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Fantasy Hour, talking Fantasy Top with SocialFi Guru Makesy
Recorded: July 11, 2025 Duration: 1:27:24Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion centers around the upcoming launch of the pump fund, the strategic partnership with Coinbase, and the excitement surrounding the free-to-play version of Fantasy Top, highlighting trends in user engagement and growth opportunities in the crypto gaming space.
Full Transcription
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oh my god shut up mike
oh my god Thank you. you
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gmgm welcome to this week's episode of fantasy hour i'm your host carpenter web3 alongside me
this week a ibra mlo we have the malt and main theater also supposed to be swinging by
um a ibra how are you i'm good man what's up what's up not much uh got some exciting times um coming up here
uh so yeah it's gonna be pretty sweet uh mlo how are you
pretty good man um yeah exciting stuff coming along for the space and fantasy in general.
So excited to talk about it.
Absolutely.
Yeah, it's going to be ā I mean, there's no official dates or anything yet,
but, you know, they've made it pretty clear.
Well, they've made it clear that that's where we're going, right,
is we're going to ā I mean, 710 dropped, he said, five days.
So I don't know. We'll five days. So I don't know.
We'll see.
Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see.
But yeah, we'll speculate on it.
But yeah, we'll see.
I think it's soon.
It's going to be.
Have you guys tried the free app yet on base?
Yeah.
I was doing great in it, but ran into a bug that a lot of my ducks are
are locked so um i'm sure they're working on that yeah they are um yeah it's uh i mean it's
really because see right now no one's supposed to be able to play it right now it's supposed to be
we were supposed to just be testing it uh like i had access to it uh and there's supposed to just be testing it. I had access to it,
and there's supposed to be a few other people that had access to it,
and then it just kind of got... Everyone got access to it.
And so, I mean, there's a lot of stress on it right now.
It's the number four most popular app on Coinbase right now.
Coinbase Wallet.
Let's go. They go never pushed it hard yet
dude that's huge so is it like the regular coinbase like wallet or is it like the beta wallet
it's yeah it's in both oh really see i don't use coinbase but i'm gonna start now but like my wife uses it but like i
just don't like my decks of choices uh crypto.com just because it's like easier for me that's what
i've already used and so but i'm gonna switch to crypt or coinbase uh and right now i've been
using my wife you don't you don't even need a sex account, actually. Oh, for real?
Yeah, the wallet's separate.
It's like Rabi or MetaMask.
It's just a wallet, right?
Oh, you're talking about the wallet wallet.
Okay, yeah.
Correct.
Yeah, yeah.
That's where it's at. If you go under apps of the wallet and search Fantasy Top, it's right there.
You could import any wallet address you want in there.
Or you could create a new wallet
just to play it i'm gonna download that right now but see i've been playing like the free version
right you just connect your x or whatever and so that's what i've been using i think you can i
remember how i created it it's been a little while but yeah you just uh that free one i like
because it definitely gets you that dopamine for the new players coming in being like and i like how like it when you open your packs it shows you what the
the you'd be winning if you won it on core right like the current price of those cards
and then that really gets people to start thinking right like that free to play like when you're
playing clash of clans or whatever free to play and then you can see oh these people are
well that clash can probably isn't the best way like, whatever it is where you can see that you can do better.
I'm trying to think of someone that you actually can make money.
So it's kind of even better than that.
Because Clash of Clans and all these free-to-play models with microeconomics,
they just play to beat people.
So, like, not only are you playing to beat people,
you're playing to win, like, potential money, right?
And so I feel like it's going gonna go crazy uh especially seeing the fact that
like i opened a pack the other day that uh and it's so like travis said it's super addicting and
he's right because there's so many ways that the dopamine get hit right because like your daily
rewards you're spinning the wheel your tournaments that you can lock like and they're 24-hour
tournaments and you're able to lock multiple um to lock multiple if you get certain ones unlocked.
But at first you get one, and every 24 hours you can do a new one.
And, like, my wife's been doing it to where she is using that to really fine-tune, like, how certain players post when they post and stuff like that to, like, help her with tactics.
And then also, like, if, like like certain events are going on in that week,
she'll kind of look, she's being really strategic about it.
It's kind of cool, but she's really enjoyed the free app.
But I'm going to have to.
Yeah, I want to hear more about what you actually helps.
Yeah, it actually helps like just in between tournaments
or when there's like a lonely action
it's fun to just do things um i really like the there's like a feature where you can unlock
basically upgrading a common to a rare and you get to pick whatever comments in your inventory
to make it a rare like i know that would destroy the core game, but imagine you could unlock a power-up with Finn or with Frags where just for one week you could upgrade a card from common to rare.
You know what I mean?
And it just gives you that boost for the week.
That would be really solid.
I think that would be a nice power-up that you like kind of pay to play, but it's temporary.
Right. Like you can't use it all the time.
It's like a one time. So I'd be that would be really fun.
Yeah, absolutely. That's that's because right.
That'd be a really good utility for, you know, fan and stuff or anything.
Right. Frags, especially because like when you first said it i was
thinking i was like oh no way because like that would just like ruin it you said but really if
it being temporary it's a it's a frag sync um as well as being temporary right for one tournament
one-time use right and just you'd price it high enough to where it would actually make sense right
to where it's like knocking enough frags out of the circulation.
Yeah, let's say it's like 2,500 frags, right?
Like, you have to give up the chance of a Lavender pack or 25 cards
just to upgrade your common to a rare for one tournament.
I don't know how many people would do it.
I don't know how many people would do it, but if I had an ICO beast and I really wanted him in my gold deck or in my silver deck,
That makes sense, though.
But if I had like an ICO, right.
and I think it's going to be the missing piece to get me to first place, yeah, why not?
And it's not like you have an unfair advantage.
Everyone has the ability to dump 2,500 frags and choose what card they want to make
that you know or maybe it's like um restricted to a certain tournament like maybe there's like
a tournament where power-ups are allowed and then you just you know you don't participate in that
tournament if you don't want to use power-ups and if you're somebody that wants to use a power-up
it then everyone's on the same
playing field and everyone kind of has like you know a level yeah basically a little thing that's
that's how i envision it could be it could be used but it's cool to see like i'm testing out
different kind of game modes and different kind of like ways of of like playing the game i think
that's that's neat absolutely and that's the thing too is, again, I like that too,
is having it as maybe like just like a mode.
And again, anyone listening, we're just speculating and stuff.
It's kind of like, so none of this is coming from the team or anything.
This is just speculation.
But yeah, I really like that too because that makes more sense, right?
Because like the more you think about like,
especially knowing the
community um and how tight-knit everyone is and how like uh how to say this um passionate everyone
is they're uh i think that's would be the best way to do it right because i'm always thinking
about a way for like a token sync or like a frag sync right um it's something i think that the game
might be missing or needs.
And that's actually a really good one.
And then to make it even better so that you're not diluting
or making like a crazy new like strategy and like to regular tournaments
is making it to where it is a whole new tournament itself.
Like, you know, maybe it's like an every week tournament
or maybe like once per season or something,
a couple times per season that you get these special tournaments you know instead of there being four tournaments
there's now five or six tournaments and you can throw them in there and if anyone that doesn't
want to do that doesn't have to you know what i mean have you played blank have you played blank
is it blanco lanto what's that there's a there's a there's like a poker game um there's a poker game on like apple games okay
i don't know i had a free trial but a lot of people were talking about it's lanto
and basically like you you have these cards and you have to like make poker hands from them
and you you know uh there's there's these jokers and each joker is like a random kind of power-up so like you could have
tournaments like with random power-ups and they could pop up in the middle of the tournament and
change the whole game like maybe you might not know what it is up beforehand but like
the ability to switch your card with somebody else's right in a lineup or something like that
like just random chaos that kind of comes into the middle of a tournament
or maybe it's like a tactic and it's just like different random power-ups
and like game changers.
That would be really kind of different too.
I would like something like that.
Yeah, that'd be nuts.
It reminded me of that game called Doppler or Dopper or Duper,
whatever it is over on ā don't pitch for me for saying this name
or for this chain but abstract
uh it's that game like it's kind of like a war game but it's also you're trying to find the best
poker hand that's what i thought but as a poker player myself and like cards are very big into
in like my family and stuff like we always do it at christmas and i did like the semi-pro poker
stuff there for a while um not near as good as like jazz and some of these people but um or moody or moony i mean but uh yeah i really like i need now i kind of want to
check out that blank or whatever the heck you're talking about because that'd be a fun way of uh
because like being like a big gamer anyways like i like mixing up games so like poker with the
wild card getting thrown out there right is that you can switch cards or something that'd be nuts
but yeah i think that'd be a good twist on fantasy too right it's just like those fun little game
modes and also i'm a big component of pay to play leagues like another league to throw in some extra
whether it's frags or money money's probably best throwing money one buck two bucks five bucks ten
bucks whatever you want to throw in like for different leagues right there's like a two dollar five dollar ten dollar league um you throw in like 80 goes back
to everyone 20 goes to uh you know back to fantasy um or whatever i don't know the percent stuff
that's not my game i'm just thinking but i think uh i know that's a lot of people's pitch that
and not saying that it would be that way forever. Just extra game mode. Right. Like the game modes they have now are awesome.
I love them. The free to play. That's really like what everyone loves about it is you.
It's pretty much a pay once and then you can just keep earning forever. Right.
And then you have to change strategy. But really, you could just.
Kind of like if you play it correctly, you can you don't have to spend a whole lot after that initial throwing some money in, right?
But anyone that's played the game knows you end up putting more in.
Like, I've told HK numerous Saturdays that I'm done putting money in for a little bit,
and then next thing you know, I'm putting another, like, half a youth a youth in.
Speaking of HK, HK, how are you, brother?
Yeah, doing good yeah doing good doing good uh
good that's friday finish up work uh but yeah no looking forward to next week it's gonna be good uh yeah looking forward to tomorrow's deck building stream with bandit on as well right
uh yes sir speaking of i need to pin that up here yeah it's gonna be good
but yeah i know looking forward to the next few days with all the base stuff going on i guess
it'd be huge oh yeah what do you guys think about the uh it was crazy to see the coinbase posting
like mostly all fantasy top heroes on that thing right like most of them were fancy top heroes at
least tactics heroes like that was that was so freaking sick.
What did you guys think? And Wales,
Walls, was there? Hold on, sorry. Go ahead,
Abra, and then I'll pitch it to Walls.
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
I just saw, like,
they hired Alex on chain, Coinbase
did, and now he's their CT lead.
So, like, that's
why you're probably seeing
a lot of CT now. Like, Coinbase being a little bit more relevant with their posts is, like, that's why you're probably seeing a lot of CT now, like Coinbase being a little bit more relevant with their posts is like, because it's like somebody who's from CT posting on CT.
So it's kind of cool.
Yeah, see, I did not know that.
So that's huge.
Walls, what's up, brother?
Hey, guys.
Hey, guys.
Happy to be here.
Sorry, guys, hosting this.
Jumped in. You can never miss a fantasy space, huh? Oh, guys. Happy to be here. Sorry, guys, hosting this. Jumped in.
Yeah.
You can never miss a fantasy space, huh?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I think I threw a speaker up.
We're still waiting for Makesy.
He's supposed to be coming by.
He probably got busy at work.
And then the Malt's supposed to be swinging by, too.
But, yeah, it's always nice to have ā
I'm pumped to have HK and walls here as well.
I know Aibra and LMLO and then the Malt and Mixi were the scheduled ones.
But like always, if you ever want to come up and talk, request.
And then if I see someone I want to come up, I shoot him a speaker thing.
Yeah, I think Mixi is running his hero strategy with spaces.
So he'll show up halfway through the spaces.
Okay.
Heck, yeah.
Wait, what's he running?
It went over your head, buddy.
What is going on?
Lately, Mixi has been posting deep into the tournament, you know?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or Mixi has been the molt, bro.
That's like the molt.
What?
Yeah, so Mixi's been, yeah. Oh, the molt bro that's like the molt what no yeah so makes these been yeah so oh yeah nuts go ahead yeah which is smart because you you have a lot
of people anticipating your tweets so finally when you drop it it should technically do um more
numbers so he's a smart guy i got that i'm old but now i get it he's gonna be late to the space
halfway through like when he posts haha i'm not that old yet there you go it just took me a while
the old timers kick in but yeah so we are let me look i had to pin that thingy up for uh
coming on tomorrow um but yeah so tomorrow um oh crap i forgot to do this too here i'll pitch
it too is there anything that um i forgot i'm supposed to share this over on the other thing
too um is there anything you guys want to chat about real quick i gotta share this over on
another platform real quick um let's chat base what do you guys think let's do it do we see do
we see number go up and when and how how do you guys think? Let's do it. Do we see number go up?
And when and how?
How do you guys think it's all going to happen?
The free-to-play versions is live right now.
What do you guys all think about base?
I see auto is bullish. He wanted to buy out
my whole portfolio.
The guy is deploying.
He expressed a pump.
What I'm curious to see is how the actual bridging happens like because everyone's got
balances on the in their wallet like there's gonna have to be unfortunately it's gonna look
like some things are gonna just maybe never but i think that there going to be people that are dead accounts that
are going to need to go in and
sign in and log into their
privies and bridge their beef balance.
Maybe their cards will automatically
be bridged.
Can we have some heroes
stuck on blast forever that we don't
need?
I can
offer the devs to stay on on blast just to uh for the memories
too you know they're our candy war daddy and the devs that have been burning the devs each week
yeah and that's why they took stars because stars couldn't migrate to base so makes sense now
stars couldn't migrate to base so makes sense though yeah and that's kind of what i was thinking
um that and honestly i'm glad you brought that up because i did not like i hadn't really thought
about until now uh like the migration because you think about migrations in the past and if you look
at like d gods or something where or even like penguins when they were doing um their whole
like traveling thing where they could send them to different things and the grand that wasn't a real migration but they were sending him different
change but like for the d gods and stuff um and i wish bonsai was here is he here he is here i'm
gonna try and see if he'll come up i'm gonna ask him something um about because i don't know a lot
about the d god stuff but i think that had to be manually bridged um over but i was wondering if like I don't think the cards
Are going to be manually bridged but I think the ETH will
Because I don't think they can just take your ETH out of your wallet
What they could do is
Just like mirror your portfolio
On base
And then not make the cards
Valuable
Yeah kind of like what they did
With CPT Dank when he got hacked
or having having us all bridge means that like i don't know 20 30 percent of all cards are not
going to be bridged meaning we're going to have less cards you know uh so potentially
that could be a bullish catalyst for us active players.
You know, think about it. I mean, the people that don't bridge,
the people that aren't active or are not bridging,
their supply is not a factor anyway.
Like people that abandon their accounts,
it's almost like Satoshi's big plans.
They're never going to be back into play.
So I don't care that not everybody's like cards get bridge
or don't get bridge like people are active are active right that's that's all yeah for sure but
i mean just consider all the potential decrease of uh i don't know selling pressure and i don't
know if if if it was automatic some people who are i don't know not playing anymore forgot about
it would would see their cards on base, see additional liquidity and floor it.
Well, I don't know, if it's some friction, they're like, ah, fuck it, I have like $50 on Fantasy anyways.
Anyways, just brainstorming some ideas.
It wouldn't hurt to have like a manual bridge, even if they do an automatic, doesn't matter.
a manual bridge, or I mean, even if, even if they do an automatic,
it doesn't matter. Um, as long as, yeah, as,
as long as they do it without bugs and not in like the typical fantasy style,
you know,
that's a feature that's a feature in that, you know, um,
I mean, I think the most bullish thing is that um we're gonna finally have a clear
path to tg right so um like going to base not only like should it on board like new users right but
right like now anybody that was looking out um you know on the outside looking in basically and
they're like i don't want to you
know do anything on blast like that's a dead chain like nothing's going to happen there
like the move to base is huge because now you basically have uh you know a chain that it's
it's most reputable right it's like backed by by a bunch of money and they have they have a cx so like you know
they've they've listed um kaido and stuff so um now you have a lot of people that were like on
the fence that they're gonna probably want to have depending on how pump fund goes right it's
a complete different um it's a complete different product but um pump fun is also
on alliance style right so it kind of gives you a picture into like at a lower scale what could
happen with fantasy so a lot of people are paying attention so so the migration to base is going to
get a lot of those people to probably come in and get some exposure yeah and like on that too is
one thing i'm really excited about and have been and then we'll go on this i want to pass it to
makesy and then over to bonsai um but yeah so the fact is like exactly what i agree with everything
you said mlo and then also on top which that's all like huge right we're gonna get a bunch of
people there's already people in ct paying attention and then there's also like people who use coinbase right that aren't on ct or
maybe they're in on twitter but they're not in like art like what we call ct maybe they follow
the people like the jeff park and stuff right like we were all joking around a while ago who's
this jeff park and uh or became like a meme within our community right and then po then Pio posted, I can't believe some of these people
in crypto Twitter don't know who Jeff Park is, right?
Because he's in a different,
completely different niche than us.
He's like for like, almost like the normies
and like the Bitcoiners and stuff.
And then so then like those people
are going to see this fantasy thing.
They're going to try it out.
And then we're going to get a whole new influx of people.
And then they're going to start following these accounts.
So being a hero is even bigger, right?
And the people who post about fantasy is going to be even bigger because they don't want strategy, right?
So this is so much bigger than like any of us imagine.
Because Coinbase is the biggest, like most, like it's like we always joke in CT, right?
And say this part, like bandits him, right?
Or whatever, right? Like Coin this part, like bandits him, right? Or whatever, right?
Like Coinbase is him for centralized exchanges.
It's they're that guy, right?
And so we're going to get all their users.
And like, so if I didn't already have my wife in,
like she would come because of Coinbase, right?
Like she was super crazy.
She's been on the free to play app more than I have.
And I had access before she did, right? because she got access when all you guys did and so it's nuts um and then
makesy i want to pitch to you real quick welcome brother hey sorry i'm late
no no problem at all man uh how have you been good Good, good. Yeah, I don't want to throw cold water on the bullishness, but yeah, I'm a little bit more cautious about the growth prospects unless there are like some, you know, product and design changes coming as well.
Yeah, I haven't thought that the chain has been the main limiting factor of growth so far.
But yeah, I might be one of a few that thinks that.
yeah, I might be one of a few that thinks that.
And so I just want to touch on one thing there real quick,
and then I want to pass the Bonsai and then we'll come back.
And I want to hit on that, like with all of us.
I still want to forget about why I brought Bonsai up
and have him hang out and like be on the panel.
But yeah, I want to get real quick on that.
I know the design changes are coming.
Travis posted it a while ago about a new ux ui
um looks super clean trying to be get rid of a lot of the noise on there um that's all i can
really say on that and then real quick um bonsai on the migration stuff i know you're a d god um
and have been what with that like how did that process go like as being a d god which time yeah there's been
a couple different bridges um and the pudgy did it too right with the pudgies and the little pudgies
they did the crazy like you could hit like three or four different chains with pudgies um so it
it is manual and so for example with d gods i still-Gods, I still have D-Gods on ETH and I have D-Gods on Soul.
So that could be pretty advantageous to kind of weed out the inactive players that, you know, their stuff's not going to just automatically come over.
But obviously, you'd want to be careful about, like, having a period of time,, like a nice safe period of time where they could do it. Um,
cause that would be pretty FUD worthy otherwise, but yeah,
it'd be interesting, um, that if it's manual that, um, you know,
you got people left over on, on blast. And if that,
I hope that answers your, your question or curiosity that,
and I just want to touch real quick on the chain um i don't i was a person that never thought that blast entered um fantasy top
but i definitely see where base could um could propel it um so that's my opinion on it is that
that i think it was blast served its good purpose for the time. And then now I think we can get,
we could hopefully get new users and stuff through base.
So that's, that's where I'm at.
Yeah. I think when, when people,
when sometimes we refer to fantasy top on the timeline,
people are like, wait, is that still a thing?
Does that still exist? Didn't that die? Right? Like,
there's no, like, exposure to it on blast. And, and don't get me wrong, it served its purpose in
the beginning. With the blast gold and with all the hype around blast, like, it really put fantasy
on the map. Then it got lost. And it got lost as blasts appeal kind of dwindled down right and yes they did a
great job at returning at retaining users and that's kind of what's been keeping it going but
base is going to be that next like hey shine a spotlight on us and people will come. And yes, I agree with you, Meksi.
I think I just got tired of saying it.
Like the experience needs to get better.
It happened just this past week.
I don't think there's been a tournament in the last year
where we got the frags and the rewards
and the ETH all in the same window
that we're expecting it or in a timely manner.
Be that as it may, right? Like those should be fixable. Like ETH rewards are now like almost
automatic, right? And it's just these little bugs just got to kind of just keep getting squashed
and squashed and we'll get there. And hopefully they converge at the same time of when base kind of turns that spotlight on.
And if they can do that, then I think we're in good shape.
I think another underrated aspect is, you know,
the pack opening animation, right?
So I think, like, early days, you know,
Thursdays used to be a really, like, the TL used to pop off. Walls used to be a really like the tl used to pop off walls used to be
opening his 60 cards right everyone used to be posting their pack openings but i don't know i
don't think i've ever seen one for like so long now uh i have told the team like multiple times
that that needs fixing right or just go back to the previous animation because you know there's
nothing better than just shilling you know the card rewards that you get on the tl right um so that's something i did
said 710 that that needs to be sorted because you know there's no better way moving to base
getting your rewards and shilling it on the on the timeline right uh
yeah i think that's something i i did uh raise with the team as well
I did raise with the team as well.
You unmuted and makes you,
do you have something to say, brother?
Yeah.
I mean,
the key is converting visitors into users
and then retaining users.
Fantasy's problem now, I mean, it doesn't have a problem, first of all, because
the way I see it is like, just, it's been a huge success. The floor is extremely high. I mean,
the fundamentals of the project are just like insane, you know, for what it is right now.
But in terms of like capturing asymmetric upside and like, you know, really defining
a new category, which is kind of, I think what most of us are hoping for of social fantasy,
most of us are hoping for of social fantasy.
You have to find a way to cross the chasm to a more mainstream audience,
or you need, at the very least, a lot higher active participation among just crypto Twitter users and crypto users.
I don't think awareness among crypto Twitter is a problem at all. I think everyone is aware of
fantasy. I mean, you always see posts about it. It's just a matter of conversion and retention.
And to give credit to the team, the retention among existing users is very good.
But the growth in terms of converting visitors to new users and retaining those new users has not been as good.
users has not been as good.
So it's done extremely well with the initial cohort, but it's kind of like run out of people
to grow into.
And yeah, so there has to be some sort of design or product catalyst that increases
that conversion rate or the top of the funnel. Now, the base thing,
I've never thought that it's been a huge hurdle to just bridge a little bit of ETH into Blast.
They make it so easy. The chain's already pretty abstracted like you can't really see that i don't think
that's been a huge hurdle just because of how easy they make that in the application um but uh you
know yeah the coinbase wallet thing is is really interesting um to the extent that you know coinbase
can increase the top of the funnel for crypto applications.
And they've always had a problem with that.
So there is a question as to whether this will be successful as opposed to prior stuff they have had kind of an app browser in the main Coinbase app before.
I think this is going to be a lot more thoughtful approach uh probably that they're
going to release um uh but you can also remember with like nfts like they you know talked a big
game about like their nft marketplace and stuff and that was just a complete dud they were they
themselves were not able to like um you know grow their their user base or like retain NFT traders at all.
So, yeah, I think just from like assuming Coinbase succeeds,
the projects that they're going to give the most visibility to are the ones that are engaging users at a high rate.
So it's like, it's gonna be based on like what they observe.
If they see like certain applications,
you know, like increasing their weekly active,
monthly active, daily active users,
and people keep coming back to, you know, Coinbase Wallet because
they're engaging with that application, they're going to give those apps more visibility. So
basically, like the UI needs to be in place to where those stats are going to be good. And
you kind of need to target the UI to whoever those new users are going to be that that Coinbase wallet is going to onboard.
And that may or may not be like the current, you know, kind of fantasy user base. So if Coinbase
is targeting, you know, normies and stuff, I would think that they would want, you know,
that they would want the hero set to be someone that they're familiar with. I mean, it's possible
that we could onboard them to CT, and that would be one strategy. But another strategy would be
more personalized hero sets in some sort of free-to-play or some sort of like peer-to-peer
leads like normal fantasy leagues work where people bet with their friends about you know
performance and you can pick heroes and so forth so anyway that's that's kind of like where my
head's at but i think the you know everything has an extremely high floor. This this will be, you know, it can't hurt. But just as far as like, you know, upside expectations, I haven't seen anything right now that would tell me that, you know, those numbers are going to be super high.
But the competition is also very low. You know, most crypto apps don't do that, you know, don't have that good retention right now.
So, yeah, that's kind of where my head's at.
Yeah, on that point, right?
Like up until this today, right?
Or like, because technically that Coinbase, the Coinbase free-to-play version is not really official yet or released, right?
It's, it's not supposed to be there, but it's there. We found it up until now. We haven't had
a real way to onboard our friends. Like I was scrolling through cards at a friend's house
and he looked over my shoulders. Like, what are you doing? And like, I was like, Oh, you know,
this is a cool game that I play where I'm betting on crypto Twitter, like influencers.
It's like, oh, that'd be cool if it was NBA players. Right.
And like, so there's like you said, there's got to be some kind of fit for the normie.
Like not everyone's going to care about crypto Twitter.
and the the good thing is is the team recognizes that already like if you look at mikado's recent
And the good thing is, is the team recognizes that already.
posts or maybe it was maybe it was um kip it but they were saying you know what communities would
you kind of like to bet on right and like what kind of communities would you like to to see and
i think they're going to like everything that you you said is a valid criticism
but i hate to say this like the team's already like a few steps ahead like they've already kind
of thought of that and they're already iterating on on those things and i that's kind of why
i think having the right partner makes sense and it's not just a bridge to coinbase and like whatever like jesse's being a big
cheerleader about it um we've already seen the free to play app be ranked number 14 on the
coinbase wallet as far as like um most popular app so imagine when it's a fully polished and i
feel comfortable sending it to my normie friends or even some of my friends that dabbled with Solana Mecoins.
I'll be like, hey, just download this thing.
It's a passkey.
You don't need to have any seed phrases.
Just go ahead and open this wallet.
It'll take you two seconds.
Put an email and you get to play this fun game.
And then hopefully that game converts them to real players.
And it's a stretch, right?
Like it's going to take a long time to go from free to play to actual play.
And is there problems with the floor?
Yes.
Is it hard to attain good cards?
Yes.
But as we open up these other domains of Twitter and or maybe it's not Twitter, maybe we're
measuring engagement on on you know
tiktok i don't know what it is but like the whole the whole thing is i think they'll tap into that
market and we'll be able to kind of uh be super early that's what's so excited about this it's
like we're crazy yeah absolutely and that's uh you touched on some points i was going to touch on the eyebrow
so that was awesome especially because the one i want to like definitely reiterate on is the fact
that um like you said it's not just the bridge to blast or away from blast onto uh let me refer
it it's not just the bridge to base right um nothing against blast or anything but again like everyone said um it did its purpose right um it's just we've out like fantasy's
outgrown it um and but so it's not just going to base it's the fact that it's a partner right that
jesse is going to like fantasy did everything it did on Blast without Blast ever giving them,
like, aside from, like, gold that we could all agree that it was, like, that was the only support they got.
They didn't really talk about, like, Fantasy much.
I mean, we couldn't get Pac to, like, play the game, like, the thing that was causing the most stuff.
But nothing against Pac, nothing against blast but like uh jesse and coinbase are going to be a
like a superpower compared to the uh marketing and everything else that we're used to right we're
used to just like pretty much word of mouth. The team's building,
the community's the one pushing, like in 710 does a great job with partnerships.
And the thing is like, again, on Blast and there's only so much and we're only getting
seen all even on Blast. Blast was only really known by um even when they're listed on centralized exchanges
they're only known by like a very small group right um to where coinbase everyone knows coinbase
like everyone that knows crypto like even people that don't really know crypto like my grandparents
have well not all of them but like my younger grandparents so my wife's parents grandparents
have coinbase um like my dad has coinbase and stuff um and
not that they use it a lot but they have it right um now do i think i'm gonna go get them to play
fantasy top probably not but they're gonna see it right or the like people our generation are
around there um and definitely the younger ones are going to be jumping onto it and the fact that
i do see there being a uh fantasy going and they've already hinted at it a bunch whether it's through tactics or other things
um doing like a football one um they've asked you know what other niches should there be
um and someone was joking around about only fans models or whatever right so i think there is going
to be uh a way to grab other people but But first, the biggest thing is the bridge, right?
And I'm really excited about Jesse's going to be,
like he's everywhere right now.
He's going to be talking about fantasy on TikTok,
and I can assume with his little TikToks, right?
And I have a feeling the next few weeks are going to be,
will surprise a lot of us.
To be fair, though, to be the devil's advocate,
he couldn't even onboard people with a free $50 on the street.
If you guys remember.
Yeah, I do remember that.
I'm not going to explain the joke.
gonna explain i'm not gonna explain the joke okay never mind you're okay i wanted to uh i'm running
this on computer so it's weird it sometimes it doesn't show me it's mcgs up here now right
yeah okay perfect i sent you a request and that's like you're just now kind of showing up here uh
how are you brother good how are you doing well um What do you want to touch on anything?
I definitely want to get your opinion on some things.
I think Maxie had some really good points.
I think the exposure is good and the excitement from Switching Chains and Jesse Bull posting is good. One thing that I'm a bit concerned about is like kind of the new user experience on the core app because i
assume like a lot of the end game with all this is like bringing in new players and aside from
the ux and stuff i think we're at a point where kind of the like strategic meta is very advanced
where you know if you're competing in bronze,
you really need to know what to do to basically win anything.
And I think it's kind of a,
I'll ask to have new people come into the game and say, well,
if you want to win anything,
you need to buy like two dozen cards and buy whatever's, you know, uh, like the hot card
for a given week.
And you need to know that like makes he posts every other week and all these other things.
So I am like a bit, uh, like I was thinking about it, like kind of like when I started
playing and like, not really knowing many of the, you know, people that were on the app, like many of the heroes.
And it was kind of like my entry into like different parts of crypto Twitter.
And I think there is that kind of like discovery that can happen just from being interested in like the you know betting and
competition aspects of the game but like as a new player you're coming in and there's tons of people
who are you know more knowledgeable than you and have like these uh portfolios with every card that's needed on a given week and they know exactly
what cards they should have um so i am a bit curious like oh that kind of thing can be
navigated um but yeah yeah yeah 100 on that and yeah I'm not trying to flood, I'm trying to like be constructive here, because, you know, I want to see the project succeed. And I am I am very bullish, you know, a lot of like upside and like thinking about
like being the category definer of social fantasy, um, that, yeah, that absolutely has,
has to get addressed.
And this, this is the exact reason why, you know, most people play poker and fantasy,
you know, with their friends, with their cohort in a way that's like matched at skill level. You know, they don't jump into
like high stakes games with like sharks. Right. So, you know, a lot of the social experience
right now is like global and it's like this global competition. And that's just too high of a bar for most people to want to put like value at risk,
right. But, you know, if they're competing against their friends, or like, you know,
more skill matched, like cohort, you know, and it's like accounts that they know, and there's
not as much of like a learning curve for them to kind of be able to predict the, you know, hero performance and that, you know,
for the accounts that they follow, then that is a much, much lower bar.
So, yeah, it's like stuff like this.
It's, you know,
just kind of need to do user research about like, you know,
who is it that we're trying to convert?
And you have to talk to non-players and you have to show them, you know who is it that we're trying to convert and you have to talk to non-players
and you have to show them you know non-players the experience and get their feedback and
yeah I don't know I am a little concerned because you know just like the free-to-play stuff that
I've seen so far I don't think addresses these concerns at all.
So, you know, yeah, I mean, yeah, I would like to see.
I do think like the team is smart.
They're definitely ahead of this, you know, in some regards.
But like the window of opportunity, you know, is is pretty short.
And, you know, I think maybe we have a year left for like social fantasy. Like, I think
somebody is going to do it. It's going to go mainstream and I hope it's, I hope it's our team.
Um, and, but you know, but like, I, I really think like X is going to do something like this or like
there will be, you know, a lot of competition and, you know, there's this window with like Coinbase thing and,
you know, that, you know, the iteration needs to be much faster and there has to be a foundation
and kind of like they have to, you know, constantly be grinding that, that growth and
conversion number up because otherwise, you know, it won't be at the top of, you know,
the app list and it won't get featured. And, you know, you'll have to pay, you know, I mean,
like most of these app store business models, you pay for promotion and surely Coinbase is going to
be doing that. You know, they want to drive in and use and stuff. So they're going to emphasize
the apps that are, you know, engaging and bringing people back. people back and you know but if you don't
do that you're gonna have to pay for it so um yeah that's just kind of like where i see things and
yeah i just i just hope there will be kind of fast iteration and like that that conversion
number is going to go up, and yeah.
Oh, crap, I was muted.
Absolutely.
That's the thing, too, is it kind of ā like I think there will be a lot of competition.
We've already seen it kind of pop up and stuff.
And then also the Malt is up here as well.
Malt, how are you, brother?
What's up? What's up?
I'm good. It's Friday.
Yeah.
Yeah, you done with work for the week?
Somewhat.
Somewhat.
Always toggling back and forth between real Jonathan playing fantasy,
for sure.
Absolutely.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
So do you want to touch on anything that we kind of spoke about
or what do you think of the Free to Play app?
I like it.
I think it's a clean UI.
It's a great experience with sort of the XP and progression
and just even the new claim,
the daily spend thing and adding new deck slots.
So I think there's some good hooks for getting people engaged and addictive
and constantly trying to progress their way through.
But yeah, like makes you, you know, alluded to earlier,
just sort of like focusing on the onboarding experience and the
education of the game and making sure that that's clean and buttoned up and good. You know, sometimes
you say you only get a first impression. So I think if it doesn't go well, somebody's first time
getting them back in, you know, is a little bit harder. So I think they've definitely learned over the different versions
how important educating players on how the game works is.
And I think that they'll hopefully have some surprises
and some new things you maybe haven't seen yet when it's all finished.
Absolutely. Yeah, I'm excited for what's to come.
And then HKMLO, any of you guys want to touch on anything that kind of has been brought
up a little bit?
Like we've talked, I mean, a lot of things have been discussed.
So kind of want to pitch it to anyone else who wants to touch on things that have been
spoke about.
Just quickly on the, what makes you discuss right on the how i
think mcg mentioned it how a new user is going to even understand how to play like bronzing right
uh silver league and all that stuff right um i think the team are the team did post about the
academy all that stuff right so putting out putting content on the app right rather than if you're having to go to twitter ct just to like find out oh hk said you should pick this one star right
it should be on the app and something that you know how you have like uh whenever i play fantasy
football the real football in the uk right when you play fantasy football you know you have uh
on the app you kind of have like the top picks right you have um on the app you kind of have like the top picks
right you have it on the app you also have videos of like content creators discussing what's the
next what's the best player this week right undervalued options or differentials they call
it right i think the team are definitely doing that right so they uh they're definitely going
to be working on like getting content on the apps that users
don't have to go all the way to crypto to find profiles and you know look for look for
the you know the alpha basically right so I think that's definitely gonna help like
I said the game's a skill game right it's not an easy farm right it will take a bit
of understanding I do like the free to play I think it's pretty even though you know it's not an easy farm right uh it will take a bit of understanding um i do like the free to
play i think it's pretty even though you know it's free right i i've been playing it for the last few
few days uh it's kept me hooked on for the time being uh but uh yeah i'm looking forward to see
how the educational piece works you know uh because i'm kind of thinking how normal fantasy
football app works and stuff like that and i can definitely see the team trying, you know, because I'm kind of thinking how normal fantasy football app works and stuff like that. And I can definitely see the team trying to, you know, somewhat
mirror that so that, you know, new users kind of can, I guess, you know, just keep up to date with,
you know, what's the, you know, what's the big story heading into the next tournament and stuff
like that.
Yeah, I agree with that. I think that Travis and the team has made a lot of hints that they've been working on
the background with, you know, like a new version of making things a lot simpler.
And like, I mean, one of the things that has always made me stay invested in fantasy is that, yeah, from the beginning, there's, I mean, from the beginning, the timer, right?
Like, I think that kind of gave us, like, of how things were going to go, right?
So there's always been bugs.
And I think it's an app that like there's constant changes.
So from time to time, there will be bugs.
But one of the things that has always been encouraging is that they do listen to the community and they're not afraid to implement good feedback from the community.
Right. And which I think for crypto project,
not a lot of projects are like that, right? There's a lot of projects are very
territorial about what they're building and they don't let good feedback in, which is usually the
downfall to a lot of the projects that we've seen, and that's why i think um fantasy has grown the
the user base that that has and it's still here um after a year right so yeah travis has hinted
towards making things simpler because that's the number one feedback from a lot of new players that
like when you go in like there's just a lot, a lot of dopamine everywhere and
it's kind of hard to navigate. So with the free to play game, um, it's probably going to not going
to be exactly like that, but you do get a little taste that like things are a little simpler. Um,
it's, it's a little bit better to understand what's going on, right? And I think that's a big help, right?
The free-to-play is educational.
Like, it's really educational, and it's teaching you how the game is played
and as you're winning, and it's giving you dopamine hits, right?
And one of the biggest things that it has is, like, I think A. Abra mentioned it,
when you win certain cards and stuff it's already
telling you like hey like if you were to do this in the core app there's how much you'll be winning
right so which which is oh that's how you get the itch and then that's how you start converting
people right and then hk made a great point um uh travis has hinted towards that Fantasy Academy, right?
There's a lot of good content creators in the community.
And having that in the app and having, you know, like, I wouldn't be surprised if, you
know, the team gets HK to do some weekly educational content and stuff like that, right?
To get a lot of people onboarded, that's going to stuff like that, right,
to get a lot of people onboarded, that's going to help a lot, right? So I think they're trying to hit on all the pain points
that the current version has.
And with the resources of Alliance DAO and the resources of base,
I think that's what gets me, you know, excited, right?
Because that's a lot of smart people working together to make something successful.
Absolutely. Yeah. And that's one thing I'm glad they brought up, right, is the Fantasy Academy,
which Travis has pushed on a lot.
But, yeah, because that is the biggest point, right,
is like it's a complex game.
And I got to say, HK, I like your little jab about your football
being the real football.
It cracked me up.
But it's ā yeah, I'll just leave it at that uh is uh make see what do
you think about the uh academy app or like just kind of like the learning of the game
again i don't think that's sufficient so yeah i mean it's like um
sufficient. So yeah, I mean, it's like, um, uh, yeah, uh, seven, seven, 10 said, Hey,
makes you, you're not bullish enough. Thank you for your attention to this matter. So I,
I like that. Uh, and, um, but yeah, I'll never be afraid to like, bud my own bags. I'm not like just like, you know, a like just always a bull poster because, you know, I want to see.
The yeah, the asymmetric upside get captured.
I want to see this as, you know, D kings for social media. And yeah, so for that to happen,
you know, we're not talking about just educating people on how to play the core game,
you know, marginally increasing the number of users to like, you know, grow like 20% more
within crypto Twitter, stuff like that. You know, you know, or just like generating more bullishness
among existing players. But it's like, you know, something that's really like, you know, I mean, this is like the application is like
very visionary. Right. And, and I'm just very confident that this is going to be a category.
I just want to see this team capture, capture that upside. And I think they're confident about that.
But, you know, I mean, it's, it's always just like if you need to like see it, right?
So when I see it, I'm going to turn like super bullish.
But, you know, I just haven't seen it yet.
So I'm just like, yeah, saying what's on my mind.
No, I'm just busting your balls.
I don't want to make you feel bad.
But no, I always appreciate it.
No, no.
Yeah, I don't feel bad. But no, I always appreciate it. Yeah, I don't
feel bad at all.
But no, yeah, I mean, you guys
know I'm always like 120%
max bullish.
But no, yeah, realistically,
I mean,
it's not something that's
going to make everything triple
overnight. It's not that type of
thing. But overall, you know, thing.
But overall, I mean, I think it's just a new sense of direction
and kind of comfort overall for the project.
And obviously, you know, the mass goal is onboarding,
getting as many players, you know, on fantasy, playing as possible.
But, you know, that's just the start of it. You
can't do that. If you have bugs, if you have things breaking, if you have a confusing UI UX.
So, you know, all of that stuff isn't lost on the team. And you and it'll see that, you know,
with these upcoming announcements. But, you know, this is not like the finish,
this is like just the start
and there's gonna be a lot of hard work
once this is going.
It just hopefully makes things a lot more easier
and gives us a lot more freedom to do the fun things finally.
do the fun things finally.
Absolutely.
Heck yeah.
And that's a thing too, right?
Is like you make,
that's one thing you've always kind of said and done, right?
Is like why I call you,
and a lot of us call you and consider you the social fight guru, right?
Just like with friend tech and everything else,
especially with fantasy, you, you know,
say things that you want to see that can change to make things better.
Right. And like you said a little bit ago is you think someone,
and I agree with you on the fact that there will be a socialfy app,
this cycle that breaks through. I'm super bullish.
And I know it's going to be fantasy, but again, like you said,
you're hoping it's fantasy. So yeah, I'm super excited and it's good to get that kind of feedback,
right? Yeah. I mean, my background is in like, you know, web to social network growth or like,
you know, that's part of my professional background is like working with that type of data.
And, you know, one thing and, you know, Nikita Beer is is now the head of product at X.
OK. And like everyone's aware that like he was involved with Believe app.
You know, he's bullish on crypto now. And things are just really opening up for crypto.
And so, you know, with a lot of crypto, the competitors now are no longer other crypto apps.
It's going to be Web2, TradFi.
They're all getting in.
So it's like Coinbase is not competing with Kraken anymore.
Like Coinbase is not competing with Kraken anymore.
They're competing with Robinhood.
And yeah, so that has to be kind of like the mindset.
And there are things that these companies do, you know, that, you know, make them very hard to compete with.
So, you know, first of all, they already have the eyeballs, right?
you know, first of all, they already have the eyeballs, right?
But there are certain practices, you know, that like they have that, you know, just allow
them to, you know, develop, I think, better products for like a larger number of users.
And, you know, one of those things is just, you know just doing user research and talking to users that don't use your product.
And user testing with that type of group, getting feedback from them is super important.
Another is like A-B testing.
Almost no crypto app does that that I'm aware of.
that I'm aware of.
Coinbase wallet certainly will.
But, you know, it's just like, yeah, this sort of thing.
I mean, like that's kind of like the game that's, you know, going to be played now.
And, yeah, so, I mean, just have to find a way to grow into a much, much larger user base now, I think.
No, yeah, I was thinking about it a bit earlier, and I mean, definitely agree right now at this stage in crypto, you know, CT is super, super small.
And it'll be good not to get outside of that. But I do think eventually like
the way, the kind of direction of the space and just overall view of crypto, I mean, I think
eventually CT is going to, you know, obviously be a lot bigger than what it is, but I think,
you know, it's a chance. I don't think, you know, chasing something,
works really well because of just the people in it. And I think, you know, trying to chase another
industry like, you know, NBA, like going all in on something in hopes of branching out might not always be the best decision.
You know, I do think CT is a super special place.
You know, there's a lot of like incredible minds and, you know, creators in here.
And I think we don't really give ourselves a lot of credit.
I mean, I just think even like being able to talk to somebody
like Makesy, you know, I look up to him a lot and his thoughts and just like these like, you know,
everyday interactions that you get to have with people within CT is pretty crazy.
So, you know, I wouldn't sell, you know, sell it too short there. But yeah, of course, you know, I wouldn't sell, you know, sell it too short there. But, yeah, of course, you know, we want to definitely try and, as Meksy said, you know, cross that to the other side.
And, you know, we'll definitely aim to do that as well.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I've passed some, you know, feedback along recently. But yeah, I think there are ways to do it without, you know, going all in on another sector, you know, or just like saying, oh, boom, you know, we're doubling the number of like heroes and cards. And, you know, we're going to have NBA Twitter now, you know, and it's a new core league or something like that. You know, like, I don't
know, just, just looking at fantasy sports or like, you know, whatever else is like working
and is a familiar format, then that just really reduces the level of education that you have to
do if like the product is already something that they use in a different
area so like fantasy sports you know like people are doing drafts and stuff with their friends and
there's a viral component to that too and you know you benchmark the competition against like
your friends and um you know you could do something like that just with a with a take rate
you know in a way that doesn't actually even increase the card supply. It's just
like using the back end to like benchmark, you know, those competitions and those heroes that
people are interested in and value accrues to the protocol and stuff. And, you know, it doesn't
dilute the core game, you know, in any way, but it just like increases the TAM of the game and the niches that the technology serves.
So something like that is just additive, purely additive.
But yeah, I agree, obviously, about the value of crypto Twitter.
And crypto Twitter is material to Twitter itself. I mean, it's like, you know, like they get like a lot of attention and has like just a ton, a ton of reach.
So it's like, yeah, like I don't think X can lose crypto Twitter can afford to.
You know, it's like a big, big driver of engagement on X.
And, you know, they take it very seriously.
So, yeah, I mean, I think that that can grow as well.
But I don't think that can be like the sole focus.
Hey, Ibra, anyone else want to touch on that stuff i think i like the risk you guys i like the
conversation yeah i think we did a good job covering like covering it like i i don't like
no right like even i don't think the team knows, right? Like, whatever they
kind of implement,
if it will stick 100%.
But I think
with the base, right,
and with the runway, they've got
some grace and some leeway
to figure
it out. And,
you know,
if you think about it, and I hate to say this, but even if they don't figure it out and you know if you think about it and i hate to say this but even if they don't
figure it out like two years three years of of a game being this successful it's pretty good
accomplishment right and maybe this isn't the end game maybe something else spins off of it but like can you think of a game that you
played for longer than two years like i and again i'm just i'm not saying this to be bearish at all
but just think about it like you know your your copy of madden you're buying a new one every year
right like you you might have played God of War and you've beat it
and then you don't touch it
for however many months.
So like at the end of the day,
this is, it is a game.
We're not talking about like a DeFi protocol
or like an Aave or like, right?
Like not everything needs to last forever
or, but there's a solid core group of people that are have been enjoying this for one
year and let's not forget that and they've got two more years to figure it out like that's
that's pretty solid and i think we forget that sometimes like just no reason to kind of like
uh you know how passionate we can get in discussion and people are like,
there's no,
like nothing really needs to happen,
but they are going to happen.
And the team is making good decisions and I I'm bullish.
And basically,
you know,
if it works,
it works.
If she dies,
she dies.
But,
you know,
I think either way I'm happy.
Yeah. I, I, I agree with that. And, you know, I think either way, I'm happy. Yeah, I agree with that.
And, you know, like my, yeah, my bull posts are about like the floor.
I mean, it's like in the fundamentals, obviously, like two years runway on rewards is insane.
You know, so for skilled players getting, you know, over 50% APR, they can cover, you know, you know, easily cover,
you know, their entire principle, right? You know, just with tournament rewards in theory.
So, you know, like, yeah, I think that's very bullish. All my comments are kind of targeted
on like that, you you know big upside opportunity
though yeah i mean i think right now um you know fantasy one of the reasons why it's sustained this
long is because it's not one of those crazy volatile, you know, big win type of, you know, games and projects.
But as the time goes on, you know, sustainability, you know, with the economics of the minting and the supply and all that, you know, with SoRare and the Top Shot PTSD, you know, it starts to creep in.
in the top shot PTSD, you know, it starts to creep in, you know, with the crypto games and
even, you know, fantasy sports is, you know, kind of high turnover, not long life cycles.
But I think, you know, as Travis has kind of, you know, hinted recently, you know, a heavier emphasis on the trading card game aspect of fantasy.
Because there's, you know, there's a lot of proven models there with, you know, Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh!
in terms of supply control and utility and, you know, protecting the value of cards and, you know,
just the sustainability of the overall ecosystem.
So, you know, this isn't just fantasy sports. This isn't just social fi. It isn't just NFTs or trading card games. So we have a lot of, you know, different concepts we can kind of blend
together, which, you know, it makes it unique, which is why, you know, it's always been so attractive to me, just how it captures so many different things.
So, you know, we make sure to utilize, you know,
what's been proven to work from all those different areas.
And I think, you know, we'll be pretty good in that department.
Absolutely. Yeah. in that department absolutely yeah and that's uh as you know i like everyone mooney and i talk about it a lot uh being big you know pokemon the new gioh and then definitely magic uh player so we got
amp when we seen the trading card you know trading card summer from travis and stuff so i'm super
excited about that and then like yeah exactly
like ai brus said and um and everyone else kind of touched on as well is a lot of us have been
in crypto for a long time like at least two years on the low end but majority of us been here since
2017 2018 um and have like and like seven cents that there is that ptsd from top shot and you know even axes uh
and then um what was the other thing that i can't remember um the dang it okay whatever uh but yeah
so that's the thing is like they didn't even last this long and then another thing is like that
we've seen how determined these guys are, like, even including 7'10".
I get to see firsthand how hard he works.
Like, that dude, I'm pretty sure it's upgraded to robot or something.
I don't think the dude sleeps.
Like, he's talking, like, he's two hours behind me, and he's talking, like, shortly after I wake up, he's in there talking.
And I know he's up.
I see his messages, like like five, six, seven hours
after I go to bed. So these guys push hard. And they're always thinking about what's best for,
you know, longevity of the project. So it's, I'm really excited to see what everything brings in
the same time. Like, it's a fun game. It is fun as heck. Like, it's sticky, right? And a lot of
times I don't even like really
think about the rewards because my rewards go right back into cards right uh it's just it's
it's fun um then there's a lot of things that they can make a lot of moves and uh as we've seen also
they know how to pivot when they need to pivot and you know hold it if they need to fold something
right so um these guys are good at that but is there anything else anyone wants to kind of bring up, talk about, ask questions,
brag about any good polls this week?
I haven't opened my, I haven't opened my frags yet. Um, I've got, uh, solo babysitting duties
tonight with my daughter. So, uh so we'll be doing that together.
But other than that, I don't know if anyone else has gotten this DM from Otto
to buy his cards so that he can gamble,
so I picked off a Tyler Durin from him,
and I already spent my needs rewards,
but I will open the frags later tonight.
Yeah, I'm trying to work out a deal with him for a couple of his cards.
Yeah, that's when Otto says he's ā like, that's what's funny about Otto.
Like, bro says he wants to go.
He's like, I'll even start taking crap bids so I can gamble.
Yeah, that's the thing like you can catch him in this state where he wants to gamble on jades and just put a bid and it's up to him whether or not he wants to accept it you know usually he does
so oh yeah i'm going for that cbb i shouldn have said that. Now someone else is going to top bid me.
But yeah, it's...
HK knows.
I don't usually go after Epix,
but if I can get one, I'd have a good deal.
It's definitely a CBB,
which oddly enough has me block,
probably because I am pro-gen.
But yeah.
HK, MLO, the Malt, MCG,
what are you guys thinking?
uh nothing much to be honest i just got under the clem right so i packed two in the last two or
three weeks from packs right and then i needed three more comments for another rare so i got
two and then the next one was quite expensive but MLO
accepted my bid and you know so there's another rare uh he's a seven star this week so I think
he'll do pretty well and um yeah yeah I think I needed another Clem I think it's quite a good
card 12 just because he swings between eight and seven sometimes six as well sometimes so it's quite
uh a good time to hold.
But yeah, nothing much other than that.
My rewards weren't that great.
But yeah, no, it's going to be a good tournament next week.
And yeah, you know, we've got the pump fund launch tomorrow, right?
So the pump coin, I'm pretty sure that's going to be a big talking point
in the next week's tournament
and yeah no looking forward to it i'm going to drop off now anyways thanks for it's late for you
and i'll see you tomorrow morning um i have a bunch of questions to talk to you about tomorrow
yeah no worries i'll see you tomorrow see you brother get the rest
all right hey bro i seen you unmuted there for a second um you have something to say bro
i was gonna tell hk that i think otto's got a claim so he could bid on it
heck yeah yeah and uh that's a good point i just wrote that down for part of my strategy and we'll
talk about it again tomorrow too but i think hk made a really good point about the pump fun thing gonna be a big talking point
next week so i think the streamers like uh that stream over there whether it's you know ramp or
razzmer um and what's the other one that has the house uh why am i oh thread guy i think they'll
do well especially alon um i think they'll do well next week let's say alon i think he'll do really
good i need to check and see what he is star.
Didn't he do pretty well this week?
So I think he's kind of high star.
I usually have.
Yeah, he's a seven.
Oh, crap.
I was hoping he was like a five.
But he's still good.
He could still be an eight.
Exactly.
He's going to bang it out.
Dude, what do you guys think about real quick?
What do you guys think about Wall Street bets as a one-star next week?
I think that could be a top one-star, but I'm obviously putting Mixi in my top deck because that's my one-star every other week.
I'm going to just watch how things evolve over the weekend.
I've already bought a few Wall Street bets to to use and hopefully use but uh
i wasn't posting a lot this past week so i'm just gonna keep an eye on things
but with that wire network partnership news so i think something's gonna happen
heck yeah yeah because there was rumors that he sold they sold their account or like once or twice
and then like if you look at the car the speculation right but if you look at the chart it kind of
looks like it's off for a week or two and that like peaks back up but quite
not as high or whatever i don't think they actually uh the guy who founded wall street
but jb roganovsky or something he had a social media team that was running the account before
and apparently he fired him and now he does all the posting. Oh, wow.
That's sweet.
So that's maybe why he's not put as well for as good as the owner.
Yeah.
I'm about to clip that and get that out there because I did not know that.
That is good, Alpha.
I like one person I haven't heard talked about too much is KNV at two stars.
One person I haven't heard talked about too much is KNV at two stars.
I think that is very high upside unless he's locked or, you know, something else I don't know about.
So and then Lawrence, of course, at two stars, has a really high ceiling.
And HK mentioned, you know, NFT stats in his post.
One star is also good.
So, yeah, I just try to mix it up, especially with those one and two star combinations,
not do the same one too much just so you can hit if, you know, with different combinations.
Yeah, there's like every star level, there's a pretty good attractive looking option you know
it's going to be a lot there's a lot of options next week for sure it'd be interesting
yeah the five stars are looking really good too you have like a base 6 and z uh base carbon uh trader main rectober honey yeah
like ultra is falling off i don't know that's probably the one that you know i probably wouldn't
go on yeah
see that's nuts i yeah i used to do my research for the show book like before now for saturday
show but like that's my thing tonight no kids so i'm gonna dig in for the research tomorrow
and yeah you guys just helped me with some of that because i did not realize we had that many
good five stars so tomorrow's episode's gonna be nuts especially because bandits on and bandit's
gonna already told me he's ripping packs and stuff so it'll be a dopamine episode it's gonna be hard to make the decks too because it's really uh competitive it seems like it's
been like the last couple weeks though um and it's like shuffled up you know vo's always in
that top now um and same with like uh it's just like the whole leaderboard shifted and even with
these long-term heroes it seems like a lot of them kind of like,
it's just like a Yahtzee board where they shook it,
the dice up or the heroes up.
And like, now the ones that used to be like low end or mid,
low mid heroes are kind of up towards the top, right?
With the shift in the market.
And also with us shifting bullish,
I can see some of the ones that weren't doing as well,
maybe coming back alive, like a CBB CBB or some of those traders, right?
Yep.
But all right.
We've been going for about an hour and a half now.
Probably wrap it here.
Pass it around, see if anyone has any closing thoughts, and then we'll wrap it and then come back next week.
Same place place same time
i got a jet have a good weekend everyone
all right thank you everyone we will see you guys next week thank you
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