Would you look at a wedding as well? It's crazy. It's time to make a little picture.
Oh my goodness, GMG! How you doin'? I'm good, how are you? Oh you know, another day, matrix, another day, another sleigh, you know what I mean?
I know what to name. All right, almost look bad all around. I'm gonna send the link out to our fellow guests.
Another day, another slide. Another day, another slide. We're taking
this call from the doubt in my doubt moisturized on my doubt moisturized on my doubt on concern
I see we are going to vlog Tony Maranera and the building. One of our fabulous speakers today. Welcome welcome welcome welcome. Let's get it.
Hi, how are ya? I'm doing well. Happy to be here excited. Hello, Tony. GM. Just to be have Lady Phoenix and Noss. Oh, Lady Phoenix, what's up? Let's get her on stage.
Hope everyone is having a wonderful Friday morning so far.
Very excited for this talk today. We're going to be syncing with a wonderful artist, Excels. Talk about her project dropping on Channel
for Fortune magazine this Sunday. Super excited. Can't wait to talk about it. Let's get everyone on up here.
Here we have Marco. Hello, Marco. We have Marco from Fortune Magazine here. Welcome, welcome. Thank you.
And we have our guest of other excels. Welcome everybody. Hello.
Hello GM. Do we have a few more speakers coming in right now right? Yes we have. We started a bit early so that we could get everyone else situated before I see Sophie.
So I believe that we're waiting for a few more people, but while everyone piles in, I'd love to give Marco the floor to kick us off. Super excited to be here, big fan of Exiles, and looking forward to hearing about this project.
Thank you. Hi everyone. So my name is Marco Kiros-Wutierris and I'm a reporter for Fortune Magazine on the crypto desk. I write about NFTs and today I have the pleasure
of introducing our special guest, Ikshelz. She collaborated with Fortune for our recently released cover, which is a beautiful cover art. I don't know if you all have checked it out, but you
definitely should. I just want to quickly let you all know that this cover art is going to be available as an NFT on Sunday, but on 9th, sort of an unlimited mint for 24 hours starting at
1pm on foundation. And yeah, and if I can just get a quick plug for @forgincrypto, we're doing some great work over there. But I want to kick it off to the Excel's to maybe just do a little bit of an intro if she is on.
Hey, Marcos. Thanks for the intro and that thanks everyone that's joined. The space is so far. I think this one is a really special one. It combines people that are pillars and
tech and finance and have invested a lot in like NFD space and web tree and also art critics, curators and people that have pushed my art and many of the artists that are
successful and like growing and emerging in the NFD space.
As I see some in the audience like Matthew Stone and I'm hoping many more artists join so they can hear a little bit more of our project and how it can impact everyone around us. That's my hope.
So yeah, I'm a journalist of artists. I'm located in Panama and I recently had the opportunity to go to New York and visit fortune offices which is crazy. It's
It's an amazing opportunity. One of the things that caught my attention the most aside of this, not getting seemed to be a household name in the United States and the entire world is
that the old covers and the covers that have been made by artists are so beautiful. I love the direction that the magazine has had for almost a hundred years. And if you look at the
on the internet like you see like how it's influenced by generative art and geometric art to express what's going on in our times. And that's what I've been trying to do as well. I try to
to convey this abstract attraction into something more actual and what's happening in the moment. So yeah, I hope this is a good conversation and thanks everyone for joining.
Yeah, thank you for that intro. So I wanted to backtrack a little and introduce or kick it off to some of our other speakers to introduce themselves. Maybe we can start with Lee. Hey everyone, it's great to be here.
This is Lee. I am a investor and also a creator in Web 3. I've been investing in startups pertaining to the creator economy and crypto for several years now and I'm an investor in foundation as well as early user.
I just want to say congratulations to Excel's The Cover looks incredible. It's so beautiful and I actually originally discovered you on foundation. I think it was early 2021 at really the inception of like the NFT boom and immediately thought
your work was just so mesmerizing and beautiful and it's incredible to see you come this far. So congratulations on this moment. It's so exciting to watch. Great. Sorry.
I'm just really thankful to Harvey here. Yeah. Oh, thanks. Yeah, and sorry, I went on a tangent, but to introduce myself, I'm full-time investing in Web 3 at Variant Fund. I'm one of the general partners there.
We invest throughout the crypto space across the full stack. Some of our investments include foundation, magic Eden, mirror, sound, which is the music and of T platform drop, which is a fashion and of T platform. And so we've been really on the
cutting edge of how crypto influences culture and creators for a really long time. So that's my background. Thanks for having me. Thank you, Lee. Maybe Sophia can go next. Hi, everyone. My name is Sophia Garcia. I'm a curator and founder of Artics Code. I've been working
working with. It's for some time now and it's been really exciting to see this project come together. And all my team, we have Tony also. I'd be great for him to introduce himself as well. Hey, I'm Tony Marinara and I am, it's
This was Agent over at Rdex Code and also the In-house legal there. Just super excited about this entire opportunity and the release for Itzel to be on the cover of Fortune just to begin with was such an amazing opportunity and she was super excited when they reached
out. So we all joined forces together to make it happen and it's been a very fun ride and you know it's great to have all of you here with us and to have you know not just fortune but also foundation as a part of this whole experience is you know it was really the first place that
It's all work got to you know a mainstream audience and we thought it would be really great to tie it back home and also with her roots and with Cleezer you know with her record breaking uh sell for the tour project we just thought that this would be a great compliment for everyone
to hop on together and we've gotten all star team up here today. I see Lady Phoenix and Regina and Lee and you know we're just super grateful to have such great minds with us here today to speak on it's those arts so I'll turn it over to them. Thanks
Maybe Regina wants to say something.
Okay, I don't know if she's here, but maybe I'll want to do click and show her sorry whoever's next
Okay, I guess it's me, everyone. My name is Aya. I am leading the Ethan Foundation and I was just studying physics show. A couple of hours ago I just arrived in Tokyo for
a big hackathon by the same community. We have a lot as these
Foundation we have a lot to cover and normally focused on the protocol public good side of things and then
So I'm not following everything about NFTs, but I was very excited to meet Michelle and we invited her over to Debcon last year. And yeah, I was listening to her talk regarding
starting this art and it's very, I'm also a huge one of her art, but also her voice, what she represents is very important also for us, for our messages too.
hope to be able to talk about that today. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Am I missing anyone who has a nice? Hi everyone, sorry I lost connection probably just so you introduced me but I am the associate
of Media Arts at Museum of the Moving Image and I'm a preventative service servitor of Time-based Media for a lot of different stakeholders, anything from plastics to distributed ledger technologies, part of why I'm here and I am happy to always support itself and this very big project.
I'm Lady Phoenix, happy to be here. Congratulations, shells. I'm an entrepreneur, creative entrepreneur, and affectionately known as the progenitor of this current wave of NFT culture, having started conversations around NFTs and artisaventie way back in the dusty
early days of 2020 on Clubhouse and introducing the conversations there at a time where there was a captive audience because of COVID we were able to really build community and show artists that this different way and kind of spur this awesome way also pioneered the drop-party
which is what we're doing now, kind of this lay of introducing artists and their work. Also selling the NFT but not really selling it, just more or less talking about it and celebrating the artist. Yeah, it still was in the first NFT auction
from a major auction house which you know so it's this one that was at Christie's and she's older work there and yeah I'm just super proud of her. I will save a story that I have about her for later but there was a time when she says that you know
sticking to what you know, continuing to like refine your craft and dedicate yourself to this as a means of, you know, better in your life, but also the community around you. She really understands that. There is a time where
She was sort of shut out of certain opportunities in crypto and the NFT community and this technology Really helped to kind of guide and push and love her into these spaces that she's in now. So really excited for you
Shows and yeah lots of love to you and Thank you for having me on to celebrate Shows and her work. I love the NFT community and everything collectively We've been able to create and I love even the abs and flows of you know some people jumping out more
people jumping in and helping each of us helping to refine and shape this for one another. And Shell is a very clear example of what is possible in community supports and when artists continue to focus on what they love and what they do best which is creating. So thanks for having me.
Thank you. I want to actually give the forward K-von the CEO foundation maybe for a quick intro. Hi everyone. It feels like a reunion tour.
know that that resonates with people but we're totally going back to the to the good old days of 2021. It's please their Lee I have a lady feed. There's just a lot of um stalwarts from the space um from those kind of really early days where we're
where things just totally exploded. X was just such an important part of foundations, emergence onto the scene, into the mainstream, into, you know, bringing NFTs to life and in such a powerful and artistic and beautiful way. So I think this is
this is pretty special for me and for the team to bring all these folks together. Not to be too nostalgic either because I think we all know this has been a rough year but the future is still all in front of us. There's a come down but the people in this room are the ones that
that kind of understand this space and the technology and have a vision for the future. And so it's just really exciting to be here. So thank you for having me and Ix, and Fortune, and Pleaser, and everyone else, like, you know, even Tony, you know, a newer relationship for us, you know, thank you for orchestrating
Thank you for facilitating and we're 100% focused on building right now. Despite all the tumult, this is really a special thing for us and helps us keep motivated and wanting to build. Thank you everybody.
Thank you. Did I miss anyone else for intros?
Alright, well if I haven't missed anyone, I want to move on to AskX a little bit about the description of this NFT which you all should check out if you haven't seen, I want to reiterate that it's
It's amazing. Maybe you could tell us a little bit about what your inspiration was for this piece and sort of what you think in your mind it's supposed to represent.
At the time I created this piece, I think I thought about growth. This is an algorithm that allows to, the pixels to expand
and it's called displacement and algorithm, but in a good way. For me, I think ever since I started with NFTs, I'm cheering in the community a lot of my
views of the world turn very positive and I really grew into a more social person, more communicative. My English improved and is
because I've been spending so much time with the people in this room. And like Kavam said, I think, like as long as like we stick together, they're still hope for like what we're trying to build that is beyond just
like the changes that we have to go through, but about resilience, about having moments where we know, we realize that we are a collective force.
that the NFT space grew because we all believed in it and that like a sort of currency and new economy and new opportunity for everyone. I've had more time to be with myself to create because of this.
So I'll do anything that someone has to make sure this keeps growing and we can keep creating tools that are interesting, that are based on art and also hopes for a future where everyone can enjoy life.
without having to worry about, you know, not being able to pay your bills, not being able to pay for your studio or like travel where you need to be or, you know, we have the same share in the table.
with everyone else. And that's one of the reasons why I called for the speakers in the room to be together even though it's so rare. I don't think you've ever been together in one space. But it's a way to curate our future. I think as I'm an artist, I'm a curator.
I curate my own art. I curate all their artists. And I think K-1 used to call me a radar because I was always aware of everything that was happening all the time. I think because if I'm spending so much time on the internet, I became so
wired into data. And I know when things change, when the mood changes, and because of the way people speak or the way people share things, I'm always observing in a way. And I think opportunities like this can really change the mood
on an entire community. Sometimes we need that. I hope this can bring hope for everyone. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that was a great representation of kind of where we're at in NFTs right now. It was sort of a rough
year in 2022, I think it could all agree. But I think right now we're sort of seeing a resurgence, like you said, in the art of NFTs and there's a little bit of an atmosphere of hope in the market. And so I kind of want to open up this question to anyone that
that wants to jump in. But what do you think was like your AHA moment when you were getting into Web 3? And how is that sort of reflected now into what we're seeing in the things that are people are building in the market?
Can I chime in here? Oh, sorry, Sophia. Well, as X was speaking and talking about how she got into NFTs in the background of her work, it reminded me of a post that I had written
I think four years ago at this point called the Passion Economy and the Future of Work. This was published in December of 2019. I don't know if anyone recalls, but it basically described how technology and new platforms could enable more people to do what they loved for a living. And the thesis was that with the internet
with these new platforms that could connect people all over the world, all of a sudden people could monetize very niche skills or specialized expertise that otherwise in the real world it would have been difficult for them to monetize just restricted to their local geography and local audience. And for me the turning
The turning moment of how I got into crypto full time after being an observer of the industry for a long time was really NFTs at the end of 2020 beginning of 2021 because I saw the connection between NFTs and this idea of the passion economy where it was very clear to me that NFTs could
enable the passion economy for more people because it introduced digital scarcity and restored pricing power to creators, to artists and all types of creators because NFTs could be anything. And then in more general terms, crypto as a whole could enable more people to pursue their passions and to be able
to earn and monetize from it because it could confer ownership of different networks and products to users who contributed to them. So that was really the aha moment for me of seeing how crypto was being used by creators and artists initially and then generalizing that and thinking about how it could be leveraged by all
internet participants. And so I, yeah, very much echo K-von sentiment that this feels like a homecoming moment in a way of that ethos from early 2021 when the narrative around NFTs was really around how could this be a monetization superpower for creating
who previously had their work entirely commodified by platforms that were able to control how they monetize, how they were distributed unilaterally, and how could this restore power back to the people who were originating the work that was actually valuable, the creators themselves.
And it feels like with the bear market, a lot of the crazy frenzied speculation has now washed out of the space and it's cleansed a lot of that out of the space, leaving behind that enduring narrative, the real value proposition, which got me and I think a lot of us in this room, intercredits on the first place.
which is how do we use this technology to actually empower people to do what they love for a living? I mean, I guess I'll just like jump in my dad at our home moment. I was pretty crypto curious. I would say thanks to my dad and some
family friends, like I don't know if you guys are familiar with AC, the collector. He had organized a Bitcoin hackathon back in 2016 and I remember doing that and we won second place, we won all the Bitcoin and it was really fun. But you know I didn't really see myself in that finance side even though I did end up ultimately working on GP Morgan for a while.
But during that time I started organizing a lot of generative art shows. And you know the first one that we did open sea had was sponsoring and you know we were kind of like curious. I had learned about you know the cryptoponks and the cryptokitties kind of like the year prior or year after.
And you know, it was it was really cool to experiment with NETS but at that moment we were really looking at them as certificates of authenticity and it wasn't until early 2020 that I did a show with an AI artist called Harshit Agarwal. His work is amazing. The work was all
obviously supposed to be in person the pandemic had other plans. So it ended up going online and when that show went online with the fair that we were working with at the time, the user experience was pretty clunky and it really didn't work out. We ended up not making any sales, which was the first for me. And you know, we
decided to kind of experiment and say, well, what if we just put all these works on super rare and let's see what happens? And so I reached out to our friends over there. They helped get the artist almost enlisted in super rare. We've listed the works and everything sold for more than we had even imagined that the physical prints to go for. We had
I hadn't made any of the prints yet, so it kind of worked out perfectly. And it was just a really special moment kind of realizing that, especially on my side as a curator, I didn't have to put any production costs really up front. I lowered my commission by 10%, I didn't have to pay for shipping or just even the exhibition side of things.
It was a really awesome moment and seeing how excited the collectors were to fully own a digital native artwork to see how happy the artist was to see someone wanting to collect their work in its native format as well. So it was really, really cool. And so in 2020, and after that, we started working with more artists and doing these on
mine only, um, curations and, um, you know, that was, that was a really big, really big moment. But of course, 2021, we're not hit and our blocks came onto the scene. Um, that was a really big moment for, for a generative artist specifically, um, you know, when we look at bringers and, um, uh, for them, especially because those are the two artists that, uh, we showcase
for the first time back in 2019 and then selling them for a couple hundred bucks and then seeing this market absolutely explode. Just two years later was insane to see. We're just here kind of along for the ride and continuing to support the algorithmic arts community in the best ways that we can. Really cool.
I mean, I can jump in here. So I think it's interesting that the last two answers were focused at least initially on crypto because when I think about the concept of Web 3, I think about it mostly as part of a rebranding of the concept of D web to centralize web, which is just for decades.
And if we consider decentralized tech, the aha moment for me could really be something like Napster or really bear share which came out a few years later that exemplified this idea of peer-to-peer sharing and it's been of relying on receiving data of any kind strictly from a centralized service and like the exciting philosophy around that around
autonomy. But I think your second part of your question was like how do I feel now, you know, with everything that's happened and you know, in reality I see that we're very much recentralizing under the guise of Web 3 and how much of it is still very much, you know, actually Web 2 centralization and to some degree
It's really only a handful of people that are actually at the core following the philosophy of Web 3. I would imagine almost everybody in this room isn't actually directly dealing with centralized technologies. But at the same time,
I think has been most positive for artists like it's all is the reality that through these you know fabrications of what web 3 is the effect has been an interest in media art has been a respect for an interest in the process and the aesthetics of art for the first time for a field that was very much seen as like this you know the
stepchild of Fine Art. So it's really great to just see more people celebrate artists. Like it's almost like the aftershock of everything that's been going on. Thank you. Yeah, that is a great point. And something that I want to hear a little bit more about.
On its its its its perspective about that specific Change about how you know the NFT market you think has changed in the past three years You know since since you started out and you know how it is now compared to yeah when you started maybe you can talk a little bit about that it's
Are you referring to the changes in the past two years? Yes, correct. I think the two Regina's point. We are reliant a lot in what is what we use to call institutions and
and now they're turning into a mix in a way. I was a lot of like central figures in the institutions like Christie, Sotobies have almost migrated to what WIPT tree has to offer.
um some of their because of like they're decided to experiment they feel inspired there's more opportunities for them to grow economically and it I think it comes to show that we still rely on each other despite
the differences, despite the fact that web tree and if these are crypto, sorry, as a revolution, there's some actors in like the centralized communities that are also, they also want to change. But as with everything we need balance,
And I think starting with collaboration, we can find the balance that we're looking for to actually revolutionize what new media and art in general and the economy.
For me, the media has always been a way of show survival. We can make art with anything that's in our hands and that's one of the reasons why this all started.
want to create art using computers. They want it to automate their processes and that there's so many other mediums including analog where you can use the spark of a screen to see something
That is different and that is that it attracts you in some ways. I think we also relay on attraction for everything that we do without that we don't have the motivation.
So at the end, at the core of all of this that I do and what I imagine in the future and the changes that I've seen.
OLC's connection, one way or the other, the important part is to hear the voices from people that
different views like art critics and art important just as people that keep pumping artists and giving them a platform or important as well like I look
for both to find balance. And maybe that's one of the secrets to create a sustainable ecosystem where we can all keep growing without getting stalled to it or falling and losing
And the motivation that we need to stay connected, if we stay connected, if we stay together, I think things will keep growing just like, you know, animals do, like humans do, like plants do.
as one of the ways. I see the world and I've seen the changes in the past two years. I try to interpret it with art. I think I try to connect the dots of everything all the time in one of my ways.
mind works. It's also a way for me to find a minute of the day of mind where everything becomes more clear and I can use the philosophy of my work to
spread my emotions and also some sort of logic. The funny part here is that I used to work in maybe all of this centralized systems that we are talking about. I used to work for Dell as
a tech support for two years. I used to work for a chase Manhattan as a debt settlement agent. I used to work in coal centers for almost eight years. So I learned a little bit about everything, but I didn't feel happy about it because that's
That's like a giant machine controlling everyone to repeat tasks over and over and over and then you lose your creativity. And that's why I've one of the reasons why I abandoned that system because I didn't want to become a machine that doesn't have any
anything else to look for in life rather than the next call, the next meeting, the next bonus. So yeah, that's one of the reasons why I'm here. Don't we all want to be free? And
We let our creativity help us grow rather than depending on a system that makes us into cyborgs. We can use the cyborgs to help us what we're free.
I for one in favor of using the cyborgs to make our lives easy. But I think you touched on something very interesting there, which is the sense of community that NFTs and Web3 has.
and how it is sort of the key to advancing in the future. And speaking of the future, I want to open this question up to whoever wants to chime in here. What do you think in terms of expanding into the future, what do you think the biggest hurdle is to accomplishing that?
and I'm double down on that and also agree.
Greed hinders creativity. Greed hinders community. People, what took the NFT space down is that people confuse community or a manipulated community for commerce. Right? They put commerce above community. And when we, at a time when we were stripped down and couldn't do anything or go any
is it rots their teeth the same way candy rots their teeth, right? And nobody wants that kind of smile where they can't truly express their glee and their joy because their teeth are brown and rotting and falling out of their mouth. Now if they don't have circumstances that allow them to have healthy teeth, that's one
But most people in this case in the context of NFTs do have circumstances that allow them to come from a place of health and well-being. The greed is a choice, just like well-being is a choice. And when we were all a captive audience due to COVID, we chose well-being, we chose support.
We chose genuine authentic joy and love and care for one another. And then as soon as the money came in, and I've been a partisan very big money deals. So I'm not saying this in the person who hasn't, you know, been on the side of like seeing great wealth change hands. That doesn't...
Wealth is not the thing that's going to help us be well at the end of the day. It really is leaning into our creativity and leading into the community that supports that.
And if we're not able to support community above the commerce, we'll always end up at the bottom with the dregs instead of floating to the top with the cream.
Sorry, it's not so elegant. There are more elegant ways to say that, but that's just straight up the truth and it's like the raw truth of what it is. And I'm actually glad for a bit of turbulence in the NFT space because it allowed for those of us who are in it for real.
to be polished, right? To become connoisseurs of the technology and of the arts that are out there, instead of just consumers. Consuming will get us nowhere. We really have to be connoisseurs of what we're doing, and we also have to be truly in this from the point of community because
You know, in this chain of blocks, it is a chain. Things connected together, people connected together, events connected together. These aren't just single instances existing in silos. And I think kind of people forget how the actual technology
reflects the people. And so if we're in a place that we aren't showing up as our best selves, the technology I think is going to reflect that because we'll use these tools to produce things and events that don't really add more
to our well-being. They're the type of candy or consumerism that rocks our teeth. I think I'm sorry if you're gonna speak to any just wanted to mention something before I capes my mind.
No, I repeat a lot. I have repeated a lot during my journey that I learned from mentors, unofficial mentors because they don't like calling themselves that. And one of them is Demi Treser-Nek. He is one of my best friends.
friends and everyone in this space is I think know him and have collaborated with him somehow. And one of the things that he told me at the beginning of everything, even before I knew about the power of NFTs and crypto
So he always told me, focused on the art and always give back like he was always giving back even before like you know selling his work for as much as he sells. And well, even though like I was raised to to be a given
person, I also learn, or he reminded me a lot of the way to keep doing that. Now, everyone in this community that has followed my journey knows that I'm always trying to keep back, actually donated from
most of the options that I've given and I've been part of. And I think there's a way to create violence as well. And also I have two speakers in the room, Leijing, I.E. who's always reshowed.
to ask how can I help and like there are the kind of people that keep investing regardless of you know like the fears because they're smart they're really smart and they know like the top-end people that are also think that way and have
different perspectives on the future and our solution seekers. I like to find problems and solutions rather than feel sad about it, even though I'm emotional and stuff.
most beautiful moments I had in last year was with the Theorem Foundation at Bogota. We were at this seven-store building filled with people. It was like
incredible. I've never seen so many people in one place and they were mostly Latinos, mostly people in Bolotá, Colombia, which Colombia's economy is still
Constantly rate by others, especially on the post possession of US dollars like Panama. We go there for vacations because it's so cheap. I think they struggle a lot so they rely on crypto.
to be independent, to become something else rather than what their economy locked them all in, like the circle, the cycle of just feeding the reshure.
So I was standing there with Aya and the seven floor looking at everyone and like we teared off, she started crying and I was so moved by the fact that someone that is a director for Swishib
big organization can be so sensitive about everything makes me feel hope and she messaged me this morning after she listened to my the first space I did with fortune and she said that what I was saying
could relate to her so much, like the way she thinks, the way she wants to keep herself strong regardless of the situations to keep making changes in her community. So, that really inspired me. That does
the things that make me feel hopeful about the future when you have strong women in power that are really into helping others basically. And yeah, I really, I really think it's a
We have hope for the future as long as we follow these people. Lee Jin as well, she's reached out so many times and I know she's waiting for me to like drop her project proposal but when I'm ready I'll do it and I just don't want to do whatever
you know, I want to do something that is meaningful. Also, foundations like Dave, they've been so helpful along the way and like, despite the time crunch and just so thankful, like, we're all going through
true difficult times, especially in police are like at being a really tough month for all of us, but I think I think we are really strong and I'm surrounded by strong people.
makes me really happy. You know, those are our line to say. Go ahead, Tony. Hey, yeah, I mean, I think that everyone really nailed it on the head, you know, highlighting greed. And I do like it's that you, you know, kind of led that into hope though, because
Because, you know, when, at least when I first got into this space, my love with system space, art with algorithmic art, a generative art, called what you'd like, was the main focus. Like, I, thanks to Sophia, you know, really got into
the process behind how the artists create their work. And that for me was just so much fun. It was beautiful. It was art right when I needed it in my life. And that was the main focus. It wasn't really the financial focus. You know, these works weren't
exactly smelling for astronomical amounts and a lot of people didn't care and it was just it was fun and there was a lot of focus on the art and now you know because of the nature of NFTs being on the blockchain like there's they're undoubtedly tied in with the crypto community and that
leads to, of course, people that have purely financially-based motives getting into the space. But if we can get over that hurdle of people only, but not only because there are many amazing people out there and think, "Fuck God for them who
focus on the medium and the artists behind the work. But if we can get past the conversation of just constant talk of price and floor and what is a lot of great field nonsense and get back to
focusing on the art, people in this space have most recently, I see a lot on my timeline on Twitter of people complaining, "Where are the new collectors? Where are the new entrants? What's going to happen when no one else cares?"
We sit here in an eco chamber just talking about the price of it's work and not the technique behind what she's doing, why she's doing it, how she made the work, who is it's all right and this goes for all artists that put their work out on the blockchain.
And then people are the people that everyone's waiting on to come and join the space to have a nice community. They're going to turn right around. So I think, you know, I'm in Grailersdale and a lot of the time some of the people in there say, you know, we control the narrative in the sense of like, we should be messengers of talking about
about generative art in a positive way. And I think that it's on us to steer the conversation that way and focus on the positives here. Art saves my life, I know personally.
I was miserable at turning and now I can use my legal skills to help it slow in her career and help further her artistic practice. That's amazing. And that's all thanks really at this moment to NFTs. So, you know, I think just really, I guess what I
I'd like to transition into in this conversation is hearing from it's more about how you made this particular artwork and how you make your work generally because I think a lot of people just know what your work looks like but you might not be familiar with what you do in touch designer and what led you there too.
Thanks, Tony. Thanks for abandoning your miserable turning career to be with me. I feel so special. That's exactly what I was saying. You know, people abandoning those systems that makes you a robot to be with people that are fluid. Yeah, let's be fluid together.
together. How do I make this art? I use the program called Toshisiner. It's my favorite because it lets you visualize the art while it's on the make. You use different notes, but
almost looks like a game, a puzzle game and I'm varying into into gaming and I think a way of creating for me and to connecting with people to be in this world. It's almost like role playing. So whenever I'm in front
the computer and I don't really know what's gonna come out of it. I think I do this ritual of putting on music and imagine that I'm scoring a film. I love
performance and I love people that can direct others to
anything to be anything they want to be like actors. So I imagine this patterns like a bunch of different actors that are in my life and I'm directing them and I'm putting sound to each of them.
to create a world where I feel inspired, I feel happy and sometimes I just feel focused on what's not happening all the time. Sometimes I'm crying in front of a computer.
because I don't know what's going on. But I need to get to a point where I feel more calm. So finding that harmony between music and visuals makes me
feel calm. I created this artwork thinking mostly about my background or architecture. I really wanted to
the someone that could be built places for others to live. But I didn't finish the career so I wasn't able to build anything that was functional. Rather something that is more of
And yeah, I think you build those things. If you look through my work, they are all environment design. Basically, I want to be in these places. I want to be standing from below and look above.
the buildings or I wouldn't be inside a room. I get it with the piece for lock map or the piece that I created with Farrell file. They are all
They're like big rooms where people can sit and or stand in the middle or touch the patterns and see them.
changing shapes and colors.
If you look through my work in the past, I don't really use that much color. I will see you in the form.
It's a way for me to also express how my life has changed from a period of time where I was very just inside myself. I wasn't connecting with anyone, personally, I was just in my own world.
completely gone in a trance of trying to create this world where I feel safe. And now making stuff that are more warm, using more color, because I feel different, I feel that
I really changed, I changed for for the good like I'm I've been able to travel being able to meet people like half conversations change other people's lives in a way and change my own. They care of my
family. I've really grown, so I think that's what the piece means to me, both personal and professional and she's my life in general. And I want to keep leaving. I don't want to let stuff
up making art ever. I want to keep expressing myself and helping people understand more about themselves and about me. This is our own memories for me. This is our own things that I'm
living behind. That's like part of my humanity, my time on earth. And I hope like this technology can help it keep safe forever, as long as the internet exists.
and I hope I can keep having time and enough funds to keep building on exhibitions, live shows, or things that I always dreamed to have. For example, I've been in New York
week not only with fortune but also doing a live show for the first time on making music and visuals live and it's this huge dream for me because those are the people that are admired the most people that can be in front of an audience and
use all of these different instruments to make music and visual art. Sometimes I even think that that's a way to display your personality, the more the more instruments you have or that means that you're
you can just get enough from one to have the sound you want or when you use just one of the instruments when you simplify your life then you are like okay this person found balance and that it can
can be more calm. But I see like the craziness of musicians sometimes when they play music, it's just beautiful to see and like how they change as well.
I see a lot of artists during this space now. Like a finger-cooled junior. Just going to give a shout out to him. He's one of those crazy artists that creates music and art and can still
I'm not really sure if I can stop experimenting. So I was like, "Oh, yeah, I Christa Kym is also here. She's amazing." Anyways, when I stop now.
This is interesting. I've never, I don't think I've never enjoyed spaces so much like usually other people plan it, but this time I
help planet. I'm having my moment as a musician like with all this different instruments that can create art and music. In other words
I'm a side of silence for this. I think that our host at Fortune Marcos having issues with his Twitter right now being able to speak. That's the case.
Anyone else when I jump up? Finger code, finger code.
Massive fan of finger code.
Also fate love is here. Shut up.
Ivanka sees Ivanka sees is from Panama She got his stuff like it's so amazing like he can't he draws architectural drawings with his own hands and it looks like you're making drawings
of art but yeah it's just amazing. One of the few Benamanians actually trying into NFTs. Oh that's another thing I want more people from my own country to realize that they have an opportunity here. It is really hard because first of all like
We don't use Twitter that much in Panama. And that's where everything's happening, right? All the information. And there's also a lot of information. So if anyone has any idea of how to make all this information that is so overwhelming, more compact for people that are not internet,
fans or internet, you know, addict, because they spend more time in the beach than the countryside or like just anywhere but on the computer, that will be amazing. I think that's one thing we need to do is to create more balance in this space, because there's so much information and not everyone is like us that love
the information, but at the same time can go with overwhelming
parts of it, and then keep moving.
Well, I think we're just about time and it seems like our host at Fortions having some issues, but I guess we could just wrap it up by thanking everybody so much for being here today and showing it's so support. You're all rock stars in your own right and we appreciate
you so much. Just want to make note that the addition work of the cover of Fortune will be going live on foundation in a 24-hour sale on this coming Sunday at I believe noon and that
be 24 hours. And an exciting news here, development and that is that after the conclusion let's sell, it's so to one lucky holder of the edition would like to gift a one of one.
So there will be a raffle held and we're really excited to see who ends up with that. It's going to be a beautiful moment. In addition to that, if you're around next week at NFTNYC, it's so will be available to sign copies of the magazine.
and do a little meet and greet and those details will follow and I'm sure for sure we'll get those out there and do course so it's if you want to say anything else I think I talked a lot that I like to
to, I would just like to have everyone start on this project, maybe like concluding words for each of us and anything you want to say. It's also your space. And I'm just going to say,
Yeah, I'll be signing copies of this magazine. It's insane to say, but yeah, I'll be doing that. I'm like stepping out of my comfort zone to go to New York and standing in front of everyone and like signing copies. And you get to have a one-of-one, that's insane.
because I had never do that. There's only you one of ones out there. This is special for me and I hope it's special for everyone else. I'm so happy to see you in New York next week. Before I jump on my display.
wanted to say that I'm really excited just to see this all come to life. It's been such a labor of love across all the teams and it's just incredible to see what you do and to be able to celebrate it. So thank you for having us all here and yeah, one best and I'll see you soon.
Thanks, I want to just quickly jump in and reiterate that @FortuneCrypto is doing great work covering NFTs. We're on Twitter, we're on Instagram. Also look out for the center of T-cell, like she said it's
going to be great. She's giving away the one-on-one. And thank you all to all of our speakers for coming. I was a little bit absent there for a second, but I appreciate everyone coming together. And thank you all again for joining.
Thank you guys so nice having you all and see you all on Sunday.