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🌱 Foods app Chia Open Forum : ArtThursdays The Return Chia Toronto
Recorded: May 23, 2025 Duration: 5:22:09Space Recording
Short Summary
The Chia community is buzzing with excitement following the recent Toronto event, where Foods announced a new app integrating gaming and NFTs. Discussions revealed a trend towards localized events and community engagement, alongside funding initiatives like the World Meme Championships, signaling a positive growth trajectory for the ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, my friend, and happy thursday
hey good to see you i'm just still getting ready so i started this space
because i'm not quite fully clothed so uh yeah let us know how it's going and I'll be ready probably about two or three minutes
yeah no worries
well happy Thursday
everybody it has
been a few weeks
it has been some much needed
downtime for both Edward
and I doing Thursdays
for years on
and on spaces you know it was
it was deserved.
A little downtime, a little time away.
I hope you guys have been well.
I hope you are doing well, Edward.
Chia Toronto, man, it was a fun time.
We missed you being there.
It was such a great time to meet like Steve and Slowest Time Lord slowest time lord and clyde and um there's so many great
people there was so many so many cool people there um josh and uh gerald and uh you know
of course you know gene and and bram and and all the all the cool people there too um acevale and
all the all the cool people there to um acevale and yeah there's so many people um it was a great
time i can't wait for the next one uh food's already planning it um uh looking forward to uh
help and plan for for next year's chia toronto as well so um more events more chi events. That's what's needed in the space.
I'm going to share the room out.
Foods. I was just talking about you speak of the devil it's like beetlejuice you say his name three times and he appears um hope you're doing well buddy just still
talking about here toronto um it was fantastic was great to meet everyone um you ran the event
awesome man just just absolutely killed it and hope you uh hope you realize that
hope you're doing well homie
just go in uh and share in the room feel free to do the the same yourself
um the same yourself? Boo
What's up buddy?
Oh not much
Just uh
Chilling out in Tang Gang spaces
Waiting for Danny's
Tales of the Grove space
Coming up here at the half hour.
Just figured I'd come say thank you for coming.
Glad everybody could make it to Toronto and back safely.
That's a big thing, so that's good.
Everybody had a good time, it sounds like, so that's always good too.
Seems like everybody's really motivated coming
out of it so hopefully this is a new chapter for chia and the community i think nothing but
positive things from chia toronto can't wait to do it again next year um yeah that's pretty much
all i got i mean only two of us forgot our cards at the bar, which is pretty good.
Granted, both of them were both staying at the same building.
Yeah, I, I, and I had both of them in my hands at one point, but I only brought one back,
but I didn't know that that was a sticky card.
Um, I just figured it was better to leave it where it was because I wasn't sure who's which group it was from so
But yeah, I went back afterwards and got Drax card
And joked about buying everybody drinks with it that was fun
Because he gave me the pin so
Yeah, that was good time man, I found out
Again, Waffles wants to do it in Texas
So we're thinking about Texas for next year
TechCH I love the name of it too
Yeah well I mean it gets everybody involved
If we're going to do one big meet up a year
It'd be nice to do it around
Maybe we do DC in 27
I don't know
We'll see how it goes.
I definitely want to do something in Toronto every year,
so that's going to be a thing.
We'll do something again in Toronto next year.
Anybody wants to come to that?
Probably around, who knows, same time.
Never know.
We'll see when TechCH is.
But yeah, I think we're going to do Texas next year because there's a bunch of us that want to meet up.
So, sounds like the spot.
Other than that, just working on the World Meme Championships,
getting that app out.
Had a really productive meeting today with the team.
Had a really productive meeting today with the team.
I guess Chia related for that would be,
hopefully once we get the app released,
I do plan on having a Chia-centric meme competition
hosted via the web application that we're making
just to get everybody involved.
Thinking of naming it
the Chia Invitational.
Even though it's going to be everybody can join.
Maybe eventually it'll just be an invite only
thing. I don't know.
I'm thinking golf.
You know, like the Masters.
The Chia Masters
meme competition.
Win an orange jacket proverbial orange jacket nft actually wouldn't just be an orange jacket but anyways just thinking
of uh doing a little competition with the to get it scaled out we're gonna have our uh mvp here
in the next few days hopefully hopefully, which is a bonus.
It's going to be a super big
onboarding tool for
the community to go along with
Blank Canvas and all the other fun shit that we're
working on.
There's my little update for
everybody.
I've been a little bit quieter.
I'm just slowly building it in terms of Chia optics, I guess you could say. It's been a little bit quieter i'm just kind of slowly building it in
terms of like chia optics i guess you could say it's been a little bit more quiet building away
you know never count foods out man he's always there um onboarding speaking community member Community member
Well, I was on my phone yeah, I was on your phone yep
It's tough life
Lots good today though. Yeah, once we have this friggin creator games app. It's going to be sweet.
Because there's going to be a little bit of revenue.
Which I'm very excited for.
It's bigger than crypto too.
Which is always bonus.
It's nice when somebody has a solid idea.
A team to pull it off.
The meme world championships. Is only but a part of it, maybe, probably the biggest part of it, but, there's a lot more where that came
from, like, dude, Dickie was, I don't know if you were in the space, but he was talking,
we were kind of, we're shooting this shit a little bit, but he was talking about, like,
dude, you could do, like, karaoke battles. You could do drawing,
pictionary leagues.
You could do AI prompt challenges.
The whole idea
is that we like
say you're like a
Solomon's Lot
and you're looking for design
and graphics and stuff. Maybe you don't want to go out
and fucking pay for it. But you don't want to go out and pay for it, but
you can use the platform essentially
to host competitions and
have more
honed in specific criteria
what people are producing.
So, you know,
tattoos, whatever. I don't know, man.
Fucking creative games.
it's all subjective.
I don't know.
If you're a music producer, though, maybe you want to throw
some... You know what I mean? It's just a place for
artists to compete
and make better art.
I like it.
Yeah. I think it's cool. I think it'll catch on you know you gotta think
about it like beatboxers have competitions uh loopers uh figure skating fucking tattoos
i mean there's ink master so just think along those lines you know it's all subjective but
it's like for artists right so i think dude we were just talking about it like think of all
the communities like nft communities meme communities like this will be a platform where
you can like kind of come and like prove that you're the best you know so
subject subject how does it feel foods being well maybe the best man person there is but I guess you can't promote that as much because you're
creating it. Does that take
the gamer
competitiveness away a bit?
No because I get to play.
Oh you can still do it?
Yeah if anything this platform is going to allow me
to play
because it'll sorry I meant the mem championship Yeah, if anything, this platform is going to allow me to play.
Because it'll... Sorry, I meant the men's championship.
Sorry, I'm a bit...
I got quite woken up.
Yeah, sorry, carry on.
No, yeah, that's one of the reasons why we're building this app
is because I don't get to play.
So this is going to help me get to play in other people's competitions
by essentially providing them an
outlet to host competitions so anybody that it'll be really easy for people to manage and host and
to kind of facilitate their own leagues and competitions and you know one-off challenges or
whatever it may be so you know you know how like bram's coming up with the whole like
idea of like state channels heads to head gaming well this kind of falls in line with it you know
maybe you can uh battle another artist and have the community come up with you know subjectively
which is the better artwork and there's a prize awarded at the end. Maybe you guys put up like an NFT or like a, you know,
maybe you guys put up like a thousand space bucks or something and there's
like a wager, you know what I mean?
So it fits in line with the whole ethos of what Chia can build.
So, um, yeah, it's just, dude,
it's just going to be like a little, um, application kind of fun gaming thing
for everybody, you know, like Drak, like
Farmerverse, just another
cool little fun thing that everybody
can use.
It's going to go, dude.
Pretty excited for it. It's a big
deal.
That's my
fun little thing. And I love doing sports
and leagues and esports
and all that shit. So it's just like right up my alley. And I love doing sports and leagues and e-sports and all that shit.
So it's just like right up my alley.
And I get to play, which is fun.
So you know what I mean?
Like, Ed, if you host a competition, then I get to put memes up, which is great.
Which is great.
Hopefully you can use it eventually.
That's brilliant.
So will you play live then?
And it'll be sort of like, what was his name?
Dr. Dis disrespect or something playing
someone else and people are kind of can you tune into it yeah exactly yeah exactly that kind of
facilitating um app where um eventually you're gonna like yeah you can like watch the meme world
championships live so we were talking about this as well where right now a lot of what we do for
the meme world championships is management but eventually this app is going to take a lot of what we do for the mean world championships is management but eventually
this app is going to take a lot of the management away and we're just going to go into more of a
commentating role where we're kind of commentating on what's going on as opposed to like actually
having to manage the like kind of finer points of it so it's going to help us out a lot it's
going to add stats it's going to keep track of everything
there's going to be trophies
yeah we've got a bunch of freaking ideas
I don't want to give too much away
but it's pretty much all in the open now
it's going to be a fun little app
for everybody just to
create with
it's going to have some tools you'll be able to save some assets it's going to have some tools.
You'll be able to save some assets.
It's going to have guilds.
I mean, I'm going to host competitions on it.
I'm sure other people will.
There might be daily events.
There might be weekly events.
There could be, you know,
rolling weekend competitions.
You never know what people are going to use it for.
And like I said,
it does appeal to a wider audience. Like I said, it does
appeal to a wider audience, so hopefully
we get more communities involved with it.
I like to
envision a world where the
Meme World Championships is like
huge guilds, where
you have to actually earn your entrance
and you're relegated
if you lose.
high level,
like if you think about it,
it really is an e-sport.
We're just creating,
what we're essentially creating is a platform for creative e-sports.
And we're kind of gamifying creativeness online.
So it'd be fun if eventually we could actually have like e-sports teams involved like FaZe Clan and Optic and, you know, maybe their creative team wants to throw down memes or whatever and compete.
So it gives, yeah, I think it's pretty fun.
So that's what we're working on right now.
That's what I'm working on.
But yeah, Chia Toronto is definitely a
big motivating factor behind a lot of this stuff I got a kick in the pants so
it's fun
you did great everybody enjoyed it everybody enjoyed it. Everyone will do again.
That's really cool.
I've just sent a tweet out.
That's under breaking.
Foods has an app.
That's got to be Chia's number one visionary.
First app at least.
I'm aware of Boom.
I was really interested.
First time I'm aware of boom. Uh, so yeah, I was really interested. First time I'm actually, sorry, I was just saying,
sorry, I was just saying that's the first time I'm actually building something other than crypto.
Wow. Wow. So this is, yeah, the breaking double breaking. Uh, yeah. So can you say more about
how it came about because of cheer Toronto? That's really interesting.
Oh no, it didn't really come out of Chia Toronto.
It was more meme world championships
and just gamifying memes.
But Chia Toronto
was just like the team
that got to meet together.
So four of the five of us got to meet
face to face. So there's
a little bit of personality there. Um, and yeah, we just got a pretty good team of guys
that are, uh, working on it. So Tia Toronto getting to meet the team was fun uh hopefully next year at text DH we get all five of us together um but yeah it was
just nice to to have that and so now we're working together we've all met so it's just like you know
what I mean like I don't know when you meet people in when you meet people in person there's a little
bit more of a aesthetic to it I feel it's, it makes it a little bit easier to work together.
So I think that was the most big,
I think that was the biggest thing to come out of to Toronto was a lot of the
guys that haven't met got to meet and that's huge. So, um,
I know, uh, I don't want to, you know, speak too much,
but I know there's been some opportunities that have definitely come out of Toronto.
There's been some people filing applications
with people and certain things going on.
So big news, man.
Toronto was a big event.
Hopefully other people follow suit
and want to hold events.
So I can go to your events. we had the guys from XTH London there
which was great because
they do events
all the time as well
shout out to them for
showing up
it's a big deal to get everybody together
what's up Drac?
I think Drac came up
what's up, Drac? I think Drac came up.
What's up?
I'm driving, so fair warning.
Reception and all.
Foods, we won our first two softball games tonight.
Yeah, I was just notified that we won our game tonight.
I wasn't there.
But let's see.
We're 2-2.
And we won 35-7. So, they played Birch Island.
They didn't play last year, did they?
No, they did not.
But yeah, good going,
Drac.
Fucking two games. You played two games
tonight. That's a hell of a night.
Yeah, we always
play two games every
week.
Yeah, we
played two games a week, too. We played one on Tuesday,
one on Thursday.
It's always nice
to have a season with two dubs.
Oh, for sure, man.
Well, we're two and two now.
We're going to start off fucking with a win
and then we had a loss and then a
loss and then a win.
But we have the two hardest teams out of the way now.
So, hopefully we can just win out the rest of the season.
Hopefully go into the fucking divisions.
A division.
Dude, it's insane.
I'm going to take pictures and send you fucking pictures of the ball diamonds here one day.
Man, it's fucking unreal the amount of people that fucking go to the ball diamonds
here every fucking day of the week, four days
a week. Monday to fucking
Thursday. It's ridiculous.
Yeah, dude, I live at the ball field in the summer.
I took a week vacation once
just to go to the Nationals
every single day that I was here.
Baseball's here!
Stokes!
What's up, Brad?
Edward?
How you doing, buddy?
How you doing, buddy?
Just doing good.
It sounds like you're driving in a Kenworth
Unlike the Peterbilt the office, right?
Yeah, the Peterbilt has a very distinct sound to it. Yeah, what your time I bring that bitch oh
It sounds like he's got his window open and he's hucking the dirt.
I was, I'm not now. My car is just loud because it sucks.
Sounds like the Matrix is trying to suck you into a whirlpool or something.
Ah, that's just me.
Ah, that's holding the Matrix. He's holding the Matrix. Anyways, I know
That
Tom Beppe
Sponsored the foods baseball team.
We got our hats today, actually.
I didn't go tonight, so I didn't get mine,
but I'm going to go next week and get my hat,
and I'll take a fucking photo.
So we got the Beppearmy.com fucking website
on the side of our hats.
So sick. army.com uh fucking the website on the side of our ads so sick dude i got some of the sickest chia merch man i swear to god i'm pretty excited about it tom beppe we didn't we didn't order our
jerseys yet we didn't order ours yet for this year they're late getting our jerseys done maybe Maybe we can squeeze something on. Hmm.
Good.
Sponsor my baseball team, Tom.
We need to put a baseball tournament together.
Instead of doing a Chia conference, we should do a Chia ball tournament and everybody meet in Ontario.
Yeah.
Have a Chia baseball game.
Just like one big Chia baseball game, you know?
Oh, man, it'd be so much fun to play sports with all the crew, you know?
Like, show up and have drinks and talk tech is cool,
but it'd be dope to do a weekend ball tournament together.
That'd be awesome.
You actually know what would fit really well with the whole business thing of Chia
would be a golf tournament actually
Yeah, yeah, yeah probably even more so than baseball but golf would actually be interesting when to try to do I
Don't want to embarrass you too bad
I'd have to go and play a little bit, but I'm not terrible not good
to go and play a little bit, but I'm not terrible.
Not good.
I'm terrible.
There's a golf course here that
I'm going to get a membership for this summer
because kids under 12 play
for free. So me and
my three kids can all go golfing
for just the price of me.
It's amazing.
Golf is a good sport. I do I do golf tournament for sure anytime anywhere. I love golf
I think golf I think more than baseball golf might work because I mean it's a little more business oriented business class
I would try to work. Yeah
Like I know art wants to do a fishing tournament too. That sounded kind of fun, actually.
I'm not going to lie.
That does sound fun.
Yeah, more shit like that would be kind of cool.
Like a golf tournament, though, yeah.
Now that you got me thinking about it.
Actually, dude, if we do TechCH next year,
we should fucking go golfing.
Yeah, yeah, just plan, like, the day after
and book a bunch of tee times and yeah make it part of the
event yeah toronto was quick in and out but like it'd be cool to do like a round of golf or something
in texas because you're only i'm not like i'm ever going to go back so if i go once that's it
well that's what i did in utah when we went on the pulse chain tour i went and played a round of golf
uh the next day i missed my plane because of it, but it didn't matter.
But it's nice to play a round of golf
anywhere you go, you know? Yeah, I was gonna say
don't be saying quick in and out
too soon, because it was quick in, but not
so quick out.
That's what she said.
Anyways,
guys, I'm sorry I can't stay. I gotta
run to fucking Danny's
Space
I got some questions to ask the monkey
But um
Yeah, thank you for having me
Thank you for coming to Gia Toronto once again
Everybody
It was fucking awesome
I can't stop talking about it, probably should
I know the wife is sick of it, so
I was just gonna
say I could have swore I heard you say you weren't gonna talk about it anymore
like a week ago well this is title of the space
you've got to keep talking foods because this what promotes your app it's part of
the story so yeah it's great
to hear uh yeah thanks for everything you did foods it sounds like you were amazing as an emcee
i read different comments different people said you will made everyone comfortable and it was you
know you did it really well so kudos to you i got better i got better as the night went on
as the beers went down as a couple beers went into me i got a little bit better i know for
next time uh if i am gonna emcee again i'll be a little bit more prepared but
i just kind of winged it you know everybody got trial by fire that night so i that was one of my
trial by fires it's good practice for everybody to do that stuff so i want to do a hackathon for tech ch2 so we should talk about doing a hackathon oh
please yes please how are we gonna do it it's gonna do like the next day hackathon because you need
like like an eight-hour day to do something cool with teams of like three or four eight hours
prizes yeah that'd be dope yeah it'll be a full day everybody will have to bring
their own laptops and shit but we'll figure out we'll get like a bit by the
conference ring with enough juice to fucking run it I don't even know what
we need for infrastructure but we got to look into it.
So that's going to be one of the things.
You could also do it leading up to the event.
You don't have to do it on the day of.
You could say, leading up to the event, you do some live spaces, you do some kind of event team-based stuff to get it hyped,
and then you just do the presentation at the event and then have like
judging and stuff there at the event and just have some rules to you can and can't do this
you know yada yada yeah we'll have to come up with something i'm not an expert on hackathon
so i would definitely look to the community for that um i mean D-Gen does most of the heavy lifting.
Jesus, man.
That car is crazy.
It sounds like he's K-Hole.
Oh, sorry.
I'll be...
Anyways. It sounds like he's K-Hole. Oh, sorry, I'll be...
Anyways, yeah, thanks for having me, guys.
I'm going to jump out and pop into the name space, but we will talk soon.
And yeah, maybe I'll come into another Thursday space here in a couple weeks,
and we can go over whatever's happening.
Well, tell the gang-leven-5 that we love him and tell him go over whatever's happening. Love to get the Chia community involved.
We love them and tell them we say hello.
Have a good night, guys. Thank you.
Welcome, everyone. We're just open chat.
Chia Toronto, you want to chat, please come up.
Yeah, it was amazing following it. What were the yeah obvious question I guess what were the highlights of the of the was it a weekend or
or a day I guess people that longer but what were the highlights um I I think the highlights uh
overall was the cocktail hour like everybody just getting the schmooze and meet each other
and like you know because you just hear voices and even like some PFPs,
like you're not familiar with names.
So like people hear you in spaces and like, you're able to be like, Oh, I,
you know, I met you in this space or I met you in this room or, or, you know,
it's just like all those little like sparks of memories of all those little
times and events that have happened
throughout the years you know that you forget about the little moments
so getting to catch up on all that stuff with every everyone and meet everyone i think was the highlight personally for me.
Well, my highlight was listening to the space you did there live.
There was like, I think Drek was hosting, I guess,
but it was like 10 people were there live and I could hear every voice hitting me,
but the speaker button wasn't going on and off.
It was just like Drek was live,
but then it was just like Steve, Bradley, but it was just, it was no different to a space. I was like, oh, this is brilliant.
So as a listener, that was my highlight, but I thought that was pretty cool.
Yeah, it was a phone on top of a water glass in the center of the table and we all were just eating dinner and chilling and chatting
and then we did the next day mark and ava's space as a recap on that space which was pretty fun
well poor hexagraphy i'm just
i'm arriving back here at the bar now so uh I'm gonna let you guys go and go have some drinks with the boys and celebrate our wins. Well enjoy their
winner I
Will say well you guys have a good night
For a TLDR
For sure buddy
I think that's the real magic lot that that space you did there.
It actually was Matrix-esque, but I think that this is a...
This is a...
It's basically the metaverse is formed by the core of live spoken conversation.
So that when you, in fact, you're in a space, you are, in fact, literally meeting someone in a sense.
So that when you meet them, really, and it's been like three or four years, you guys.
I didn't go physically, so that's why I said you guys there but like so when you guys meet there you just I don't know
it's like you look comfortable so it's it replicates the space and when I listen back
it like hit me that god it is exactly talking in real life with people is exactly like space and
therefore a space is like real life so if the audio side of it is taken care of which must be the core
Then the future of the metaverse looks like live audio
But then connected to what and what is that what that's the question mark?
Where's the shared reality?
Twitter space now, but what is it in the future? So that's that's really got me excited. So
yeah, that space there really I mean I
think it's gonna be holograms projected in the future because they can be a
shared reality you could be in the same place anywhere in the world if you've
got the light that represents the hologram so and this is why the
permanent names was so crucial because without that this system will not be as
easy to navigate as it should be.
But that doesn't really matter that that's an extra thing.
But yeah, so that's amazing.
Yeah, actually curious of your thoughts on that.
I'm not sure if I've ever said that that way before, but...
I mean, that makes total sense.
I mean, that makes total sense.
Like to be able to have a hologram that's in place of yourself.
Yeah, you're able to be present.
You're able to be present.
Yeah, so
Yeah, what were the other highlights of it?
Or what else was going on?
I know a lot of people went and liked
Consensus. I heard
Consensus was absolutely boring
As shit, so not really mad that I missed that.
I walked around with thick tickers during the day.
I went to the aquarium there.
That was absolutely incredible.
They have a giant shark tank that you can walk through or be on the little walking path, that escalator path that takes you through the entire tank.
That was super cool.
Yeah, I think just the bar afterwards where we all went King something, King Street, King Pine, something like that.
That was fun.
Again, it was just like a big mixer.
It was loud.
It was fun.
Everybody's just chatting and chilling and sharing ideas.
Yeah, just overall great vibes. Super fun events. Great after party.
Wish it was longer. Definitely need more more days next time.
So the cocktail hour, the mingling was the best thing putting the face to the name and yeah because i mean yeah because i mean like even like steve right you know steve he's dox like
you've seen a picture of him but like seeing him in person and getting to shake his hand and give him a hug and speak face-to-face, that was great.
It's just like that extra level of personal.
And you know these people in a sense so well from speaking to them for so long.
Hours and hours and hours countless of them um you know
for years uh so over time you know you you begin to build this profile of the person in your head
a little bit um so being able to put that like physical connection to that profile in your head was really cool.
Yeah, and how did your speech go?
The Dracatus 10 talk,
Cobra 42 presentation.
What was it like? How long did you talk
and all that? I don't think I saw the
actual video.
I posted it, I think, on Twitter that day in replies you can go to my replies
It's under there
It's kind of loud because my phone was up placed all behind everybody next to the other bar that was behind it
I don't think I've seen where they posted the live video with like the microphones and stuff, but it was good
We did like a 10 or 11 minute presentation on Coba 42 as a company I've seen where they've posted the live video with like the microphones and stuff, but it was good.
We did like a 10 or 11 minute presentation on Coba 42 as a company,
Tang talk and the products.
Basically we've been building rocket L2 and just get,
just did kind of,
you know, the,
the 10 minute pitch of all of our IP and all of our products and our company
and what we do,
you know,
did a little start funny out, and what we do uh you know did a little
start funny out you know like uh you know you guys might know us from mark and ava uh and then had
everybody who knew it do you know that you don't have to um made some call outs you know to to the
people that were in the audience it was good um I enjoyed it. Hopefully we can get a good version of the recording that Chia did somewhat soon. Sorry, I'm just editing the title.
I had done.
I thought I had to lead with Foods app.
That's got to be that breaking news.
That's really exciting, that Foods is doing an app.
It sounds, he said he'd started it before before but it sounds like the meeting in real life had really
uh accelerated that somehow that's what i felt like what he said today so
meeting in person seems crucial uh so even though the speaking is a sort of meeting it obviously
it doesn't quite do everything because only when the people met
physically did it really like oh boom the ideas fell in place and it's sort of
catalyst is probably the word i'd say
for sure
in person share ideas without like any restrictions or restraints or even you know other people
speaking over you know I mean just yeah the I think there's a lot of things that came out of
the Chia Toronto meetup that haven't haven't yet been seen um seeds that were planted and
sparks that were you know ignited um I think there's going to be a lot of great things to come out of it.
Yeah, there was like a hundred people there or something.
I guess that was a lot more than they expected.
I was reading there might be 50 or something. I guess that was a lot more than they expected.
I was reading there might be 50 or something,
but it sounds like it really connected.
I guess it's the number of in-person meetups
is almost directly proportional to development
on Chia then, I suppose.
Because how many meetups has there been in Chia?
Three, four,
I'm trying to count them, XCH London did a two, I think, I think there was a couple, one in Germany, three, four, five, I think less than ten, I would say, maybe wrong there, but
but yeah, if it speeds things up that much, I much I guess then yeah I suppose the more the merrier you can't meet up every day I suppose
but like in theory yeah I don't know me or maybe it doesn't magically have a
catalyzing effect unless it's once a year maybe there's that as well but yeah
food for thought foods for thought there it's a nice day here yeah uh i'm curious to hear the uh travel stories i you shouldn't really
focus on it but at the same time i'm trying to raise awareness of the fact that domestic flying
is deliberately being made longer and slower as i've been saying and would happen but yeah what happened Bradley
I know you mentioned it in the draft space what like you flew home from America to America and
Monkeezoo went from America to sorry America to America you flew home from Canada to America
from a true country to another country and then Monkeezoo, from a true country to another country, and then
Monkey Zoo flew from the true country to Europe, but it took him, what, half the time?
Or was it something that crazy?
It was something like that.
Oh, I think like the third of the time.
Oh, I think like the third of the time.
The third.
The third.
Yeah, it was...
Yeah, it was So I was supposed to leave Toronto at 6 p.m. on Wednesday
I flew in Tuesday
It was only supposed to be a 36-hour trip
And so I got to the airport
Toronto Airport ended up delaying my flight
Due to quote-unquote weather
Due to thunderstorms, which there
was no thunderstorms. Didn't even rain. Uh, the airport a mile away had zero report of thunderstorms,
no problems. Um, so they delayed my flight two hours, which means my connector was going to get
missed in Newark. So, um, they canceled me, had to get a hotel for the first like first night staying
there uh rebooked for another flight in the morning nine o'clock gotta be there at six get on the
flight get to chicago have like a six hour layover so i'm exhausted i lay my head down set an alarm
uh wake up a half hour before my boarding um and i'm like a little groggy waking
up no big deal i hear oh starting to board well they're starting to board a different plane so
i look at my my phone um and on in the app they've changed my gate they never changed like never sent
me a text message they sent me a text that i wouldn't have internet on the flight but not that my actual gate
got moved.
I literally run across
the airport because it's an entirely
different wing of the airport.
Get to the gate and they
closed it five or
eight minutes early, whatever it was.
I'm panicking. The lady's like,
yeah, no, they won't open it back up like they have i'm like
they haven't even left yet like in the entire time that i was looking to book another flight
they still haven't left yet so it's like again stupid but anyways they were trying to leave
early for someone to meet uh you know get to their connector um for forget the guy who you've already left you know behind for a day um
and uh so i had to run across the airport to the the boston airport uh plane get there uh and then
my wife's gonna like drive down to boston come pick me up um end up getting on that plane ends
up being on the tarmac for almost three hours, comes back to the gate to get a maintenance issue, gets fixed after an hour.
We start heading back out, and then the maintenance issue is still there.
So flight's grounded there for another night.
They give me a hotel this time.
hotel this time it's like 10 miles away uh so i get in a shuttle in chicago get you know get to
It's like 10 miles away.
this hotel 10 miles away get a couple hours of sleep back at the hotel for the or uh airport
for the morning uh they won't let me check in like so i end up looking what it is they booked
me to portland oregon instead of portland maine um so they had to fix my flight
another flight and a couple hours later so i ended up spending more time waiting at the airport
uh and then finally got on a plane from port uh from chicago to portland maine uh at like 11 o'clock
so i ended up yeah it took me 47 hours I didn't quite beat Drax hours
52 hours but I was damn close
How long should it have been
It should have been
I think
Six or seven hours
Oh my god so six or seven hours with a layover. Oh, my God.
So six or seven hours.
That's with a layover.
If it had been a direct flight, what would that be?
Three hours.
Three hours.
So three, seven.
And it took 42.
Yeah, 47.
I could have driven home in nine.
I could have driven home in nine. I could have driven home in nine.
Well, that's madness. Well, I suppose it's not like it's meant to be that long. Although I do
think they are trying to make it long, but yeah, it's like suddenly driving is such a viable
option. Is it cheaper to drive? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. How much buy? I mean, just in parking. So that would have
been probably like, in fact, is driving cheaper than flying or 100%. it is yeah so guaranteed nine hours yes
madness is so 47 that's crazy so 52 drac they're the record records spent
traveling to visit a GIA conference I guess like if you want to look at you
know who are the strikes or, that's a real number.
Just like the 69 hours that you so perfectly did, I guess.
Perfect number of hours.
But, yeah, that's madness.
I don't know.
But, yeah, when you got back, how did you feel?
Were you just relieved to be home or was it just like whatever yeah i was relieved
yeah i was relieved
i had just been like living in a airport basically for four days
yeah talk about a little story that will add a lot to your real full story when you're
like doing conferences.
I almost picture like an Indiana Jones bat, you know, where the, like he's flying around
the world and there's sort of like a hat or something going from country to country with
like a straight line.
I kind of pictured that, like, boom, Chicago, boom.
It's like, why are you in Chicago?
And, but yeah what's chicago like
is it it's meant to be windy i know that uh all i saw was dark and uh
oh my god so it's not just that it's 40 odd hours or whatever, and it's more expensive. It's like you're basically forced to stay in Chicago for a night with no
planning.
Yeah.
Jesus.
Well,
not just that,
but I was there all day.
And if they move,
I can actually spend it in the city.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
well,
glad you made it back.
Obviously that's,
this is infinitely better than if there'd been an accident or whatever whether driving or not so it's just one of those things
but yeah it's a big story see salt on the story crazy that you and drac have both done it but
and monkeys who got back in what 12 hours i guess it's probably like 12 15 hours from america
so and he said he drove an hour down the highway or whatever.
So then he was home and he was still at the first airport.
He was still at the second airport or something.
Yeah. I think it was second airport.
Yeah. I think it was second airport.
Yeah. It shows dedication though. But yeah.
Was there any other journeys like that?
Oh, obviously Steve, there was that one that was,
but that was international i guess
but there was a couple people
yeah hurry up with teleportation that's why i say uh yeah if anyone wants to come up and chat here Toronto please do
open forum as always foods has got an app that was I think the big news of
today that's really cool because foods is always ahead of the curve and he says
it's like a men-based gaming based thing I mean that I mean that sounds
interesting so yeah that's cool.
Yeah, it was so much fun. Yeah, it was so much fun.
Looking forward to the next one.
Yeah, how was his emceeing?
Was it as good as they were saying?
It was good.
It was classic too.
It was classic.
It was great.
You know, like, again, like I already said,
it made everybody feel comfortable because he was just himself.
He wasn't trying to be something else.
He wasn't trying to, you know, put on a show.
He was just, you know, be in foods.
Why Steve's sad face?
Why Steve's sad face?
Love, shout out to Steve's that this week in cheer.com, the greatest place ever inia history to get your daily what's going on every day, all the time, what's the weather spaces are.
Steve Stepp, legend, and yeah, was he as smart in real life as he was in a space?
Oh yeah, for sure.
Yeah, it's definitely one of my favorites to meet.
Legend.
Yeah, was there any surprise appearances?
I'm not talking about what people look like. I'm not interested in that.
I am actually, but I'd rather not talk about that and things just because some people are pseudo-anonymous.
But in terms of people
appearing that you wouldn't have expected,
I guess
did anyone appear you wouldn't have
expected to have met?
I would say no.
I would say no
because I thought that was going to be there.
I kind of knew it was coming due to talking in the back channels already.
I thought there would have been a few random people you weren't expecting,
but I guess if they registered, you know, I guess.
I don't know.
I guess some of the Ken gang boys like Kenny, who was there from England, who was there from England, who was there from Europe? Some people from Europe that I wasn't expecting.
OG Kenny?
Yep.
Oh, wowee, that's amazing.
I know he's in Thailand, or perhaps he isn't now,
but I think he lives here, I'm not sure.
So that's a big journey there.
Wowee.
Thailand to fucking Toronto.
How many hours is that? It must be 24 hours.
More stripes there.
There should be records for who's done the longest single journey to attend a cheer event in history or something.
Like most hours delayed.
Oh, man.
I can't even imagine.
Oh, man.
I can't even imagine.
I can't even imagine.
I can't even imagine.
I can't even imagine.
I can't even imagine.
I can't even imagine.
I can't even imagine.
You have a regular flight of 24 hours? You have a regular flight of 24 hours? Then delay? man, I can't even imagine a big delay on something like that.
You have a regular flight of 24 hours?
A regular flight of 24 hours?
I hope I break the record.
I just have to
beat 52.
That was crazy. He was just
not traveling that far either.
But,
yeah, I don't know.
Car seems to be the
future of flying, maybe. I don't know, car seems to be the future of flying maybe, I don't know.
Private jets is the future of flying.
Welcome everyone to the room where Foods has got an app which in cheer Toronto if anyone wants to chat here Toronto please request or come up and or taxi.
T geno was in the room.
Welcome to the star an honor if not the legend himself one of the most eloquent people I've ever met,
and I can say met now because being on a space
is kind of like meeting, I think.
But that is the man himself, Mr. Steve Stapp.
Welcome to the stage, Steve.
And yeah, I guess there's gonna be another,
perhaps another traveling story perhaps coming up,
but I'm very curious about how it was from Steve's point of view.
Meanwhile, I'm going to imbibe myself a little more.
I'm not sure what other Chia news there is.
There's quite a lot going on, actually, but...
There he is.
Steve is reconnecting, I think.
Hey, welcome, Zotikus. And I think Steve is back.
Can you hear me now?
Can you hear me now?
Ah, there you are. Welcome, Steve. How are you doing?
Doing good, but there's some audio issues tonight.
I think, Edward, you're creating a loop back somehow.
That's why I was crying a while ago.
I know what I'm doing.
Because I didn't host well, I forgot I have to put my headphone socket in,
listen in the headphone, then that issue's gone.
So it'll be fixed from boom, done.
Sorry about that.
Welcome, Steve.
Back to the spaces.
How's the rest of your Toronto trip, Steve?
Oh, he's reconnecting.
Tess, Tess, hopefully the feedback loop is fixed i hope it was well if i'm talking now and it's not coming back on then it's fixed because it was like when somebody else talked it would like echo
and we've got i think steve is trying to connect i guess and we've got another cheer legend welcome
to the stage one of the most kind nice happy positive you name it thumbs up thumbs up thumbs
up thumbs up call shit up, thumbs up.
Call shit out and is very positive.
That is Mr. Zoticus.
Welcome to the stage, Zotty.
Grand evening. Man, Chia, legend, and my name in the same sentence.
Boy, boy, Edward, Edward.
Okay, what you selling?
What you selling, Edward?
Let me buy it.
I'm selling story.
Ah, I do love a good story.
I do love a good story. Alright.
1xch for a good story.
Story featuring
real people. That's the beautiful
thing. So, yeah, you're a chia legend.
I think anyone who has watered
the plant that is chia over the last
few years and has been consistent is definitely a legend.
That's just time is the ultimate bottleneck, isn't it?
So you've always been positive and fanned the flames of little positive things.
Like it got better and bigger.
And so, yeah, you're definitely a legend to me.
So, yeah, how's it going, Zotti?
And also hopefully Steve's back on stage and, you know, open forum.
So jump in anytime, anyone. And yeah, I'm just gonna mute up for a sec.
Yeah, all's well here. Can't complain. Just got off of a shift from the Solana trenches.
I've been dunking on some charts and about to pick up a fat bag of XCH and about to pick up a fat bag of XCH, and I'm about to pick up a fat
bag of weed, because I found out my dispensary is actually open until 12 a.m. It's a new thing.
It's the first of its kind in my state, so I'm gonna go get me some cannabis. I'm actually
gonna take you guys on my bike ride, too, there. Should be a hoot and a hey,
but I don't see Steve as a listener
right now. Is he showing up as a listener
for y'all?
He's still stuck in
speaker and connecting in my screen.
Damn. Steve, maybe
try just restarting your app
real quick.
Maybe it might work. I don't know.
Dude, X has been a fucking shit show today it's
it's fucked up they really they really you see they they're upping all these uh these fees right
for you blue check mark nerds right you think that they would you know do something with the money
that they get um i don't know maybe make some improvements i don't know. Maybe make some improvements. I don't know. All I remember is Elon's first day,
back then it was called Twitter,
rest in peace Bluebird,
his first day at Twitter at the time
now X,
he brought a sink
and he carried a sink.
Is it symbolic?
Is he trying to say something there?
I don't know. We'll find out.
Maybe.
But until then,
just grateful for this platform.
Grateful to
meet such wonderful people
on here.
There's not that many great people
worth, honestly, conversating on these spaces.
So, thank you, Edward,
for hosting us
Chia Nerds almost every single Thursday for shit almost as long as I've known you.
You and Art both, as long as you guys have the time and the energy, you show up and it doesn't go unnoticed.
Really appreciate what everyone here does.
Honestly, like Steve, you crushed it too man.
Like everybody here plays a
very important um role in in this beautiful green ecosystem that we're in so um yeah you know you
call me a legend and um you know i'm looking in the room and i'm surrounded by legends
yeah what what is like above legend you know weekend? Gee, I think we can all agree that's closer to like the head of the enterprise or something.
But what's the Uber legend or?
Myth? Mythical?
Yeah, I like that.
Mythical, yes.
The mythical Steve Step being hit with audio issues.
Hopefully he can make it up and it will work.
But yeah, mythical Steve Stepp.
Hello.
Can you hear me now?
Excellent.
Crystal clear, Steve.
Wow.
Okay.
I think my problem started because I was driving earlier,
and it just compounded.
How's it going? thanks for the kind words uh i was gonna i was telling
trying to tell art earlier that i felt for him being stuck in an airport that long i was only
in there 14 hours i can't imagine 47 i i would i think i would have died really
so yeah you lucky nerd birds went to to chia toronto yep rub it in rub it in uh-huh
i did but don't worry i don't remember much of it i drank too much damn beer
well that's a damn shame you you you shouldn't drink as much but it's okay because you know
in in situations like that you know when you're around new people, you know, it's easy to get a little extra sauced up, especially if they're online chums that you've known for quite a while.
It's easy to go overboard.
So, you know, as long as you're sorry, go ahead.
I was just saying as long as you're you're breathing and you had a good time, that's that's all I remember.
And what you do remember, I bet you'll cherish for your whole lifetime.
Yeah.
I actually didn't drink that much.
It's stronger beer over there.
Yeah, I actually didn't black out.
I remember everything, but I was too busy chit-chatting.
I didn't pay attention to a lot of the presentations,
including Drakken art.
I have no idea what they talked about, but.
Steve, you were a swaying social butterfly.
I certainly was. You put a couple of drinks in me and I won't shut up.
I even got in, I even got in trouble. Uh, not, not really in trouble,
but, um, Paul Hainsworth stepped back there i forget who was
presenting he's like hey do you mind being quiet or moving away i was like oh okay i guess so did
he but i but we are in a bar and drinking so i mean what do you expect? But, okay. Yeah, I'll move away from standing behind you.
That's weird because it's not – they didn't even create the event.
That's strange.
But – oh, well.
Well, I mean – I just – sorry.
Wait.
Let me clarify.
I didn't mean to say that he was rude about it or anything.
It was just – sorry.
That was a poor attempt at humor.
But, yeah, he did say, Hey, it's,
you're a little loud. Do you mind?
He did it in a nice way though.
Okay. Got it. So, uh, yeah.
So you were swanning around. Awesome. So,
so it wasn't like a thing where they had the presentation and everyone was sitting watching the presentations.
You basically were walking around.
No, it was that.
But they're on the outskirts, away from the chairs.
There was some standing area, and random people would keep talking to me.
Really. TiaDog was there. You guys keep talking to me. Really?
ChiaDog was there. You guys were talking about him, Kenny. I think he's from London.
Not Thailand, right? I don't know.
Oh yeah, he lives in Thailand though, but isn't ChiaDog different?
They're different people, no? ChiaDog and Kenny?
ChiaDog and Kenny are the same person.
I mean, there might be another Kenny.
That's not...
Yeah.
I don't know about OG Kenny,
but Kenny is Cheer Dog's name.
Gotcha.
So it could be two different people.
Possibly. Gotcha. So it could be two different people. Possibly.
Yeah.
And Art didn't mention Birdman was there.
That was a surprise.
Now, I really am tempted to ask a certain question,
but I pre-decided I'm not going to talk about what anyone physically looks like, because I don't know
what it is. So yeah, I just
wanted to say that again. But
yeah, we can talk about Birdman. What's he...
It's hard
to phrase it without asking a question about what he
looks like. Please carry on with what you were saying.
I didn't mean... I did mean to interrupt.
Birdman looks like Shane Gillis'
brother. I don't want to know.
Okay? If he doesn't look like his PFP, I don't want to know. He looks like Shane Gillis' brother. I don't want to know. If he doesn't look like his PFP, I don't want to know.
He looks like Shane Gillis' brother.
I'm not going to say what he looks like.
No, no, no.
Don't talk about what he looks like.
He doesn't actually look like his PFP.
That's what I said.
I'm not going to say what he looks like.
But, I mean, there is photos of the whole group.
I'll just say that.
Yeah, I did see a photo photo but it didn't specify who which
one it was so i just kind of right it's better not to know i guess but don't me but can i just
could i just ask this is he playing a character as birdman or is he actually like that in so my
my interpretation and who knows really but my interpretation was every instance that we interacted with Birdman on Twitter prior to that was a character.
And it was, I mean, it's a long con, but in my opinion, everything was a character.
So take that as you will.
I respect that.
If it is all character,
keeping the bit for so long,
that takes a lot of dedication.
I think it might be his undercover thing.
He can get away with saying whatever he wants on Twitter
if it's in the character, you know, not associated with his name kind of thing.
Right, yeah, that's his bar name.
Yeah, that's his bar name that he tells all the ladies.
Yeah, I'm Birdman.
Yeah.
I would agree with Steve's assessment.
I tried to get Birdman to, I was like, come on, are we going to get some cloaks?
Are we going to go out and have like, you know, a church of Chia ceremony where we bag people and bring them into a dark basement and get them going?
And no, he was bashful.
He was shy.
He was not the birdman
of X
spaces
I don't know about shy but he
wasn't he was
he wasn't the
outlandish personality that you hear
on spaces
like on twitter he's a little bit of a bull
in a china shop or whatever.
It's not that...
He doesn't present himself that way in real life.
Unless that's another character.
The real one is something
else. I don't know. But yeah,
it kind of makes sense what you're saying.
I'm going for character
then. That sort of... I've never been
trying... I always thought he was AI honestly, he was that good
then, so he was that talented
that I thought it was probably
AI, it was just too
good to be true at the start in a sense
a bit of controversy and
he makes people laugh but then he went
so far I thought, is this
an AI you should stop?
but you can't censor an AI because what if it's a real
person behind it? so it's a real person behind it?
So it's a bit of a moral...
He was not a registered
attendee, so he didn't register beforehand
and he probably paid at the door
or whatever. So when
Monkey Zoo introduced me to this guy, he's like
hey, do you know who this is? I was like, no
who's this? He's like, well take a guess
and I'm like, well, let me see your name tag
and he had
one of the generic name tabs that i made that just said chia toronto 2025 or whatever and i was like
hmm let me hear you talk some you know and and he doesn't sound like what he does on x and so um
i was like man i'm not i'm not sure and there was something that monkey zoo said
I was like, man, I'm not sure.
And there was something that Monkey Zoo said,
or he said something about, like, you want him to say one of his catchphrases,
and I said, no way, it's fucking Birdman.
Just knew immediately when he said that.
I was like, no fucking way.
It's Birdman.
Yeah.
So you heard him do a catchphrase live?
No, he did not do the catchphrase.
Monkey Zoo just said, should he do a catchphrase? And I was like, I the catchphrase monkey zoo just said should he do a
catchphrase and i was like i just knew immediately that's who it was yeah of course my conspiracy
mind i've got to go there is could it be an actor and not the real birdman they sent i know that's
a bit crazy but did he sound like birdman when he spoke more or less? He, he, when I got, when I was rising him to, to get some,
some hoods and start and do a church of Gia, um, you know,
presentation, I got him to do, do, do a little bit of the, yeah.
Hey, you know, like the, the voice of like, yeah, yeah.
You could tell him a little bit.
I'm pretty sure it was the sure it wasn't an actor.
It was a real Birdman.
I mean, who the hell are we to hire an actor to go and pretend to be you?
I mean, you could be Puerto Rican Birdman.
We all know.
Oh, yeah, Puerto Rican.
Yeah.
That's true, I guess.
It was a good time though i had i actually had way more fun at the
chia event that tuesday night than i did going to consensus the rest of the week which i did go to
consensus i guess maybe each day for a little bit and met up with different chia people there to do
different activities.
But a lot of the event, which that part was great,
seeing those guys and socializing and whatnot, but the consensus itself, it's just not my cup of tea.
It was a lot of people who liked to hear themselves speak,
and it was a lot of people trying to get in all the good buzzwords and it's just the way i felt like and if you wanted to walk around and get
you know ink pens and whatever other junk they were giving away
it was a marketing event toted as consensus it it was a marketing event um for sure which i didn't go
to any of the booths and pick stuff up but there were like the booths were all kind of in the
middle and on the surrounding areas were different stages where they had seating like little small
kind of like in the chef's hog like like little seating areas with a stage where there were presenters
talking about different things.
And I watched some of those.
It was like an hour and a half wait to get in that place.
There was a whole like security line that you had to wait to get in the door.
And then once you got in past security, then you had to queue up in another line to get registered for your badge and stuff.
And it was kind of brutal.
It was brutal.
And they charged you quite a lot for it.
So it's a bit weird in a sense. Yeah. You were saying it was like a, Bradley, you were saying it was like a marketing event disguised as a networking event. I heard you say that in the direct space. And it's kind of, it sounds a bit like the one in Bangkok as well.
expensive or whatever and it's in my city but yeah there wasn't much meat on the bones
there was no apps there was nothing major it was just people kind of talking but it sounds similar
to that so maybe it's a sign of the state of the blockchain ecosystem in terms of development that
they have to like cover up networking events with marketing otherwise there's nothing to talk about
maybe well i don't know but it sounds like the one in Chia, though,
is more...
There's a lot more energy with it.
It sounds like that was more like a real event,
so it's organic as well.
Yeah, I'll be interested to see the videos
that when Chia publishes them,
I'm pretty sure they're gonna post the
videos of each of the I think was seven or eight talks right yeah something like
that no 13 it was yeah whatever however many there was there's there's quite a
few presentations at at the Chia event how long were the presentations roughly
each one I mean I think they all varied but probably somewhere between five and How long were the presentations roughly?
Each one, I mean.
I think they all varied, but probably somewhere between five and ten minutes.
Okay, makes sense.
Yeah.
Did you do one?
I did not.
I did not.
Okay.
I saw your name early on the list as one of the star people, so I wasn't sure if you did a presentation too, but I bet everyone was grabbing you.
That probably explains it.
Yeah, well, so you mentioned earlier about me being doxxed in my – no, that was art.
But anyway, about seeing my face is out there so people knew who I was.
And many people knew who I was.
I didn't know who they were until they introduced themselves
where I saw their button I made these buttons like um that people could pin on their shirts to
with their pfp image and their name so yeah that is foresight there that is real nice stuff there
I had to kind of I came up with the idea of a button, but I was making,
so I made like 50 of them that were my Chia friends.
Like I just took different versions of my Chia friends, printed them,
had them printed into like circles.
And then I found these blank plastic buttons that you could,
you could pin on your shirt or whatever that would
fit that that um circle of my chia friend so i was like oh i'll just add this in there and then
give them away you know pass them out free for people to have like a and it's a sticker so it
looks like a button but if you can open it up and actually get it out it's a sticker that you can
stick on a laptop or you know whatever you want and then i was telling
john about it and he was like oh you should do you can use my couple of chia friends if you want
and um so i made a couple for him and then he said something about we should just do the pfps
for all the attendees and i was like hell yeah we So, yeah, that's kind of how that went down.
I think that was a pivotal part of the connection and the flow of the event, Steve.
I think that that was a huge hit.
I know I made a bunch of them.
It was fun.
It was nice to see that people actually enjoyed them. So, I mean. Everybody was wearing them for the night with the exception of Bram.
You could tell his social skills of like, or not skills, but like comfort level, you know, was a bit over the top.
A lot of people for him, I feel.
Yeah.
I think that's probably true.
Gene was cool to me, cool to shake hands with.
Shorter than me wasn't necessarily expecting that.
Yeah, it was just kind of neat to see people in the flesh.
Drac is damn tall.
I didn't realize he was so tall.
Yeah, yeah, he's a tall motherfucker.
He's been rubbing that in since Vegas.
Wait until Edward shows up at one he'll be
eight foot tall isn't that how tall you are edward
it's somewhere between that yeah eight footish six foot four eight foot what what do you you're
from england what do you use for your measure you say you're like 25 hands tall or something like that. Is that right? Yeah.
Four cats and three
wrappers of fish and chips tall.
14 hands, 27 stone.
Stone. There you go.
That's right. That's weight. Stone is
weight. Yeah. 14
hands, 27 stone.
Okay.
I guess we say feet and inches, but I normally just say 10 inches.
So, but anyway, enough about me.
I normally say 10 inches.
Oh, sorry, Freudian slip.
194 centimeters.
69 inches.
Okay.
That's what my license says
i always found bram really i never found him awkward in spaces so maybe it's just because
a lot of people have an expectation of him because people you know he's invented BitTorrent and all he may
just be just yeah awkward at meeting people but maybe once he's met them he's really not awkward
if that makes sense sure sure yeah yeah well I well to be fair I think some of it is like you're
I can only speak for me I guess but putting some of that on myself
where i felt awkward because i felt like he was he's so smart that i don't know what the hell i
would say to him and i don't want to sound like an idiot you know so i don't want to say stuff to
him where i sound like i'm a fool you know sure so so he might be slightly awkward, but I was slightly awkward too. So I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It makes sense.
I think it's just, that's human nature when you really kind of like someone, I guess.
It's easy to overcompensate.
And I think we all do that.
So, but I'll tell you one thing I did do was before the event started, we got the event was supposed to open or whatever at three and we got there around two.
So we like went inside this little cafe that's in the same building, but like next door to it to kind of wait.
And some some people got drinks and some people got coffee or whatever.
So we were just kind of waiting.
And Bram walked through that cafe on his way to the event.
And this was probably like maybe 10 minutes before it opened or whatever.
And so somebody said, there's Bram.
So I yelled his name.
And he heard me.
Like he was pretty good distance away by that point.
But he heard me.
He turned around and came back.
He was walking back towards us. So I stood up and like walked towards him and shook his hand and like
introduced myself and then said we know the the event's not open yet it opens in just a little bit
but we're kind of met up here in this cafe or whatever and um later on i found out he doesn't
like to shake hands i was like shit so i made an ass of myself right off the bat
see maybe that's why now i feel like an asshole too because i shook his hand and he just
went blank on his face yeah i i feel like he probably realized that he's going to get in that
situation when he goes to those type events but that doesn't mean he likes it either you know
and if i would have known beforehand you know i wouldn't i would have said hi you know but i he's going to get in that situation when he goes to those type of events, but that doesn't mean he likes it either. You know,
and if I would have known beforehand,
you know,
I wouldn't,
I would have said hi,
you know, but I wouldn't have tried to shake his hand,
but oh well.
Yeah.
And being ultra paranoid,
if you're a kind of famous person,
someone touching you could in theory,
like I'm not,
you know,
I'm trying to say it's like mission impossible.
Maybe it's just
paranoid of being touched, because
I don't know, whatever,
but, yeah.
Sorry.
I got a question.
Somebody was...
Sorry, can you hear me?
Yeah, no, it's good. I missed the first little bit you said.
Oh, yeah, I was saying,
I feel like it was probably more of a,
like he doesn't like germs kind of thing,
like shaking hands is kind of sketchy, really.
Yeah, unless it builds your immune system, I guess.
I don't know.
We're all in.
That's what I'm going with.
Yeah, that makes complete sense.
But, yeah.
So, I've got so many little questions.
I don't know if you can hear that in the background there.
But, yeah, what's going on with data layer that's what i'm really
that was what i was hoping there'd be news of but i'm not sure
what's going on was it a public news thing that when michael presented michael's got some things
cooking um very soon he's gonna be he's in the works. So some good stuff coming.
Yeah, but I'm asking at Chia Toronto, did Michael Taylor say anything about the data layer that was meant to be published?
Yes, that's what I'm saying during his presentation. That's what he was saying. He's working on some big stuff right now, but it's not finished, so he didn't want to talk about it.
So it was a tease for updates coming soon.
Okay, fair enough.
So, yeah, was there any other surprising news for any of the teams?
Or I don't know.
I guess it was more like a social than a – I was kind of thinking that maybe there'd be like a couple of headlines or something like, oh, we're going to announce this soon or something.
But perhaps it wasn't like that yeah so i i want to just clarify that i i was not kidding earlier
when i said i didn't listen to any of the talks i i was legitimately talking so i had no idea
what was announced and i'm eagerly waiting the videos from chia as well but yeah i mean i read Yeah. I mean, I read John's summary, and he mentioned a tiny little portion about each one, but you can't go into depth in a summary of the whole event like that.
Yeah. And John, shout out to Slowest Time Lord John as well. He was, was he the co-organizer or the working with foods to set it up he deserves a big shout out
yeah him and sabari uh which is the space ganga and foods
wow sabari as well shout out sabari yeah it sounds like they've really created something
i know and what's tor Toronto like as a city?
I've heard so many things.
Oh, man.
It's a big city.
It's a big, big city.
Yeah.
For me, that's probably – is it the biggest city I've been in?
It's the biggest city I've been in where I'm like in the downtown area
where there's essentially skyscrapers everywhere.
I may have been in suburbs of bigger cities like Chicago maybe, but anyway.
How does that compare to a U.S. city?
What's the equivalent? Is it New York? L.A.?
New York, LA?
I don't.
Like I was saying, I've not been in downtown city areas like that before
around Skyscrapers, so I'd have to defer to someone else.
It was big for me.
I walked everywhere.
I didn't rent a car.
I wasn't going to try that.
I've heard that it has some of the best food in the world.
That's what I'd heard years ago.
I think Jim Ross, the wrestling commentator,
said that the ribs in Toronto was almost as good as anything he'd ever had.
And I've heard that about different foods as well in Toronto.
So I'm really curious about the food they had as well.
I did not have any bad food, but I didn't range out all that much, really.
So I can't say for sure.
Like, I had, like, a lunchbox thing at the Consensus that they gave away for free in the hackathon.
consensus that they gave away for free in the hackathon we like snuck into the hackathon and
We, like, snuck into the hackathon and took food.
took food and like it went to some like pub style places in the evening so i i don't know that that
would be known for food so much okay if anyone ate any food in cheer toronto please come up on the stage. I'd love to hear about it. Was it a relaxed place?
Like, was it dangerous?
Or did it have a vibe about it?
I didn't get the feeling of danger.
There were some homeless that were around in the downtown area a little bit.
But it seemed like downtown is like the business district
like there was a lot of there's a lot of people at least that was my impression
people who were in the middle of their workday kind of thing that makes sense
yeah awesome shout out DBC cheese bigy. Good to see you guys. Please come up if you want to chat.
Chia Toronto. Yeah, awesome stuff. And how long did it take you to catch up with this week in Chia?
Fuck.
That was a lot.
I caught up late Monday night, really early Tuesday morning,
and I got home Saturday.
But I had a bunch of stuff to do to catch up,
not just with that, with other non-chia stuff and I had I
couldn't I had to actually work Monday so I couldn't like I was a week behind
in at work as well that had to catch up on Monday so Monday was super busy for me my work day itself. That earned stripes too I guess when you're squeezing that in before a
work day. Wow you had a bit of a weird journey too I guess it wasn't quite as
bad so Bradley's was 47 what was yours? So traveling there, I was in the – well, I got up at like 4 in the morning so I could drive two hours south to the airport.
The airport in my town is so small that I could drive down to Nashville and get a direct flight.
So that's what I did but I had in this was a little bit on me I
guess but the the last vacation I went on back in October they missed my flight like I got there
40 minutes before the plane before boarding the plane no sorry 40 minutes before the flight but it was like 20 minutes before the plane
started boarding they would not let me check in they said you're too late i'm like the plane's
still here what do you mean and they're like you have to be here at a minimum an hour before your
flight but you should be here three hours because it's international i'm like uh and so i miss i
miss my flight i didn't make it to my resort until the next day because it was the last flight
going out it was like at nine or whatever the no sorry uh
there's one flight today it was like between seven and eight p.m or a.m sorry a.m anyway so i got there early i got up
at four in the morning i drove to nashville i was there i'm confusing the two times with this time
i was there by seven this time and um my flight wasn't to like 10 20 or something like that and then once i got to the flight we got on the plane
and they had to get us all off the plane for maintenance issues and then there was a couple
of delays and then finally you know before you notice it's lunchtime and they end up canceling
the flight and saying we're going to rebook you on a later flight. Then there's a flight booked for 6 p.m.
And then that gets rescheduled to like 940.
And so eventually it's the last plane out of Nashville into Toronto.
And by the time I get in Toronto, land, get my bags because I had a checked bag,
get on this train and over to Union Station, travel over to Union Station,
then come out of Union Station and walk to my hotel and check in.
I got in bed at like 1.30 in the morning.
So it was traveling from like 4 a.m. to 1.30 in the morning.
It was traveling from like 4 a.m. to 1.30 in the morning
But that wasn't near as bad as staying in the airport for two days like art did that would suck
Yeah
And they get you like all hyped up because you're like oh the plane's gonna leave and then you're like nope
I spent all day in the airport and now like I have to stay in a hotel and then try again tomorrow.
Yeah, they don't tell you at 9.40 when they first pulled you off the plane, like, just go ahead and drive because, you know, it's going to be another 14 hours
before we can get you on the plane or on the flight, you know,
because it's a nine-hour drive from my house.
It was an 11-hour drive from Nashville,
so I could have driven it.
That's mad.
So two of you could have traveled faster by driving than the flight.
Crazy.
Yeah.
I would not have wanted to drive to inside of Toronto, though.
So I'm actually kind of happy I didn't.
Yeah, Ray was driving us around tech ninja and he was driving crazy
i i guess maybe it'd have been okay with g or whatever, but I don't know.
They need people to pick you up on the outskirts and take you in, like local drivers. I mean, I'm sure there are people that offer that.
You could probably, like an Uber or whatever, anywhere.
But they have pretty good mass transit like um i took union station you're like a the train i caught the
train from the airport to union station which was maybe like a 20 minute train ride and it right
into the middle of downtown union station is and my hotel was literally across the street it was
you know just literally across the street from union station so you know, just literally across the street from Union Station.
So it was actually called the Union Hotel. It was right there.
And I suppose I've got to ask you, Steve, what was young art with heart Bradley Wallace
like in real life?
In physical world, I should say.
Because space is our real life.
That was poorly phrased.
I'm promoting the idea of space is our real life.
In the physical world, how did it go?
I mean, he's the same person I've known since the beginning, right?
I mean, he's another one like me,
his face is known.
So I knew visually what he looked like.
I knew what to expect.
And I think when we met, we just hugged.
I think that's the way that went.
Same for Drac, you know.
Stomach to stomach.
There's some... Well, I don't know about stomach to...
Not that kind of hug.
It wasn't...
Tip to tip, okay?
Tip to tip.
We weren't crossing swords.
It was a one-armed hug by each of us, I think.
That kind of thing.
I'm picturing one of those three-minute hugs before the mother says goodbye to their son who's off to World War I or something.
Yeah.
I might be giving you the wrong impression.
That was the end of the night, not the beginning of the night, okay?
The first time you met, how off guard that would take you.
There's a comedy sketch in there.
Yeah.
One of us should have just tried to make it as awkward as possible.
That would have done it for me.
If that's what art with heart would have done,
I would have been like, dude, what the fuck are you doing?
Oh, good vibes.
Yeah, I can't wait for the next one foods are saying texas next year i don't know it feels like you should just do it in toronto and do texas too but maybe that
the magic of once a year is where it's at too it's worth thinking about that
i don't know if it's possible to do too many events but it's basically either yeah i don't
possible to do too many events, but
it's basically either...
Yeah, I don't
envision that
other ones would,
at least if they're done this same year,
I can't imagine the other ones would
have the same draw of people.
You might have ones that
weren't able to travel to Toronto
but are in the south of the
US who can...
or in the Texas area or whatever.
I would – I'd probably go to Texas one because I could drive to that.
And Matthew Hintz mentioned something in Nashville.
I would absolutely drive to that.
That's just two hours for me.
When you said that you missed the flight
or you didn't miss it, they wouldn't let you check in
how long before the flight did you actually arrive?
So to be clear, that wasn't this trip
that was back.
I was talking about October when I went to Antigua, like the Caribbean island for a week at a resort.
And I went to Nashville the night before Friday, got a hotel room, stayed in the hotel room in Nashville.
Got up that morning to go to the airport before my flight and i think i was
giving myself like an hour and a half before the flight right something like that like it
the nashville airport is really not that big it's not like you're going to be running to all these
terminals or whatever it's just like you go through security and you're and there's like
two wings or whatever you're it's
not gonna be far to get to your gate but um there's a ton of construction going on at least it back
in the fall there was and the long-term parking was not like the roads were different like that
is wasn't the same road the the entrance is different and i ended up finally
finding it and it was like you had it was a new road turned prior to and went like down under this
tunnel and over the the highway or sorry under the highway that normally wasn't there before
and that led you into where the long-term parking section was
and once I finally found that I parked and made it up there and I it was 40 minutes before the
flight was supposed to take off so I'm just going to make up numbers but let's say the flight was at
7 40 and I was at my gate at like 7 20 or, I was at the check-in at like 7.20.
Which was probably when they opened boarding to get on the plane.
But they would not let me check in.
They said you have to check in an hour before, at least an hour before your flight.
And that was the Chia Toronto trip. I think I'm getting confused.
No, no, no.
This was October for for antigua i'm really
interested in the cheer toronto one like how early before the flight you were i'm curious if they
stop you oh i got there three they didn't stop me boarding for that one i that one was um
i got there at 7 a.m in the morning i knew where where the parking was that time so i
knew how to get there and i got there at 7 a.m for a for a 10 40 flight i think it was
so it sounds like this so but stopping people boarding there so so sorry it was a 10 20 flight
because they started boarding at like 9-40,
and they got us on the plane.
And once we were on the plane, we just kept sitting there, sitting there,
sitting there, and finally they turned the air off.
And they said they had – we were going to wait on the tarmac
while they did maintenance or something.
And then finally they're like, okay, we're going to have to deplane
because they had to turn the air conditioning off, and's getting too hot and so we have to get everybody
off the plane so it's madness planes used to work perfectly right like i'd know that i did them but
the stories are like you turn up in the 70s with a cigarette or whatever five minutes before well
maybe not five say 10 minutes before the flight get on and just smoke on it i mean the smoking is
a bad thing but you could just get on quickly with like outdated technology and computer
systems and less things this and the other and now it's like it's almost to me it's madness
what's happening and i think it's by design but that's just me welcome to the stage dbc jump in
any time uh yeah how's it going dbc uh. You're talking about travel and it's one of my
favorite things. So I thought I would try to... If you got horror stories also that we're sharing
tonight. You know what? That kind of thing has only happened to me one time and it wasn't...
I don't think it was a horror story. I had a ride from Malta into Germany and we only had like,
realistically, according to the boarding pass, we only had like 45 minutes to make it to the next
terminal. And so my wife and I are kind of like running, skipping through the terminal and we get
there, even with a late plane, we get there like 10 minutes 12 minutes
before the flight is supposed to stop boarding not not leave but stop boarding and we can see
the plane and we can see the bus that's driving to the plane but they wouldn't let us on because
they claimed it was the last bus so there was nothing we could do. And the only the only difficult thing about it was that we spent.
I think we spent three hours.
Negotiating with Cathay Pacific.
A way to get on their next flight to Hong Kong.
And they were and I don't know, I think Asian carriers are a world different than North American carriers.
And they basically bent over backwards and gave us like one free flight by allowing us to use a
third of our mileage points because I guess they felt bad. I don't know. It actually worked out. I was able to keep my flight on Lufthansa, and my wife was able to negotiate a flight on Cathay, and we got home.
So I guess it really depends where you fly from and to and maybe the way Mercury is aligned.
Wow.
So you actually – you and your wife flew back on different flights to get home
and like you separated and like went yeah i mean we didn't want to do that but it was like really
it was like super cost effective it's like well i don't lose anything by just getting bumped to
the next flight it was something to do with the type of ticket we had bought or tickets so it
didn't work for her to get bumped to the next flight and she i think also she had
some kind of meeting to go to or something so it made sense for her to leave like an hour earlier
or something like that so yeah but they were just really nice because i don't know why they we maybe
we said the right things and but but i guess i can't remember the guys i think his name was
nicholas or something
I remember we sat there and talked to him for like an hour
and a half
while he tried to work out a deal for us
or how to get my wife on a flight
I think that was probably what it was
because of the
they have like Y codes, A codes
all these codes and stuff
I think somehow she had a weird code
and she had been a frequent flyer
with them and they felt sort of bad that by some kind of technicality she wasn't able to get on the
flight so they worked really hard and helped yeah also there's a I don't think everybody is this sort of hyper focused as I am or vigilant as I am.
But I find that you can get data from people about what's really happening to your flight, like minutes ahead of where the official announcement comes from.
If you talk to the right people. So I always I always hang out around areas where the like the engineering crew is and the guys with the walkie-talkies
with the knee pads and stuff.
They know what's going on, and they'll get that information like 20, 30 minutes before we do.
And so I'll sit next to them because I travel a lot.
I'll sit next to them, and I'll listen to their walkie-talkies.
I'll listen to the codes on their conversations.
And basically, I'll be like, oh,, we got to move to the next gate.
And like, we'll just start walking.
And then like half an hour later, the flight has been moved to, you know, gate 67 or something.
Yeah.
That helps.
But I don't think many people will spend that much time on that.
That's a hustle right there.
Being the guy who's got the walkie-talkie thing if he sees people
like you coming like give us a fiver like backhander
no it's like it's like there's a whole like uh you know the whole language going on in airports
right like there's a whole code system going i. I mean, when I say code, I just mean like culture code and the way people are dressed, who they talk to can tell
you a lot about what's going on with the flights and what's about to happen. I love watching
it. It's really interesting.
I always find it amusing that people are in such a rush to get on the plane when they can't leave until everybody's on anyway.
So if you're the last one on and it's and it's assigned seating.
So like if it's a plane that doesn't have assigned seating, maybe that makes sense.
But yeah, they always rush to get on the plane and the plane is
not comfortable it's not as comfortable as having a little bit more space in the gate at least because
they threaten to check your bags if not so if you can't fit above the above in the chat like the
compartments they'll check your bags below i just take a little backpack that goes under the seat
in front of me anyway on the plane so i don don't, I don't, I'm not worried about the overhead storage or whatever.
Yeah.
I never check bags if I don't have to.
No, no.
I do.
I do check a bag.
I just don't, I don't have a carry on that I have to worry about.
I just have like a personal item, I guess.
If that makes sense.
You know what I mean?
It's not big enough that it won't slide under the seat in front of me and have to go in the overhead bin.
I know what you're talking about.
I just never do check-in.
I never check my bag.
I always have a carry-on and then a personal bag.
Well, on this trip to Toronto, I wouldn't have had a checked bag except I had like buttons
and I decided to bring my cameras and so I had like a camera bag and some different things.
But I can totally go a week for just out of a small backpack.
That's no problem for me.
Yeah.
I think that's the magic thing there.
You've got to just do hand luggage only and keep it on you.
I inadvertently ended up living out of three outfits for a week last week.
At the airport?
Yeah.
Yeah, that was a concern for me like um it was probably nine o'clock at night that night trying
to fly there and they've been delaying and rebooking flights all day for me so i was like
am i gonna am i gonna make this or not you know um the event was the next day like
three or whatever 3 p.m. the next day
Because if I need to drive I need to leave now or I'm not gonna make it You know me like I'm gonna make the event one way or the other
These are gonna get me on this flight or I'm gonna start driving to Toronto tonight and drive straight through
But I was worried about my bag checked bag because that had all the buttons and stuff in it. So I
Was I was sweating it for a minute.
Oh, what bird is that, a bird?
It's beautiful, isn't it? Oh, there's Gow Wow news!
Let's just...
Call me some Gow Wow.
Let me...
I'll tell the Gow Wow news in a minute.
I'll tell the gao-wow news in a minute.
Let's first listen to the news.
The humperdink motherfucker bird.
This is the humperdink.
Yeah, that's a beautiful bird.
So the gao-wow, then, is crazy.
You know I said the gaoo wow always appears in that tree.
I can see it.
And it basically does that thing on and on, sometimes for months,
and sometimes literally from 4 in the morning till 4 p.m.
And if you're trying to record sound, well, you've got a gao wow in it
if you're recording at that minute.
Anyway, so this year, well, not this year.
Well, it was this year, but specifically the last few weeks,
I hear a different sound.
It's like, and I look out, and it's got like a mate,
like a female one, I guess.
And so it's like it's found its mate, and then it's like,
I'm good, and then it just goes quiet.
And they just sit there happily so that it's now silent,
but just flying from tree to tree with a girlfriend that isn't talking which is i guess with gowows that's probably a good thing but
but there you go go wow news so the guy is the asian coal right that's it yeah Yeah. Yeah. That's the old, like the male, the black one,
is the one that makes that horrible music,
usually at 3 a.m., 5.30 a.m., and like right in the middle of when you're doing your radio show, whatever.
And you are absolutely right.
As soon as they find a mate, they'll stop
because the only purpose for that sound is to mark territory and attract a mate.
So we feel bad for the one next to our house because I don't think there are any other coals next to it.
It's always every year doing it from like March until first part of June.
Wow. So it's, yeah, that's it. it it's confirmed I kind of couldn't believe it yeah but it would
make sense. And I think it's a type of cuckoo I think it's a cuckoo bird as well like I think
it invades other birds nests and plants eggs in them. Yeah I'm not 100% I think you're right there is one bird that does that I think that's
the minor the Indian minor but probably they both do actually but yeah it's definitely in
the cuckoo category and it's spelled what is it K-O-E-L the Asian K-O-E-L. The Asian K-O-E-L. You should write that down.
And we have an interesting bird, if anyone's interested in birds, in our neighborhood.
And nobody believes me, but it's true.
Usually in Hong Kong we have these things called the black kite, which is a large predatory bird with a wingspan of like two and a half feet.
predatory bird with a wingspan of like two and a half feet.
But there is a much, much larger raptor, I think they call them, that has a wingspan
that I'm guessing is around five and a half to seven feet.
And I think it's an eastern imperial eagle.
There have been two sightings of one almost near the Shenzhen border, near the water.
There's like a Maipo wetlands, but there is one in our neighborhood that sort of sits in the tree line.
And I've seen him for three weeks rising up out of the trees in the morning because I have a rooftop garden I go up to.
And the birding people in Hong Kong don't believe me.
But this thing is massive.
Like it flies right over our roof, and this thing is at least, its wings are at least as long as I am tall.
It's really amazing.
Jeez.
Welcome Mr. Zoticus back to the stage.
Hey yo, what up?
Damn, not everybody at once.
One at a time.
We wish you a Merry Christmas. We wish you a Merry Christmas.
We wish you a Merry Christmas.
Well, it is almost July, and
I think I'm going to get my Christmas
gifts early this year.
We were listening to the bird noises that Edward had
in the background.
Bird up.
I think I can hear Birdman.
How dare you, Edward?
How dare you?
How do you know what gender those birds are?
I guess the gowow is male, is it?
The loud one.
I don't know if female gowows do the sound too.
Perhaps they don't.
I'm guessing that the female wouldn't.
Otherwise, the male would just go there, right?
But this one now, I can't quite see it. I'm guessing that the female wouldn't otherwise the male would just go there, right?
But this one now I can't quite see it
I'm not sure, maybe it's the same
philosophy, the man does the same
but maybe it's not, maybe the female does it with this species
who knows, if anyone knows
I don't know, Fudd
you're a bird expert
want to help us out?
Yeah, I didn't end up going to the dispensary because I'm a bit tired,
so I'm just going to get delivery tomorrow.
Oh, poor you.
I know, right poor me.
Yep, completely poor. I have no money. Yep, 100%. I am poor.
I love the fact we live in the era that weed is basically legalized.
What a generation to... It's got to be better than the 60s.
Really, in reality, living through weed legalization.
Then again, it's a bit
dark, isn't it, economically?
But then again,
can't have it all.
Bro, if the United States didn't have
legal weed, people would start shooting each other
by now. Okay, let's be real.
Yeah, it could be a big factor.
I say that as a person who
again not all states are
legal in one way recreational
medical
but yeah
it's a battle
I've got to give a shout out for Tourism Thailand
who at some point
I actually want to approach to
do a Muay Thai promotion worldwide.
But anyway, I've got a price check on the visas to Thailand. And that's currently a magic
promotion. It's basically five year visas they're handing out. It used to be one year and it used
to be tough to get one year, but we're not tough, but annoying, let's say guaranteed, but annoying.
Now it's five years and easy. And also the price is basically you're looking at $700 and that includes the
cooking course, I guess, that you pay for that sort of goes on the visa.
So it's about $700 for the visa, which is I think pretty good.
So great place to live.
Great place to live.
That's not terrible at all.
That's not terrible at all.
A couple of people that I follow online on Instagram, they love it there.
They've moved actually quite recently in the past year.
Yeah, such a beautiful culture i should do a chia bangkok event
chia chia everywhere event right we need chia
we need chia hell michigan we need chia detroit michigan we need chia ohio yes We need Chia Hell, Michigan.
We need Chia Detroit, Michigan.
We need Chia Ohio.
Yes, even Chia Ohio.
Also,
we need Chia
at the Chia
headquarters.
We need to all get our Chia pets.
We all need to gather at CNI together.
A Chia headquarters in the metaverse,
if you could link the live audio to that,
now that would be a slam dunk card guess.
But where would the Chia headquarters be
if it was in a metaverse?
Could it be anverse? Could it be
an NFT?
Well, it's obviously
going to be on the moon. That's where
the headquarters says on the moon.
A projected moon would be a cool question.
I mean,
oh, actually, you know what? Now that you
think about it, I've never been to space before,
but I've been on a yacht once or twice, and I do like boat life.
I think you're onto something here, Art.
and I want to go boating it's been a while happy summer is is is almost here
it'll be gonna be a great summer. Both IRL and URL.
Hope you're doing well, DBC. I am doing well dbc
i am doing well i'm doing very well i'm i'm i'm very happy to hear that very well
yeah i was just gonna ask edward are you familiar with the Maesot area of Thailand?
Maesot?
I'm... Is that the one near the...
I've not been, but is that the one near the Burmese border?
Yes, yeah, yeah.
I was just wondering if you'd been there.
That's my...
I haven't been to Thailand in a long time,
but when you were talking about Thailand,
I was like...
I was remembering that I went to Chiang Mai and I stayed with some Burmese, I guess some guys who used to work at a place called Radio Free Burma.
And that university area around in Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai University area.
my university area and this this this one guy i was staying with is a journalist and he hooked me up
with a group i don't i don't really remember the name of this group but this group took me
they picked me up from a bus depot near the border picked me up in a van and then somebody
somebody's brother, some guy, put me on the back of his motorcycle and took me right to,
I think it was Maisat, but it was a very non-populated place. So I don't know if it was
actually in the area, but we went up through this farmland. It was like an orange grove.
And he took me right up to the border and right across from the border were these two burmese soldiers squatting down in the weeds smoking a cigarette they were sharing a cigarette
and they had machine guns across their lap and they saw me and one of them stood up and was like
beckoning well he's like come come over like come over to the side of burma like he was like beckoning, he's like, come, come over, like come over to the side of Burma. Like he was smiling. And the guy I was with was like, don't go there. Don't cross. And I'm like, no, no, I'm
not going to. And he's like, and he points down into this creek bed that seemed to be like a dry
creek bed with no barbed wire or anything. And he said landmines, there are landmines all through
here. And, and then he, and then he said, we need to move back.
We moved back.
And then he showed me this abandoned village with what looked like a Christian mission church.
And the Christian mission church had, I would say, holes that were the size of like maybe an inch wide.
And these were machine gun or some kind of like round
that had been peppered this whole building and then he told me the story that in this area
um which used to be a trafficking area for drugs and people the thai military and the burmese
military or some some group not the karen group not the rebel group, but some group had gotten into like
grenade fights, machine gun fights.
And eventually it was so violent that they basically cleared out the whole village.
And then I was like, I think I kind of want to leave now.
So the guy put me on his moped and we drove back and then up another hill on the like
And then up another hill on the opposite side of where we were.
opposite side of where we were.
And out of nowhere, this old man with one arm comes out of the woods and squats down with us in this rice paddy area and starts talking.
And I guess he had arranged to have this guy come and talk to me.
So I take out my notepad and I'm writing down what he's saying.
And he's talking about how in that period of time,
he had been injured by a landmine during some kind of thing,
like where they were crossing the border
because he was selling fruits or something into Burma
and then sneaking back across the border and
he had stepped on a landmine.
So it is a fascinating country and you never hear about this part of Thailand, this kind
of skirmishing area that's still going on apparently in the northern border, a beautiful,
apparently in the northern border, a beautiful, beautiful part of the country.
beautiful part of the country.
But apparently there's like people being smuggled in in semi-trucks to work in the orange fields from Burma and then smuggled back in.
And they all live in refugee camps right on the border there.
Yeah, I had a student who had been a daughter of basically a family who lived as refugees at the border.
And she ended up being a uni student, I guess, because her parents sort of did the best they could.
And so then when she could, she sort of left and then entered Thailand or went further into Thailand, I guess.
But yeah, then made a lot of herself and she ended up traveling around the world and living in places like Chile and, you know, just being a really open-minded person.
So, yeah, interesting story.
Yeah.
So Thai or a Burmese girl?
Yeah, she was Burmese.
Uh-huh, yeah, yeah.
I stayed with a family in Yangon who did the same thing with their two daughters.
They had two daughters that were like 18 and 21 or something.
And they got them to go to Bangkok to go to school.
And when I was staying with them, they showed me this photo book of them and the girls in Bangkok.
And then they flipped through this book
was amazing they flipped back to the earlier parts of the book to share more about who the husband
and the wife were and the husband and the wife were um were rebels and there's pictures of the
wife in this sort of mal uniform with a m16 automatic rifle and he had a grenade launcher and all these photos I mean
photos look like like they remind me of like Vietnam you know pictures of like
smoke on the horizon like pictures of their battles and stuff like that
fascinating people yeah lovely hearts really open people there's definitely a difference between Burmese people
and Thai in their character I mean it's all positive they're just different uh styles I
guess but they're very distinct but yeah burmese people
are lovely and lots of them have moved to thailand in the last few years because they relax their
they had a label or in thailand that a certain number of people could not be thai i think and
then about five or seven years ago they said anyone from big it's probably part of the asian
i'd guess so there's lots of Burmese people in Bangkok now,
and a growing number as well.
Really nice people.
Yeah, Burmese culture seems very formal compared to, like, Bangkok Thai culture.
I mean, both have a sense of, like, a polite culture to them in some ways.
But the interactions I've had,
they almost seem very scholarly or kind of like,
very respectful kind of,
it could have been just the people I was hanging out with.
I think you're right.
There's a sense of order to how they go about stuff.
So I'm actually meant to go on a date
with a Burmese girl tomorrow, tomorrow night.
But I've known her for years
and it's almost been hard to go on a date with her.
She hasn't said no before,
but I can't really explain it.
It's not like, okay,
I'll see you at the nightclub next Thursday then.
No, it's like, I don't know,
it's the picking the time is harder
so i don't know if that's because there's more of a sense of order in dating perhaps
i don't know i'm still throwing it out but
fingers crossed
you should give her a book as a gift i wondered what you were gonna say yeah
a book that is a nice idea what sort of book should i give her um
i would go for non-fiction something like uh thinking fast and slow or whatever something
that's not like a self-help book but something that's more like hey um here's a glimpse into the human experience
yeah that's a good idea you know what i'm going to take your advice on that
because that is that's that sounds about right yeah just be like you know i i've read some of
this book myself and i thought oh you
you'd really like this and so i went and bought you a copy um tell me what you think
and at least if the date goes well then the next date might potentially happen because then you'd
have something more to talk about because you could be like so what What did you think of Nietzsche's thoughts on the Ubermensch?
What did you think about Chia Lisp developers book for beginners?
What do you think about the debugging protocol for author files And she'd be like, oh, well, I think it's great. I think, I mean, I've never seen anything
so proficient and exact.
No, but they really like books in Burma.
I remember I went to a really,
a very nondescript green building in Rangoon
or Yangon as it's called now.
And all of the books in this bookshop had no titles nothing on the cover
page nothing on the spine but the proprietor the guy who owned the place knew exactly which books
were which and he said uh i'd like to give you i like i mean i paid i ended up paying for it
it wasn't very expensive it was like two dollars for the book but these were all photocopied books and i came away from um my trip to burma with a copy of 1984 in a black bound
nondescript book hardcover book that was all photocopied pages
wow yeah so there's levels to it then.
So perhaps I'll get the X-Files Book of the Unexpected
this week and then next week I sort of
find paper,
I don't know, original Bible or something
so that you don't just...
A Bible?
I don't know if a Bible would go well on a date.
Like...
Give her a photocopied
manual
of a photocopier.
I think the message
the Bible sends might be a bit
almost
confrontational.
Seriously,
trust me, check out Leviticus i mean it's it's a
main riveting read riveting and she'll be like okay i've been doing someone four years here's a bible
see you later she's getting a taxi straight away
She's getting a taxi straight away.
Wuthering Heights.
I know you came here to smash, but have you heard about Job?
I didn't catch that.
You tell her, I know you came here to smash, but have you heard about Job?
Sure.
Listen, before we call it a night, let me crack this baby open and show you what I'm talking about.
And you both get down and kneel.
You're like, you open up the page, and suddenly Edward's like,
And upon ye A great foreign
Home from the sky
Full of fire
And of ice
You do it right in the middle
Of like a 7-Eleven
Like you're getting a coffee and you just do it right
In the middle of a little kiosk with a trash can
You could use it as an
Uno position as a reverse card you could be like
so what do you think about the missionary position and if she goes like shocked face
you pull out the bible
i just think other positions are under let me rephrase that other positions are under, let me rephrase that, other positions are overrated.
There's missionary and that's it.
Here's a Bible. So yeah, I'm definitely going to do that. I'll have to write it down because I probably would forget unless I didn't.
Or just call me in. Just patch me in during the presentation and I'll try to walk you through it.
Just like, excuse me, just a second. I'm sorry.
So where, okay, so where do you take a young woman on a date in bangkok well i guess it would
yeah if it was a someone thai my natural instinct would be to try and meet them
yeah just in a restaurant probably western because they're not as used to it so it's
like a different experience but maybe thai if they prefer that and go from there really
that's what i would do why don't you why don't you go into the basement of that really big mall
and go to the food court and that way there's abundant choice and there's enough people there
that it doesn't feel too like too isolating or too sort of like uh what's the word um high stakes do you know what i mean
it'd be like communal and friendly and like interactive you know
but food court is kind of day-to-day food so that might be like um
uh like it's not i don't want to say there's anything wrong with the food court is kind of day-to-day food, so that might be like, I don't want to say there's anything wrong with a food court, but it's like taking someone on a date. They almost
want, maybe they don't, but like a little bit of, oh, well, what about an Italian restaurant?
Or am I wrong? Perhaps that's what I've been doing wrong.
Maybe pop her a little text and be like, what do you think this idea there's there's abundant choices i don't know i haven't dated for a really long time
Yeah.
yeah same
Same.
But then again, I was doing things a lot different.
I mean, I was in New York or I was in Hong Kong, and so I would just meet people outside.
And so it would kind of turn into a date, I guess, because we would end up talking or whatever.
And then things would flow, and then it's like really low pressure because it's like then you just tell them at the end of the talking or whatever and then things would flow and then it's like really low pressure
because it's like then you just tell them at the end of the night or whatever uh let's do it again
or i'll see you next time let's meet somewhere and you'd get like a yeah or like yeah sure and
here's my number and then right then you've already established what's happening but I don't I don't know I usually I would
just do casual stuff because I felt like formal stuff is a little too much
pressure for me like you go to like an Argentine steakhouse or something and
then there's like grease drilling dripping down your chin or something
gets on your tire I'm with you there I hate eating messy food with girls on a date for sure.
Yeah, and then you're still very hypervigilant suddenly and you're like,
I look like a slob.
So it's like
someone told me a really long time ago that
the really great way to look at potential relationships is that energy is like water.
It flows to the easiest direction.
And so just create the situation where the energy flow is like water.
It goes in the least disruptive pattern and it goes to the right
place and just be open-minded because that will attract to you the people who will transfer energy
to you in that efficient way. And then if you don't think about it and you're not worried about
presentation or you're worried about like conflict or not getting things right, then a lot of the things just work themselves out.
And there's nothing at stake.
Unless you're eating steak.
That's true.
Another reason for avoiding steaks.
I could just deal with a steakhouse i think like those
louisiana prawns with all the like ridiculous sauce you have to eat it with like
almost like a military jacket to stop it splashing everywhere that that sort of thing on a date i but uh yeah i guess uh
also meeting in groups of friends is what they do in thailand a lot so maybe you go for a date
with a girl first time maybe with her friends to karaoke whatever there's a lot of that as well so
going to the pub with a you know a tiger that isn't common
that that would be abnormal for them they certainly don't do that by default but
kind of equivalent things they do
go watching grass being cut together
a good
second date activity I'd say
shout out goat down there sub nerd hey brother i gotta get some sleep i'm heading to you uh new york in the morning for a wedding
um but it was great catching up great Great to be back on Thursday nights.
Love and appreciate you.
Hope everybody else has a fantastic night as well.
Yeah, awesome, Bradley.
Thanks again.
Yeah, I didn't realize you were traveling in the morning.
So thanks for coming.
So yeah, awesome.
See you again soon, brother.
Take it easy.
Much love.
Sweet dreams.
Happy travels. Much love. Sweet dreams. Happy travels.
Happy weddings.
Safe travels, nerd. Sorry if I'm a bit quiet.
I'm here, but I'm planning a trip right now, actually.
trip right now actually.
It's all good.
It's all good.
I bought festival tickets for me and my friend for a festival in Detroit on the 31st of this
month and the 1st of June.
So just right now planning our resting place.
Because I'm not traveling from
Detroit there and back two days.
It's not worth the gas. Might as well
just rent a hotel or a
B&B.
Nice.
What was it you said? Is that the festival
in Detroit?
So it is a hardcore festival
Lots of bands
Performing from all across the world
It's an all day
Two day festival
There's over like
50 bands playing
Both days
Total
We went last year And it was a lot of fun.
And one of my favorite bands that I haven't gotten to see perform in quite a while.
And on such a big stage too.
It's going to be headlining there.
So looking forward to that performance as well as everybody else.
There's always a couple bands
that I don't know know of.
I don't like knowing the entire lineup.
I like to go there and have a couple
sets that I want to
must see and then just kind of
float around
and discover new music.
I like it that way.
Nice. I've it that way. Nice.
I've missed going to festivals.
What's the festival season like in America at the moment?
Are more people going this year than the last few years?
If people are going to festivals,
I can't speak for myself
because I paid in full.
I paid the full ticket price right at Cash Out.
A lot of people, a good example is Coachella.
Coachella this year, a lot of people are actually financing their tickets.
They did not pay the full amount right then and there.
pay the full amount right then and there.
They actually had to finance their tickets.
So, honestly, right now, the festival scene is kind of bleak, if you ask me.
Yeah, there's people that show up right, but most of them can't really afford much at the
actual event, because they got food vendors, and of course, they got merch and stuff like
that.
But for the most part like most people
can't even afford the festival
to begin with let alone the fucking
stuff at the festival like the
foods and the drinks like
it's outrageous the prices that
they have for some of these things
and I don't think it's going to get better anytime soon
but very grateful and
very blessed to to be in the position i am where i couldn't afford it
straightforward right away and for me and my friend both so um very very very blessed very
grateful to be able to afford such things and such weird. Yeah, well, it sounds like festivals are the same as most other things,
is that financially people are having to struggle, I guess.
It's not just like, oh, I'm going to a festival.
It's, oh, I've got to make ends meet to go to a festival.
And that's – so it's like, yeah, the money it costs, I guess, is the thing.
That's the common denominator.
So it's – yeah, I'm glad you told me that.
It's like, because I've been out of the festival scene for so long.
I kind of guessed it might be like that.
But like what the drinks cost and the food at the places,
like it's, you're spending a fortune to basically kind of rough it,
listen to great music.
It's about listening to the music, right?
But that's almost like the last part of it, in a sense,
given what the price is doing and all that.
But Glastonbury's extortionate now.
It used to, I don't know, it's like gone up four times in price,
but it was already like $200.
And now it's just not the same.
So, but I don't know.
I think live music at festivals could stand a chance of a comeback,
maybe, if certain things happen.
I mean, independent festivals, right?
I don't know, could you have like 2,000 people at a festival, throw it together, but just have one band play?
Only one?
Boom.
Absolutely, you can.
Will many people show up for just one band?
I mean, maybe if it's a good enough band.
Also, there are festivals.
We have near me, there's a peach festival where they celebrate peaches and whatnot,
and they make a bunch of peach dishes, and there's stuff like that.
Those are mini festivals that are free to enter and stuff like that more like community stuff right but like
when i'm talking like yeah festivals it's like like you know like you know there's the there's
the yeah uh glastonbury did i say that correct glastonbury glastonbury okay just i want to make
sure i fucked that up um and you know many stuff, right, to where it costs an arm and a leg and sometimes even more of a body part to get into those.
So it's sad, really.
I wish there was more affordable access for people to access music like this.
But at the same time,
these artists and these people that are even throwing these events,
they're not making a lot of money or barely any money at all.
You speak to most touring artists nowadays,
and they're break-even or they're slightly above what they put in,
and that's kind of sad.
And I think that goes across all types of different art,
not just music, but of different mediums, too.
Yeah, it's probably a good time to get musicians in art galleries.
I don't know, maybe it's probably a good time to get musicians in art galleries. I don't know.
Maybe it's a clash, but in real life performances.
In fact, one of the original, the thing I originally applied for a grant on cheer with,
I didn't actually apply in a sense. I reached out to see if I could apply, and then it kind of went dead.
But the idea was that music in the future will be like
ed sheeran's gonna play a coffee shop in bangkok but it's only put together the night before and
it's 30 tickets but they're whatever uh hundred dollars each or whatever or one dollar each you
want to do something get media people talking whatever boom coffee shop becomes a music venue for an hour let's say and it's nft
based but then that to like local musicians how would that work well perhaps yeah hire the musician
for the art gallery or the musician will do a pop-up performance the next day and you promote
it through nfts or get hype going so i think that's the future of live music smaller
shows but a more pop-up but there's definitely a place for big festivals too because there's a
certain energy of humans getting together on mass i think so that that needs to happen too but
that's more there's a lot more risk when lots of people meet right imagine being the head of
security a million person or a hundred thousand person festival.
Like that must be a nightmare to even think about
like crushes and whatever.
So it's worth thinking about, I guess.
Definitely.
Sorry, there is, so to counter this affordability of me saying, you know, all these things are expensive and whatnot, there is actually a band called All American Rejects. they're actually like they have like a tour right now to where they're just doing like
random like DIY styled shows like they're at a college campus one day and then they're in a
bowling alley the next day like you know this is like a very like like well-known mainstream band
and they're just touring America right now just giving giving the love back and of course like you know like
thousands and thousands of people show up right so like it's obviously beneficial for for both
parties it's right it's not like they're doing it for free but at the same time like you know
you know it's affordable like you know i think i heard like like a dollar or two or five for at most like a ticket right like
that's fucking you know nowadays you can't even fucking buy a meal for for three people in your
family and yourself to eat for for for for five bucks like let them own entertainment so like
to me i don't care who the band is, right?
Like, even if I don't like the music, like, yo, $5 for some live music.
I mean, like, you know, sing your heart out.
Also, shout out to Wizard down there.
Hope you're doing well, brother.
Yeah, please come up, Wizard, if you would like to.
Otherwise, by all means, relax in the audience.
Yeah, feel free.
We're just a bunch of Chia nerds.
It's funny.
I was talking all that smack earlier,
but Wizards actually want a few people in the Discord to hang out
and regularly, definitely nothing,
that actually has been getting into chia and uh
just getting into uh you know all all the little fun stuff that we have here
that's awesome yeah it's certainly an interesting time to be in chia it always is i guess
time to be in Chia. It always is, I guess.
It always is,
but ever more so.
It never
really was a dull moment, but now...
Oh, that's for sure.
What happens next?
Oh, there's only one way to find out.
I put a
message in
Chia's Discord yesterday
calling out Marc Andreessen to a debate.
it'll be interesting.
I don't think Gene replied yet, but we'll see.
He technically is
Gene's boss, as I understand it.
I mean, it won't be that hard.
I've delivered messages
for Gene before, so I'm sure he could deliver one for me. But, yeah, it wouldn't be that hard. I've delivered messages for Gene before,
so I'm sure he could deliver one for me.
But, yeah, it'd be interesting to see if he takes that debate.
That would be interesting.
I would love... Dude, I want to see fucking Bram, Charles, and fucking Vitalik go one-on-one.
Yes.
That's what we really need
that's the one there yeah that's it
even if that was once a year
that's it but if that was like once a week
or once a month that would be the
top space in blockchain
how are we supposed to push the space
forward if we can't all
get together and have a conversation
about blockchain technology.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Exactly.
That's what it should be.
I know Gene has a couple of times
added Vitalik and Charles
and tried to get them.
So, you know,
balls in their court.
I'm not sure how much he pushed for it he mentioned it once but i didn't think it was
like a plush push yeah it was just like a mention go ahead dbc well i think and i'm not an expert on
this and i'm not saying that i'm the authority but i mean i think something in perspective
might help like i think i totally agree with that the unfortunate thing is, although I don't even think unfortunate is a good word,
the circumstances are, I think,
that when you're in a highly scrutinized
regulatory review position, right?
It seems to me, and this is not a blaming statement at all.
It seems to me that the entire conversation right now
is mostly shaped by
regulatory people and business people. And I'm talking outside of the technology realm. I'm
talking about people who have sort of put themselves forth as sort of lobbyists for the
space or informants of the space. And so things seem a bit touchy in the sense that, like,
I don't know if some of the sort of ambassadorial people
of this sort of organic technology space
are focused on that sort of internetworking kind of discussion.
I think they're very much focused on how to guard rail or put a moat around their
particular technology but the funny thing about it is the use of blockchain at least on the reading
that in the research that i've done actually breaks down those moats so they're almost working at odds against the actual technology they're claiming to build.
It's a kind of weird circumstance where things are sort of tribal, but also highly regulatory shaping.
Like if everybody's trying to shape the government and the government shape the space around these really huge issues
that are not exactly uh developer driven
yeah absolutely it is strange there's some weird things that kind of don't add up but uh
i think like creating a moat around the software makes sense.
But surely just from a point of view of raising awareness,
like Charles, Gene, Vitalik in a space,
why wouldn't you have done that years ago?
If I'm looking at this and I want to – we don't do marketing,
but doing a weekly space where vitalik would
i mean think of millions would listen to it every week and more so so does doing that stop the moat being secured around the software i feel like they're separate things but so basically i don't
see why it couldn't happen quite easily but let's be honest right like
even the art space i mean i'm coming at it from the nft and art space where
my observation of things are that this technology has a face on it that that pretends to be very
organic and very sort of liberating technology and everybody's supposed to be able to be
liberating technology and everybody's supposed to be able to be sovereign and autonomous and atomic
but that's not actually what drove the creation of the space like what accelerated it were special
interests venture capital funding and um regulatory capture so there was no incentive for a majority
of people who claim to be founders of blockchain technology
to create things that truly were autonomous and atomic. They were incentivized to create things
that would create moats. And so that moat creating ethos is all about returning money to the people who have who have been your benefactors
right and and to yourself and that's why like that the wonderful thread that thomas chow
wrote about uh this think it was paradigm
how eth or ethereum uh mev was not fraudulent creating and it was not like uh targeting people
and like when you read through the exact memo it it's so filled with doublespeak, I think precisely because they cannot burn their own ambassadors.
They can't burn their benefactors, right?
Ethereum is in many ways really self-serving technology.
It's just a duplication of financial double dealing, really.
Yeah, Ethereum's NFTs are pretty damn good, though.
So from a, like, NFT's point of view, Ethereum's ahead of Chia.
Like, if NFTs are the place that DAOs are formed, let's say,
or perhaps I was saying earlier, like, if the spoken voice world is, like, real life,
and it appears it is, from Chia Toronto at least, that direct space,
when it was just the same as a space.
So what's the visual environment?'s what i keep thinking and i think that the visual
environment being some form of an nft that's just permanently on the blockchain linked to the spoken
voice world is uh going to be the thing and so that's nft connects to live voice not chia connects to
live voice so if ethereum's nfts are spread around more and that's where the spoken voice
worlds are triggered i think that that creates a massive amount of value in ethereum but vice
versa with chia if chia could be that place where you're going to have spoken voice words through nft signing then it's going to be cheering sorry edward but i don't know what you mean by ethereum
nfts being spread around more because i don't even think the technology its medium could even sponsor
that kind of behavior and i'm not sure what it means actually ah so there's basically a more
diverse there's more nfts in ethereum there's more big projects there's basically a more diverse, there's more NFTs in Ethereum, there's more big projects,
there's more celebrities have board apes compared to Chia, there's more knowledge of it.
But basically, there's more NFTs on Ethereum than on Chia.
Yeah, but it's self-sustaining system behavior.
It's not, I mean, there may be more by volume, but there's not more by variety, really,
because they're mostly duplications of this kind of thing but yeah but if the if the spoken voice well can i just just drop say this i think
we're slightly on a different point but uh i'm saying that i think the future of it is going to
be entering spoken voice worlds through signing an nft and the value of the blockchain or even how even if NFTs on Chia are a hundred times
cheaper to mint than Ethereum going forward still as of today if the spoken voice worlds were
triggered today with an NFT it's more likely to be on Ethereum because they're just spread
throughout the world more I'm not saying it's better or worse. It's just the NFTs are just spread out more in the world on Ethereum than Chia.
But at the end of the day, the purpose of blockchain, and maybe I'm being too overly
general, but is security and autonomy, right?
And when you put a bunch of media and a bunch of data uh that's parsed or
stored in in in in all these complicated ways you're you're kind of doing a disservice to
the blockchain because you're kind of you're kind of like overloading it with stuff right
and like i i don't feel like i could be, but I don't feel like the purpose of blockchain
was to create a distribution system for media.
I think the purpose of blockchain was to create less friction in the acquisition of financial or other types of asset resources to create more efficient
financialization and more efficient and transparent business operation. So while I agree, I think your
point, to your point, while I agree that there are benefits of censorship resistant blockchain technology to things like media. I don't think that media storage and media data processing is really the best use of blockchain.
Like, it was positioned that way because it was a great accelerant for distribution of blockchain ideas.
great accelerant for distribution of blockchain ideas. Because you would give people this idea
that if I make an NFT collection, I can make billions of dollars, millions of dollars,
just like Bored Ape Yacht Club. But it's the same problem with almost every startup.
Startups look good on the surface because they're being fueled by tons of money.
Right? It eats up. It covers all of the costs that they're eating as they take eight
or nine ten years to develop right and nobody sees that from the consumer commodification point of
view they just see oh number go up i'm gonna do that too right and then there's this whole horde that uses it and it's not necessarily
i mean great some people benefit from it it's just not necessarily what it's for
it was just an accelerant to get people to pay attention to it it was a marketing move
You have to ask companies that are trying to utilize blockchain.
The same question I've heard Gene ask, where does the yield come from?
Where does the money that either drives the operation expenses of that company come from
and who provides it?
And in many cases, that money is coming from outside of a blockchain system.
It's not being driven from the use of fees or the use of the blockchain.
It's being, it's coming from treasuries from venture capitalists or
from private investors or for subtle fundraising schemes that create liquidity.
raising schemes that create liquidity.
So that doesn't mean that I think that NFTs or that kind of structure cannot be
used for arts and media.
I don't want to repeat myself.
It just means that I don't think the sort of top heavy loads are what it's for.
But I don't decide, like, I don't decide how the blockchain is used, you know?
I've seen, you've said some quite strong things in the Chia Discord, but I saw someone quoted
something you had said today in the Chia Plot Discord. I think it was. You were talking about
presume. Actually, I should double check. It's real because someone could have done a Photoshop,
I guess. But it appeared to be something you had said in the Discord about if they had information or private data or something on users.
Is that, does that sound right?
I don't know what you're referring to, what screenshot you're referring to.
You can show me if you like.
I did earlier.
Just to check, are you panicky taters?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You are, you are, you are, okay.
What, I mean...
I've got it on my other phone.
By my memory, what I was pointing out, so in my spare time, so I'm an academic, I guess, I'm a painter, I'm an artist, I'm not really a developer or a technology guy.
So I'm not building a blockchain. I make art and I sell it. But I also write books and essays and stuff like that. So I've been writing a book on art on the blockchain for about two years.
And the art part of that is done.
What I'm talking about now and working on in my essays is an exploration of what Kierkegaard,
the Danish philosopher, was talking about when he was talking about how the use of technology
accelerates mass media or mass behavior in people and
i am interested in exploring how the uses of certain types of technology create fictional
red lines between the moderators and the consumers or the users of that technology to communicate
because i find it very fascinating that many of these sort of like Discord servers
and Discord channels are used for vibing and just chit-chatting and being casual
and being ambassadors to the brand and whatnot.
But if you question things or you try to get into serious discussions,
there is a lot of tone policing that goes on.
So in part of my ethnographic research, what I thought would be
interesting was if I could ask the CNI mods, can I have the data or the chats between you guys
about me to see how you subjectively decide that I'm a troll or that I'm somebody who's not
able to converse with you in the right way.
And so you block me and mute me and whatever.
Right.
And I was told, no, that's too heavy of a burden on us.
And I said, well, if it's already cataloged, it wouldn't be that much of a burden.
You just send me a file.
Right.
To which I got a lot of sarcasm.
sarcasm and then i think what you're referring to is somebody going into another channel and saying
And then I think what you're referring to is somebody going into another channel and saying,
oh you you might want to check out panicky tatas who is completely unraveling in this other channel
and there again this this sort of tone policing is coming up about like oh they weren't saying that
they weren't saying that they were they were just sharing it as if it's an interesting thing from
the cni discord i don't know i don't know what you're referring to i i can only remember
what i saw me being tagged in i don't remember any image or screenshot of me saying anything
i don't know what that is what you're talking about i'm trying to scroll through my discord
to see which group it was in but i haven't found it yet i'll just keep scrolling
I'll just keep scrolling.
Yeah, I haven't bothered to join much Chia discords.
Maybe I should for support.
I don't know.
No, it's not even worth it.
And it's not something where I feel aggravated or upset or offended.
It was an attempt at making an objective
research query. Like, like if you, because there had been an earlier conversation like three weeks
ago where I pointed out moderator behavior is really a kind of like, it's a power move because
you're, you're basically, you're, you have to invent something that keeps your behavior as a moderator
in the managerial position, right?
So there has to be a tone,
there has to be a red line that is crossed
where you have to say, objectively,
this person is a troll
and this person should not keep talking.
Look at the rules, right?
But then you have to ask yourself,
what is really being protected here i mean maybe
brand value is being protected and i respect that but i'm really fascinated with just this idea that
like you can say certain things but not anything like you know what i mean and and but nobody's
being paid to say these things right it's it's a kind of fascinating, I think, a kind of mythology
within the own little small world of the Discord. And so I'm very interested in writing about it,
because I think it really speaks to the same kinds of behavior you see on other social media channels
where people join tribes, gangs, communities, and those communities create cultures that are self-reinforcing,
that generate what people believe is value. And this is what drives token prices and tokenomics
and all this kind of stuff. And people like to make this sort of judgment that it's the same
thing as fiat currency and the government the government printing dollars but it's it's
not it's it's a completely artificial world and so in the context of being an artist where you
are creating artificial things that have some sort of subjective meaning to them or true or possibly
an objective truth to them how does that happen in a space where all the tools are at your disposal to
invent any sort of meaning you like? And then what kind of world is that? Is it a surrealist world?
Is it a chaotic world where we have to come to agreement in collective behavior? Because
if we think too much about the real atomization of the technology, we'll go nuts.
And that's what drives my creation of art is like I try to explore what's really going on in our minds semantically, philosophically, behaviorally, emotionally.
And that's why I make the kind of art that I do.
I don't want to make JPEGs because JPEGs don't feed any sort of critical analysis of the
culture. They're just something where you can be like, oh, that's clean. That's dope.
I'll pay four ETH for it, you know?
But maybe this is just a difference in my point of view as someone who
professes to follow a trade, you know, an act, a craft.
I always love when you share your point of view, DBC, as you, you know, your point of
view comes from an artist, and, you know, a lot of us are fucking degenerates.
Like, we fucking, we trade the shiny toy for the next shiny toy, and then we trade Kumquat
Sonic 10 Inu for coin fuck lover 98
and then we trade it for
the green coin
well let me speak to that really quick
because it particularly relates to you
the piece of art
that you bought that I'm very grateful for
I actually kept
in a disassembled form
because I'm going to give you either the
task or the luxury to complete it. So I painted the canvas board, primed it, sealed it, everything,
and then I created the very unusual, very different format that I've done in any of my paintings
called the somatic machine. And you now have both pieces of that being sent to you
via Newfoundland or wherever it's going first.
And when you get it, it'll be in two separate packages
within one package, you can unpackage it.
There will be a leasing agreement,
which doesn't really mean anything,
it's a performance art, which you sign
to say that you are the tenant of this
piece of art that means you live and are part of the embodiment of this art once you complete it
there will also be an official receipt with my signature on it which says the art is free
uh you can sell it if you want you can do whatever you want with it but it's just a token of my
appreciation to say that i have signed this over to you and then there's like a two two and a half or three page essay called the somatic machine
in it that explains the what i believe to be the purpose of art and what i believe to be
the purpose of the somatic machine which is the which is the body of the brain and the hormones and the synaptic plasticity of the brain and
the mind to look at things and to find oneself to find itself in a weird sort
of subjective relationship between an objective world and a subjective reality
and that's why you will have the task of gluing that one piece to the other piece and have to figure that out.
That means that you will really own the art. You will become a part of that art.
And it also is part of my message as an artist that I don't do this for me.
I'm not doing this to be a name or to be more more famous than grant yoon or x copy right i'm doing this because
to do this physical format to create something out of nothing is to give someone a gift
in some way i guess a sort of ideological gift, not necessarily a commodity gift.
I'm going to be crying tears of joy completing it.
Yeah, and a lot of what I do with material is to choose material that can be easily affected by things like humidity tears sweat blood ink brushing up against it uh because to me the the preservation
the preservation of that piece requires attention and the mistakes that go into that attention
And the mistakes that go into that attention give the piece value over time.
I think more of like a sentimental value over time, because you can look back at the piece and be like, wow, my memory is serving me well here.
I did this and this and this to keep this piece in my family.
Or, I don't know, I shared this with my family or my friends.
Like for somebody else, I made an essay and I gave him the instructions that he keeps the essay with him or next to the art.
And anyone he'd like to show the art to should sign out to read a copy of
the essay so that at least they're taking the time to read the essay while they're looking at the art
and flipping it over to see also what's on the back of the art
now you can't look at the back side of an nft
you know you can look at the code but that's not going to tell you very much in terms
of the artist or the physical reality of that person's connection to the piece.
It's a good thing this is recorded because in six days it will be my last ever
tweets and the then the account will be deactivated for good
when you say when you when you say for good do you do you really mean for good dbc
yeah i do no it's an it's a it's a willful, considered meditative choice.
Can you really say it's forever?
Well, I certainly can't say it's forever, but it's not coming back because once it's deactivated and 30 days have passed, I can't bring it back.
But it's my intention to do that, yeah.
And I've actually considered this for half a year.
And the reason I feel confident in it is that I'm really, really serious about contemplating
and experimenting with the physical form of art
and navigating how difficult it is to communicate a physical piece of art.
And so my plan is, you know, I have this little Kodak thermal image camera. I'm going to print
out QR codes all around the world as I travel through the rest of my life. And those QR codes will lead people to a landing page or an address.
And they can send a postcard.
I mean, I think I'm going with the address thing.
I have a P.O. box.
They can send a letter or a postcard or a photo or something to the P.O. box and receive a piece of art.
letter or a postcard or a photo or something to the P.O. box and receive a piece of art.
So I want very much people's experience with the art to be random, synchronicity.
They happen upon it, they see it, and it somehow speaks to them, right? And so
I thought about this a lot, and I think if you really believe in this idea of atomization and autonomy, then Chia offers you a really excellent format in the offer file that if people can find you and if people can find the art, then they can have the art.
Because it's really easy to transfer it to them.
Through through ways that are not entirely public anymore.
I think the problem that I have with the public is that we often don't meet the real person in a social media or a public setting,
and we sort of label them with what we know ourselves.
with what we know ourselves. And I have found in my experience that I am more confident
to let the art speak for itself than to be a speaker for who I am as a person, because
I don't think that I, as the person, matter as much as the art does. Right? So I...
You might be wrong there.
I don't know.
I think... You definitely mean more you mean
more to me than your art does i've got to say i enjoy hearing you talk so if uh you were in
spaces that'd be yeah that'd be a shame i'd miss it me too i have to respect your decision
absolutely we would have to respect your decisions as we love you enough to respect your decisions as was we love you enough to respect your decisions but you will be
greatly missed especially like dbc there's there's really not many artists that are vocal uh uh really
about blockchain technology to begin with let alone on on chia so like you know i know i will
and as many others will will miss you but, but your presence and spirit will always be here.
Well, I mean, that's the purpose of art.
I mean, I feel also in some sense my language is my art as well
and not necessarily me as a person.
I don't think the person can be easily translated
into something that is appreciated in its entirety, right?
So I think that a lot of attention and sophistication
can be given to fragments of a person
and certain parts of a person.
And that's why I focus on making images and making
art because it's a way of at least sort of um leaving something behind that's polished enough
that people can understand it almost in an objective sense you know um you know and and Early on, I developed a kind of shell around what people thought of me personally, because
I heard it very vocally in response to some of the things that I was saying, what people
thought they thought about me, right?
And to me, I took it as a signal, dive into the art, dive into the creation of things
that you can leave behind and so i have to follow through with that uh with that sense of integrity
i think that's that's that's really important to me
so i think it goes without saying if if you were an early supporter of my work
not only do i appreciate it but i hope that I've left you with something that is personally valuable
to you because it is unique.
There is no way to duplicate it, I think, because there are really granular parts of
it that just are not recursive.
They're not, you cannot repeat what happened in them.
And I think that's also why it's important to point out that many of the NFTs I leave behind
also have hidden messages in them that can't be repeated because they're historical documents.
They're documentations of actual things that happened.
And so they're left as a archive. And so instead of just being an image that you can look at and be like, oh,
I remember those times. Now you can look inside of the image. And within the image, there is a
textual black and white documentation of what happened. And I did, I mean, I followed through.
That was the plan in the beginning.
I followed through within about 18 months, done.
First cycle, that cycle is done.
And now the next cycle comes.
Save DBC, keep DBC and G and chia that's what i say i'm going to campaign for that but uh yeah you're one
of the true chia it's not i'm not leaving chia i'm not i'm not i'm not part of the community i don't
i don't want to be a part of any community, but I'm still going to use the technology because I think it's a really good technology.
I'm talking about MySpace more than anything because if you deactivate your Twitter,
you obviously won't be talking in them. So that's really what I obviously, you won't stop using Gia.
Yeah, but eventually there'll be a book that comes out and you'll have that book to read
and stuff like that.
The book won't disagree with me, though.
I'm not really disagreeing with you.
The book won't agree with him either.
Well, that's okay. We all want to be comfortable.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
And I hate to dash, but I have another meeting coming up,
so I have to clean the house, and then I have to do all that stuff.
So there you go.
Well, thanks, TBC.
Always great to hear from you. And as one gentleman exits the stage,
another one enters, and that is Mr. Dracatus. Welcome to the stage. I don't know if you're
coming up to chat to DBC. Well, it looks like he's just left.
I was just coming in on my way home. I heard DC talking, I heard something about leaving, I didn't catch all of it.
I don't know to what extent leaving, but I did jump up just in case DVC was, I wasn't going to talk to him again.
I did want to say, DVC, I know that through our minglings and our crews, we probably always haven't seen eye to eye i just want to tell you that i i do i have always
and do enjoy and always respected your conviction in your own art and your own message and the way
that you've gone about with confidence portraying your artwork and doing what you said you would do
and i'm not sure what the leaving thing was all about but I wanted to take a moment just to say that I think he did great things in the space and I appreciate
your perspective on things sometimes even though it's sometimes controversial to my
own opinion I appreciate that of you and for what you've done so just wanted to say that
I think he just dropped out when he was about to be king so he may not have heard his phone
yeah like dragged literally your brain and you have that
you can hear the end of the movie
that's all good
no worries he can hear it another time
yeah
DDC has always been
one of those characters in the space for me
that for one reason or the other
we've never had a bad crossing
but I think that he and I
have had
indirect
friction but the thing
that I like about DDC and that I admire and respect
is that he's very confident in who he is and what he's doing,
and the friction doesn't bother him.
If anything, I feel like he's the type of person
that knows how to take friction appropriately
and then still work with it.
He's very creative and very mindful of himself.
I liked that I could have a different opinion from him, but I always enjoyed his different
opinion if that makes sense. It was always delivered with class even if I didn't agree
with it. It's a hard thing to find these days.
Yeah, I understand.
We had a motorcycle track?
No, I'm just driving home from baseball.
How did it go, the first, uh, is it the first game of the season?
First two games of the season, we won both. I pitched a really good game. It was good.
Just heading home from the bar here now.
you still hold the record for the longest journey to a cheer conference it seems bradley was what
47 hours and you were 52 yeah he tried
welcome ignore to the stage welcome up buddy can you guys hear me yeah i can hear you gm orange oh shit gm orange yeah um i guess i was
just gonna say something but like because i've I've heard stuff in passing and
my life has tended tended to be like full of information I don't need to fucking hear
like and uh one thing I've just learned is that like I respect people that have been around and
and like this has nothing to do with me and like the other artists or whatever but I've been around, and this has nothing to do with me and the other artists or whatever,
but I've heard things, and it's like, I guess I could say that how we handle inevitable
change is really going to reflect in the conviction in ourselves.
It's like if our skin doesn't shed, right?
You know how many diseases come with that?
You know how many things come with that like you know how many like things come with like your skin not shedding right so like as tough as things may be like our resilience is in how we
handle things right i'm not saying anything about anybody but i feel like there is a tone like a
like a silver lining of like obviousness to like hey like nobody was fucking with chia this long ago now people are like of course you're
gonna be mad if you've been here forever and nobody was fucking with it but how many people
found out about what you were convicted in and now that we're here to support it don't leave
like you know what i mean like that's that's my like neutral stance on it I guess and uh
I say that from the heart like where it's like I feel it like I've been the same person that
feels like nobody fucking gives a shit about me but like I'll still do my shit you know and I'm
not I don't need a I don't need to be notarized. I just wanted like
to look at somebody and go, yeah, dude, I know it sucks. And some of my favorite people might
not like you. And I still go, so what? Like, let's move, let's move forward. You know, let's,
let's do, let's do better for ourselves. And it's not to be notarized for what you did.
It's to, like, live a better existence, right?
Like, to know that you could overcome anything you thought was impossible.
And sometimes the impossible things is getting along, you know?
And it's not always this, like, idealism, you know, like, way of thinking.
Like, it doesn't have to be ideal.
You can just actually like you ever talk to someone you don't get along with and like you guys admit to each other like, yeah, I might be that to you.
But fuck it. Whatever, dude. Like we can still chill like if we have a rapport.
So like I feel like what he was saying and I've kind of heard things in passing and I just
I know it's hard to be an artist as far as like because it's subjective so then you got to hear
everyone's opinion but nobody has to listen to you when you say what you think so I'm just
acknowledging that I don't know how like how, how does that sound? Like, is that all right?
Yeah.
Yeah, it sounds like you're saying that, like, don't leave, quote unquote.
He's saying he's not leaving.
He's just deactivating his account.
But that's kind of leaving spaces.
Right.
It's like saying I'm not leaving, but're like i'm gonna get rid of all lines
of communication i was like i mean it's not all lines yeah i'm it might sound dramatic but i i like
even with like foods here like let's say like in foods can you know foods could agree like
like when i hear foods talk about him being here when nobody was fucking cared for this shit, I can look at that and go, yeah, just like I can relate that to some point in my life when I did something and no one cared until two or three or five other people started doing it.
Then everyone cared about it.
And so, like, I understand that.
Like, I'm not trying to force relationships with people and agreeance you know I'm just I'm
just saying like hey like don't don't feel like you gotta fucking like bleed for this shit if you
feel like it hasn't bled for you but also don't leave because it ain't going nowhere you know
what I mean so it's like I get it there and like, you know, there's expectations for what you do and you feel like it should be reflective of like your work.
But I say that to say like, bro, I know what that's like and I could hear it when people say it.
And it's not malicious for me to like talk about it.
Even after the person left, they could be listening in private, like whatever.
thing in private like whatever but i just want people to know it's like it doesn't have to be
But I just want people to know it's like it doesn't have to be like that.
like that because some of us are excited to be here and we might need the og to like be like hey
let me show you what we've been doing you know so and foods does that foods takes his time out to
tell us about all the different artists that have already been here all the different shit that's
mattered how how the cheese scriptions
are like a whole fucking block. I didn't know that. I learned something today. So it's like,
you know, if we can do that for each other, then we can actually uphold what you did before we got
here. And I know it's hard. It's this is that idealism kind of thing is idealist way of thinking.
But it's way more simple.
Like sometimes I look at comments like today I've seen some stuff on Pulse Chain.
And the homie was like one of the homies that follows me was in the in the comments.
And he was like, this shit is so stupid.
He was like, we could fix this like really
quick if everyone just shut up and it was just like yeah like I felt him I was like damn like
good on you homie like for like letting us know how stupid we sound so um I don't know we we have
to get to that point of like being we don't have to we're not somebody else's reassurance, but God damn it,
if it's easy to do, let's just do it, right? Like, I don't want, I don't care if I don't agree with
somebody. They deserve fairness, right? Like, we all deserve a fair shot, an even cue, and
we're better working together. It doesn't need to be this ideal way that, like,
I could be portraying.
I'm just being real, like,
because I know what it's like to have people not fuck with you at all.
They might fucking hate you because you're new, just because you're new.
So it's like, I get it.
Yeah, like. yeah like anyone's just joined
DBC has shocked the Chia world today by
coming up to the stage and announcing
I think he said he's deactivating
his account in six days
and then he's going to disappear into the
shadows in some way or another
but he can still be followed with barcodes
that he's going to place around different places.
As he travels the world.
That's sick too.
Or free R.
That's the thing.
Even though he's going to be absent.
He's still giving.
There you go.
It is what it is.
But as a neutral.
As a neutral way of doing it.
You have to have a bounce bounce to whatever you do.
It's like a rhythm, right?
And you want to excite people.
And excitement shows that you know something about freedom, right?
Being free should be the reason why you're excited.
If you're not excited about that, then what is the point of being free?
To be pissed off? So it's a choice, right? And we all have to make a choice. And it's an effort, right? Like, people don't just like have orgasms because somebody was being fucking stern and fucking serious about what they were doing so i'm just saying this to
say it's not anything personal it's just like it's obvious like everyone needs to relax like
because some of us want to hear what's going on you know but we might have to like be friends
with someone who's close to an og on chia know, to like get the insight to then cater because it is a
game. It's like a catering thing. Like we have to do that. Like you do that in every relationship
you have, friendships, relationships, guy, girl, whatever, you're doing something to win somebody
over. If we're going to be a community, we have to communicate so but i know i know the whole
thing too it's like the lord it's like i'm gonna disappear it's like jesus did that bro he went in
fucking the mountains for how long right in that story whatever yeshua where the fuck so it's like
everyone's gonna go through it um but yeah that's just my two cents where it's nobody fucking asked right but it's like
you know it's a choice yeah and then and it's the person's choice to to make it at the end of the
day right like dbc is my friend i've known him for quite a while right Right. Ultimately, I just want him,
I want whatever makes him happy at the end of the day.
That's what matters to me.
What does the man do to make himself happy?
He likes to connect with others, right?
Could you agree?
Yes.
It's especially about art
in a space that is completely degenerate
and is mostly focused about
what's the next shit coin
and ooh
look at that shiny
look at those muggle glasses on that one
NFT collection
that's a clean trade
look at the relatability
look how hard they're relating
when it's like
everybody wants to just show what they know you know what
i mean and again there's nothing there's nothing wrong with that exactly that's what that's why i
said it like that it's like dude we just are who we are like so nobody could be offended and it's
that's that's why i that's why i even ask you it's like dude i fuck with you like the shit you offer
and say to people you always come in with a vibe you know when you call people nerds love it you know i mean it's
like it's just the way you are with people and it's it's dope but i say that to say like yo
i feel like everywhere i've gone as soon as the new people come around
people get pissed dude and it's like why do that why you want i don't
i i think it's a mick and db dbc's case i can't speak for him right but it i don't think it's
new people that is frustrating him i think it's just he he's he's he's not a D-Gen
like the most of us right so like
yeah but I'm not either
like literally ignore
doesn't spell D-Gen
it just says ignore like that's it
like you know just cause I
rock something by someone named
D-Gen Waffle doesn't mean he's
it doesn't even mean he's D-Gen dude
most of the time he might just be wanting to make art and degen is pretty fucking degen yeah but if nobody listens
to you too and fades you you're like oh i'm degenerate then right it's like it becomes
like a double entendre or like it becomes a double meaning or some shit where like
dude he's rude dude he could people rejoice when they get a fucking
neck beard are you kidding me like come on look at goose dude don't make me bring up goose bro
goose put on a hat today and was like i just customized my shit motherfuckers it's like, yeah, that shit's hard, actually. Don't bite me.
Honk.
Yeah.
But, dude, like, I don't know.
I just, I looked at his art.
I fucking liked it, you know?
But I can sense things about people, and that's not their job to, like, agree with me about it.
But it's like, you know, we can sense things. But apathy is, like, everyone's policy now in the world where it's like you know we can sense things but apathy is like everyone's
policy now in the world where it's like you know what i heard one letter in what you said that
didn't match up with my algorithm and it's like we're never gonna get anywhere are you fucking
kidding me like why do we have to always agree why can't we just listen to each other like
because we don't have to it's like the easiest cop-out but then it's like
read it's like reading a book but saying i don't have to comprehend the words i could read it
it's like then what what's the point like so i say that to as a generalization for everyone like some people need the need the
acknowledgement you know and like i agree with it and i'm glad look he just popped back up and it's
like maybe he can tell me why like he wants to leave like and he doesn't have to tell me but
i'm just like what would make you want to leave? If you want to tell me, DVC.
I came in late, but I was just wondering.
You just going to do your thing?
Who am I?
That's kind of how I was feeling ignored.
I came in at the end and just heard that he was leaving.
I didn't hear any reasons.
I didn't hear any of that part of it.
He knows he stirs the pot.
Because he got us thinking now
It's like dude just like why would you leave
You left it
Cause quite a ruckus
DVC come up here
But it is what it is
It's just like hey like what do you think about all the
New shit on Chia
Tell us that you don't like it I don't know
Like let us know
Maybe I honestly would love to hear Cause cause you you you tell us that you don't like it. I don't know. Like, let us know.
I honestly would love to hear because you
both are artists on
Chia. It would be
really cool to see y'all
go. But I know the sentiment
of, like, first
and I've already, like, I've been
here and who the fuck is this dude?
You know what I mean?
Like, I know what it feels like.
My friends talk about people, you know, and I don't know who they're talking about, but then I'll see them and be like, well, let me hear him say it.
That person might be like, who the fuck are you?
I don't owe you anything.
And it's like, where did I say that?
Like, let me wonder. Yeah, like, thumbs down. I don't owe you anything and it's like where did i say that like let me let me wonder yeah like i don't know i do see that dbc posted five minutes ago um so i just thought i'd
share what he thought and would share and his sentence actually starts with just thought i
would share um that he's not angry he's not resentful I'm feeling it I have never been part
of a community so my actions are not in response to a community they're a response to my view on
art well cool and I dude if you want to know real quick you know I've never had like a group of
friends that ever lasted more than a fucking year because I moved around my whole life.
So it's like doesn't have like, you know, doesn't have to be like that.
It's about relating. It's just like, yeah, dude, sometimes you're sometimes your life is built around you being alone because you have to be that perspective for the greater good.
perspective for the greater good you know you have to be the one to go be all the shit that
you probably thought isn't ideal or like some people would fear having to be alone or not
feeling like they're a part of something i've i battle with that all the time but then again it's
like i could also just like fucking crash out too and be like, Oh, Hey, I don't,
Oh, you're not going to listen. Like who said, you know, like I could be extra,
but I don't know. Go ahead. I feel like there's a lot of projection going on here. So I'd like to,
because I only know myself. Right. So yeah.
So you're talking about yourself probably, but my,
let me just be really clear.
Are you taking offense? Are you taking offense?
I'm not crashing out.
I didn't say you were.
See, you took what I said and you made it about you.
I'm saying that that's how I'd react.
Well, you asked what I was thinking.
So I'm telling you.
Yes.
So just say you're projecting.
Yeah, just say you're projecting now Yeah. Just say you're projecting now.
No, I'm talking about myself.
Okay, cool.
So can I talk?
Yeah, you got it.
Great.
So just in case there's ever any questions, this isn't directed at anyone in particular.
I'm not crashing out.
I'm not fed up.
I don't feel angry.
I definitely don't have any resentments
and I don't feel alone either
because I have a career, I have a family.
I have a lot of friends in sort of physical space
that I meet up with.
I have other artists that I talk to
and I also work with museums and gallery owners
and stuff like that.
My decision to deactivate
the twitter account is literally part of the finishing of a cycle i decided 18 months ago to
start because because no you tell me go ahead no i was just making a guess. I don't know anything. Go ahead.
My bad. I didn't mean to interrupt.
So 18 months ago, when I really started making art and putting it on the Chia blockchain,
I realized that the offer file doesn't require me to stick in any one sort of social space
in order to get attention for what I'm doing.
Right.
Go ahead.
No, I think right. Like, yeah, I agree.
We said but. No, I didn ahead. Sorry. No, I was saying right. Like, yeah, I agree. We said, but so. No, I didn't. Okay. So, well, I mean, if you're going to interrupt,
I want to make sure you're being heard. You sound like. But I'm, but I'm, I was just going right.
Like, yeah, like the offer, it was towards the offer file. Like I was just agreeing.
Okay. So I realized that I don't have to have a social media presence to do that. So I was like, okay, it's time to close it down. So I made a plan to transfer the art that I was doing to Chia Blockchain for NFTs to serve as receipts, and then to start building a body of work that I would place in different places around the world.
body of work that I would place in different places around the world.
And then I would use QR codes and things that give people access to offer files or a post
office box address.
And then if they wanted free art, they could just send me a postcard or a letter to the
PO box.
And then I would incorporate their work and their photos or their media or whatever into
the actual art itself
and i don't need a social media presence to do that because it would be completely in uh synchronous
it would be based on synchronicity so you would just see this qr code what is it oh and then you
would do it and then you know sometimes nothing would happen sometimes something would happen and that's kind of what i think about the animization of art and that's why i think that
i've never really had a particular interest in being in a community because i didn't come
to social media to find a community i didn't i i just came to
bullshit my views and say what i wanted to say and listen to other people talk and then
agree or disagree. And so I don't take any personal,
I really don't have personal feelings about people I've never met.
So I think of it only as information. And if you look carefully at the art, especially the past
six months of art, it's information art. It's based on made up languages.
It's all information. It's all communication.
Like you can't express yourself and not call it communication.
I can understand not wanting to communicate with the community, but yeah,
keep going. I just, that's just what I think about that.
You can see why it's difficult to communicate with the community.
In a sense. Yeah. If you want it to be, you know.
But you don't owe anybody anything, right?
I know.
Right, right.
So that's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
Okay.
But some people might be expecting something because they see the expression and they might feel like they're being communicated to.
And then it's like you don't have to owe them an answer.
So that's where the discrepancy can be, where they might want to connect with you and you don't care to connect.
And that's all I'd have to say about that. I'm not saying you're a bad person for it. I'm just saying like that's that's where a discrepancy could be.
Oh, thank God. I don't want people to think I'm a bad person. That would be horrible.
I don't want people to think I'm a bad person.
That would be horrible.
No, but you get what I'm saying though, right?
Like if someone wanted to communicate to you based on if they liked something from you
and then they tried to approach you and you were like, I don't owe you an explanation.
But why would I?
Exactly.
So I'm saying like, I don't know what you would do in that instance,
but it made it sound like that when you were like,
What made it sound like that?
When you said, I don't want to be a part of a community.
Community requires communication,
but it doesn't require that I belong to communication.
You don't belong.
You're not possessed by anybody.
Right.
So what is the point?
I'm not,
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
I'm saying a community literally in its prefix is community.
It's communication.
It's like you're,
you're, you have to communicate.
So if you're communicating and then people want to, like, dive into something, maybe you've write it out that, hey, I don't communicate in words. I'll explain it, and then you make what you want of it because, I don't know, man.
Because, I don't know, man.
You can't say that no one's going to feel some type of way about what you're saying or doing.
So it's like you might as well just warn them like, hey, I don't care what you think of what I'm doing.
Just support.
Just so we're clear, because I'm kind of a language person.
Community doesn't come from the word for communicate.
It doesn't? No. It comes from the word it comes from how do you physically have a community community comes from the latin word communitas which means fellowship and communicate how do you have a
fellowship would you like me to finish or would you like no because you're trying to you're trying
to beat around the fact that you don't have to communicate. I never said I don't have to communicate.
Right.
I said I don't have to.
You said you don't want to be a part of a community.
And your interpretation of community is that community is built around communication, which is fine.
Oh, my God, dude.
If I'm crazy for that, then I'll stop it.
I didn't say you were crazy.
I'm just saying that that's not my interpretation of community.
Exactly.
It's not yours, but mine is. Okay. So we're good on that.
I'm just letting you know. That's probably why you're feeling the way you do.
I don't. What do I feel? What are you talking about?
I don't know. I don't know.
They should call you interrupt art. They shouldn't call you you ignore art i don't know what you're
talking about man yeah maybe i should do a whole interrupt fucking thing i might do that actually
thank you okay dracatus did you want to talk or what's up yeah i just want are you saying that
you've just kind of hit the end of a pre-planned cycle and this is part of the phase change yes
nice well i congratulate you on that.
Yeah.
I mean, I know what it's like.
Like, you're doing the same kind of thing.
You've got to build a certain version of software over and over and over again until you end the cycle, right?
And then you ship it.
The same thing with my art cycle.
It's the same thing as Marina Abraminovich would have done.
Like, you do a certain sort of thing, and then you're done, and then you get out of the chrysalis and you do something else. And so when I say, and I just want to be really clear on
this, when I say I don't belong to a community, it's because as an artist, I personally feel like
to belong to a community makes me participate in a common set of ethos that takes me away from the
vision of what I'm doing it does not mean
that other people are not worth listening to and it does not mean that i don't like those people
and it doesn't mean that i can't communicate with those people there is no enforcement of an ideology
and so therefore i am not required and nobody is required to belong to a community
and that's it you can if you want and that's totally cool with
me i don't care it doesn't i do not feed my art and my funds and my money on community i do it on my
work and my communication and i am not angry about this community or that community or this person said this.
I see it as just that's what they do.
And that is fine.
I am not attached to it.
I don't need to be attached to it.
And my art thrives because of my point of view.
And it's okay.
So does mine.
Great.
I don't seek validation as an artist.
I purposefully have tried to train myself.
You would never say fucking anything if you didn't.
that's not true.
Then why would you say anything?
Because someone asked me to speak for my views and I answered. You don't owe them anything.
I know,
but I'm trying to be kind and give people...
I'm being an extremist about it.
What I'm just saying, like, dude, come on, man.
You're for the people then, right?
Not really.
I'm not for anybody.
Okay.
But, like...
I don't think...
I don't think you really understand.
I think you really don't...
It's just like a defiance thing.
It's like you're trying to defy everything by saying, like,
you're the exception. You seem really clear about what I'm projecting yes
I'm projecting for sure okay so as long as an artist it's the art of like it's the art of how
I feel about this and like I'm just like okay I don't know TBC yeah and I jump in it can I jump in again? Anytime, man. So maybe I'm wrong, but I'm kind of making my own assumptions about what you're saying.
Would you agree that what I'm picking up from you is that to belong to a community in some way,
for what it sounds like your art and your work is, it's restrictive for you,
and it takes you away from your work because it puts a distraction in there.
Is that part of the equation?
So I'm heavily influenced by my reading of Søren Kierkegaard, who's a Danish philosopher in the 17th, 18th century or 18th, 19th century.
And a lot of his writing about Christian spirituality and the sort of sense of community in urban settings has a lot to do with the use of technology which cancels out individualization from a person.
Right.
And this is also true with Walter Benjamin.
Also true with writers like Max Weber and some other people.
Nietzsche eventually this is all predates Nietzsche, but Nietzsche also talks about this. I'm influenced by this idea and I observe it very...
Influence, right? You said influence, so I just want to make sure that it's not your own...
Ignore, can you let him finish?
Yeah, but I'm pointing out clip notes.
Yeah, but I don't want people interrupting too much, so let's let Levis be finished,
then we'll go back to Drak and then we'll go to you next so
so my art is influenced by some reading that i've done which makes me makes me want to test out this
theory which i tested out over the last 18 months of can i make art without having to follow the
prescriptions of sort of the community ethos of web 3 and nft land
and so part of what i did was a satirical presentation of nfts that i sold for one mojo
and then after that i moved into physical forms where i was using the nft as a claim on these
physical paintings and now that that cycle is ending I want to end the social media part of what I'm doing and then see if I can make art as sort of a traveling flaneur, like the French word flaneur, which is the idea that you just sort of walk around aimlessly, you go to different places.
You drift. I'm a drifter, so yeah, I get what you're saying.
You drift. I'm a drifter, so like, yeah, I get what you're saying.
And can I do that and also use technology?
And I think the offer file was something that I was looking for because it's so easy to send that offer file to someone, even if you don't know them.
And if something in the art speaks to them and they'd like to claim it, then it's just a gift to them that they can be like, oh, wow, I had this moment where I met this random person.
I didn't prescribe, I didn't belong to any specific OG community or anything online.
I didn't have to show up in this sort of mental space in order to claim what I wanted to claim.
I was just on the street or in a taxi cab, and I was like was like wow there's a piece of art here that i can take home right it kind of leaves the
the the true the true uh essence of the art and and by peer-to-peer offer file you remove all
restrictions and all influences you have a truly unbiased desire to have that art.
Right. And that's really freeing and that's very liberating. So that's why I want to just
sort of be really clear. And I say this also in the essays that I send to collectors.
There is no sort of subjective feeling of companionship in owning the art.
There's no sort of enlisting in a community or a gang
or a tribe in order to know the art.
And, you know, I'm even questioning, you know,
if you look at the impressionists and stuff
or the surrealists or the non-elists,
all those people gain together to prove something and
pivot something against some other body of work or practice.
And going back to the Kierkegaard thing, I'm really strongly enlisted in this idea that
like, if you are to be a qua individual or a true, a certain individual, can you do that
in your life through practice and work? And so that's
what I'm doing. It's just an integrity part of myself. Being pure, right? It's like working on
being like the purest form of yourself without the influence. And then you're tying in like
behavioral things that might have to do with what you were connected to in one group. And you're
trying to sift through like, how do you actually become the individual
that is an influence
so you can make your peers work, right?
I find this really interesting
because I feel like I'm having
the opposite experience of DVC
in that prior to having a community
that I have now,
I always lived in what you're talking about,
where I didn't have a community. You know, I had work, I had, you know, employees that I have now. I always lived in what you're talking about, where I didn't have a community.
You know, I had work, I had, you know, employees that I worked with, but I didn't have
community. And I felt more in a past creative life, like you're talking about now, where there
was, you know, this kind of isolation in a way to, you know, pure just me and my art and only doing
it my way. And it's funny to hear you talk about
this because my whole life I was really comfortable with not having a community but now that I do
as kind of in a way my first time having a real community in the nerd kind of sense I feel like
I'm doing the opposite of what what what you're experiencing but I feel what you're talking about
I just it's hard for me right now to to to uh pull away from my community I go in down periods
in like quiet periods but I found so much of the confidence that it feels like you had already
I found because of my community.
And when I hear you talk about it,
it's kind of funny because if I had that before,
you know, what would that,
how would that have steered my career or whatever?
But I really love the community thing,
but I really appreciate what you're saying to EDC
about, you know, the phases
and it being about the artwork and having a goal,
having an end date, sticking to that, the period, you know, the phases and it being about the artwork and having a goal, having an end date, sticking to that.
The period, you know, anyway, all that to say, I really appreciate this.
I feel like I'm going through the opposite right now because I enjoy community. But I feel like I know what you're saying and where you're coming from.
I can appreciate it.
Right. Well, modern contemporary psychology is built on this transference.
Right. Well, modern, you know, modern contemporary psychology is built on this transference.
It's built on this idea that you confront something that is other to you, but also is familiar to you and allowserego prohibit your id from expressing its true unconscious grappling with desire and fear.
And so that's where urbanization comes from. It's a collective gathering of all of these resources
and mechanicals and technologies. Because of neglect, brother. And resources that enables you to grow an individual out of that because they've
been neglected and so what i'm all i'm doing in simple in simple form and i really have to go
because i have meetings to go to is all i'm doing is withdrawing from the identifying myself through
projection of opposites within an urbanization
or a social media interface and trying specifically to do it through expression and the mechanical
manipulation of my art and that's it i love it i love it you missed it earlier when you left i i
and i'll say before you go again uh we we't really know each other well. We've had, you know, just passing by little friction, little interactions.
I just wanted to say again, I said it earlier when you left, I really appreciate how you speak of art.
And I really appreciate that you handle your usually it sounds like an alternate opinion to the masses.
it sounds like an alternate opinion to the masses.
And I just want to say that wherever you go,
I appreciate having met you DBC,
just because you have been a great point of like a counterpoint to my usual
kind of thing. So whatever you do, man, and I know you got to run,
just want to say that I think you left a good mark here and I appreciate your
perspectives in the way that you speak of art. It's nice.
That's great.
That's respect and I appreciate it,
but I'm really sorry to rush.
So thank you very much.
Yeah, no worries, man.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Have a go on DVC.
Talk to you soon.
It's good to have people like him in this space.
There's a lot of us in this space
that are hugs and happy.
And that's great.
Like, I'm not taking away.
It's wonderful.
But you always kind of need that person that is the blind spot check or is the friction or is the unpopular opinion. Guys like DBC will cause friction, but in that friction, no doubt, always conjure up good conversation.
You can't not listen to DBC, whether you like him or not, and not think deeper about the subject.
He forces you to think a little deeper, at least for me anyway.
So I appreciate the dude as much as maybe his personality is not my favorite,
you know, but neither am I to others.
So I like that guy.
As much as I don't like him, I like him.
We need those people in this space, eh, guys?
We've lost the art of disagreeing and still being friends.
Yeah.
Poor investors.
Another,
we need to embrace that friction in cheer mode.
Cause yeah,
it actually gets people talking.
It actually opens doors.
and I think it comes from the right place too.
It's not friction just to be frictional.
It's almost exactly.
Yeah.
It's a genuine perspective i mean
you can't listen to dbc and not understand that he feels passionately about what he does whether
you agree or not and we need that right we we need we need all of those opinions whether it's
zada gist and i disagreeing or you and I, Edward, or whoever.
We need to be able to go, okay, so we disagree.
It doesn't mean you're a bad person, and I genuinely hope all the best.
But the whole mentality, at least what I've learned as a builder over my lifespan, has been that the only way to build things that really matter are to have the difficult conversations
around them. And if it's an easy convo, it's probably not that worthwhile. But if you can have
disagreements, arguments, passionate discussion around a subject that has multiple perspectives
and people butting heads, usually that means whatever comes out of it is going to be substantial. So I don't know.
I like guys like him, Birdman or whoever come in and add a little friction to the space.
It's nice.
I had a little friction today, too.
It was good.
Ignore you.
You were doing it.
Yeah, you guys had a little friction there.
But you can't.
You show up here every day.
You communicate with people every day.
You have friction. You have good times, times bad time you're just literally learning every single interaction on
spaces is just a lesson so guys like dbc whether you like him or not he's teaching you something
about yourself yeah i didn't i didn't say anything about no no you're not but like if i if i don't go and ask the ai what the fuck it could do
or what it means or if i don't throw wrenches in the gears then what the fuck am i really gonna
learn like so i just did it just to see like i'm not i'm not opposed to it i look at his stuff
yeah cool it doesn't make me less of a person because i don't use the same jargon or
like believe in the arts the same way he does i've been drawing since i was standing and my mom
you know my way i define it is i've been drawing and i don't need anybody to tell me what what the
boundaries or what the definitions are of infinity right like i don't like maria
and bravo bitch but he does like that's fine like yeah there's a lot of things that i don't have to
agree with but i think like it doesn't fucking matter because if no one listens then why are
we explaining just show me with your painting like it's just, yeah. But it's no disrespect.
At the same time, don't listen to me either.
I just wanted to ask.
I just wanted to pick a brain.
If we're talking friction, brother, I start fires.
Take a number, right?
Yeah.
And we're just all going to do it together and i i hope someone would do it to me
too because i like it you know truth is so much better than friends that just tell you what you
want to hear yeah dude i don't even like like i i've seen that in my mom my whole life i'm like
you just say shit just to shut me up like you know so when people just say the right thing to
shut you up it's an it's a little annoying.
And like, dude, I'm already living that life where I drift.
I go to see what like a surrounding or like a place can do for my mind other than like the people and what they might try to say to get me to like them.
So I understand that.
Like I totally get it.
And I just don't want to be lied to you know
what i mean so it's like i could understand like the traveling nature of it i think that's cool
the po boxing is super cool that's what this dude mark gonzalez because i'm a skateboarder so like
mark gonzalez took eight years off of skateboarding to go like touch up on his art and then he started
doing postcards and sending personal things to people
and it's like well you have to put you have to put end dates on things that you want because
if you don't they just become a procrastination right you just yeah it's a time construct so
it's like if it's not within the chronological chronological order of like what people would expect yeah then
maybe the value might change but it takes discipline to do that right yeah like it takes
discipline to to go that's my date and i'm sticking to it and that's that's not easy not as easy as it
might sound yeah you're right i agree with you i really do because it's like why does it have to
be now like you know or then like why can't it just be when I'm done?
Because we're in a hurry to go nowhere.
So we're, we're fucking confused.
Like the art of the pivot, man.
Yeah.
Talk about it.
It's the art of the pivot, whether it's life or projects or work or whatever, you got to be, have all the skill sets to pivot in a moment.
I have to learn to respect the prestige of other people
because i might not agree with the work that they did but i can't discredit it because it is a load
that i didn't take on myself so i still will i want to know you know it doesn't mean that i don't
think it doesn't mean i think less of somebody it just might not be what i i might not like it then
but i might end up fucking talking just like him later like i don't know you be what i i might not like it then but i might end up fucking talking
just like him later like i don't know you know what i mean like who knows like i'm not i have
no shame so i was just curious man and like with artists like i can't i'm not gonna give artists
leeway because they're artists i feel like i have to push them harder to want to be them or be
themselves you know and it's percent anyone's job it's
just like hey dude how much are you convicted in your shit because fuck it let's just let's just
test that and it's like you know whatever it's a daunting thing for artists though especially new
artists to come out and put their work and their soul out and get judged and so when when when guys like you are probing or
it's good practice for everybody to hear everybody learns in the room about
how to handle these anyway it's good these rooms those people those conversations this is literally
just training day for all of us every day the extremities of the new guy and then someone who's been here it's like we're on the opposite scale we're on
the we might on the x and y axis it might seem like we're further away from each other but there
might be a little gray area where it's like oh you're actually like pretty close in the fact
that y'all are so different you can understand what it's like to be on your extremity and they're
on theirs you know so it's like oh for sure, I don't need to relate, you know?
I'm going to, I'm going to take this feels good moment and,
and just grab it for a minute and I'm going to call on Zodacus here.
Zodacus, are you there?
I may or may not be. Why?
No, I'm just, so I'm not even going to go into it,
but I'm just going to take this nice moment
of good...
thinking in
and just say that
you and I know there was a
thing in the past and whatever.
really would like to just know that
we're okay to move past that, dude.
Why?
Well, I don't want to get into the details.
You don't have to get into details.
I'm just kind of olive branching, dude, a little bit here.
Because we've never officially olive branched, and I don't know if that's an option.
No, it's not an option.
Okay, fair enough.
If you want that olive branch, you could apologize to people.
Okay, that's cool.
Where do you stand? That's fair.
Oh, now it's awkward. I didn't mean it to be awkward no it's not it's good that you've you've extended the olive branch and so
yeah and i don't know it's been spoken i don't hold it against audio at all for
yeah that's that's fair
well i didn't know there was tension and it's none of my business but it never came across
before so you're both professional in that sense yeah i would never have guessed but
yeah i like it that way that's why i was just taking an opportunity to see you know whatever
but it's all good we can function side by side through the space it's all good it literally
doesn't matter because we're still going to get it.
And we're still going to move and build stuff.
And we're still going to be here.
If we could be cordial, that's fine.
But at least you addressed it, brother.
It's all good.
All good.
It'd be weird if we didn't care, right?
care right like so it's like it's just the way it is i don't i'm just i'm here to let people know
It's just the way it is.
like apathy is not the best policy and so like we're gonna do what we do and it doesn't matter
you could ask me anything but does anyone ask anybody anything really anymore no we have chat
they're gonna go ask that to see if someone can make the best assumption of their life
just go ask the people
go see what's up
go see why they might have did something
don't just take people's words for it
but whatever
I'll actually
scratch back on what I said
and I'll just say that
I just remembered
you can't really apologize for any of that,
Drex, so, yeah.
There's nothing you can do in that situation.
Well,
you know,
you guys can, you know, I don't know what it is,
but if you were to ask me what I thought,
I'd be like, that's too vague.
Like, whatever. We want to figure it out now, but... it is but if you were to ask me what i thought i'd be like that's too vague like whatever we
want to figure it out now but if it's honestly i i don't care to care to figure out that's the
one who wanted to bring it up and you want to figure it out no no no that's not the intent
it was literally just all the brand what was the intent drack no it was just i I see you in space as we cross paths I was just
Literally just didn't like the awkward
That is there sometimes
And was just
I mean, I don't think it's awkward
Okay, then great
It could be just
It could have just been me, dude
Is it over, Monty?
Is it over?
No, no, no
It's not even worth it
Can I jump in there?
Just on that
I did actually hear There was a moment of awkwardness I'm not saying that's good or bad No, no, no. It's not even worth it. Can I jump in there just on that?
I did actually hear there was a moment of awkwardness.
I'm not saying that's good or bad, but it wasn't that obvious. But maybe when Drex said it, he was reacting to something.
Whether that was justified or not, I could sort of sense a little bit of awkwardness.
Nothing wrong with that.
That was just how I interpreted it.
Can I say something?
I want y'all to figure this out
because we have a lot to move forward to.
No, see, it's already going further than I
want to do. It's nothing to figure out.
It was just me letting Zoddy know that, hey,
we're in the room sometimes together and I got no
whatever.
Hey, I'll be pushing, but I'll stop.
That's it.
I respect those.
Ignore me
and Drax's
past and history has nothing
to do with the...
Exactly.
But that doesn't mean I'm not trying to
help squash it.
I don't have to know anything.
It is
literally unsquashable.
Yeah.
Alright, cool.
Yeah, it's fine.
Maybe that means you guys gotta
really love each other
to get us moving forward
because we might need both of you guys.
I'm already past it. That was literally the first time
we've even talked about it.
Olive Branch, cool.
I'm trying to involve myself way too much.
It's fine.
It's all good.
Keep moving forward. It's all good. Keep moving forward.
That's all.
Listen, I see you out here working hard.
So how are you doing your thing?
I got respect for you, dude.
You're doing your thing.
I'm not hating on you.
That's all.
Dude, I just got in a physical fight
with the dude the other day.
I'm not their shit,
you know,
but like,
you know,
we do what we do.
I still scrap.
Like I'm 34 years old.
Like I don't give a fuck.
Like I'm just saying like,
if we can figure it out now,
like let's,
let's do it.
And I want to help.
that's figured out.
It's right there.
We just figured it out. It's all good.
That's fine.
That's fine.
You're thinking into it too much.
That's it.
I am.
That's my job.
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta follow good. That's fine. That's fine. You're thinking into it too much. That's it. I am. That's my job. That's my job.
You got to follow your name.
Just ignore.
Yeah, exactly.
But then guess what?
My real name, Dante, means endurance, and it means everlasting.
So this shit ain't going to stop, brother.
So just know that.
But yeah, hey, much love to you guys.
Thank you, DVC, for like explaining everything i don't know
if you're still here i i liked it i like to hear it um thank you edward for letting me do my thing
sorry if i like my pleasure it's too abrasive or anything but dude i'm gonna be here and i want to
make sure that like at least we could be cordial with each other like because i would want anyone
to tell me if they had a fucking quarrel with me or i did something wrong but i'm not gonna hold it over anybody
because everybody has their place and we're gonna do a lot of cool shit and this is y'all's stuff
that y'all been on and like dude everyone's about to come here so it's it doesn't matter
how we feel about things right it's gonna's going to be like, what's this?
What's this?
Why are a million people touching my shit right now?
So it's like, I just want y'all to think about that.
You guys are going to be way bigger than this.
Just saying.
I appreciate you guys.
Appreciate you.
Thank you for your time and your energy.
Yeah, and I'm going to fucking keep pumping that energy in
because I'm fucking crazy, dude.
Like, I have to be.
Yep, I am a bit of a quack myself, if I do say.
Yeah, you're swinging for the fences,
even when they're like, yo, chill out.
It's like, no, let me just pull this down real quick and talk to you and they're like what the fuck are you
doing so it's like i don't know it's just uh it's a it's a love for the fact that sometimes we
don't appreciate the fact that we are what we are and what we're doing and we're trying to complicate the simplicity of all this you know so
you can't define infinity you can't you know you can put all these words to it but
change is inevitable and um we're all gonna change so just know that if you feel like that now
you might be upset to know that you might be fucking, like, having a drink and have your arm around Jack in public with us.
And we're like, remember when you see?
But we work for this.
We work hard to make sure people forgive each other.
That's all we have, you know?
I don't drink, fun fact.
That's, oh, okay.
Then you'll have a water and whatever, dude.
Like, just variables, right?
I'll stop.
I just want you guys to know that
there's a lot of good stuff coming this way
and I think enjoyment is something we could all agree upon
in being excited.
So don't let that go over your head.
The rest is yet to come.
We're just getting started.
Exactly.
And you know I love talking with you.
I love talking with all you guys. I think it's awesome.
If you didn't know, I'd just let you know.
And DBC, I appreciate you
in giving me the in-depth rundown.
I hope all that stuff goes well, man.
That sounds cool. Hopefully, I see
a QR code.
So, you never know.
He's currently
not in the building, if you didn't know.
It doesn't matter.
It isn't, and it is a reported space.
I just wanted you to know, just in case, if you didn't.
Maybe he did it to make it feel like he was giving me something that was fair.
And that's fine.
I appreciate that.
He had a phone call earlier, and then he came back because i think he he said that
we were we were talking you ever heard like dude when people when my mom used to say like don't be
smart alec i'm like who the fuck is alec dude like what are you talking about like i'm gonna
ask the question and then it's just like no it's like dude It's like, dude, I've been like, I'm just the way I am.
And it's not ill intent.
It's just like, but why?
Because you guys don't, sometimes people don't realize how significant they are.
And it's not up to everyone to get it.
But if it's happening, you can't tell me I'm not feeling it.
So I'm just saying,
I love artists too,
and I want everyone to be fucking insanely great,
and it doesn't matter about the validation,
but then don't,
look, it's not about validation.
Everyone close your eyes
and tell me how you feel about everything.
Your eyes are validating everything. You eat with your eyes and tell me how you feel about everything your eyes are
validating everything you eat with your eyes but let me ask you about the
validation side you don't need it everybody and enjoys it to an extent and
is it not somewhat necessary to a degree just on the human level like do not think that
we as humans crave it for good reason what is the blockchain like is it validated like right
like we're all nodes right so we're just like a another version of the thing that we use right
and if there's nothing to validate it then where's the value so what the fuck are we talking about that's what i'm trying to say drac
it's like it's it's clearly that we are validating each other and i don't like when people act like
we're not because you validate us the more you make great stuff for us to use you make me feel like i have something
to use and do and more purpose to get shit done that's maybe just me but you get what i'm saying
i do i'm on the flip you guys you guys make me want to do more things there you go yeah i'm not
afraid to admit it because it doesn't minimize me as a person.
The most impressive thing to me about everybody in this room, in all the rooms that we all spin up, is that the, I don't know, let me say a couple dozen people that you always see every single day.
Everybody in this room is always on every day.
That takes more work than people give credit for.
To do something, to build something, make art, yada, yada, yada, sure.
But to show up literally every single day is something a lot of people can't do.
Most people quit at some point.
some point and so i often think about spaces is this little blessing that gave a whole bunch of
like-minded people a place to come together and and those who chose to show up every day
by choice those are the people that really seriously impressed me i don't even care what
their craft is it's just that they're here every day as a commitment that nobody asked them to do.
Those are the people that I watch, that I take note of.
It's harder than people realize.
It's easy for all of us.
It's a habit now because we've done it a hundred times.
It's easier to hate, brother.
It's easier to hate on things than it is to be kind and understand the work of everybody people take it for granted sometimes like oh you're
on spaces every day you're just sitting around it's like no you have to dodge this around your
family life every day they say everything every day it's just like okay yeah like it's funny it's a it's a
divine comedy brother like it's like oh i'm just sitting here but like what if this is my job
there's a lot of people that can't even get up and go to their job every day without
you know some pain yeah get on here and share your life that's painting the room the dude that's painting the room over here he's
got like congestive heart problems and like the other day we were chilling and he fucking was out
of breath and he was and my grandfather had a heart attack in front of me and when i was little
and i looked at this dude and i'm like 34 and i'm like dude he's like lift up here. Oh, you need to get, we need to get something to like thin his blood.
Cause like he, something's constricted, you know, like he's, he needs help.
And it's like, I just knew what to do.
Like, you know, and it's like, I want to help.
Like, you know, I want to help us connect.
Cause that's all we have.
That's the only reason why any of this shit matters is because we're a validation system of consensus, right? You don't have to. Everyone doesn't have to agree with you. But if you have utility for even the person that doesn't agree with you fully, you just override the system of what people say and you become what people feel.
And feelings, that's energy in motion, right?
So it's like, what are we, like, I'm not saying anyone's wrong, but there's, like, the fact that we're all different makes us the same.
If we could all say that. And we have this singularity thing. We have this singularity crisis where the more we say that we're on our own and I'm not, this is not towards DBC or anything because I even felt this way. Like I want to be, I don't want to be attached to shit. And then I realized that that's all we are, you know? And it's like we have to work together.
We can go take the trek out on our own,
but when we come back, we still have to, like, answer to things.
And if we craft our lives to not have to do that, that's fine.
It's not my business at some point.
But if I run into you, don't be mad that you saw me.
You know what I mean?
Because it was like i thought like the the community is one thing but the fact that we're interfacing all the
time should just be for sport we should just have fun and make it the best we can and the influence
shouldn't be taken the wrong way because how do you know how to be human your parents epigenetics like you know
shit that's passed down to you so it's like we're never exempt from it but we fight for it because
we know we've been poisoned so we try to get away from it because we're like our subconscious knows
that we're not supposed to be like tainted so that's what I think and I I know it and I feel
it all the time and I have to remind people like hey I'm not I'm not the enemy like I'm just the
one that's listening you know and so I'm just trying to let people know like dude the artist
isn't the artist without their suffering but then it's like all right you you want to eat you hungry what are you like
all right cool like you know what I mean let's come together like let's eat and enjoy because
shit sucks we all know that and that's the only reason why I act the way I do because I know that
shit is ass and we're just trying to make shit better. And we only have done things that people don't agree with
because we didn't know any better at times.
And some things, you know, not everyone has to forgive you.
But then if majority feels a certain way, it's like shit changes, man.
I'm all for that.
But, you know, just in the space
so I'll stop talking.
Well, damn everybody.
Not everybody at once. Holy fuck.
Fuck it.
I do see we have
Ferozy
and Tuckin down there, Grand Rising.
Hope you're doing well.
It is 1.18 a.m. here on the East Coast.
We've had lots of many various topics discussed tonight.
If you go back, there's a little drop of a foods app, whatever that means.
I don't know. You have to
either ask somebody
named Foods,
or maybe you gotta go back and listen to
the recording space.
But, yeah, we do
have some people coming up here.
Fuck yeah, we got some funks coming
up here. What's up, Illuminate?
What up, bro?
I don't know if my mic is on the red or not.
I don't know what it has been recently, but I'm just chilling
tonight.
Yeah, baby.
Yeah, we chilling.
I have this Illuminate piece that's so sick.
It's still lagging because it's so big
on fucking Met Garden. fucking man don't even
get me started bro i need to learn your compression techniques bro it's i mean dude yeah there's some
stuff out there but i still love it i look at it every day just to see if like we got more space
or like i'm just like yeah dude that's just huge how many megabytes like fucking too many yeah i like to spread those bites in those bits
yeah dude no dude good to see you man you know how fuck with me
appreciate you bro of course yeah i need to hit you up soon i'm gonna uh
i'm gonna shoot you some i'm gonna shoot you a few things i'm working on bro
please dude it keeps me busy do you prefer discord or
dude you have me on every app bro just hit me up like i'm gonna answer you got a phone too bro or
what i do but i haven't cut it on yet because that thought of me being in someone's pocket
pisses me off.
I don't even trip, bro.
Have you gotten a carrier pigeon yet?
Have you made it yet in crypto to where you have your own carrier pigeon?
No, I don't have carrier pigeons,
but I got some twigs I can start a smoker.
I made it over six figures last time, and that was my first shock.
I was like, whoa, what?
Why am I getting, like, you know, just I getting what the fuck is this?
Did you get a carrier pigeon?
No, because I'm not fucking into that shit, dude.
Well, you don't know until you have one.
It's one of those things.
Well, let me see yours and then
send me a video.
Listen, I don't have a carrier pigeon,
but I have a carrier duck, actually. It is one of the finest mallards in all of the ponds.
I love ducks.
Ducks are amazing.
Ducks are the flocking shit.
They are, dude.
I agree.
That, like, dude, they're so sweet.
They're close to
gooses, too.
Yes, but...
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, don't go...
Listen, I love
on-chain geese.
I love on-chain geese.
I love alpha gooses, geeses,
gosses, wherever the flock.
But IRL...
IRL Canadian IRL?
Canadian geese are fucking assholes.
So you know Execute?
Like, I...
Actually, all geese are, but, like,
the most, like...
Do I know what? Sorry, I didn't hear that.
Execute. You know Execute?
Like, the homie?
Like, his account's...
Like, he goes by Execute?
I know of. I don't think I've spoken with. He has some on-chain his accounts, like, he goes by Execute? I know of. I don't think I've
spoken with. He has
some on-chain gooses, like, on a
Pulse chain or whatever.
Oh, okay. So that's
who that is. Okay. I think
I have an extra one if you want it. It's just
an EVM wallet. Like, shit, if you like it.
Zodocus.eth, send it on.
Alright, sick. Say less.
I got you.
Thank you. Flock you out, dude, sick, say less I got you Thank you Flock yeah, dude, more birds in my wallet
I love it
I'm gonna go look at it actually
It's like post-scriptions
It's like, you know
Everything's got
I wanna see more chi-scriptions
Or like the chia stuff
Cause like Foods is talking about how it used to be like taking like a lot of space.
And then now and then right after they did that project, they figured out how to make it less, which is how everything always works.
It's like you find the solution after you fucking worked hard just to get something done.
But yeah, I would mute out right now, but my shit's telling me I'm a listener.
And when I click a request, it's just crazy.
Yeah, you're a listener for me too.
Yeah, crazy, right?
I'm breaking the law.
It's the show's art as a co-host
dude art bro art dude art had a breakthrough not that long ago and it like literally like
triggered me i almost felt like i was like coming out of my fucking skin i was like dude he he tapped in like you're like he's in the ethers again
fuck chill out chill out it's like nah it's super sick dude i feel like i've been experiencing a lot
of breakthroughs with other people where they're like yeah but i just i don't i'm not sure if i
know you enough to tell you it's like we've been breathing this air forever, dude.
We've been here before.
The scary part is that you won't just get the thing over with,
and it always has to be some – okay, so if it's not about validation,
you always got to validate why you should be able to tell anybody anything. Right?
Communication.
We always got to find a reason to validate why I tell you something and I just met you.
How do you know you just met me?
It's not valid.
How do you know that?
What if I know you?
You forgot.
So it's crazy.
It's crazy.
It's just too much.
But, um...
Yeah.
I'm gonna exit.
Love you guys.
Stay safe, bro. Take care.
Good night, nerd.
Welcome, BigFud.
Hope you're doing well.
Yeah, I got a little bit more in me, Edward, and then I'm, uh...
I'm, uh, I'm gonna call it, call it a night here.
Uh, I only got so much, uh...
Like, I have energy, it's just, I, it's my voice right now that I'm having a hard time.
Continue speaking words.
Yeah.
All good. We've been going, what, four hours, I think?
Four and a half, so let's try and get to 24 hours, then we'll call it a night.
Yep, just 48 hours.
It's been a really interesting space today.
It's been very really interesting space today yeah
lots of curveballs
yeah
that's right
a few right, two or three
Foods has announced
that he's working on his first app
on Chia
so that was out of the blue
obviously he hosted Chia Toronto with John I think and Sabari
and then yeah other stuff has gone on so but yeah it's been really cool and yeah it's illuminate as
well as just joined I was just walked away for a few minutes there. Welcome to the space.
Welcome monkeys, welcome big fud.
Yeah, it's been a pretty good space, I think.
Yeah, pretty darn good tootin' space.
Oh, DBC is retiring, ladies and gentlemen.
If you've just tuned in, DBC has said he's leaving the Chia ecosystem in, was it six days?
Not the Chia ecosystem.
How did he phrase it?
He's canceling his Twitter, and that's what he's going to do.
And it was always part of a plan, so don't take it personally.
He's not part of the community, but he'll still be around in spirit.
But that was pretty big news.
I wonder if he could be persuaded not.
I actually find his perspective quite intriguing.
I like reading what he has to say, and I think it's pretty thought-provoking,
pretty insightful.
So I'm curious as to why he's now leaving.
Maybe he's leaving right as things are heating up,
right before things start taking off. Maybe that was always his plan, right before that. And who knows actually
who's actually behind it. I haven't really talked about his spaces and whatnot. But,
oh man, interesting. I didn't know that. Thank you for sharing that.
Yeah, he said it was part of a plan. I think he said it was like 18 months or something,
or around that time, and that he was always going to leave
at this point, but
I don't know. Yeah, I will miss him.
His art's great. I think I'll miss
hearing his perspective
more than even his art, which is saying
something.
Very
unique, likable individual.
And you know,
it may not be
forever.
It could just be something for now.
And maybe he would like to
you know,
maybe we'll see DBC under CBD.
You know?
We might see him under
a different alias. You know? We might see him under a different alias.
You know, you never know.
Yeah.
only one way to find out.
Keep breathing.
Keep breathing and wake up tomorrow
and find out.
You know, he did say that
he's going to be doing some free art drops
via postcards, so if you're interested in that,
check on X. You could see all about that.
But, yeah.
I'm a bit bittersweet about the situation
because I love DVC
and I only
want what makes
him happy
input on the Chia ecosystem
will be
missed
very much so The Chia ecosystem will be missed.
Very much so.
There is not many people that think the way he does.
We're all a little bit D-Gen in some way, shape, or form.
DBC is straight up just an artist.
There's not a D-Gen bone in his body other than, you know, he owns crypto.
That's about as D-Gen-y as he gets, right?
So, I, you know, I, you know,
as a collector of his artwork,
and, you know, I have his physical coming in here.
And that's another bit of alpha that was dropped here.
The way that my physical piece is going, for people who don't know,
DBC had an art collector NFT.
If I remember correctly, there was only 10 nfts made uh it's been a while
so sorry if that's a little bit off it was either 10 or 50 i'm pretty sure it was 10 though i'm like
90 sure anyways uh i gave dbc 10 xch on the chia blockchain uh in order to join his collector's club. And because I joined that,
DBC made a personal, one-of-a-kind art piece for me
and a written essay.
I know what the essay is.
I know what the art is.
But he told all of us today
that it's going to come in two pieces,
and I'm actually going to help finish the artwork itself.
So I'm looking forward to sharing that with y'all when it does arrive here.
It's currently, he said, in Newfoundland.
So hopefully that gets here soon, and who knows maybe next uh our thursday i have some art discussed about from one of our
one of our favorites but i do see that we have the chia you know edward we're talking about chia
legends earlier and monkey zoo definitely fits under that category.
So let me give a grand, warm welcome to the motherfucking,
and not the goat, he's the monkey.
Monkey Zoo, everyone.
I don't know about that.
I don't know about that.
I think Edward stacks up pretty well as one of the cheer OGs as well.
How's it going, guys? It's like half past six in the morning. I'm off on my way to teach some cadets some ambush drills.
I just thought I'd pop up and say hello because I've not spoken to you guys in ages.
Ages, ages. Seems like I always miss your spaces, Edward, but yeah, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I'm just up early, out, and managed to see you guys around a space and thought, well, I've got to pop up at least say hello.
Seems like I always miss your spaces, Edward.
Love that.
Yeah, good to see you, monkey.
Yeah, yeah, so how was your space? Any good alpha I need to catch up on?
yeah so how was your space how any any good alpha i need to catch up on i think the foods app is
yeah probably the number one because he's obviously so ahead of the curve but he's got some sort of
gaming app coming that links to ments and that ticks a lot of boxes so yeah i think watch this
space and he's hosting the world men championships right now so So he's... Yeah, that was pretty big.
And then DBC saying he's
leaving, maybe? Whatever leaving
means. And yeah, please go
ahead, jump in.
Illuminate.
You said that Foods is making an app
for what specifically?
Well, for Chia, I think.
Oh yeah, that's definitely.
I think you've made...
Is it memes?
Or memes or whatever you want to call them?
Memes, yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
I don't know.
Interesting.
I know he's been recently talking about a lot of what he's doing with Blank Canvas.
And recently he said to GooI that he's like, oh, I figured out what you're doing
and I wanted to hit you up in DMs to make sure that I didn't move forward
with the same idea you're going with.
So I'm curious if his app is revolving around that in some way or detail or if
it's involving what Bullish has discovered and created for his new minting experience uh for chia
nfts interesting yeah it could be two of those things linking together or not i'm not sure but
that that would make sense yeah it was in the first what only the first 30 minutes of the space
he talked about it so it sounds like they're
working on it and then because they met in person in Toronto it was catalyzed it's basically meeting
up in person was a catalyst and I think that's pretty interesting nice I'm hoping that it's
tied to what bullish is doing doing in GUI. Because, man, it sounds very exciting.
What are those guys up to? Because I've
sort of caught bits and pieces of it, but I haven't
actually
figured out what
GUI's working on.
So you don't know yet?
Do you know about blank canvas at all
about what sorry blank canvas oh yes i've kind of heard that banded around but i don't know
what it means you haven't heard anything about his idea at all yeah i've heard i've heard um him talk about blank canvas but i don't quite know what it means
sorry i'm driving so i might i might keep breaking up no it's it my mic is kind of wrecked as well so
my apologies if the volume is going in i've been trying to mess with my settings but it's not
quite that clear with with what gui's trying to do, he's already created an informed business entity and has
everything filed and what not legally.
And he's creating a business to sell products for artists and people who want clothes.
So I'm very curious to see what's going to happen you should listen and take a look at some of the
spaces that he's recorded recently basically it's going to be a company where people are going to
have the option to either be a part of the people that are closing and have a closer account or a
designer account that are designing art.
And the way that sales are going to be worked in are that 33% is going to go to blank canvas for any sale.
33% is going to go to the closer and 33% is going to go to the designer.
If there's not a closer or a designer, then the 33% from either side will go to the company.
And 1% is going to go to a fund or treasury.
From there, he is a mastermind when it comes to his background and history and his career of marketing and supply chain management for the best margins when it comes to pricing merchandise or materials
that are involved in inventory and inventory cost analysis when it comes to cogs so with that being
said he's uh he's very adamant about the rates that he's going to be able to provide when it comes to
different supplies and materials that people might want to merchandise with different artists.
It's going to be a collaboration platform, website, company.
It also involves two different tokens as well.
So those two tokens are going to be flowers and oil or soil with the ticker symbol there.
Those have some additional technology that I haven't explored entirely, but it's going
Those have some additional tokenomics that I haven't explored entirely.
to be very interesting for those who do make sales and our customers as well.
Mike, you said he was going through the tunnel, so he might be breaking up
that's really interesting
yeah
it was like a couple of weeks ago
I think Cookies did the space
it was called Ideas
or Idea Something
I was listening in
so yeah likewise
I didn't know the full detail
so thanks for explaining it
that sounds really cool
yeah and I think their main proprietary, like,
the software is going to be a lot more intricate than we even know of right now.
And even if he's hinted at things and you've deciphered it,
get on you.
But there's a lot more that's going to be going on in the background.
It's going to be available for those that want the closer role.
So what the designer role, when it comes to being a participant in this business this is outside of crypto entirely his main product that he's been using as an example
for the blank canvas company is going to be drink coasters i don't know about you, but I have more than four drink coasters
in my house right now.
In my cabinets,
I have multiple different types.
And the ones that I have
at my coffee table,
I have a couple different sets.
Two different sets, exactly.
But it's interesting because
it brings the opportunity to,
and I don't know if you've been inside of some of his spaces before,
but I truly recommend going through them and just trying to listen to it,
even if it's just for a bit.
That's his description of what the coaster means and the opportunity it brings
to get your mind rolling on what you can do overall with OneCanvas,
not just with their main problem doing the coaster, but just on what you can do overall with one canvas not just with their
main problem being the coaster but just overall what you can do is going to be very intriguing
i know for myself when it comes to the coasters i want to run with that in my local area so many
different restaurants bars and breweries that I know for a fact
do not have
coasters and do not have
the business propositions that
Dewey's proposed in his spaces
such as, since he's already
said it publicly, he's mentioned
one of his friends
owns a bar and he's like, hey bro
do those companies
that you have those coasters for Coors Light, Budweiser, Bud Light, do they pay you for those coasters?
Do they pay you to have them in your box?
No, no, they don't.
They don't pay you?
Well, what if you sold coasters to your customers and you, in return, just for being loyal customers, offered them like a little discount, like 2%, 1%, 5%, maybe 10%.
For the first year, you have a common thing going every year.
Maybe you design a QR code or a different AR art.
With that, so that one side has that on the coaster,
maybe it's just something cool that represents their business. Maybe it's just the
discount. If they bring it in they get that
discount. If they bring it in with a
friend they get a little extra discount.
Who knows? You can do whatever
you want with your business.
But that's just one example when it comes to
what Blink Ennis is going to offer.
The coasters
is just one of the main products
that they're going to be working on.
Really cool.
That's really cool.
Did you say there was a must-see video that we should go to?
I'm not sure if I misunderstood.
Oh, no, no, no.
It's always just been, like, random spaces that Gooey's in,
talking about it and whatnot.
I got here, yeah.
And I think he's recorded some of them.
I mean, I'm not sure you can go find it.
I'm not sure if you just go talk to anyone that's been in them.
People will tell you what he's been saying.
He said he's been talking about having the best rates for items in general.
So it's going to be interesting to see what's going to happen there.
He said it from the get-go, a lot of people are going to talk shit.
Not a lot of people are going to like what it is that he's revealed, you know, coasters,
who really cares about that.
But for those that are creatives, for those that have businesses already,
they're going to be jumping in and trying to make sure that it works for them well.
As you were explaining it, it was almost felt like your mic was going to go into the Matrix.
And that's why I was thinking it's probably a good idea if the Matrix is trying to interfere with hearing about it.
Lots of the best ideas seems to happen to that, but
that's really good then.
Is there a timeline currently
on the table?
I think there's been a few numbers
that have been thrown around that is like after
Ducktober,
maybe before something's actually viable,
but overall I think after Dougtober.
Speaking of which, I haven't been paying attention to the chia price like most of you.
I haven't been paying attention to the Chia price like most of you.
At least, I'd like to presume that most of us aren't really paying attention to the price that much,
besides monitoring it once in a while,
other than just accumulating and vibing.
But it looks like we're on our way.
It looks like we're really on our way with what's being produced by Primuno Capital
and what the team is doing with gene he's doing
they're doing amazing work and we're set up we're set up to prime especially with the
talks the explanations of the exploits and sui crashing just time and time again we have
more and more examples of why Chia, their
consensus model, is the best.
What a time to be alive.
The clock keeps ticking.
The clock keeps ticking.
I just got to prove that I've taken up space here and that I've been spending my time as well.
I don't know if you guys farm, but I'm trying to convince a lot of people in my life, like family members and whatnot, to get into it.
Especially since we have the have everything happening with Burrito
on the way.
It's very hard, especially if you've been around
for a long time. You've been talking to people
for countless years
or months.
It's hard to get
them convinced to start farming.
Yeah, and I've
said this since the start. It should have been called mining and they
should have put that in a megaphone and screamed it at people on the street.
Well, that's probably a bit far, but the word mining has a magical connotation or feeling
in the crypto world.
And it basically means free digital gems for the regular man.
And by turning it into the word farming,
it created a major psychological disconnect because farming is a lonely,
isolated,
singular exploit that people do living in the country that is hard work and you
get up early and it's tiring and there aren't digital gems out there.
There's carrots and foxes and like you could use a combine harvester and hack your leg off by accident
and you're a fat man on a tractor going up a field that's farming that is not it's neither
sexually attractive nor explains what you're actually doing which is trying to win digital
gems uh which i think i completely disagree with you there.
I think that when it comes to farming, it takes a lot more hard work to actually get it done,
do the right thing, compared to the typical association that we have with cryptos and mining.
I like that it's called farming, separately from mining, because it distinguishes that
it isn't just a quick thing you know it is
something that we take and and i think when it comes to farming i think of a family being on a
farm running a whole farm it's it's families and generations that are making a farm it's not
just a random people jumping in as co-workers to do a quick job. These are generations that are tithing this land, making sure that
everything's correct when it comes to the health of the soil, make sure that the timing
is right when it comes to the seasons. So I personally appreciate the fact that it's
called farming because it's easier to distinguish between EVMs and mock chains that are out
there. Between what? Sorry.
It broke up there.
Oh, it's easier to distinguish between the mockchains
and what we have here with Chia.
Well, no, I would argue it makes it harder
because it's a disconnected word.
So I really like what you said there when you said that.
Disconnected, but it's distinguished, though.
It's distinguished, and it will have its own time to shine.
Yeah, binding has had its time to shine when it comes to multiple cryptos out there.
Just because it's well-known now doesn't mean that farming can't be adopted and learned as well.
Yeah, when you said that farming is like a family thing that takes a lot of, it's a lot more hard work than you is given credit for.
That's my problem with the use of it is because that's not what chia farming is.
Chia farming is not hard.
It's one of the easiest, most simple, brilliant things ever.
It's the opposite of actual farming, which is a real hearty profession.
which is a real hearty profession.
Well, when it comes to the connotation of farming,
like you said, it sounds like,
oh, I have to wake up hard and do a lot of hard work,
but really, what are you doing?
You're just planting seeds and watering.
Farming isn't that hard compared to mining.
We all know that.
Now, that's interesting.
If it was planting seeds, not farming,
I think of farming as the part
when the man on the combine harvester
picking the
fruit, almost, which is a hard job.
If it was like seeds
or something, or it's seeding or something,
or do you see what I'm saying?
Well, that's one step. There's multiple steps.
But you want the...
You have to
prep the soil.
You know, you have to plot.
And from there, you've got to plant your seeds when you're plotting.
And over time, it'll grow.
You'll go ahead and harvest what you have.
Yeah, but most people wouldn't know that from the word farming
because 99% of the world's population,
farming is something that men are doing in a field somewhere that's hard work.
But chia is easy.
It's like, I don't know, it's like a pop tart popping out of the thing, although you could burn your hand.
But like that simple.
You hit the button and it's there.
but looking at the price
I think looking at the price action
since it launched till now
I don't think being a farmer
this whole time has been easy
it has been hard
it actually does make sense now
what's the name of that?
nominative determinism or something
things become the work of that
so there you go wow What's the name of that? Nominative determinism or something. Things become the work of that.
So there you go. Yeah. Wow.
And with that, eventually it will pay off.
It's not as quick and easy as getting a pickaxe and chipping away at rock.
TNT. I can picture some of the one petabyte farmers
dreaming of being in a field
on a combine harvester
this was less stress
but yeah
I do think that that is the reason
that regular people don't want to install
is because of that word farming that was used instead of mining
if we want to talk about this i think regular people don't want to know at all
just at all man like i talk to so many people of different walks of lives that
are different age age spans that have different backgrounds, that have different
cultural backgrounds, and a lot of them just don't want to touch crypto at all.
And to me, it really saddens me, because one, I would like to think that the people that
are in my life, at least the ones that I really care about, that at least maybe that they would see that I'm so enthusiastic about something that they would be interested in at least enough to hear me out and try to be enthusiastic as well.
But for those that really don't know, just like don't care that much and aren't that close, even they, all around, they don't really want to hear it out.
Until I bring up Chia uh until i bring up chia
until i bring up
still a far fetch from farming though yeah oh no yeah i missed what you said the bulk of it
were you saying people are more excited about Chia compared to other cryptos or no I was saying that people just don't
want to hear about crypto in general what it's about and the only way that I get
them interested is when I say a few keywords that involve what pure Muto
Capital and Chia are doing and then they seem a little bit more intrigued and like,
oh, okay, at least you're talking about real stuff.
You know, when I bring up what Bermuda Capital is doing and Chia.
But when I talk about Bitcoin, when I talk about any other crypto out there,
I just talk about what it is and what it means to the world and history
and what it means to our civilization, what it means to economics, just in general,
and what people are doing and what different entities are doing with it.
They don't want to hear it at all.
Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's interesting. I can't say anyone I know.
I mean, I've offered to set crypto wallets up for people
and they're not that basically it's almost like i'm forcing them to do it it's sort of when you
sort of know it's it's not necessarily even for someone's good uh you know oh go on setting a
theorem account up oh but i don't want to go on it'll be good you can have an nft you know so yeah i kind of agree with that i think
there's no definitive app that a regular person could use that's just like just any grandma around
the world could just do this this way very quickly that isn't on chia uh or blockchain and in fact
this is kind of an interesting marker,
is at the Ethereum in Bangkok conference,
probably last year, late last year now,
it was like the first Ethereum conference ever in Thailand on this level.
It was big.
It was like Vitalik was talking on the first day.
The star speaker went and saw it.
And then they had the big one at the Queen Surrogate Center.
That's the main conference hall in Bangkok.
You know, really expensive ticket, same as what people said earlier for consensus and
boom.
The main photo of the whole conference was a random guy walking around with like a shoe
box on his head and a sort of a silly mast.
And it just said, where are the D apps?
Question mark.
So he had dedicated his time to pointing out that
there's no d app development going on on ethereum whatsoever and that would make complete sense
and there isn't really on cheer well there is a little bit but
not as much as i should be uh but yeah there's nothing for regular people to actually use it for
yeah, there's nothing for regular people
to actually use it for.
Crypto in general, that is.
Yep.
Man, I don't know what's going to be the case
that leads to it actually being adopted.
I think that when it comes to the ordinary person,
it's going to be like anything else.
When it comes to sociology, at least a little bit to me,
people are going to see the peer group
that they want to be a part of.
And if those peer groups are doing the thing
that they're not used to,
they're going to find a way to be used to it.
They're going to adapt to it.
So as soon as those peer groups
or those people with authority
start doing those things
towards crypto
that they look up to,
it's only going to be until then that they start
jumping in. And we
will eventually have easier ways
to do it, easier ways to
concisely
package it up
in a few, like, three steps.
You know, download Sage,
buy it off this exchange, send
it there.
Boom.
Simple things like that.
I do apologize.
I missed a part of what you said in the middle there.
I'm dealing with a little baby kitten right now that I'm trying to raise right now.
it's being a little rat
It's being a little rat.
yeah I
I pinned something up at the top
it's probably the last thing I pinned
I think like the lowest
hanging fruit that could ever be
in crypto is
permanent name service
names but there's only basically two is permanent name service, PNS names.
But there's only basically two, no, no, there's one.
There's one in the world
and it's called Unstoppable Domains.
I've been following it closely because to be honest,
I was only interested at first
because I thought this is where the money will be.
And so that when permanent name,
or when names appear on Chia,
whoever gets some of the top names,
they'll be worth $5,000, $10, dollars each so that that's for sure i thought but we still haven't had a permanent name
so i haven't even tested that theory but uh unstoppable domains is on ethereum and they've
just done a deal with brave browser and basically brave browser you're going to get dot brave names
actually they're available now but they are permanent and they don't link to data layer. So I think Chia's killer use is a permanent name linked to
NFTs linked to the data layer, because then you bypass the unstoppable domains and the brave
domains and you jump straight to the data layer where the information is stored.
So I feel like that's the real battle in crypto is who does this permanent name system first.
And then once you've done it, that's where grandma could have her own name and like a dot com.
So the new dot coms is what these are, in my opinion.
So whichever blockchain does them well first, like I feel that they'll win because then that will get linked to spoken voice as well.
Because you can trigger WebRTC conversations through NFTs,
I would think, because it's a signing mechanism.
And then you've got gated private worlds.
So I think it will happen.
It's just a question of when, I think,
or who does it first, I guess.
It's very interesting. I don't know if the common person is going to be
using multiple chains though
using a what sorry it just broke up
using multiple chains
you're right exactly
so it's whoever does it first
is going to take the pile
well even then
if somebody creates a service where you can
have one PNS that covers everything,
is that even necessary because most people aren't going to use everything?
You know, like the average person.
I think I misunderstood. What did you mean by everything?
So, if I'm not mistaken, the PNS is supposed to be covered across...
It's a permanent name, correct?
I got you, yeah.
Yeah, no, it's an NFT name, basically.
So it's the word,
the human readable name.
For example, BigFud, let's say.
BigFud.Bitcoin is one of the permanent names
on Ethereum. It's a bit weird
to think of it that way, but the permanent name service
unstoppable domains is on
Ethereum. But I
think
that if there was one on Chia,
a name service linked to metadata in the nfts then that
could be a permanent name service too but the difference cheer would have is it would link to
data layer far quicker which is the storage layer which unstoppable domains does not have
so their solution doesn't scale i don't know if that makes it clearer or more confusing
I don't know if that makes it clearer or more confusing.
I'm just trying to relate it back to the everyday user.
Yeah, so let's say that you install your Chia wallet,
and it's mining software, and grandma installs it.
Boom, click install.
Grandma can do that, because if grandma can't do that,
then grandma's granddaughter could do that,
just installing it once.
But within the Chia wallet or the Bitcoin 2 wallet,
you would have your permanent name would be in there as an NFT.
So basically an installed bit of software,
which is your NFT name, grandma.xch.
It's permanent, not rented.
And then grandma can update her website simply by dragging and dropping a file into the browser which has been installed and that just
updates her website right there on data layer and anyone who goes to grandma.xch can see her
new her.com basically which can never be it's not rented like .com. So the thing that NFT domains have over .coms
is they're permanent now,
because people are tricked that .coms are owned.
They're not. They're rented, too.
But it's just the icon of shady, hiding-in-the-shadows people.
So all .coms are rented.
So no one on Earth has got a permanent any-name service whatsoever.
So in a sense, Unstoppable Domains is
like the first ever
truly
decentralized dot-com
service, but it's not that well designed yet.
But Chia could jump ahead and
win it
all, in a sense.
Why do we want permanent
names like that, Edward?
The way I look at it is like, bro, if I fucking died yesterday and I had all these fucking names, right?
No one would be able to get them.
So, like, I'm trying to, like, why should we have permanent names?
Well, so it's not rented.
Is that only because it's like directly on the blockchain
is that what you mean or is it all centralized still too because a lot of times people a lot
of times people still have a key in the background for what's happening that software the smart
contracts or the code that's being put out there yeah i think it's metadata as an nft because nfts are uncensorable and when i say that
i don't mean the image that an nft could obviously have a 10 gigabyte movie attached to it and that
would not be uncensorable but the actual nft hash basically is uncensorable so if that has an
uncensorable metadata representing a human word then it's
basically it costs nothing so you're creating a permanent name from i mean it'd probably be less
costly than using a piece of tissue paper and like burning it with a lighter like it's free to do it
so it just requires someone doing it but once the metadata metadata is in the NFT and that's in someone's wallet,
that metadata and that NFT are uncensorable.
So if you had Zoticus.xch forever, and yes, something tragic happened,
you only live to 150, not 1,000 as we hope,
and Zoticus.xch is not lost, though,
your permanent website will then live on forever because it's uncensorable.
And no one can ever get it and then update it unless you pass it on to someone or transfer it or what you choose to do.
You know, it's like a family heirloom in essence.
It just means that when people die, all that happens is the central authority will just get more and more and more and more and more and more powerful because they will absorb all the domains, essentially, satanic, actually probably not satanic, by then they'll be gone,
but you know absolutely centralized, hidden danger because you've rented it when it's actually less
time to develop a permanent system because it doesn't need renewing. So it's far less effort
to do a permanent name too. So that time is the ultimate bottleneck.
So yeah, does that win favor for it or not?
I'm not sure.
I feel that just owning it forever is a good thing.
Have I over-promoted it now?
I tend to do that, so
I'm trying to win favor for it, not
drive people away.
But it could also be
your permanent identity as well.
Your computer game
score identity.
Sorry, I was away from my keyboard for a little bit.
I'm still listening.
I had my headset in.
So I'm just trying to understand the weakness then,
because you're saying it's an NFT,
but you're also saying it's a website.
Correct.
Can you explain that a little bit more because I'm not too sure
I don't know where I'm like
I don't know why
I'm misunderstanding
or not understanding
the connection there
yeah so I'm
I feel like I'm
I feel like I'm
picking up what you're putting down there
no that's good
I really like the fact
because I'm picturing
a sort of ideal solution
so it's not
if you had an nft with metadata it wouldn't automatically be a website but i'm saying if
like the low-hanging fruit of chia that to onboard the masses would be this would be a
basically a chia browser that's in the wallet so if you've got an nft in your chia wallet
just like i don't know a chia friend you would have a permanent name in there and within the
wallet the chia wallet itself there would be a mini web browser and that would view simply human
readable words in it no www dot no it would simply be restricted to things on the Chia blockchain's metadata in the
permanent name system NFT collection. And when you would type in on that plugin on the Chia browser,
I don't know, Zoticus, let's say, whatever the Zoticus.nft user uploaded to the data layer would then display.
And it would be like a new type of web browser powered by the NFT.
I see.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's if it was like everything was just built on the blockchain itself or it's completely decentralized.
Yeah.
It's in control.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Nobody's working on that now.
Well, this is where I'm, I wouldn't say I'm frustrated now.
I actually feel it's going to work out for the best,
but I was really frustrated for a couple of years
because when we did the first world record 2022,
and that I didn't really even host anything in that.
So Clyde Wallace and josh and you know
lots more people worked hard on that first world record but at the end of it there was like a
summary session of what does the community want and basically everyone said an xch name a name
a name and different people have that people just keep putting out rented name services.
And so Chia's never actually had a name that's permanent.
And so that's why it's not being worked on.
And I keep arguing for it, but I can only do so much because, well, Chia's not interested.
CNI, I should say, doesn't seem to be interested.
And anyone I try and suggest could work on it doesn't want to, or they want it to be rented, basically.
So, yeah, rented, it won't work rented.
That is definitely for sure.
It definitely won't work that way.
But if it's done permanently, you've got an Ethereum beta.
I really think so.
I understand.
I don't know, like, an L2, perhaps, you know.
Interesting.
Yeah, I guess L2s.
Maybe you could do, like, thousands of names or different types of names on the L2s. Maybe you could do like thousands of names
or different types of names on the L2 perhaps.
Maybe that's where you could bring in all the...
So that you're not restricted to .Bitcoin2 or .Chia.
Maybe that's where the .Endertown could be on the Layer 2 perhaps.
So that it's like whoever owns the basic name could then sell the all the variations off i don't know it could be a real money spinner
if a critical mass use it but yeah i'm really keen for it to happen for sure but
i almost think if another blockchain does it first
that blockchain will definitely win so i mean i'm imagine if bitcoin 2 launched out of nowhere
chia would be caught with its pants down with just about the worst name ever going up against
just about the best name ever doing just about the best thing ever like cheer would be fucked but well I tried my
best I'm not Satoshi Nakamoto that's for sure but I like to suggest these things
no one knows who is of course
we'll see
like Zodiacus was saying
how necessary is it
well
if you want to bring influencers in
very necessary
but is it necessary for influencers to do their thing If you want to bring influencers in, very necessary.
But is it necessary for influencers to do their thing?
Most influencers already have their media.
Well, they would have a website on Twitter. I mean, if you wanted to, like, let's say target a male demographic market to basically extract money off them,
then there'd be nothing better to be right now than probably female and having members of the
Chia male community looking at their information on a website that's linked to Chia. So if the
influencer had that link and users of Chia could see it, it would filter out influencers from the physical world into
basically the Chia world through a third party decentralized place which is the permanent
website location the influencer would host from their NFT so I see a lot of different benefit of
it but again maybe no influencer will want to update a website though whether it's on a
blockchain or not so maybe I'm kind of overvaluing what other people might do with it so maybe
maybe you could give all the tools to create new websites to everyone in the world and there'll
still be the same number of dot-coms and a few developers releasing the websites and that's it. Maybe, do you know what I mean?
I may be
overvaluing it, but...
I think
you're overestimating
what those influencers and other
people might do. Like, in an
ideal world, they would take advantage
and run with it and get creative with
it, but a lot of the times these influencers
pay other people to run all that
for them. They don't want to spend time
focusing on a website.
Yeah, yeah, it could be.
It could be.
But that doesn't mean that it doesn't have its place. It doesn't mean that it doesn't have its place.
It doesn't mean that it doesn't have its time.
I think that it has a very interesting, unique opportunity.
And I don't know if it necessarily, need to hit like the influencer side of things, but at least and the context that we're in currently.
Because then those people will want to.
They will want to learn how to do that.
They'll want to run those by themselves.
You know?
I also wonder if we're going to a future where people are just like I'm sick of phones,
computers, TVs, like blockchain, everything just like I'm buying food from a local muffin
shop and that's me I'll be in nature taking mushrooms like no need to use it so maybe
even any form of technology is like might be less used in the future, possibly.
You never know, but maybe it could be new technology as well,
like a reset.
I kind of think computers and PCs are weird.
They're really – I like my PC using it, but it could be just a lot nicer.
You could stand at them for a start.
I think arcade machines were better than PCs
because you stood at them.
So standing and operating something
is just better for the body.
So maybe in the future we wouldn't have
like our own personal websites.
You'd just do it in public maybe?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Humans aren't technologically linked. They're not linked
to technology by default. So if you were sort of saying, what would the future of humanity look
like? Well, it's whatever their nature is like most, then it's most likely we wouldn't be on
a screen in the future, I guess. Then again, you need some sort of shared place, or do you?
Maybe you don't need a shared reality. But then again, how would some sort of shared place, or do you? Maybe you don't need a shared reality.
But then again, how would you talk on spaces?
I'm second-guessing myself here.
It'd be like if I didn't use technology again,
I wouldn't lose the connection, but it wouldn't be the same
if you couldn't be in a space with people and hear DBC or foods.
It just wouldn't be the same.
So maybe there's a fine line.
You need it.
But I'm definitely rambling
now no you're good bro it's just fun talking about that stuff i think it's the same thing
wondering about what might be and thinking about like different use cases different issues in terms of foresight I think that's
what's really fun about being
yeah if I was to
if I could dream my best world right
I would definitely not want
to be the ruler of a place
because you've got too many targets on your back
I would want a few lovers, let's say,
beautiful ones,
but even then, if you get one wrong lover
and she gets paid off by someone to take you out,
you're dead, right?
You had the wrong lover.
So that's not good either.
So you have to get the balance,
but I feel that humans like sexuality and food
and being outside
so the future probably looks like more nice food outside maybe with less clothes I guess but
maybe it'll be inside more with permanent names and spaces I don't know absolutely yeah I mean
the only thing I see you know I don't know either but what I. I mean, the only thing I see, you know, I don't know either, but what I see is that
we have a lot of AI and robotics that are emerging at a place where we're trying to
have more efficient energy technology.
And a lot of the times we see people losing jobs, people losing careers, not having places
to work.
That's probably going to be the reality for a lot of humans in the future.
And their jobs don't actually work to buy a human.
And if that happens on a mid-mass, we need to have a system that rewards and incentivizes
people to do what actually matters as a human,
like taking care of the people around you,
focusing on yourself mentally and physically,
looking out for your community,
trying to contribute to society as a whole.
So you see what's going to happen when things do occur.
Now, you've just reminded me of something
that Ruben said in a Chia space.
Ruben is really fascinating.
And I saw him doing a space the other day about AI.
If you don't know Ruben,
he's got like a PFP with like kind of glasses
and he's got really interesting voice.
But he said in one of the big spaces,
he shared this idea that some place in Japan gave community tokens to people for
every, let's say hour that they work for free at a care home.
Wasn't technically free because they got a token for it,
but it wasn't a money thing it was like but
within their community it started to take on its own value somehow and so he i suppose the suggestion
was could you somehow use nfts or some sort of token on chia to reward positive behavior somehow
for good deeds maybe kind of thing but i thought the example he gave was really good about the
tokens for community hours served in a japanese province somewhere
interesting
yeah what you said kind of reminded me of it when you were saying that
how community and
things like that
so maybe NFTs there
could be but then again why use an NFT
just have a
leaf maybe
but then again
online would be different though so
in your physical community maybe a leaf would
be better than an NFT
if you trust them i guess but then again maybe you shouldn't trust them
because people will fake leaves then so maybe you do need an nft
nfts would be better online i guess for digital communities that'd be logical but
is that'd be logical.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think there's probably gonna be a mix
of multiple different things.
I think NFT technology should be utilized.
There's a lot of opportunities there.
It's honestly that question
of how we navigate that change
and thinking about how we solve,
how we have solutions prepared for the problems
that are going to come with innovation
has been one of the main driving things
that I've been focusing on ever since I was younger.
I feel like I have, like, I don't know why,
I feel like something about the spark of my being
is, like, telling me to focus on it, and I can't know why. I feel like something about the spark of my being is telling me to focus on it,
and I can't shake it,
so I feel like I have to hash it out
in any way I can.
Yeah, I don't know,
but I really think that
there has to be a way
to incentivize those at the top
and also give to those at the bottom as well
where it doesn't affect one or the other doesn't it doesn't misalign uh
there has to be a solution um if we're not thinking of a solution then it's either lack of creativity or lack of imagination
or just
people just straight up
not being
coherent enough to
think about the logical steps
that might happen
I really think if we can find a way to incentivize
people to do the right thing
mentally and physically and in their community But I really think if we can find a way to incentivize people to do the right thing,
mentally and physically, and in their community, that people will be better off as a whole for society. At least I hope so.
It sounds like Cookie's idea could end up doing that as well.
It seems to tick some similar boxes as far as in the physical world and coasters and
you can always spread messages that way too.
So that's kind of interesting.
Digital, right?
Physical, digital.
How does it link to the physical world?
Which is where communities live, of course.
Yeah, I was saying earlier, I think the future is holograms
that are projected into the physical world, but the holograms being stored on data layer where they're referenced would basically create a permanent holographic shaped object that can't be changed.
shaped object that
can't be changed.
Like if the hologram was projected
out into the street
or into your living room or something,
that could be
a new
metaverse, basically.
Starting linked to data layer.
I don't know.
Interesting.
Interesting. yeah and i kind of think the nf the permanent names could do that too so if you had zoticus dot chia you could have the website in the thing but perhaps if someone goes to the zoticus
hologram powered by permanent names you would see a sort of i don goes to the zoticus hologram powered by permanent names
you would see a sort of i don't know a zoticus world like a zotti world like a zoomed in cat
head and you go in through a hidden tooth and like when you get in there that's where the secret chat
is but only when you project it and you click this nft button does it unlock the audio and then you're
in the shared reality it takes you into the cat's tooth
and where Master Zoticus is entertaining his legion of fans and admirers, let's say.
So that projected, then you can actually see it as well.
And perhaps it could update if you click the button that goes through
that uses the NFT as a door.
And then you just chat with people like that.
So that's cool as a brand, as an individual user, who's trying to promote a business or get a door. And then you just chat with people. That's cool as a brand
and as an individual user who's trying to
promote a business or get a brand.
But I don't know
how necessary that is overall
for that user.
Oh, sorry. It broke up just there.
I was just saying
I don't know.
I see that that's a good idea for a good brand or business.
I don't know how necessary that is for the average user.
Yeah.
Let's think.
Maybe if you could get a lot of viewers on your average user hologram,
just placing an ad in there, perhaps you could sell the ad space out, let's say.
So sort of like a billboard in the NFT hologram that's projected.
I don't know if that makes sense.
It's always going to come down to an ad place somewhere.
So if you control a hologram, I guess it'll be a digital ad in the hologram that could
generate money.
Again, would that be useful for a regular user though?
Maybe people just wouldn't care.
I don't care if I can generate money for an ad.
Like, I just don't even want to think about that.
So maybe it's not a good idea, I don't know.
But.
The less thinking the better, you know.
The less actions the better.
Yeah.
A meeting place to talk probably i guess yeah but there's a lot of places to do that you know but i like your ideas though i think it's fun to talk about. I really think that it would be interesting to see if something like that permanent name domain tech
comes to Chia.
I don't know if those developers are even exploring Chia Lisp yet.
I don't know if you develop things or not,
but it would be interesting to see if they do adopt it
and they try to study the language a bit.
Yeah, it's not much used, is it?
I'm not a developer myself, but it doesn't seem like it's that easy to use.
But then again, you can, like Joshua has done, you don't have to use Chia Lisp to release
something, quote unquote, on Chia.
And I doubt Foods is doing Chia. Well, Laurie might be.
Yeah, you can train
an LL model. You can use
something like Cursor or a few
different applications out there
that can learn a language
pretty sufficiently.
At least for the
small or niche use
that you're trying to utilize it for.
And then, just like any other language out there as well, if you're trying to utilize it for. And then just like any other language out there as well,
if you're trying to study C or C++,
even just Python, you're going to cover some of the basics for sure and understand that.
But when it comes to some of the other
longer logical and
comprehensive longer logical and comprehensive things that play upon the different layers
when it comes to developing the architecture for things.
It's going to be a little bit more complex
if you're just starting from scratch.
You don't even know what developing is.
But for those that do know what developing is
and understand the architecture
and structure,
I'm hoping that those people
will step in and see GeoLisp,
learn the nuances,
learn the different syntaxes,
and step up
and try to develop on it.
I think it's going to happen
regardless, you know.
Man drives innovation and we are going to happen regardless. Man drives innovation.
And we are going to have that demand
as long as everything passes with those S1s
and those SCC filings.
Dude, I realized that maybe all of that
was never heard because I know my mic is wrecked.
No, I got most of that one.
It's been almost going out a couple of times, but no, it's pretty clear.
Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see. I'm excited. I'm excited.
So much potential, you know. We're so early.
You know, is that your real name, Ed?
Yeah, it's my middle name, actually, but yeah.
Okay.
My middle name is Danny.
But my first name is Nathan.
As you can see by the way.
Yeah, man. We'll see
there's so many different things on the table
so much potential for things to happen
and hopefully
it does
I'm sure you've done the math
you've seen it
you see where things are lining up
Zodicus
you sounded sleepy before
I'm sure you're pretty knocked out right now.
But I'm sure you've done calculations as well. You time, Lord.
Maybe he's fallen asleep on his pillow of cloudy marshmallow juice up in heaven there.
cloudy marshmallow juice up in heaven there.
Xoticus.
Yeah, well, I think we've been going like one, two,
I think we're five hours.
That's pretty good.
Monkey Zoo popped in earlier.
That was good.
And yeah, I've really enjoyed talking at the end.
It's been really good.
Thanks for listening to me ramble, illuminate,
and appreciate your takes on it as well.
I really appreciate it.
Yeah, man.
I'm always here to chat.
Give my two cents, even though
the pennies are going away in the US.
I'll still throw it out there.
Yeah, we'll
come back. See you next time. Cheers,
Bigfoot. Take it easy. Art with heart.
I think you're not here, but you're, at least on my phone, your PFP still is, so you're still
here. Hope you're sleeping well. So I think I hope you're sleeping well. Yeah, thanks
to everyone for joining in. I've challenged Mark Andresen to a public debate on the CHIA
CNI Discord through his employee, Gene Hoffman,
to forward the message, very important message. Please, Gene, send it to Marc Andreessen. I'd
like to talk to him soon in a Twitter space linked to the Chia community, preferably on Monday.
So thank you. And yeah, we'll see you same time next week. Watch this space. Much love.
And yeah, we'll see you same time next week. Watch this space. Much love. And yeah, love each other.
