into a digital app platform integrated
into ArcGIS, where I've got point layer data, multiple, multiple
layers. They're hosted on cloud. I can access it on an iPhone. Extremely efficient now for me to go
do locates, planning, asset management, that type of thing. So this is what i ask and what your thoughts are but with all the data whether it's skata
data coming in or actual spreadsheet data for um process controls or um you know but with all
this data because the pumps even now are smart pumps we've got data i can collect data on them
and look at efficiency curves real time. But I'm looking for
an assistant or a person that can build that assistant to take all the data that's coming in,
you know, at all times, predictive modeling, asset management, but to help me and even create,
to finish, not, you know, not to sign off on my reports, but to lay out the reports that I need to do.
I need an assistant.
And this is what I'm looking at is maybe an LLM is to be able to take all the data from all the resources that I have,
all the different apps and everything, and then to work with me and specifically tailor those needs that I have. And I feel like that that's really where I'm looking at that development is to have custom AI assistant builders.
And I was just asking what your thoughts are on that.
And I believe that it really opens the integration of that industry with specifically like utilities is to have these assistants to help and what your thoughts are on that.
Certainly. I don't know if that was like a group question or directed towards me, but I could succinctly answer my opinion on it.
I personally believe what you just spoke on is for SLMs.
So SLMs are the smaller language models that are tailored towards you.
If it's information that you need to pull from the internet per se, then you would need the
large language models. So like you said, you wanted to aggregate data, you wanted to
look at the market and these different things. Yeah. So you would use a large language model for that. Or, for instance, our native machine learning model is again, Varian.
So ours is going to ultimately work where you can kind of switch the brain out at different points in time, like gears on a bike to pull in that information.
And then also we're storing it on IPFS. So it's also decentralized as well.
But that information is near and dear to you.
So it's your IP, even though you're pulling that data, unless you don't own that data, but you can
still ingest it through the clone if you need it to handle certain tasks. And then that, you know,
you have to open different doors for different things, right? There's, you know, HIPAA compliance
and different things depending on your industry, right? If you're a therapist, there's certain
things that have to be safeguarded or disclaimers and people have to understand,
okay, I am talking to an agent, right? But people in the future are going to respect time, right?
So it's like, hey, send it to my Athe clone, right? I don't have time to repeat the same
thing to new people every single day. I can't be everywhere at once right now until now, right?
And you say, all right, well, let me put, let me give you this link to talk to
my clone so I can go spend time with my daughter. That is the power. And I think the human aspect,
people have to really understand because everyone's like, no, I'm safe. I'll be okay. And AI is a
thing. And it's going to get really, really crazy in the next few years because we are going to see
some jobs move into different categories and people are going to see some jobs move into different categories. And people are going to, like, help hardware robotics and things like that.
But Amazon warehouses, they're already being replaced.
Delivery is going to change.
You have drones and everything else coming.
But that's my quick thought so you can get to the next questions.
But that's what I think about that.
So, Brandon, you know, and you did mention about decentralizing.
That's great.
I really think it's super important, especially as building AI.
I mean, we have...
So, is that resource there where I can specifically say, okay, I've got all this online cloud
data. I need to just, whether it's predictive modeling
or to actually organize all that data into a way that I just need it kind of filtered a bit,
you know, is that resource there available now where I could just call up an AI agent
or a person that actually customizes these things.
Is that an option for a person like me?
Yes, the resources are there.
APHIS specifically, that is going to be through our Gamburian machine learning model upon the beta launch.
So we're rolling it out as you can switch out the machine learning models.
But what exists out there on the Internet, you kind of have to aggregate it from different sources.
There are open source models.
You can use Hugging Face and other open source models.
They have areas where you can train it.
Because you used to have TensorFlow.
With Google, you could basically, they had like what were called intents and entities.
You had to put all that information in.
But all of that's changed now because of generative AI.
But they do have areas where you can actually train it.
Like Google, for instance, lets you train on videos.
You can upload images to say,
these are bananas, these are apples, right?
But now we have generative AI.
So a lot of that data is already available on the internet
and you can pull from people
who have already gathered this data.
It just really depends on what type of data do you actually need?
Because people get caught up on LLMs and the everything for everyone.
But it really matters about what do you actually need it for?
Because, you know, you can have a whole lot of data, But if you don't, if you're not curating that data, if you're not cleaning that data, if you don't know what you're doing with what they call the data lake and processing the data, right?
The proper inputs, you're going to spend a lot of money, even from a consumer standpoint.
And if you're providing the infrastructure, you're definitely spending a lot.
So AI is pretty expensive now.
You know, according to Moore's law, as time goes in perpetuity, it's going to get cheaper and cheaper.
But right now, you know, companies like NVIDIA can afford to do it because they can just go out and continue to raise a lot of money.
But, yeah, that's my thoughts on that.
It sounds like what you're saying is that what I'm specifically looking for needs to be tailored in what I'm asking for.
There's still some moving pieces right now.
There's developments right now.
It's all happening quick.
Everybody's really excited about AI.
Am I wrong there? Is that these things are still kind of being developed?
Am I wrong there?
Is that these things are still kind of being developed?
There's a lot out there already for a lot of what you want to do.
But APHIS specifically, we're tailoring it to you.
So it's getting what you need done and where we're going to save you the time.
So we have a time sheet feature that's going to show you how much time you save
and then also how much you've earned from your clone.
So the main thing for us is time and money.
And then there's a – because you can have all the time in the world,
but then obviously you don't have enough money.
You have all the money, and then you're never home.
Your wife is like, hey, I need some time.
You want me to make money?
Where is that in between?
So eighth it is creating that in between.
I feel like, you know, for – I've seen it already as far as workplace efficiency
because I can do things a lot more efficient.
It's not so I can, you know, go and, you know, take off or work and play golf.
It really is that I can take more tasks on that I feel
like you're, you know, I feel like in everybody's profession, the best thing you can do there,
well, one's make money, but two is to get the most skills that you can take out of the job
and to make yourself valuable. It's about what you can do, what you can produce. And if I can,
you know, customize some of my workflow to make it more efficient, I can just take on more tasks and make myself more valuable, whether it's here or else.
Precisely.
Now, I don't know if anybody else got much to add to that, but it seems like, Brandon, as far as, without diving into what you do, you're a founder, CEO, machine machine man but you're talking about eight
ai um you know like i'm interested you know i'm i'm somewhat involved in just as a community
member and as a um you know with uh cubic which is a, which is a layer one,
they're building their own AI, right?
They're building it on chain.
It's decentralized.
It's CPU to GPU based, whatever it is.
It's its own thing.
A lot of people don't realize that AI is not just,
you know, everybody says, oh, it's AI, you know,
and well, you know, everything's different, right? There's a lot of different layers to what an AI is. And you touched
on that a bit too. You know, what it comes down to is LLMs, they're based on probability, right?
It's like, if this, then this is the most likely scenario. And then maybe there's even a combination of actual you know does
LLMs actually think right and it's more of a program and you can correct me
wrong this is not my field this is something you know a lot more but as
we're looking at the development of what we call it real intelligence of
consciousness right of actually being able to make decisions those are all
things you know,
and I always ask people, especially people who are experts like yourself, is like,
how far in development of actually, because we don't even know how to really, right now,
to scale what consciousness is in humans, because there's a lot we don't know about the brain and
how everything works, right? So as we move into that and developing a scale that Cubic's working on,
just trying to determine what the heck actually consciousness is
and to recreate that, how far off are we into building AGI?
Is anybody working on it that you feel is legitimately hitting markers there,
or is it just a long ways off?
Certainly.
And there are companies that
are pretty far um it depends if you're talking hardware and software right like hardware boston
dynamics uh is pretty far they've been they've been in the game for quite some time so that's
really just the physical part of the robots picking things up doing backwards flips uh they
have certain sensors when it gets close to an edge to not walk
you know walk away from it but and you have the tesla bots where they can fold clothes and make
drinks and surf they have a restaurant now in los angeles where it serves popcorn and food uh the
robots can't right so all of that they're getting really really smart right it's looking a lot more
like irobot but um give or take it could could be 10 years. We thought there would be flying
cars everywhere by now, but it's usually off. But Ray Kurzweil said it was around the time,
I believe, between 2035 to 2041, somewhere in between there is when we're going to see
things move rapidly. I mean, very, very rapidly. But they even had the people do the petition, even people like Steve Wozniak, I believe, and Elon Musk and others where they were signing saying, hey, we need to make sure we kind of pump the brakes on AI a little bit.
But of course, OpenAI is going to try to push the envelope as far as they can and get close to sentience. I think the market is following what they want to do. But a lot of
things that you see from OpenAI, they've ripped off from other companies. And a lot of companies
have created these things. It's just a popularity game. That's why you hear GPT, GPT, GPT. But
there are other companies who have been in the game for a long time. So it is a popularity contest.
I do think that with the money that they have, the amount that they can
raise, the valuation of the company, they're going to try to buy out a lot of the smaller companies
who don't have what they actually need, and then they're going to ramp it up. But Claude, for
instance, which is by Anthropic, does really, really well for certain data and finance. I
typically would use that model for certain things. So you need different models for different things.
Even OpenAI has their own subset of different models that they offer because certain models are just better for other things.
Just like I would go to you for your specialty or a real estate agent to talk about homes.
But if someone wants to talk about AI, then they would talk to Brandon.
A machine learning model is kind of the same way, unless you get, again, everything for everyone. But then it kind of confuses the brand. A machine learning model is kind of the same way, unless you get the, again, the everything for everyone, but then it kind of confuses the user. So I think at the end of the
day, the only thing that's going to matter is how the end user receives the data. So, you know,
Steve Jobs was like, I want everything intuitive. It's really just about, like, I don't care about
about what's under the hood of the tesla or what's what's running under i just want to get in the car
what's under the hood of the Tesla or what's running under. I just want to get in the car,
push the button and i want it to go so ai is that exact same way so if it feels like it has
sentience for the most part it will feel like sentience to the person but i want a human nurse
opposed to a robot nurse they'll try it but it's just a lot better that human touch when you're
talking to someone so some of those jobs will kind of move over.
Yes.
And the robots, robots will do the other thing.
So when you're talking about, you know, this is interesting,
and I don't know if it really matters to most people,
but when you're talking about artificial intelligence, what is intelligent?
You know, is intelligence the ability to mimic something?
To say, well, I can mimic because all what we're really talking about is hey
artificial intelligence can mimic intelligence right is to not actually be
intelligent is because what intelligence is is you know I guess the the real
argument I guess the real argument is can you delineate is something
intelligent without consciousness right and? And is consciousness required?
And, you know, and there's different measures of consciousness.
And, like, to truly have a machine to learn, right,
is to say not so much this is what the color blue looks like,
is to actually have that synapses to understand what blue is blue is right to learn what yes right and so um
you know whether anybody's it you know whether however far off we are or not you know is that
it's going to take a massive amount of compute power right whether we need quantum computing
some people like cubic is saying well we we're going to use terrenary there. There's different aspects.
And I think that part of maybe what, um, is consciousness a little bit, and I don't know,
and maybe you can disagree with me here, but can, uh, you know, can, um, an LLM tell you,
I don't know, or like to truly understand that.
Whereas like a consciousness, uh, or a conscious conscious ai an intelligent one can tell you
i don't know and can binary code tell you i don't know right it it can you but it it what it what
the system will fight to do is not say i don't know it is better to be truthful to say i don't
know but yes it would it would be very close to sentience.
Like eventually we'll get there.
And it is subjective ultimately
because no matter what,
it is still coming from a computer.
Like if you just, if you unplug it,
it doesn't exist anymore, right?
But if, let's say I took your brain,
not like being realistic,
but let's say I took your brain
and then, you you know you go into
another body but i attached that brain to a new body it's taking your your your brain from it the
neurons are firing the exact same way so even though you used to be steve and now you're in
john's body it's still using the same brain so when i talk to you you can talk about the memories
when we were kids everything else if it feels it feels real, it is real, right? But behind the scenes, the AI is going to get smarter. So yes, it's going to
be able to show that compassion because it's really a learned behavior, right? Like when
you're a child, you know, racism is taught or, you know, knowledge is passed down from the parents
or the peers that you hang around. You're learning through experience.
Without that experience, if you were born and you were just sitting in an empty room
and I locked the door and just throw you food as if you're in prison,
you would never grow to understand how to talk or anything.
You could be a 35-year-old.
You just figure out, like, oh, my body is hungry.
Let me try to chew on it.
And then eventually you figure it out.
But that's the only thing that you would know. So AI kind of works the exact same way. It starts off as a child.
And then as it learns through experience, it actually knows it. So it's really a construct
in our brains as humans to say, well, it's only human because it's coming from a human, right?
But the problem is our brain is hard to discern and say, well, it's not really real sentience
because a human had to put it into it.
But what are you without your parents or anything else teaching you through experience?
So that's how it would merge.
Brandon, I think that's exactly right.
And I think there's a few more layers to add there that kind of ties back into what AFFID is doing.
I know we can't talk about all of it until you get to your live launch party later
this year. Hopefully we'll get to do something together at LA Tech Week or Art Basel. But to
add on to that, I think the bigger question is, are humans ready to know all of these layers?
We talk about it in quantum that most humans are just wet wear conditioning that
are programmed, like you said, from childhood with those traumas and those behavior patterns.
And unlearning that is a lot about therapy. But learning like what brains are, like I remember
in the 90s, psychology was not talked about very openly. This is still like pretty relative in the
human experience to like have this collective intelligence around these things. And, you know,
I work with the very, very advanced technologies that quite literally have been like sequestered
as like humans aren't ready for this stuff yet. I think that there's an angle to this around most humans are not ready to look at their real behavior patterns.
Most humans are not ready to look at their profile that lives in at least 11,000 databases
that is buying and selling your data on the open market to know about your demographics and how to sell things to you.
That is the current landscape of data.
And whoever owns the data system owns the data. The user doesn't own the data. But in our work
together, we talk a lot about own your data standards and really kind of bringing that data
home into something that a human can manage their own data. Right now around you, all of us,
we're on phones, we have laptops, we have smart TVs,
we have smart dishwashers, we have Alexa, we have cameras everywhere. There is so much user tracking
on you that you are not aware of. Most people don't know that everything on their phone is
recorded and downloaded in the middle of the night. Most people don't know that Fortune 500
companies, especially those big tech companies,
they're rich like that from selling your data and collecting your data. And you're never part of
that conversation. That's so crazy, actually. Sorry to interrupt, Christina, but this is so crazy.
Because sometimes, I see even now, actually, because we're in a space, I see this orange dot
on the top of my phone, which means like some application is recording what I'm saying.
Right. So this is something very important.
Please continue, Christina.
Thank you. I think what Brandon has done to organize this into a personal LLM of knowledge and then interface that out with your tasks,
LLM of knowledge, and then interface that out with your tasks, not only frees up your
time, but really starts to mimic you as a persona in the way that you are a persona
in the world of data.
But it brings that ownership back to you.
I think it's so brilliant.
And Brandon and I have talked many times about like, it's very much like Neo in the matrix
when he learns Kung Fu in an instant, and to teach my AI avatar to know these things and to maybe be better at some things than I am. I currently use my chat GPT, you know, as a co pilot COO marketing expert. But then I sit with my real CMO marketing expert and her work just blows me away. Like it's a it's a way to learn things and
have access to things in a collective intelligence format and Brandon and I spend a lot of time around
permissioning data and understanding the origin of that data if a brand authorized that data to
be out there versus if it was collected from a third-party API. This is just very normal in the world of data.
But I think what Brandon's done to make it very tangible
to someone like my cousin, who's non-technical,
but might want a side gig for an AI bot,
it just brings all this technology
that used to be only at the Fortune 500 level
down to the everyday level.
And I just think it's brilliant.
Thank you, Appreciate it.
Brandon, you had a few more things that we were going to be able to talk about. I can't talk
about them because I know too much, but I think you had some announcements about what's coming
up between now and the end of the year that maybe you might like to share with the audience and the folks who listen to the show later?
Yes. So we're gearing up, but just make sure you go to aphid.com and sign up for the beta.
We have over 3,000 users signed up for early testing. We have a community that's pretty
large, but you guys will be able to dive in and be some of the first testers, reserve your username.
So we have what's called AFIDID.
AFIDID is your human identifier.
So you have your own username that puts you behind those clones.
So those clones will operate on your behalf, but you still have your human ID that you'll be able to use in the network.
that you'll be able to use in the network.
We can't announce the exact date and everything else,
but Christina mentioned the Web3 aspect as well.
We will be putting it on-chain.
We've already minted a token on Solana called Bion, B-I-O-N.
It's the native utility.
Without saying too much,. We figured out a way to ultimately help benefit real world utility in the crypto market.
It's something that the crypto market has not seen.
Usually just you have a token and you're kind of like, all right, well, that was great.
The airdrop was great and then I'm out of here.
But we have some incentives in place in the AFIT network that are going to benefit you to have the token in perpetuity,
but ultimately is going to be...
We lost you for a bit there, Brendan.
Hello, Brendan? Can you still hear me?
Oh, I think we've lost him.
Yeah, like, this is nothing new to technology.
It's sad to say, though.
It's sad to say.
It's sad to say.
If you can hear me, one of the things that occurs to me, you know, so Christine was very nice to say that she likes, she's happy to see me and likes economists, but nobody likes economists. We're all very bad people.
Oh, come on.
No, no, seriously, because I always, our job, partly our job is to look for anything that could possibly go wrong, at least if we're doing mechanism design.
So we're concerned about all of the attack vectors, the incentives that are not quite compatible and so forth.
compatible and so forth. So one thing I'm wondering about, this is not specific to Brandon's
project, but generally for AI, two things. One is that if I'm dealing with an AI agent and I'm
asking it to do a task for me, it may tell me, okay, I'll do it or I'll do it for this or something like that. But in doing that, it's making a commitment on
behalf of the actual human. So the first question is, how can I go back to that human or whatever
his employer is and say, yeah, this guy agreed to sell me insurance for this price, or this guy
has promised to do this piece of work? Because there's not a persistent provable record of it.
Then I don't really have,
it's just a conversation with the device
that I can't even sue.
I can't sue Brandon because, you know,
how can I prove that his agent said something?
And then on the other side, you know,
if I give my agent control to commit me to things,
to spend my money or to sign a contract
or to agree to take on a client.
I'm concerned about that because the AI could go crazy
or it could be somehow attacked and taken over
or influenced, it could get depressed or who knows and then suddenly it spends all of
my money on a virtual vacation in maui or you know commits me to serving somebody that i have no
interest in in helping so you know the the you have to you have to have a human in the loop to
actually agree to whatever the ai commits to on the on on one side of it, on the, on the,
on the AI that is representing me. And on the other hand,
you have to have some way that the people to whom the AI makes
representations can go back and say, well, you, you met,
you put out this AI, so you've got to stand behind this. So these,
these are problems that don't occur as often
when you're dealing person to person
because humans are people that we can, again, hold accountable
and they're subject to regulation and they can be sued.
Anyway, that's one.
Geek is, by the way, the solution to that.
One reason I mentioned it.
So I worry about that.
So therefore, we found a solution all right uh thanks don for um elaborating on this
we have uh brandon back brandon welcome back as well we don't know what happened what happened
i got i got bonded out so i don't know the last thing that you guys heard. It just kicked me off randomly.
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
Don't worry at all.
I think we have, like, a question from Coop DeVille Quantum.
I'm not sure if you're listening.
If you have a question, just reach out right now.
If not, we're going to continue.
Yeah, sure.
Thank you for inviting me up.
Brandon, I have a question.
You briefly started talking about drones.
And it's not something that we talk about a lot.
And I think about it pretty often because you have a lot of people that live in remote places, right?
And this is going to really just help them out tremendously.
Can you expand upon what you're doing in the drone area with AFID AI and everything you're working on?
Yeah, so we're not working directly with drones ourself.
The drone aspect of what we are doing is some back end implementation through one of our partnerships with a company called 40 Acres.
one of our partnerships with a company called 40 Acres. I just can't talk too much about it,
but it has to do with doing with air rights. So we don't directly do anything as AFIT. We're
completely focused on what we do best, which is through the agents. But yeah, the drones are already here. Amazon, if you guys don't know, they have the autonomous drones that can work in the factory. So if you order something, it can leave the warehouse on its own, pick up the phone case, take it to your home through GPS and drop it off right in your backyard or your front porch and then go back.
and drop it off right in your backyard or your front porch and then go back.
Amazon secretly has a, I know this because I read Scott Galloway's book called The Four,
and it shows that Amazon has blimp patents where they're going to attempt to put these warehouses
on blimps that are going to float over cities.
And if you order something, be it small enough, it can basically,
the drone can take that item that you order. If you have Amazon Prime and drop it right down like you're ordering
a pizza and you can have any product that you've ordered that is available from the brand.
That's where the world of drones is going. We don't have any intention to get in the drone realm as of right now. We do have some
hardware things that we're going to be doing in the future, but that would be at a later phase.
I will add that it's a good conversation to have around data ownership. Drones start talking about
how many feet above your home is yours as part of that real estate versus
how much of this can be commercial traffic and do you want those things flying over your home
is there a way for you to even communicate your preference are your elected officials thinking
about these things it's a very big data conversation these companies are not waiting
for consumer approval they're just rolling these out and I think it's a very big data conversation. These companies are not waiting for consumer approval.
They're just rolling these out.
And I think it's a very big conversation around,
do we want to have a voice
in how these things are rolled out?
Or are we going to be completely governed by corporations?
Also, shout out to Coop DeVille.
Thank you Coop DeVille for being here.
Also, thank you for behaving yourself.
I would love to collaborate.
I would love to collaborate on LA Tech Week and Art Basel plans.
We have a lot to catch up on.
But I know you're very active in Washington, D.C. and policy.
I think that's going to become a very important thing as we're moving into 2026 election years.
as we're moving into 2026 election years?
Yeah, I think, for example, the Amazon delivery,
Yeah.
like a drone delivering my food or whatever I've been ordering
on the internet to deliver it at my balcony.
There's so much in play, right?
Like data privacy.
It's so weird to play, right? Like data privacy, like it's so weird to me, right? But like at the end
of the day, these are things
that like in my
opinion will become common, like
Uber Eats is common, like
Uber is common,
like stuff that
you order and then suddenly there's like
this drone or maybe the alter ego of yourself in a drone and it delivers you your most favorite pizza or your balcony, right?
It's such a crazy thing, actually, when you think about it.
Well, can I add a mind-blowing concept to that?
Yeah, please do. Please do. So Brandon Cooper and I talk about this a lot, and folks that follow me know that I talk about this a lot.
So in every business, there's an impact to the planet.
And so Amazon or Walmart or whatever would be able to drastically reduce their carbon footprint, the amount of cardboard that they produce, the amount of waste.
to drastically reduce their carbon footprint the amount of cardboard that they produce the amount
of waste all of these things could be considered good for the planet but at the loss of your
privacy your security all of these other things right so we really need to balance everything
and because everything that i do has to do with data we're always talking about data centers and
the cost of data to the planet what does it mean to be ecologically responsible? What does it mean to get plastics out of oceans and let corals regrow?
What do we owe the planet as a balance to all of this as human growth is crazy out of control?
And a lot of folks are going, we need more babies. We're not going to stop reproducing as humans. We
all want a certain quality of life there is a mathematical
answer but it's all tied to economics and so basically the mind-blowing concept here is that
if you order a pizza and it reduces the carbon footprint and it helps out amazon and amazon says
hey i have these other partners that have these gift cards you just won this lucky raffle with this pizza that you ordered, it starts
unlocking gift card swap opportunities of just data value being shared among fortune 500. And
then a drone delivering a pizza is an entirely different kind of thing, because your AI agent
has already gone out and got you the very best deals that come along with that pizza. And now
you're 20 points closer to that dream vacation in Paris.
That is actually what the economic impact of these AI agents and interoperability
at a Fortune 500 level would be.
Now, most people don't understand that.
So we're going to show that in the metaverse first,
and then it will very quickly start translating into in real life crossovers.
And then it will very quickly start translating into in real life crossovers.
And basically what we in the Fortune 500 data world, we call geolocation triggers that validate your persona.
In Continuum, we call that proof of use.
That's interesting, actually.
It looks like this is a very personal matter for myself.
a very personal matter for myself.
Because like,
I bought a few hectares of land
in the Amazon in Brazil
like several years ago
via an organization
in order to preserve wildlife
and nature, obviously, right?
Because like,
personally, I care a lot
about these things.
And it's also to reduce your carbon footprint, right?
So this is also something very important, I think, basically.
So this is, yeah, like as you mentioned this, Christina, this is a great thing to reduce it.
It's all just data, right?
I mean, that's why we're here at Continuum. We bring
together the people who are experts in data and especially around protecting that data.
I truly believe that Brandon Cooper and AFID are one of the shining examples of that. And we haven't
even gotten into responsible AI. If you guys knew what other folks out there are doing who are not adhering to responsible AI, it's terrifying.
Black Hat hackers do not care.
They're cracking quantum.
It's very scary out in the real data world.
But bringing it back to user ownership is what Brandon Cooper is focused on.
And I applaud that mission.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
So, Brandon, I have a question for you as well then, in that sense.
What do you think most businesses are underestimating about the impact of agentic AI, for example?
I think you would be the great person to answer this.
I'm going to say competition.
I think AI, as much as AI levels the playing field, it makes it easier for copycats.
Right now, people, they have, how would I put this?
When you go to events, right, and you talk to people, you're running into a lot of people who claim to be building, right?
And they kind of noisy up the space for real builders.
And the consumer seems like there aren't enough consumers
at a lot of these events. I mean, you go to CES and everything. So you have all these people who
are going to be using the same models. And marketing kind of creates these copycats now,
where marketing before used to be like, oh, yeah, this is great for consumers. Because guess what?
Everyone can't build. Everyone isn't a founder. Everyone is an engineer, right? So I understand that. I get that. But I think businesses
have to prepare for, you know, because IP can be useless sometimes. You spend a lot of money and
time on patents where great lawyers know how to maneuver around these, this jargon and this
verbiage that are in patents. But the software patents have basically become useless, right? And a lot of great companies
go open source. So if Peter is using this model, and I'm also using the same model, if I look at
his website and use V0 or whatever and screenshot it and take his interface and everything else,
IP is going to be really, really important. So I think what they're underestimating is community.
And without community, the companies that don't have it won't grow. That's why everyone has a
podcast now. And that's no disrespect to anyone who has one, but you just have to somehow relate
to the people who are behind your brand and your product. And that could be anything from a Beyonce
to Red Hot Chili Peppers who have big fan clubs and everything else. The difference between, you know,
Justin Bieber and the person who's trying to make it locally is the backing,
right? The money capital in the community.
I'd also add, they have a lot of technology.
Also the other big thing that independent artists do not have compared to the
big giant artists and the biggest
differentiator is access to technology. Big artists, they get agencies, they have PR groups,
they have email blasts, they have all of these curated ecosystems for collaborations.
Like the freeways are already built. If you're an independent artist, you're building those
freeways on your own. it's the same thing in
technology you're either trying to build it on your own or you're using someone else's platform
that's why it continue and we evaluate all of our partner platforms so you can know exactly how it's
being used exactly where your data lives exactly how you can level up by using some of these
technologies and actually brandon cooper you have a pretty phenomenal AFID for business program
where you are onboarding some of these enterprise clients
because I broke the program.
I was like, I need it bigger.
So can you talk about what you are doing
for some of the small, medium and large businesses,
especially as we're coming into Santa Monica,
150th anniversary, they're opening a blockchain center, they're opening a Bitcoin learning
center. They're very focused on small, medium businesses, understanding what digital assets
are. Talk to me a little bit about how AFID helps businesses.
Yes. So for those who don't know, SMBs are small, medium sized businesses, but eight out of 10 small, medium sized businesses don't have any staff at all.
They're called solopreneurs now is the term that's been coined.
But solopreneurs are basically running a business themselves.
So by having multiple agents that run on our small, medium-sized business plans that are affordable,
you're able to have a staff in yourself. So you basically have more clones on those plans. So you
might want to basically kind of nurture clone number three for finance, but clone number two,
you may want to use for sales or you might have a social media clone. So this allows a lot of the solopreneurs
to power more of the aphid clones, right? And we kind of split it out, right? So clone number three
doesn't have to work in one area. Clone number three can actually work in multiple environments
at once. So it kind of self-multiplies in a way. If you didn't know where the name comes from,
aphid, it's actually an insect that can clone itself. So that's why the company is named aphid. If you were wondering, like, what is this
bug? It's a real insect that drives farmers crazy. But anyway, that's one of the key pieces.
General use cases for chatbot deployment to their website will be there as well,
able to deploy those clones to a website. So you have to be on the business subscription to do it on a website,
opposed to your own personal link.
And then we have something that's going to merge B2C and B2B with the gig economy.
It's something that hasn't been released yet.
The world hasn't seen it just yet, but it's going to completely disrupt the gig economy.
We anticipate that we're going to take a lot of market share away from DoorDash
and some of these other gig economy opportunities
because it's going to change the landscape of how that is being done in that sector.
Awesome.
Which basically brings me to a question
Brendan, the last question because we're
about to round up the
spaces, so
like
how would you
see EFIT's role
evolving as
this kind of
transformation
unfolds, how would you see this role for effort the easiest way for
me to answer that is to say that if it is more of the Apple of AI whether you're an Android green
bubble person on the call sorry for you but'm more of the Steve Jobs guy in terms of
user interface and everything. But from a simplicity standpoint, we see ourselves as being
the change agent for the economy where people will look back and read about what happened with AI. And AFIT will be the driving pioneer company
to have kept humanity in place and where we don't go extinct. We work completely with AI
opposed to the replacement. And these big companies don't really understand them. They're
like, okay, we're going to lay off all of these people. But if the consumers aren't buying in the
economy and the habitat isn't favorable, who's going to be buying your products?
Just like Target, they're like, okay, we're going to DEI.
We're not going to do anything with African-American products and everything else.
And then now the CEO just stepped down.
It's like you can't mess with consumers, man.
You have to understand the other side of the spectrum.
So if you're a meta or whoever else, you're going to else you're gonna lay off 2 000 people 12 000 people or microsoft you know who is going to be using and buying your
product you can go b2b as long as you want but there's still a consumer aspect where the humans
have to be healthy on the other side yeah 100 100 like maybe, could I ask you to chime in on this as well from your perspective?
That's quite a lot to chime in on.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, I just talked to – so I teach ICT economics to Vanderbilt seniors.
to Vanderbilt seniors.
And we've just been talking about AI
and exactly how they should think about choosing
what degrees to get and what job to aim for
in light of the possibility that AI
is going to make these things obsolete.
So many things obsolete.
So one thing is, let's imagine that you could clone somebody and get all their skill set and so forth. It may not matter because you might not need a human to model anything on, you know, might be as an example, that some kinds of simple legal actions, legal papers and wills and so forth could be done entirely by AI.
And there's not even a lawyer that has to duplicate himself in the virtual world to offer that service.
So, you know, if AI clones are going to work, the clones have to bring a skill that is not available either from another clone or from another,
another non-human AI source.
So I wonder how that's going to work.
Yes. So John, to piggyback on that, it's, it's just,
it's just like applying for a job. So why does Brandon get the job versus John?
Why does John get the job versus Brandon?
Exactly.
It's coming from you. So yes, you're
ingesting it through a repetitive form. It's really a medium. If you're thinking about sales
funnels, right? Like I, yeah, I'm a plumber. Okay. You're a plumber. If you put a Sunoco gas station
across the street, guess what? There's going to be a mobile or marathon. Someone's going to say,
oh yeah, look, John has a gas station. Let's put one up right across the street. And if you're like, oh, well, it's Papa John's or, you
know, everyone's selling pizza. Oh, I'm going to create pizza. Right. It's the same thing that the
clone is just a medium of what you already are. So it's not like, yeah, I don't have to go through
John if I don't want to. But John is still John. There's something that you're going to offer.
Right. You're going to need that lawyer to go to court. But yeah, the lawyer doesn't have to spend all of those hours. So guess what? Now I don't have
to pay a thousand dollars an hour to a lawyer to go to sift through everything. It's going to say,
use AI or I want to use another lawyer. Like, okay, cool. Let's get the paperwork and then
I'll pay you for your time when we go to court and we have to get people get subpoenaed or whatever.
You need those physical people in person. So jobs are going to kind of shift over
just a little bit, like over to the side and to the left. Other roles like writers for TechCrunch
and everything else, they're going to be using AI to do it and they'll just touch it up over time.
But it's going to be what's called in machine learning, semi-supervised. So you have unsupervised
learning, supervised learning, semi-supervised, and you have reinforcement learning. And then it'll go into those subsets.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then now it just becomes a question of numbers.
You know, how much, will it be 5% that's left over that requires human involvement, or will
it be 50%?
If it's 5%, then, you know, we just don't need that many lawyers, even if there's got
percent, then, you know, we just don't need that many lawyers, even if there's got to be supervision.
to be supervision.
Yeah. I mean, there's the worst case scenario is not receiving UBI, universal basic income,
where we're just getting stimulus checks. The best case scenario is we don't have to work as much.
We do get UBI to a certain point. And if you want to make extra over that, then you can continue the
hustles and the careers that you already use. But it's not going to be this plague where it's oh man everything is
gone but it's going to get very the waters are going to get very very murky over the next few
years and i think what's going to society is ultimately going to decide um as the consumers
to the government what's going to happen. And blockchain and everything
else, there's so many industries, smart cities, IOT, there's so many industries that are about
to appear. New jobs are going to be created across the spectrum. So I'm not necessarily
worried about that, but I am more worried about the McDonald's workers because they're going to
be gone. Their customer service sucks anyway so robots are
going to just drop the double cheeseburgers in and you know as an example i don't eat mcdonald's but
yeah an example no i have the opposite take on that so i know that robbie wants us to wrap up
and i know that dirty has a uh hand up but sorry i have the exact opposite take of that
of that so so brandon's in the agentic ecosystem right but i'm in the you know organizational
psychology background like really understanding how humans tick humans are extremely good at
reacting and then creating a new normal they're very bad at change management so when you shock
them with change they hate it but when you give them a new normal especially if they're
earning money with it they're very quick to adopt it think about in our lifetimes
how we went from dial-up and the kind of computers to now we have a computer in
our hand 24 7 that we feel naked if we don't have it with us that is literally
capturing our entire lives
and feeding it back to those databases.
We have no ownership of any of that,
but we have a computer in our hand all the time.
And like I grew up before dial-up was real, right?
And now I work in AI and all of these other things.
I will agree with Brandon that the show up to do a job,
but actually it's just eight hours around
the water cooler, those jobs are over. In order to interact with AI, you have to interact with AI.
You need to sit down, understand what you're doing, understand what your approval systems are,
understand what your impact to that business economy is. Now, are businesses going to be looking at this
and going, well, if AI can do it, then we need to just fire our workforce. Yeah, they are. They've
already had those conversations. I'm on the opposite end of that argument, saying I think
it will be very easy to teach humans how to leverage their skill set and apply AI so they become superhuman marketers or superhuman
film creators or superhuman data AI wizards, you know, whatever it is that they're doing.
So using this autonomous automation component and putting that data back into the hands of
the users and the creation and the approval systems. Like that's the new frontier of interfaces and UI UX.
I think websites inherently don't cater to a feeling, right?
I don't think that there's a lot of like,
basically I think the entire brand relationship
is gonna shift over the next decade.
And we're ready for it because started in voice AI and all
of that. So we know how much data is being collected on you guys all the time. You guys
aren't aware of it. It will actually, I think, will be a human revolution shift when we start
presenting these profiles. And they go, wait, you know that about me? I don't want you to know that
about me. Wait,
Congressman, we need to fix this. When that conversation starts and humans start to feel
empowered by the voting system again and feel that they have a voice because they have a voice in a
gentic format that is making them money, that is basically their IP. But teaching humans that
concept is not something we start out in grade
school. And I think it should be because it's part of the financial economic knowledge transfer that
we need to do for the next generation. And I am on the side of aliens. And I think if aliens were
passing by our planet, they would go, these people still have their nuclear weapons pointed at each
other, and they still use money.
We're not stopping there. Keep your windows rolled up. We'll stop and pattern.
Like that would be how the outside world would view what's happening on this little rock.
And we need to understand that we're united. There is no Mars solution that's going to save what's going on in our oceans right now.
All of us are valuable. All of us are humans. We all do something that no
AI can ever do. And that's living our life, right? And that is where our value should be.
Communities, building things up, building better ideas, having access to these technologies.
I'm very inspired by what the future can bring by leveraging AI. I'm very terrified by the centralized AI that
exists right now in Palantir and how much they already know about you and what they're planning
to do with that data without you having any voice in it. I want to give you guys back your voice.
Right. No, no. It's been awesome, Christina. Thank you so much for elaborating on these things as well. In the meantime, I saw Dirty had another question.
Go ahead, Dirty.
A little bit of a hot mic there, John.
Just give a heads up on there.
Thanks.
Sure, go ahead.
So I think there's a – to be honest, Brandon, I am ready for whatever you're building.
I'm just giving you a heads up, John.
You got a bit of a hot mic there.
John, can you go on mute?
Yeah.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Brandon, whatever you're building, I'm following.
I got my notifications on.
I am now taking data and putting it into spreadsheet.
Anyway, there's a lot to do to be efficient here, okay?
Part of what the integration of what I've done with information is to take institutional knowledge as that stuff
moves out and to get it into a database so we can um is to get it on online so we can work more
efficiently okay so as we move towards that um you know to be decentralized and not to be owned by a multinational corporation that they
can use that to do one thing is to have power. I'm really, I like the idea of decentralized.
I think that that is something that needs to be done. How do they figure out that structure? There's
a lot of different ways of doing that. I think we have to learn to think outside of the box here is
that whatever our concept of what artificial intelligence will truly bring is beyond our concept.
No one can look forward enough to really understand what that is.
So we have to almost kind of think outside the box, almost just reassess how we look at the future, honestly, because it's going to be different than what we actually think it will be.
But as the planning process of that happens, find those organizations that are building AI, especially if you're talking about artificial intelligence that has true intelligence, that they're going to put those markers in place as how do we control this in some sense.
And those markers need to be done before they're building, right?
And some of those markers might be, I don't know what the hell is going on here.
We've got to figure out when we don't know what's going on here because it could get out of control potentially.
I look at it as a glass half full for me in the sense that what does a free market society do is when AI figures out what maximum efficiency is. And when maximum efficiency is in place is that, yes,
we have our agents out there. We have our tools to be able to work more efficiently,
whether it's creating food or providing the resources that people need. But we need to
figure out what do we do with people at that point, right? And so those markers need to be
in place. We need to figure that out before the technology is even really implemented.
Right. Because whether it's the McDonald's workers or whether that, you know,
I need to have somebody running the counter or whatever you have it is that
we're going to be more efficient and it's going to come,
it's going to happen very quickly.
So whomever that you decide that the AI project that you're involved in
is to make sure they have those markers in place. And I just want to leave it at that. So great.
You guys have such a good room. Awesome, man. Thank you, Dirty. Appreciate your support.
Dirty, you basically just encompassed responsible AI.
Essentially what you just said is kind of like every brand needs to be evaluated.
What are you doing with this AI?
Does it benefit someone or does it benefit you?
A lot of consumers would be very surprised at those answers.
I am blessed to be working with the people that care about benefiting the consumers and ensuring that kind of transparency, but it is not the norm.
It's not how most people in their businesses think.
Because no one, there's very few decentralized AI platforms out there,
because right now, everyone that we know of right now, right,
is a centralized, which is people's, ah, whatever, we just use it
and it's fine. But no, no, no, it's very important that if those markers are in place to decentralize
it, that we can't have that information used against us. And so I'll give you a rural world
example. Do you remember when a lot of us were in high school is that we didn't have cell phones,
right? And we just went about our lives. But now what happened is, can you imagine raising a child now that doesn't have a cell phone?
That's become an essential tool that's required for you as a parent to provide that child because they can't live without it.
Now imagine when AI and true AGI is implemented, and that is a tool that you absolutely have to have. And if you can't live
without it, or no one can live without it, do you want a central organization that is a multinational
corporation? Their intent is to only provide more and more power to actually control that.
And so that's why I say, look for the decentralized, look for those projects,
because you can actually be involved a bit with shaping that
if it's a really good decentralized platform. I think we're probably still three to five years
away from people really understanding the power of decentralization. I think that Geek, which is
in my eight-year experience in blockchain, this is the first viable solution I've seen as database as a blockchain.
It's the first viable solution that Fortune 500 could plug into and be able to manage the vastness of their data, but actually still protect it.
I think there's a huge role for Aphid to play in this bigger economy because they've created the buckets for your AI
personality to live and they've created this marketplace of like Neo learns
kung-fu moments that can upgrade your AI and I think that whole concept is
completely transformative to what we think of as economics I would actually
tell everyone yes I work in technology, but please
take time to unplug and get back to nature and put your feet in the dirt or get to the sand or touch
water or anything you can do to be near nature, especially if you live in a city, like sit in
front of a plant, get some sun, because we're not meant to have all of this right here in our hands.
The computer that lives on your cell phone is stronger than the computer that sent the first
rockets to the moon. I'm not going to debate whether or not we went to the moon. Okay,
we've got the technology. All right. So all of these things, right? We need a source of truth as humans. And some of us don't get it
as we're growing up. Some of us, you know, aren't raised in an ecosystem where we get to learn
advanced mathematics or, you know, the basics of finance. And so I think the biggest thing
to take away from all of this is that agentic AI means that you as a human have worth. You have worth in how you
interact with the ecosystem. And for the first time, this data and this power is coming into
your hands for you to decide what you are going to do with it. Dirty heard about 30 seconds and
he goes, I want it. I need it. Here's how, here's the use case. Like he's ready for it.
But the rest of the world is gonna take time
to see the advantages.
And it's really gonna be understanding
how it impacts your neighbor,
understanding these things around a dinner table.
That is where real adoption happens.
And most of this comes down to
if the humans can understand it
and they're making money at it, they tend to adopt it.
And I know my CMOs in the audience right now just laughing because it's the biggest thing
we try and break down at Continuum is how do we explain this very big concept in a way
that is very tangible and meaningful to the layman.
And I think that-
You are doing a great job of actually explaining in a way that for the layman. And I think that you are doing a great job of actually explaining it
in a way that for the layman's like myself is that I can understand things now. And I won't
kind of shut this down geek, but I'm really interested in what geeks do. And I'm really
interested in the fact that layer zero and multi chain, and I'd have to, I'll do my research. If
you want to, I'll get on the page. I'll look at it when I get time. The whole layer zero and multi-chain is interesting to me, but you guys have
done such a great job of just explaining it to the layman. So thank you. Thank you. And thank
you for all your kind words, everybody. Sorry, I was on mute. No, like, thank you dirty as well
for the feedback. It's like, I think it's it's very important because at the end of the day,
geek is very complex, if I can say
so myself, right?
It's very important
to have someone to lay
it out in lay terms, right?
For someone who has no idea what's going on.
And I think Geek, the team, has been doing a great job,
and Christina as well from Continuum has been doing a great job
explaining Continuum and how does Geek play a role in continuum as well so thank you so much as well for the
that feedback dirty and i have coup de ville like i'm kind of french so i say coup de ville
so could you have a question as well mate go ahead yeah i. Yeah, I have a question. It's going to be like a can of worms
question, but I just wanted to bring the
topic into the real life.
Bring it on. Bring it on, Coop.
We love it.
Universal basic income
and people that are going to get
phased out with this AI
switch because a lot of new jobs
are going to get created, but what
Brandon said about the McDonald
workers and the people doing just shit that AI could just easily do better than any human,
it's going to be a problem. So I'm curious what y'all think about UBI.
I'm going to take this one first because it's a hot topic at Continuum because we do work with
policy influencers and things like this.
Brandon, I'm really excited to hear your take on it. And John, really excited to hear your take as
well. And Dirty, if you want to go on mute, because we have a little bit of a hot mic.
So basically, so universal basic income is the thing that we don't talk about.
It's basically the heartbeat of everything we do at Continuum.
It's why the data matters.
It's why I say you have value as a human,
because that's why the tech companies are rich,
because they're trading on your value.
That's literally the economics behind it.
They don't like me saying that. I don't like saying that. I don't want to target on my back, but that's how the data works
today. And so if we were to incorporate the user in that equation of economics, it would
inadvertently translate to universal basic income. But the issue is that you can't just like start
out with like welfare, right? Like everyone hears UBI and they think welfare. So you have to think
about the kind of persona that wants to be on welfare. That's like, this is the answer. I'll
be on welfare versus the kind of persona that's like, oh my God, my life's upside down. I'm screwed.
I need to be on welfare. Right. And getting resources to that person is a big part of my heartbeat every day. Shout out to food banks,
shout out to shelters, shout out to everyone that protects women and children. Like we need more of
that and we need more reward systems. We need more philanthropy flowing to that in a transparent way
that shows impact. And to do that, you would get user feedback
from the programs that are being used.
And you'd be able to say, this transformed my life.
I'm-
Oop, did we lose Christina?
Yeah, I think so for a minute.
Christina, you there?
Evidently, you said something you shouldn't have.
No, but like,
he's been having some issues with
X as well lately.
Well, we've always had issues.
Yeah, it's been a pain in the ass.
Freaking Elon.
Yes.
In the meantime, sorry, John. In the meantime,
sorry, John.
In the meantime,
Brandon, I have a question for you.
Yes, sir.
How do you
see AFIT's
role
evolving as it's
transformation
in force, actually? There's a huge thing going on.
So how do you see Aphid's role evolving in this?
Yeah, it's really democratizing AI.
AI is, because of how new it is, per se,
the world is still warming up to it. There are a lot of tools
that have made it great, but it really hasn't put the soul into it behind a brand.
I just I don't want to say certain companies you trust more than others, but you guys can read between the lines.
You know, it's just it's nothing wrong with working with the government and using certain things.
But I think there is power in a company
that kind of is for the betterment of people. And a lot of these leaders, big CEOs, they really just
didn't, they never tell the truth. They, you know, they never talk about real world topics. And
I'm not talking about discussing politics or anything else, but I mean, like these CEOs,
I mean, how much soul do they really, have right like this company is you guys can hold me to it when aphid is the unicorn that we're
striving to be in eight years or five years or could be next summer um you know say well brandon
stuck to himself and kept kept himself at ground floor i think people lose touch
of what kind of happens on on the ground level of what's
happening with real people. I think AI is not the biggest threat to humans. Humans are the biggest
threat to AI because humans are the ones that are programming these robots and programming the
robotics and the machines. So, you know, to be as moronic as to be our own destruction just shows why God made a human last.
I think humans are the threat to so many things, right?
I mean, at the end of the day.
Yeah, but that's how I see aphid.
As I mentioned earlier, being the apple of aphid is really just having that having the feel having the energy having the
realness into what ai means ai is just a tool but we're more of a brand in the company of the people
first opposed to trying to make a buck yeah yeah no like uh really, I think it's a fascinating thing, actually,
because, like, from what I remember, like, Elon Musk has a,
like, I don't want to call it a group or anything,
but, like, let's call it an organization when it comes to humans and AI, right?
humans and
AI, right?
And, I mean,
at the end of the day, sometimes
it can get a bit too far
in a way, but
at the end of the day, if you have
good intentions, it's only
for the efficiency
of everything, right? Of your whole
life, of your whole
social life, of your whole
life when it comes to even basically doing your tax returns.
It's that simple, basically.
And also show and prove, too.
It's one thing to talk about it and not being able to execute
because of capital and other reasons of why something may or may not work.
But what I can promise you is my effort and the team's effort.
So, you know, we have a really nice-sized team,
but it's really about the effort into what's being put into it
because I think everyone is naturally negative.
So you'll get on certain calls like this,
or if you just go in and comment on any post,
you're just going to see negativity.
The world is just based on negativity.
The news is negative. You go to sleep, it's negative. You wake up, it's negative. People love that negativity.
So it's really, really important to protect that energy and just find that tribe who understands
the mission and they follow that mission as a collective. As Christina, we talk about all the
time. It's the hive mind thinking of, that's why we have the ecosystem built the way that we have it we have some hive mind collective intelligence that's going to be
built into it where the community is going to be able to drive a lot of the decisions in the
aphid network that's awesome dial system yes sir yeah that's awesome that's awesome i think like
when it comes to attitude when it comes to businesses, I think obviously we
as Geek and Continuum
we get along very well. I think
we, with you, Brandon
and Aphid, I think we
get along very well
actually as well in order to
make this world a better
place, right? At the end of the day.
There's
a lot of technology
there's, like, let me say this, like,
there's a lot of technology to do
bad things, right,
and there's a lot of technology to do
amazing things, right,
and that's where we all
are a part
of it, and I think
it's such an amazing thing, actually, to have
all these great people
to band
together, in a way, right?
To do all these amazing
things for society.
It's priceless,
in my opinion, right?
Yeah, very important.
And I'm glad you said that. I think we
as the collective have to continue to support each other and your community becomes our community. You know, everyone wants to run to the big companies, but if you combine together you know think about how
it starts off with this the smaller group here and then it grows to hundreds of thousands like
yeah we're going to protect the people that we come in here if there's anyone negative we kick
them out like it's just it's really that simple you're a good you can get the hell out of here
yeah and i mean at the end of the day you have people who you always have some people who are negative.
But like, I mean, you believe in your purpose.
You believe in what you believe in.
You believe in a team that you work with.
And you believe in the better things of things.
Right.
So like, there's always people who have bad things to say about anything at the end of the day, but that's just the way life is, right?
Yeah, just keep staying around.
There's nothing you can do about it.
And it takes a village.
It takes people who are in these rooms here.
And merging brains together because you're a specialty, you feed off those those different specialties and
guess what we become better as a society yeah i i i completely uh joined that statement as well
like a community is so freaking important that's why we do like every week uh on a thursday we have
our gig spaces where we have our
partners or the partners of our
partners which you are now as well
as well from Continuum
Christina I'm not sure if you're
here again I think I'm back
I'm back lovely lovely
lovely great to have you back
again Christina so
in that
with his friends for like in this progress,
like Christina, I have a question for you as well.
Because like we're going to end the spaces pretty soon
because we're closing almost two hours, which is great, obviously.
So Christina, I have a question for you, which is,
with Continuum, like, do you have any tidbits or thoughts to share on what you're working on with AI in the past few days?
Just something to share with us, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Awesome. Let's summarize so i just so i just flew to santa monica to meet with my partners who run the celebrity ecosystem who's exploring our metaverse opportunities our motion capture
kind of like the dots on an actor but then then rendered in 3D, what that can mean to digital onstage performances,
what the consumer and fan driven engagement could mean if you purchase the ticket to those digital performances.
If a real human performer is involved with those digital performances,
is involved with those digital performances,
if those digital performances might involve people
who have passed away and are loaning their catalogs back
to those digital performances,
what that means for in real life concerts, festivals,
city planning and twinning,
what it means to legacy brands, luxury brands
who might wanna scan a specific handbag and have it available in the metaverse.
What all of this means in AR VR. So using our phone as kind of a portal in real life back into the metaverse.
What all this means to artists in terms of music, merchandise and media, community management, what this means to owning your data and understanding your economy of your fan base, how all this is coming together in the metaverse layer that is actually reflected back to blockchain, AI, and quantum brands, as well as luxury and legacy brands.
as well as luxury and legacy brands,
brand reputation has a lot to lose
if we don't get it right for blockchain and AI.
So it's been very interesting to talk to my AI partners
around let's run events where when you sign up for the event,
you give a quick 30 seconds
about what you're hoping to accomplish at that event.
And then whether or not you meet the right people that day we can connect you on the
back end through your profile and so having these kind of opportunities for
collaborations showcasing content and IP and really just establishing an own your
data protocol for the universe is super exciting and we can't wait to showcase the LA Tech Week which
will be October 13th and October 16th and Art Basel which is December 1st and the entire timeline
of that crazy week of Art Basel and shout out to our partners BitBasil, GenZio, shout out to
Monty Greenspan at Quantum Economics, shout out to Wheelhouse Media and Debra Prius, shout out to Monte Greenspan at Quantum Economics, shout out to Wheelhouse Media and Debra Prius,
shout out to Synth Studios and Sizzle and Brian Weiner,
and our partners at Famecast and Holo AI,
all of the partners, Omniversity and Charlene Nichols,
all of the partners that have brought this together,
shout out to Open Wave and our merch platform i mean this is basically
creating a data economy where it's no cost to the artist they can have on-demand merch
real relationships with their fan base and creates an economy of immersion in a way that
concert goers and and fan experiences have never seen before.
So I'm honored that everyone trusts me to lead this technology.
I'm honored to have partners like AFID here with us and partners like Geek.
You guys are really building the data frontier,
and I'm just so happy to be a part of all of it.
So thank you for that.
That's so awesome, Christina.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
And like, I'm in Europe.
So like you've discussed Switzerland.
I know a lot of people in Switzerland.
So like, I'm going to make it a mission to go there as well, to make it happen, to be a part of the...
I'd love for you to fly in, but the greatest thing we're doing, the greatest thing we're delivering between now and 2027 is you can be anywhere in the world and come to Continuum.
You can be anywhere in the world and get access to these portals.
Oh, Christina, you know, I'm not sure if you want me to go everywhere in the world.
Robbie, I want you everywhere.
I want you to at every event. I want you holding the microphone for the red carpet.
I want you everywhere, please.
The world needs to know about geek, and you are the biggest geek geek there is.
Also, shout out because John is like second runner-up of the biggest geek geek,
and I think Stephanie would approve of that statement.
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Yeah, no, like, I'm, I mean, everyone knows in gig that I'm great at talking to people and, like, going to conferences.
That's what I've been doing for the last eight years.
So, yeah, like, I would love to go to these kind of things.
And, like, I'll leave, mark your people along the way.
October 13th through October 17th is LA Santa Monica.
It's 150th anniversary of Santa Monica.
They're going to be announcing all of these adoption of digital assets.
I've waited almost a decade for this moment.
And then the first week of December, we're in Miami for Art
Basil. And then mark your calendars. There's a certain technology conference in Vegas the first
week of January that we might be announcing a few things. And then that leads into a very
packed 2026. So I cannot wait for you guys to all be along with us. Robbie, thank you for letting me
do a takeover once a month at the Geek Podcast.
I really appreciate it.
I'm really looking forward to showcasing
all of our technology portfolio.
And shout out to Brandon Cooper,
Aphid, oh my gosh.
The world still doesn't even
know all the things that I know.
I know you told them some things today,
but I cannot wait for them to know what I know.
It's really awesome. It's really awesome.
That's really awesome.
What's really cool about Geek as well, as you know, Christina,
as well, we're very down-to-earth, we're very human
beings, right? Especially when it comes to Stephanie,
she's freaking awesome.
And like,
if you or Brandon
ever are in
Europe, just let me know.
And like, when it comes to
the Web Summit, for example,
in Lisbon, because I live in Lisbon.
I was going to say, just pick
a date. I'll put it on the calendar. Let's
plan it right now. I mean, live alpha to the audience. Yes. Yes. And yes. Yes. And yes. My CMOs in the audience going, oh my gosh, Christina, come on. But this is it. Let's go international. years to make sure that we could be doing all this with under a regulatory microscope
i spent years to create the system that would push the reports in real time about what we're
doing that there is nothing untoward about anything that's happening at continuum and i i did a lot of
research to help protect the celebrities and kind of establish their learning curve and go here's
the people you should trust so i mean yes mean, yes, let's take this international.
When do you want to do it?
Yeah, like a web summit is usually in November, I think.
Oh, dear God.
Okay.
Yeah, so you need to come to Lisbon in November.
Okay.
I will show you everything in the city.
Like you won't regret it at all.
No, no, no.
So, Robbie, this is so perfect.
And Stephanie will love this.
Okay, so perfect segue here.
So shout out to all the sponsors that are listening here
because the sponsors make our world possible.
If you are a brand that is building in blockchain and AI,
we have a home for you.
If you're a legacy brand that's exploring digital assets or how do I use AI,
or here's how we think we're going to use AI, we have a home for you.
We want to bring all this together as a technology normalization conversation at Continuum.
We are accepting sponsorships so that we can start to commit to things like a Lisbon conference,
which I think we absolutely should do.
It's the web summit.
Well, you're better.
You're better at this.
And that's the whole thing that we have through Golden Door is the VVIP,
which is like we have the trade show floor,
and then we have the mansion ecosystem,
and then we have the VVIP,
which is then we bring the celebrities down to the
mansion ecosystem i think it's it's weird it's complicated it's called an after party but that's
where stuff happens but the after party is where the deal flows out welcome to my world welcome
to my world okay i'm like yelling okay so let me stop so robbie if you could do this for me in a
brilliant little snippet that my cmo can send to the sponsors, can you talk a little bit around why someone would want to be in that room that you and I put together in Lisbon?
I will make it happen for you, Christina.
I will do that because I've been a part of Fintech Portugal,
who's been boosting technology in Portugal.
There's a new university that's been building in Portugal as well,
very close to me.
So there's a lot of technology going on as well.
So there's a lot of stuff we on as well. So like there's a lot of stuff.
There's a lot of stuff we can do together.
Together, yeah.
Consider it a yes from me.
Why don't you tell Stephanie what our calendar looks like and I will get my people involved in a yes.
I would love to.
Bom dia, bom dia.
This is why I have AI so that I can speak Portuguese.
That's true, that's true. even if I can't speak Portuguese.
We're bringing Brandon Cooper with us.
We're bringing John with us for sure.
Yes, I think all of this is kind of, I mean, this excitement is why we do what we do. It is an international conversation and continuum builds to the MECA EU standards not the framework that the US has
even though the US still reflects that strategy because I submitted my paperwork last April so
basically all of these things are pretty well green grass non-regulatory it's just commerce
right so we're not doing tokens we're not issuing crazy things. But on the flip side of
that conversation, we need everyone to be ready for that part when everyone does have a token,
when Joe the mechanic has a token, right? These are brand promises, and we need an ecosystem that
can understand that. And that's ultimately what Continuum is building.
True, true, true. And that is what Continuum is building. True, true, true. And that is what Continuum is building and that's what Geek is going to be a part of
and we're very excited to do so.
I literally could not do what I wanted to do
until I met Stephanie.
And I've said this before on your podcast.
I've said this before on your podcast,
but the day I met Stephanie,
it was like eight years of running and both of us, we had both been running for eight years.
But we like ran slow motion across a field of flowers the day that we met.
We were like, yes, blockchain is a data center.
Yes, blockchain for Fortune 500.
Because the ecosystem of NFTs and and blockchain like it's not robust it wasn't robust enough
until geek was like listen you can build whatever fields you want and you can permission them however
you want i was like thank you i needed a layer zero christina and for peanuts i know and like
my world is all about data centers and you guys are like let's just decentralize it it can live in a lot of places i was like holy moly what are the possibilities now yeah it's it's i mean like
i've been in crypto for the last eight years or something and like i've i've never been
as passionate about the project as like i've been about geek. Like it's just a game changer.
And sometimes it's sad to see people not understand it
or somehow, you know, like.
But then that's where Stephanie comes in.
And she, in the real world,
Stephanie has been freaking amazing.
Like for real, she's been doing so many meetings,
so many, even though it's like,
she tells every one of us,
like she doesn't go to conferences and everything,
but then she comes back to a conference
and she's like, oh, I met this person.
I met this person.
We're going to do this.
I'm going to do this.
I'm like, Stephanie. Let me just tell you that she did the most
spectacular interview at continuum yesterday it was so on point i want her to do it again
but i know that brandon cooper has to leave so i want to give him the last word because
what he contributed today is some very serious alpha I think it is game changer in the agentic AI landscape.
I think it's honestly, I think it's bigger than open AI.
It's like if your chat GPT gave you a reward, like that's what Brandon Cooper represents.
Well, I appreciate it.
I just want to say thanks everyone for dedicating your time, being here in this space. I look forward to connecting with you all individually, to Geek, to Christina, Continuum. Thank you very much. I enjoyed this discussion. I love the questions. I love the intellect of everyone that's here and been adding their input. So thank you guys. I appreciate it much
and look forward to the future. Thank you so much, Brendan. We love you so much.
We love you so much. I look forward to being in the AI myself. By you.
Sure. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate your support. Talk soon.
No, no, for sure. Thank you so much, Brendan, for joining. No problem.
No, no, for sure. Thank you so much, Brendan, for joining.
No problem.
So Robbie, I have a tiny request.
So early, early in the program, Miss Emmy tried to come up,
and I had to send her back to the listener
because we were trying to get through a few agenda points.
But then Dirty came up, and then I really wanted Emmy to come up
and be able to ask her a question again.
Is there any chance we can bring her up and kind of wrap up and then i really wanted emmy to come up and be able to ask her question again is there any
chance we can bring her up and kind of wrap up and close after that yeah go ahead like uh emmy
emmy are you listening can you request i'm gonna send you a request to speak uh pretty quickly
and i know that brandon had to leave but i'll do my best to create a very non-NDA answer to whatever Emmy asks.
The truth is that Brandon can do almost anything that you can dream up.
I have other partners that are waiting in the wings for him to be fully funded so that we can do all the things.
Most of this just comes from fundraising support.
And I know we never ever talk about tokens at Continuum.
This is one of those tokens I really think is worth
you guys researching and doing your own research on.
I think it's, there's a lot of claims around AI
and blockchain converging.
This one, I have a decade of proof under my belt
about what they're doing like
I love this project okay let's go ahead because like I mean it's not replying so go ahead Christina
still it oh no I can't no I just did that was me saying it without saying it because I know
what regulations are so I'd like to let Emmy ask
a question, but if you get a chance, Geek,
while we're here, I
would like to know a little bit more
about Geek and Continuum, but
I'll let Emmy go.
The thing is, I mean, I think
she has a
bad connection.
Emmy gave up on me because I sent her back down to this i mean i just want
you to know that i love you i i wish we could uh bring you back up and please feel free to send me
uh dms for messages of course we want to talk about continuum stuff get you in contact
uh with everyone that we bring here and just rob, Robby, thank you to Geek for allowing us to have this
platform. You know, we
talked about, like, once a month, we're going to
bring some pretty mind-blowing
programs here.
So thanks for letting us showcase
Brandon Cooper from AFID.
Yeah, it's been,
honestly, Christina, it's been a pleasure to
having you as well.
So we're going to have this co-hosting space every third of the month.
I think it's a really cool thing as well for the geek community
to understand what is geek doing, actually,
and what are our partners doing?
What's Continuum doing?
You know, like, we talked about this a month ago,
which seems a long time, actually.
Well, we talked about this a month ago,
like, what Continuum does for,
I don't want to say the regular people
but like people who don't have
an idea about
Web 3, Web 2
and like how can I
kind of profit, benefit
from it, right?
That's where you guys come in
and that's also
where Geek comes in, that's also where Geek
comes in
so like this is
a really
honestly it's been a pleasure to meet you
to talk to you
to understand
what you guys are doing at Continuum
to understand what
Geek could bring
the added value for continuum
in order to get everything safe, right?
Because, like, for myself, I've been socially engineered
for, like, so many times already.
And I think, like, there's a lot of people as well
that's been trying to be scanned by social engineering so I think like no I don't think I
know like geek is the solution for these things you know like and like especially Stephanie
a lot of people in the team has been talking to a lot of people in real world you know because
like we're bridging web 2 to web 3 so we've been talking to a lot of people in real world, you know, because, like, we're bridging Web 2 to Web 3.
So we've been talking to a lot of people,
and there's a lot of concern about, in Web 2, actually, about Web 3, right?
So that's the thing.
There's a lot of cautiousness and suspiciousness in Web2 about Web3.
And so this is why Geek can help so much in your security about Web3.
So this is something very...
Like for myself, I've been in IT for 15 years.
This is something very exciting, you know, like, this is a solution to what your grandmother,
like, I mean, I'm talking about geek right now with social engineering.
This is about what your grandmother is being protected to, you know?
This is, like, the people you care about, even yourself.
Like, for myself as well, I had an email from the Portuguese tax authorities.
It's what I taught, right?
And then I checked the email, and the email didn't check out.
And then I'm like, oh, this is not real, you know?
Like, you need to be freaking vigilant all the time.
You need to be vigilant all the time.
Yeah, I mean, that's Harry Potter, right?
Stay vigilant.
Yeah, this is Harry Potter.
Hey, you know, us nerds stick together.
Us nerds cross many Venn diagrams.
We cross lots of Venn diagrams.
No, but I agree.
It's scary, Christina, because they send me a link,
and if I'm not aware of my own status of what I'm doing and whatever,
I would just click the link and like, I would do whatever
I would click in my login or whatever, but it's so freaking scary actually, you know, like, uh,
it's like, it's funny you say that because like, so ironically, uh, my grandmother really does
think that I'm her personal it assistant. So like I really do build tech for my grandma
because she goes through this exact same thing
and she'll text me something that I say,
don't click it, don't click it.
Right, but if you don't have a Christina in your life,
like how is that information ever gonna get out to everyone
unless I can like agentically clone myself
and say go to Continuum, here's the things that are real, right? So what
we're really focused on at Continuum is like validating the things that are real, validating
the brand promise, the brand reputation. These are all really the primary focus of how we organize
our data to the consumers. Because the truth is, I am building technology for my cousins and my grandmother. I come home
from conferences and I'm so excited and they're like, yeah, okay, but what does that mean to me?
And I realized that that is the most important question. It's the most important question to
any consumer. Like, okay, cool, fine, whatever. But like, what does it mean? And if you can't
answer that in a format that they can dig a little deeper, start to build their own trust systems with.
And so that's why we were really focused on authorized data. And that's where geek really comes in.
And I'll just tie this full circle back. It's a little little commercial about geek and continuum here.
continuum here. But essentially, like one of my first use cases for geek is we have to treat geek
as the most public information that has been authorized by continuum. It goes through this
crazy vetting process and all these SOWs and this internal centralized data and this, you know, AI
project management system to ensure from a workflow, the authorized user has
clicked the right button to ensure that that data can be loaded into the chatbot to be discovered
by continuum users. So it's the most important data flow. But the very first thing that I want to publish on the Geek blockchain will be a list of faucets,
which is essentially any project that is like, hey, click this link or open a wallet and you get
free crypto. It's monopoly money anyway. So all you have to do is make it through the continuum
vetting system and we will publish your link about how my cousins or my grandma can get free money. That's
what a faucet is. It's all just monopoly money. It's packets of data and Continuum really
understands like the more robust packets of data that go behind like a ticket to a concert that
unlocks other things in the metaverse that's all data and essentially the only
thing the system needs to know at geek is does this user have that badge does continuum have the
data that's necessary for that user to have a key to unlock it they don't actually need to know the
whole database they don't need to see inside the aphid agentic system they don't need to know
why the ferrari engine runs or shout out to lamborghini why the lamborghini engine runs
the way it does because we might be doing some very interesting things with them
but really creating this economy of fan engagement and very clean first party verified data is why we chose geek. Now geek is able to
scale at the fortune 500 level, which is potentially millions of data fields. And continuum is going to
be that middleman that says, Hey, fortune 500, no sweat. Tell us like the 20 that actually matter.
We'll create an AI agentic system that goes and crawls that we
won't disrupt your existing data system but we need to pull that forward into an nft authorized
by your company in order to make a brand promise to the consumer and because you don't understand
how to do that we're going to do it for you and we're going to show it transparently and as you're
generating that revenue we're going to show that transparently as well oh you want
that as assets on your books and paying taxes no you don't okay you want that as philanthropic
initiatives and we show the transparency behind that as well oh you're buying carbon credits now
brands start to really understand how to own their data. And that is ultimately the vision we're bringing together.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, I'm so excited about this actually with Continuum because like when you talk
about data, like it's such an important thing because like many people have no idea on what
data the applications these people are downloading,
you know, like a stupid example, Angry Birds,
or I'm single, so like let's say Hinge,
Hinge dating profile, you know.
There's so many things that should basically allow this application
to know about you, you know?
Like, it's pretty weird.
Okay, so let me throw a few things back at you.
So I also love my mobile phone games.
I recently, in my trip, I didn't have Wi-Fi, and I felt like I was camping in the middle
of the woods in this $6 million mansion.
So that was super interesting, humbling experience.
Did you do iWashka or something?
No, no.
It's for sale, so they didn't have Wi-Fi set up.
But I was like, anyway.
Okay, so moving on.
They let us host an event there. We love them. Thank you. Shout out. Okay. So I play this dumb
They let us host an event there.
We love them.
Shout out.
game where it's like little goblins that like mine these rocks and you get rewards. And there's
like three main things. There's like coins, gems, and like diamonds or something. Right.
And basically like, I always think about like, I'm on this stupid video game. I really wish I
was getting rewarded for it. Now the video game itself might not have a reward ecosystem,
but maybe Target wants to buy a sponsorship and be like,
play this video game and be eligible for a $20 gift card.
That is the power of these data packets that you and I
so arbitrarily just talk about as data.
That's the power of connecting these things through an authorized ecosystem.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's so true.
Like these benefits in a game or like,
like I'm thinking.
Or education or reading or going through an immersive experience where you
understand what it's like to be a schizophrenic.
Like these are things that are possible across time and space when you factor in the
metaverse. I feel that the metaverse is the best fabric for presenting all of these complex ideas
because it's the only fabric that we have in e-commerce that relates a feeling more so than
a website experience. It's an emotion that you're going through, right so than like a website experience.
It's an emotion that you're going through, right?
Like you have a website, you can like a website,
but like if it brings you an emotion, it's different, right?
We're curating like mini games.
So like, I don't want to drop names,
but like, for example example if a large brand
was like you might not understand that we want you to open an account here but
if you go through our mini game and you collect our logo and you bring it back
to our kiosk it automatically opens an account if there's rewards there's
gamification like humans really love a reward humans really love validation and they really love being able to unlock doors. And we really wanted to tap into that, not in a gaming dopamine way, but in a level up in life, go to an education class and keep that badge with you when you go to your next networking event. Like we wanted transparency of data to represent like what that human is in the ecosystem
and that means that like literally teenagers might end up being billionaires in the next decade and
like we need to understand how younger generations are looking at this data they didn't grow up
without wi-fi they didn't grow up without Wi-Fi. They didn't grow up without smartphones. It's a very different landscape in the younger generations.
Yeah, that's true.
And I mean, at the same time, like, I don't want to compare, but like, at the same time,
there's criminals who always find great ways when it comes to technology to use them for their benefit.
Oh, yeah.
That's what keeps me awake at night.
I am very good friends with a lot of white hat hackers, you know, gray hat hackers.
Oh, I think you mentioned before.
Who defend against black hat hackers.
And I'm lucky enough to have some, you know, alphabet soup friends that do some things.
And, you know, in terms of like where our data really is
and like how vulnerable we are,
basically if you're a good person doing good things,
like they pretty much leave you alone,
except for now when your data's out for sale for anyone
who knows how you're being targeted now.
But, you know, before the executive orders,
it was basically like, do no harm, right?
Like if you're a good business doing good things, no one was gonna there wasn't enough resources to
look into you. Now in this world of AI, we're going to need AI to constantly monitor these things.
Because if it doesn't have a watermark, I don't want money going to an imposter of someone that
I have on one of my stages.
You know what I mean?
Like we really have to defend the IP now.
And I think we absolutely can do it through technology.
It's actually the human learning curve.
That's the challenge.
It's not the technology.
That's the problem.
It's adoption.
You know,
I totally agree.
It's a human.
So like I've been a consultant in in IT environments for a very long time.
I've been a change manager for two years.
So, like, when it comes to changing people to adopt a new technology, it's not that easy.
You can't.
Well, not only not that easy, you cannot do it.
If you're setting out to change behavior, you're pushing water up hill.
I have a good charisma.
But if you create, let me wear my little HR change management hat here for a second.
So the truth is that humans hate to be told that they're wrong.
They hate to be challenged on their belief system. And so essentially, you have to kind of go, okay,
well, here's, okay, well, what do you understand already? Okay, here's how we relate it to what
you understand already. Okay, do you want to make money with a click of a button? Usually,
that answer is yes. And that's where adoption starts to really happen.
So with every brand out there, they don't know how to do the part of like make help their users
make money with a click of a button. And that's part of the recipe that we unlocked at Continuum
through an extremely stringent regulatory compliance for the US and EU MECA standards. It's very difficult to deliver.
But essentially, if the brands can just get that level up,
they're going to take it.
And that's, hi, call Continuum.
We're ready for you.
Yeah.
And I mean, that's one of the reasons
why we're so excited to be a part of Continuum, right?
It's a very exciting thing um because we bring gig brings a solution that actually like nobody else on the market can
bring like to think of it like nobody else on the market can bring the solution that gig is bringing to this market.
Well, let's talk about that.
So some people say this is the unsexy stuff.
I particularly find this the most sexy stuff.
It's the most juicy stuff. It's the juiciest in the data world.
I mean, the cybersecurity and privacy protection and, like,
this concept that we're building you know through the
first cohort to like use keys to unlock certain things it's the first time that fortune 500 would
be able to say like oh you can handle you can handle my whole database and i'm i'm basically
at continuum pushing back on scope going don't give geek you don't have to give geek 100 give them like 10 and you're
going to end up with this monster freeway that you can really start to get some amazing insights
from and it will all be user driven and privacy permission and also shout out shout out to your
cyber yeah only with 10 exactly and shout out to your cyber security policy and also major major shout out stephanie so one of my heroes she is she comes across as maybe one
of the most pragmatic like financial accountant kind of energies which i love i find that very
reassuring right like i love that in data.
But in Fortune 500, everything they've been approached
with so far has been these like, love you guys,
but your DGN yahoos who are just like all over the place
and they don't understand Fortune 500.
I really feel that what Stephanie has unlocked here
is just such a clear, comprehensive path for Fortune 500 to understand
these things. And that just makes my heart so happy. Makes my data heart go pitter-patter,
Robbie. It really does. Just pitter-patter over here. Yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, every time I get
a message from Stephanie, my heart skips a beat, you know, because because like, it's always such a great interaction with her.
Like, it's really surprising how geek and the technology, and by the way, it's patented, right?
Like, it's patent technology.
Like, how this technology could benefit so many people.
So many people.
Like, it's insane like when i'm talking about uh so i'm going to talk about the crypto market um because obviously we have a token right uh it's a token so
you need to have a token in order to do your tokens your tokens doing really well for you
guys still being testnet i mean honestly like you got good data
points there and if you google geek honestly like they're very robust in their google uh search
results i was most impressed by that like geek has a presence out on seo we've been working on
it christina we've been working on it for sure for sure well i want to give some flowers because
it's not easy.
Especially as a crypto, it's very difficult to be seen as international recognition.
So well done.
Yeah, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
So you're, and I'm still, I'm trying to do my research here now, and I will do my best
to learn a little bit about what actually solutions at Geek and Continuum solve.
I just need to do my research. But your layer zero, and I'm just going off of what's on your
X page, right? It's a layer zero multi-chain platform, which that's interesting. I have to
dive into what that means. you know it's multi-chain
that you can operate solana sui i i don't know but arbitrum arbitrum thank you um and which is
interesting i i i like that idea right now but you've got a token on solana is this all part of
um backing um like your no no no we're talking on ethereum though on ethereum
got you okay you've got a a an ethereum erc20 token yeah correct correct okay for now okay okay
cool but and then so your mo is this when you say a layer zero you're you've built your own blockchain or is it not that am i missing something
it's basically like uh the the team has built their own blockchain that's correct
like in a sense that it's proof of honesty so you have proof of work right which is uh
uh like if you like for example take bitcoin if you own uh 51 of the network you own everything
yeah you you you've you've you've owned the mining pool hash rate yes you exactly yeah yes
which is like uh i saw a tweet the other day which is something which is might about to be to happen i mean i don't know like it's speculation right
it's a crypto but like uh it would be very difficult to do with it's not impossible in
a proof of work yeah but you just have it's not impossible but very very especially with
a network the size of bitcoin because it's just you would would have to out match them in that computer so but yeah go
ahead like at the end of the day it's possible right so you have a michael saylor you have
so many institutions right now as well who want to jump into bitcoin so they buy a lot of bitcoin
shares whatever you want to call it yes um and so at the of the day, like if you're a multi-trillionaire
and you want to change the game, you just buy 51% of Bitcoin.
Well, yes, you'd have to control the mining hash rate.
Yeah, right, yeah.
And then to do that, you'd have to out-compute, potentially do that.
Now, that makes it decentralized, people say.
Now, that being said, is that a mining pool the other day
mined eight blocks of Bitcoin in a row,
in a row, which just sounds impossible to do.
Impossible, yeah.
But it happened eight consecutive Bitcoin blocks in a row.
Makes you wonder, is it decentralized?
But that's the thing
as well, right?
There's so many projects
out there like we're
decentralized, 100% decentralized.
At the end of the day, when you see Solana,
it's not decentralized, right?
Because they just pop the
network and that's it. It's not
decentralized. It's controlled by the proof of stake.
It can be turned on or off.
Exactly.
Yes.
Exactly.
Or see where we have it, yes.
Yeah.
So the thing with Geek is proof of honesty.
And at the end of the day, we're 99% Byzantine fault tolerant.
If you know what that means, or if you don't,
even though what might be happening right now in Bitcoin,
if you own 51% of the network,
you can manipulate everything.
That doesn't work for Geek,
because we're 99%, right?
99% Byzantine fault tolerance so like you nobody ever
can take over the chain nobody ever whatsoever because also because it's a it's a not a smart
contract i got now i'm getting i'm getting a better understanding of your concept
um yeah and in fact that you're saying it's it's a i'm sorry a proof proof of proof of honesty
proof of yeah so new one new one i haven't heard before so yeah so it's kind of new new one in a sense like we've been online online uh kind of in uh 2019 i think it was 2019
2019 so it's it's a long time you know because like at the end of the day like uh we didn't
raise that much but then you saw project like polka dots who raised 500 million like so many projects went bust along the time because I did
they just spent budget basically on marketing millions and millions because like there was a
post lately on the eggs Twitter or whatever you want to call it about polka that they spent millions
on marketing every month.
We don't do this kind of thing
because we have the technology
and we go into the real life kind of stuff.
That's why we're so grateful
to have people like Christina from Continuum,
people like Brandon from AFIT
just for them to utilize our technology
to make their clients'
lives more easy, right?
It's that
simple, really. You don't need to
make it so complicated
at the end of the day.
We make so many people's lives
more easily just because of security.
When you think of social engineering,
when you think of social engineering when you think of another thing is like automatically logging in with your Google account it it has so many
dangers geek prevents all these kind of things you know like instead of one click to log into your 10 accounts that you have on Google
account, whatever, like geek will provide you to have a security layer on these kind of things,
right. And not only so Robbie, but Robbie, can we? Yeah, can I add a few? Sorry to interrupt.
So I want this to keep being a geek commercial and I'm,
I'm sorry, but this really is the time for it y'all. So thank you guys for hanging in. I know
we're like, we're like an hour and a half over time, but like, this is like the best geek
conversation. Stephanie isn't here, which is the best part. So Robbie, I'd love to hear from you.
I'm going to ask you a few prompts here because basically what i see geek as is the
database infrastructure layer that fortune 500 has been waiting for on the so what conversation
right like they're like we got to load in like 27 things minimum maybe 227 things you guys are
the first blockchain i've ever seen that's like,
let's treat blockchain like a database. That is such a breakthrough accomplishment.
Eight years, I've been waiting for this. Eight years. So when I met blockchain, it could only
do certain things. And then in 2020 during COVID, EOS released the NFTs that kicked off the Ethereum,
that kicked off Solana, that kicked off the meme coins, that kicked off whatever. But like NFTs only have like so many
fields in it. So here's the nerd question. Here is the nerd question for you. As if you're speaking
to an artist who is worldwide known, who has performed on Super Bowl stages, who has no idea
what it means to own their data. They have no idea what it means to be a technology company.
Geek creates the interoperability layer for Continuum to have a layer zero, no smart contracts, no smart contracts, no hacker vulnerabilities, you guys,
direct data fields, direct data fields. Okay, let me stop. No, it's just, you know, I only waited
like half over almost a decade for it. You know, I'm just a little bit of a fan. So okay, so let's
take this concept as blockchain as a database through Geek.
Then let's start to interact with the things that are permissioned or loaded in.
Let's start to talk to celebrities as if they're owners of a data company.
Let me give you another example.
I've got one more sentence for you. I have ambitions to bring the geek layer zero protocol
up to par standards with D-Pen, with T,
with secret network, with all of these other
like really advanced ZK, zero knowledge
for those of you paying attention in the audience,
ZK standards that are going to become what solidity
was for smart contracts and like metaverse development and all of these other things
most in-house fortune 500s are going to need to know what these new persona profile standards are geek will be the continuum repository for the key unlocking
authorizations you guys will be our database for that but what can you tell a potential musician
who has no idea what it means to be a technology company about what they can expect. And it will reflect everything a Fortune 500 company needs
to understand about what these new fan personas are and how they need to interact with them.
Okay. So let me talk about an example that I'm aware of. I'm very close to when it comes to
celebrities are using these kinds of solutions, right?
Because you know
a lot of celebrities and the agents.
I have
a friend of mine
his partner
is the go-to
artist for Madonna.
I think everyone knows Madonna, right?
And the problem that these people have with these people,
I mean, Madonna is like, and the artists actually,
is like there's a lot of fraud going around,
going around in the, especially in the art space,
right? Especially in the art space. So when it comes to geek, I talked to, I actually had the
opportunity to talk to Madonna with my friend's partner, because like she has an apartment very
close to my apartment here. So we got along very well after a few gin tonics.
But so we talked about Geek and she and he has a problem about people,
how do you call it, recopying their work.
So like an artist makes a work, especially for Madonna,
and then someone else sees it on the internet
and he makes the same as an NFT, kind of, right?
We call it the IP licensing problem,
which is why we load in the IP.
So if it was Madonna, great example,
she would load in her logo, the music, the merch, the collabs, whatever's authorized from her,
then we would be able to be an authorized reseller of the things that she has authorized for Continuum to distribute out to the economy but what you're talking about
really comes down to like watermark technology the authenticity and like the authenticity
and this is something that we talk about in web3 all the time like it's normal because we know that
blockchain is normal but 97 i mean maybe 99.999'm being realistic, most of the world has no idea what we're talking about.
These are all foreign concepts to legendary artists.
They don't understand.
They understand IP.
They don't understand that they can tangibly have the rights and the workflows to manage their IP.
And you were talking about Madonna.
Okay, this is a pretty juicy story here.
You were talking about Madonna.
Okay.
Yeah, so basically a friend of mine, he's an interior designer.
His partner is the personal, what do you call it, artist of Madonna.
I'm sure she has a few, right?
Like she loves his work.
And so in order for his work to be authentic, it needs to make sense.
Because like there's so many people pretending to they basically copy his work
pretending to be it for madonna right so oh wait no this is protecting the ip of your friend
authorized by madonna this isn't even protecting madonna's ip okay this is a perfect gig economy
conversation okay perfect example perfect example on. He'd be able to privately
upload his work authorized by Madonna. The user would only see that his work is authorized by
Madonna. They wouldn't even see the pictures of the work. And when it is authorized work
on his website or on how he puts out to the world, there'd be a watermark of the NFT that it was him that uploaded it
and Madonna authorized it and said, yes, that's in my home.
That is the power of data traceability.
This is about protecting your friend's authenticity.
Oh, I'm even more excited.
Yeah, this is super important.
As you said, your friends' authenticity, right?
Because, like, you want to buy something.
You want to buy an art piece.
Let's say, I don't know, a branding.
Yeah, we talk about this in NFT memorabilia.
And I have a feeling Coop's trying to come online to talk about the auctions and the NFT memorabilia.
Yeah, so sovereignty.
This is the whole topic about data sovereignty and authentication.
It would,
this is the power of data.
You guys have one little badge,
one little click from Madonna authorizes,
you know,
Robbie's friend to be like,
yes,
I really do work for Madonna.
Now,
right now there's no data structure that houses those kind of authorizations,
except for what Continuum is proposing.
That is precisely the reason we exist.
Right, right, right.
And that's super awesome.
I think we're super keen, we're super excited to be a part of all of this.
In the meantime, could Deville, you have a question as well?
You raise your hand.
Go ahead.
I wanted to chime in because it's something I've thought about for a long time.
With, like, the things you're talking about with Madonna, you have an NFC.
Coup, your connection sucks.
I love you so much.
Can you get to Wi-Fi and, like, it's so bad.
I love you so much, it's so bad. I love you so much.
It's so bad.
He said something about Madonna.
And I know he wants us to keep talking about Madonna.
So maybe, Robbie, you keep going with that topic while he gets closer to Wi-Fi.
She has great hair, though.
Coop is one of my favorite human beings on the planet.
Coop also is Coop.
And so if you know coop you know
what that means but like coop is one of my favorite favorite people and he's so
underrated and his knowledge of what's really going on in Washington DC he's in
a lot of circles he's in a lot of telegram chats my goal is actually to
give coop some of these AI agentic
ecosystems, just so I can collect the data and know what Coop
is looking at.
Because honestly, he has so many connections to so many
important people that a lot of people think he's, you know,
just Coop.
And I'm like, no, he's Coop.
And he's a music producer.
He's like, he has so so many different facets to him.
So if any of you have ever heard Coop in a space, please don't judge him just on that space.
We love him at Continuum.
We have a half a decade relationship with Coop.
Yeah, but if you know Coop, then that's why everyone's laughing right now.
But if you know Coop, then that's why everyone's laughing right now.
I hope Coop comes back to Wi-Fi really soon because I really do want to hear his question.
Is this better or no?
Oh, so much better.
So much better, yeah.
My question was, Madonna could own Madonna.Soul or Madonna.BTC, right?
Like, she has the money to buy that.
Yeah, but she doesn't know what that means
that's what we talk about offline she has no idea what the impact or the and she has all that brand
reputation to lose so like we she has to be extremely careful so i'm going to flip it back
on you coop if you're going to ask madonna question, give me a proposal and an SOW is in timeline milestones.
Well, I was just going to say she could buy that top level domain and all she needs to
do is sign another NFT of a fan, her digital signature.
And that would be just like the paper, pen and paper back in the day when you meet Mickey
Mouse and stuff like that.
I've been wanting to do something like this for a while.
Okay. Okay. Wait, wait,
wait. I hear your question, but you're not saying it. The audience doesn't hear it yet.
I need you to reformulate that in a way that you're like showing a proposal. Can you do that
real quick? Yeah. Here's how, here's how Madonna. I know exactly what he's saying there. I propose Madonna. Dirty, you don't count. The audience is trying to hear through this terrible microphone.
So, Coop, you know the standards that continue.
Can you give this in a way that is actionable to the Team Madonna folks that might be listening?
I think Madonna should partner up with someone so that she can digitally sign her merchandise after she talks to her lawyers and her marketing team.
That's what I'm saying.
Oh, you mean Continuum?
You mean the entire business plan that Continuum set up?
Everything.
There we go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
get it signed
Get it signed, Coop.
get it signed
Get it signed.
I do agree
there's a lot of
especially
hold on Robbie I'm sorry
Coop I love you so much
I know you have a bigger
question than that
I know you didn't set that up just to be a
continuing commercial
can you come back on the mic real quick and ask you a question?
Go ahead.
I'm going to start listening, man.
All right.
Maybe he really did want to put a continuing commercial in that.
And for that, I thank you, Coop.
For that, I thank you.
Let's see how it goes after the space, right?
I mean, Coop's one of our brand ambassadors.
I mean, the fact that, you know, we won't talk about what parties he gets into and what parties he gets kicked out of.
But, like, Coop is such a force to be reckoned with.
And I really highly invite everyone to follow him.
I love to meet him.
I love to meet him.
Some of his insights are pretty dang incredible.
He's got a really great network.
And also in the
same breath like shout out to player one taco like these are folks that like you look at them and
fortune 500 would be like no and i'm like no you got to understand the knowledge base behind these
folks like if they all had their own ai agentic system that's continuum i mean that's continuum. I mean, that's essentially what we're trying to build. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
True, true, true.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah, like, I mean,
then, like,
we went way,
way, way, way, way
over our time slot.
We did go over,
but I've never heard you more enthusiastic, Robbie.
We should talk more of what's up. We should talk more.
We should go over more often.
Yeah.
I think,
I think maybe every third Thursday of the month. And the next one I believe is I just added up.
I think September,
September 18th is going to be the next continuum takeover.
And I really do think it would be prudent for us to teach the audiences.
The continuum takeovers might go two hours, three hours, eight hours. We might just keep bringing
more folks in who are available because we had about three weeks to plan for this one. And you
said, who do you bring in? And I said, Brandon Cooper, obviously. And see how this one went.
and see how see how this one this is one of a hundred in our portfolio and as more big names
come on and as we can announce some of these things right i'm under nda and i can't announce
a lot of new things but like q3 and q4 is going to be so incredible and i'm just so thrilled to
be doing this with you guys and bringing it to the people. And thank you, Robbie, for anchoring the community
and being the geek of geeks. And I just love that I get to tell everyone, come in on the third
Thursday and geek out with Continuum. I know, for sure. We're so grateful and happy to have you as
well, Christina. It's been amazing. And I'm looking forward to have a space co-hosting with you
every third week of the month
and to have some people as well,
interesting people actually as well,
like Brandon also.
Because these are things like cloning yourself to be an AI.
These things, it sounds far away, but at the end, it's very close.
At the end of the day, it's very close, right?
Well, my nerd heart goes pitter-patter when we get to tie it back to capital markets.
When we get to tie it back to what does that mean to NASDAQ?
What does that mean to your 401k?
What does that mean to yourDAQ? What does that mean to your 401k? What does that mean to your side hustle? And I can't wait for, so next month in September on the 18th, Thursday, the 18th, the continuum
takeover, I'm going to be inviting Monty Greenspan from Quantum Economics. And they've created
just this entire trading algorithmic ecosystem of like what's real
in the blockchain monopoly money ecosystem.
And I think that that's a really important conversation
to understand we're still at the beginnings
of the threshold.
We're still at the beginnings of understanding.
Continuum is lucky enough to be establishing these standards
much like Moody's creates readings at the NASDAQ level.
Continuum is creating these standards here about what goes into our ecosystem.
And if you have IP, if you have a catalog, if you are a contributor to the capital markets ecosystem,
but you have no idea what blockchain or AI means to you, that's what we built Continuum for. So give me a call,
send me a DM. I'm here all the time at Continuum 3000 on most platforms and info at Continuum.market
if anyone needs to get ahold of me directly. We are accepting sponsorships. We have our Vegas
mansion, which as my CMO says, is the Narnia passport into the metaverse.
There's so much, so much that happens at our in-person events that translate into connectivity
in our metaverse.
And I cannot wait for US consumers to start experiencing this and start getting rewards
in their pocket.
They might not understand what a wallet is, but back in the day, no one understood what an email address was. I still had people that were
like, print off this meeting for me. I remember those days. I remember the transition. But the
good news is that humans in general, in mass, they go where the convenience is. And if brands keep making this authentically possible to create a one-click user experience, to start sharing agentic platforms, that's what we're here for at Continuum.
We're building the brand new human-centric economy.
And I could not be more excited for all of you to be here with us.
Oh, my God.
Christina, you're empowering me.
I feel the adrenaline
running towards me actually
right now.
No, it's a really
cool thing and I mean
it's been a really cool space
as well, even though we
went almost
over an hour.
We're at almost three hours,
you guys.
We've gone two and a half hours past.
For me, in Europe, it's a big thing.
It's pretty late here in Europe.
I don't care because it's been super awesome.
It's been a really great space with you, with Brandon.
And I'm looking forward to our next space in one month, right?
Like the third week of every month.
The third Thursday of every month, September 18th, will be our next one.
And then the October version will be right in the middle.
Honestly, the day of one of our biggest events in Santa Monica for LA Tech Week and Santa Monica 150th
anniversary. So I expect a lot of guests to come in in September and October as we get ready for
November and December. And yeah, I think it's fair to say that the continuum takeovers are,
we're going to go long on these ones we're just gonna keep we're gonna keep loading
in value and giving alpha to the community and this is really where i finally get to tell you
guys the things that are public facing most of my life is things i can't tell most people so i'm
really excited to have this channel and be partnered well we're gonna bring on the brands
and they'll talk about it and then i'm not not, you know, then it's not me.
So I'm so excited to have this channel and showcase everyone.
And this is just a reflection of what we're doing in person.
If you want to get involved, please reach out to us.
You can find our information at continuum.market on most social channels at continuum 3000.
And to get ahold of me directly it's info at
Continuum.market. Thank you guys so much. Robby I love you. Give my love to Stephanie.
I can't wait for us to discuss more economics impact at our next episode.
Yeah for sure Christina everyone in the gig team loves you as well. We love being a part of a
Continuum and bring added value to you and to your customers as well, of course, obviously.
Because we have the best technology in the market right now.
And it's not even a joke, actually.
We like nerds.
I mean, I really just made friends with a lot of nerds.
We also like regulatory compliance.
So if you're in that Venn diagram please give me a call
yeah no 100 100 100 christina 100 we love you and like uh thank thank you for everyone for
who's been joining in for the spaces thank you for everyone who's going to be joining in later on as well, because
there's a lot of people who join later. Thank you, Christina. Thank you. Oh, wait, wait, wait,
sorry. Okay, go ahead. Sorry, wait, wait, wait. No, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. I have one tiny
little thing. I didn't get to give a shout out. One of my rider dies has been here since the very
beginning of the space, MetaRides. And honestly, I have so much planned for you guys about authorized musical content and
merch that we are going to fold into that and cross over to the Continuum City.
I am so excited about what we're lining up and we can't talk about it for real for real
yet.
But like the day that you and darcy are gonna announce this about income
island like i can't wait like i already have it planned out in my head so shout out to meta rides
and and and just everyone behind that team sorry robbie back over to you you were wrapping up no
no that's perfectly great like i wanted to say mayor deus which is uh my oh my god, in Portuguese, because like I live in
Portugal, even though I'm Portuguese.
So like I try to,
like this is
awesome. Thank you so much, Christina,
as well. If you want to learn Portuguese,
don't come knocking
at my door, because I don't speak it so much anyway.
No, we're going to get an AI
system so everyone can speak Portuguese
fluently, and you and I are going to Portugal, and then we're going to get an AI-agentic system so everyone can speak Portuguese fluently.
And you and I are going to Portugal.
And then we're going to have a trip sponsored by some blockchain brand who is important.
You should come to the Web Summit with Continuum.
I could get you guys some great deals.
No, for real, we have to plan this Lisbon trip.
So, like, we were joking about it, but I'm super serious.
No, you need to.
I could get you guys some great deals for a web summit, by the way.
Let's do that.
Let's plan all the things, and then we can announce it at the September summit when Continuum takes over again.
Awesome.
And let's get a picture together as well, Christina.
I would love that.
I mean, honestly, meeting everyone in real life, because like, a lot of us just
experience things through Twitter or, you know, email introductions. And, you know, a lot of
people, I mean, for years, people just knew me as data points, right? So they'd be like,
your data points? And we get pictures together. It's just the best thing when we all meet for
real in real life. And I do understand that a little bit of my daily life is pushing water uphill and teaching humans that there are these new concepts and that there is a better way.
And that way is data and data sovereignty.
So thank you all for being a part of the journey with us.
Thank you to Geek, who is leading the way on layer zero.
Oh, my gosh.
Just love you guys so much.
And as we love
you as well, Christina, and continue on.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much,
everyone, for joining in.
It's been a bit of a longer time
than usual, but I hope you guys
enjoyed it, and I'm sure you did, because otherwise
you wouldn't have been here anymore
anyway.
But so like
reach out to us,
reach out to Christina if you have
questions, reach out to Brandon,
everyone is very
accessible, we're all a big family
basically actually
because we all want the best for everyone
and we're being a part of it to
building solutions.
So reach out to anyone.
If you have questions.
Thank you so much for joining.
And I hope to see you guys again next week.
Thanks so much Christina.
Thank you Coup de Ville.
Coup de Ville.
Because I'm kind of French.
So I say Coup de Ville.
Thank you Dirty as well.
For the questions.
It was really great to interact,
and I hope to see you guys again very soon, actually.
Thank you, guys. Keep building.
Thank you, everyone.
Have a great evening, morning, afternoon, whatever.
