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FINDING THE NEXT WARHOL w/@JORDANLYALL ☀️☕️ GM W3B3 Morning Show Ep293
Recorded: Nov. 7, 2023 Duration: 2:00:33Space Recording
Full Transcription
What is up?
We're live.
There's Q.
Let's go.
Yeah, this is going to be an interesting one because my phone crapped out.
But we're going to go with it.
It's going to be great.
We're going to make it work, y'all.
Let's heck and go.
It's fucking Tuesday, November 7th.
And we got Vert here.
Dang, look at all the homies hopping in here already.
Love to see it.
Love to see it.
What's up, y'all?
Go ahead and do the tappy tap with the thumbs.
Share the room.
Like the room.
Repost the room.
Comment.
Vert's probably already down there.
I haven't even looked yet.
I just feel it.
I feel it.
Vert's probably already down there commenting away, doing what he does.
Being an absolute fucking goat of a legend of a fucking Greek god.
What's up, Cake?
What's up, Jawa?
Arts of Biden.
Great to see you.
Knox.
Great to see you.
We're going to get it kicked off here in just a moment.
We're going to get it kicked off here in just a moment.
All right, we're here.
Nifty Q sent you your co-host invite.
See you up here in a little bit, hopefully.
Hopefully you're good.
Hopefully you're all good.
Hopefully you're feeling well.
And hopefully you can hear me.
Because, yes, my ordinary device crapped out.
My screen is absolutely shattered.
It's destroyed.
It doesn't work.
So we're going to see how this goes.
I am coming in straight from my laptop today, which is not normally how my sound signal,
how my audio signal works on these shows.
So if we have any tech difficulties, be patient with us as we worked through that today.
But regardless, we're going to have a great hecking time.
It is Tuesday, November 7th.
And this is GMWeb3, the greatest morning show I ever created.
And it's the only GMWeb3.
The original.
Got to say that.
Got to shout that out.
And, yeah, we got a very special show today.
I mean, they're always special, if we're being honest, right?
Every GMWeb3 is non-fungible, is a unique one-of-one that we bring straight to your ear holes.
But today is especially special because we have a very special guest.
None other than the VenturePunk himself.
Co-founder, or I don't even know who's co-founder.
I think he's just the founder.
Creator behind many different amazing products and dApps and DeFi things and awesome things in the space.
But most recently, Prohibition.art, which is an awesome generative art marketplace built on the Artblocks engine on Arbitrum.
Prohibition.art founder, Jordan Weil.
Will be here today.
I believe he's coming in.
Top of the hour.
Top of the hour.
Should be fucking great.
Yeah, but anyway, feel free to come on up and hang out with us.
Don't be shy.
If you want to get in on the convo, just come chill up here and shoot the shit.
Chop it up on a Tuesday morning.
We're going up on a Tuesday, y'all.
That's what we're doing here.
What's up, Extinct?
What's up, Quantum?
Fool me what?
Nice name.
Manny Links.
Oh, shit.
Oh, right on.
Okay.
Nifty Q won't be able to hop in for a couple minutes here.
Okay.
Thanks for the note.
Well, you know what?
You're here, Q, and that's what matters.
So, yeah, we're going to kick it off here in just a moment and get into some news and headlines.
And, yeah, any of you that want to come and hang out, feel free to.
But, yes, very excited to welcome Jordan Weil on the show here today in just a little while.
Jordan Weil in just a little while.
All right.
I'm Gifdead, the Goku of Ethereum, a.k.a. Mr. Round Trip Gif.
A.k.a. many other things.
But we're going to kick it off with some music here in just a moment.
What's up, Jeff Jag?
Great to see you.
Oh, wait.
I got to go down and like and re-share the show.
I haven't even done that yet.
I'm slacking on my own advice.
Yo, Knox Darkness over here just, God damn, making us all hungry and jealous all at the same time.
Look at these.
Are those tacos?
I don't even know what that is.
But he's sharing some good-looking food items that he's making.
He's cooking.
Knox is always cooking.
If y'all don't know Knox, he's got his own diner, his own restaurant.
He's always cooking, sending us good-looking stuff that he's making.
But, yeah, man, I haven't even had breakfast yet.
So, honestly, kind of fucked up.
A little bit fucked up, honestly.
Oh, we got some friends hopping up here.
Love to see it.
By the way, I am going to, this is an important note, too.
I got to throw this one in here.
I'm going to need to rely on you, friends, today to help me be aware of any raised hands because I'm doing this on my desktop.
And I don't normally do it this way.
I cannot see any hands.
The desktop client is still kind of janky, y'all.
That's what I'm trying to get to.
It's still kind of janky.
So, help me out.
I'm going to be lacking a little bit of awareness.
I'm sorry.
I have my hand up.
Okay.
See?
There you go.
Oh, it got a laugh.
There was a laugh in there.
It was me.
Yeah.
What's that?
Also, can y'all, if I'm still running my normal soundboard through here, can y'all hear this?
Can you hear that?
No, fuck.
All right.
Well, that means, you know what?
Actually, that means we're probably not going to get any music either then, huh?
Now, see, this is the danger of testing out new audio.
So, if I play this, y'all can't hear this, right?
Don't believe it, thankfully not.
Oh, man.
Do you know how you just said, huh?
Did you hear yourself say, huh?
That's the American equivalent of A.
Ooh.
Hey.
All right.
I can see that.
I can see that.
And that's fair.
You know, we're all just folks from our own country.
We're all just country folks at the end of the day.
What's up, Keg Nygaard?
What's up, Jess, GM, and Mo?
Are we talking about The Simpsons still?
We can.
We should talk about it a little bit more because, honestly, it's a pretty awesome cultural moment.
And, you know, people have still been dissecting it.
I'm just sad.
I can't play.
I had, like, y'all don't actually know.
Look, I'm going to be real with y'all.
I'm going to come clean.
I spend more time curating, like, cool new music than doing any sort of actual research.
That's just, I mean, I'm sure when you actually think about it, it's probably pretty fucking obvious.
But I'm just sad that I can't actually play the song that I had queued up here.
And there's not going to be any music now until I get my phone screen fixed.
What happened?
So, apparently, Keg Nygaard, thank you for asking.
I throw my phone around at the gym too much.
I'm, like, always just throwing it on the ground or just, like, kicking it around or whatever.
And, yeah, that's what happened is it caught up with me.
And my screen is just absolutely fucked.
It's destroyed.
My screen said, oh, you want to treat us like that?
Well, fuck you.
And so, my phone is absolutely just fucking destroyed.
What's up, Paymon?
Holy shit.
Paymon's here.
Y'all, it's going to be a good day because Paymon's here.
That's how that works.
Well, Fungible was in here for half a second.
That was kind of cool.
Oh, I mean, he was in here for two seconds.
Well, that's not very cool, actually.
It would be cooler if he was in here for more.
I mean, he cropped us with us.
He cried.
It would be a lot cooler if you stayed.
Yeah, it would be a lot cooler if you actually, like, said hi or something.
But, sure.
Yeah, that's cool.
Y'all, we're kicking off the show.
No music today, unfortunately.
I'm coming straight through the desktop interface.
And, again, do appreciate the friends up here letting me know of any raised hands or anything like that
since I won't be able to see them.
And look at that.
We got Jess.
We got Jeff Jag.
We got Quantum.
We got Mo.
We got Cake Nygaard and even Chaz Gold.
Holy heck, we got a packed stage already with some of our favorite co-hosts and contributors.
This is going to be an awesome show.
And, like I said, it is a special one because Jordan Lyle will be joining us here in just a few minutes.
In a few minutes.
And what, you know, I'm hoping to dig in a little bit to, like, how he's thinking about discovering the next big artists,
working with artists, developing artists, how digital artists are taking over the art world.
I really do think that, you know, part of this whole digital renaissance that we're seeing is the emergence of digital art
as a much more viable and accepted, what was that, Chaz?
To God, I hope so.
Yeah.
Well, I think it's happening.
It's happening in real time.
It takes time.
You know, all this takes time.
But, you know, we can point now to several different instances, you know, of how digital art is starting to be accepted
more in sort of, like, the traditional art world, institutional art.
You know, it's all happening.
And, you know, some of it's a revolution, too.
You know, some of it happens regardless of the traditional institutions and gatekeepers.
Some of it's just about pop culture, you know.
But that's why this...
I like what they're doing over there, though.
That's why I'm excited for...
Because he was on the show, but not official on the show, right?
He just popped in that time before talking.
Yeah.
Well, Jordan Lyle's always pretty official.
But, yeah, like, maybe not as just, like, a key feature.
I don't know.
No, you know what I mean.
He graciously came in here and hung out and talked.
He's been on the show a couple times.
I'll say that.
Yeah, I think he was on when he launched Prohibition or right before it.
Yeah.
I think you had an official, official, official.
Well, and that's a good point because now we're going to have a little bit, maybe a little bit more to talk to him about, right?
Because they've been running the platform now for a little while.
They've dropped quite a few projects, some really cool ones.
Shout out Emily Edelman.
I happened to get her the Project Zero on the platform.
One of those, very special.
But, yeah, they've now...
Jimena.
Jimena's been on there.
They obviously have had the Snowfro, Heart Plus Craft.
They've had quite a few different interesting products, and it's been an open platform for a while.
So, yeah, there's going to be a whole lot more to kind of talk to him about.
What are the warnings?
What's he seeing?
What are the KPIs?
How's it going?
Where is it going from here?
And they have a very cool new partnership with Fiat that I'm sure we'll get into.
I'm sure he'll want to talk about and promote what's going on with that because it's...
I believe it's sort of like a generative art competition.
It's definitely about, again, discovering, you know, who are the awesome artists that want to collaborate and use their platform and that they can promote in their own ways.
Which, you know, Jess, you know something about that.
Artist partnerships and all that type of stuff.
Oh, I thought you were going to be like...
I didn't know where you were going with that.
Yeah, like I...
Could go anywhere, really.
I've been successful and I've been bruised and battered.
So, and I think like that's all part of the journey in the space is to take risks with every move you make.
And some of them turn out well.
And some of them not so well that you can tell your friends about it.
And then it makes the platforms or the services better, I think, in the long run.
Yeah.
And shout out, we've got CryptoSlam.
I wasn't even following CryptoSlam from my personal account.
So, you know what?
We fixed that.
CryptoSlam's hanging out with us right now.
That's cool.
Great tools.
We appreciate that.
Thanks for chilling with us here on a Tuesday as we kick off the show.
So, I'm like, actually, it's actually difficult and hard for me not to have my soundboard and music.
Like, this is like, I'm literally going through withdrawal right now.
You can't do it on the Web3 account?
What about the little buttons you can use?
Just voice it.
Just make the noise.
Do it with your mouth, yeah.
Pew, pew.
Sing.
Sing to us, Gif.
Do it with your mouth.
Hell yeah.
Or your butt.
Or your butt.
No, but aren't there little sounds that we can use on here?
These nuts.
These nuts.
Get it.
Wait, no.
There's a soundboard here, you guys.
This soundboard is just not as cool.
This soundboard is just kind of whack.
But, yeah.
See?
There he is.
We're not.
Balloonie Toons.
I'm so sorry.
We're not.
You know what that sound is?
This is totally misleading.
That was a stack of dollars or whatever bills with the wings on it.
Why does it sound like that?
Because it's a rug pull.
It's a rug.
Nice.
It's the market drop.
Yeah, I don't know what any of these are, but.
Shout out Micah.
Shout out Micah as well.
Skid Row Crypto.
Great to see you in here, Steven.
There's so many awesome people.
Go ahead and share out the room, y'all.
If you haven't, we appreciate it.
It makes a difference.
It doesn't cost you a thing.
Y'all know what it is.
Gets the algo moving, pumping, working in our favor.
And that's what we want.
We want more friends in here.
We want to make it a great day.
So, Squash Man, see you.
Jen, so great to have y'all with us on this very, very special.
Mo has her hand up.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
What's up, Mo?
Go ahead.
What?
No, I don't.
All right.
Now I'm getting.
Fuck y'all.
Fuck y'all.
That's me.
I'm going home.
Beautiful.
I'm going.
Oh, yeah.
I can actually mute.
You know, that is one function that I do have here.
I can effectively mute the whole space here.
It's the power that you need.
Yeah.
Can I try my soundboard quick first?
Cake.
Yes.
You can do whatever you want up on this stage.
I'm getting it set up here.
I'm getting it set up.
You could literally pull it on your pants and pee all over all of us.
That'd be totally cool.
What?
Christ.
What the fuck?
What?
Okay.
I don't want to do my soundboard anymore.
Okay.
We made it weird.
Y'all.
Oh, but Cake, what is up, man?
Give us a quick.
Give us a quick.
Yee-haw.
All right.
That was totally him.
This is going well.
All right.
Happy to have you here, Cake.
Like, if y'all don't know Cake, he's going to be the biggest artist on Magic Eden.
Thank you, Gift.
I thought you were going to say he's going to be the biggest artist on Web 3, like we're
going back to that machine.
I thought he was going to say on, I thought he was going to say on the world.
Right?
On the web?
Well, he is.
He is world-renowned artist and chainsaw artist.
I'm going to be the most well-known artist in the top row here.
Until we add another person to the stage and then it's going to move you now.
Wow.
This is rough.
People are rough today.
Cake, were you upset that you weren't in The Simpsons?
Because I was really looking.
And I was like, is that a cake?
Was he not, though?
Are you sure he wasn't?
I haven't actually seen it, so I'll check.
It happened either.
There was a lot of these weird-looking bumblebees.
So I did just share to the top a post that's like, you know, I watched The Simpsons frame
by frame.
Here's everything you missed, which I did go through just to see if there was anything
else, like, cool that they found.
I think most of the things I did see, except that there was, like, some silhouettes in the
train fighting scene that may have alluded to some things.
Like, they said they think that one of the shadows could be an early Solana collection
called Degenerate Ape Academy.
And, you know, I could see it does kind of look like...
Why does that matter?
It's...
No, like, honestly, it's an interesting question.
Because on its face, you'd be like, who fucking cares?
But these Easter eggs, like, actually do matter when you go look at the floor prices of a
lot of these projects.
And here's...
All the Simpsons NFTs pumps yesterday.
Yeah, here's...
Exactly.
Here's one of the funnest headlines, actually, to come out of yesterday.
This is on Decrypt.
And it's,
NFT traders respond to Simpsons roasting by spending millions on knockoff collectibles.
Of course they would.
That is the best part of all of this.
Just getting dragged to where I'm just celebrating it.
Yeah, the Simpsons-themed NFT projects surged on Monday after the seminal sitcom bashed digital
collectibles in the latest episode.
And so, yeah, there's like Chimpsons, Springfield Punks.
There's all these derivative knockoffs.
And honestly, all of these two, I would be worried about actually getting taken down, honestly.
But yeah, all these Simpsons knockoff, derivative, whatever, unlicensed.
Unlicensed.
I guess you could call them parodies.
But yeah, they all pumped off of the show.
And so did most of the projects that were featured.
Again, like a lot of these Easter eggs.
Like, you're like, yeah, why does it fucking matter?
Like, DGens love this shit.
That's why.
And the other interesting thing about it worth noting is that it was very strategic and smart
on their end.
Like, they know that NFTs and crypto are polarizing for one, but also that there's a bunch of crazy
diehard crypto bro fanboys on Twitter and online that will run with this shit.
And so we were already able to, like, look at the graphs of, you know, social engagement
around the shows and see that this episode was one of the most engaged with popular shows
that they've had in a long time.
You know?
So it worked.
Basically, they got all of us fucking talking about it, even though they kind of took a
shit on us.
They did it in a fun and interesting and nuanced enough way that we fucking love it.
They gave us so many more memes.
I mean, even just like having the reference of the Simpsons holding up a phone, anyone's
going to put their NFT on it now and it's going to be fun.
There you go.
Good call.
Well said.
But will they buy our bags?
That's the real question.
Are they coming to NFTs or are they just...
I'm not biting, dude.
I'm not doing it.
You're not biting my bags?
Well, let's, you know, so the other thing worth mentioning just in terms of like high
level market dynamics, and I'll try and go, I'm trying to multitask while we do this on
the desktop.
I'm still getting used to this, so bear with me.
But I'll try and go pull up the post from yesterday's rehash talking about the market
because I think that it's an interesting one from Punk.
What's his name?
NFT stats.
I'm going to fuck it up.
Where is it?
But basically, what's the takeaway?
The takeaway is he created a thread.
Oh, here it is.
Punk 9059 NFT stats.
Here we go.
So I'll pin this one up top from the rehash yesterday.
Yeah, he put together a little thread, basically the state of the NFT market in four charts.
Total ETH volume has risen for four weeks in a row, which is great.
So everybody's feeling like, you know, maybe we're coming, starting to come out on the other
side of this bear market and heading into the holidays with some momentum.
And it does look that way.
Volume is largely on Blur, though, where airdrop farming is picked up due to the imminent end
of season two and the token rising above 30 cents.
So season two of Blur airdrop should be coming soon.
Farming's picking up.
Unique wallets buying NFTs, though.
And this is an important, this is a very important point here that we've been talking about.
Unique wallets buying NFTs still has not risen at all.
Unique buy wallets just had the third lowest week in two years.
So it's basically just the same old folks buying NFTs, but not many new entrants.
Oh, go ahead, Jen.
Oh, yeah, we got you up here.
Hey, what's going on?
Thanks, Jeff.
I was just thinking, if they had put a Yeti in this episode, it would have been a full
bull market sign.
That is one of the clear misses, right?
Yeah.
They really missed getting a Yeti in there.
Absolutely agree.
You know what's really weird?
The Yetis GM me like every day.
And I don't know why.
It's because they still feel bad about your pan face, Yeti.
The one with the fucked up face.
That was a classic, Jeff.
Yeah.
I just think they still feel a little bit guilty about it, frankly.
I think they're still here and they're still rocking.
And that's what we need.
They're still GMing.
So, like, talk about brand loyalty.
And I just love the Yetis.
They're the best.
Absolutely.
How can you not love the Yetis?
And how can you not love the amazing friends who are over here?
Chiming in in the comments.
I see Chaz over here.
You know who has a shit ton of Yetis?
It's LeBelly.
There's probably quite a few friends from that era of Clubhouse.
He has, like, fucking 50 of those things or some shit, dude.
Like, six different wallets.
I'm like, bro, this is so funny, bro.
Like, you're so crazy.
I love it.
I mean, look, one day he's tapping into generational wealth via those Yetis, man.
So, you know, hodl your Yetis.
Would you sell if they went to a one-eth floor?
That's the question.
No way.
No way.
I have five.
So, yes.
You would.
Do you have snow demons?
I would.
Yes.
Did they ever breathe with a snow demon?
Yes.
I have land.
I have game land that I, Snow Yeti land that is the new game.
That's, I think Animoca is backing or?
No, I'm just spreading rumors.
It's the hopium.
The Yeti is the hopium.
Just saying.
Jen, your audio is sounding pretty clear.
Yeah.
Do you have a new mic set up?
What's going on with you?
Uh, sorry.
Am I loud?
No, it's just, it's a cheap $20 old school wired headset.
Thanks.
Sound pretty clear.
Yeah, not too bad.
Well, well done.
Happy to hear you.
Happy to have you here.
Happy to have all of y'all here with us if you're out there listening to our voice.
If you haven't shared out the room, go ahead and do that.
Shout out Jawa, Studio Payman, Paymon, of course, Extinct, the friends who are commenting
over there, helping us to get the algo moving, but especially to anybody sharing out the room
right now.
I'm trying to tap into some, like, I'm trying to tag in on some, some, some, like, bigger,
bigger people and stuff, like, people like Rob from Foundation and, like, a couple other
people letting me know.
Hell yeah.
Appreciate you.
Appreciate you.
But yes, get it out to some friends.
Let's get some more friends in here.
We do have a very special show lined up because Jordan Lyle, uh, Venture Punk himself and founder
of Prohibition.art will be joining us here in just a couple minutes.
Did you see my announcement?
I got my email.
Your email?
I'm getting featured.
I'm getting featured at NFT NYC.
Nice, man.
Congrats.
Uh-huh.
Again.
Yeah.
But still, it's cool, man.
Every time.
Continuing.
I was getting worried there for a minute.
I kept seeing all my friends, like, getting their emails.
I was like, where is mine?
Yeah, man.
Well, very happy for you and excited to see what you pull together for that.
Um, but all right.
Let's, uh, yeah, let's hit some more headlines and, uh, topics before Jordan jumps in here
in just a few minutes.
Uh, we can wrap up.
Let's wrap up the Simpsons combo.
Obviously, I think we all agree that not having a Super Yeti was, was a massive miss.
Any other thoughts or takeaways from all of this, um, other than the ridiculousness of
people buying a bunch of Simpsons knockoff NFTs?
Yeah, I posted at the top.
Um, I really love the post from All Seeing, um, or whatever, Seneca.
I don't know.
What is her handle?
All Seeing something?
Anyway.
All Seeing Seneca.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Okay.
Um, I thought, I thought her post, uh, was really awesome because I can imagine that's
a pretty surreal moment for her.
So, uh, yeah, I posted that at the top.
It was pretty cool.
Well, what exactly is that?
Is that her drawing?
Um, those are her, like how it started, you know, like her drawing like different apes
and different ideas she had for the apes.
Um, and then how it's going is the scene grab from, from, uh, the Simpsons.
So, is Seneca the artist behind Bored Apes?
Yes.
Yeah, they, they care about artists so much.
Where have you been?
I didn't, I didn't know that.
I mean, look.
They, they, they told her to be quiet.
Right.
She drew them and here's money and go away.
And then she was like.
They sent her back into the kitchen.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Wow.
Joe.
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
You guys, have you guys, I just read.
Canceled.
This whole show just got canceled.
I just read this morning, they have a term in Silicon Valley called the Dave to female
ratio.
Have you guys heard of this?
No, no.
Oh, it's good.
You should look it up.
It's like, as long as you have as many Dave's as you have females working for the company,
you're supposed to be all good.
That's funny.
Right.
Does that have anything to do with tip to tip?
What?
What?
Y'all, we're, this is a Tuesday.
This is not a, this is not a thirst trap Thursday.
Yes.
Pause.
Please put a pause on all that.
Anyway.
All right.
We're having fun.
That's good.
Love it.
Love to see it.
Love to hear it.
Is Nifty Q here?
Is he just, he keeps waving.
He's just canceled.
He's trolling.
He's trolling us with thumbs down.
He's not, not contributing anything other than just abject criticism and negativity up
here.
Appreciate that.
Just remember.
As long as nobody brings up tummy sticks, we're good.
Once Q gets back, there won't be a show.
Yeah, that's fair.
Hey, Ripple was pumping yesterday.
Apparently, Ripple is getting adopted into a whole bunch of stuff.
We didn't talk about that.
But, uh, why do you keep trying to make this happen?
Because it's, because Ripple is so fetch, bro.
All right.
It's so fetch.
And yeah, nobody, nobody talks about what's happening with Ripple over here in the DGen
land.
But isn't Pauly behind Ripple?
Pauly is behind Ripple?
What?
Isn't that what the whole conversation was?
What?
Didn't he get in a fight yesterday?
Yes.
Also, Q had a hilarious take on Pauly.
Uh, I don't know if we can find that.
But yeah, I'm going to try and find that because I thought it was hilarious.
He's basically just calling out what a, what a, yeah, what a trash human this dude is.
I said, ain't no way there's a dude with moobs like that talking that much smack.
Yeah, he's got, he's definitely got, he's got moobs for sure.
Q was calling Pauly out.
Did you see the video yesterday?
I was not calling Pauly out.
You're calling Pauly out for sure.
Boxing match.
Everybody, everybody go tag Pauly on Nifty Q.
He's body shaming him.
Yeah, on Nifty Q's post.
Fully body shaming Pauly for his large male breast.
There's small moves, but then there's, there's larger boobs and he's on the spectrum on that
right side.
He could be wearing a bra, but that's fine.
That's fine.
Q, would you fight Pauly on a pay-per-view event?
Just say yes.
Just say yes.
And in the Coliseum.
Now I have to push back on this because I think obviously Pauly is a polygon supporter.
Okay.
You got to push back on the breasts.
Just like, it's like he needs a bra.
With both hands.
A bra could do some of that pushing back for him, actually.
Now everyone's joining in on the body shaming.
Yeah, this is, hey, I just thought I was touching boobs.
Y'all, we're all trying to get canceled here.
That's apparently the name of the game today.
Welcome back to the speakeasy, apparently, where it's fun for us to try our best to get
canceled.
Yeah.
Is Pauly, and who's the other guy, Ryder Lips?
Ryder McRibb.
Are they still friends?
That's a great question.
Who cares?
But also, somebody can figure that out.
If I got canceled with someone, would I still be friends with them?
Probably.
BFFs.
BFFs forever.
Well, then you got sued, you know, $13 million.
Cancel buddies.
If anything, that forges the bond.
Exactly.
Cancel buddies.
Yeah.
I have a take on this.
So, I know that everybody, like, in the space hates him and blah, blah, blah, and whatever,
and he got sued, and he lost, and he owes money.
I'm telling you, that is one of the best performance pieces ever.
To get sued by somebody who's that big, wealthy, and important in any kind of space.
And I know you guys, like, are going to say whatever you say, but I said this a few months
back, where I see the New York Times or whatever, like, art form or whatever, writing about Ryder
Rips, but they're not writing about Yuga in that serious way.
So, Ryder is actually getting what he wants out of this, which is, like, notoriety in his
field and, you know, fighting whatever fight he wants, but it's a performance piece.
I think it's almost like a badge of honor.
So, I know everyone's like, oh, he got defeated, oh, he got sued, he owes money.
I think he's fucking A-OK.
So, OK, I think there's something to it, just in terms of both Ryder, Rips, and Pauly absolutely,
like, rode this Yuga FUD strategy to basically being household names within the space, more
or less, right?
So, they built an entire business model off of trolling Yuga.
And, yeah, so there's something to that.
They will forever now be in the history and the lore of the space.
You know, it's like you can't really scrub them off as hard as you try it.
I want to at this point.
But, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
If it is a performance, sure, everything's performance art if you want it to be, then it
was definitely also a pretty self-destructive one in a way.
But, hey, yeah, maybe they got the fame and attention that they were seeking.
And there's something to that, for sure.
I did also want to chat a little bit about this interesting thread from Balaji that Q found
yesterday, which is pinned up top.
Yo, by the way, we got to take a moment.
Shout out, Ronan.
Great to see you.
Is that actually Matt Cain?
Holy shit, Matt Cain's in here.
What's up, dude?
It's great to see you here, too.
Yeah, let's hit briefly.
By the way, feel free to come on up and talk with us if you'd like.
Let's talk briefly about Balaji's thread pinned up top.
We covered this in the rehash yesterday, but we didn't talk about it on the show.
Just because I think it is interesting and cool, and I'm curious if anybody agrees or
has any thoughts on it.
And the gist of it is that this whole SBF, FTX saga, he's basically trying to pull together
the receipts on it and point out that while our institutions completely failed us, it was
basically Congress, the New York Times, established journalists and institutions that are supposed
to protect us and make us aware of the world around us.
While they were kissing SBF's ass, while they were promoting this man, it was actually crypto
Twitter that unveiled his fraud and did the journalistic work to actually show him out
to be who he really is.
So yeah, it's kind of just a really interesting thread there.
I don't know if y'all checked it out or if you have any thoughts on that.
You know why, Kif?
Is that Biggie?
Yeah, that's Biggie.
What's up?
I feel like we're all visiting you in a hospital.
GM, brother.
Yes.
Because you can't see us.
I'm fully blind.
I'm flying blind up here.
I'm flying blind.
He's talking to my ear.
Be gentle.
Oh, man.
Did he say something?
No, Biggie.
Why, Biggie?
Is that you, Grandma?
You kind of killed the anticipation of it all.
But I mean, I think it's very clear why Web3 was the one to unveil SBF.
And it's because we're all about self-sovereignty.
And, you know, as degen as we might be labeled as, we take responsibility for our shit.
Most of us do, at least.
And we like to sleuth on our free time.
And so that is why it was us who caught up with us shenanigans.
You say that so beautifully, but I think it's just because we're all trolls and we're looking for justice.
Trolls for justice, you know.
Potato, potato, Jess.
Potato, potato.
That sounds like a great PFP project.
Trolls for justice.
Trolls for justice.
Yeah, and we'll get Pauly and Ryder to run it up for us.
The other thing to add to Biggie's point is the transparency of the blockchain, right?
Like, you mentioned there being sleuths.
Well, those sleuths love to look at the transparency that we get.
And at the same time, when we're up on Capitol Hill, they're saying crypto is being used for XYZ and it's used to hurt people.
It's clearly proved out its use case with SBF.
Yeah, no transparency on their part, though, right?
Yeah, that's the thing is we couldn't see all of it.
I think Bankless, like if you look back, Bankless had him on like two days before the collapse of FTX.
And they had him on, I forgot what his name is, one of the big ETH guys.
Yes, Eric Voorhees.
And like Eric is, first of all, balls to the wall, like a great interviewer and really smart person.
And he was just going straight at him.
And Sam just couldn't hold it.
And everybody like points down, like Sam realized he's fucked and there's no way out of it.
I think he spent months of hoping their bull run was coming back and that he would be able to recash flow everything,
which you know he wouldn't be able to do because everybody in the bull run thinks it's only going to go higher.
And Sam was just feet to the fire, was just done.
And two days later, they pretty much were gone.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
Well, and then you can't discount CZ's sort of piece in the whole thing.
Attack.
Yeah.
Well, he kind of was the one that like flicked the initial domino.
Like once he knew that there was like some weakness or something there, he was kind of like, oh, what if I just kind of do that?
He flicked more a testicle than a domino, I think.
Flicked a random testes.
And Sam, you know, ultimately crumbled.
But he tried to draw blood first, if I remember correctly.
But CZ is not, yeah, he's not an angel in this, so.
Yeah.
Yeah, none at all.
I think the important, like, thing to put a button on this whole thing is that the crimes committed were done in Web 2,
and they were fraudulent in Web 2, regardless of all this.
We still got hurt.
GIF, we're all throwing up hundreds, GIF.
Can you hear us?
Whoa, did GIF get completely wrecked?
I hope not, but I'm happy to host the show.
Yes, I can hear you.
Nifty Q has me running around trying to do, you know, he's trying to get me to run errands for him,
because, yeah, he's also, yeah, this is a technical mess, because my phone's fucked.
I need some butter if you're out.
Yeah.
Y'all, share out the room.
We got Jordan Weil hopping in here in just a couple minutes.
Extremely excited to talk to him.
How many people have bought on Prohibition?
Like, how many pieces?
I definitely have.
I've bought, like, multiple things on Prohibition.
All on Arbitrum.
Okay.
And mostly reasonably priced.
And a lot, some of them were free, if you collected from a number of artists who, like, were early.
And they were gifted.
I was gifted a bunch from different artists that I collected early.
So, Jimena, I think, did two drops on Arbitrum.
Yeah, she did one, I think, during the...
She was the one of the first 10 or first 11.
Yes, she was one of the curated first 10 drops.
And then I think she also did one during the Art Blocks event that was in Texas.
Yes, I think so.
Yeah.
That one I didn't get, unfortunately.
Yeah.
But, yeah, shout out Jimena.
She's definitely got some cool work over there if you want to check it out.
Actually, some of her, some of my favorite collections of hers are over there on Prohibition.
She's renaming herself her punk number.
So, just give her a moment.
Is that, wait, is that a legit punk or it's a V1 punk?
No, no, it's a legit punk.
Oh, shit.
I fucked that up.
I thought it was, I thought it was a V1.
I didn't realize she actually got a legit fucking punk.
Holy fuck.
I watched all the trades happen.
I was like, ooh, Jimena.
I'm not really, because you guys were talking about this in the space the other day.
I was just listening in about what version or whatever she got.
What a way to try to downplay somebody.
Like, oh, it's only a whatever, whatever.
Like, she got a punk punk, right?
Yeah.
She got a legit punk.
Like, awesome.
She got a legit punk.
No, but I mean, look, but there's a difference between a V1 punk and an OG punk.
Like, I'm not going to treat every V1 punk the same way that I treat a punk.
Like, they're different.
Oh, boy.
That's hilarious.
That was rude.
Biggie's a V1 moonbird.
I know that.
Well, there is only one.
Joe, I want to say for you, though.
Say you have a V1 punk and you have an OG punk.
You can be in both of those discords and all those chats, right?
Are they going to hate on you because you have both and you're using, like, the community resources from both?
Because, like, that would be a move that I'd be interested in if I, you know, spent money on JPEGs.
You can have multiple wallets, right?
So, I mean, who knows?
Yeah, but if you're going in, you don't want to be anon.
You want to be like, hey, you know, I'm Quantum Variant and I'm, you know, kicking it in the V1 punk and the OG punk discord.
Can we actually talk about this honestly here?
Like, are y'all going to tell me that you see somebody rocking a V1 punk exactly the same as you see, like, a legit OG punk?
I don't treat them different.
Is this PFP?
I'm not saying that you treat them like a lower, like a subhuman.
I'm not saying that.
That is not what I'm saying.
I'm saying from an art appreciator collector standpoint, like, you don't say, like, oh, your V1 is just as cool or the same thing.
Like, I think they're different.
Yeah.
It's a poor punk.
Yeah.
Do they look different?
It's been so long.
This is how I feel about mutants.
Yes.
Yeah, I said it, mutants.
Down there.
No, I'm just kidding.
They look the same.
It's so bold.
It's so brave.
They look the same.
So that means I have to be petty enough to look up someone's punk to see if I'm going to treat them away or not.
By the way, Paymon, I'm trying to get you up here, man.
I've tried to approve you several times.
You might be rugging or I might be rugging.
Q, you can try and allow them up.
But you might want to hop out, hop back in.
Because I'm trying to let you up and it's not wetting me.
I think this stage is full.
Oh, maybe.
Maybe that's it, too.
Well, you know what?
We got some awesome people up here.
Feel free to hang out as long as you want.
If you want to jump down, feel free to do that, too.
But, yo, I'm just happy to be surrounded by some amazing people right now on this show.
And, of course, again, excited to welcome Jordan here in just a few minutes.
Yeah, I got a concession.
Oh, please.
Yeah, we like those.
Yes, my son.
First of all, I don't know.
I don't know about the sun reference.
But second of all, I sold my SUPDUCs today.
It's been a long ride.
It's been a long ride.
Did they pump?
Did they pump?
Oh, yeah.
Did they pump?
Oh, wow.
This is exciting.
I picked 400% today.
I picked one up.
In one day.
Congrats, man.
Wait.
Wait.
So you wouldn't sell your Yeti at one, but you'll sell your SUPDUC at 0.25?
I'm never selling my Yeti.
There you go.
I mean, they're only back up to, like, 0.1.
They're like, I got to 0.15, buddy.
So you flipped them all at 0.15.
All right.
Congrats.
Okay.
It's a little tax write-up.
But this is important because you gambled and you won.
My guy goes, did they pump?
And then you go look, and it's like, they just went up to 0.15.
Money, money, money, money.
I don't know.
If you put an ETH into SUPDUCs yesterday night, you're sitting on four ETH.
Wait.
You did it yesterday night?
No, this hypothetical person, not the person that's sitting on two years worth of waiting
for this thing and then selling it.
The incident goes up.
Did you speckle?
It's somebody else.
Yeah.
Did you speckle?
Never speckle.
Y'all, actually, that's a great reminder.
This is not financial advice.
We're not financial advisors.
I know that we sound very smart, and we are sometimes.
But nothing we talk about on these shows should be misconstrued as financial advice.
Always do your own research, and it's all public domain information.
Y'all know what it is.
NFA.
Jordan's in the house.
Yeah.
Heck yeah.
But I was just going to follow that to the camera with everything that I say is financial
advice, and I advise you all to invest in purchasing a home before you go and buy another
$500,000 PFP public service announcement.
You're welcome.
That would have been smart.
I was going to say you can't turn a home 2X in the U.S., but apparently, you know, you
can only do that in a year.
You can in Brooklyn.
Yeah.
Brooklyn, you can.
So I am probably going to need at least one person to hop down if we're going to get Jordan
up here, if the stage is full.
I don't know.
But yeah, Jordan, come on up whenever you're able to.
I'm trying to add people.
I'm using my desktop today.
It's going to be fun.
But yes, Jordan is here, y'all.
Well, this isn't YouTube, but smash the like, whatever that means here for you.
And yeah, let's get some more friends up in here because we're going to have a very,
very cool conversation.
Jessica, were you upset?
Do you think Gordon Garner has a home?
And so now it's OK for him to spend $1.4 million on a punk?
As long as he has a home.
I need his stats.
It's like, is he married?
Does he have a family?
Did he pay off his student loans?
No, he didn't go to school.
You just go down the list.
Do you have credit?
Do you have credit debt?
Do you have student loans?
Do you have a home?
Once you check all those things off, then yes.
Have you donated to a shelter recently?
Did you say he didn't go to school?
I said Gordon Garner, I don't know if he went to school or not.
I think he did.
I think he went.
I think that he met the other guy at school, actually.
And there were like writers together or something.
What is this conversation happening right now?
I have a mental checklist of things that you should be paying for before you buy a $500,000.
It's like people that live in an apartment but drive like a real fucking nice car.
It's like, wow.
No, just fucking get it together.
This is when I wish I had my soundboard.
And yeah, you could just be spamming the nope.
But anyway, no, I appreciate it.
Wait, before you say nope about that, if you had $500,000 in your pocket right now,
you're telling me you would not invest that in property and a home?
We're not here to talk about sensible decisions.
You want to talk about JPEGs.
We're here to talk about JPEGs.
Jess, yeah, I think you're thinking about the next, yeah, like the show after this show
where it's like moderate, responsible individuals trying to actually figure out how to live a productive life.
That's not this show.
I didn't waste a year and a half of a bear market to, at the beginning of the next run, put $500,000 into a house.
Yeah.
I would have done that a year and a half ago.
Don't you have a house, Q?
I'm living in a house.
Yes.
He's living in a flying place.
You're not living in your mom's house.
And he doesn't have any sub-docs either.
Let's play a game called Let's Docs Q.
I know he's around Charleston.
If we could triangulate.
If anybody's got any other personal information, I know his full name is...
That's close enough.
It's Charleston, Rhode Island, though.
On a more serious note, holy heck.
Hi, Jordan.
Jordan here.
Hey, friends.
What's up?
I swear, Jordan, we do talk about news and serious things sometimes.
I swear it's true.
I will say diversification is very important.
Homeownership is not for everybody, but it's something you should consider, for sure.
Right on, man.
All right.
Already coming in here with the alpha.
Love to see it.
But yes, thank you for coming in here and joining us on a Tuesday episode.
You know, I could sit here and probably do my darndest to introduce you.
You know, I could talk about Prohibition, Venture Punk, Skylab, Consensus, NIFTIs, all the different
things in your bio, but I'm sure you could do a better job giving us a quick intro for those
who are uninitiated, just reminding everybody why you're one of the most prolific and interesting
build doors in the whole space.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
Awesome to be here.
It's always fun to check in with you guys.
I've said this every time I come on one of your shows or events.
It's like Q was one of the first, if not the first platform to host me in the early
days of like the NFT space back in 2020.
So no matter what happens, always give love for your community.
It's been awesome kind of riding these last two years with you guys.
So as always, thanks for having me.
Yeah, I'm Jordan Myle.
I'm in the LA area.
I like to build things in Web3.
I'm really good at starting stuff, as you may have seen if you've been following my career.
What happens after that is a different story, but I really like starting new things and launching
new platforms and communities.
And lately, it's been about NFT platforms.
I'm currently founder and CEO of Prohibition, Prohibition.art.
It's a long form on-chain generative art platform.
And yeah, but I've been building kind of in the early days.
It was exchanges and DEXs and then DeFi stuff.
And then in 2020, with the launch of Meme and Don't Buy Meme, it's an early NFT platform
in 2020.
And ever since then, so for the last three plus years, I've been in a building in this
NFT space and getting to work with artists and helping them launch projects and help giving
them tools, giving them a platform, allowing them to earn a living in many cases.
So I love this kind of this intersection of this blockchain technology and art.
And it's just so fun and creative.
And yeah, I'm always doing something.
I've always got some new ideas.
So it's always fun to...
That's how I create is like launching new products and new communities.
So yeah, I'm just always having fun building.
So as always, thanks so much for having me.
Yeah, of course, man.
And yes, Prohibition.art, very, very awesome new platform that we're going to be digging
into here in just a moment.
And I definitely want to get into and understand what exactly is going on with this Fiat partnership,
the GenArt competition.
So we'll talk all about that in just a little bit.
I did want to, of course, say thank you for the kind words about my main man Q up here.
I know he's not great at accepting kind words and compliments, but I'll just say thank you
for him on his behalf.
One of the cool things, actually, just to note that I've been thinking a little bit about
that I think is pretty cool is that this network, the Web3 network now has two of the longest
standing, longest running shows in all of Web3 and NFTs, I believe.
This one getting close to episode 300.
And then NFT Live, which you're referring to, it's probably close to 400 episodes at this
point.
So pretty cool on that.
The first GM Web3.
The original GM Web3 right here, ladies and degenerates.
But all right.
I was actually, I was posting the show here on X.
I was trying to get as many folks in here as possible, but I was like smiling the whole
time.
I couldn't come back and unmic, but Jordan, I appreciate you a lot, man.
And he's a great innovator in this space.
And I think that that term is probably overused for a lot of people.
I think a lot of people ride on the coattails of a lot of people that actually like to innovate
and do new things and try things and see what sticks.
And Jordan is like the premier builder when it comes to those things.
And he's been a part of a lot of these, I guess, like evolutions that we've seen happen
across our timeline.
And he's been right at the forefront of those.
So yeah, excited for him to be here, man.
It's awesome.
And that's actually a good sort of setup for the larger conversation that I'm hoping to
also get into, which is this sort of idea of, you know, catching, not just catching a
wave, but like really trying to create the trends, get ahead of them.
Because it seems like that's something that you've been remarkably good at is kind of,
you know, I don't know if you want to say like keeping your ear to the ground or just
sort of understanding how the space and the technology tends to move and thinking ahead
a couple of steps.
And it seems like, you know, that's a big part of what you've been doing with prohibition.art
kind of, you know, thinking towards where is art going, where NFT is going, layer twos,
all this type of stuff.
So that is part of what I want to get into here in just a moment as well.
But maybe before we dig in deeper on prohibition, how you're, you know, setting yourself up and
sort of think about getting ahead on all of that.
I did see you post recently, Jordan, about, you know, how you kind of, how and why you
transitioned from being more of the DeFi guy into being an NFT guy.
So I wanted to kind of set you up with that if you just want to share a little bit more
because you kind of alluded to it, you know, now you're focused on NFT platforms.
Like, why did you make that transition from DeFi into NFTs?
And are you still feeling good about it?
I'm still feeling great about it.
You know, my background prior to blockchain was creating mobile apps, creating like consumer
apps, I, prior to Web3, I had a mobile app company that got acquired by JibJab.
If anyone's familiar, if anyone's as old as me, they remember JibJab in the late 90s, early
2000s.
They did Elf Yourself, and they did a bunch of fun, fun digital products.
And it's all about kind of creating fun on the internet.
And so they acquired my company.
I worked there for a few years, and it's all just about, you know, making people smile
on the internet.
I then, after spending time there, just kind of fell in love with blockchain technology,
with the idea of smart contract, the Ethereum ecosystem.
And it was like, wow, I can actually build products on the blockchain.
And so I then, you know, jumped in full time.
And it was fun experimenting in the early days of like 2017, 2018, of building in crypto.
I, you know, personal finance is also an interest of mine.
So it was really cool thinking about, okay, how do we bring in more people into crypto?
And how do we let them, you know, use DeFi?
And how do we make it more accessible?
But at a certain point, it was just like, man, we're just building financial software.
That's not super fun.
I need that creative piece.
So it was in the summer of 2020, what we refer to as DeFi summer.
We don't have to jump into the whole meme story.
I've told that a million times, unless you guys really want to.
But it was like this kind of spark and this certain time and a place where this community
came together.
And the goal was to create silliness on the internet again.
And we thought, what are two things that are kind of taking off right now?
Or what are interesting things?
And it was, NFTs were getting interesting again.
And everyone was farming tokens.
So we thought it would be fun to mash the two together.
So we launched Don't Buy Meme in August of 2020.
And it was all about staking your token and earning NFTs.
So it was pre-Art Blocks, pre-Top Shot.
We were doing some really cool things about, instead of just forking over ETH to buy an NFT,
you could kind of earn it in a sense.
And it was really that point that was a major inflection point for me, because now I was
connected to artists.
I was still getting to build on this crazy new cutting-edge technology.
But I could do it with the creative side as well.
And it was merging the two.
We can now, like there's now a use case.
There's now providing lots of value other than helping rich people get richer.
It was like helping artists earn a living on selling their digital art.
And that was kind of an unlock for me of like, we're using this technology for a really good
use case.
And of course, I'm still a fan of decentralizing, you know, the sending of money around.
I'm big fans of removing the middleman and allowing people to get loans on DeFi platforms
and all that.
But now it's really exciting, because now I get to build at this intersection of tech
and art.
And we can get into it as well.
But, you know, for anyone that's been following along a couple of months ago, I launched my
own generative art collection with this kind of up-and-coming artist called Snowfro.
And that was a huge unlock for me personally.
Yeah, Snowfro.
It's kind of this strange name.
He's a big fan of internet rainbows.
And I somehow was able to launch a collection with him.
And so the journey has been pretty crazy of getting to, you know, collect and then build
and then now create.
So it's been such a fun few years here.
It's been a blast.
But hopefully that answers the question of like, you know, coming across into NFTs and
why I feel like I'll always kind of be in this spot.
But yeah, so it's kind of just digging deeper into the rabbit hole like a lot of us do.
You know, you start with the Bitcoin, you get into smart contracts and you get into DeFi
and you get into, at least that was my story of like, just keep riding the wave, as you
said, and keep kind of just drilling down.
Yeah, man.
I just want to comment, just like being there for the meme launch, it was very much a bridge
between what was happening in DeFi and what would eventually happen with NFTs.
And there was a lot of energy around it.
And Jordan, the more, the farther I get away from it, the more I realized like the social
commentary piece of what you guys were doing as well, because like the NFTs were around
like big figures or potentially big events that had happened in crypto's history.
And you see that with a lot of artists now, like they're, it's more like social, like
people's doing that with everydays for the most part.
And there's a lot of others that are doing that.
And I think that had a big piece and it was one of the main reasons why that was such an
interesting, energetic platform was like the commentary on the space.
Yeah, I think you're right.
And it all came back down to memes.
And like, uh, for those that know the origin story, it was, it really started from a silly
tweet that I had posted and spread virally.
And then it became this community.
So at its core was always just about commentary, just about commentary on the space.
It all started because I was building DeFi products.
My goal was to make it easier for newcomers.
Uh, so I was, you know, thinking about risk by day.
And then at night I was FOMO-ing into these DeFi, uh, pools and it was just a crazy time.
Um, and it was like, how are we going to make this safe for, you know, general consumers?
So it was, it was all kind of commentary.
And, uh, and then, yeah, as you mentioned, those first few collections was really, um, it's
funny looking back, but, you know, we, we, we released the meme cards with Satoshi and
Metallic, of course, but then we also got into SBF.
Um, and so it's funny to look back in there to one of the first collections was, was, um,
SBF all, you know, years prior to anything happening with FTX.
But, um, yeah, it was all just about the meme.
I think that's kind of always been, that's always been the thing.
The meme, meme kind of came first, which is interesting.
A lot of people or a lot of companies, they try to build a community and then build a product
and then sell a token.
And then maybe there's a meme that comes afterwards that helps spread the idea.
But it was interesting to kind of flip it on its head and you start with the idea and
that, or you start with a meme and then the rest kind of came around it.
I think it's, it's interesting, um, to think more deeply about memes as art and to try and
think like it, it's almost like memes are in a way the graffiti of the internet.
And I could see how memes in the future have their own studies and galleries and museums,
just like, you know, now you can find high-end graffiti artists, people like Banksy or, uh,
you know, many others, um, who are, you know, treated as, you know, high-end artists.
I feel like, uh, you could see in the future that, um, I don't know, like maybe memes as
an art form actually becomes much more appreciated other than just a bunch of DGens, you know,
literally vandalizing the internet in different weird ways or creating inside jokes and running
with them and shit like that.
Um, I don't know.
Does that, does that make sense to you?
Do you see that?
Like, how do you, how do you think about the, the cross-section or intersection of memes
and just art?
Yeah, I think when a lot of people hear that word, especially those of us that have been
online, sometimes we think of, uh, you know, a GIF or a, uh, a JPEG with, you know, white
bold text on the top and text on the bottom.
And it's, it's a way of, uh, you know, spreading jokes and that's totally true.
But like the origin of the word meme is, is really just a, an idea, a way to spread an
idea pretty quickly and succinctly.
Um, so you can actually, you know, with, with that definition, you can, it expands to anything
that, that you tell others.
It's just a way to kind of spread ideas, ways that, uh, you know, kind of built in meaning
around objects, around ideas.
So NFTs are perfect for that.
Um, but you know, art, traditional art, like the Mona Lisa, that's, that's a meme.
It's like, you see it, you kind of get what it means.
Uh, Banksy for sure, because there's like, there's like hidden meaning and everything that,
that Banksy creates, there's, there's some commentary there.
So it's really just, you know, Bitcoin doesn't spread unless there's, unless there's a meme
and the meme was, you know, it's digital gold or, or whatever, right?
Uh, Ethereum doesn't get started unless everyone buys into this meme, which is decentralized
world computer or whatever.
Um, so now, you know, with, with our platform, uh, or sorry, with the, with the meme platform,
it was taking that a little bit more literally of like, uh, you know, we're, we're going to
help spread this, uh, you know, this idea a little bit more literally with actually creating
memes and, and, um, and now you see it, of course, there's, there's a new meme token in
town and five, two, nine has, uh, six, five, two, nine has mean cards.
So it's, so it's interesting, um, so far we've come and people taking it literally.
And, uh, it, the original, you know, our, our meme project in 2020, uh, was, was kind
of commentary in, insofar as like, it was making fun of, uh, all those meme tokens.
Like there was a yam token, if anyone remembers that, and there was pasta and there was a bunch
of food tokens.
That's why the meme kind of brand, the icon became the pineapple.
Um, but it was commentary on that.
And then it ended up, it ended up being this FOMO token that people, uh, you know, it, at
its peak, it was in the hundred, the top 100 tokens on, uh, on CoinGecko.
Like it was, it was like a hundred million dollar market cap at its peak.
So it was just insane, uh, you know, meme inspired craziness that was like supposed to
be making fun of the thing that it actually became.
It was really weird.
That's, it's meta as fuck, but Hey, welcome to the metaverse, I guess.
Um, y'all, we do have a pretty stacked stage up here and there are a bunch of friends trying
to get up.
I'm trying to get them up.
If anybody has any questions I want, again, I can't see hands raised, so I apologize.
I'm on the desktop.
If anybody has questions that they can get in here and then, uh, hop down and make some
space to get some more people up.
Uh, I want to, I want to do that.
So anybody got any questions?
I'm curious to hear about the genesis of prohibition.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Happy to talk about prohibition.
Prohibition.art.
Uh, we launched back in July, but, uh, at the end of last year, so probably like December
of 22, we were talking, we just kind of were brainstorming different ideas, things that we could
build, um, I, I'm just a huge fan of generative art in general and, uh, was, was relatively
early at Artblocks and minting some early projects, big fan of Squiggles and of Fodenza
and, uh, been fortunate to collect some really great pieces on the Artblocks, um, platform.
And I, I felt like Artblocks is amazing and it's introduced a lot of people, um, and it's
partially responsible for, you know, the, the, the recent, you know, the, the wave a few,
a year, a few years ago.
I thought more people needed to experience generative art and it shouldn't be just reserved for people
that made a bunch of ETH in the last wave.
Um, and it needs to be accessible.
It needs to be available.
Um, it doesn't necessarily have to be these thousand dollar investments, right?
Uh, not everything needs to be an ETH or 0.5 ETH.
Uh, there's some really great art, some really great artists that they don't now need to sell
10,000 pieces at, you know, 0.2, you know, they can sell a hundred or 200 pieces at 0.02
and make a really great living.
Um, so it's something that like, I just, it just hit me that we need to bring this to a larger audience.
Um, so I kind of set out to do that.
I talked to snow pro, the founder of Artblocks and the creator of the Chrony Squiggle, Eric.
And, um, I don't know if you guys can hear my dog in the background.
I'm trying to close my door.
Uh, I, I talked to Eric.
It seems like they're a fan.
They're a fan of snow for his work.
Maybe, yeah, really.
Uh, they're not a fan of the, of the pool guy that's here.
Um, they, uh, yeah.
So I talked to Eric.
I'm like, dude, I want to make, I want to bring generative art to, to everybody.
And he said, why don't you guys build it on Artblocks engine?
So Artblocks engine is like the tech that powers Artblocks.
Uh, and they kind of let other people build on top of it.
So we partnered with them.
And, uh, one thing led to another.
It was like, yeah, this is, this needs to happen.
It needs to be on a layer two, you know, in the, in the last year, layer two has come
a long way with Arbitrum.
And now we have base and some of these other platforms, but it was like thinking a few steps
ahead around where, where is UX going to be in a few months or a year?
Where's L2 adoption going to be in six months to a year?
So it's, it's thinking a few steps ahead.
Um, and then just kind of going for it.
And thankfully, you know, through the last few years, I've been able to build up a great
network of artists and I've become friends with a lot of great artists.
So it was reaching out to those friends and putting, putting the feelers out there and
saying, Hey, if, if we built this open platform, would you release art on it?
And then, um, and that was it.
It's just really kind of born of like, I've been in this space for a while.
What are the things that I think need to exist?
What are the things that I would want to spend money on?
And it was creating, uh, creating accessible, you know, code driven art.
And, um, that's what we did.
Yeah, man.
And there's some amazing work over there already.
I would consider one of my personal grails, I suppose, to be, uh, my Emily Edelman project
zero piece.
I also have one or two Jimena pieces over there.
And right now, if you go to prohibition.art, uh, on the homepage is absolutely beautiful
projects called topo warp.
Uh, that's about half minute out.
That's just 0.01 ETH, but it's absolutely beautiful.
So yeah, you're, you're definitely getting some awesome projects, um, over there already.
You know, you did mention the heart plus craft, which is the snow fro collaboration.
You can see right now, 27,842 minted, uh, is that still open?
So here, here's what I want you to tell us about that project.
But, but in the context of like, how are you actually, you know, how are you measuring
the success KPIs, like what metrics are you, are you looking at right now as you take on
this tremendous task of trying to launch a marketplace, a new marketplace in the bear
market, um, on a layer two, you know, like, you know, this is, this is a big task, right?
And, and obviously that project was, was a massive strategic move to get people over
there minting and it seems like it worked pretty well, but yeah, like, how are you thinking
through this massive undertaking of like moving people over to a new chain to start minting
and collecting art over there?
Yeah, it's been a challenge, right?
I think a lot of us are like familiar with, with layer two, they see the benefits, but, uh,
you know, do people want to move money over there?
Or do people want to jump through the hoops of, uh, transacting on another blockchain?
Um, I think more and more that the answer is yes, especially if there's great art.
Um, so it's just kind of creating a lot of value, creating a lot of great art.
And then if people want it enough, they'll go through the hoops.
We're making it a lot easier and easier.
Uh, just a few weeks ago, we launched cross chain payments so that you could actually purchase
from any blockchain with any token.
Um, we also released credit card purchases.
So it's only going to be easier and easier as the UX gets better and the cross chain stuff
gets easier, but, um, it is still a bit of a friction point.
And then, um, but it's, uh, it's something that needs to exist.
Like we're not going to be on main net Ethereum forever.
I think, you know, think a few years out, um, I think it's really going to be just like the
major transactions, these big transactions are going to happen on main net, but then
a lot of these smaller transactions, these smaller purchases, these trades, they're going
to be on a layer too, just because they're, they're inexpensive.
Um, I mean, we're talking pennies on the dollar in gas.
Um, so let's say you wanted to buy a $30 NFT, but you're paying 30 bucks in gas.
That's, that's just not accessible for newcomers.
Um, but you're buying a $30 NFT, uh, but you're paying six cents in gas.
That's more like a, uh, an acceptable transaction fee that people are, I think are going to be
more comfortable with.
Um, so we know we're, we're kind of early.
We know we're in the, in the depths of a bear market and, uh, it's, it's, it's certainly
not easy, but, um, it's, it's, I feel it's something that needs to exist and we're just
going to keep, keep, keep pushing and, uh, keep providing this, um, accessible, you know,
entry into GenR.
Yep.
I got a couple of things.
Yeah.
Yep.
Exactly.
Uh, so Ronan's here.
First of all, I want to give my man some flowers.
It's good to see you collected up here.
What up?
And then, uh, Carrie, Carrie does have her hand raised as well.
Good morning.
Um, hi, Jordan.
You, thank you so much for the short conversation explaining to me about the genitive aspect of,
um, prohibition.
And I'm just curious, of course, I'm always curious and I ask questions that you might think
everybody should know, but I'm not one of those people.
Um, do, can I just stick up a JPEG or does it have to be, um, code based?
Yeah.
Yeah.
On our platform, um, it's, it's all code based.
Uh, how, how should I say that if I, if I say it wrong?
No, no, no, that's a great question.
Yeah.
Okay.
Right now, right now everything's code based.
Okay.
Uh, you can imagine in the future making things easier, no code tools and things like that.
Um, however, uh, everything is, is like code driven.
So using JavaScript, you'd, uh, I mean, it's all created in code.
Um, we just added the ability to use off chain assets.
Uh, so if, if you're familiar with IPFS, which is just like a decentralized, uh, file system,
you'd be able to store your image in IPFS or images or layers or however you want it.
But then you would have to come back to the, the, the site and you would write it in code
and you would say, grab this image there and, you know, some, and then you can kind of, you
can create rules, but it's all, it's all code driven.
So yeah, that's, that's at least where we're at now.
Generative art means it's, it, you know, code actually creates the art.
The artist writes the script or the code, and then the code generates the output for the
or, and I'm, I'm excited about that.
You have a set of devs that are there to, um, collaborate or help or whatever it is.
I think that's just awesome.
And, um, I'm obsessed with, uh, I'm 74 and I'm obsessed with, you know, putting my artwork
so that it stays someplace.
Um, the, the legacy aspect of it, even a couple of pieces.
Um, so, um, the, the things that I'm not good at, um, I appreciate that you're thinking
about that in respect to, um, prohibition and thanks again, um, for your time.
Yeah, you got it.
Love that question, Carrie.
And I think, um, you know, it gets me into a question.
And so I'm, I'm watching, you know, my first generative art project as the artist called
Coffins very soon, I'm doing that in partnership with Nifty Kit, of course.
Um, you know, and that's not, it's, it's, it's very different from your generative art,
like the art blocks, fully code driven, you know, it's, it's much more of just like a layers
pipeline, et cetera.
Um, but you know, what, what I'd love to, and I guess, you know, what you kind of just
alluded to Jordan is that, you know, you could see in the future prohibition may be providing
those types of tools as well.
So it's maybe not just code, you know, fully code, um, those types of, of, uh, interfaces
or, or creative tools.
Um, but I, I think what I, I want to try and get to, you know, there's also FX hash that
recently announced they're going to be launching an ETH marketplace and to all of the artists
out there, like a Carrie Ross, uh, like a Jess or a Chaz or, or myself, any of, of the
people who are looking to create and launch cool, uh, projects, what, what would you say
specifically to those people, um, is really the sort of defining characteristics, reasons
why prohibition, uh, could be the best place, you know, like I, I, again, and I know you could
talk about like, well, it's the art blocks engine.
I think that's a super valuable thing.
I think there's, um, obviously it's cheaper transactions.
So we know that, but beyond, beyond the cheap transactions and the art blocks engine, which
are two of the key selling, key selling points, how would you describe the difference, uh, to
artists and why they should, uh, work with y'all?
Yeah, that's a great question.
I, I think, um, number one, we, we build great products and that's always going to be at the
centerpiece.
I think for other platforms, they put art first, which is great.
We need that.
Uh, we put product and community first, uh, which I think is more, uh, more interesting
to newcomers to this space.
Uh, because you don't, while there is still some need to, to learn code or, or, or work
with someone that can code at this time, uh, it's still the best place to launch generative
art.
It's still the best place, the best experience, the best product, best platform to deploy
an on-chain, uh, project.
Um, and the community is something special.
So I, I would say, uh, you know, we're always thinking about what's to come, how to provide
value for artists.
Uh, we're always, since we are so product minded, we're thinking about ways for artists to earn
an income, ways for artists to not just deploy.
Okay.
You say you've launched your collection.
Now what do you, does it mean you need to spin up a discord?
That's not really for everyone.
How, how do we let artists, uh, you know, engage with their collectors?
So we're, we're thinking on it, not just like, this is a fine art thing and we need to partner
with museums and we need to be, uh, you know, doing all these auctions and that that's part
of it for sure, but we're, we're constantly putting the creators first.
We're constantly, uh, thinking about the collector experience.
So I would say we, we just build a better product and, and, uh, have a strong community.
Love it, man.
And Biggie apparently has his hand up.
I've been notified in the back channel.
What's up, man.
Yo, what's up, man.
Thank you for visiting us on this beautiful GM, my friend.
Um, there's no secret that I'm a very big fan of, of hearts and craft and of the provision
platform.
And, uh, yeah, just, you know, as Q alluded to, not only do I see you as somebody that's
a builder, but like, uh, an enabler in this space, which we are in dire need of, you know,
to help people get onboarded onto the space to find a passion for, you know, the art that's
being created on these platforms.
And I, and I love what you're doing in prohibition.
And as you were talking about right now, about all the products that you've built already
from cross chain minting and using a credit card, I'm curious, like what you're looking
at as steps next.
And I think you alluded to it, but I just, I'd love to hear you just elaborate a little
bit more on, I think education is definitely something that is in dire need here.
Like, have you ever, you know, and the other one that I love is like how you're reaching
out to other places in the world, right?
Like you just had that, uh, Brazilian artists series not too long ago.
Uh, it's something that I find really inspiring, right?
It's, it's kind of like a hybrid of like what bright moments tries to do IRL.
You're, you're, you're actually doing it online and like bringing these people from other places
in the world, I'm, I'm curious what, what you're thinking about, like what, what, what products,
uh, do you think, uh, you're looking at building to, to help, uh, promote, you know,
the next wave of, of artists and collector to come on board?
Yeah.
Thanks, Biggie.
Um, that's, that's a good question.
You know, we're always thinking about what's next and we have so many different ideas.
So it's a challenge to like, how do we prioritize the right things and, and with a, with a, with
kind of a small dedicated team, uh, we, we try to be super nimble.
So we have a ton of ideas, uh, but it's a challenge to figure out what to build either way.
Like, you know, no matter what we want to be accessible and inclusive.
So inclusive means a lot of different things for us.
It means making things easy.
So newcomers can come into this space.
Uh, I really see generative art and digital art in general.
Um, continuing to be this on-ramp for a lot of people, a lot of newcomers, uh, to experience
web three for the very first time.
Thanks to art.
Uh, I see that continuing.
Um, and I think generative art specifically is something special.
So when we say inclusivity, it means, uh, open to new people.
Uh, but it also means giving other people a voice that maybe wouldn't otherwise get a
voice and providing a platform for others.
You mentioned, uh, breakout Brazil.
We partnered with them for our first kind of community curation, uh, collection, uh, where
we spent the whole week working with different Brazilian artists to launch a collection.
We're going to do more of that.
Um, uh, we, we can get into, uh, the Fiat program in a, in a bit, but there's some other
announcements that we're going to be making in the next few days and weeks around, uh, you
know, other, other, other meanings of the word inclusivity, uh, other, you know, unrepresentative
groups or, um, uh, so, so that's, that's really just the goal is to give voice to everybody.
It shouldn't be, you know, you come from this certain background or you went to this school
or you live in this country and therefore you can mint on this platform.
It's really just, it's meritocratic, it's, uh, democratic, it's, um, you know, come with
great art and you'll, you'll find a, you'll find a audience.
Yeah.
I love that.
I love that, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thanks for the question, B.
Awesome question.
And I, I do want to get into this Fiat generative art, uh, competition.
What, what is it?
It's, it's, uh, I'm trying to find the right words here.
I know it's pinned up top generative art competition.
Yes.
In partnership with Fiat.
Uh, this is all pinned up in the Xbox.
Of course, if you want to follow along and check this out, uh, Jordan reposted the actual
post from Fiat pass, which is very interesting.
Seems like they're getting into the mint pass game through this, uh, collaboration, this
partnership with prohibition and art blocks here.
So I definitely want you to dig into what this is all about, how people can get into
it, but I want to contextualize it within this, this idea of, you know, digital art,
the digital Renaissance.
What does this moment mean for the future of, you know, like art collecting and, and famous
art really?
Because I, I think of us being at this interesting spot where, you know, obviously you've got
sort of the original grandfather, you know, grandmother, grandfathers, you know, you know,
the Beeple's, you know, the X copies there.
There's certain artists who have kind of, you know, Rafiq Anadol now, maybe Jack Butcher,
et cetera, like there, there's certain artists, Claire Silver, right?
There's certain artists who have already sort of established themselves as leaders in this
digital art movement.
But I really believe that we're in this moment where there's so much creative energy and so
much opportunity and so much new technology and platforms like prohibition to art and all
this, that's going to launch a whole bunch of tremendously talented new digital artists,
you know, kind of this next wave of people.
And, and you're now part of that, of discovering, of platforming, of curating, of just providing,
you know, again, the tools for all of this.
So I want to kind of contextualize it in, in that idea of, of you being, being a part of,
of shepherding maybe this, this next wave of artists.
And that's kind of why I titled it like finding the next Warhol.
Like how, how do you think about what you're doing here with these types of partnerships
within that, the larger context of the movement?
Now, if I love the way that you're contextualizing it and you're, you're just kind of thinking
of this at multiple angles because, because you're totally right.
And that's, that's really the whole idea.
And as I mentioned, that's really the inspiration of like, this shouldn't just be reserved for
people that happen to get rich off of you, right?
Like this should be for everyone.
Kind of a quick and dirty analogy that I, that I, that I use from time to time is like,
okay, so we know art blocks, art blocks, I think is to HBO, what prohibition is to YouTube.
So of course we need HBO.
We need, we need the art blocks.
We need to hire produced, bigger budget, highly curated platforms.
Uh, but then we also need, um, this platform for people to, to launch on and for this open
platform for, uh, that where there is no gatekeeper, where anyone can create and anyone can find
an audience.
Um, yeah, there's going to be a lot of junk.
Yeah.
There's going to be a lot of experimentation, but the great art, the great artists will float
to the top, float to the surface, and it's very long tail, meaning, um, you don't need
to have, you know, this massive, hugely successful hit at the start.
It can, can sometimes take some time to find an audience and prohibition is great for that.
Uh, you know, I mentioned this before, but you, you really, you don't need to sell 10 K pieces
at a thousand bucks each.
You can sell a smaller collection of a hundred or 200 at a smaller price point.
That's, that's where we encourage artists to release at that point.
Um, so it's, it's definitely more experimentational for artists that want to get into generative
art for people that are curious.
Uh, we, we talked about our, our tools and the education that we're doing.
Um, but then it's also experimentational because now you can, um, it's, it's on the tech side,
it's less expensive to deploy.
Anyway, so we're, we're all thinking about like, you know, this is a platform for discovery,
uh, where artists have ideas and they can meet collaborators on our platform.
So I really do think it's, it's similar to the YouTube.
It's similar to creators and influencers on Instagram and TikTok in a sense that, um, you
know, the interesting content will, will find an audience and it's not that, you know, several
networks get to say what's, what's, what you should be watching or what you should be listening
It's, it's really puts a spotlight on the work and the stories that are being told.
Uh, so I'd like to think that our platform will have a role in who we maybe consider the
next Warhol or the next Banksy or whatever, uh, the next Tyler Hobbs.
Um, I think they're going to come through prohibition just because we make it so easy
and reduce a lot of those barriers for people to just create.
Uh, so yeah, so that, that's how I think about that.
And then yeah, Sager lead that into the Fiat gen art competition.
Yeah.
And I think, um, you know, to their credit Fiat is, uh, it's a really interesting brand.
It's funny to say Fiat in the context of web three, there's so many means that are just
waiting to, to, um, to, to appear.
But, uh, um, yeah, Fiat came to us and they're, we're working with them and their agency.
And I think they, they get it and they, and they see the power of generative art and they
see the power, you know, Fiat is big enough brand.
If they wanted to just work with the top name, they could, right?
Uh, they could, they could pay a bunch of money to a top artist.
And if all they wanted to do was just create amazing work, they could, they could go about
it, you know, easily.
Uh, but instead they, they've chosen and they've seen the value of decentralization, the value
of a, of a community, the value of up and coming artists, especially the value of generative
art and we're, we're putting this program together.
Um, so yeah, it's, it's a contest.
They, uh, we're still working out some of the details.
They've been, there've been some like legal hurdles that we've had to, we've had to clear.
So we're still, we, we may in the next few days, make a, make an announcement here.
Um, uh, some, some tweaks to the, um, to the terms here, but, uh, as originally conceived,
it's a generative art competition where people would submit their generative art script, they
would submit their algorithm, um, and, uh, the community plus a, uh, uh, a group of judges
would vote on, uh, to award prizes to the winners.
Um, and then whoever, you know, the top three would get to release their work on prohibition
and it would be featured.
Uh, and then the, the number one winner would get to, um, you know, it's, it's a few thousand
bucks and then they get to come to Art Basel and then, uh, they potentially can see their
work, uh, as a car wrap.
Imagine seeing a Fiat car with, uh, you know, wrapped in, in your art and your generative work.
Um, so it, there's a bunch of like moving pieces here and, and we're still, we're still
yet to, uh, finalize the, the, the final list of rules, but, um, the whole idea is to engage
the community.
Uh, you know, Fiat is soon to release the, you know, they're coming back to the U S it's
been a few years since they've sold new cars in the U S and, um, the new car, uh, like there
used to be a gray option and now it's only colors, like the only, the only, uh, like
you, you have to be expressive.
You have to choose a fun color.
Um, so it's, it, it's perfect for, for their side wanting to engage the community.
Uh, it's great for us kind of hopefully bringing more eyeballs, more attention to the great work
in, in our community.
So yeah, it's something we're, we're really excited about.
Yeah, that's really cool, man.
And yeah, the, the Fiat name, uh, within web three is actually really interesting and
funny to your point.
Um, it's like too easy to make jokes.
You can't, you can't do it.
It's so obvious that I really hadn't, I hadn't thought much about it because it is so hot.
It's pretty hilarious actually.
Um, are there any other questions for Jordan?
Again, I can't see hands raised, but I want to give her an awesome panel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and then, uh, Fiat fire.
Um, but like, you know, shout out to the Fiat projects out there with Fiat heads and so on.
Um, so yeah, the, um, the question I had, you were talking a lot about communication with,
uh, collectors and, um, looking towards the future and, you know, progressing the space
in those ways.
I'm curious about two things specifically.
Are there any ERC standards that you're really excited about that haven't really, I mean, I'm,
I'm speaking from a place of knowing a bunch of them.
So I'm coming from like wanting to hear which ones you're excited about or which ones you
think can, can, um, push NFTs or bring us closer to, uh, you know, um, just, just progressive
and innovation.
And then on the topic of, uh, collector communication, what do you think you can do on prohibition to,
to, to increase that collector artist communication barrier that like right now that you have to have
a discord or you have to be connected on Twitter X, or you have to, you know, get people's emails
and a signup sheet.
And, and there's just, there's hurdles there and there's what there's blocks in our way that
keep us from communicating with collectors.
So I'm curious about those two things.
Yeah.
Thanks Jeff.
Uh, both great questions.
I think for the first one is like, what tech am I excited about?
Um, I I'm horrible at like ERC and EIP numbers.
Uh, but the, the one regarding account abstraction, I'm really excited about just because it, it's,
uh, do you want to fill in the number there?
Um, I, I think that's four, three, three, seven, I believe.
That's right.
Yeah.
Um, four, three, three, seven.
Yeah.
I'll need to remind, remember that it's almost like lead, but it's instead of one, three,
three, seven, it's four, three, three, seven.
Okay.
I got it.
Um, I, I, I like account abstraction because it's, you know, this, this through line in my
career, um, of making things accessible and making decks, decks is accessible, making
DeFi accessible, making NFTs accessible, just goes a long way of making it, um, even more
accessible for new users where you don't need to necessarily, uh, you know, install an extension.
You don't need to write down, um, a 24 word phrase.
Like you, there are other things you can do this idea of, um, of, uh, you know, smart contract
wallets and, um, being able to create maybe experiences that, uh, feel familiar.
You know, we, we talk a lot about web 2.5.
I think there's a good way to do it and a bad way to do it.
Um, I don't want to obfuscate the tech too much.
I still want to make it clear that, uh, why this is different and why this is not just
like web two and why it's not just an image on a, in a server somewhere.
Uh, but this is blockchain.
This is different.
And I think, um, this, this idea of count abstraction, uh, with, with the optional, um,
you know, wait ways to make things, uh, ways to take things offline or take things into self
custody when it's appropriate.
I think that's going to go a long way in terms of ramping up collectors and ramping up artists.
Uh, so that's, that's one of the things that I'm excited about.
Uh, there's a lot, um, my CTO Thomas can, uh, can probably talk for hours on some of these
things and we're always, always brainstorming different ideas, but, uh, I'm also excited
about, you know, other, you know, potential, like, I don't know, call it L3 or app chain
layer stuff where, you know, imagine a blockchain that's built just for generative art and, uh,
what that would afford us as a platform.
So there's a lot of cool tech that I think is going to be coming, coming through.
And, and, um, we'll always, I feel like we'll always be kind of writing the front end of that,
uh, because we're so kind of experimental by nature.
We're always going to be, um, checking out the latest and trying different integrations and,
and talking with artists and users about some of the newest tech.
Um, so yeah, so that's, that's something I, I enjoy.
Um, the second question is, is yeah, how do we make it easier so that people, so that artists
can connect to collectors?
That's something that we're working on.
Um, we are always kind of thinking about that, that artist to collector engagement and, um,
you know, I hold a bunch of your work.
So what does that mean?
What does that get me?
Uh, you know, is it, is it, uh,
Um, what, what, how, how do you honor like existing collectors while still maintaining
this, like open and accessible platform?
Um, cause one thing we don't have is white lists or, uh, allow lists, excuse me.
Um, we haven't enabled that because that's when it's a, it's a slippery slope.
And once you go down that path, uh, it can get overused.
And then the only people that can mint are people that have grinded for, for allow list
access or people that have, you know, that know somebody or know, know somebody, you know,
know the artist.
Uh, so how, how do we build in these like engagement programs with, by, and still keep it open and
accessible for newcomers?
Uh, so it's, it's something we think a lot about.
I think we've got something to say in these next few months.
Um, it's interesting having a project on my own platform, having heart and craft and
thinking about it as an artist as well.
You know, I've been thinking about royalties and collector engagement as a collector, uh,
then as a builder and now as an artist.
Uh, so it's really interesting to think now having different, um, you know, perspectives now.
Uh, I don't think we have all the, all the answers, but we're going to be kind of continuing to
experiment and, um, you know, we, we think a lot about, uh, messaging and, and artists,
you know, reaching out to their, their community, um, you know, messaging within the app and
artists being able to push announcements, uh, and then working with other projects and other
platforms and other apps and other mobile apps. Um, we'll be making some announcements in the
next couple of months around, uh, some of these other tools. Um, you've seen, we've done a lot with
gallery, uh, where you can, um, you can mint like from gallery, the mobile app. Um, and then you can also,
once you mint on prohibition, you can push it right into gallery. That's just one example of like, um,
um, you know, uh, partnering with, uh, you know, with different levels in the, in the stack, so to
speak, uh, in ways of get engaging the audience. So hopefully that ramble was, was, was, uh, was
helpful, but, um, yeah, so there's a lot to be, there's, there's a lot to think about and experiment
with. And yeah, you can count on us kind of, um, being in the front end of like trying these new,
these, this new tech and, and try and find new ways for people to, to engage.
Love it. Great questions. And, uh, yeah, I know we got Fiat and then we also got Ronan,
who's had his hand raised. I want to get them both in here. We are going to wrap up though,
by the way, here in the next maybe 10 to 15 minutes. Uh, Jordan, you've been very, very gracious
with your time. We'll try and get into these last questions here and wrap up, uh, again,
in about 10 minutes, we do have a link for NFT live it's pinned up top. So go put some love on
that while you're listening to this awesome conversation, give it a light, give it a repost
and let us know in the comments, you know, while we've been deep down the prohibition rabbit hole
and the generative art rabbit hole with Jordan up here, I'm sure there's some breaking news that we
haven't talked about yet. So let us know in the comments up there on the link for NFT live,
what should we be discussing on the show today? Uh, yeah, go, go engage with that. And we
appreciate it. All right. Back to Jordan. And, uh, I think Fiat you were next.
Hey guys, how's it going? Um, hi Jordan. Um, there've been a few previous, um, automotive
entrance into, into the space here. Um, Porsche, uh, Mercedes, um, a lot of them have been kind of
poo pooed here. Um, the Ford Escort, uh, project was notoriously bad. Um, that didn't exist. Um, but, um,
I've looked at the, the Fiat Pass project and, and it's really clear that there's a lot of
thoughtfulness put into this one. And I guess I was just wondering, like, how did they know
not to go to OpenSea? Like, how did they find you and how did they, you know, kind of, you know,
develop some of the intricate parts, you know, like, like this contest, you know, like you were
talking about and, and just how did the, the relationship form between you guys?
Yeah, great question. Um, you're totally right. And if, if there's anyone that knows,
uh, you know, bad brand deals, uh, it's me. I, prior to, uh, Prohibition prior to venture
punk, I worked at Nifty's as co-founder. Uh, we did a bunch of brand deals with the biggest brands.
Like we worked with Warner brothers. We did the matrix collection. We worked with Sony.
Um, some of them were great and some of them were just really sad. And, uh, I mean,
everyone kind of saw in the last couple of years, the, the, the, the brands and, and the, uh, the,
the, the names that, um, did it right. And many that probably many more that did not do it right.
And, and I think, I think we can all agree. It comes down to authentication or authenticity,
I should say. And, um, I, I think with this, uh, Fiat and the, the agency that they're working with,
um, they're web three people. It's not like they're marketing people that want to hop on the next,
uh, you know, the next trend. There are people that get the space and they know what's cool and
they know what's interesting and they've seen things fail and they've seen things work.
Um, I actually told myself no more brand deals just because it wasn't fun working with these
giant brands where you have these great ideas and the lawyers get involved and, um, it's really hard
to innovate and it's hard to build a great product. So I, I, I took it really carefully. I was really
careful and had a lot of conversations and it's still kind of messy even with all that. Um, but I,
I think to their credit, they, you know, they're community first. Um, and yeah, just to add some
clarification, Fiat pass is like the larger initiative and they're doing a bunch of different
things, which seem really cool. Uh, and in my involvement, the prohibition involvement is on the,
is on the competition side. So it's, it's like a one piece into everything that they're doing and it,
and it seems super cool. And, um, you know, we're just kind of the venue or hosting this competition.
Um, but yeah, I mean, I have high expectations, but I think they can pull it off.
And, uh, it's really interesting. Um, not only are they choosing to go with us as opposed to another
platform, not, but they're choosing to launch on Arbitrum. And that's kind of where this,
this kind of started is Fiat saw the benefit of launching on Arbitrum, uh, specifically a layer two
because it is scalable because it is cost, uh, effective for bringing on their existing audience.
Um, which is why we chose Arbitrum as well. Right. Uh, so it was like Arbitrum came first,
actually, uh, Fiat had a relationship with Arbitrum and then, then, uh, Arbitrum said,
okay, if you're going to do a competition, you really need to do it on prohibition.
Um, and we spent weeks going back and forth on making sure it was right for us. Um, and yeah,
so it came out of it in a good way and not just like a cash grabby way, which I think we're all
kind of averse to. Um, so we'll see how, how it all kind of plays, plays together. I just saw it as
as it also, you know, it just came down to, here's an opportunity for us to kind of fulfill
our vision, which is helping, uh, more people discover generative art. Right. It, it, it lined
up exactly with that. It wasn't just like, well, here's a, here's an opportunity to make some money.
It was, let's bring their, the Fiat community, uh, bring their attention over to prohibition
because it means our artists are getting more mints or our artists are getting more, uh,
attention. And that, that's, that's really it. Um, thank, thanks a lot. I'm definitely going to keep
my eye on this project. Oh, thank you. Heck yeah. Um, hopefully I'm not echoing or anything. Am I,
am I, do I have an echo right now? Yes. A little bit. All right. I'm, I'm trying to get the,
the audience sorted so I could, uh, I was trying to play out some music here in a little bit,
but anyway, we're, we're experimenting. Everything's experimental in this space,
but yeah, experimenting with the tech today. Um, all right, ladies and degenerates,
it looks like Ronan had to jump down. I was trying to text him to see if he had a question to get in
here, but either way, uh, we love you. We appreciate you running. Also shout out all the amazing
friends hanging out with us. I see heroin. I see SSP. I see arts abide. Mr. E. Claire McGuire,
so many awesome people in here chilling with us during this incredible conversation with again, uh,
somebody who I, I definitely consider one of the most prolific build doors in all of web three,
Mr. Jordan Lyle founder, extraordinary founder of prohibition dot art. And again, I think this is
alpha, not just the, the cool generative art, you know, competition with Fiat that you're watching.
But if, if you literally just go to prohibition dot art right now on the homepage for 0.01 ETH is an
absolutely beautiful generative project called topo warp. Like I I'm literally going to try and,
you know, get some ETH over there and try and mint one of these. Cause they're, they're about half
minted out and it is beautiful, beautiful work. Um, so yeah, if you haven't gone over and checked
out prohibition dot art lately, um, you should probably do that. You should probably check it
out. And yeah, Jordan, I, I want to, I want to wrap up here in just a moment, um, and give you the
chance, uh, again, before we wind things down and head over to YouTube for NFT live, you know,
just let us know any last words, calls to action. What, what is up with heart and craft with,
with these projects that are up there right now? Just what are the things that you want
to call everybody's attention to? Where's the alpha? Also, are we back? Also, are we back?
Yeah. Can you just cover a whole space also in the next couple of minutes? Yeah. I'm back.
We, we all are here and we never left. So, uh, us, we are, are back. Um, what's going to happen to
the token prices and to all our bags. I have no idea. Uh, I'm a horrible trader. I just believe in this
tech and these people, uh, and this community long-term. So, uh, buy and hold, um, has been my,
my MO and I'll continue to do that with projects and, uh, tokens that I believe in. Um, I have no
idea what's, what's going to happen. I'm just going to keep building and keep creating. And, um,
yeah, just so thankful and grateful to be here. Thankful for this community. Thankful for the
people that have stuck with me year over year that have found interest in some of the things
that I've launched. Uh, the most recent thing being heart and craft, as you mentioned,
uh, it's something I'm really excited about. It's, it's an inclusive edition. It's really the first,
uh, of this, of this kind of idea of an inclusive mint, meaning it's like an open edition that never
closes. Uh, so it's open, um, for a very long time, technical, you know, technically there,
there is a cap, uh, but it's in a long, long time. Uh, it's something that like the mint window can be open
for years. Uh, it, it's a way to kind of counterbalance the FOMO. It's a way to keep the prices low
so that newcomers to the space can access it. Um, so you can, you can find it on, on, uh,
heart and craft dot XYZ or on prohibition. Um, but it's these cool 3d hearts. And so, so far there,
it's, it's, it's been digital. And then, uh, a lot of, a lot of people have been making the physical
versions themselves, DIY. Uh, those of us that went to Marfa, we, we stuck our physical heart
on a wall there at the art blocks house. Um, the whole idea is that you can take these and build,
uh, physical 3d hearts. Um, some alpha is that we're going to, you know, something we've talked
about a lot is that let's say, I don't want to build it myself. Are there other ways to get a
heart, the one that I've minted or the one, you know, or, or something new in the next couple
of months, we'll, we'll announce new ways to get the physical. So I guess that's a little bit of a,
a little bit of an alphabet. Um, but yeah, check out prohibition dot art. It's all about just
experimentation on the blockchain. And that's kind of the, the gospel that I've been preaching is like,
be curious, have fun, love others. And, uh, you know, just, just super grateful to be here once again.
Thanks so much, guys.
Dude, we're grateful to have you, man. Again, any, any time we get to talk with you is always a
blessing. Um, incredible conversations, incredible insights. Give this man some love, give him a
follow, clap it up, throw up some emotes and yeah, check out prohibition dot art. Again, I
am very excited to hold, I've got at least like, I think five or six pieces collected, including some
of those heart and crafts. I got a Jimena with a Vita. I got the project zero, Emily Edelman. It's just,
it's exciting, uh, and so affordable. Again, you're, you're getting tremendous experimental
generative art, then maybe the next Warhol in there for just super cheap, like early pieces
from the future of digital and generative art happening over there. So cannot say enough
that at least go check it out, go have fun with it. And yeah, thank you, Jordan. Nifty Q.
We're, we're about to hop out of here over to NFT live. I see you pulling up some very,
very interesting, uh, things, a whale alert on parallel avatars, big moves happening.
We've been talking about, yeah, before we, we jump into that, Jordan, appreciate you, brother.
Uh, Jordan also likes to, uh, and, and other than attending the events, he is, uh, a coordinator
of some events as well. So do I have to ever see him IRL, it would be awesome again. Yes. And I have to
call it, you just reminded me one. Okay. I've had a lot of interesting experiences in my three years
in the space. And, you know, it's been about two, two and a half years of producing events, going to
events, a lot of cool and interesting experiences. What's absolutely stands out as one of the peak,
coolest, most interesting experiences was we did this like multiple venue thing during the last
East Denver, where we had the marijuana mansion for five days, basically a five day house party.
And then we did our best to hold down sort of an educational track at this cool gallery called
ant life gallery. And, you know, our, our goal was to try and get in, you know, Denver Tonians and like
new people to onboard, but you know, it just wasn't that interesting, I guess, to a bunch of normies,
or we weren't good enough getting word out. So it, it wasn't like a very popular affair,
but it was very cool and intimate. And it was mostly just the friends all getting together to
talk about art and their projects and cool shit. And Jordan came through with his friends and sat
on stage with us on a couch in this fucking crazy, like warehouse gallery. And just how we basically
did like a live podcast with myself, Nifty Q and Ronan in front of, I don't know, maybe 30, 30 people,
something like that. 35. It was just really cool. I appreciated that so much, man. It was just
really cool that you just hung out and vibed with us on that level, man.
It was you, Q and Ronan interviewing me. So three interviewers and me on the couch,
the four of us with beers in our hand, just, just having fun, small group of people that,
that was, that was a ton of fun. It was great, man. So yeah, cheers to you.
I was giving a talk in the other room around the corner.
It's true. Jack was definitely there doing his thing. Absolutely, man. It was just a full
on community thing that we pulled together, you know, pizza and beers and all, man. But
anyway, and video games, we were playing that game on the big screen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
do you've got so many awesome projects, so we'll have to check in on that one next time
you come back, sir. And all right, Nifty Q, any last words from you? Or I guess any last words from
any of our amazing friends up here on stage? We do have to get out of here, but I want to make sure
anybody up here on stage gets a chance to, uh, throw in some, some, uh, some housekeeping here
at the end. No house. Oh, I wanted to ask Jordan. I hate this desktop where you can't raise your
hand. So it's hard. Um, so you, you guys went with optimism, um, with Arbitrum for a reason. I know
you're tech forward and you're always thinking of what the new options and new, how committed are you to
a single chain. Um, I know our blocks is the Papa ETH and you guys are, are, are playing around
in the L2 pools. Um, are you thinking of other chains? Are you thinking of optimism or, uh,
polygon or some of the other chains that are out there, uh, to expand into, or are you committed
to staying, uh, Arbitrum maxis? Yeah. Lightning answer here too. Uh, yeah. Arbitrum was great to,
you know, initially launch on the great community, great tech, great people. Uh, but we are open
to exploring and expanding and we want to be, you know, we care about user experience. We care about
being, you know, we want to be where the art is and where the artists are. So yes, stay tuned for,
for that. All right. Nice teaser there. Jess, I think you were trying to jump in there.
Oh yeah. I was just, I have the air horn. So just tell me whenever you want that sound effect when
you're wrapping up, but yeah, just like air horn for Jordan really enjoyed listening, um,
to the space today. Yeah, fire. There it is. Fire it off. Cause yes, we are wrapping it up.
All right, ladies and degenerates. Thanks for hanging out with us. This has been GM web three,
the greatest morning show ever created on any platform and in any universe. Uh,
uh, it's been awesome hanging out with Jordan and all of you, especially y'all, uh, who have been
engaging with the show, commenting, liking, sharing y'all are the goats. It's undeniable. You are
undeniable. And we couldn't be doing any of this without y'all. And we couldn't be doing it without
our awesome co-hosts and contributors up here on stage. Give them all some love and some follows.
If you are not following people like kick Nygaard quantum variant, Jeff, Jack, Harry Ross,
Jessica, you try to see biggie poppins. Fiat fire nifty Q Jordan while or myself. What are you doing?
Go ahead and do that. Um, and I have a quick housekeeping announcement for myself and that's
that I'm going to be launching just two more coffins posters on zero one limited edition posters
before the mint happening on Monday. It's T minus six days until coffins launches on Monday. And today
I'm dropping the penultimate, the second to last poster. Uh, so if you want to try and catch that
on zero one, make sure to turn on notifications and stay tuned for that. And, uh, and yeah.
All right. Link for NFT live is up top. I'm going to reshare that just to make it super easy for y'all
because, uh, we want the likes, we want the repos and we want the comments. We want you to come hang
out with us on YouTube. That's where we're going to head out to, uh, no music today. Uh, unfortunately,
uh, because I'm on the desktop and I, my phone screens cracked. So, so we all sing happy birthday
as we go out. Ready? No, there's no singing to the happy birthday song ever. Well then,
wish me a happy birthday. Oh, Carrie, I meant to say that you just had a birthday
recently. No, no, I, I love it. Happy belated birthday.
Thank you. Go check out her work. We're not going to sit here on. All right. I'm going to,
I'm going to, I'm going to turn this car around. I'm turning this car around right now. We'll be
back tomorrow. Come hang out with us. Come hang out with us over on YouTube right now. I don't
usually toot my own horn, but I want to say I hate you all, but no, I love you all. All right.
We'll see you on YouTube. Bye guys. Happy birthday, Carrie. Thank you.
Bye guys.
Bye.
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