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Fan Engagement, Social Behavior, and Web3: Why People Join Ecosystems
Recorded: Dec. 5, 2025 Duration: 1:06:18Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the evolving landscape of community engagement, emphasizing the importance of emotional connections and tangible incentives in driving participation. As projects increasingly focus on utility and partnerships, the conversation highlighted trends indicating a shift away from mere speculation towards meaningful community involvement.
Full Transcription
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But she seemed too much to let it go
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for our potential
let's break it down Keep that shit movin'
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GM, GM, guys, retweet this space.
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Packs full of hundred dollar bills
Walking past your wife and she can chill
All because her heart kept it real
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What up, Web3? What up, Gift Hors? What up, X? GM in the AM, good to see everybody rocking on a fabuloso fry yeah
we're back with an awesome space speaking about community fan engagement social behavior
and web3 why people are actually joining communities but before we get into it let's
say gm to give for us and see who's behind the account i think we got mo up in this oh mo how
you doing brother hey yo yo mo are you there bro
Hey, how's it going?
Not more though. Sports, can you hear me, brother?
I think we're having some technical issues with the space
uh hey uh no no uh i just i'm not mo my name is chris can you hear mo because i can't hear
the main account with gift force for some odd reason i've been trying to accept the co-host
here but we've been having some technical issues i think x is personally broken but
you guys can hear mo mo my bad brother i'm not too
sure what's happening i can't hear you but welcome to the space guys we're gonna speak
uh with sports value mart and really deep dive a little bit more into community and what it's
all about you know people aren't just buying based off of tokens and tickers anymore people are spending close attention and
actually caring about some emotional social uh some physical form assets and this is why
they're getting involved the gift horse community and ecosystem is vast system is vast and we're
going to see it's fast hey mode what's up can you hear me
Hey, Moe.
What's up?
Can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
Yes, finally.
GM, brother.
How you doing, man?
Damn, that was the start of the space.
15 minutes and all X is doing is drugging on us.
Honestly, I was having a great morning,
but right now I'm not even sure what's happening.
It's all right, brother.
It's all right.
Sometimes the plane has a little bumpy start with turbulence,
but I'm happy we got this kicked off
and more people will jump into the space.
I'm going to come up here and co-host it with you.
How you been, Moe?
Before we get this thing jumping man? Good morning
Happy Friday. We're in a new month the first Friday of the new month of December only 20 days till Christmas
Feels like the year's wrapping up really quick man. How you doing?
All is good. Honestly, I'm in this Christmas spirit already like I'm honestly having Abba in the background all the time
Like listening to the music getting some jazz and like getting myself into the Christmas spirit already. Like I'm honestly having ABBA in the background all the time, like listening to the music and getting some jazz in,
like getting myself into the Christmas spirit all at once.
Yeah.
I love December,
honestly,
but for some reason it's not snowing on my side.
It's been dry for some reason for the last like two weeks,
which is weird.
I'm used to snow by this time of the year,
but yeah,
all is great.
The community is expanding.
We've got a lot of stuff happening.
Literally, we're just on the AMA session telling the community,
like, next week is going to be peak in activity right now with Gift Horse.
So I'm really excited and really buzzing around what we should expect in December.
Dude, that's awesome.
I know a lot of projects are deciding to launch in the new year
and just before the new year starts.
And you guys have been building with the community for weeks and months now.
So things are really going to heat up.
And I'm excited to finally get this horse out of the stable and running the track.
But let's say what's up to all the community members here.
I see Soli, Tozart, Adrian, what up, Whale?
I see Sarah, lots of people, guys.
Retweet this space. Quote retweet it, drop a comment.
We're going to make sure everybody's max engaging today.
We definitely want you guys to be a part of the community.
You could always go to the Gift Horse page, and they have in their bio a community.
There's 300 strong, and we're only growing every single day so make sure you guys
go over there and show some support but i want to say good morning to value mart and really kick
off the space we're going to be here for an hour guys let's make sure we have some fun value how
are you brother hey my name is chris by the way so what's up baby my name is tony how you doing good good yeah i got invited by my community
managers his name is satoshi you can see him in the in the crowds so uh i don't know what to
expect but yeah it's a cool looks like a cool community um maybe you can say a few words about
spot value markets yeah definitely we're to ask you guys some questions.
We're going to go over GIF for us
and we'll ask you some questions a little bit
about what you guys are building as well.
I just gave you a follow, so hang out with us
and we'll definitely pop it off.
But like I was saying in the beginning,
people are joining communities and ecosystems, guys,
because it's more than just a token.
It's more than just a ticker these days
that narrative is passive it's now becoming a social community an ecosystem whether they're
getting tied in economically whether they're getting tied in emotionally there's reasons why
people are definitely joining tonight we're going to deep dive a little bit further we have a lot of
great people in here and I want to ask
you guys a few questions regarding your project, your community, but what do you
guys think overall in 2026 what communities or what types of ecosystems
do you think are really going to thrive? And we can start with Mo and then we'll
kick it over to you Sports Value Mart. Back to you Mo.
to you sports value mark back to you Mo I hope you can hear because I didn't
hear anything for the last two minutes again but I get it this oh no I heard
the last of it no we're just asking you basically yeah I got the question like
what we're gonna be expecting 2026 yeah what should we be looking for with give for us and then we'll kick it over to value and we hear what we're going to be expecting 2026. Yeah, what should we be looking for with GiveForrest?
And then we'll kick it over to value
and we'll hear what they're building as well.
Honestly, in my opinion,
like what I'm seeing with the markets
and all the buzz around everything,
I believe people are going to start to join stuff
that feel alive.
Not looking at charts or buzzwords or anything like that.
When something feels alive,
when a culture feels alive and connects people into a loop,
gives them a role for them to engage in
and have something connected to this new ecosystem,
they're gonna be getting connected.
That's why I'm seeing like emotion beats economics
every single time.
And in this era, in this, at this stage of the Web3 industry.
Can you guys hear me?
Yes, yes, we can hear you, Mo.
Yeah, I'm just saying like emotions are going to be beating economics.
I believe this, we are the stage where emotions are going to be taking over the economics
and from there, economics are going to figure themselves out. People will join when they see
they can be seen, they can be rewarded, it can be something much bigger than just a world address.
I believe 2026 is going to be allergic to fluff and it's going to be connected very much to
very much to emotions and feeling connected to a lot of stuff and feeling alive inside communities
emotions and feeling connected to a lot of stuff and feeling alive in certain communities.
great answer and i totally agree you know we really create the culture whether it's art
whether it's our language whether it's the way we transact and communicate with each other
i think that web3 and ecosystems have all that potential and people are only buying in to things that feel alive you said
it perfectly sports value mark what do you think we can expect from ecosystems in 2026 and maybe
you want to share a little bit about the ecosystem you guys are building and built as well
uh yeah so we we're building something slightly different. We want to create some utility to our tokens, so not just meme coins.
We are basically tokenizing football players, and we give them some utility, like financial utility.
When you hold a token of a player, you may expect some rewards, but those rewards are based on performance of a player whenever they play.
So when you trade those tokens that's emotion right but there there's some real utility behind uh this
kind of trying to create a market for performance uh so yeah we could say there's some sort of
prediction markets you know everybody's talking about prediction markets and prediction markets
bro yeah so prediction markets are pretty much
betting i mean that they try to say it's not betting but it's betting and it's quite gambling
as much as you want to say what it is call it gambling uh i mean of course the wider
have you been on polymart Some of it is a gamble.
It is a gamble. It's the biggest prediction market that we have right now.
I'm on top of this stuff.
My personal definition of gambling is when you don't, you know, nobody knows the outcome, right?
It doesn't depend on outcomes, whereas prediction market is linked to some real events.
So, yeah, it's like random. You don't know what's going to happen.
But it's not like throwing a dice. It's not like rou like roulette you know it's not like this type of pure gambling
games would you consider sports betting gambling no again there you go why the prediction right
there's stats no no he's right there's in a degree it is a form of gambling, but we're taking odds and predictions based off of objective stats, facts and history, which I think is very wise to do if you're going to invest or take a bet or a prediction.
But I definitely think that, especially what you said, ecosystems definitely have to tap into more utility and economics is definitely one of them.
So any type of financial reward is huge.
Absolutely.
So, yeah, we're essentially building a new type of prediction market
where you're not betting on a specific outcome.
You know, who's going to win the match, who's going to win the game.
It's more like what's the performance of a player over his lifetime so it's a long long term
you can almost see this as an investment right okay it's not an investment because
you know it's some sort of game but you're not actually investing and we're not actually
paying the players so you're not doing any deals
yeah to answer your question, you know, about 2026,
I think gaining utility is a big thing.
And even if you saw, I don't know, Chiliz, they offer fan tokens.
Now, I see they offer more and more.
I mean, they're trying to offer perks to whoever owns these tokens.
Great answer. Great answer.
Great answer.
I love that.
We're going to continue to move on, guys, and feel free to retweet the space and join the conversation.
Also, drop some comments.
If you got an answer to any of the questions, I definitely will read them out here aloud and share with you guys I think that a lot of people personally have been kind of burnt out in the speculative space when it comes to memes
That's just my opinion. It's a subjective question. I want to hear from you guys. Mo
What do you think you feel a little bit burnt out from some of these memes like a lot of them mood dang?
of these memes like a lot of them mood dang peanut there's so many of them a
giga chat all down 90 93 99 it's pretty embarrassing what do you think
I think most having some connectivity issues bro but that's all right sports value we'll start with
you brother uh yeah i mean i personally uh i've never quite understood the meme coins to be honest
i i tried to trade them uh made a lot of money
are you good at it are you good at it no Are you good at it?
And that's also why I'm building SportsValley,
because I want to give some utility in order to gain some understanding.
When you have a token, what's that token doing, right?
If it does nothing, I don't really understand how to trade it.
So that's my...
I like that take a lot.
I like that take a lot, because you take a lot because you're absolutely right it
becomes just speculation at that point now now there is a i have a very interesting take on me
on meme coins and maybe most people won't agree with me uh but i think the biggest uh in the most there is Bitcoin well I think if you're considering BTC and Satoshi's work to be a joke I think it's
far beyond that to be honest I think that doge is the biggest meme coin by market cap but it
also has a lot of utility it's mineable it's kind of forked from Bitcoin yeah there's now
it's mineable it's kind of forked from bitcoin yeah there's now there's now even uh meme coins
on dogecoin which is crazy there's also 404 nfts on dogecoin as well too which is crazy
so there's a lot of utility that's kind of baked into doge but i think that memes most memes have
no utility and are 100 speculation like you said and become very
difficult assets to trade to know when to get in no one to exit because everybody just has this
hopium that they continue to just spread amongst the community and then people get got people get
burned out there's people that buy the top all the fucking time have you lost money it sounds
like you have on memes i've lost money i've lost over thirty thousand dollars on memes there's no
chance i'm getting back into a to a card game a meme game that's just rigged and set up to lose so
i rather invest into projects that have a long-term sustainability. I'd rather invest into technology. I'd rather invest into the team or
the sentiment or the narrative that's building behind it because I see activity. I see conversations.
I see people in the Discord or Telegram or people meeting up in IRL. And those are the things that
I personally look for to validate some of the action that may happen on chain. And that's just
my very objective way
of looking at it people have different ways of viewing it interpreting it but i would love to
hear from mo i think we got him back up here mo have you been got or feel burned out by memes
i haven't i don't really like partake a lot of them i i do it sometimes for the laughs as a bet or something like that so it's not really a burn but when you said about memes going down 90 do you know what i saw today
on our on my on my exchange i saw luna going up 40 that's a fucking meme but yo it's crazy
i see luna going much higher i mean i'm not talking about i'm not talking back in the days i'm
talking when it crashed like i was a huge back in the day 120 luna holder bro and i sold the top bro
i i lost 250k on luna i'm sorry bro i lost 30 pounds my biggest. I've lost more in other things. Nah, Luna was my biggest loss. I was around like the six figure mark.
Damn, Mo. Fuck.
I was really invested into Luna. Right now it's a meme.
I'm saying like, I was like checking my exchange and I was like, Luna up 40%.
I was like, what the hell is happening? But yeah, like like in general that's what i'm looking at means
like for i look at them for the labs when they fall they fall but a couple like doge was something
extraordinary like they created a platform where i can't really call them like memes anymore they
have a lot of stuff around this token that makes it desirable because of the community correct
it's because it's a community it's not just a coin
though it's also a network so it's like it's like a bitcoin it's basically correct because it was
forked and doji's also in people's 401k which no other meme is which i think is pretty impressive
other than bitcoin as sports value mart said
bitcoin as sports value mart said i'm just joking it's not it's not a meme btc is definitely not a
meme but in all honesty i think that people are definitely getting into more of the prediction
markets and i think that sports fans and people that like to receive gifts or rewards also in web3 could correlate and i think that this could be
a huge opportunity some of the biggest collaborations polymart has done is the nba
and the nhl and if you're not seeing this and i've seen this eight nine weeks ago once they were at
token 2049 in singapore they had a huge presence and they didn't even have a booth they were at token 2049 in Singapore and they had a huge presence and they
didn't even have a booth they were just paying for all marketing and sponsoring
I saw that this was gonna be a big thing for web 3 as well too and the UFC also
did a collaboration with polymart as well do you think that we see more of it
more how do you think that the evolution of it and then I definitely want to hear
your take and
how you're building with uh sports value mart as well back to you mo yeah honestly if you look even
at the title of our space today fan engagement social behavior those two are like fundamentals
in terms of like the outlook into how people are getting into communities, into fan clubs, into sports, into communities on web3,
into cultures and all that. It's literally social behavior, how people get connected
and how rewarded they get. It's not always monetary gain. It can be rewarded something
emotionally, rewarded something in something that's basically a human instinct of connection.
something basically a human instinct of connection that's why like i already said like
the concept of feeling a part of something feeling that the community is alive and spreading and
like giving off a vibe that's actually you want to connect with it that's the future that we're
looking into right now that's why people are going to be joining ecosystems that's what we're looking into right now. That's why people are gonna be joining ecosystems. That's what we're trying to create with Gifts Horse,
a place where people can actually feel the generosity
that actually exists in the world.
When you like take all the negatives out,
there is a lot of good people,
a lot of generosity running around,
but with the hiccups and the transactions
and the headaches and all that jazz,
it makes it seem on the low end because of how difficult it is to actually accomplish.
And that's what the ecosystem around Gift Horse is trying to fix,
a place where you can actually be generals as much as your heart desires
without any constraints on yourself and the people around you.
You create a community yourself.
You have a community.
You can use our platform to make a safe space for people around you. You create a community yourself, you have a community, you can use our
platform to make a safe space for people to contribute. Maybe it's not something for yourself,
maybe something for the community in general, like a mini bank for example. That's what
Web3 gives us the opportunity to create, something that's actually connected to money,
but it doesn't have constraints of banks and legal stuff and like legislations and that
headache i love that answer and it all really revolves around the community the people that
are going to be there supporting building adding value to it like mo said it may not be something
that directly value values yourself but your community could definitely leverage and take a benefit from it a sports value what's your take and opinion on it as well too
because the whole space is about fan engagement and social behavior and i think that they're pillars
to the community
yeah i've seen uh for some reason uh a huge huge interest uh in terms of sports um and the fun engagement in crypto so
um there must be there must be something into it uh i don't know what it is but every time there is
a the conferences and events in crypto there's a lot of uh there's a lot of sponsorships with
sports i mean we don't necessarily exercise a lot i mean i don't know the cfn
the crypto fight week uh fight week uh promotion is happening right now and we have like three
four fighters of our friends i was supposed to be there but i decided to to stay in thailand and
just you know work on some visas and shit like that but dude i think
it's huge and i think it's only growing are you guys planning to incorporate other sports
do you guys have a unique system that you're building uh to measure performance or anything
specific to players because i know you said it's more of a long-term game with it yeah so essentially we we're using third party data
this data is typically used in fantasy sports i mean there's a lot of people playing fantasy
sports which is a similar type of game where we're taking this further is to create a kind
of trading experience because in fantasy sports, you essentially, you buy players
and you build virtual teams
and you collect points.
Whenever they play, you collect points,
which is very similar.
But here we extend that a bit further.
We tokenize the player
so you don't have to buy a whole player.
You can trade in and out anytime.
When you hold a when you when you hold
a token when you hold the player you you get points but when you say points in crypto uh
that means money right because any any token can be monetized so that's the that's the very simple
idea and yeah we can do any sports uh it's just about team capacity and our system allows
any sport really anyone anyone who plays anywhere you can get points I mean some games have points
by default like crickets I mean I don't know much about crickets but I know it's all about points so
I don't know much about cricket, but I know it's all about points.
So anyway, with a point system, you can rate whenever you can rank players.
It can work.
Mo, do you want to add anything or say anything?
No, honestly, I believe it's kind of straightforward.
Something actually new.
I remember there is fantasy football, for example, with the cars and all that jazz.
I thought it was something similar to that, but I'm saying it's a bit more complex.
Yeah, it's very similar.
Taking it further.
Yeah, exactly.
Like an upgrade, Fantasy Football 3.0.
And there's been a lot of people that tried and have done it successfully,
even with NFTs, to that degree as well, too, with Fantasy.
And I think it's pretty huge, the market,
and people don't really understand how big it actually is another
question i have for for the audience for you guys for our speakers and our panelists what do you
think is triggering the real attachments to the ecosystem i know we talked a little bit about
social engagement and fan engagement but is there anything deeper we started talking about ecosystems and utilities let's kick it off
with mo i can name i believe i can name four stuff recognition that actually sparks like loyalty
along the fans and the community members contribution that builds loyalty and identity
it makes someone actually part of the community and part of the ecosystem itself.
I'll add to it like ownership.
Everyone in crypto likes to talk about ownership
and the decentralization of everything.
But I would say in the community sense,
it's gonna be the cherry, not the cake itself.
It's the role that matters.
Like when you receive a role inside the community,
it makes you, it takes you apart from everyone else. It makes you even more role inside the community it makes you it takes you apart from everyone else
it makes you even more connected with the community and actually at the end of the day
the action of every user and how it triples through the ecosystem makes them actually come
to the decision of staying and creating a new attachment to the ecosystem in
general i would say those are the four main pillars in terms of triggers
i love those that those answers let's kick it over to sports value and then we'll speak to some
new speakers as well to get them involved in the conversation uh sports value what do you think i entirely agree
with mo i will add something else uh i think there's a there could be economic value right
uh i think now everybody's working remotely uh you know people uh and especially with ai uh there's
a lot of you know people losing their jobs and so on so on. So if people can earn a living from a community,
I mean, that's fantastic.
I think there are new opportunities there.
If you can be a fan,
it can be a member of a community,
but you can also earn a living.
That could be really, really interesting.
Great answer as well, too.
Earn some pass, some dividends. dividends not even dividends as long as the
outcome is income you know it makes some work you know as a as a ecosystem member i mean you can be
a kohl right it can be uh like uh do some jobs do some micro jobs or some uh you know especially
when we talk about dows uh down members can be can be paid i like that i
like where you're going in this direction that's something i was going to touch upon one thing that
i i went in london i just came back from london literally two weeks ago and i spent some time
interviewing charles hoshkins if you guys go to my pin profile you'll see it we spoke about choice
and especially on the blockchain we have really no choice with satoshi's ecosystem that he's built
because everything is so transparent and it compromises our identity, right? And I think that communities themselves have to have identity.
And I think choice is a lot of that identity and building that identity.
And I think that a lot of people right now in the communities that they may be in really don't have any choice.
They don't have choice on the direction of the community.
They have very little input.
I love what Mo said about contribution.
And I love what Sports Value Mart said about a DAO.
And I think that not every single project needs to be a DAO.
But I think if there's some sort of community vote or community privilege to vote, it gives people the opportunity to feel that they have control of their investment the direction of
their community and maybe the well-being of their financial future if they have a community of
like-minded individuals that are all deciding to you know follow that journey or that path
that's just my opinion mo what do you think about that no i totally agree like every project has its own unique aspect that it can
compound on as we already discussed like in earlier spaces tokens aren't for everyone
the dows aren't for everyone nfts aren't for everyone but as long as the project understands
which of each aspect is applicable to it and actually capitalizes on it correctly,
that's how they can measure success.
Tokens have been, as we already discussed, inflated.
People are releasing tokens here and there,
and it's becoming a very speculative thing to do.
Other projects are focusing on NFTs.
They are getting more success because they are actually more focused on the value of the nft of the art
itself of the connection with the community and i like how they do it but it's a bit of a different
idea it's a bit of a different business side which i'm not very very in the know with but i see the
success with it and they don't really look into like stuff and going into tokens, into DAOs and all that.
So it all depends on the end result that the project wants to accomplish.
In our case, we see the value of tokens and we see where we can even fit NFTs
because the community around the gifting and the diversity economy has options.
SVT, they see the option of using the token as a not an investment as a connection to a player's
performance something of a new fantasy football or a betting system or not even a betting system
like you get what i mean like it all depends on the project and what it's actually trying to
accomplish that's why i'm like interested in what sgt is doing even though it's a token and i already
said overinflated market a lot of tokens in it, but they do have something
unique to them.
That's why I'm giving them the chance.
I'm going to try it out.
And we already have, we remember like Water150, the guys are creating something actually useful.
And I'm also interested in that.
And we'll see what's going to happen with them.
And I believe they have something to work with towards
great answer mo thank you what about you sports value uh sorry uh regarding what
uh let me find my can you repeat the question please so uh yeah no worries brother we were just talking about overall the sports and
the ecosystems right what's triggering real attachment to the ecosystems we talked a little
bit about utilities i i said it could be choice mo was just kind of expanding and throwing in a
little extra sauce on the top anything that you want to add um no i'm i agree with everything that was said so nothing to
add there all right well let's keep it rocking we got some awesome speakers up here as well too i
want to acknowledge them we got dr soli we got a legend og ron c oh wait we got to say what's up
to my boy ron ron how you doing this morning, my guy? Good to have you up in the space, brother.
What's up, man?
I've been here for a minute.
I was listening anonymous for a minute
because I was on the conference call.
How is everybody doing?
And Moe hit it on the head, though.
Moe said a lot.
I really can't come after what Moe said
because Moe hit a lot of points.
No, I agree.
But, Ron, man, it's good to see you up here.
Mo, Ron's a DJ, and he created some of the biggest tracks in Houston
with Paul Wall and Swisha House.
And he's the founder and creator of the label, man.
And he's worked with some of the top musicians in the industry,
like The Weeknd and Drake.
And that's why he goes by OVO Ron C man so
you got a legend up here today Mo and the community should be lit man it's good to see
you Ron how you been brother give us an update what's been happening bro? First of all thank you
always doodle man for the kind words man thank you always man I appreciate you having me up
what's up to everybody man I'm just you know you know i'm just trying to
get back to it the 25 you know i got you know pretty sick in uh 23 24 so you know just been
taking my time you know been i've been easing in anonymously and just you know listening to a lot
of things and i'm you know i'm still around man i ain't gone nowhere still got all my nfts i ain't
so never sold an nft to this day never sold a doodle baby i
fucking love you got over 2 000 nfts i'm still i'm still here man i'm just you know i do apologize
to my community you know i'm saying for not being you know too much in 25 but you know i'm here
no you've been building my brother you've been. And I want to ask you a question.
What do you think is the pillar for, you know, fan engagement, social behavior here in Web3?
What do you think it could be?
And what do you think can stimulate more growth?
I think, you know, just finding, you know, just because just being in the music industry, right, right now, just knowing what music is going through, period, with artists with well three artists right just in general just speaking on the
music side I think that people want in life period now people just want tangible
items as well to go along with their digital assets and I think that's been
picking up I've been you know you know looking and I think that's been picking up. I've been looking and I think that's picking up as well.
So I think just
tangible items
has been becoming
more tangible
now these days because
people just want something to actually hold
in their hand and say that I got it
and that I am a part of this.
I agree.
RWAs are going to be huge.
And you nailed it on the head.
And Ron, we definitely got to talk, bro.
Because you see the growth.
You see the motion that Doodle Gen X has now.
And I think you're the key, man.
I think you're the missing piece, bro.
And I think that we can really bring in tons of musicians.
You know, there's been some people like Jasonason derulo little pump six nine but these guys are just cash grabbers bro these guys
are just here to take advantage of the community i want to create a real pod me and you i want to
throw the biggest fucking concert i've been living out in thailand for uh since since literally February right after Denver I came back
to Thailand I've been living in Thailand ever since Ron got a nice three-bedroom house here
in the pool we definitely got to catch up my brother oh so yeah you done went on and went
and jumped out of the apartment to the house huh okay okay I see you enjoying that way dude there's
snow in the 6th right now bro Moe was yo, it's Christmas and there's no snow.
I'm like, fuck that.
I'm going to jump in the pool right now with my phone.
With the iPhone and my clothes on.
I don't give a shit.
I'm crazy.
But we're going to throw the biggest community party.
And it can't even be Web3.
But the biggest music party they've ever fucking seen.
And it's mostly going to be web 3 because that's our demographic
But we're not gonna approach it in that way because guess why it scares mainstream people and I think that the
this tokenization of assets and nfts and and memes
sometimes
Makes a barrier for the normies and I think that a lot of the time it should be free.
I think a lot of the time when you enjoy music, it's absolutely free.
You can rip it off of Spotify.
You could play it off of YouTube.
Heck, you could probably go on social media and just find the song on TikTok or whatever.
But I think that a lot of these projects create these barriers.
And I think that we should see more free uh to entry and i think that's what
some of the communities are missing that's why we we saw in the nft community a lot of free mints
and some of those projects still are worth more than four hundred dollars five hundred dollars
which is like you know more than point one of an e i agree with you about the free part. And, you know, because if you can get the people in, if you get the people that support you in the building or in your space, period, then it opens up a lot of whole more avenues for tangible things.
I promise you, as a concert thrower and a concert giver. Just think about if you could take away the element
of going to a concert, paying $50, $100.
What if we did the biggest free concert ever
that was sponsored by Whip3?
And that's what I was just meant to say.
What if you could have a big concert?
No diddy shit because you killed people, Ron.
I watched the documentary and shit.
That's another thing I got to ask you.
Off the air, all sorts of shit.
But it's a good documentary.
Curtis Jackson co-produced it.
He doesn't really like Diddy anyways, Sean Combs.
But it's another conversation for another place.
Man, I'm just happy that you're here.
Mo, this guy's a fucking legend.
I had the honor to meet Ron in February of this year in ETH, Denver, and it was so cool to just be there.
And he signed a new rapper named Sam. Sam from Houston. He's just tearing it up right now. I can't wait for him to just catch fire and blow up.
But what do you think? Let's ask Mo the same question. Mo, do you think that free entry should be you know some of the community's focus because a lot of the time they create these moats and barriers for average people
to get involved pleasure to meet you Roman honestly like I'm I'm hearing your thoughts
and ideas and I'm like that man is on OG I can listen to him all day but yeah like in general
entry should be with the least hurdles possible and even if it's
free that doesn't mean like at the end of the day you won't receive any reward from onboarding
people into your ecosystem because right now the business of how things are being calculated into
the future a free entry into a community is still a very viable option
for very big businesses.
So I would believe, I would say,
that's a viable option for a lot of projects.
It depends on your segment, it depends on your audience,
but it is an option.
And for example, with us, with our community,
there is no fee, there's no hurdle for you to get on board.
And honestly, we don't even ask you to pay anything or buy anything.
But it just happens because you're part of the community.
As with gaming, for example, when you go into free to play games, you just want to support the devs.
You support the studios or you want to like get something that's going to be different
a differentiating factor that's why a free entry isn't always bad it has its own positives and
it's actually a viable option mo can you hear me yeah i can hear you can you hear me yeah no you're
good i'm getting a little bit of sticky mic syndrome here.
I'm on my end.
But no, you gave it a great answer.
And I'm not one to be a huge gamer, but over the last six months,
I started playing a little bit more mobile gaming
and just tapping in online with the communities and streaming.
And I was really shocked with the collaboration with Simpsons
because it brought in millions of the game for tonight,
which is a free game, free on the console and mobile.
All you need is a PC or a joystick.
You could play it.
You could even play it off of your phone or a tablet.
And what happens is it creates a culture within the game of cults it could be economically like
beneficial maybe people are wagering in prediction markets or on other platforms and playing each
other within the game and then it becomes it creates the culture where people want to own
shit right and it's not to be like possessive in a bad way
it's just cool to have like the right ownership or have some sort of scarcity not everybody in
the game has these assets or these skins or these characters you know really kind of thrives it's
not that you know they're extracting it's they're creating culture they're
creating gaming they're creating so many things within their ecosystem and look at the look at
the games that has done super successful and you can play absolutely free for the entirety of owning
the game and the game's free or you can decide to spend some money within the game if you wish
what do you think mo and the game's free. Or you can decide to spend some money within the game if you wish.
What do you think, Mo?
Yeah, on point.
Like, Fortnite is one of the prime examples.
Like, Fortnite is one of the prime examples.
There's Fortnite that was, like, back in the Clash of Clans.
Counter-Strike, a lot of free games have been very successful because of the community behind them.
Yeah, I would agree with that, both of you guys.
And that was a perfect example of Fortnite being something, offering something.
Think about this.
Let me say this here before I jump off of you right quick, you guys.
Listen, think about this.
Just average day life, average day people, average day everybody, right?
That just goes and see the word F-R.E.E. Something free.
What it does to us psychologically and mentally, it does. It says this. OK, you give me this free.
I'm willing to. Now I have funds freed it up, freed up to maybe be able to support something else that may cost a dollar while I'm inside of your whatever you have me inside for free
Well, if I got into your car and you were selling a piece of bubblegum
I'll buy the bubblegum because I didn't have to pay up five cents to get in the car
So it just kind of it all really goes hand in hand
It's just like being at a concert if I got in the concert free, of course
I wouldn't I wouldn't not now I got I didn't have to pay $50 for the entry.
Now I got $50 to buy. You buying liquor?
I know you buying liquor. I'm just saying to buy something even if I buy
some merchandise or anything. I have freed up
assets to buy something with. I have freed up my money to buy
some other assets with inside of the environment
so, you know, it does really
Are finding a way to offer something for free?
You know Ron they tried that to me in Thailand today
The guy had fucking watermelon and I was I in the watermelon cuz it was such a hot day
And it was all sliced up and shit he's like here's a
free piece i'm like if i take this free piece my mouth's gonna be savoring for this shit and i'm
gonna buy the whole fucking watermelon and i can't carry a watermelon right now so i'm like
no man that's a that's the old that's the old way in the in the streets man that i always say get
it up away look it works it works in web 2 most of the time because you nailed it.
People will invest a little bit of time if something is free to see whether they're interested or curious
or whether it's worth the value of the free item or free service or whatever it is.
I mean, how many times if you smoke some weed with somebody, you say, damn, where did you get that from?
And then you go and buy some.
And you just got it for free.
Mo, he's too good, bro.
He's an OG, bro.
He's a doctor.
He's a doctor at work.
No, you nailed it.
Sports value.
What about yourself, Mo?
Add into this conversation.
No, I'm just speaking to you.
I'm speechless at the moment like nailed it exactly as it should be he's like that's every day doodle absolutely absolutely and
um yeah we we actually uh we did a free to play version so that's the only one that's ready the
other one is not ready yet so uh at the moment we made a free to play version
where you can just buy free tokens and trade.
Then, yeah, it is a way to reward the community as well.
Kind of paper trade until they get hooked.
Yeah, yeah.
And it's also a way to engage the community.
And it's not just trading. course if you're trading you get
rewarded because trading actually you're creating the markets because we are not estimating the
price of a token it's entirely driven by by the traders so we need traders to to have a right
price and that's that's a that's a service, you know.
And there's a...
We've got rewards, so there's a journey.
So you can do like a paid... You know, play to play.
Sorry.
I mean, not pay to play, the other way around.
Play to earn.
Free to play.
Free to play and play to earn.
You don't have to pay and you actually get paid, right?
That's even better.
Obviously, you're not going to get it.
There's a lot of games like that.
There's a lot of mobile games like that that are out right now.
And that's why they're so successful.
And to be honest, it's sometimes even just the 30-second ads that you get, like, once every hour, once every half an hour.
And people enjoy the game so much. They're like, every hour once every half an hour and people enjoy
the game so much they're like well i'm gonna sit through it there's no other option anyway but
there are there are some people so there are different types of customers right there are
some people they don't waste time correct to play they just want to put big money i mean
these are good customers they just like don't waste don't waste my time. I want to make, I want to gamble.
I agree.
I also think that it is a good way to get some people involved into the community.
And not everything can be free just from an economic standpoint.
But it's definitely a great way to get more people involved.
Which incentives do you think is actually going to work in 2026 because 2025 we've seen the speculation kind of die down meme coins are not going to the billions
as they used to they're barely even reaching 100 or 200 million prediction markets have more odds
have more uh objective data and people are really starting to get into it but what other
incentives would have just financial mo why don't you uh kick it off and i'll pass it over to you
honestly uh the main incentive i would say outside the classic monetary gain and all that jazz, I would say the main thing that's going to be onboarding people into the actual winning ecosystems is a low barrier to entry.
It could be like free to play, free to enter, free to take part.
But there's also other hurdles that are sometimes a paid option that actually gives you that exclusive and easy access to
something when you create something that's actually simple to take part in it's going to have a very
big advantage in the new market other than that i would say social mechanics are creating a very
big retention without the need to bribe people with rewards and all that uh token flows like
for example with with Gift Horse,
that are tied directly to activity inside the ecosystem,
not only into the speculation and hype around it.
And as I already said, a sense that the ecosystem is evolving.
It has a vibe, it feels alive.
And as long as that's happening,
the incentive is being part of a community, of a culture.
That's, I would would say the new incentive
that's going to be cracking on in addition to the classic ones the rewards monetary gains roles and
all that that's a great answer and i really like that let's uh open up the conversation to some of
the panelists we got dr soli we got alex i want to see a gm to everybody
that's on the speaker panel dr soli what's popping my guy what do you think is going to work in 2026
in terms of incentives for communities uh for people to join how you doing brother good morning
happy friday yo baby gmgm bro everyone popping in tapping in it's been a good space man learned a lot about gift
us again bro i'm hyped for the launch man it's gonna be insane bro i've been playing that telegram
game we've been doing the quest you know i'm ready man i'm hyped but um yeah what really
like incentivized to join a community i think is um just a clear plan you know and some it
definitely needs a strong leader or a couple of strong leaders you know and uh yeah just a clear plan you know and some it definitely needs a strong leader or a couple
of strong leaders you know and uh yeah just a solid plan you know that everyone sticks by no
matter what i think a lot of time you know communities make plans or they you know they're
make too big of a plans or you know just have too high expectations i think you know as community
leader and as community member you should you know um just all come together you know brainstorm on what you really want to achieve as community
um like gift horse has got different uh you know goals and then doodologetics as a community but
every community can collaborate you know and grow together and even just brainstorm together you
know that's I think the biggest pillar there's you know thousands of projects out there with
no liquidity but yeah you keep seeing them pop up pop up pop up pop up pure because they've just got a
plan they've got a community and they're sticking to the plan no matter what the price is no matter
how many people are holding or buying they're just sticking to the plan together you know and
i think that's the main thing like that would get me into a community is if they've just got a solid
plan they've got a solid founder and uh yeah the people are just showing up no matter what the price no matter
what's happening you know people are showing up they're working because yeah no matter what the
price is the goal still stays the same you know that was my little rant solely no i like it i
think you nailed it on the head when people people show up, when you can see activity,
when you can see culture, when you can see conversations and people building in public,
makes people extremely bullish. That's why people host AMAs. That's why we do streams. That's why
we're doing media. That's why we exist, you know? So I totally agree with your perspective,
my brother. Ron, i mean ron will
get you in just one second i want to say what's up to alex and then i want to get a take from ron
as well too alex jim in the am brother 2026 what's working for communities and for their incentives
gmgm yeah i'm good um yeah um i see i mean I'm seeing a lot of cross-community stuff that I think is really nice to see helping each other out and doing bits and bobs together.
So that's nice to see.
Yeah, that's kind of my take on it, man.
But yeah, I'm excited for the launch.
I have been partaking in the game when I remember.
Solo, you were supposed to remind me to go there every day.
I haven't been doing that every day, but I think I've got enough,
some points at least.
But that's good.'s good uh yeah otherwise uh you know you just i would say chilling but i'm in like a thousand chats at the moment uh doing 700 things but cool yeah
oh there is not a person i know that's in more discords and telegrams than fucking Alex, bro. I hate to say it, but he's
like almost a Web3 whore, bro. He's like in every community. There's not one project he wants to
miss, man. He's like, give me them all. He's like, I need more. He's a part of like 500 discords.
Plus, I'm like, Alex, do you see the messages i see him bro and then he he he says
gm in my discord like almost every other day he's fucking active bro he's nuts he's a he's a great
community member and uh you definitely want alex in your community man i appreciate you alex i like
the take bro ron do you want to give a take as well, bro? What do you think is going to work for 2026
when it comes for incentives? When it comes for incentives, man, you know, I think, you know,
like I said, I'm going to stick with, you know, just tangible stuff because I'm just seeing how
the world is freaking out about having anything tangible. I don't care if it's a, if it's a little
millipede, people want something to say,
I was there. I'm a part of this, not just because I'm following it or not just because you see me
following it or you see me participating. No, I'm actually a part of the community. I actually was
in the concert. I actually know Mo. I actually know Doodle. I actually know Alex. I actually know
these people. So I think, you know, just the tangible is really going to be really valuable,
guys. You know what I'm saying? I really do. I think it's just going to go hand in hand.
And it's just, and it's going to be whoever makes the transition seamless, like I said before,
with music, Doodle, you know, like I said, it's with music doodle you know like i said this
with music remember i was saying the problem with music uh remember when we was telling sound xyz at
the beginning we was telling them about music about how to get regular people into nfts through
music right and if you fool them and not let them, you know, if you fool the regular consumer of music about how to, you know, access your music.
But now given the fact that if it's an NFT, people just want to be able to click the music.
So whoever figures it out of just clicking the music, but it's a process of backlining process of NFT.
it's the same thing that we're going through speed up a couple of years now three four years now
It's the same thing that we're going through speed up a couple of years now, three, four years now.
and you know we have to whoever figured that seamless transition between the tangible
and the nft is really really going to be the man
i like the hot take on that one ron. That was a great one. You got my mind working and thinking what we can give people to hold in their hand, baby.
We got Phoenix Crypto coming up.
A real legend from Doodlegenics.
A queen of queen.
What's up, queen?
And good morning.
How are you feeling?
Did you want to come up and give us a hot take?
GMGM.
Good morning, Doodle. Welcome
back. Hi, everyone on this panel. Yeah, I'm a little late to the party, but always I enjoy the
conversation. And so I will give a quick hot take. And I think in terms of community, people want to
feel seen. They want to feel understood. They want to feel a part of something bigger. They don't want
to feel like just a number or just a wallet or just some stepping stone for someone else to get
to a larger platform and leave others behind. They want something real and they want something
genuine. They want real change. They want to change their financial futures. They want empowerment. And they want to feel like their life and their environment has changed and improved for the better because of their commitment to the community. And I think if you have these aspects at play, it'll incentivize people to join whatever community.
incentivize people to join whatever community.
Mo, sign her to the label.
She came up and just, we gotta pay her an ETH now.
Take it out of the gift horse budget.
She is just too strong of a community member.
She just killed it and I agree.
And that's what Mo was starting off with the space,
the involvement of the actual community, the involvement of the people, the direction the community can go, the rewards that they get financially, like Sports Value Mart had mentioned.
So many different ways, but not just being another number or wallet or step in stone, because we do see community members come and go but people that are here
long term they should be valued and they are the pillars of the community they're the reasons why
the communities have existed had uh continued to thrive and vibe and stayed active so i absolutely
love that take uh phoenix mo how we doing on? Honestly, I think this is the perfect point on which we can start closing out.
We listen to Phoenix and I think the space has given everything its good.
Absolutely legendary.
All right, guys.
Well, we appreciate each and every one of you guys.
We want to give a big shout out to our special guest, Sports Value Mart.
Make sure you guys give them a follow as I did.
And just show support for the people that showed up.
Remember, you can retweet the space for people that as well too.
Allow them to tap in, grab some of the alpha.
A lot of great conversations.
Mo, anything you want to say before we wrap up?
Literally the simplest closing line I'm going to in a while keep a lookout the holiday season is
gonna be exciting other than that let's keep calm and keep grinding i guess yeah all right guys let's
go baby 20 days till christmas gift horse is dropping baby's going to be a snowy one, Moe, I promise you.
If not, you better go to Canada. We love you guys. Make sure you tap in. We'll be back at
a regular space Thursday next week with Moe and Gift Horse, and we'll give you guys more alpha
as we gear up towards the launch. Thank you, each and every one of you guys for rocking with us.
We'll be back on the next episode. Let's go, baby. Thank you. Thank you very much.
