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Founders’ Talk with Dato and Victor
Recorded: Aug. 22, 2025 Duration: 0:58:39Space Recording
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome everybody for the founders talk.
Let's wait a couple, I guess, one, two minutes for people to join up.
We'll begin shortly. Thank you. Thank you. All right, I think we can begin.
Once again, thank you everybody who joined today.
It's Dato and with me today here is...
Hello everybody.
Yeah, it's Victor.
We're sitting from the same room, so we're a lot of things to talk about
and reveal some things before they actually
hit the media information sources that we have.
And as you know, we are preparing a lot of releases.
And we're also preparing for the conference
that we're having in for the conference that we're
having in Bucharest pretty soon by the way inviting you guys to join us there this year
very fun but yeah let's delve right into the things that we wanted to discuss today and like well what can we discuss we can discuss Pobu right why scalability
like souls volume and like proof of biometric uniqueness souls value and why
it brings it this value to the pretty much any chain right that is trying to implement some type of civil resistance
on it yeah and you know not only web 3 but pretty much all intranet is facing the same problems
like bots and multi-accounted and we're living in a world right now where it seems that we have
and we're living in a world right now where it seems that we have just got very accustomed to
having civil environments right it's an ordinary thing it doesn't
you know bring out the reaction of shock or surprise yeah we're we're accustomed to see the
comments from the bots on x being the first ones in the comment section and we just
scroll them down quickly.
It's an everyday thing.
I'm just always thinking about the systems and how their properties will change if those
systems internally and the architecture outside, meaning the broader web, will all be able to contain some sort of civil resistance.
At least the one that limits the civil resistance on a very large scale, right?
So if we imagine like a global layer of identities, like all of them, some sort of, right?
How much would we consider, like, how many of those identities would be symbols right now?
In a percentage perspective.
I think the most, like, probably 10 times more than identities, even plural identities created by real humans.
Well, right now the main identity we're using the internet is the Google account or your email.
And of course it's not simple resistance at all.
Every one of us has five or 10 of them.
Yes.
Well, I don't know, like limiting that sort of identity in the internet
will be very uncomfortable right like having it one identity for all and
not recarishing it what I mean even if we count only like I don't know um you know various businesses that are working to create multi-identity
in symbols to symbol for something right uh to symbol political stuff to uh bring traction for
apps to uh growth hack various socials right i even think that like those um industry grade civil
companies uh today probably create much more identities online than any ordinary person just
for his i don't know for his work or for his personal life and stuff like this.
And yeah, we just got accustomed to it.
It's like you're already expecting Sibyls on social platforms,
in loyalty programs, in Web3s,
you're expecting them in all airdrops.
And it seems like still it's 2025
and people are not getting their mind to somehow gate this problem at the entrance.
Most of them think it's a low priority because first you have to get the users or liquidity.
And think about the CBLS later.
That's why it's for many companies, they're in backlog for years, but it's totally there.
Everybody understands the issue.
It's much harder to get the Sibyl out once you have already kind of deployed the system.
It's much harder to organize it afterwards and catch all of them to, and like not somehow inflict pain on your user base.
It's rather impossible.
Right.
This is true.
This is true.
But I haven't seen the article like building civil resistance systems from scratch.
That hasn't happened yet.
Yeah. happened yet. So that's why we of course are trying to build the most
egalitarian network from the validator perspective, gating the symbols so that
the person is not able to deploy the same node with the same face but we're
also constantly updating all other parts of the infrastructure
to make this implementation easier, not only for our networks, companies working on our chain,
but also on all others.
That's why something like biomapping uh service that we do exists so you
want to talk about our latest update to biomapper well i i was just talking about the yes we can
talk about the updates to buy mapper truly but uh i would say that the biometric part is also
evolving all the time right so it's not staying in one place uh we've started the human
node in 2020 uh because you know biometrics came to a certain level that that uh through ai you
could deliver some sort of precision in distinguishing whether it's a real human being or not
in distinguishing whether it's a real human being or not.
And there was the level of precision of 2021 and mechanisms in 2021.
Today is 2025 and biometric industry has only grown in size and precision
and various modules were added to how you're catching the symbol, because it's always a
race.
People are trying to devise new and more sophisticated ways to symbol some environment, and defense
is also upgrading itself.
And more and more data is refined by the AIs
who are actually conducting the lightness detection,
and they're becoming much more precise.
But when we're talking about biometric gating
of civil resistance, right, the biggest question
for companies who are actually delivering products that are working with such systems is the UX UI friction.
It was adding like a certain amount of steps into your flow on your application. really like really makes some users kind of recoil right and then not go for the whole flow because of various reasons.
Maybe they are lazy.
Maybe they are they're having like prejudice about the biometric tech and they don't know how the privacy is working.
Right.
So there are going to be many things. But in that regard as well, just as we have upgraded the UX UI of our biometric services,
so does the biometric industry as a whole.
Always trying to make it as seamless as possible to make people kind of go through this process.
I just wonder if sometime in the future,
there'll be a certain moment when the biometric check
is done without this whole biometric session,
move your face, change the light,
like almost done passively
while you're going through something else you know like
you're basically going through the flow of registration for example and meanwhile
your camera is on your back then yes you know so but of course when you're
allowed yeah yeah of course when you go out basically all you have to click is
allow camera usage and then you're doing your stuff in the app. Yeah, you're filling up the form.
This is a nice idea.
Yeah, I think, well, the biometric module that we're utilizing requires a 3D facial template, basically, to create the initial encrypted biometric data.
It needs footage of your face that then it
converts to a blurb and that's so in 3D.
So it requires this death change.
Yeah.
Right.
True.
Uh, that you have to move closer or maybe in other modalities, you have to, um,
rotate your face or something, you know, so, so that the model can check whether
you're a picture or not
and just see that you're actually living in a 3D space right now.
If somehow that could be, you know...
With less accuracy, yeah, easier.
With less accuracy it can be done, yes.
But like, we're focused on accuracy, right?
Because in our case, accuracy is a part of security
like a whole whole like security case is based on that accuracy so actually that the model that we
are implementing is rather strict it's very strict actually um when you're like deploying
a biometric server right you can choose some like the level of strictness
uh directly from the ai model that is looking at the data it is receiving and you can customize
the thresholds it's working through uh to actually understand whether you're a real human being or not
and uh we have those thresholds very strict, very strict, you know.
So because, well, basically, you can say that the whole capital that is like TVLed into
human node network and will be TVLed in the future will be gated by like proper strict
biometric security so like in the case of validators
probably maintaining the highest level of security is something that will not be able to drop yeah
but in case of biomapper maybe it is an option you know if we see that among 100 000 users there
were so many cases where people just failed to go through the interface because of its strictness.
Unfortunately, we don't.
Well, fortunately for users, unfortunately for us, we don't track users' data.
So we can only look at some metadata, which is always public.
Like, for example, your transactions in the blockchain.
And it's harder to figure out, like, what's the reason the person stopped using the app.
But for sure from the user perspective, if you're just, you know, in the process of,
let's say, bridging and swapping to get HMND on our chain from Ethereum, let's say, on
Optimism, while doing that, you're already going through
BIMATIC verification and then you just
put your address into smart contract and it's done.
You know, you don't waste time on this.
From 15 seconds to sometimes over one minute sessions
of facial recognition only.
That's a good idea for Biomepper really.
Like Biomepper is a product that is based on the, probably the same model
that is utilized in the validation, right?
Okay.
And the biometric sequence for extracting the biometric data and encrypting it and making
it secure is pretty much the same.
But like we control basically how the model responds to the data that is receiving and
like different outcomes from receiving different data can be
gated as well.
Right.
So we know that we are always also very reliant on the CVM that we are utilizing
to provide the privacy for all users and validators that we are kind of running on the chain.
And because that we care about the privacy that much, and because of we
care about the strictness of security that much, it actually limits the scope of
application.
Yeah, I can actually give you an example
a live example what happened in telegram lately uh it was not pvp telegram chat right but
telegram if you had some messages in your telegram chat maybe sent to you not by you
and by law of let's say france telegram was asked to delete the mentions of these messages.
They recently did that. So messages, you know, selected messages disappeared from your chat.
It actually means that Telegram knows all of your messages because it can delete the exact message.
And in our case, our privacy is much stronger and we cannot delete each user biometric data separately.
We would have to shut down the server.
That's the only way for us to get rid of any kind of data, which actually proves Telegram non-privacy in public chats which are not like p2p and also proves
our security levels to be honest so whenever you hear that something in private is private
but they can delete one of your messages you know that they read all of your messages
there's uh one thing about the the biometric sequence that we have and the thing is that we provide privacy through
CVMs, right? We maintain the high security for the model that, you know, creates quite some friction
because it sometimes won't let a real human go in several times before it actually accepts this person.
But still, we managed to make it so that it is actually device agnostic.
So it's always one-to-many matching, right?
And it's actually doable from any other device that is just connected to the network.
doable from any other device that is just connected to the network so usually
this is much easier to maintain privacy on a device that is being scanned like
that is used to scan your face or some other modality because you can just
store the data in the device itself.
It's an encased environment.
And then it's going to encrypt it, protect it on the device.
But if it's stored on the device and not on some server somewhere,
it's not going to be accessible for you to use the same biometrics
from another interface.
In our case, it is possible it is possible and you can like use your computer
or use your mobile phone scan yourself and verify yourself because you're basically connecting to the
you know same server and conducting the biometric verification privately this way so this is the difference uh the only downside though uh that cvm brings is
again because we care about the security so much and because the biometric servers require
constant update constant i mean at least once half a year so we have to wipe everything clean and restart the biometric generation like that.
Which will change in the second version of CME.
So yes, it's something that we will fix in the future to make identities as persistent as possible.
Yeah, without relying on your external data or like your password,
like some people try to do because, well, their technology is not there yet.
To make persistent identity just of your private scan.
It's also just to make sure that the precision is there and the security is there and the accessibility is there, right?
Because we could actually do it earlier, maybe using some homomorphic encryption variants, maybe partially homomorphic variants.
but using pure encryption without an enclave,
like some sort of environment where you can run everything is,
well, if you're using partially homomorphic encryption,
then probably somewhere in the sequence,
there is a place where original biometric data
will be shown in plain text,
or the original encoder will be shown in plain text or the original encoder will be
shown in plain text which is even worse and if you use just homomorphic encryption
then it really drops the precision yeah and computations are very heavy precision drops
computations are very heavy expensive and it becomes much easier to just try and bypass the model itself.
So this is still like a place for development and growth,
not only for human node, but like the biometric industry as a whole.
And there's constant and ongoing research on how to deliver it.
But what would you say about the potential that uh enclosed civil resistant environment
would open up like for example i would say like the whole civil resistant internet right but at
least if some application out there you can name probably I don't know, any, how will
it change the properties of this environment and the interaction between the users?
For example, if Twitter got civil resistance, will it change anything
about the platform itself and how people utilize it?
I think it will change the platform greatly.
Yeah.
People would still be able to give their access to the Twitter Twitter to their AI agents, which they're doing now.
But of course, you would see less scam, which is getting banned and banned daily.
But you can never keep up with it, you know, because there are more and more scammers in our world.
I think this will be the the most interesting changing part in these socials what else can change the whole schematic of spending money directly to
amplify something well you could definitely utilize, you know, influencers and calls for
advertisements, but you will not be able to like hire a million accounts that
come in and generate activity for your account or posts to go.
Oh yeah.
The statistics would be reliable.
It would be more reliable.
Yes.
There will be less ways to boost your numbers
despite the fact that this is not person interested in it reading it but just your army reading it
it's like um almost the whole informational structure of society would change because of that because you know, like maybe things that should not be popular
from the natural perspective
get like
boosted, right, by civil
accounts. And then people
are kind of herded into it like shit.
Yeah, yeah, they have to watch it because this was
algorithms given. And then they think
oh, why is this popular? Maybe
this is crucial. Maybe
I can, oh, this is a very popular i don't know
anti-semitic post or islamophobic post oh this is an issue but it's not really an issue it's just
one million civil accounts promoting it is an issue you know and diverging your attention through
from things that might have more hype naturally you know and more value
and more value but just not that much money to pay to uh pakistani indian and russian or whatever
both farms to come and see bill whatever you want also it would probably change the vc perspective as well as well you know while doing research
um as a vc to invest into something or a trader to invest into something you know you can be
looking at oh this this thing is getting popular or it's getting traction i should invest into it
but in reality it's just girl hackers hackingackers hacking, you know? Yeah. And, you know, showing you, like, something that is not true.
It's a common thing, especially in a meme market, right?
When you just pay some Growhackers to pump socials on the coin that you do,
and then you just dump on all the holders inside because
they thought oh something had traction and they just didn't pay attention or they don't know
that something can be c-built very very easily.
I just hope that the ecosystem that we're building will be almost all civil resistance
and biometric gate, right?
We have projects that are deploying on us, Kodakon crawlers and Episteam, and they all
have biometric gating at this point.
At one of the points, yes, but not all the users will have to go through biometric gating at this point. At one of the points, yes, but not all the users will have to go through.
Not all the users will have to go through it, but I mean, to procure some value.
To protect incentives, basically.
Protect incentives and procure some additional value.
That would be, I think, very beneficial.
And it will kind of, I guess, bootstrap our symbol-resistant environment.
Yeah, so this is that.
And what other projects do you think will bring to humanotic system this birth of like civil
resistant web so to say?
Well, as you said, I'm waiting for some cool social projects.
Social Pi.
Like web 3 social projects.
Like what?
Reputation systems?
Well, reputation systems is different, but yeah, it's a very obvious part of it.
We already have a few cool reputation systems in crypto and well, they're trying to say
if the user is a power user, let's say, or he's a one-time farmer.
And yeah, we're slowly talking and getting integrated into those but we're usually getting
integrated into like reputational systems outside our own system right and i'm talking about you
know the whole reputation system that is built on the side of human node with the humanoid
invariance human principles and gating for civil resistance at the biometric label all the time
and gating for civil resistance at the biometric label all the time
i think uh if you guys are hearing this come and build it we'll find you
well we'll find finding yeah pretty much all the reputation systems that i've seen outside
they are not making biometrics mandatory that's what they're doing they're not yes it's just like
one form one of all the factors and factors all other factors can be simple if It's just like one form. One of the 10 factors.
10 factors.
All other factors can be sibiled.
If it's not like KYC, KYC can also be sibiled very easily actually.
Well, unless they have good biometrics inside or a person
checking your photo, comparing it to your passport.
Yes.
Yes.
Precisely.
Trust graphs don't work.
Nothing works.
Everything can be simulated easily.
It works in a certain percentage, but nowhere close to 90, 100%.
Nowhere close, yes.
Especially if there's a person on the inside of the system, then it's like easily...
He knows the rules in advance and place them so if you have a person
inside the human node you will not be able to do anything with our biometric cell our cto can only
wipe it that's it even him i cannot add anything there if you if you like kidnap me and my family that is useless
i'm telling you beforehand i cannot add civil accounts to human node no way that's the thing
and if you have a dev on site on a reputational system he can just put all checks green and that's it.
Get your million points in the reputational system and you can signal anything you want.
Yeah, you basically internally create one factor which you yourself accomplish, which has a lot of score.
And unless all of your software is open source, you can trick your own system you built in
a few clicks.
Beside building on the biometric gating for SIBO resistance and the updates for biometrics
that we're doing, our team is also involved in preparation for the development of Vortex.
And actually, we had already 12, I think, or 11 sessions just for R&D to prepare everything for the development itself,
working internally with our whole development team to start rolling out the system step by step.
Still on the stage to basically clean out all the edges
and the controversies that we had in the original model.
But we are getting there.
Yes, we're getting there.
And after we polish up the Biomapper,
I think it's going to be our major priority of finally
getting the egalitarian and democratic DAO working.
So as of now, we have 711 validators from which approximately 500 have shown will to partake in the human node DAO.
And we're very excited to start finally working on it because we think that it's like the most one of the most pretty
much crucial points for human node like evolution and development because it
basically finally brings the governance on the system and the power distributed
equally to all the human nodes involved. Being able for anybody to create a proposal,
vote on a proposal,
and participate in the development and the life of the systems directly.
Of course, for some gated time,
there is going to be a strong influence from Victor and I and the founding team. There's going to be a bootstrapping period where we're going to be a strong influence from Victor and I and the founding team.
Like there's going to be a bootstrapping period where we're going to be testing
things out, like where most of the proposals, well, are filtered by us.
Of course, that's bootstrapping period.
You know, you never know how fast it goes.
It's a bootstrapping period for a system without precedent.
There is no precedent like this because we are going to,
as mentioned in our white paper and initial plans,
hand the full authority from the Himanel core to this DAO,
meaning that the founders and the core team will not be making all the decisions
for the evolution of human node. you
constantly making proposals and benefiting in the same system the human core and distribute it across all the hundreds of people that are going to be simultaneously validators and equal owners of the network and simultaneously governors that are going to make proposals and make decisions in it and um like any other system right you'll be able to gain reputation inside
create parties or guilds you're going to be able to uh propose the creation of certain campaigns and even projects and have fundraising inside.
So it's a very like multi-layered, sophisticated system that we are embarking on to build.
None other network in this industry can do it.
network in this industry can do it.
And it's very easy to say why, because they don't run on proof of biometric
uniqueness, they run on something else that concentrates capital and power in
the hands of those who put more skin in the game, how they like to say it.
how they use how they like to say it I think it's pretty hard to for them to
get rid of the let's say security system which incentivizes to buy their
token because they're really used to it security system that why in ProWork as
well I know when ProWork of course not tokens but yeah most of the networks are
proof of stake right anyway yep the ones that are kind of doing innovation but not really doing it
since uh 2018 nothing changed right for them it's only the us and how like how legal, not legal, but how much authority an egalitarian
DAO based on proof stake network can have.
Yeah.
For example, I don't know.
Ethereum decides to, all right, I'm going to create a governing model where I'm not
taking into consideration all these nodes that are run and actually Lido Finance
controls like 40% but not take this into consideration I'm going to build a governance
model with one human one vote and put some civil resistance maybe KYC I don't know, at the gate. So how viable, how good would this governance be?
Well, there is a hybrid governance, which is launched by, let's say, Optimism, for example,
They, of course, have stakers who elect people in the Optimism Collective,
and then these elected people who go for KYC, who are civil resistant,
take on part of the responsibilities of the DAO.
Usually these things are created for a technical committee
or for things that are
better governed you know by people than just by money okay a case the
government says okay less rewards for proofs take validators yeah I'm not sure
how the voting goes there I think that the vote the the final vote is still up
to the stakeholders of course it's up to them because if they're changing anything in the system,
right, they are the ones who are actually updating the nodes or changing something.
So if they don't like the outcome of the governance that is done by,
okay, it's done by one human in one account, but they can still say,
okay, we don't want your changes.
So there's this
power detachment, the power detachment that I'm constantly
talking about improve work, improve state networks, that is
just unbeatable, because you either have to create like an
oligarchic census, right, where you only have the big like capital owners making all the decisions.
And it always seems very rather strange to me if that is the case, if that is the decentralization that we're striving for, that why are we even building blockchains in the first place?
I just I just found out for myself how crazy the
power detachment is in bitcoin let's say because you have three policies let's say the miners or
investors even like in the mining companies then you have the second part which is the mining pools
and you have developers and there is crazy detachment let's
say between miners themselves and developers because developers usually propose the things
they want and usually it's bitcoin core guys they're there are dramas almost every year
that they are destroying bitcoin or you know basically conquering it uh without even going through governance why because
if bitcoin core is supported by a few major mining pools that's it nobody else have any say in it
and it's like it's happening to the biggest of them. The biggest currency, right?
2.3 trillion dollar market is facing this.
And you'll think, oh, with size, with volume comes disintualization, right?
Actually, it's quite the opposite.
Yeah, yeah.
That's because the economies of scale are proof of work.
Of course, it's much better to mine it on a government
owned volcano yes than uh in your house that that is precisely paying electricity somewhere in
england you can you can explain about decentralization all you want but if the economy
behind what you're doing is a centralizing factor you're done so I don't really see
major Pro-State networks and Pro-Work networks converging to an egalitarian
democratic base anytime soon and maybe never what are we what was a hybrid like
you have individual nodes but they all have to stake the same amount because that is already post
popo yeah yeah like right hybrid gated by capital yeah that's a great idea that's a great idea
but it's um well like our well it's like our values and well again our values like our uh
our values are like our like a woke outlets like to say it's not inclusive
enough you're still dating you know the network at some level with your money
like what why do you need the money because you need to get slashed right
because you need to put some skin in the game and get slashed so that's why you're putting money inside but like you can get slashed if you're in a civil
resistant network you are using civil resistant services or maybe you have
accumulated reputation in governance or somewhere else landing protocols with
your biometric account yeah I think it's very painful if you get slashed on
the biometric level as well for sure yeah you're slashed with your future
rewards as well future rewards and your earlier rewards and all you the
reputation that you've added to this biometric account so well but can we argue that biometrics are also some kind of
accumulating factor of centralization yes if they're technologically not decentralized enough
the biometric protocol itself only in this case i suppose well you could argue that, oh, I know a lot of people and I can ask a lot of people to join something.
Yeah. And ask them to do something for me. But that's the thing, you know, that's the difference.
ProWorks have miners and hardware. ProState has money, but Pro proof has people, and people are what?
They're not a stable entity, right?
There's not something that you just order to do something or send somewhere.
It's a chaotic, natural thing that exists in the real world, and its behavior is not static.
It's quite dynamic.
Today I can say yes, tomorrow I will say no the
day after tomorrow maybe I told you yes but I will not do it or maybe I told you
no and I will do it so it's very unpredictable and like like creating
chaos of organization and the computational overhead for communication when you're working
with people right so even when you're working with miners and you're trying to build a properly
synchronized network right you you face computational overhead with the servers there you know that are
like static beings that you can control directly with code.
You even still get computational overhead there.
I imagine you're a person that somebody tells you to scan his face for five bucks, let's say, but then right in the interface of scanning the face, he sees,
Oh, I can do it myself for twice to three times more. Bye sock puppeter i don't need you anymore
there may like there are many reasons why uh if you're planning some malicious thing
um where you have to coordinate more than uh 10 people it becomes a struggling thing
it becomes a struggling thing.
And that's why I'm always saying
we get real decentralization
when there's a lot of human nodes.
A million human nodes is my personal goal
that one day we'll see across the globe
owning and running the network
in the same equal manner as everybody
and receiving the same fees
and with the same equal manner as everybody and receiving the same fees and with the same
ability to participate in governance. Not just because you have monitoring means to do so,
or you have access to free electricity that you can build your mining project around. No,
simply because you're a unique human and you have a unique face, right? Actually there was a very off top, a little bit off top
of things that I want to discuss with you Victor. Okay, so if we are talking about
the CMS tweet Thank you. Thank you. Hello, hello.
We're back here.
You should be hearing us now.
Hello, hello. Hello, we're back.
So, yeah.
Basically, we have 15 minutes left from the conversation today.
And we haven't had any relations yet.
Okay, you want to drop some bombs please be my guest all right everybody if you were listening to us during the previous few months we've been
telling you that we're working on improving let's say ux for people to onboard to our chain which
will greatly improve any application that is working in our chain. And of course the first application
it's going to influence the most in terms of adoption and usability is our Biomapper.
And actually if you go to Biomapper now you will already see that the first
implementation of the upgrade is made, but there will be even more upgrades.
Shortly speaking, you can now get HMD token that you need to pay for biomapping.
And this payment eventually goes to increase our validators, fee pot, let's say.
So you can actually get HMD token in three clicks from 50
plus chains this is what's already life and in the next version which might come
very close in terms of this bridging UX there will be just one click needed for
that and this is not only great great improvement for just a Biomapper, but all of our applications
basically are going to use this kind of widget in their apps so that you can get any token
you need directly inside an application without going to centralized exchanges, decentralized
exchanges, anywhere. Without going to bridges, you can basically use any app if you already
have some crypto tokens on your theory and arbitrary whatever chain there is
and interact directly so this is a great improvement now this is what pretty much
all the good apps have like hyperliquid started with the one click bridge from
arbitrary polymarket is almost hiding all the crypto stuff happening there,
but it's purely a crypto prediction market
where you use stable coins to make predictions.
And we will be in our ecosystem pretty much on the same level from now on.
It's actually the part of the solving the biometric UX UI friction, right?
By making sure that people can easily pay for the biometric revocation with the native currency.
And just will ease up how you onboard people and how you make them unique for the services and products that you're doing.
Right. So, yeah, I think it's a big step.
And we're going to have what is already released,
but we're going to have a big release pretty soon regarding that.
Yeah, pretty soon with more use cases, more integrations,
and more, of course, users onboard onboarding and not just onboarding but paying
users which basically drives our token economy in a very good way although like we've been uh
like out there with bot basher for quite some time and you can say that there are already a million people that have like somehow
tested out being civil resistant in one environment or the other yeah at least
being inside like the discord that is civil resistance or some part of
civil yeah but I would argue that civil resistance of Biomapper which is on-chain
integration with our private biometrics, is much stronger
than civil resistance of Discord accounts.
Yes.
It's native, it's direct.
Well, it bears some financial risk of trying to sock puppet things.
Yes.
Why?
Because in order to verify another human, if he's not your friend or family that you can meet in real life
means sending him your private key from the address that you're gonna use after
your Biomap in different financial reputation services we're integrated
with. So imagine trying to sell puppet somebody like that and that he steals the
money that you try to farm or something right
yeah it's a quite a different experience and well another thing is that what
bachelor was of is a free service right you can go and check it out right now
but the buy me a pro is not you have to pay and well and potential soft
factors even will have to you taking into consideration the fees for that.
So like if you're getting a lot of people
verified for something you're already going to a good sum.
Yeah, you're spending a lot of money and then they're taking the money you have and
your sock puppeting career didn't last long in that case.
But on the other hand, right, each transaction that goes even from the native chain kind of buys HMND.
But on the other hand, right?
Yeah, sure.
Yes.
So it makes the health of the protocol much more stable, positive, and it also brings the fees to our validators directly.
also brings the fees to our validators directly. So the more Biomapped users there are, the more
applications there are that are using Biomapper for verification, the more fees will be given to
the validators that are running HumanNode and at some point we'll be able to enlarge the population
of our validators again. I believe it's going to happen pretty soon to go yes because in our case right decentralization is directly tied to the
amount of fees that go through the system and saturation and the more fees
go through the systems the more a baseline grant we can procure for our
and bonuses that we can procure for our validators the more we validators we can procure for our and bonuses that we can procure for our validators the more we
validators we can onboard right so please if you are interesting in exploring similar resistance
and building projects without bots for the new generations of apps be our guests come to our
network there's an incubation program running,
you can always apply, we'll
help you, we'll fund you, we'll find you
investors, we'll
push you through socials,
whatever you need.
Just the idea has to be
a genuine one.
Yeah, genuine one and
ready for
many people to use it.
Looking only for consuming tracing.
Now we have like eight minutes left from our conversation here, so if you guys have any questions,
we'll be more than happy to answer them.
Yes, so please write them down in the chat or raise your hand if you want to.
Go on stage. Go on stage, maybe, I don't know.
But for now, we are preparing for the conference in Bucharest.
We know that we have a robust community in Romania and a lot of validators from there as well.
community in Romania and a lot of validators from there as well.
And it looks like our ecosystem is pretty much lined up for releases almost at the same time.
Yes. And also one of the projects, the Catacomb Crawlers,
is releasing on Humanode is going to be there as well.
And instead of just having a lot of boring lectures and useless panels,
we're going to play a simulation game like we did last time.
We're going to have some heated debates, of course,
on some interesting theme.
So, yeah, be our guests and join us there,
either in real life or online.
So, without further ado,
if basically there are no questions, there are no questions that I think it's a wrap for today.
So, no questions?
Okay, I think there's no questions.
So thank you very much everybody for joining our Founders Talk today.
So, thank you very much everybody for joining our Founders Talk today.
I hope you found it insightful, at least a little bit.
And we'll see you guys next time when we see you.
Bye-bye.
