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Exploring the future of NFTs: Royalites & More with @elephantNFTs🐘
Recorded: Sept. 28, 2023 Duration: 1:23:51Space Recording
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I hope everyone's doing good.
How's all the panelists doing?
How's everyone doing today?
Great.
Thanks.
Doing great here.
Everybody, welcome.
Let's have a good space.
Yeah, welcome.
Welcome, everyone.
Welcome, Untamed Elephants.
How's it going from your side, guys?
Great.
Great.
Beautiful weather here today.
Hopefully, it's the same over there.
Excited to be invited.
And thanks to Foxen for giving the invitation.
And shout out to Tom and Steve in the audience, who are two of our holders.
Yeah, pleasure for you to come and join us.
This is our third space of this.
In the last three weeks, we do a space weekly here at Energy.
And we try to focus on NFT royalty protection.
We try to focus on user protection.
We try to focus on bringing more and empowering users in the whole crypto and blockchain space.
So we're glad all you guys can join us.
We're going to kind of, you know, start with first off, just speaking on the current state of the whole market.
We saw yesterday with Gary Gensler and the whole SEC getting kind of grilled at the Congress.
And that was pretty interesting to see how all that's kind of taking place with the potential of the SEC getting grilled.
And it's crazy to see all that taking place.
I was interested to hear your guys' take on that and other potential, you know, things that are going on in the current marketplace.
Yeah, I'll just chime in here.
Well, first of all, let's retweet the space out, guys.
Let's see if we can get some more people here.
I know we have a bigger audience than that.
So if you guys would throw a retweet on the space.
So I just did that.
Let's make sure to do it with the energy account.
But, yeah, as we get into things here,
as someone who has fought a lot of crime in blockchain
and someone who has had the SEC get involved in ICOs that I invested in,
there is – I didn't get anything back, you know?
Even if they had some enforcement action against a scam ICO,
you know, they slap them on the wrist with a penalty
and basically just take a chunk of what they raised and then call it a day.
I mean, there's nothing that I got back as an investor and I've never, you know.
So – and nothing against the SEC.
Their hands are just – their hands are tied when it comes to blockchain.
You know, one ICO I invested in in 2017, it's in China.
What is the SEC going to do for me there?
And I put a lot of money in it.
So I think it's good that the SEC is coming under pressure
because they really can't do a lot when it comes to security.
They can't do anything about all the stuff that's occurring.
And really the solution for that is –
has to be on the blockchain protocol level.
That's the direction that we've gone and where we've innovated.
And I'm proud to do that.
And I did it because I have a lot of friends and family in the space.
And, you know, after seeing people get scammed
and having their stuff stolen, you know, a number of times,
it's like, you know what, this is not how the future is going to look.
And that's kind of the nature of the path we took
and building the solutions we did.
And I'm really proud of that.
We, you know, we built the safest blockchain in the space.
We haven't had any theft under blockchain for three years.
And, you know, royalty theft is another kind of theft.
And sadly, that's kind of prevalent right now in the NFT space.
And, you know, NFT collections need royalties to survive and to thrive.
And it's kind of been stolen away from projects.
And so that's the fight that we're fighting to restore royalties,
to create an environment where users can come in
and not have to worry about knowing about the 150 ways you can get scammed,
you know, or have your NFT stolen.
And just provide a safe experience for people to be in blockchain, essentially.
Yeah, I think that's truly an important point there.
The SEC is supposed to protect investors.
And at the end of the day, they're really not doing much of that.
And it's quite an interesting time to see what actually takes place
with the pressure being put on their shoulders.
And that kind of brings up the idea maybe more things will be passed
as far as crypto things potentially.
You know, maybe beginning of 2024 we could see or end of 2023
we could see a spot Bitcoin ETF pass.
And that could definitely bring a good supercharge to the whole space
and bring some bullish momentum that we truly would love to have
as all of us here in the crypto and NFT space would love that little boost.
But yeah, go ahead, man.
So on the SEC, their issues kind of predate Web3.
For example, in the Web2 world, for a long time, for many years,
if you wanted to invest in a tech startup, you had to be an accredited investor,
which means you have to be basically a millionaire
or have gone through a lot of financial certifications.
But a lot of our economy's growth was from tech startups,
you know, going from nothing to IPO.
So the SEC blocked so many people from the opportunity to invest a little bit of money
into Uber or whatever and make a lot.
And their reasoning for this is, oh, we're protecting consumers.
But at the end of the day, it's also just making the rich richer
because a lot of the wealth accrued was from, you know, Google and Uber and Amazon
and so many others.
It took a long, long, long, long time for them to kind of create some rough framework
where, okay, through equity crowdfunding portals,
now you can do it for X amount of dollars and this and that.
But it's kind of the same thing with crypto where they say they're protecting people,
but really they're just very slow, slow to adapt.
And so if we have the same timeline in crypto, it'll take forever.
But that's just a quick parallel I thought of related to SEC and crypto
and SEC and the Web2 world.
I was going to say, very well said.
Sorry to interrupt you there.
If I have bad reception, I apologize.
I'm out of my barn right now and I don't have the best reception.
But, no, Untamed hit it right in the head.
I think SEC is a form of power to understand blockchain security
and they're doing everything they can to keep it.
And I'm actually just going to throw it out.
Hey, Foxen, I think you're rugging.
Is he rugging for you guys too?
Yeah.
You're hitting it up to the choppy there.
Yeah, he's coming in and out.
He said he's at his barn though, so maybe he'll find a good spot.
Yeah, he'll probably get back in range.
Yeah, that's a valid point.
I agree with that.
And it's kind of unfortunate that that's the –
and you really are kind of seeing that when Gary Gensler was asked about Bitcoin
and then whatnot, they really don't want to give regulatory clarity.
And the reason is because they just want to have power over it.
But it's not serving the investors.
It's not serving U.S. investors at all.
And really, if they really cared about investors,
they'd probably be really interested in the sort of technology we built.
We actually built the technology to protect investors.
But I think it's more of just kind of about power and making money
and maybe also about the banks protecting their own interests.
And I don't think that's a – yeah, so I don't think it's really about the investor protection.
But let's talk about more positive things.
Yeah, I was about to move it on to Coinbase.
Moved on and passed a perpetual futures product for the users,
but no one in the U.S. can use it.
But still, they're – they're – they basically – it's regulated by the Bermuda Monetary Authority.
And that's a pretty big step for Coinbase.
They've been doing a lot of big things in the space with their L1 that they, you know,
created a base and other things.
And so good for them on trying to – really trying to focus on regulate – bringing crypto to Americans
and to – as well, bringing crypto and innovating with their new products.
So, you know, kudos to them.
As you see in our tweet, and I'll share it on the top, I'll pin it to the top, we stand with them.
We believe what they're doing is important.
And in the long term will be ideal for any time we try to pass something – any time, you know, we as Americans
and as this, you know, to get on to a better sentiment with the SEC,
we feel that we – that they're doing the right things to be on board with that.
And we're excited that they're taking the right initiatives.
You know, it's a funny thing that I want to point it out.
Have you guys ever watched the X-Men movies?
And I think Magneto is in there and he is screaming, like, you know, in front of, like, all the mutants.
It's like the Neanderthal is afraid and everybody is, like, cheering with him.
So, what crypto and blockchain has done is actually removed all the centralized authorities.
And it is – it has tipped to a point where it's, like, no point of return for them.
Like, they can't do anything.
Like, it's penetrated deep enough.
So, like, just here with our guest here at Untamed Elephant, like, you know,
they have made a community by harnessing the power of blockchain and Web3.
And they might not even need any central authorities to, you know, to carry out their operations.
So, all of these things happening is making them very uncomfortable.
They've been placed at a very uncomfortable spot.
Yeah.
Go ahead, just start.
I just wanted to mention to you guys, since you brought up the Coinbase thing,
if you are outside of the United States, you know, you need to record everything that you do on Coinbase Perpetuals.
Because Coinbase reports everything to the IRS and to any kind of taxing through countries and, you know, things of that nature.
So, just make sure if you are going to be using the Perpetuals that are being made available through Coinbase,
that you keep a ledger of your own actions.
That way, you can report it to the proper tax people at the end of the year.
And the reason I bring this up is because I utilize some exchanges in ways that I'm not going to mention.
But I do it in using devices that are designed to protect myself and not let my information get out.
But that also, by not letting your information get out, it also doesn't disclose where you're actually located, right?
So, you can put the rest together and research what that might potentially be.
But in the same sense, that is something that I do to protect myself.
And in that same ideology, you definitely want to report any kind of earnings, especially using this Coinbase one.
Because everything that you do on there is tracked coming in, going out.
So, just keep that in mind if you are going to dabble in what they're offering.
Because there are other ones that are slowly being eliminated that don't KYC.
And that's know your customer.
And basically, what that is, is they don't know any of your information.
Therefore, they're not taking it nor reporting it to anybody.
So, you're kind of doing stuff in the dark or under the table.
So, if you were to be using an exchange like that, you know, it's in the dark to everybody, right?
So, this is not that situation.
So, definitely be mindful and careful.
And I think I was very grateful to be in a space with Tommy earlier, like yesterday with FITI.
And what he suggested is that keep a track, a record, a paper record of all on-ramp and off-ramp transactions.
And some of the people also advocated, if you are in the U.S.
And if you are part of like, you know, you're like very careful about the IRS,
then you should also be speaking with specifically to tax attorneys and not like CPAs.
That's what was their suggestion.
But these are all like, yeah, but this is like some suggestions like, you know,
from like real higher-up people like FITI, who's been really active in the space for a long time.
And, you know, I mean, right from here, like we have to work on very diplomatically to still keep the space alive
and like, you know, to work on things.
Because we have some really great communities that are doing some really great job
and actually uplifting like the whole, you know, the whole worldwide infrastructure.
And this comes to Untamed Elephants too, like they're doing a great, you know, service
and building up a good organic NFT community and reaching their goal there.
And we want this innovation to even prosper.
And so at this point of time, like, you know, we might be very careful about like, you know,
all of our interaction and just sort of was right there.
So I'm really happy to welcome Tom, Steve, Feezy, Orange, Gibson, Theo, Cured, Steve, Hamdi.
Welcome, man.
Tamast and Locale.
Welcome.
If you guys want to speak, just let us know.
And I'll leave the floor open to Untamed Elephants.
And, you know, you guys can share us your interesting journey
and your take on royalties too, because the way I see royalties is a very potent avenue
to build a community and then from there become independent.
But that journey from foundation to becoming independent requires royalties.
It's very important.
That's how I view it.
So I'll leave the floor open to you guys.
Yeah, before we move over to Untamed Elephants, we'll get the whole full scoop of what you guys are building
and everything that's going on over there.
I kind of want to – if you guys want to point your attention to the pinned tweet to the top,
that kind of gives you a reference of, you know, everything we're about at Energy.
I know Mark pointed out to a couple new faces that we probably got from Untamed Elephants
and from other people around the crypto space that wanted to come in and join
and might not know much about us.
You should read that tweet up to the top.
And we also have the founder co-hosting, Tommy.
And I kind of wanted to, you know, hand it over to you, Tommy,
and speak a little bit about, you know, Energy and then as well how exactly we at Energy can help protect NFT royalties
and what we – like the nuance and the step-by-step we can do to protect NFT creators
and keep royalties on the L1 chain that we have.
Yeah, for sure.
Well, I think the most important thing for anyone doing anything is generally to come from a place of good ethics
and be conscious of, you know, how you're affecting other people, animals, and the world.
I actually love elephants.
I spend like a year in Bali and have like a bunch of Ganesha tank tops.
So, I love that elephants are probably – I think they're like one of the smartest, if not the smartest animals out there.
But, yeah, so, I mean, it's just about ethics, you know, ethics and doing things right.
And sadly, the blockchain space really is deficient in that quality,
and I think it's probably a problem in our cultures that we really don't emphasize that in school and stuff like that.
So, people don't really – they're worried about learning European history,
but they don't really worry about learning about things like karma and treating each other well and that sort of stuff.
So, I mean, if you come from that line of thinking, you'll understand how we've done things energy.
That's kind of been the spirit of energy from day one.
I didn't even do an ICO or pre-mine.
I had the foresight back in 2017 to know the SEC is eventually going to be a pain in the butt
about people who did ICOs and stuff like they're doing today.
So, you just got to do things with farsightedness and do things ethically.
And, you know, I'm really shocked that I'm the only blockchain founder in the world
that has built a blockchain that shuts down things like crime.
And we have, like, one piece of – we have an image out there that shows, like,
a handful of all the sorts of crime we stop, you know, including SIM swaps, smart contract hacks,
royalty theft, of course, just, you know, metamask, you know, scams, airdrop scams, you name it, you know.
And so that's really what it's about.
And as far as how we enforce royalties, the NFTs would have to be bridged to our blockchain.
But, you know, we're having an empty marketplace come out soon that we've been building the past two years.
On our marketplace, royalties will be enforced.
And I stand by that as well, too.
You know, artists and projects and creators, everyone needs royalties to thrive.
Most certainly to thrive.
But even today, to survive.
So, that's kind of a long and short of it.
You know, we have a lot of content out there that kind of goes over how we do it and stuff like that.
I don't want to take up too much of the floor today.
I'd love to hear more about the project here.
But that's kind of a high-level thing.
If you guys have any questions, feel free to ask me about it.
But, yeah, I want to learn some more about Untamed Elephants.
As Mark was saying, like, how you guys, like your origin story and, you know, tell us about, tell us about you guys.
Thanks.
It's been really interesting learning about energy and what you're doing as well.
Thanks for all the kind words.
So, Untamed, we're in the history books as the first charity-driven NFT project on both Ethereum, launched in 2021.
And on an Ordinals, we launched our Ordinals collection sub-200K.
Actually, some of them were sub-20K, so we were super, super early on Ordinals, too.
And our mission, of course, is to save African and Asian elephants.
And beyond that mission, it's really how can we innovate in the nonprofit world by using Web3.
So, we've done so many interesting kind of envelope-pushing things.
Like, we, us and our holders went to Sri Lanka for two weeks alongside one of our nonprofit partners.
And we all volunteered and went all over the country and got behind-the-scenes access to help elephants.
That was with a nonprofit called Saving Ganesh, which focuses on Asia.
So, then we recently partnered with Save the Elephants and did a big activation with them.
And for the first time ever, they let an outside organization name some of the elephants they monitor in the wild.
So, our community voted and nominated four names for four wild matriarch elephants.
So, that was another cool thing that we did.
Then, we were inspired by the CC Zero movement and Web3 Fine Art.
And we were like, how can we help nonprofits with that?
So, we made a collection called Conservation Cards, which are fine art editions with 50% going to charity.
And we partnered with a lot of great artists.
Right now, we have a mint open with the artist behind Bored Apes.
So, his piece is really beautiful on elephant, showing kind of an elephant graveyard.
It's completely different than its normal style, but it's really nice.
So, we partnered with Reddit, and we had an elephant avatar in their latest Reddit avatar drop.
So, that was a way to kind of get some revenue without having to rely on royalties.
So, we're always innovating.
We're good friends with Chainlink, the crypto project.
I used to work for them a long time ago.
So, we have a strong connection with them.
And we're always brainstorming together.
How can we use their technology with NFTs?
They tried to get our logo in their smart conference, smart con, a conference, which is going on very soon.
I submitted it a little late past the deadline, but hopefully it would be great to see elephants there, too.
So, yeah, we're innovating around Web3 and elephant conservation through as many different means as we can.
We used to donate a third of our royalties to Elephant Charity directly, but our biggest holder put a DAO proposal in.
He said, let's increase our royalty rate and donate half.
So, now we donate 50% of royalties.
And, you know, it's not much.
We're not a mega project.
But the work we do is in places like Sri Lanka or Kenya, where it doesn't take that much money to have a big impact.
And so, even $100, even, you know, $500 can make a big difference.
We recently, another cool thing we did recently was we worked with another organization in Thailand.
And they found an abused elephant that was doing manual labor every day.
It was chained to a garbage dump, and it was lifting logs every day.
And they actually, using some of our funds as well, they bought the freedom for that elephant.
And they relocated him to a sanctuary.
So, we see, like, the before and after videos, where now he's happy in a big field.
And before, he wasn't chained in a garbage dump.
And that didn't cost that much money.
So, yeah, those are a few ways that we're innovating.
We're always trying to push the envelope for web through nonprofit innovation.
But we're also trying to make our holders happy, like the conservation cards I talked about.
A lot of holders get those airdropped for free or at a discount.
And you can imagine some of the artists are pretty big names.
So, that could, you know, be a good investment as well, down the line, art investment.
And we've been around so long now that, you know, I think people are pretty confident that we're not going to go anywhere.
So, yeah, that's who we are.
So, can you trace your journey in the first year and kind of share your perspective on how, what role did royalty play?
I mean, NFT royalties played in those first years and how it was crucial and whether it was, if you could.
Yeah, royalties are a great, so NFT projects always make more money from new mints than they do royalties in general.
But new mints also dilute the holdership.
So, you have to be careful.
You don't want to just constantly do new mints.
Royalties, as I said, we leverage them in two ways.
One is, we donate 50% to charity.
And it started with one-third to charity.
And that helps keep us in the conversation with the non-profits.
Because if they're seeing, like, every month us donating, that's pretty compelling versus just, okay, one time and a year passes and another time, maybe.
So, that helps incentivize our partners to want to do more with us if they're getting kind of a constant flow of donations.
And knowing that, oh, if they help us grow that, then they get even more money.
So, that's one of the reasons why they work so closely with us because they're invested in our success.
And that's mainly done through royalties.
And on the other side, with the non-charity part of the royalties, we often just use it to give back to our holders.
So, every week, we'll buy an interesting NFT from a promising project or a piece of art and we'll just raffle it away to the people who are staking our NFTs.
So, we've done that for two years now.
So, those are some ways that royalties have helped.
They've helped build a stronger relationship with outside partners and they've helped raise money for charity and they've helped give our holders some, you know, free NFTs from other projects that we scout out and buy.
I have a question on that myself, too, because, you know, royalties have been pretty much taken away.
So, how is that affecting you guys, you know, both operationally and for, you know, what you guys are donating as well?
Yeah, so, it's definitely forced us to be more creative.
For example, conservation cards has helped because every card that we make is a new mint.
So, that's kind of circumvents the need for royalties.
The Reddit partnership kind of circumvented royalties as well because, and that was cool because it didn't dilute ownership because the people who buy Reddit avatars often don't even know they're NFTs.
So, it's, yeah, our donation is smaller from it, certainly.
But, yeah, we've, we've been kind of working around it.
If you don't mind me asking, Untamed, how long have you guys been out?
When did you guys mint out or when did you guys, you know, completely sell out and everything and kind of a background there?
Yeah, July 2021, so just a few months after.
So, we were in that early class, like a few months after Bored Apes and a few months after, yeah, projects like that.
Yeah, you came in at a great time then.
So, you, you, you felt the full rate of royalties then?
Yeah, we donated $50,000 from the mint right away.
And the amazing thing, though, is that we've donated an additional $30,000 post mint, which is pretty crazy.
Like, when you look at our floor price and volume and everything, like $30,000 is more than, if you add up all our royalties and mint funds, we've donated more than all of it combined since launch.
And part of that is through incentivizing holders to doing cool things like the Sri Lanka volunteer mission and other things.
Great tools there.
And we are in presence of a very strong community.
And we are very, you know, honored to host them.
Welcome, Colonel A. Daugherty, WhiskeyF, and Shell for a space.
And thank you for coming in, guys.
One of the questions that I wanted to ask you is, with your community, what kind of tools you guys are actually using to build your communities these days?
Yeah, so, we've done...
We have Discord, of course, but it's really quiet.
Like, all disciplines are pretty quiet these days.
We have what we call Phant50, P-H-A-N-T, as now Phant.
And that's a group of community members who are in a...
...on Twitter chat.
So, that's probably where the most action comes, because, you know, they're the 50, you know, hardest working, you know, most upstanding, most hardcore, biggest holders.
And so, a lot of the ideas for the project come from that group.
We're pretty decentralized in terms of letting anyone propose anything.
For example, we only created that group because one of our members, local, told me about it, told me about the idea in a meetup.
And I told you about how our royalties changed, because another member said, hey, let's donate half instead of a third.
So, that's a big thing.
In real life, activations help community as well.
Like, for NFT NYC, I've been a speaker the last three years, and we try to hold an event or at least meet people in person there, too.
So, those are three methods of building community.
Nice. That's awesome.
Guys, if you just want to kind of reset everything, if you guys have any questions for Untamed Elephants, you can come up and speak.
If you, you know, don't want to come up and speak, you can ask the questions in the comment section below.
Feel free.
I see there's a ton of elephants in this room, a decent amount of Untamed Elephants.
So, make sure you tag your friends that come join, hear the speakers, hear Untamed Elephants founder come speak, and then as well, Energy founder Tommy come speak as well, and speak on NFTs, protecting NFT royalties, and keeping this space as safe as we possibly can.
I was curious when I was reading your bio on Untamed Elephants, and as well, when you said you have Bitcoin inscriptions or ordinal inscriptions under 200k, right now, I think there's about 34 million inscriptions on ordinals.
So, you're super, you have an eye for being early to things.
What, like, how did you get to that point where you can just see things before the pump comes?
Yeah, I think the two things is, one, I'm a pretty active investor as well.
So, when I heard from the investing world, oh, a lot of people are investing in ordinals pretty early, then I just flip to the other side of the builder and say, well, let's build and be very fast to this.
So, you know, our team and community is very tight-knit, so when we have the idea, we all kind of work together very quickly to get the art done and to figure out how to inscribe.
So, and also our community is always, like, pointing stuff at all of us, like, oh, whether it's, oh, you should look into this because this thing is going to do an airdrop, or look what this project did that's really cool.
So, it's a good, like, communication channel where we're all sharing information, plus we're all pretty active investors as well.
So, when you're always looking at what's going on in the investment world in the space, then that gives you some good ideas.
For example, we were, when Reddit launched their avatar, their new generation of avatar project, of avatars, it was us and CoolCats were the only two NFT collections that actually saw that early and took advantage of it.
And, and so that's another example of kind of being immersed in the space, but always keeping in the back of your head, oh, well, how can, how can we take advantage of that as well?
So, so I think a lot of projects may be, they're too focused inward, and they're missing a lot of the opportunities by not paying attention to what's going on, and what's trending in other, in other places.
Or, we, we have all those capabilities to do things pretty quickly, so, we can jump on stuff like that.
Can you share in brief, like, how was your journey reaching out to Reddit?
And, you know, because what I see is, you know, we want NFT space to be successful, and, and we want it to be exponentially utilized by the global audience.
And so, sharing some of these, you know, experiences will foster the space, and, you know, a lot of budding NFT communities can come in and start using those strategies and, you know, get on the way.
And it all works in our favor, because, you know, the more adoption comes, the more...
Hey, just checking if you guys can still hear me on...
Yeah, yeah, I think you're kind of rugging here and there on Tamed Elephant.
Oh, okay.
Fine.
But something else I'll say on the topic of royalties is that for a long time, if an artist, let's say they, they made a hundred pieces early in their career, and they sold them for like 10 bucks each.
And then 20 years later, they became a really famous artist, and those hundred pieces early on were suddenly worth like $50 million.
Well, they're not profiting at all from that.
So, royalty has really evolved to solve that problem so that artists could benefit from their earlier successes.
Or let's say even an artist retires, maybe they're 80 some years old, and they have no money, and maybe they're in the hospital, but their early work suddenly becomes worth a lot, but they don't have any of it.
So, if royalties existed for that artist in the traditional world, they could suddenly make what they're worth.
So, I think that what you're doing with trying to preserve royalties is very honorable in that sense.
The only negative I've really heard about royalties is that, say you invest in a project that's a rug pull.
Well, if you're trying to sell it to exit out, you don't want to be giving the rug puller a percentage of money.
Or, in some cases, if you invest in a project and you have catastrophic losses, like 95% for whatever reason, then it seems like a tax almost to then have to exit out.
So, from a project basis, I'd love to see the idea of dynamic royalties.
I don't think anyone has done this before, where if you're selling for a significant loss, maybe you can skip the royalties.
But if you're selling for a profit or break-even, then maybe it retains.
So, it's just an idea I always thought was interesting, but I've never seen anyone do.
I think the challenge there is hard to...
You could.
You could somehow set something up, but if it's a loss, you could.
I think your point earlier on is very valid.
You know, royalties, you know, I got an NFTs in 2021, and I have seen projects rug pull plenty, and I've invested in those projects.
And it's painful.
I invested a lot of money in some projects that rug pulled.
And typically, what happens is these kind of no-name people come out, and they're lucky they're at the right time, right place, that they were able to raise millions of dollars, kind of similar to the ICO space in 2017.
You know?
The money was flowing, right?
And they were there at the right time, and they got all the money.
This is something I actually made a point on another Twitter spaces.
Imagine you have a company that's raising money, right?
Like in traditional fundraising.
And they raised $2 million to build this company.
And then they get the $2 million, and they're like, all right, cool.
I got the $2 million.
Peace out, guys.
That would be called fraud, you know?
But for some reason in crypto, we don't have those foundations yet.
So that's what happened.
And that's where a lot of liquidity went.
And that's part of the reason why store prices are so down right now.
Because there was a lot of liquidity extracting from these – I'm going to call them scammers, because that's what they are.
You know?
And I'm one of the victims of those people, along with a lot of others.
So I think the point is there's always going to be bad actors, but we have to, like, make the environment a way that supports the good people.
Because the projects that are sticking around today that didn't rug pull, I mean, again, either the founders disappeared with the money, or they just straight abandoned the project.
I invested in Winter Bears because that was, like, a popular project back then that put a ton of money into it.
But the founder of that just – he's gone.
He's MIA.
Actually, I was trying to get a hold of him, you know?
Anyway, but the point I want to make out of all of it is we have to protect the people who are doing right things.
And I know because I'm in touch with a lot of projects.
I feel their pain.
You know, we went from projects getting a couple thousand dollars a month, which is enough to function on.
You know, you can hire people from overseas and that sort of stuff for a couple hundred bucks a month.
You can get a, you know, community manager and this and that.
So you could survive off a couple thousand dollars a month.
But that went – it went from a couple thousand dollars a month to a couple hundred dollars a month total, which is hardly enough to pay for things like servers and just basic costs, you know?
So that to me is like, you know, it's – again, it's like royalty theft.
And the problem is when you give the consumer the choice of, hey, you can pay no royalties at all.
I mean, just people are just going to run to it.
They're not thinking about the ethics of it.
It's almost like the rules you make in society, right?
Okay, let's use San Francisco as an example.
For those of us who are in the States here, crime in San Francisco is going out the wazoo.
There's these poor tourists who are coming in from Europe and they rent a car and they go by the beach for five minutes and the car gets broken into and they get their suitcase and all their stuff stolen.
It's like tragic for them.
It leaves a terrible case of what the U.S. looks like to them.
Why is this happening in San Francisco and not happening in other places?
I'm in Phoenix, Arizona.
It doesn't happen here because it's all about law enforcement.
You have to have the right sort of ethical standards and then you have to enforce them because if you don't enforce things like royalties, you're going to get what we see now, which is people just not paying royalties.
They find out they don't have to pay them, they're not going to pay them.
And it's really tragic for the projects that are around today and working to do well.
Well, I'm assuming you guys are either living off your initial mint revenue or whatever new mints you're doing.
As you said, that can dilute a collection.
So not always the best route, but you got to do what you got to do, you know, or something to survive.
But a lot of projects have not been able to really survive and certainly not thrive in this environment.
And I think that's got to change.
If we want to see NFTs do well in the future, we have to honor the royalties.
And we should protect the users, too, from things like theft.
Oh, by the way, I picked up my first elephant and put an offer in for a few more.
So glad to meet you guys.
You're welcome.
Yeah, I agree 100%.
A lot of projects, when they were doing their projections on, you know, burn rate and everything early on, didn't assume that, you know, royalties would just go to zero very quickly.
It happened almost overnight.
And it happened kind of needlessly, too.
So, I mean, you know, we had one exchange lowers and then the other exchanges panic about market share and then they lower and then it was just a race to zero very quickly.
So it did catch a lot of projects off guard and a lot of projects are scrambling to figure out alternate revenue sources.
So, yeah, it was a tough time.
Yeah, and I was going to say, too, sorry about the drop-off there.
I've got better reception now, but I was able to hear everything that was being said.
Even going further and dictating to projects how it is that they meant and don't meant and what they can and can't do with their NFT tokens.
And to Untamed Elephant's point, as far as royalties for rug projects, I'm seeing a lot of rug projects come back to life through other ownership.
But Pudgy Penguins is a perfect example of this.
When I bought Pudgy Penguins, it's a rug project and all basically by its definition.
But, I mean, look what they've done with it now.
So I wouldn't discount, obviously, rug projects now.
But it's kind of the self-policing aspect of it.
You know, these communities and NFTs, that's really where it's at.
Sharing the information like, hey, we had a bad actor, scam, dropped off the planet.
But, hey, you know, we're able to continue with this project and moving forward into the direction that we felt.
It really is important for these projects and organizations to move forward in this space.
And, you know, we hear this, decentralized equals the Wild West, which, you know, I just caution against that in that verbiage.
I've heard it so many times in different spaces.
Decentralization is not the Wild West at all.
It shouldn't be, but sometimes we treat it that way in the sense of, well, if it's decentralized, that means hands-off and it's free-for-all.
But if you have on-chain governance and you have a lot of these defense mechanisms in place to protect users, we'll see a lot more adoption into the space.
Right now we're all, I call it, we're all fishing in the same pond.
Right now we need to start fishing into other ponds and into the ocean of the 97% of the people that are not in the space right now.
And I think energy is really leading the way.
And I love the story of untamed elephants.
And, yeah, I feel like I'm just rambling on, but I just wanted to pop up.
We welcome our new joiners, CDN and Treble, to our spaces.
So welcome, you guys.
We are honored for you guys to join us, our spaces.
And it's a very interesting conversation.
If you're a future NFT community builder or if you have a project in mind, you know, these are some very powerful thoughts going on that you can always use along and, you know, forge new partnerships.
And always welcome to come and build on energy.
Your royalties are protected.
Your assets are protected.
No scammer can run away from energy's grasp through its decentralized governance.
It's three-layer security protects user assets 24-7.
In case your asset gets stolen, you can always go to the community with a governance proposal, get your assets back on-chain, and without having to reverse the transactions, it happens, you know, on-chain.
And the live example of it was the recent CoinEx hack, $27 million literally wiped out overnight.
And, you know, only energy users, they didn't even care because they knew their assets were safe.
And the way it happened was the exchange wallet was frozen through a governance proposal.
All the community voted for it, and then, you know, it was frozen.
That was the first step.
And then the way it happens is anybody from the community can come and place a governance proposal.
He has to interact with the smart contract, and the smart contract finally executes if the vote goes through and freezes the wallet.
So basically, there's no central authority involved in any of this process.
The community is the final one to vote yes or no and finally execute and freeze the wallet.
And then, you know, with the second governance proposal, the compromise assets on the compromise wallet were retrieved back to another wallet on-chain.
So no other chain, even if they do have decentralized governance, has still laid the ability to recover on-chain assets without having to roll their blockchain back.
We at Energy don't have to do that.
It's the technologies built in in a decentralized manner.
It's very crucial because if you have your assets on Energy, then, you know, you're constantly notified by a smart contract.
Sends a ping to your email in case your assets move anytime, whether it be from you or any suspicious moment.
So you are notified at the moment of theft.
And then, from there on, you have enough time to go across the community and secure your assets.
So we welcome everybody to the community.
Come build on Energy.
Have your collections.
You not only get royalties, you enjoy the GMI platform perks, which is, you know, in the tokenized version.
You get another aspect of, you know, revenue sharing, which is in the, you know, the GMI token itself.
And then, you know, many other perks of moving your collections over to Energy.
Yep.
Yeah, and I want to add to that too, Mark.
That was really well said.
Somebody that I literally went out of town and I had a whole crap ton of NRG sitting on CoinX.
And boy, was I thankful that these mechanisms were in place and the governance was in place.
So I literally didn't have to worry about my funds being liquidated by North Korea.
So kudos to NRG.
And it all comes to, you know, founders.
When I'm listening to Untamed Founder and the community, they share the common vision of, like, you know, how Energy, its founder, Tommy, shares with making the world reaching to a higher level of consciousness.
Like, imagine, like, that elephant tied to a dumpster and, you know, how much pain he would have been gone through.
And nobody would care in this world.
So, you know, it's almost like, you know, God places or whoever higher authority places some people in the community, you know, to take care of these stuff, which is detrimental to our society.
And we're thankful for people like Untamed Elephant Community and Tommy for, like, you know, sharing his vision of building energy.
I would say that energy is actually built at a time where people, the market does not exist, you know.
And so now, within three years, you've seen, like, theft industry has become, like, a billion-dollar industry.
And it really doesn't impact you until you start losing your funds, which is a reality.
So, in my entire crypto life, I've never lost a single asset.
The reason being, like, majority of my assets are being held on energy chain.
So, I'm not, like, vocally, like, marketing out there.
But it's just the reality of it that I've faced and that has actually made me, you know, to spread the message out there and spread everything what Tommy and the energy team has built over the years.
It's a very powerful thing.
So, yeah.
Yeah, I'll just jump in here.
If you guys don't know how it works, you know, check out our website.
We share it there.
But, yeah, it's innovative.
Our security that we built is really innovative.
And I think it's the way of the future.
And the proof's in the pudding, again, we have wiped out a lot of, again, I don't know if a single successful theft on our blockchain in the past three years.
And that's how I got into this, by the way.
You know, we had probably almost a dozen users scammed back in 2018, whether it was a fake support staff or, you know, some other sort of trick.
Like, you know, some, yeah, whatever, there's numerous, obviously, there's way more tricks now than ever, too.
And they would trick our community members.
One guy's losing $10,000 a year.
Another guy's losing his life savings.
And I think the appropriate role of a leader is to feel the pain of your people and understand them.
And that's what I did.
And I said, this cannot be the future of blockchain.
And that's what I built.
Started building back in 2018, released in 2019.
That was our first generation of governance.
And then we rebuilt the whole blockchain on EVM, on Ethereum.
And so we have all the Ethereum capabilities, but without all the downsides, like crime, obviously.
Low fees, everyone can do low fees, that's easy.
But it's really innovative stuff, you guys.
If you guys want to learn how energy's defense works, go to our website, www.energy.world,
and go to learn, and then click on energy defense, and it'll break down how our defense infrastructure works.
It's defense in depth, which is a term from the cybersecurity world, again, which means layers of security,
which is necessary if you want to have a comprehensive security system.
And, yeah, and again, not only for theft, and I'm sure a lot of NFT projects have had, you know,
NFTs stolen from their users, and it sucks hearing that.
But you don't have to take the stance of, oh, there's nothing you can do.
There is something you can do.
And that's the stance that I took.
Like, no, I'm not going to accept that, you know?
And that's the attitude you have to take sometimes when you want to solve things,
especially if you're coming from a pure place, you know?
After my people are protected in this day and age of abundant technology and capabilities,
don't tell me you can't design a system that protects users.
Don't tell me that.
That's a bunch of bogus.
But funny enough, or sadly, or whatever, I'm the only founder in this space that's done that.
I'm mind blown by it.
Every time I say it, I'm mind blown.
How am I the only blockchain founder in this space that's built a blockchain that protects users from theft
and, you know, protects royalties and all this stuff?
I don't know.
If I hadn't built energy by now, I'd be, like, kicking myself.
I'd be like, damn, I need to build this.
I'm really shocked that no one else has built this.
But here we are.
So, yeah.
That's what we've done on our end.
I will say, Untamed Elephants, you guys, lots of love for you guys.
I love seeing you guys stand up for, you know, charity and doing good things.
I'm being that myself.
I've done plenty of charity myself just directly.
I don't talk about a lot of the stuff I do.
But we have done some things through Energy Impact as well.
I personally love orphanages because I feel like, you know, kids are the future.
So, and, you know, you can really, education is a big part of that.
Teaching people the right concepts.
Again, things like consciousness, karma, meditation, yoga.
They don't teach any of this in school, which is really kind of lame in my opinion.
And that's what we really need to teach.
But, of course, education is designed to turn people into good order-taking machines, right?
Not necessarily designing people to be good, you know, people in the world.
That's really what we should be teaching people how to do.
But, anyway.
I want to follow all the Untamed Elephants people.
What are your guys' personal accounts for you guys to follow here on X?
Who should I be following?
Okay.
Hey.
So, the space has rugged me.
So, I'm sorry I was gone for a lot of it.
Or if we were mentioned, I couldn't get it.
I noticed you dropped out.
You were just gone for a little while.
A big deal.
Yeah.
But, yeah.
You can follow us at ElephantNFTs.
My personal account is Adam AGB.
But, in the audience, we have a ton.
Local, Orange Herd, Tom, Trouble, Gestrock, Colerity, Steve, Whiskey.
They're all great, all great people, all part of our FAMP50 group as well.
So, yeah.
And, another thing we talked about, you know, preventing theft as well.
Not just royalties, but other theft.
A big issue with us is through our partnerships and through having a mission, we've onboarded
a lot of people who don't care about NFTs.
You know, some of our holders are elderly even.
They just love elephants and want to help elephants.
And, it is heartbreaking because sometimes, no matter how much we try to educate, they do
get their assets stolen.
And, that's always a terrible thing.
That when you onboard someone for a good cause, and then suddenly they get wallet drained or
phished or whatever.
So, that's also a really great thing that you're doing, is to prevent against that sort
of theft, too.
And, the thing is, too, there's so many ways to get scammed.
There are so many.
How do you properly train someone against that?
It's impossible.
And, you have applications.
Like, there are a number of applications coming out these days, like WalletGuard, PocketUniverse.
These are kind of like, they try to prevent things.
But, you know, one of my friends had a, she had a ledger with 60K BUSD on her ledger, stolen.
And, it was because there was a ledger update.
But, it wasn't a ledger update.
You know what I mean?
It was a scam.
So, it's like, the scammers and stuff, they usually come in the back door.
And, a lot of times, you're giving your consent.
You just don't realize what you're giving your consent to.
And, that's how they trick you.
So, you know, I think ultimately, this is solved.
Again, I don't know why this is difficult for the space to get on.
But, they'll figure it out sooner or later.
The governance, the blockchains need governance.
Imagine blockchains like countries in the world, right?
You go all over the world.
Every country has different laws.
Now, pretty much, a lot of countries have a lot of the same laws.
Like, no stealing, right?
I think it's a law in every country in the world and all the varying capacities of that.
Well, the future that I see of blockchains is blockchains will have laws as well.
And, those are the sorts of ethics that we enforce.
I mean, for one, we don't allow theft on our blockchain.
You know, so if there is theft, we have the technology, as Mark was describing, in a decentralized way where the network can vote and freeze bad actors and recover those funds.
And, it's really important to make a point here.
This is not rolling back the blockchain.
And, it still is an immutable blockchain.
We're doing new transactions that achieve that.
And, there's no master key to do that.
It's all built into the blockchain.
So, part of the blockchain protocol level.
So, if I'm not around, you don't need me to do it.
If none of the team members have energy around, you don't need any of us to do it.
Anyone can use that, can utilize that, and protect each other.
And, to your point, it's such a crappy feeling that, you know, you onboard someone into the project, right?
And, the next thing that happens is they get rugged.
It's like a downer.
Like, you're having a party and then the rain comes.
I feel like it's like that all the time in the crypto space with all these scams and stuff.
So, I think our values are aligned.
You know, you guys are doing good stuff.
I just feel the vibe.
You know, you guys are doing honorable stuff.
And, I like that.
So, hopefully, we can work more together in the future.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
So, I love what you're doing.
Wonderful, guys.
Well, this was a great, great space.
Mark, did you want to announce the winner of the NFT POAP, the Pope?
Yeah.
So, also, I just wanted to give a call to Edmund.
He joined the space just recently.
So, welcome, Edmund.
And, you know, to a lot of people that are joining slowly.
So, you guys can check out our POAP NFTs.
In the comment section, I have pinned one of our most recent POAP NFT that some of our users,
some of our previous participants won.
And I think Eradso was there that won the POAP NFT that I've shared.
And so, what a POAP NFT is?
So, POAP NFT is an NFT which holds no value, basically, monetary value.
But it holds the value in terms of a specific event.
It could be either participation in a space or, you know, completing a course or, you know,
doing a community building or reaching a milestone within a community.
So, it's like your identification within the community, your trophies within the community.
It acts both as soul-bound.
It's kind of like a cross between soul-bound and like an NFT.
So, basically, it's like a trophy as well as an achievement bet.
So, if you look at any army and you go and you can see the medals, like, you know, hanging on the chest.
And you could, if you're, you know, if you're in that crowd, you could recognize, okay, that's an iron cross.
And, you know, the world war and world war, it's been fought or a Victoria cross or something like that.
So, you can easily identify that.
And, you know, some of these POAP NFTs in the future really hold important value.
So, it gives access to tools for specific individuals.
So, if we were to, you know, we are almost about done finishing our marketplace.
And so, if we were to invite people to test it on our testnet, you know, POAP NFTs could play a major role where we could invite some of the alphas holding those POAP NFTs to come check out our NFT and be, you know, take the lead.
And, you know, the early you are, I've learned a very important thing is that the early you are in crypto space, the more advantage it's for you.
Because everything from mining, non-mining, I've learned from proof of stake, you know, the early you are, the more beneficial it's to you.
So, that's like the POAP NFT.
So, saying that, today's winner is actually Tom.
Is he there?
Oh, I guess the space got rugged because Tom was the first person who actually started tweeting out and, you know, as soon as the space opened.
Oh, man.
Congrats, Tom.
That's awesome.
We know Tom well, so he's just going to help getting his wallet address or anything.
And then, yeah, go ahead.
I did want to, I did see we had a question from the audience.
It could be, it's just a simple question, but I wanted to get Tommy to answer it.
And it's, his name's Gibson, Big Gibbs.
Thank you for attending and thank you for asking the question.
He asks, is energy open source?
It is, yeah.
Our, I mean, the stuff we're working on, we develop in GitLab and then we publish it.
So, yeah, I mean, energy is open source.
So, yeah, you can find our GitHub.
It should be on our website.
Go to energy.world and go to our website.
And, yeah, that's pretty, like, go ahead, Mark.
No, no, no.
Go ahead, Tommy.
I was just saying, it's innovative, you know, and I think, not to compare myself with Elon
Musk, he's a little ahead of me right now in terms of success he's got.
But, you know, sometimes you got to think out of the box, you know, like the way Elon
Musk built his car, built the cars, like everything, a lot of car companies are catching up to that
right now.
Car companies traditionally sourced all their parts and, you know, from all these places
and they all had separate pieces of software.
Elon Musk had everything in-house, you know, and now all the car companies are trying to
catch up to doing that the same way that all their coding and whatnot is cohesive in the
whole car and not using, you know, different software for how everything works.
And I think in that way, you know, I thought outside of the box when I created the solution.
Again, I'm just really surprised that no one went down the mental pathways that I did.
And I also wanted to make sure it works, you know, I've found that as I tell people about
it, as I've been telling people about it the past, you know, six months to a year, some
people think it's not even possible.
I take that as a huge compliment.
And I brought the proofs in the pudding, you know, it's not like a pitch deck.
I have this idea, like we built it and it works and it works beautifully.
So this is the future that I see.
I think in 10, 20 years, every major blockchain pretty much is going to be using some systems
like this.
And, you know, cause this is what's needed for mainstream adoption, protecting the, protecting
the users.
But think of any city or any town, like one of the core services is security police, you
know, otherwise you have what you have the wild wild west, which is exactly what crypto
looks like at large today, which we obviously see isn't great for new people.
So yeah, I mean, well said, Tommy, couldn't, couldn't agree more.
Mark, you wanted to add something?
Yeah.
I mean, uh, uh, I've been very fortunate to be with energy because I've tested almost everything
out here and I want to give a shout out to our, our dev Zucky and Zucky pulled me into,
uh, you know, start minting my own NFTs on energy chain.
And that's what I've been doing that I've actually officially become a bedroom developer.
It's, it's a slang in like the crypto space.
If you're an amateur, like even lower than the amateur.
So come test out, don't be shy.
Energy is, uh, open source.
So the way energy works is the only thing that was developed was the core node, which
is similar to any other crypto project.
So if you take polygon, arbitrum or anything, you have a blockchain that runs with an open
source code, which is already there on our GitHub.
So you deploy that code, right?
You run the core node, which is like the brain of the, the entire blockchain.
And then it's actually fed up, fed through all the nodes that are staking in it.
So all the nodes that come in, it's like a supercomputer and the nodes are like keeping
it alive.
So, but there is no central switch.
So it's all open source.
So meaning that anybody can come and deploy their smart contract.
So I was able to do that.
I was able to deploy smart contracts on both test net and main net, mint my own NFTs, play
around with it, made some dApps.
I'm actually making a dApp using a handy tool called Wersil, Wersil app.
You guys can even look it up.
It's like a front end.
So what I'm trying to do here is I'm trying to mint gas less NFTs on energy.
So it's also called CNFTs on Solana.
Basically what you do is it's compressed NFT.
So you could mint out like thousands of NFTs with like minimum gas as possible.
So answering to the question is like, it's pretty open source.
So you can download the core node and it's, it's like the piece of the, the central piece
of technology of energy.
And just last thing, I'm going to announce a second winner of the POAP NFTs is Steve.
So Tom and Steve, if you're, if you guys are still hearing me, please submit, DM us your
wallet address and your NFTs would be in your energy wallet on the energy chain.
So congrats.
Congrats.
Congrats.
Yeah.
I was just going to piggyback off on your mark.
You read my mind.
I was going to say customer service.
What blockchain provides that where you can actually sit here, have a conversation with
the founder, you can have the dev in here.
And then yeah, another shout out to Zaki because he helped me so much with so many issues I
was having with my nodes and readily available.
I mean, the customer service is just top notch, both in telegram as well as email.
Their email support is phenomenal and they actually get back to you relatively soon.
I have an email just in comparison with OpenSea and I'm still, what, 45 days into it now waiting
for a response.
So, you know, never, never underestimate the value of customer service.
Yeah.
And that's the reason why I came into energy.
Actually, I was blown away by their customer service.
And if you guys have not seen, I've pinned an article in the comment section is how the
energy team actually put a scammer behind bars.
No other blockchain has actually done that in person.
That scammer is still behind bars.
You could track the whole story, how it spawned.
And actually, I was blown away and I've always prioritized, you know, values over monetary
gains and, you know, that's propelled me to actually start my first core node in 2020.
I think it was right around that time, like three, four months before that Wascoin released
that video about like, you know, how the scam and hack happened.
And then, you know, from there on the journey evolved into like a single core node to master
nodes, multiple master nodes, and then officially started working with Tommy and the energy team.
And I always like, I'm always reiterate the fact that, you know, I'm not bound by position,
like position for me, it's like just like the title.
I will do everything that is required by me.
If I have to code, I will code it.
If I have to do marketing, I'll do marketing.
If I'll have to do partnership, I'll do partnerships.
If I have to do anything that's required for, you know, the crypto space to be successful
and safe through the vision of energy, I'm always there to help people.
So you guys can reach out to me or energy at any point of time, and you're always welcome
and safe here.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Thank you, Mark.
And I think we're getting close to wrapping it up.
So did anyone else on the panel want to have a few last words before we?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
I'll jump in.
And partially because Jess Rock messaged me and pointed out that I forgot to mention something,
is that, you know, a lot of the conversation here is about, you know, thwarting bad actors
in the crypto space.
In our history, actually, we were kind of pudgy penguins before they were pudgy penguins.
We were founded by a couple of guys, and one of those two guys was, you know, one of the
most, one of the worst people in the NFT space.
He actually rug pulled untamed elephants, took all the mint money and peaced out.
And, um, the community really rallied around that.
And, um, that's how I, and then I ended up coming to take over the project.
Um, so, you know, no one's more familiar than us with the importance of keeping, uh, bad actors
out.
Um, and, um, I even worked with the, uh, with the FBI and Homeland Security for trying to,
um, get some, uh, get some justice, uh, for that guy, but they work very slowly.
And, you know, it's been, it's been over a year, year plus now, uh, of, of paperwork and
back and forth.
Uh, so if, um, if, um, if, if we can kind of thwart these bad actors without the use of
the criminal justice system, just having it built into the code, I think that's, that'd be
a wonderful thing, man.
That is so funny that you say that.
Isn't that such a, isn't that like the story of so much stuff and NFTs and crypto and yeah,
that, that strikes home.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, right on.
Um, well, great meeting you guys.
Uh, yeah, I, I, uh, I don't have anything else to say.
I was good, good connecting with you guys and look forward to, uh, we should do more
collabs and stuff in the future and just happy to help each other however we can.
Uh, anyone else have any last things they want to mention for a wrap up?
Yeah.
I just wanted to say, Hey, thanks Untamed for kind of getting that impromptu, uh, invitation
and joining us, uh, Tom, Steve, Jess, a whole host of you guys here representing.
And I really appreciate it.
Uh, looking forward to, uh, growing with you in the future.
Sounds wonderful.
I did want to give one last shout out.
Um, one last shout out to our, we have, we actually have two NFT musicians launching on
our marketplace when we go live and the music you were listening to before we started was
from KRP and, you know, he's an up and coming artist.
He is going to be launching his NFT, his music, his singles on our, on our NFT marketplace.
And I just wanted to give him a shout out.
Maybe he's not on this space currently, but you know, we did record this space, so he will
be able to listen to us, but we do appreciate your musical creativity and creativeness.
And we, we, we, we fully support you and we're excited to have you launch on a marketplace.
I saw you trying to say something, I'm 10 elephants.
You're, you're, you're good to go.
If you wanted to say something real quick.
No, for the shout out, but, uh, that's okay.
Music NFTs are, are one of the most kind of under, underappreciated and undervalued use
cases.
Um, so always great to see innovation, innovation being done there.
Awesome guys.
Well, it was a great space.
We've been going on for almost 90 minutes now and just a ton of value, a ton of, ton of
great insight from, from energy builders to untamed elephants builders.
And, you know, we definitely got to do a collab again.
So looking forward to, to doing something in the near future together, guys.
Yeah.
Likewise.
Um, you know, anything that we can tie to elephant charity, we're always, we're all ears.
Sounds good.
Well, thank you guys all have an awesome rest of your week and have a great weekend and we'll
catch you guys on the next one.
See y'all.
See you guys.
Bye everyone.
Have a good day guys.
Enjoy the music.
Let me tell you of the day, a cheer for the year, something to sing by the fire, a song
to rest your grief on, something to sing when your heart is racing, something to sing when
your heart is racing, something to sing when you're out.
Give it to me.
take care guys have a great rest of your day and a great weekend bye
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