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EXPOSED: The Pattern, The Proof, and the Truth They Keep Burying
Recorded: June 7, 2025 Duration: 2:03:42Space Recording
Short Summary
In a powerful discussion, Katie Waisall exposes the dark underbelly of the entertainment industry, revealing systemic abuse and manipulation by powerful figures like Simon Cowell. As she rallies support through petitions and community activism, the conversation highlights a growing trend of accountability and the urgent need for change in the industry.
Full Transcription
Thank you. oh albeit i love that music whilst everyone's waiting um i don't know if you guys can hear it
but i didn't want you all to be waiting in just silence so i appreciate very much for you all
joining i'm just going to wait for a few more people to jump on in and join too um before we get started um I hope you're all doing
okay um if you hear me taking a big breath like this um it's unfortunately uh something that
happens when um I navigate talking about things like this um so, so don't worry, I'm okay. Um, but I didn't want
you to think that I was being, um, a little peculiar, but I literally find that these things
and especially these topics, um, like, like, uh, I have to work through a lot of stuff in order to reopen my mouth to talk about these things.
Given some traumatic events in the past in the creative industries and entertainment industry.
They kept it all locked up and shut.
And that's just putting it in a bit of a nutshell.
But welcome everybody.
I feel like I should take a big fat
breath um and I appreciate each and every one of you for being here um I did also write some notes
because sometimes um especially when talking about these things and certain people there's just so
much to say that I kind of go off on a tangent. So I wrote some notes here so that you all can kind of follow along in sync.
But before we begin, some of the things may be quite triggering.
And so just be mindful and a little sensitive to that.
If there's anything uncomfortable that you don't want to hear then I'm not going to be
upset if you remove yourself from the space and then come back in um I just want to be mindful
that it's sensitive topics to be discussed and also this isn't just my space it's your space
our space and a safe space and I know it's recorded and I'm kicking myself I'm like what
did I record this and then I'm like, what did I record this? And then I'm like, because it should be recorded. So yes, welcome everybody. If anyone's got any questions, don't feel like you can't request to come and speak. Please, please, please do so. And please re-like and share this, re-like, like and re-share and repost this space.
like and share this like and reshare and repost this space so I'm gonna um I'm gonna look at
some of my notes just to kind of open this conversation oh yeah you are and so I normally
host open topic spaces for people to read between the lines especially in the entertainment industry, but tonight I really am drawing a line.
There is so much truth that is unfortunately being silenced and evidence that's being crushed.
And so frustratingly, there are people in positions of power that are hiding behind
like somewhat of these polished facades. So for anybody that's new here my name is katie waisall
uh god it takes a lot for me to even say that oh uh former singer songwriter um former ex-mactor
contestant in 2010 and survivor of an industry built on coercion and cover-ups. And yes, including the very system that Simon Cowell still to this
day oversees. So why are we here? I have laid every document, every email, every contract
and witness statement bare in my book. I have been working on this book called Expos, those who have been in my live spaces before, you'll be familiar of when I shared that I sent multiple subject access requests to those involved with what happened to me.
a little bit more detail in just a bit um but I am so sick to death of people in positions of power
including the police um not investigating and acting upon the evidence and facts that they have
to do something about it so um I won't necessarily rehash all of the details and info, what's in my book, but my book is called Exposed.
It's a long story.
But what's been incredibly frustrating is that even though it's legally sound, for those that don't know I studied law during lockdown
I wanted to understand how the law works and make sure that anything that I do say
I would be comfortable sharing and speaking in front of a judge I think that's really really
really important so anything that I do share um it is backed up with evidence, 100%, tenfold.
But I had... Hang on.
I just want to refer back to my notes one second
because I'd also said that...
Sorry, this is just...
It's a lot because this is such an important conversation to be having
and I sound like I've got my act together, and I do.
But then also internally and subconsciously, it's really, really hard.
And even more frustrating, the fact that, you know, I've lost friends, unfortunately,
in the entertainment industry, um unnecessarily so um which is just
devastating and in such questionable circumstances but anyway um okay so uh right going back to my
notes quickly and then please request to speak, ask any questions you
wish. But here's the important thing. Okay. Is that I've told you that I'm at my wits end,
that the truth is being silenced and that evidence is being crushed and powerful people
are hiding behind a facade of business as usual.
Over the past 15 years, I have collected files, contracts, emails, evidence of trafficking that happened with me,
communications showing fraud, manipulation, trigger warning here, sexual assault.
I took it all to local police international authorities lawyers i even studied law myself only to be told we've never seen anything like this
before and we don't know what to do meanwhile those in power quietly buried the truth
and i want to bring up some case studies here. And again, trigger warning.
Diddy, multiple women, credible allegations of sexual violence,
and yet there's a crisis PR machine spinning damage control, right?
Epstein, a global trafficking empire protected by lawyers,
enablers, and the same PR networks that shield the powerful.
Weinstein, decades of abuse, repeated legal loopholes,
a network of insiders who silenced survivors.
Simon Cowell, my own story of being coerced, trafficked, on a one-pound contract, betrayed by friends who whispered to producers and press,
then vanished when I needed them the most.
The common denominator here with all of these case studies is it's not money or celebrity.
It's the people behind the scenes.
It is the crisis PR operatives, fixers,
and what's really effed up is it includes a friend, well, former friend, somebody who I once trusted.
I trusted her with my everything, but she turned out to be a handler and worked for Simon Cowell the entire time.
Which is just disgusting.
I guess she's a bit like Maxwell, who protected Epstein's clients.
So these files that I'm sitting on could actually break open every one of these cases. Yet the
police refuse to investigate, publishers refuse to print, and broadcasters refuse to air it.
print and broadcasters refuse to air it. So power trumps justice. But it's just, I won't stand for
it. And I'm sure that none of you all will anyway. But basically, I'm not here for clickbait.
I'm here for accountability. And I'll open the floor to your questions but please know this that every document
that I have and show is very real every name I mention is verified and if you care about justice
for those survivors and for every victim silence in this industry please stay with me because
together this evidence needs to be set free. And what's incredibly frustrating and devastating,
and just kind of closing it here,
is that it took me a long time to write what I have written,
and I am back in PTSD therapy, and God bless therapy.
Thank God for it.
And every single publisher that my literary agent, God bless her,
I can't believe I even have one, which is just amazing,
came back with paragraphs upon paragraphs upon paragraphs of how fantastic
my writing was, which I got goosebumps over because i did not expect that at all
how much the story needs to be shared and that they wish to back it however and here is the however
um from a legal standpoint simon cowell it's a conflict of interest because Simon Cowell is also signed with majority of the major publishers here in the UK.
And people are still afraid and they should not be afraid because how are we supposed to make a difference and a change with people still hiding and quashing these stories.
There are specific people, and it's a very small circle,
like I said, that are involved with Diddy, Epstein, Weinstein, Howell.
The list goes on and on and on and on,
but really not very good people.
And I have all of this evidence, digital and in my home office that I'm sat on,
desperately trying to put out. And it's not because I, and I'll close this here and go to
the hands, but it's, someone might say, oh, well, why don't you just put it all out here on X, you know?
And that's, that's not a problem.
I absolutely will.
But it's not going to change anything.
And I refuse to let these awful people control any of our lives anymore. I am so at the end of my tether and furious,
as you probably can hear, but, uh, it is not, um, things won't change if we, uh, play ball with the maybes that is constantly put in front of us. Anywho, I appreciate everybody
being patient whilst I navigated explaining this. I hope it makes sense. But I am here to answer
any and all questions that you may have. Like I said, MySpace is your space. I can't see any hands.
Oh, Stacey. Stacey has a hand. Go ahead, Stacey.
Hi, babe. How are you?
A little bit breathless. How are you?
Yeah, I'm okay. Sorry, I can't find my earphones. So maybe a bit echoey. But I was just thinking,
could you publish through Amazon as a self-published author
That way your book gets out there
I appreciate what you're saying
Actually I should put this in the jumbotron
Because
Excuse me
I hear what you're saying
And I absolutely could
I am so furious
Though
And I don't want to talk on behalf of
all victims out there but when people have been through what we've been through um to put it
lightly um it is impossible to break free from a stereotype or get on with your life you are forever cattle branded
you are forever uh contracted with these bastards but i wouldn't even wipe my tush with these
contracts that we all signed but the illusion of fear is very very very real um because
unfortunately these people hold the purse strings and
are incredibly calculated and manipulative um again i guess i could put it on amazon but then
if all of these publishers are saying oh yes it's great and the way she's written it and
this story should be told i want to fight i want to fight on not just on behalf of me but on behalf of anybody that is
trying to do something good and turn poison into medicine and they have a right and a human right
to just get on with their lives um and actually I was on um Christ Christelle space yesterday and shout out Kevin. Hi, it's nice to see you on here.
And, um, Oh, hi, Kettlewell Dan. So, um, I was just compelled to put a petition together.
And if we get, and again, this is nothing to do with, Oh, I just want to be published. No, it would prove to the other side that there is power in
people's voices. And here is the truth. Here are the facts. My book will get through any legal.
I'm laughing because I had this issue with the Sunday Times article a couple of years ago.
And this is disgusting. This is just to give you guys an example right
um so the sunday times megan agnew who is a phenomenal journalist and writer
um we were doing an article about why i went to law school and i had explained everything to her
and i gave her what she needed in terms of pushing it through legal and everyone has a legal
right of reply. The lawyers for Powell and the X Factor proclaimed that they had never even heard
of me, which is a joke because I laughed and I sent Megan the email correspondence between myself and the people that said they'd never heard of me,
right? They're such bastards. And Megan, God bless her, she pushed this through.
And that's what enabled or allowed for that article to come out. We were like, well, screw you.
If you want to sue us, go ahead, but you're going to look stupid. So, yeah, back to this point of like,
there is so much evidence and information out there
that it holds its weight that it should be published.
And maybe, you never know, it would hopefully change
the climate of nonfiction book publishing, for example,
and I'll lead by example.
I should put the petition link in the Jumbotron,
and I've not even posted it, but I get, I just, I don't know,
I get not shy, but just like.
Well, Katie, first of all, it is incredibly brave of you to come out and do this.
And just even being able to talk about it is just incredibly courageous of you.
So props to you, first of all.
You know, we're literally all here for you.
Look at all the people that you brought in here.
Just, you know, just take a, take a
breather. I literally have chills all over my body to like, see what is, what you're going to be
talking about, but take a breather. You're doing amazing. You know, we're all here for you and,
you know, share, share what you want. It is incredibly, incredibly, incredibly brave of
someone to come out and speak out about something like this. Right. And, um, you know, I just, just props to you and you're amazing. And, you know, just, just take a breather,
rely on us. If you need any help, we're all here for you.
I really appreciate you, Ani. And I cannot wait, just FYI, for our space on Monday and Kevin.
Um, uh, oh, wow. Honey Badger's here. Becky, um, Kate Fitz or just so many,
Gladriel, Demeter. Wow. So many amazing people are in here. Um,
I am internally grateful, um, for everybody's support. Um,
it absolutely is all connected. Um,
I'm happy to, if only if people wish to read a short x is it called it excerpt x yeah yeah um
thank you um just so you guys can understand like what's in this i just in an ideal world i'd invite
you all over to my house and we would all just go and sit in my office, which is just like a teeny tiny room.
It sounds better than it is.
But imagine imagine 150 people in your office right now.
Oh, my God.
I would be honored.
I would be like, shut the front door.
Wow.
Wow.
I mean, I would be like, please.
I think there's a part of me just vulnerably sharing this with everybody listening.
There's a part of me that's just like screaming out for people to, and I know you guys do,
but like, this is awful.
These people are awful.
We're talking, forget the industry sector.
We're talking about the human trafficking and modern day slavery of young
vulnerable people, plus manipulation, fraud, theft, coercion, the whole nine yards. And then imagine
telling somebody, shit, this is what I've been through. And then nothing happens like these people should be in jail they should be in jail i am so mad
um do you want to do you want to share one little story to just to get started
yeah i i give you guys like um like uh i was just trying to find it here on my phone um and x an x uh um i i wish you could all just be in
my mind like what was that um what was the movie like avatar just plug in and yeah but anywho um
okay so let me pull this up and hopefully this will make a little bit more um sense and while
you do that kat Katie, I did go
ahead and post the link to your petition up in the jumbocron. If anybody wants to throw it,
let's start there guys. Let's support her. Let's get our names on the list. And then we're going
to have your back every step of the way through this. I know I'm speaking for a lot of people
here, but you're not alone. These guys have gotten away with these things for too long and you got an army behind you girl so let's uh yeah we're here we got you thank you so much i
just i literally want to cry um while you guys are listening go ahead and like and repost the
space because this is something that is important and you know whether it's true or not whether you believe it's true or
not you know it's something that needs to be heard and you know the more people that hear it the
better and they can obviously make their own decisions on what's what's happening but you know
like and repost the space and uh support katie as much as you can thank you um i'll read a little excerpt of it. I'll just skip the about, but for the introduction, I wrote, it's just after 3am and the house is still, except for the quiet breathing of my son, who's asleep down the hall, steady and peaceful, reminding me that life continues, even when you feel trapped in a moment that you can't escape.
continues, even when you feel trapped in a moment that you can't escape. The heating clicked off an
hour ago, and the tea I never drank has long gone cold, and I'm here cross-legged on the floor of my
office, surrounded by the shattered pieces of a puzzle that I've spent years painstakingly trying
to put together. Subject access requests, emails, contracts, police reports, press clippings,
internal communications, and redacted files, now scattered in, police reports, press clippings, internal communications,
and redacted files, now scattered in front of me, holding secrets far darker than I ever imagined.
These documents aren't merely paper, they are tangible proof, the undeniable record of a life systemically controlled, bought, sold, and manipulated without my consent. They map out
clearly how I was not only deceived but trafficked into an
exploitative cycle of coercion and betrayal. They reveal how Simon Cowell's company secretly
purchased my US record deal for $250,000, money that I never saw, and how royalties owed to me
and other contestants were quietly withheld, profits we earned but were denied. More disturbingly, they uncovered the calculated deceit behind the show's supposed care,
this welfare officer who we trusted with our mental health and well-being,
but she turned out to be nothing more than a casting director assigned to manage us, not protect us.
Even the doctor they provided, who we were led to believe was independent,
had been employed privately by ITV for years prior.
These documents exposed the system carefully constructed to control us, leaving nothing to
chance, shaping every aspect of our experience right down to our very identities, and here they
are, all laid out in front of me. Yet as revealing as these pages are, you deserve to know first why I have them all and what led me to
finally demand answers after so many years of silence um so that's like I guess like the intro
um I wish I could read the whole thing out to you um but I don't want to keep everybody, but it is.
How did it start?
You know, where was your first clue? When did you first get the ickies from them and start to kind of be suspicious
and wary of things that were going on?
Great question.
This is all answered in the book.
But I never wanted to go on that show
uh ever and there were two people who very serendipitously weirdly uh ended into my life
at the same time one person was from the United States the other was from the UK um and I have really like I I outline all of this in my book um because I said
out of the billions of people on this planet like why me um well I guess maybe um maybe if I read
a little bit more um about why I filed a police report and how that came about.
So I said, it began with a police report I filed in April 2021, sitting crouched beneath my kitchen table, shaking uncontrollably, whispering desperately to myself out of the billions of people on this earth, why me?
The question had echoed in my heart for years,, Simon Cowell had insisted, almost begged,
that I return from Los Angeles to perform in the X Factor final in London. He personally paid for
my flight, promising that this would be my redemption and a chance to reclaim everything
taken from me in 2010. But upon arrival, jet-lagged and hopeful, I discovered the cruel truth,
the promise solo performance that was instead a humiliating mockery,
a joke group act rehearsed secretly to embarrass me.
I was supposed to be, no, I was to be ziplined onto stage, a spectacle and a punchline,
and devastated I tried to leave, only for Simon to stop me backstage, his words gentle yet chilling,
don't let everybody down.
On stage, lost in the overwhelming noise and lights, I instinctively
turned to Simon, mouthing the words, you owe me one big time, unaware that the cameras captured
that moment. Then the next morning, those words stared back at me from the front page of a
newspaper. You owe me one big time. My private anguish now a public headline. That evening,
backstage at Wembley, I stood alone in Simon's private bar
area in his dressing room, surrounded only by his closest circle, Brian Friedman, Louis Walsh,
Sinita and Lauren Silverman. In that surreal moment, swallowing back humiliation, I found
enough courage to confront Simon, telling him softly, you've taken everything from me,
at least let me write for your artist. And he didn't hesitate.
He simply turned to the man standing behind him,
the global head of A&R at Psycho, and said,
when you are both back in LA,
I want you two to meet about Katie writing for our artists.
We met again three months later at the Mondrian Sky Bar in West Hollywood,
a place I'd once considered safe.
I'd already emailed Simon's
assistant to confirm we were meeting, even publicly shared it on Instagram. We spoke about getting
dinner at Katana, the sushi restaurant across the street, but first he insisted we continue our
conversation upstairs as he had left something in his room. Naively trusting Simon's endorsement,
I followed him and the instant the hotel room door closed, I realised my mistake, but it was already too late.
I'm not going to go into the graphic details.
It really is triggering, not just for me, but I'm sure for some other people.
But outside, a line of taxis waited quietly and I threw myself into the first one,
shutting the door behind me as waves of panic surge through my body.
Trembling, tears blurring my vision, I dialed the one person I trusted more than anyone else in the world.
Melissa, my best friend.
Desperate for the safety of her voice, praying that she could somehow make sense of this nightmare.
And her response shattered me further.
Katie, these things happen in the industry.
What can you do about it? You just got to move on. Katie, these things happen in the industry. What can
you do about it? You just got to move on. And unfortunately, I believed her. I had no one else.
And she'd always promised that she would protect me. And I had no idea of what it would come to.
I would come to discover years later that she was Simon Cowell's crisis publicist,
carefully managing me, blocking every attempt I later made
to speak out. So I tried to push it down and file it away and to relieve her because she was all I
had, the only person who knew the whole truth and at the time I didn't realise who she truly was,
nor could I see clearly the role that she'd been playing all along, quietly shaping my decisions
and keeping me trapped in silence.
That night, as her words sank deep into me, these things happen in the industry, what can you do,
just move on. She knowingly locked me back into silence and that silence stayed with me,
embedded in my bones for years. Now in 2017, during the rise of the Me Too movement,
something within me shifted. I sat on my sofa in New York,
four months pregnant, holding my breath as I watched the incredible Rose McGowan bravely
speaking out. I read the harrowing accounts of other women who endured similar ordeals,
and it felt as though every word printed on those pages reached directly into my chest,
gripping my heart and squeezing tight. And I realised perhaps for the first time
that what happened to me was not some awful anomaly. It was just part of a systemic, horrific
pattern of exploitation. And I just had to speak up. And I knew I couldn't carry the weight of it
alone. I told Melissa, I told my partner and began carefully putting together the pieces of my story
I deeply buried, such as the timeline,
the emails, the receipts. I reached out to a journalist determined to break my silence to
finally reclaim the voice that had been stolen from me. I handed over every shred of evidence,
hoping desperately that that was my final chance to be heard. But when that journalist contacted
Simon Cowell's team for comment, my story was shut down immediately and instead of
answers or apologies, I was inundated with legal letters from Simon Cowell's lawyers at Carter
Ruck, not gently suggesting but coldly insisting that if what I alleged had indeed happened, I must
report it directly to Simon himself, not to the police, not to an independent safeguarding
authority, to Simon Cowell. It was a chilling directive,
one I instantly recognised as a blatant attempt to control my narrative. And at that moment,
it hit me with devastating clarity. They didn't want justice, they wanted control.
So again, I stayed quiet, terrified, newly pregnant and isolated. I fell back into silence.
My son was born in Manhattan, and in December in 2018,
I packed up my lives and returned to London, determined to start over and to rebuild from
the ground up. I wanted nothing more than to be a mother and to protect my child and to heal
quietly and privately. But then one quiet evening in 2019, as I sat curled up on my sofa I switched on the television and there it was celebrity x
factor Simon Cowell's carefully crafted world right there in front of me and my stomach churned
as the camera parent of Simon smiling serene as always and seated just a few places away from him
was the man who had sexually assaulted me in a meeting that Simon directly requested.
And I stared at the screen and I was unable to move or breathe. And the reason why is because
he had known for years, he had orchestrated the meeting himself, facilitated by his assistant,
paid for my flight back to London in 2014 2014 and even promised redemption only to hand me over to that very man.
It shattered me and in that moment something inside me broke, fully, completely.
So I messaged Melissa again, desperate and broken, telling her I needed to speak out but once again she urged silence.
She acknowledged what I was talking about, but her message made
it clear. I shouldn't. And so I kept quiet again. Yet it wasn't until 2021, after a painful eye
opening trip back to Los Angeles, finally severed what remained of my friendship with Melissa.
Then I gathered the courage to finally report it to the police. I finally spoke out and finally
reclaimed my story from the shadows because I couldn't
carry it anymore I mean this is like I I don't want people just to kind of
unless you want me to carry on.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
All right.
Don't forget how empowering it is, this systematic isolation when people are trying to isolate you like this.
They're trying to separate you from your community.
They're trying to make you feel silenced.
That, you know, that's their game, but they can't win.
You've gone forward to build this beautiful community that's on your profile there.
And so, yeah, carry on because with strength and community, they can't win.
And we're here and we're here to listen.
Well, thank you I I'll read just a little bit more and um hopefully it will help people understand truly what all of this yuckiness is about but um I knew I couldn't carry anymore
I contacted a woman's charity in King's Cross in the middle of the night knowing that my son was
sound asleep upstairs and I told them everything they held my hand through every step of the way, and from there the floodgates opened.
I began filing subject access requests.
I started pulling every record I could find, flights, contracts, emails, footage, correspondence,
and what I discovered was worse than I ever imagined,
because it confirmed that what I lived through wasn't just a series of unfortunate events.
because it confirmed that what I lived through wasn't just a series of unfortunate events.
It was a coordinated structure, a system of exploitation, silencing and control.
But nothing could have prepared me for the final blow.
As the truth began to surface publicly, I received a call from a journalist
who softly, almost reluctantly asked,
Katie, you do realise that the person giving press statements on behalf of the X Factor in response to your story is Melissa.
Melissa, my best friend, my confidant, the person that I had trusted most in this world,
had been secretly working as Simon Cowell's crisis publicist all along.
She was actively discrediting me behind my back, issuing statements, dismissing my trauma.
It was a betrayal so calculated and complete that it felt unreal, like a twisted film script that I was trapped within.
And in that moment, everything stopped.
The spell was truly broken, instantly and violently.
Melissa, the person who I trusted my life with, the one who had kept me silent for so many years, hadn't been protecting me at all.
She had managed me, silenced me, carefully controlled my narrative all along, working closely with Simon Cowell himself.
My heart felt as if it had been ripped from my chest.
This was betrayal deeper and darker than anything I'd ever imagined.
But with that revelation, a new clarity emerged.
I saw the intricate web of manipulation, the carefully placed words, the forced silence,
the subtle yet devastating coercion that shaped my every decision.
That betrayal was the catalyst and the final breaking of the spell,
and it drove me to demand these subject access requests scattered around me now
to uncover every hidden truth, to confront the past, not just for myself, but for the countless others.
Oh, I get emotional. Got to put it together. Countless others who have been manipulated and silenced by this industry.
So when I say these papers matter, the ones spread across my office floor at three o'clock in the morning. The ones carefully marked and redacted and kept hidden for years.
I don't speak metaphorically.
These papers are the only physical evidence tracing a painful path
from that stage at Wembley Stadium through Simon Cowes
and whispered promises of redemption
all the way to that hotel room at the Mondrian Hotel in West Hollywood,
the very place where my dignity and my trust and my voice were violently stripped from me.
When I speak about the illusion of choice, I mean it literally.
Every single opportunity I thought I ever had, every so-called chance, handshake,
every careful constructed contract was never about lifting me up or empowering me.
Instead, each was meticulously designed to exploit me and to silence me
and to leave me utterly powerless.
The welfare officer who was meant to support us
turned out to be that casting director, as I said before,
ensuring our narrative stayed neatly scripted.
The show's doctor billed as that independent care
had a long-standing tie with ITV,
and again, it blurs any genuine duty of care.
So I'm in Kel's company withheld all of our performance royalties without our knowledge.
I eventually, royalties I eventually fought for and won setting a precedent that continues to
help others reclaim what's rightfully theirs.
The record label deal I poured my heart into was quietly purchased by Cal for again $250,000,
stripping me of all control over my music and my career.
Melissa, who once promised to protect me, now finds herself embroiled in a lawsuit by Blake Lively alongside Justin Baldoni,
yet another glimpse behind the facade of her carefully crafted image. Meanwhile, Brahim, who was quietly moved by Cal's
directive to Sony Music in the Netherlands, after similar allegations emerged from another
contestant on Celebrity X Factor, their system was never about justice, it was only about damage control.
Yet despite the efforts to silence me and to erase my truth, I am here now speaking openly,
freely and loudly because silence is no longer an option. I found my voice again and this time I
refuse to let it go. This book isn't merely about setting the record straight. It's about reclaiming my story and exposing a system that profits from pain.
I share this not simply for me, but for every single person who's been betrayed, silenced and manipulated by an industry built on exploitation.
I've seen and lived the side effects of this system in the headlines that rock your world.
The deep sorry following the questionable death of my good
friend Liam Payne. The tragic loss of Caroline Flack who crumbled under the barrage of relentless
misleading headlines, media pressure and isolation. And the haunting legacy of my friend Amy Winehouse
whose remarkable talent was consumed by an industry that capitalized on her vulnerability.
talent was consumed by an industry that capitalized on her vulnerability and even the cautionary tales
of former reality tv stars like those on love island whose dreams were destroyed by unyielding
media scrutiny these cases aren't isolated incidents they are case studies and exploitation
revealing how the same principles that once tripped me of my unvarnished creativity continue to operate today.
Compounding.
Wow.
Sorry.
I got emotional and I just lost my where I was.
But anywho.
Do you want to speak about your friend at all?
I miss him
I miss them
And I
Made a promise
I make a promise to everybody
That
Like
I can't stop, won't stop
Until the truth actually comes out
You know
I found out won't stop until the truth actually comes out you know um
oh i i found out where i was uh these cases aren't isolated incidents they are case studies
in exploitation revealing how the same principles that once stripped me of my own varnish creativity
continue to operate today compounding the confusion and the trauma
we all continue to endure. Our stories matter, our truths deserve to be told, and if I've learned
anything from the chaos of my past, it's that the greatest power we hold is in our words and our
voices. Every song I ever wrote, every heartfelt promise made to my grandfather. Every dream I fought for was purchased, dismantled, and sold as a commodity.
My creativity became a product, my profits were withheld, and my identity eroded.
My truth silenced.
Today's artists face even deeper, subtler exploitation.
Digital clauses stripping them of rights over their lives and work in perpetuity.
The machine, unfortunately, has evolved, becoming more insidious, hiding behind polished narratives while secretly destroying lives.
Yet through every trauma and every betrayal, every painful discovery, I found a deeper truth.
Reclaiming our voices is possible, but first we must expose how they were stolen.
I'll land that there.
Oh, my gosh. And thank you so much for letting
me show that that's an excerpt what do you call it excerpt from my book um now the person that i
was talking to about and how it entwines with the all of these current cases such as Diddy, Weinstein, Epstein, is that she was in the background of all of them.
All of them.
I will never, I've got goosebumps,
and I will never forget the day that she called me,
and I had no clue what on earth was going on
because this was before the spell was broken,
but she was telling me about her sister and the issue with Ghislaine Maxwell outside In-N-Out Burger with her friend's dog.
Now, I don't know if you guys have seen this, but if you search Ghislaine Maxwell In-N-Out Burger, you'll see her sat with a dog.
her sat with a dog. She did Harvey Weinstein's crisis PR. She is involved with Scooter Braun.
she's currently being sued by Blake Lively.
She represented Johnny Depp.
She put Hope Hicks in with Trump.
It's wild that all of these,
I say all of these,
these very few people are behind everything.
So, oh, I'm just going to add everyone as a speaker.
Apologies for the late add-on right here.
Happy to go to the hands.
And thank you again for being so patient and also supportive of me sharing that
and Kay Fitz
thank you so much for posting the link
to the petition
just to reset the space
it's very
very important that these files
and these documents and evidence comes out
in every
which way imaginable and possible
so please please please sign this petition it
costs nothing um just a couple of seconds of your time and please reshare repost it
and let's get this truth out there um I don't know who was first with the hands but um
if anybody wishes to help me with that, I'd be grateful.
I'll go.
Since you brought up the petition, do you want to tell us a little bit about what your goals are with it, why we're signing it?
And do you want to talk a little bit about it?
Love you for that.
As I was saying in the very beginning of this space, it's incredibly frustrating that these people in alleged, what I say alleged, they unfortunately are in positions of power, such as your cows and so on and so forth.
They don't want the truth, facts and evidence to come out.
I mean, we're still waiting for the Epstein list to be exposed and disclosed.
Like, do you know what I mean?
When there is a
will, there is a way. And it's again a whack-a-mole. And frustratingly, I had such incredible feedback
from the publishers here in the UK. But unfortunately, I was met with something that's
not new to my ears. It's a conflict of interest because Simon Cowell's
also signed with this publishing house and from a legal stand and I'm like no no no no stop being
afraid please please please just push this through but all of these uh editors and publishers they
were so kind with their feedback but it kind of irked me a little bit more because I'm like, we didn't just push it through so that the world can have the receipts.
And so I put together a petition just to sign.
And I put it together yesterday because these people need to know
that there are people in this big wide world
that, uh, back this, you know, it's not fair for, uh, these disturbing entities like your Simon
Cowell or your Weinsteins or whomever to ruin people's lives and control the narrative it's enough
people have a right to do state facts and um and to get on with their lives and move on and the
general public has a right to know so I uh I put it together a petition petition where basically it's supporting the release of this book that I wrote, Exposed, that you all just heard an excerpt of.
if you could sign and support it, should you so wish, and share it and spread that message
that we will not be silenced, we will not be owned, we will not be controlled. The truth
should be set free. It should be allowed to be put out there just as much as anything else.
So I hope that answers the question.
Yeah, absolutely.
You are still looking for, you're still looking for publishers, right?
For the right publisher.
Yeah, yes.
So in the UK, we have something called the top five.
And it's not over yet um you know fingers and toes
crossed that uh macmillan will come on through they've been incredibly supportive so far but
unfortunately as i'm sure that you guys will understand and appreciate the world is continuously
evolving and growing and and people um historically
a certain like who are from a certain generation they're set in their ways and i understand and
respect that greatly um they don't seem to be the risk takers i mean i couldn't have made it any more
clear that i would not put myself and my young son in a position of, of being sued, for example, um, at all, because that,
that means more to me than a publisher being sued. Who gives a crap? Like, uh, respectfully,
I would never write anything that, it would be good.
And it should be out there.
I wish my name wasn't even attached to it.
I wish I wasn't attached to my name sometimes.
You know, I hope that makes sense.
Yeah, if I can, Melody had her hand up for a while and then we have Bao.
Hey, yeah, I just wanted to come up and commend you for your bravery.
And thank you for shedding light on stuff that happens far too often.
Like, it's just absolutely
ridiculous at this point. You would think that with our freedoms that we do have,
like here on X for example, that some truth would be, it would be coming to
light more potently than it is.
And I really, really hope that that happens.
There's some terrible, terrible things that have happened to people in the music industry, especially.
And yeah, I just wanted to come up here and say thank you for shedding light on that and working tirelessly.
I can hear it in your voice. Like I can hear it in your voice
that you're like, you live, breathe, eat, sleep, fixing this and shedding light on it and hopefully
stopping it from continuing. So I just wanted to commend you for that and say thank you.
And I really hope that you do find, um, moments to be able to breathe and to find peace because I can only
imagine how stressful it is. So I really hope that that's the case. I hope that you have like
an outlet that lets you kind of breathe a bit. So yeah, and this space is really important. So if anybody hasn't shared it already, I'm going to go ahead and share it.
Repost the space.
That's how these truths get exposed.
More and more people just need to be aware of this stuff.
And slowly but surely, we can hopefully put an end to it.
I'm very curious to see how, for example, the Diddy case pans out.
It's very frustrating that there's so many high level people involved in behind the scenes,
because it makes it feel like we're so small, and that our voice is so small, and won't take
us very far. But I think with enough voices involved, we can make changes.
I think that the music industry is changing in a way that actually I think labels are kind of scared. business models changing to try and suit the current climate of independent artists, you know,
emerging without them. And they're trying to get involved and they're, they're preying on them.
Every single day they're, they're signing new artists, these small artists that are
all excited to, to get signed to a label. and little did they know that they're actually becoming a write-off to that label,
because they have certain, they got money that they need to spend, and they actually need to take a loss,
so that way they don't have to pay as much in taxes.
So yeah, they like signing these independent, I don't want to call them naive because that seems harsh, but they like signing people that they've got stars in their eyes and they're like, oh my God, yay, this label is going to take me under their wing and blow me up.
But in fact, what they like to do is use those small artists as leverage for their bank accounts and preach yeah they they
pour everything it is they pour everything into the the people that have signed away their entire
lives like they've their souls have been sold to these labels and they're going to make billions
off of them for the rest of their life even after they they die. So they're good, they're fine, they're happy,
and they need us little artists to be able to leverage their bank accounts. So I think that's
something that we can shed light on to try and protect people. Because I think that even though
there are a lot of people woken up and waking up to this, It's very, very easy to be swindled in the music industry.
People love to, they have really charming ways of attacking and preying on these small artists.
and preying on these small artists.
And sometimes those charming ways turn into very dangerous situations.
And that's what we're here talking about.
And yeah, I just wanted to commend you for that
because I can only imagine how difficult it was
to bring yourself to a place of being able to talk about it openly.
I can hear it, like I said, in your voice.
Just as much as you can, try and take
those deep breaths and bring yourself back to that piece that you were able to find to bring
yourself here, because that's what's going to keep you going and keep you strong. So all the
power to you, girl. Oh my gosh, Malabee, MVP. Thank you for your kind words and for also seeing me and feeling me and
it it is exhausting but I'm I will not stop until this whole situation changes I it just can't I
won't um and you're absolutely right so if there is anybody um that is entering into the music
industry um or creative space um you hear it here first uh the the people at the top of the food
chain such as your lucian grange and your simon cowell and all the rest of them um they don't see people they see profit and the way that the industry is
going as we all know is digital as the rest of life is absolutely and what mala be and i don't
want to paraphrase or speak on or put words in your mouth but um so correct me if I'm I'm wrong here but I don't believe so but
um people these companies will sign young and vulnerable and impressionable and excitable
new upcoming talent and artists just to strip you of your AI rights so that they can then own your voice or your lyrics or
even if it's one song that you've written, they'll sign you for that and then they'll break it apart.
And this is why when Simon Carroll put together this stupid thing called stems on TikTok with Salvin Kotecha and Max Martin on TikTok.
They were like, oh, yeah, join this challenge in this competition.
It was the biggest load of BS because they would then own the rights to your stems or to.
OK, so what a stem is just in in brief when
somebody writes a song say for example with a guitar and they've written the lyrics and they
record it or a piano you record it but each instrument goes on a different track and that's them and with the now um increase of ai music for example and the same goes with acting and this is
what happened in hollywood and the hollywood studios as well is with the extras or background
actors is once you've been in one background they don't need you anymore because unfortunately
you'd signed away without realizing because they don't offer
independent legal advice you'd signed away your rights to be used in any which way shape or form
however they wish in any which way um so you will not be paid any royalties or appearances or or anything, um, because they then now own it. So, um, it is incredibly disturbing and quite
frankly, unfair. And it also highlights, um, the corruption of the imbalance of power.
Um, and an imbalance of power means if somebody like Diddy, you know, or Weinstein, or Cowell, or Walliams,
they are in a position of power because they are, quote, influential. And like Melody was saying,
people, they don't have to be this evil, wicked old witch that looks obvious, they will approach in such a way that will
blindside you. So anyone that is in this industry, please, please keep your wits about you. If you're
not sure, then take a pause, ask questions. I'm here. My inbox is always open. I'm currently building my platform, OWHL, OWL, which will be able to safeguard each and everyone in this industry, providing real-time safety panic button solutions and anonymous reporting mechanisms.
But whilst that's being built, please, I beg of everyone, have your wits about you.
But it gets dark because these people, and they said this to me, to the One Direction boys, they said this to all of us.
Well, if you don't sign it, we'll find somebody else that will.
And they put you on the spot.
And it's awful.
It is just the most crooked and corrupt industry ever. And what happens behind
the scenes, and again, with your Epsteins and your Weinsteins and your ditties and so on and so forth,
the crisis PR people spin a narrative so much so to deflect, distract, and deter,
to deflect, distract, and deter, to be like, look over here, look over here, so that they can play
with such evidence or narratives and completely flip a script, which is so frustrating because
unfortunately there's still people out there, which, you know, I get, that believe what they read,
but that's not the case at all. Um, and also what's
so gross is that these crisis PR people make money off of it. They make money off of the victims
because they befriend the victims and get them to open up about everything. And then they sell
the stories in and it's disgusting. I know.
But thank you so much, Maliby.
Please stay up here and Orny and Kay Fitz and Stacey.
I know we've got Becky and Bal.
Was it Bal next and then Becky?
Yeah.
Hello.
And I read your earlier post, Katie. So I was aware that something big was about to drop, and now hearing this, I understand the gravity of the situation. people were saying just before so uh thank you and i understand also that this is very pressing
uh and urgent and very real to you um a very real issue to you and it's urgent so i share your anger
um so you said something before i do have a question I'd like to raise ask you but and you have the floor obviously here
But yeah, you said before
Keely hiding behind polish narratives while lying
So I think that's very key because you know when when you said Simon Cowell before
I absolutely I knew there was some ne nefarious activity i think you know with
women i've heard about that but i didn't know the seriousness of this until just now so and then you
know obviously uh this melissa character um posed as a friend who who's backstabbed you so um yeah um, yeah, Simon Cowell, Melissa, the demons here, but, um, yeah, so the devils, the devils that,
uh, that are out there as you, um, as you said, you know, with that woman, Melissa,
who was managing you, these devils are not just men. It's a whole system.
These devils are not just men. It's a whole system
Sorry, yeah, these devils are out there. It's a whole system. So, uh, it's a cabal
with
With many arms controlled financially or whatever
But uh, yeah, and I hate that shit rules for fee and not for but not for me
um, but my question is at what point during your attempt to get police
involved like yeah that's my question so at what point during you know when you were attempting to
get police involved was there like a barrier that was put up if you understand what i'm on
i do and thank you ball and i and I really appreciate you sharing your feedback,
and I have goosebumps.
I really, really do.
So when I reported my sexual assault in 2021,
that's when Melissa was over in L.A.
I was back here in the U.K. and London,
and I'd still been silenced by her and I
kick myself now from a meta perspective. I'm like, oh man, why didn't you see it? Why didn't you see
it? But I was in such a long story and Simon Cowell's team had put myself and others through
neuro-linguistic programming, of which I have this evidence of, to keep our mouths shut.
So when I reported it to the police,
they had to put it through Interpol to go to the West Hollywood Sheriff's Department.
And at that very point, I'm like, okay, I trust the system.
Let's go.
And it wasn't until um because at that point I had contacted a law firm
here in the UK um because I was so frightened that what happened to me in 2010 from a media
standpoint would happen again uh I contacted a law firm to say, oh, can I speak to somebody in reputation management?
And I explained what happened. And so they put me through to two amazing lawyers in the criminal and personal injury team from the standpoint of sexual assault.
They had informed me that Simon Cowell had then onboarded, or I already knew Cowell's lawyers, which were Carter Rock, Nigel Tate and Persona Fee Bridgman Barker.
I'm exhausted with them and very disappointed from a legal standpoint.
onboarded Mishkondorea from their criminal team and kept saying, and I have all of these legal
letters, I kept saying, oh, well, we will help in this investigation. And I didn't want to give
any information away because they kept asking who I was speaking to, what detective I was talking to
at the West Hollywood Sheriff's Department. And my case in West Hollywood went missing
on four separate occasions. And don't forget, I was over here in the UK, calling via Skype
every single day to be like, what's going on? What's going on? What's going on?
Is it all my case has gone missing? They didn't have the certain numbers. And ever since Cal's lawyers had said, oh, yeah, well, who are you speaking to out there?
It is dirty.
It is dodgy.
It is wrong.
And this is when also at the same time, I was so shocked, to be very frank, that I even got into law school and I was offered a scholarship, which was incredible.
And I was so grateful because I don't trust anybody, to be frank.
And this is when I started to talk to people in government here in the UK.
And I would turn up in their offices.
At the time, it was Oliver Dowden, who was the secretary of State for the DCMS, which covers this industry.
And I would turn up with like a black sack full of files.
And I'm like, here is my evidence, because I'm like, you've got to see it.
You've got to do something.
And I was met with, well, I can't be seen to have an opinion either way, you know,
but I'm going to set up a roundtable to create some body uh blah blah blah but respect
to oliver dowden shout out oliver dowden he's a good man um but didn't do what he should have
done then as i was studying law obviously we go through criminal public, companies, so on and so forth, the more I learned and understood and
would print out, like, for example, the criminal acts, and then cross-reference it with my evidence,
I would then call my local police and say, excuse me, please, there is a potential situation when
it comes to human trafficking and modern-day slavery. Please, can you come here and see my evidence and investigate this?
So then they would turn up and I had this one stupid ass investigator.
And he looked at me and he said, verbatim, and I have this on video because I had internal and external CCTV.
I don't need to see your evidence, Katie, because I watched you on TV every Saturday night.
Yeah, for real life, Kate Fitz, for real life.
And I was hyperventilating.
How can you say that?
Here is the criminal act.
Here's the human rights act.
Here is all of my evidence.
Why won't you listen?
Why won't you investigate this?
He said, because you're on TV.
He said, I don't need to see your evidence, Katie,
because I watched you on TV every Saturday night
and what you went through wasn't that.
And he refused to see my evidence for real life.
That was actually investigated internally with the police force.
force. So then if we move forward, because that wasn't my one and done, I then filed, um, what
So then if we move forward, because that wasn't my one and done,
they call, uh, what is it? An NRM form. Um, uh, you know, to disclose all of my evidence, bear in
mind, I'm a single mom with full custody of my baby who was only an itty bitty one at the time.
who was only an itty bitty one at the time.
He's only six.
He'll be seven soon.
Plus navigating law and this lockdown and COVID and petrified.
But I'm like, no, I'm not going to stop.
This has to be investigated.
Then I get a phone call from a law firm,
a friend who introduced me to this law firm about the phone hacking and private investigators.
So you might be familiar with like Prince Harry and Hugh Grant and all these people that say they have their phone hack.
And then God rest her soul, Millieie dowler god bless her and rest her
soul um who was just oh my god it's awful so long story cut short i had lawyers investigating this
and then all of the evidence came back to me that dan wotton is one of them and i don't give
two craps i'll share this on the live space dan wotton is one of them and I don't give two craps I'll share this on the live space Dan Woodson is one of them
but these newspapers hacked my phone put private investigators on me this is so disturbing and
effed up and uh sold my information to newspapers um all in in order to basically write a story in which they had no right to write.
So then I called the police back and I said, here's my further evidence. Look, my phone's
been hacked. I had private investigators on me. I had my contract purchased for $250,000.
I was trafficked from LA to London. I was held against my will. I had all of my songwrites
withheld. I had all my money withheld. Why can't you see that this is a criminal offense?
And they just looked at me blankly. I didn't even know what to do with it. And I'm like this is it and it just gets so debilitating and exhausting because
you know I just what can I do I I wrote to the secretary of state um of uh not secretary of
state that the home office like security, because there's people
of the general public that are being affected and impacted on this. I wrote to the data
commissioner to inquire about where all of these television shows hold their data and who they're
giving the information to of young and vulnerable and even minors, FYI, too. And we've heard the story about Disney and how
there were minors involved and that people from Disney would contact them and pretend
that there was this like elaborate Disney camp going on on some weird island. And the parents
were like, oh, that's amazing. Yay. And shipped their kids off and the worst of the worst would happen it's awful so i have done
everything i can and i don't know why i don't know well i do know why is because the entertainment
industry is one of the biggest donors in politics and government both uk and usa
um and they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.
The whole thing is disgusting.
I hope that answers your question, Paul.
Yeah, so as soon as you touch the entertainment industry,
like it just gets shot right back.
And are you saying when they wrote this story,
they like destroyed your reputation with your story,
with this false story?
What false story?
So they wrote a story they shouldn't have about you,
that they had no right to write about you, you said?
No, no, no, they didn't write any story about me at all.
No, they hacked into my phone, and in terms of the phone hacking,
it's like there are HIPAA laws. So in terms of, um, medical privacy and so on and so forth, it was completely breached because private and personal information was gathered unlawfully and her sister, they pretty much, I don't know why I'm laughing.
If I don't laugh, I will just crumble.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
Do you know what I mean?
They will put, okay, so some might be familiar with the names Simon Jones,
Sam Wooten, Anne-Marie Sampson, so on and so forth.
So Melissa and Elsa Zatara, along with the others,
they unfortunately would threaten, but without threatening,
journalists and other publicists if you print this story I won't give you anything on my client ever again or please print this story and I will give you x y
and z then they'll give them the story and charge them extra so how did these people get my telephone number well
that's pretty obvious you know oh hi melissa thanks for giving my number out to people
all of this is documented in my evidence in my files not only upstairs in my office but digitally
and if anyone's listening that's like i'm gonna get those files. It's too late because they're everywhere. There were different lawyers scattered around all over town.
And,
yeah,
sorry.
Yeah.
I mean,
I hate Melissa.
First of all,
obvious.
yeah,
I'm so,
I'm so sorry.
And,
yeah,
if I may just please,
while you've got this space going,
go into depth,
please about this Melissa character, because I'm interested in hearing about her actions but yeah I'm also interested in just how it shot down immediately as
soon as you touch the end anything with the entertainment industry it's just
shot down immediately no criminal investigation yeah nothing which is wild um especially after studying law and having as
much evidence that i do have um it's quite frightening um but again it just shows that
we're in a bit of a no man's land at the moment um of the transition between
you know jurassic and then what needs to be done for the people now
and future generations. When, oh, sorry, I clicked me. When it comes to Melissa, it,
to be very frank and honest, it's such a heavy, and it still hurts my heart. I dream about her often. It does hurt my heart. She
was like a sister to me, and I never knew of her involvement in any of these things.
It perhaps may be best for a different space at a different time.
a different space at a different time.
But it just further proves and shows that, you know,
she's now embroiled in a lawsuit because Blake Lively is suing her
and her company, if that makes sense um there's so much but there's so much underneath the surface
that again I remember when we were both in New York and I remember that she'd put Hope Hicks
with Donald Trump and they were the first time and then they were talking about the inauguration.
But I was so lost in my own world.
Like 99% of the time, I barely would listen.
However, there was a 1% of the time that I did.
But I didn't understand it.
But her job was to keep everybody squeaky clean oftentimes you'll find
people uh in very astute positions of power um being heavily involved in charities and that again
is her words on mine but um to to show the public that you're a do-gooder,
and it almost covers up the not-so-good that one does behind the scenes.
It's really bad.
I think that what's even worse is that Melissa was the first person I called
when I got in that taxi after I was sexually assaulted and and I'm not just talking like oh I'm sexually no I was
freaking sexually assaulted and it's awful it is awful and I got in that cab and I called her and I told her everything.
And she said, these things happen.
And I was just such a shell of myself because of what Cal and Co had put me through and her.
I had been manipulated to believe that what she said was verbatim.
I mean, even my parents would go on record and be like,
what the fuck happened?
Because I was conditioned to not trust anybody.
And so the fact that I called her and I told her that and this excuse my language but this piece of shit bitch went in the press and spoke on behalf of my perpetrator and the company
and defended them
it just goes to show the type of people that are in that industry. They don't give two craps. All
they care about is money. And you know what? Most of them are parents, which is awful because God
helped their kids. God helped their kids. You know what I'm saying? It is gross. I remember
when Melissa called me and she's like, I've got Kanye West on the phone and he's begging me to help him with this crisis.
I have all of this shit on my laptop.
This person is involved with everybody.
And that's why I'm like, oh, man.
Yeah, I understand government and politics and so on and so forth.
But how is it that we hear about all of this crap?
It's because people like her either put it out or they stop it.
And they make money off of every time they do that.
It's so gross.
I hope that answers your question, Paul.
Yes, thank you.
Yeah, controlled financially. But yeah yeah this is so disheartening and
dreadful to hear you know it's something that you know your musical career that
something positive and it's just turned to dread
yeah i and i appreciate you you sharing that because it's something that um you know like I said I'm still in PTSD therapy with
the with all of this but um and I kick myself because I'm like I wish I wish I wasn't I wish
that it didn't affect or impact me the way that it does but music is all that I ever knew um it
was a promise I made to my late grandfather.
Like, that's all I had.
And in 2009, before any of this happened, I was on such an incredible path.
And, you know, who's to say what would happen or what wouldn't happen?
But I was never given an opportunity for it to pan out organically. And it got stolen from me.
And I did not, to be very frank and transparent like
i still feel like i'm stuck as that 24 year old and i i struggle with my here you go bubby identity
can i have a big fat smoochie okay i just want to say um. I don't want you to think that way of yourself.
You're very brave that these people absolutely prayed.
They always pray on older teens and young adults.
I am a mom of older teens and young adults.
And let me tell you, they're weak and they're vulnerable, not because of anything they did or should be or shouldn't be.
They don't have life experience.
They don't have sexual experience like an adult would.
They're easy to silence.
They're easy to manipulate.
And you don't have that confidence to say, wait, this doesn't make sense.
this doesn't make sense. And you always, always are going to still feel like a child, even though
you're, you know, five, six years. And that's why they pray on you away from being 18. They always
are going to make you feel like it's your fault. You should have known better. You should have done
better. But like you said, some of these prayers are parents. And when you know young adults of this age, they are so vulnerable.
So many sexual acts against young adults are done because they can just say they were of age.
And so please don't ever, ever feel that about yourself.
It was done on purpose.
It was done maliciously. It's insidious. And
it's absolutely done on purpose to that age range.
Thank you, Becky. I'm a mom to a young son. He's six, almost seven. And I'm petrified.
six, almost seven. And I'm petrified. I'm petrified for him because nothing has changed yet.
I'm petrified for all of our kids and the next generations that are coming up and coming through
because unless something changes, it won't. And the same goes with the whole Epstein thing. People
keep saying, oh, release the files, release the files.
And I keep then saying, and then what?
What are you going to do with the files?
What are you going to do with the evidence?
Who's going to stand up and hold these people accountable and put the motherfuckers in jail?
Excuse my language.
Do you know what I mean?
Release the files to jail these people.
jail these people. It is just, it's prolonging an awful, awful, excruciating pain for so many people.
But that is what I don't understand currently about whether you're in the US or the UK or wherever you are in the world, why the heck they won't put these people in jail.
But I get it because it's the chicken and the egg.
They are funded by the same people.
But hang on a minute.
How do we make this stop?
How do we make it stop?
I don't.
Like, I get it, but I don't get it like it has to
stop awareness that's what you're doing we have to let more young people know more parents know
i mean everybody knows that if your kid gets into a car wreck or gets in a hit and run or
drives drunk between the ages of 18 and 25,
it's going to ruin their life. And people are so careful about that, but nobody is sexually
careful over what their children are going to experience. I have two kids going to college
and we've had all kinds of scary talks because I just want to prepare them for what can happen.
talks because I just want to prepare them for what can happen. Drinks can get drugged. I mean,
it's a very vulnerable age. And I just don't feel like if this happens to you,
you're strong enough or adult enough to realize it like you for several years, a decade later.
And when you have authority figures in your life, not believe you, silence you, tell you to be quiet,
you're way more likely to listen to that. And like you did it, I mean, it's a perfect setup
for them. They're predators. And we just have to make more parents, more young people aware
of when you want to be famous, somebody's going to fund that for you.
And whoever funds you owns you.
Oh, my great goodness.
Go ahead.
I just want to remind everyone there's about 200 people in the space and we only have about 55 signatures on the petition.
It's not about supporting Katie.
It's about standing up for what's right and what needs to be exposed.
So if you do support it, it's pinned up on the Jumbotron above.
I'll actually bring it to the front one more time.
Go sign it.
You can do it anonymously as well.
You don't have to put your information in.
You don't have to put your real information in or anything like that.
But definitely, if you want to stand against this and you want the truth to come out, go and sign it.
Oh, wow. that but definitely if you want to stand against this and you want the truth to come out go and sign it oh wow Arnie thank you so so much for that I um I invited you to co-host oh yay you are now a co-host of this space um and Kay Fitz I also wanted to say I'll make you a co-host too
because you were ever so kind as to offer to do such and um and so I've
just sent that over to you and yes please um expose really will expose everything all of the
information that I have all of the evidence that I have all of the subject access requests contracts uh everything will be in there for you to do with
what you wish i'm not here to tell you how to think or feel but i'm here to give it to you straight
um but it is incredibly important for uh the for the big wide world to to back it because if i was to just put this out just
digitally i know how these people work i know i factually i know they have bot farms i know that
they shadow ban and they have an opportunity to quash it. Yet we are all here to set a precedent to say, actually, no, here are the facts, period.
And it has every right to be out there.
You know, just because somebody doesn't want it to be out there, it doesn't matter.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck.
And then everybody has the right to form their own opinion on anything but it's my responsibility and it's my
duty to put everything out there in context and factually and explain how this all entwines
and I begged I even messaged I messaged so many people to say, here, I have evidence
if this will help you in your current case, please just have this.
And, and it gets overlooked.
And, uh, without sounding like an absolute fruit loop, unfortunately, I mean, it's even
stated on Simon Cowell's lawyer's website that they control the SEO of Google, basically, which is gross.
They should be in freaking jail.
Simon Cowell should actually be in jail.
And so should the person, more obviously, that did what they did to me.
person, more obviously, that did what they did to me. And so should the other people that have
done horrific things to other people. They should absolutely be in jail. And I beg to ask, why are
they not? And it's awful. And I'm hoping that through the release of Exposed, that it will put pressure on those in positions of power
to put these people in jail,
because it's out there then.
They have nowhere to hide.
Do you know what I mean?
So, AJ, you've been ever so patient,
and thank you so, so much for being up here.
Please, please go ahead.
Hey, cheers, Katie. It's been great to hear your really eye-opening story, and it's shocking.
It definitely gave me a different opinion on Simon Cowell. I just have a gut feeling nothing's
going to be done unless we the people, I mean in America we have this expression of a citizen's
arrest I don't know if you have the same concept in the UK but I mean these people they actively
broke the law they're still at large so to speak and I have a feeling it's going to take a bit of
a revolution where you know a group of people is going to have to say hey there's that celebrity
that you know that I don't know Kevin Kevin Spacey or someone, you know,
well, let's, let's go get them, just arrest them.
And you have a group of people pounce on these corrupt politicians and corrupt
whoever they are. I mean, me personally,
I worked in the entertainment industry at Hollywood and SAG after a few years,
I don't do that anymore. I, I heard about a few things.
I was never involved in anything,
thankfully. And I was going to say, we did have this crazy scandal out here with a documentary
filmmaker named Amy Berg, B-E-R-G. She wanted to make her documentary called An Open Secret,
like Hollywood's pedophilia program. Unfortunately, she, she had like a surreptitious recording.
So the guy was, didn't know he was being recorded,
but he was the head of the children's division of SAG-AFTRA at the time.
And he confessed that he was, you know,
touching a boy inappropriately in a bedroom situation.
So they had that on camera and that was going to go in the documentary.
Yeah. And like the, I was trying to help her with her premiere.
And then the day before the, it was going to go in the documentary. Yeah. And I was trying to help her with her premiere. And then the day before it was going to go to a premiere, like a small theater in Hollywood, SAG-AFTRA got wind of it.
A guy named David White, actually a black guy named David White, was currently the head of SAG-AFTRA.
And he threatened to sue Amy Berg if she didn't postpone her documentary and re-edit the film Just because it's a surreptitious recording
So I've seen a little bit of this
Jesus Christ
I'm so sorry AJ
No keep going
Don't mute your mic
I am just infuriated
Yeah
So I was pissed off
I mean I went to the SAG-AFTRA offices
At 57-57 Wilshire by myself
And I'm like
I actually had a Facebook chat with some other actors.
I'm like, is anyone else pissed off about this?
And like 50 people.
I'm like, who's going to go to SAG-AFTRA with me?
Zero people.
So I went by myself and I went to the top floor.
And I'm like, I want to have a meeting with David White.
And they're like, nope, you can't see him.
And like three secretaries blocking the door.
And he's buying these giant double doors.
Anyways, really hard to access the guy.
So I never had a meeting with him.
But I think that's why we got to get to the point where you need groups of people angry enough to do a citizen's arrest.
But I wanted to ask you if you could enlighten us.
It's another sad story.
But can you tell us more details if you know anything?
Like what the hell is going on with Miss Britney Spears?
She looks like she's being held hostage somehow.
Oh, my gosh.
I wish I had all of the answers for you.
I don't, unfortunately.
And before I go into that a little bit more, AJ, I really, really appreciate you sharing.
to that a little bit more aj i really really appreciate you sharing and uh i want to turn up
at this man's office with you and be like excuse me what is going on unfortunately fear is very real
and i understand it and i respect it and when people are still in the industry they don't want
to be blacklisted because that happens unfortunately I'm not in that
industry anymore um so I'll but even if I were to be like no I have to shout out and demand answers
and it is tremendously frightening that there are such sickos out there. Oh, I feel a lot. I literally feel sick
that think that that's okay behavior. And it is not. But then I beg to ask, okay, so I also lived
in LA, but why aren't LAPD investigating this? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, AJ, you and I,
we go and bang on that door and be like, yo, bro, we want answers.
But the truth of the matter is there are allegations of criminal offences
that have been committed.
So why aren't the police investigating it?
Well, because they're paid off by these mother truckers
and it's disgusting and that's got to stop.
It's absolutely got to.
Yeah.
I was going to say with the LAPD,
my dad was selling real estate in Los Angeles at the time when OJ Simpson
thing was happening.
And he just so happened to be showing the house on the street where OJ and
Nicole have their home.
I'm not making this up.
And he was taking a nap in his car.
And all of a sudden he hears all these police vehicles pull up in front of OJ's house.
And they were just, they were going in there to plant the evidence.
Like, you can be sure the LAPD is not going to help with these kinds of things.
But that's wrong.
That's terrible.
And then I beg to question, okay, well, then who's in charge of the LAPD?
Who's in charge with the criminal justice system?
Who's in charge of all this?
Why aren't they investigating this?
What the hell are they doing?
Why are we paying our taxes then if people can't do their job?
Sorry.
You know, what the ick is happening. And I, I just can't sit with it because if there is
enough evidence, and again, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck,
it's a duck. So it's, it's very evident that clearly there is manipulation and coercion behind the scenes. Is there going to have to be
like a people's revolution? Maybe. And I'm not against that. I'm like for the people, by the
people, we the people, to be frank, because everybody that I have tried to be reliant upon
and to do their job have failed the system and young vulnerable people,
not to make it political, but that's just fact. And it's just like,
if you're not going to do it, I'd rather have known than to put myself through that emotional
turmoil of mustering the courage and strength to report what happened, you know?
But I very much appreciate your share, AJ, very, very much so.
And also I appreciate everybody signing the petition.
Could I share one last thing?
Absolutely.
All right, this is an actionable step,
but probably a lot of people haven't heard about.
So I did direct political talk shows for five years on public channels in Santa Maria, California, SMC TV 25 channels 25. And so the host of the show contacted me the other day and he's like, get this book, just order. It's a $20 copy or I found a free PDF, but I have the hard copy. It's called the hidden fourth branch by
Kelly Mordecai. And I, here in the States, we have the system called, I'll keep this really
brief, but you can look it up. It's called the grand jury system where you can indict criminals
in your government or politics or Hollywood, whatever. Um, and this actually worked, um,
they, in chapter one, they show you a newspaper clipping of a pedophilia ring that got taken down
using this grand jury system. And so basically, if you have 11 other people, right, 12 people,
you go to your local court, you file an indictment. If you're low income, you can probably get a fee
waiver. But this is assuming you've got evidence and testimony and witnesses and questions to ask
when you indict someone, you bring them to court. you can, you can question them and put them on trial basically. So you could do this for Fauci,
right? Fauci would be an easy one, right? He lied under oath to Congress, but like,
why is our government not doing it? Do we, the people need to do this? But the point is
the, the, the, they really, this really works. They took down and it was called Siskiyou County,
the northernmost county of California. And this was decades ago, but the newspaper clippings there in chapter one of this book called The Hidden Fourth
Branch. It was called The 40 Thieves, The 40 Thieves of Siskiyou County, pedophilia ring. I
think there was a cop involved and there might've been like a judge that was involved with it. There
were definitely two notable individuals that were a part of this pedophilia ring. And they,
the whole community was aware of it because it had been going on for so long.
And a lot of angry parents,
they did this grand jury indictment
and they destroyed it.
They broke up the pedophilia ring.
So this can be done.
The book again is by Kelly Mordecai.
It's called The Hidden Fourth Branch.
And that's also kind of dependent
that your local sheriff is not corrupt
because your local sheriff has a duty to go and arrest this named individual when you file the indictment against them.
So if your local sheriff is corrupt, then you're looking at doing a citizen's arrest.
There you go. Good luck.
Holy cow. Wow. Thank you so, so much.
Wow. Thank you so, so much. Um, just to kind of reset this, oh wow, AJ, like you absolutely,
you're a very good human being. Um, thank you everybody for staying on and being part of the
space and also resharing and reposting the petition for my book exposed. Um, a shout out
to Orni and Kay Fitz. I'm going to go to the co-host see if they got any uh anything
else and becky i love you all the world um orney k fits let me know if um you've got anything to
share and then we'll go right over to steven i just can't commend you enough like you you know
even just talking about it i can only imagine how difficult it is and the way you're talking about
it the way you're you know holding your holding your about it, I can only imagine how difficult it is. And the way you're talking about it, the way you're, you know, holding your, holding your ground and everything,
it's just incredible. And, uh, you know, you're absolutely like super, super brave to be doing
this. And, you know, obviously not, even if nothing comes out of it, the fact that you
are able to come out and share and actually, you know, speak the truth is what matters the most so you know like
seriously props to you thank you i love you too my friend absolute inspiration i mean absolute
inspiration yeah donnie said it great thank you my love thank you i really appreciate that. I feel like I've gone beetroot red because I...
I'm just... I am. I've just...
I love your sense of humor. You power through things with this audacious, amazing sense of humor and laughter.
And if we can kind of laugh with it, we can kind of laugh through it and just keep pushing together.
I just love that about you so much.'re the best yeah yeah can i ask you guys just to carry this conversation on just a
quick couple of seconds because my little one uh is a little bit upset for a second and i'm just
going to navigate this um just please carry on the conversation one sec and I'll be oops I'll be right there yeah no worries um so yeah I thought it also
was great that she set up this community um the owl community so people can kind of band together
I'm sure it's a little daunting for people getting into the music industry to kind of figure out how to navigate things.
And something that came up for me while Katie was talking is there's a lot of narcissistic relationships as well that people get into,
that there's these patterns of kind of isolation and there's kind of these red flags that, you know,
if you're going into being a musician, I would definitely join that community. I would share in that community
and just share in the effort as you push forward to, for Katie, to help Katie. And I'm so excited
to see the full book come out. It's, you know, the more that you pull on the threads of a sweater,
the more that it all unravels. And we have a
unique time right now where I do feel like things are unraveling even more. And so if there's other
people that are in the audience that have been kind of scared to speak up or scared to kind of
come forward, you know, know that you're not alone and definitely join that community and at whatever speed you feel comfortable,
you know, take great example from Katie and gather your evidence at your pace. And
don't be afraid to start pulling on that sweater because again, you're not alone. You're not alone.
Yeah. And we are at 86 signatures on the petition so far. So if you haven't still haven't
done it and you want to like obviously no pressure, but if you want to, it's pinned right up top. It's
the first post on the Jumbotron. And again, like you can be anonymous and just sign it if you are,
yeah, if you, it's not even about supporting Katieie it's about just the truth getting some sort of a
spotlight thank you so much guys for for holding the fort down uh sorry um and also for all of the
incredible things that you have all said i truly appreciate that please make sure that you follow
everybody that's currently on the speaker panel but also listening in um we are all on this pathway and journey uh to right such significant wrongs
that are currently happening and this is an incredible community to be a part of and i'm
grateful for everybody that's in in this room absolutely um steven go ahead you've got your
hands up sure thank you katie are you open to a lou perlman story or two oh wow lou perlman yes Okay, so in the 90s, I was working for Planet Hollywood. And it was every celebrity that came through Florida came through Planet Hollywood in those days. When Luke came in, he brought in a group of guys, and we all knew that he was working with boy bands. There were some people from Transatlantic that left Planet, went into hospitality.
And so he was kind of calm.
And I was talking at the host stand to a kid with these curly locks, blonde.
He was super clean.
And we were just chatting away while the rest of the kids went upstairs with Lou.
chatting away while the rest of the kids went upstairs with Lou. A couple minutes in our
conversation, there's just screaming girls. I mean, we were down on the first floor. You could
hear them just, ah. So the little blonde guy I'm chatting with, he says, oh, they must be from Germany. We just broke Germany.
So which group are you in?
So it's called NSYNC.
My name's Justin. Good to meet you. I'm Steve.
So flash forward a little bit, maybe a couple of years later,
I see his mom on TV or one of the guys' mom on TV.
They're like, yeah, we were wondering where all the money went.
The kids were selling out stadiums across the globe, Europe, the United States.
Europe, the United States, and we approached Lou, and Lou wrote each of the kids a check for $65,000.
So for their first 18 months of touring, I'm trying to think of, I can't remember which song broke, but I Want You Back, I think.
They made $65,000 for selling out stadiums across the world.
So there's some suspicion going on now.
Now, how Lou remained bulletproof through all of this,
this is kind of interesting.
Flash forward years later at Seasons 52 on Sand Lake Road.
Lou comes in with this little old woman on a triangular walker.
And it's kind of dark in the restaurant.
She's walking her way to the table.
And she's bumping into the tables as we go to her table.
It's kind of dark in the restaurant.
I can't handle it.
And she looks up and she says, excuse me.
She bumps into another table again.
Excuse me.
And she's bumping everyone on her way back to Lou's table.
They finish their meal.
I'll back up. So I'm talking to Lou and this woman.
She's telling me some stories and I'm asking her some questions.
And finally, she leaves the restaurant.
They leave and they get in.
He had just purchased a baby blue Rolls Royce that he was very proud of.
And he would loan it to the kids and they'd go out and play in
it and you know whatever so after they walk out of the restaurant I go back to every one of those
tables along the walkway and I said um that, that's Art Garfunkel's mother.
So Aunt Rose was Lou Pearlman's aunt, also Art Garfunkel's mother.
And this was approximately a year and a half before Lou went to prison for what they called a pyramid scheme. He didn't have
any of the creepy sexual allegations come into play. None of the stealing the kids. I think it
was 98 Degrees Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, and there were a couple of others coming down through Atlantic Records,
all of them being robbed blind by Lou. He went to jail with 300 million in his account from
these fraudulent activities. And his PR play to try to get in good with the courts was to walk around with Art Garfunkel's mother, put on a good show.
And he wound up dying in prison, I think, about eight years later.
He was sentenced to 25 years.
They auctioned off everything in his house, and he died in prison.
He messaged me on Facebook from prison.
Aunt Rose says hi.
Don't believe the hype.
I'm doing fine.
And that was the last I heard of a man I thought was relatively a nice guy.
And it turns out he relatively wasn't.
I don't know what to say, to be frank.
I mean, when will this stop?
And I'm so sorry.
Oh, you know the song Bye Bye Bye?
Yes.
Okay, so that was originally written for a British band
who also might have been loose called Five, F-I-V-E.
But the kids from NSYNC said, no, no, no, no, we want that one.
We'll take that one.
And the part in the video where
they're cutting the strings and they're saying it ain't no lie baby bye bye bye that was when
they were cutting the strings from lou perlman and moving to different management um and i i
think chris kirkpatrick it was his business manager that i think kind of sort of got the band finances in order, but they wanted that song with the string cutting as a symbolic departure from Lou Pearlman.
I don't know, you know.
I hear what you're saying, but there's a part of me that,
even though there are artists that have their creative vision pushed through,
strategically so, which is amazing, to prove that point, what you're saying,
So, which is amazing to prove that point, what you're saying.
It's at a risk because they typically get punished for doing so.
I mean, it's so gross. There are so many incidents and situations,
and there are people that we've never heard of,
that we might ever hear of,
that have been victims of this type of behavior.
And it breaks my heart.
It truly does.
And that's why I really want to push forward with this book.
And I appreciate your share so much, Stephen.
And also your continued support and you being up here on Spaces and so on and so forth.
Given the time and everybody that's on here and still on here, you have been unbelievable.
What I am going to do is I'm going to pass this.
And I'm also happy to do a part two,
because it's a lot of information to share
and a lot of information to digest.
And I don't want to overload or bombard people with too much.
So maybe I'll do a part two next week um i think that might be beneficial
um but uh i see pigeon you have your hand up my love bug and then we'll go to the co-host and then
uh we can close this out but uh steven thank you so so much for your share
um okay i was wondering since we're speaking of
boy bands, is there anything that you can tell us
about the One Direction boys?
In relation to what?
Just, like, exposing the industry, maybe
what they went through
with, I don't know,
behind the scenes things that we didn't really
get to see or things we might be
speculating speculating about well I mean we've all signed the same contracts and so um
you know I've spoken about this publicly on multiple different spaces but um there are clauses in those contracts that we signed in 2010
that gives psychoentertainment the rights to sell that contract over to somebody else
but keep the terms of said contract as it stands
so it's not a renegotiable thing, it just like oh we can resell it on um but uh
we also then went through the same situation of non-independent legal advice
non-independent accountants non-independent uh doctors non-independent everything.
And so... And absolutely much condolences to your dear friend that you lost.
As you also met just tell everybody.
Um, but if you are still contracted or involved or are in a position like any of the One Direction boys that, uh, whose voice will carry worldwide, uh, there are certain people that don't want the truth to come out.
Are the contracts, like, extremely long term? Like, would they still be going on for years after today
yeah but the contract in itself is technically null and void because uh i wouldn't wipe my
tush with it the discrepancies in misrepresentation unfair terms and so on and so forth yeah uh it is just the most stupidest like
whoever wrote that from a legal standpoint uh should be embarrassed um it is really really
bad and i also in full transparency had a conversation with the law firm, Leon Thompson, and a former lawyer, but I won't doct him.
However, he was a junior lawyer at the time, but was also threatened by Cowan Co.
To put contracts in their favor. And he was fresh out of law school, God bless him. And
he doesn't work in law anymore because he was he was traumatized so it's not just the
people that are um you know in talent per se but there are people behind the scenes that have also
been threatened and coerced and manipulated into doing um you know, not very nice things in fear of losing their career,
if that makes sense.
And so unless somebody has turned around, unless the bubbles burst,
and, you know, this is why I love Zayn also.
Shout out, Zayn.
Zayn's been incredibly smart because he's kept his mouth shut, which he
shouldn't because he has every right to
disclose everything.
But it just makes sense
of why he hasn't because
it further but proves
that illusion is very real to
most people.
You know?
And that
breaks my heart and I want to shout that, because it's not fair.
Yeah, I really do hope we do a part two on this, I mean, this is really, really powerful,
so powerful, and your courage is just outstanding, I mean, I have chills. I just have absolute chills to think about going from all of that isolation and everybody, the chips all stacked up against you and to be able to, and so carefully and then go to law school and then really learn the rules and document the evidence and then be so brave to revisit this with a book with a young
child. I mean, having a young child alone is daunting, but then to have the perseverance and
to do everything that you've done, Katie, I just, I admire you so much, girl, and I love you so much.
I love you so much too, and you were the first person, legit, that was just like,
I love you so much too.
And you were the first person legit that was just like,
whoa, I'm right here.
And let me help you.
And I appreciate you so, so, so, so, so much.
And I'm talking about like when we were in Arnie and Chriselle's space
and I did my thing to Bob.
I messaged you and I said I was so grateful for your intent but um I just also
yeah I am a mom to a young son but that should also be further prove I would never in a gazillion
years ever be so silly to put us in a precarious position. My son is the reason behind every breath that I take.
I love him to the day I die, which please God will be never. I wouldn't say stuff
unless it had such weight behind it to put my son and myself in a precarious position. No way. No way.
And also one of the other reasons why I studied law, because I wanted to understand
what the hell was going on, why things weren't being investigated. I wanted to see the criminal
acts versus the civil acts, you know,
and the law and how it should be handled versus how it is currently handled.
So that these mother truckers cannot come at me and say,
you've been this, you've been that, you've been the other.
They can't because I've done my due diligence.
I want to be watertight, and that is what I am.
So, you know, of now the last couple of years of me being open
and speaking about things, either in the newspapers or, you know, online,
I'm not being defamatory.
Otherwise, I would have been faced with a defamation lawsuit,
which that would be so stupid to do, because otherwise I would then have to disclose all of my evidence in front of a judge,
and they just won't do it because they don't want it to come out,
which therefore comes me back full circle as to please sign this petition.
It would mean so much to both myself and even the 1D boys it discloses the full contracts
everything the house rules the everything um the emails that were sent between uh staff members and
so on and so forth like just everything needs to come out and then wash but it should be done and
rightfully so in the righteous way and um with your new book because man I am I am excited and
I'm excited for the book tour and I'm excited for the rollout and I'm really excited for the next
space too when are you When are you thinking?
You think a week from now?
Next Monday?
That's a great question and thank you, Kayfiz.
I think that
if we give it a couple of days
and then maybe
either
well let's do
same time next week.
And join the community. well, let's do same time next week. And we'll pick it up.
No, no, no.
And join the community.
Yeah, we'll post it there.
We'll get it ironed out.
Everybody join that community.
Sign that petition.
Thank you guys so much for being here today.
This was great. Thank you.
And Arnie and Kayfids, you being co-hosts,
and just honestly
I'm so moved
And what up Miss Lou and Gladriel and Eleanor
I'm taking a screenshot
So that you guys can be the first people
Up in the next space
But I've got, it's now 10 to 10
In the UK
It's a lot to digest, the space is recorded
Please re-share, re-post
And fight this good fight with all of us.
And I cannot thank you enough for being each and every one of yourselves.
It really moves me tremendously.
And for those that are not here with us anymore but are in the sky,
I'm, you know, I made them a promise.
And I do not fault on my promises ever, ever.
And I won't stop until the truth actually comes out.
So thank you all so much for being you, for being a part of this.
God bless each and every one of you.
Have a cup of tea, digest it.
It's a lot.
And my inbox is always open.
And until next week, take a breath.
Thank you so much all for being you.
Thank you, the co-hosts and everyone.
Thanks, Katie.
You are absolutely incredible.
Everyone, drop her a follow.
Make sure you turn her notifications on.
So whenever she decides to do the part two, you are there for it.
And again, just because we're ending the space doesn't mean you
can't come back and sign the petition. Obviously, you can bookmark the post if you wanted to take a
minute to make sure if you want to sign it or not, you can always come back to it. You can always
come back to the space and listen to the replay. And then, you know, obviously the Jumbotron is
available to you regardless. So thank you, Katie, for doing what you did. And, you know, it's incredibly, incredibly brave of you to actually be able to
share all this stuff. And even just writing about it, could not imagine what you must have been
through. And, you know, we love you. So love you guys, too. Thank you so much. Good night,
good night god bless and i will see you next time and don't worry i took a screenshot so miss lou
God bless. And I will see you next time. And don't worry, I took a screenshot. So Miss Lou,
gladriel eleanor you are first on the list for the next space that we do
orny and k fits you better be ready for co-hosting all right bye everyone god bless you bye
