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π¨ FRANCE ON FIRE: French Immigration Problem? | The Debate
Recorded: July 1, 2023 Duration: 2:52:23Space Recording
Short Summary
The conversation primarily revolves around the social and economic issues in France, focusing on immigration, cultural integration, and the recent riots. The discussion highlights the complexities of immigration policies, the socio-economic challenges faced by immigrants, and the cultural tensions within French society. It also touches on the broader implications of inequality and how it might lead to unrest in other countries.
Full Transcription
All right, let me start sending out the invites.
Nick, can you hear me?
I can hear you just fine.
Oh, man, if you can actually...
Yeah, what is it, bro?
Let's not do small talk yet.
Can you just help me invite the names in the backstage group?
Prove me wrong is...
It seems to be shadow banned.
So if you could invite, prove me wrong, that would be great.
Okay.
Is Sully up?
I've sent him an invite.
Yeah, bro, I'm up.
Hey, man, how's...
You know, by the way, on my account, I can't see anything.
So I can't see any tweet or...
any notification is yours working fine i can't answer that question because i don't want to get
shadow band again is yours working fine or no yeah mine's working fine it's just uh the reach is horrendous
no man that's that's that's that's the reach i've tried force closing it logged in and out
and tried on different devices it seems that some accounts are not working fine and others are
so we'll see i'm sending the last invite
Mark.
I sent one to, well, I tried.
Did me wrong 411?
No, I cannot send an...
I've sent...
I told you these issues.
I've sent out all the invites.
I've invited everyone.
Toby's here.
Toby, how are you?
I'm good, how are you?
Good, good.
You're in Italy?
No, Ireland, Ireland.
Sorry, sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.
My bad, I've got the night thing on my phone.
So I can't see the colours.
Sully, don't stop fucking messing around.
All right, so let me...
Hold on, Suli, have you been to Ireland?
Of course I've been to Ireland.
Fraser, I've sent you your Fraser's up as well.
How are you, Fraser?
I'm good, thank you.
How are you?
Good, man, good.
And you're based in...
Based in Paris.
Paris?
Yeah, it's one in here.
I've just got a four hours of breaking news.
I'm sorry if I'm a bit slow.
Not at all, not at all.
It's a pleasure to have you, man.
And I haven't been in Paris in a long time.
EnchantΓ©.
And do you live...
Are you born in France?
Because you seem to be pretty fluid in your English?
Yes.
No, I'm born in the UK, but I've lived here for, well, I've been here back and forth, but this time I've been here for five years, but it's about eight in total.
Cool. And how are the streets, how are the streets in Paris today?
To be honest, it's not been, today's a lot quieter than the previous days.
There's a significant police presence on the Chonseilier at the moment.
Basically, the police tried to get ahead of any protesters and basically locked down,
obviously, all those expensive shops on that area.
And I've just basically tried to deter any process really from happening in the city centre today.
Okay, that's good. I'm glad things are improving. I remember the last time we were covering a
protest or a riot, Nick, that was before Sully came into the picture, Nick, you were co-hosting
with me. Remember when you, I think you went there or you had someone, you didn't go there, but he had
someone on the grounds there. And then Rose Alerts was also, I think he was there or was covering
it closely. Do you remember those days?
I do remember those days, and I was desperately trying to convince you to send me down there, but, you know, you were tired of me going into situations that would possibly get you, you know, some sort of litigation.
Yeah.
That was prior to the East Palestine...
East Palestine fiasco, where you lit up the story around the world.
But then you remember how it started easing up?
And the weather played a key role.
I think when it started getting cold, it was either raining or it got cold.
And then immediately the number is kind of started.
Everyone expected the next day to things to blow up, but it ended up to be pretty dead.
Do you remember that?
Yeah.
Right. Yeah, no, I absolutely do remember that. It kind of plays a...
It tells you a lot when people are protesting something. It turns into a riot. They're still called demonstrators, but they decide it's not important enough to demonstrate once it gets a little cold outside.
So I don't know... I don't remember exactly where those protests were, but they were somewhere in the United States that time they were.
Or was it in...
it was in Brazil.
No, that was,
there's different men.
I can't remember,
you can't believe
you forgot.
The ones were talking
about where in the US,
I thought you didn't know
everything about it
is related to race.
And people were comparing it
to the one,
the,
The last one that led a few years ago that led to crazy riots.
Memphis.
Yes, yes, exactly, exactly.
We also did cover, but...
Sorry, there's so many riots.
Exactly, like, that's, I want to make that comparison between France and the US.
I think France's been pretty, you know, hasn't had the best few years.
But I want to compare the numbers, especially shootings at traffic stops.
But we'll do that a bit later.
And yeah, good to, you know, today's my first space since the Russia one.
And if anyone's wondering why, just as soon as the Russia space finished,
I started packing my bags and went to film a TV show right after.
And then I had interviews after that.
So I've been on flights nonstop.
But I'm back home now.
I came back home about four or five hours ago.
So it's back to business, business as usual.
And I apologize for everyone stuck with Suleiman for the last few days.
I've heard all your complaints, everyone.
So I just, I apologize in advance.
I tried my best, but he was the best we had.
He was plan B, and then Nick was plan C.
So, uh...
All right.
So what, Nick was right?
No, plan.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, I forgot.
No, shit.
Nick was plan A, bro, and then your plan B.
All right, so let's kick it off.
Fraser, you're on the streets in Paris.
We'd love to get a sit rep situation report on how things are right now.
You said it's a bit calmer.
But also, if you don't mind...
Fraser, just give us a brief overview,
before we get into the discussion on why, et cetera,
just a brief overview of the facts,
because there's facts and there's the shit
that you see random people tweeting to get engagement,
like one person tweeting that there's a sniper on a building,
another one just posting gruesome videos that weren't verified,
that made it seem like it's genuinely like a war zone.
A sniper on a building is not something I'd expect to see in Paris or in France.
And obviously that was debunked as just being a BB gun, which barely causes harm.
So I'd love to get a quick update, Fraser, on what we know so far and how we got here.
There's been a lot of misinformation certainly circulated on Twitter over the past couple of days, that's for sure.
So I want to say hi to Marco and who's also, I see a speaker here.
He's one of my colleagues at Fras Money for also. Hi, hi Mark.
Um, so we, the story effectively broke early Tuesday morning. Um, that is when the actual, uh,
stop and shooting of Nail happened. Um, things quickly escalated by that evening. The footage had been
seen, had been doing the rounds on social media. Uh, and the first, um, the first protest started
effectively on Tuesday, on Tuesday evening and, um,
and gradually got more and more violence as the days went on.
I think the biggest thing that's been happening over the last few days
is this started as a protest against Nail's death,
but it's ballooned into something much bigger since then,
not just about race in France, but also about the police system in general
and how the police in France react and are used by the governments.
to crush protests
and they have much more of a
much more of a policy of being there to, you know, quell uprisings as opposed to trying to build
relationships with communities. So it's kind of ballooned over the last few days.
But let's go back to the beginning, like what was the event that triggered it, the shooting
of the 13 year old boy who was driving, you know, 17, sorry, 17 year old boy who was driving
at a traffic stop. So just give us the details on what the video shows. I've seen the video
and then what tree, like just the step-by-step process on how,
because there's a lot of shootings.
Why did this one trigger that response that kind of became what it is now?
I think what shocked most people was, first of all,
the age of the boy that was shot at the traffic stop.
Also, he was from a North African descent,
so that certainly has propelled things as well.
Yeah.
Moreover, I would say it was the shocking video that really, you know, grabbed people's attention.
When it came out that the shooting had happened, we heard the police's version of events,
but quite often, you know, that stands at odds with what we see on social media,
and that seemed to be the case.
You could audibly hear police officers shouting at the people inside the car.
And that today itself has also been...
one of the other people who was inside the car put their testimony also online today saying giving their version of events as well.
So the actual facts of the case of what happened in the actual moments are still not fully clear.
But we have, but I think we have some clear facts.
I know there's an investigation done, not a full-on investigation.
Right.
But they've looked at the facts that we have,
and now there's an investigation for homicide that is launched
based on the facts that we have.
So I'm guessing there's enough facts to launch such an investigation.
It's like we do have that...
Voluntary homicide.
Mansloor would be the British description of it, I think.
The States, I think it's the same as well.
Mansloat are not...
Oh, that's right, you're right.
My bad.
My bad.
Yes, sorry.
No, no.
It's just a common error.
Don't worry.
Yeah, so...
Then you said that we don't have all the facts.
So if you could elaborate on that.
Okay.
Well, it's more just, I think a lot of people believe that the police's version of events aren't the same as what has been coming out in what was seen on social media, but also what was said today by the other people inside the car.
There were certain things the police said that the engine had been stopped and then turned the engine back on, which was at that point that the actual shooting happened.
But that is, like I said, being contested.
And one last thing I want to say, I just want to mention one last thing I'll give you the mic, that Fraser in France, and please correct me from wrong, but there's a law that was passed in 2017 that essentially gives permission for police officers to shoot a driver of a car or shoot at a car if the car is trying to evade or escape from a traffic stop.
Am I right with saying this?
If they believe that there is a threat to public safety, yeah.
I'm terrified of this.
Can I clarify in this one? Is that okay?
To Mark Owen speaking here.
Please do. Yes. Go ahead.
It was changed in 2016-2017.
There was an incident in the South Paris suburb where a police car was surrounded and set on fire.
The police officers were badly injured.
As a result of that, it was decided that, or passed, the law was passed by...
It was Kaznov, who was interior minister at the time,
that the Kaznov law was passed and would just give police greater opportunity
to use the firearms at their own discretion
if there was a case of life being at risk, their own or someone else's.
That's where we are today.
The problem is that it's too vague and there's too much leeway, if you like,
to give officers a chance to turn up and have a gun.
For instance, I was stopped by a year ago,
driving around a very small, sleepy town where I live outside Paris.
And police officers apparently, they stopped me fundamentally because I hadn't indicated.
But when they stopped me, they both had their hands on their guns.
Why? Why does that happen?
Why are they armed in the first place?
It's the question that raises for me as a Brit.
In the US, of course, you'll have a different perspective on growing up with guns and all that kind of stuff.
But I think that's...
But, Mark, isn't that one of the issues that's going on in France?
That seems to be a lot of, especially with, you know, more French nationalist-type people
that are concerned about the fact that the police are not armed and that they can't quell these sort of riots that are going on right now.
They are armed.
Well, sure. I mean, but, you know, you walk around. The last time I was in Paris, maybe things have changed over the past few years, but the police were not armed at that time.
They were armed in 1990. For sure. But when I was a student, and they pulled me over and said, where are your papers, thrift for me? And they had guns then. So they've always had this armed thing going on. I can't give you a date on when, you know, they were allowed to carry pistols. But they've always had, they've always had weaponry.
And so in terms of the damage that's being caused, just to get a better understanding,
because there's so much videos and photos out there.
I just don't know what's true and what's not.
So I know there's explosions.
I want to know what's causing these explosions.
I know there's fires and buildings.
I know there hasn't been, has there been any shootings or much shootings?
I know there's been a lot of looting.
What are some of the worst things that we've seen in the riots or protests in the last few days?
Mark, you can take that one or Fraser or anyone else.
Okay, well, I'll start.
Yeah, go ahead, Mark, and then we'll go to Alexis Schrad after.
Go ahead, Mark.
I was in Dantere on Wednesday night all night until around about 2 in the morning.
What I saw was lots of cars being burnt, vans being burned to the streets,
police then charging at the...
I'll call them rioters.
It's probably not the correct term, is it?
Because they're not actually rioting.
They're just causing sort of mayhem.
And then, of course, there was the issue of the rioters firing fireworks at the police.
Now, we're not talking about sort of sparklers and Roman candles.
We're talking proper sort of big exhibition-style fireworks, which...
In France, you need to have a license to get access to those, I think.
You need to have special permission from the state.
But if you can get them online from somewhere outside France,
that's you get access to that sort of stuff.
So that's what we were seeing on Wednesday night.
Thursday I was back in the studio.
Last night I was in, sorry, yesterday I was in Nantes all day.
We didn't see much during the daytime because it tends to happen when night falls.
So what we were seeing was people sort of setting fire to stuff.
On Thursday night, there was a really disturbing event when a bank was set on fire, a bank right on the border between Nantir and the business district, La Defence.
And that's really ironic, isn't it?
You've got the business district in this poor area, sort of side by side.
Those have got lots and those have got quite less.
But when they set fire to this bank...
you know, above the bank was one, two, three, four stories of apartments where families were living.
You know, so they had to get out quick, fearing for their lives.
So things are getting out of the hand. I think that's an understatement, isn't it?
We've seen across the country a sort of contagion of these events happening.
Some people are taking advantage to go looting and helping themselves to design a gear that they can get hold of it.
Others are attacking symbols of capitalism, if you like.
There was an incident in which town I'm not sure.
Gunshot was raided.
There were some shootings happening then.
So that's kind of like a sort of an upsum.
Okay, and Alexis, I want to go to you, like...
based on the description that we're seeing on social media,
in terms of the reports of shootings,
how many deaths have we seen so far?
It just doesn't, you know,
I'm just trying to understand how bad the situation is
without having to go to France and see it myself.
Sure. There's been officially two deaths. One was a young kid from a 19 year old that fall from a shop roof. And the other one was in a coma and died because of the ones from a police shot, I think.
and there was also three police officers yesterday that was wounded by gunfire and one today as well.
It seems not a lot compared to the image we've seen and the number of people in the streets and the violence of the images,
but I'm not sure we have the full picture here. There's been also reports,
of some injuries because of the fireworks
and maybe some of the young kids with the fireworks
exploded their hands or feet
or there are some reports of incidents
like these ones but
But what is very blurry and clear in France right now is the number of injuries wanted of death really in what is happening.
Because if you see the...
really the intensity of the fights because it's fights between the police and the routers
it's quite fierce compared to 2005 and the rest and it's very interesting.
How many injuries do we have?
Well, a policeman, a number of police officers being injured is around 500, I think.
Oh, wow. Okay, these are big numbers.
660.
Yes, yes.
660s, thank you.
No problem.
But we don't have the numbers of the route.
Okay, I'll tell you, I'll tell you why.
How are they being injured, though?
What is going on?
How are these police officers being injured?
Are they being, you know, just blatantly attacked?
Are they being hit with projectiles?
Well, projectiles, fireworks.
People being hit with stones.
stones and gunshots as well. I told you there was four officers being injured by gunshot
that I know of. So that's that's about the number so far.
Alexis, who are these people that are they demonstrators or are they rioters?
Because you see a lot of mainstream media outlets that are saying that they're demonstrators.
Or are they just total anarchy? That's
That's one of the questions we're getting a lot.
It's a mix.
There was a march in the memory of Nahel,
the young kid that was killed by the cops that started the old mayhem.
And the march was a demonstration and it ended bad.
There was also some gathering in all the cities of France
where it was supposed to be demonstration.
But what you have during the nights, and even during the day, actually,
is also people coming just for looting, rioting, robbing banks, robbing shop, setting fire to schools, to townholes, to...
So it's a mix of people actually demonstrating and people just being there to steal and to destroy.
It's very difficult to know where we stand right now.
Especially because the government decided to have a blackout on social media in France right now.
So it's very difficult to get any news or any picture of what's going on.
Can you clarify that?
What about you're saying that there's a blackout for social media in France?
Yeah, the first reaction of Emmanuel Macron, the French president and the Minister of Justice and Minister of Interior, Gerald Darmana and Eric DuPon Moretti, was to put a strong pressure on social media, TikTok, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, all social media saying that you...
you have to cancel or at least try to black out any picture, any video of violence.
And the day, like the first two days of riots, we had a lot of picture, a lot of videos coming
out of Snapchat and TikTok mainly. And today, yesterday, it started to be more difficult.
And today it's...
It's really impossible to get any images.
So the government is working with social media to make sure that we don't get pictures of the riots going on.
Alexis, how many people have been arrested in total?
I believe at 1,000 people are over the night and then once in a...
Yeah, I think we're over 2,000 right now.
And the Department of Justice said that the writers being arrested will get instant justice, instant judgment,
and be transferred immediately when possible.
But once again, the figures are...
Let me give you some numbers. Hold on.
So I'll give you back to Mike.
Let me give you some numbers.
Just I'm comparing to other U.S. rights that we've had.
So Black Lives Matter protests are probably the protest, whatever.
Well, probably the biggest here.
I'm looking at the five biggest, the biggest protest, the five biggest over the past five years.
Now, how many arrests did you say there is just very quickly, Alexis?
Over 2000.
2000.
Okay.
And then how many deaths we had three, I think it was?
and then two
two so far
and then
well through with now
okay
and then
in terms of injuries
we don't know
so let me give you some numbers
injuries
so first we'll go the first one
number of arrests
black lives matter
is much bigger
is that 10,600 plus
but then if you look at all the others
they're less
we're talking about the
US 2016 only 400
2015 so 2016 is Milwaukee
2015 Baltimore 2,500
2014 Ferguson
1,200
Flatbush riots
100 in 2013
and then
And then if you go through those same protests, injuries,
excluding Black Lives Matter, I'll give you that one last.
300, 250, 150, and 20.
Remember, the US has five times the population of France.
Approximately, I think I could have, be wrong there.
And then in terms of deaths, four deaths, six, three, and one.
So that means France has already almost
at the same number of deaths of the Ferguson, one more,
and it'll be there, and hopefully we don't get there, of course.
And then in terms of injuries, I think we're already above all of them.
And in terms of arrests, we're above all of them.
So the only one that it's worse in the US over the last five years,
based on the information I have is the Black Lives Matter protests,
where there's been 10,600 arrests, there's been 14,000 injuries, and 19 deaths.
So it's just some context for you, Suleim, and I'll give you back to Mike.
Okay.
Yeah, thanks for that.
So, I mean, based on what Mario is saying, essentially, this is a large riot.
Now, Alexis, my question to you is, very recently you had riots and it was about the pension age.
So how much is, are these riots linked to France, the previous riots about the pension age, first question.
And the second question is, why are we having such consistent riots in France?
Yeah.
Okay, first question. I wouldn't say that these are linked directly to the pension reform riots.
There are more in the continuation of the Yellow Vest. I don't know if you remember in 2018.
We had the Yellow Vest movement where a lot of French people were in Chances in the streets fighting for basically saying the...
the money they have at the end of the month
and the fact that quality of life in France was degrading.
And the answer of Emmanuel Macron since then has been
violence and denigation.
And I think what is happening now with the suburbs
is that it's a new kind of population.
And I'll let you carry on, so I'm not interesting.
So when you say his reaction was violence,
what do you mean by that?
Because he's the president.
So what was this?
If you can give some examples.
Sure. If you look at the yellow vest, the number of injuries were well about what you just said about the riots.
And they were mostly peaceful people protesting. And we had people losing their eyes.
Just for our views, because we do have a lot of American views.
What do you mean by yellow vest, because some people may not know?
Okay, Yellowvest was a movement back in 2018, initiated because the government wanted to tax
cars, carbon tax on cars, and it was basically over the top for many people in France that
were already paying a lot of taxes. Maybe you know that France is well-taxed country,
and they say that it was too much and they were not paid enough for their job and there was
already a lot of discontentment in France because of the way people were treated, the middle class, basically.
And the answer of Emmanuel Macron was police forces, and there were a lot of shooting with plastic balls, basically, LBD.
Please say plastic. Hold on, did you say plastic balls?
Yeah, I don't know how you say that.
You know, when you're non-lethal weapons.
I don't know what's the name.
You guys are very creative with your weapons.
Plastic bowls.
Jesus.
Well, you know, it's non-lethal weapons that are used.
You know, they're basically, you shoot big balls of plastic.
But it's very dangerous because people lost their eyes.
There were some brain injuries.
Very violent.
And since then, there's been a lot of violence in the country because
Macron wants to reform.
He wants to do a lot of things and...
against the overall population.
And the pension reform was exactly in the same context, saying that he wanted to reform.
There was no way that this shouldn't happen.
And 70%, if you look at different numbers, but overall 70, between 70 and 80% of the population,
were against this reform.
People went in the street. There was the unions. It was very well organized, but even with the unions, the organization, the answer was against police violence. We had a picture of policemen trying to basically kill the protesters and protesters as well.
And now what is happening in France with the suburb, suburban riots,
is that a new population is coming in the streets.
And this population basically was not concerned or not so much concern about politics.
But they are very volatile and it's very dangerous for the power
because they don't care about what a minister would say,
what the union would say, what the political party would say.
And now it's maybe...
a new population joining into the overall
mayhem or discontent that we have in France so far.
And it's been years and years.
Emmanuel Macron could have seen this coming, to be honest,
but he decided to push and see how far he could get.
And the death of the young Nile was unexpected.
And what happened after that was even more unexpected,
even by the French intelligence services.
Nick?
I wouldn't encourage audience questions real quick because we do have several members of the French media up here and so they know what's going on on the ground and you know there's nobody more capable to answer your questions.
You've seen the videos.
You've seen, I mean,
I mean, all the violence going on in the streets.
We want your questions.
Bottom right hand corner will be going through them very shortly.
Benjamin, welcome back up to the stage.
What I want to ask you is who are the ones that are rioting?
Does this have anything to do with France's immigration problem?
Is it a cultural clash?
What is going on here?
Uh, well, uh, hello Nick, Mario Suleiman, uh, Alexis,
Bonjour, how's it vaugh, monsieur? Uh, so the answer is I'm not sure.
I mean, I don't necessarily think it's a cultural, if I'm going to be very blunt, right?
I mean, simply because they are predominantly North African and happened to be of the Islamic fate,
I actually don't think that that's a, uh,
a huge factor in this, but I, I'm not French. And to be perfectly frank with you, I'm not
that up to speed. I mean, I've seen the videos, right, the latest reporting and so forth.
I think personally, it's a combination of things, right? You have a
who has some issues with his policies regarding retirement.
I mean, and the reporting is pretty damning, right?
So I don't necessarily think it's a cultural thing.
I mean, you can compare it to the Black Lives Matter, right?
They weren't Muslim, they weren't Islamic, right?
It's just, I believe in any society, when a certain group of people feels,
I don't know if you want to call it oppressed, but maybe not heard, this is bound to happen, right?
So I think just the time being based on what I know, that's all I can really comment on.
But thank you for the invitation to speak.
Sure, absolutely. Anna, we'll bring you in here.
Sorry. There's a ton of background noise. I mean, I'll bring you in here in just a few minutes.
But Mark, I saw you unmute and you are a member of the French media. Can you answer that question? Who are these people? Who's rioting on the streets?
It is a good question. Fundamentally, it seems to be a very...
disenfranchised group of people.
But it ranges.
You know,
there are some people
who get involved
just for the sake
of getting involved.
They see an opportunity.
That's a very cynical attitude,
I know,
but I think there is an element
of that about what's happening.
There are a lot of people
who feel they have...
no future, there's no investment,
there's no real educational opportunity,
they're looking for a way out,
they basically feel that there's a them and us situation
within the country,
and you can sort of have all that underpin.
Well, who's the them versus us, though?
Who are we talking about?
I was just getting that.
I was just getting that.
The element of that is that it's all underpinned by a sense,
which goes back, I think, to the whole crux of the matter
is how...
France hasn't dealt with its legacy of colonialism.
You know, sort of non-taire, the place in question where everything kicked off, everything began.
If you go back to say the 1960s, there was a shanty town there.
The equivalent of Richard would find in, I think, probably some were like the township of Soweto was somewhere like that,
which was inhabited by people who once upon a time have been part of the French Empire in places like Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and they were just basically herded into these places.
France was basically putting people that it really didn't want to welcome into the country,
but then kind of felt it had no right to refuse them either,
into places that where they couldn't really integrate.
And so that's created of them and us scenario,
which is basically persisted from generation on to generation.
So you'll find second generation, North African descent people
who will be saying that they feel more attached to the original home country than to France.
it becomes then a question of how do you make your money,
how'd you get ahead, how'd you get a break?
And many people turn to criminality along those lines, I suppose.
Now, you can say that's a similar story.
Go ahead, go on.
Is that a problem though? Because they did immigrate to France, right?
You know, four new opportunities and now you're saying they have to possibly turn to crime to be able to make ends meet.
Is that what I just heard?
I think what I was saying was that the opportunities haven't been there for them.
And they feel they've been increasingly disenfranchised.
And that's led to the situation.
By the way, I don't know if it's a bigger problem, by the way.
One question I have for you, and maybe let me see what Suleiman thinks.
One explanation I'm thinking of, and I've been thinking about this a lot.
Ray Dalio talks about it a lot, is that we're seeing a movement towards populism around the world,
and that's led by inequality.
I know it sounds less exciting than other reasons people are giving it,
but we're seeing the growth of riots around the world,
and by the way, France doesn't look like it's in the top 20.
I'm trying to see the source of the numbers in terms of the growth in riots.
But if you look at the growth in riots, it's pretty concerning.
Like it's a bigger problem than just France having riots because of one issue or issue of race.
We saw a growth of 18% in 2012, 21% in 2013, 22% in 2014, 25% in 2015.
And it continues going up.
And over the past since 2011, it's a 282% growth in riots around the world.
So my concern is that this is part of a bigger movement where inequality could lead to significant
instability around the world and it goes beyond from.
Can I pick up on that one for you?
Because I think you said populism is not part of it.
I think populism is the crux of the matter because that is what's sowing the kind of
confrontation that we're seeing.
If you look at say what Bolsonaro is done in Brazil, for instance, you know, putting people
against each other with that kind of polemical attitude.
You know, you see it with Trump.
You're seeing it to a large extent in the UK after the whole Brexit effect.
You're seeing it across France.
You're seeing it across many places in Europe too.
Yeah, I think it's the crux of the matter.
This will be in my last statement because I have to go to bed because I've got an early start on the beat tomorrow.
So thank you for inviting me to take part.
Interesting discussion.
And good luck to you all.
I...
I can also stress out the age of the writers in France.
It's about a 70-year-old.
So they're the age of Nahel, basically.
They are very young from 11 to 20, 25 and more.
But there are kids.
Alex, I want to look at it.
Could we see this spread to other countries around France?
Is there concerns in countries neighboring France where this issue spreads?
Yes.
Belgium, there has been some routes yesterday in Belgium, in Brussels.
So countries are looking at what's happening in France, of course.
For what reason, though?
Why are we seeing it's a neighboring country?
I don't know.
Maybe because Brussels is the home of the European Commission.
And there is also some resentment about European policies in France and other countries.
And also that it's a francophone country.
Yeah.
I don't have really the answer to that.
The fact that there is also a lot of French people being there
or North African people being in Belgium as well.
That could be the answer to this.
So just to answer your question, Mario,
What you have is a scenario where throughout history it's always been the same and it's going to be the same now and it'll also be the same in the future.
Whenever this financial difficulty in society, inevitably what happens is there be a focused attack.
on minorities or be a focused attack on people based on race.
And that be it's more,
it's more than just race, man.
Race plays it as a part in it.
And obviously it's an important part and one that should be addressed.
And dismissing that, I think, is a bit foolish.
And if anyone disagrees, please do jump in.
But I'm just saying it's a lot deeper than this.
It's a problem that's a lot more significant.
Well, I don't know if it is because when you look at France as an example,
You have this issue where you have a large minority population in France
who do not feel like they are respected.
You look at a number of issues in France
where people feel like they're being targeted.
You look at France and there's essentially laws being put in place
to target specific communities.
And so when you're seeing people or when these people are seeing themselves
as being targeted in 2023...
and not having any recourse.
And then what happens is it always needs some kind of catalyst.
Now, I don't agree with the protests.
I think what's happening is horrendous.
Oh, we agree.
We agree in protests in general, but not when it becomes violent.
But continue.
Exactly, exactly.
I just wanted to clarify that because.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, you don't want to be canceled, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, continue, though.
But let me, since you're trying to hedge yourself, let me tell you this.
France is not even an...
No, no, I'm not hedging myself.
I'm going to get to the point.
So the issue is quite simple.
When you've got a scenario where this populace is being abused, where there's a targeted
attack against this populace, and then you have a scenario where a 17-year-old boy was
assassinated, essentially.
Could the police go up to the car and just shoot him.
of course you're gonna get some kind of reaction
and this is the reaction you're getting.
Okay, so the first question, okay, okay,
so it sounds like you just said,
rallying and cry that sounds really cool,
but you didn't answer my question.
What I said is it's a deeper problem than just race
and that's why the whole movement of populism
because of inequality.
Inequalities is very, if you look at revolutions
throughout history, a lot of them were caused by inequality.
When the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,
That's a very serious problem.
And we are seeing that again now.
If you look at the metrics, and again, Ray Dalio is very vocal about it.
He's very concerned about it.
We are seeing this.
It's not getting any better.
And then if you look, I look at two sources so far.
In the top 30 countries, I've had the most protests, the growth in riots in the last 10 years.
France is not even in the top 30.
I expected it to be up there.
You know, you got obviously a lot of poorer countries way ahead
and I'll probably look at the top 50,
but obviously the US is way ahead.
You've got India is way ahead,
but again, it's per capita, it's poorer than France.
I'll try to get the list in Europe is generally doing
pretty well when it comes to protest.
Now, I'm not saying there's no systemic racism in France.
I'm not saying there is or there isn't.
I'm not educated enough to answer that.
Based on what I've read so far,
it definitely seems like there is.
Let me give you an example.
An example is anecdotal.
I'd like numbers.
No, I can show you laws as a poster and numbers.
Better, no, laws is good.
Laws, exactly.
It's not anecdotal.
Go ahead.
Yeah, so as an example,
in Western liberal society,
they talk about freedom of speech,
freedom of expression.
They want women to basically act in a certain manner,
you know,
remove as much clothing as possible
if you feel you want to do so.
And yet then you have somebody where a simple...
headscarf is banned.
So again, where is the right of this woman
to wear what she pleases?
So this is just minor example
of the targeted attack.
No, wait.
I have to jump in because we have this law in France about laicite, which is very tricky because I think we're the only country with Canada to have that kind of law about religious freedom and faith.
And the fact is that it's very complicated to get this.
and to get this straight.
But the idea is that there shouldn't be proselytism in the public sphere,
and especially in administration, schools and things like that.
And that's been since the law is back in...
1901. It doesn't change since then. And there's been a lot of debate about hijab and stuff like
that. It's slowly moving. But I think it's a law that is trying to make sure everyone can have
its own face and be respected.
A lot of locals and issues about that.
I do want to get other false on this.
Does anyone disagree that populism is a bigger?
Hold on, Alex.
It's wrong.
So you just dropped in and out, Alexis.
And by the way, anyone's speaker, just unmute when you speak and then mute again,
just because some of you have feedback.
But the question that I have is,
Do you think that the world is facing a very serious risk due to the inequality?
You know, again, you should definitely read up on it.
Ray Dalio has a lot of peace, but I'm sure there's others.
Or the problem is racism and we're kind of taking it, blowing it out of proportion.
Like my concern, it's a very valid concern, not fearmongering, and that's why I've asked a question.
My concern is that it does spread to other countries.
And it could start because of racism, but then...
The core reason is not really racism.
It's that is a level of inequality
that a lot of the Western world is facing.
Now, I don't think this one will spread.
I don't think the Paris world,
but I think eventually there'll be a riot in a country
where people have just had enough
for the inequality that exists
and it's not getting better,
and that starts to spread to other countries
and becomes a global riot,
a global movement against the system
that just isn't working as it should.
But does anyone disagree?
Does anyone think I'm blowing it out of proportion?
Well, in Ireland, we had similar riots happen to a far smaller scale.
We had immigrants attacked somebody in a shop, and then he lunged at a woman with a knife, and then he was shot by the police.
And then rats happened in Ireland.
Irish people were locked into a shop and they were like shouting, you know, kill Whitey and stuff.
We used were talking earlier about colonialism and systemic racism.
Maryland doesn't have any of that.
We didn't colonise anybody.
We were colonised as a people.
And this stuff is happening in our country as well.
And a lot of it does come from mass immigration and open borders in Ireland anyway.
For us...
We are seeing people coming from across the world
that are being stuffed into hotels, 350 of them,
and rats breaking out in the hotels with these people.
So this does come down to it in Ireland anyway.
My question there, and again,
it's going to be less opinionated and more questions
because I just haven't looked at the statistics
to know how big of an impact,
open borders and immigration has on this.
So if you look at the statistics,
like France comes in pretty...
pretty low, like if you, let me, okay,
France is number 39 in terms of growth
and number of riots.
If you look at others, other countries
that are facing this, Argentina, Ghana,
Azerbaijan, Moldova, Russia, Jordan.
These are not countries with open borders.
Russia doesn't have open borders,
correct me if I'm wrong anyone.
Indonesia, Indonesia doesn't have Turkey.
Turkey doesn't have open borders like
They do to an extent, but not as much as countries like France.
Egypt, U.S., U.S., obviously, it's a different story, but Brazil.
So a lot of these countries, all these are above France in terms of the growth and the number of riots.
So then the question will be, if it is...
If open borders is playing such a big role, why aren't we seeing more riots among Western countries?
Only the US is in the top 15.
And if you go down in the top 30, I only found, I think only the US is in the top 30 in terms of the growth of the number of riots.
And that's obviously a separate discussion.
One thing about France is that the, you know, we have the motto of France is liberty, equality and fraternity.
So equality is very important in France. And we had 1789, the revolution, and it's quite strong in the mindset of the French people. And I think if you read David Graber, for example, he was talking about the
the time of the revolution.
And revolution comes when the ruling class is completely disconnected
and doesn't understand the world or the changes happening in the world.
And I think that's what we're seeing in France,
a ruling class that is very, very disconnected from the people.
And you'll see that in most of the country where you get riots.
If you read Grabber, I think it's pretty clear and it's pretty clear that we are in the age of revolutions.
It will take time, but we are changing from the 20th century to 21st century and things are happening this way.
What do you think, Samar, what do you think? How big of a role or Nick, you wanted to jump in?
Yeah, I wanted to jump in real quick.
Summer, I'll bring you in right after this, I promise.
But I do got to bring George in, who he did actually, you know,
he reached out to us and told us that, you know,
there are a lot of people in France that have been warning
about racial-oriented riots for 30 years.
Why was that?
How did you see this coming?
Does it have to do with immigration policies?
You know, why are we seeing this right now?
Hello, Nick.
Thank you very much for giving me the ability to speak.
So as I was telling Mario, the fact is there has been so far an analysis of the situation in France that has been described through the prism of economy, the confrontation between the bourgeois and the popular class.
This is what happened.
Bourgeois and popular.
So the rich and the poor.
Let's keep it simple.
Let's not, let's not, let's not, let's not, let's not, I keep rich and poor.
Exactly.
This is what has been perhaps the case for the yellow jackets.
And lately the demonstrations about pensions.
But what is happening right now in France is totally different.
What's happening right now in France is the result of a very favorable policy towards immigration
that has started in the 70s and it has only gone up in terms of numbers.
Who are the ones emigrating though?
So France basically is becoming, if you want to make a long story short,
is becoming the colony of its former colonies.
As you know, there was a decolonial movement in the 50s and 60s with the war with Algeria that ended up in 1962.
And since then, there were accords that were passed with the Algerian government, the Evian Accords,
that enabled the newly formed nation of Algeria, a huge easiness on immigration towards France.
The first nation that is represented in France immigration is Algeria.
So regarding immigration, if you want some numbers, in the years 2000, we had approximately 100,000 immigration.
So you're saying, but George, just one question.
So you're saying immigration is the core reason for this and less open borders will be the solution?
Is that a fair statement?
I know I'm simplifying what you're saying.
Absolutely.
Samar what is, Samar, Samad, do you agree?
I want...
Yeah, I want to go, Samoge, I want to go.
We can understand what I'm talking about.
Give us the numbers and I'll go to Samar right after. Go ahead.
Sure, sure. In the 2000, there was 100,000 people that were coming into France.
As you know, the population of France is approximately 70 million people.
Okay. In the years 2010, it was 200,000.
And now we're around 200, 250,000.
We're counting only legal immigration.
So you add up things and you realize that it's approximately 10 million people that entered France
since the beginning of the new century.
This is absolutely crazy.
And these people ended up all in the same place.
And you cannot integrate people as a whole, you know, with a big P.
Like the American people and the French people, not people, individual people.
It's not possible for French.
What do you, what do you think, Summer, what do you think, Summer?
Like this statement by Georges and he's given some statistics as well.
How big a role is race playing? Because I know this is a hot issue.
You know, I think you guys covered it yesterday in a space.
There's a hot issue across the world, not just France.
Yeah, I mean, my perspective as someone who's born and brought up in the UK and who frequently used to visit France, is that, you know, yes, it's a legitimate concern for people about immigration in relation to, you know, preserving their national heritage. However, let's not be, you know, simplistic here and take away the fact that,
these Western countries in Europe, they benefit hugely economically by bringing over people who will do
labour for cheap. In the UK, for example, all the nurses, all the people that pick fruit in the farms,
all of the people that are.
cleaners for these affluent middle and upper class families, they are all immigrants.
The indigenous population don't want to do that work.
So first of all, economically, the people prosper.
Yes, maybe you can talk about that there is issues with, you know, you know,
you know,
the indigenous, let's say, Caucasian people thinking, okay, these people aren't blending in.
But then the question is, is that really what's happening?
Because the way I see it, when I was growing up, the people who were from, for example, Pakistan
and these kinds of countries, they were the educated lawyers, engineers and so on,
who were brought over to the colonial kind of master nation to bolster the economy.
economy as I mentioned.
Some question, do you think someone just one question to you?
So do you think that immigration should be focused on people, you know, people like myself
and you, like highly educated people and less people like Sulaiman that are less educated when
they're focusing on immigration?
Is that what you're saying?
Not quite, but I know, but what I do think is, look, I can understand the perspective of, you know, preserving one's national heritage, but one also has to take responsibility for the colonial wars, the extraction of immense amounts of wealth from certain nations. Every single person wants a better life for their children. Everyone, that doesn't matter what colour,
what religion, whatever.
And that's all these people want.
And unfortunately, the global north has been extracting wealth from the global south for centuries.
And they've left a situation where countries that should be extremely wealthy because of their resources are not,
because the wealth has been extracted.
And the way I see is when I go to France, unfortunately, I'll tell you a story that actually is a true story.
Before the story, Samarry, before the story, I want to get George and Chief's thoughts on what he said.
um just get a good discussion going if you don't mind and then we'll go back to you and
you can tell his story george and chief maybe chief you can jump in first yeah a couple a couple points
here um when we talk about immigration it's always about the numbers how much you take in per year
and there has been a large economic interest for corporations to exploit people to make a profit
and to import people um into countries um
pretty much with like no limit.
We've had increases for years and years.
In America, at least, we've got a million people every single year.
And I know for France, they get about 500,000 or so refugees, even in 2021.
This whole talk, this whole talking point, right, about, I guess, how, um,
refugee, you know, there's some sort of colonialism.
Every, throughout history,
they retire on time again,
there's always been people and groups of people
who have oppressed and attack other people in history.
You can go back all the way to the very beginning of human civilization.
There's always been conflicts and things.
We American people or the French people shouldn't be responsible
right.
for grievances and things from a certain period of time,
when in reality, there's always been conflict and problems
for years before even that.
Before France, even a country,
there's been problems with other groups of people.
We shouldn't be responsible with that.
The French government should be responsible for other people.
I wouldn't expect the French government
to be responsible for Americans
or the United Kingdom people or or Russians or Australians.
I wouldn't expect that.
France is a country of the French people.
And if you were to go and talk about the economic benefits for that,
there's a cost to the economic benefits.
And the cost of that is, of course, having a lot of crime,
which you've seen a spike in.
And for this...
Quick question.
Your argument is...
If you, for example, bomb a country, you're not responsible for the aftermath of what happens in that country.
If you basically colonize a country and continue, remember France, I continue to benefit from certain nations in Africa.
It's not something in the past.
It's right now.
You're saying that this should not be responsible completely.
First point.
First question.
And the second question is.
When you say French people or French heritage, let's get, let's boil it down.
Because I like, these words are always buzzwords.
I want you to tell me what you mean by French heritage.
What is French heritage?
Because I'll tell you, not to, because I don't want to trap you.
I'll explain what do you mean by French heritage?
Because man knows, like French heritage has changed so much and what it is now.
So explain what you mean specifically about French heritage as well, both point of this.
Native French people.
What do you mean by native French people?
Indigenous French people, as I would be an indigenous Arabian person.
You got a Toby.
You got to chop, Toby and Chief, you've got to simplify it for Salaim, and he struggles with, with some English words.
Please simplify for him, guys.
Yeah, please do.
Please simplify for all of us.
What do you guys mean about indigenous French people?
And indigenous from when?
Okay, perhaps I can jump in here.
Yeah, go ahead, George.
It's possible.
Okay, I will answer the claims of summer right afterwards,
but to answer your question, Ahmed.
Ahmed is better, I like it, Ahmed.
The fact is, contrary to a very widespread cliche,
France has not been a land of immigration from the 9th century
to the beginning of the 20th century.
The French population has been relatively stable for approximately 10 centuries.
And France began to see waves of immigration.
In the beginning of the 20th century, starting with the Belgians, then the Italians, the people from Spain.
The French weren't invaded by, for example, the Vikings and various other nations.
That's what I'm saying. The last wave of immigration was in the ninth century, and it was the Vikings.
from the Viking immigration to the beginning of the 20th century, there was no immigration towards France.
If you take a look at history books, they won't say the contrary to what I'm saying right now.
So that's one thing.
So you've kind of answered this question, so, George, I'll let you tell you.
But you've kind of answered this question of what you mean by native French, correct?
Yeah.
Well, native French are people, some people who have been born in France for now decades, long generations.
Some of them go back to very ancient times.
And that is what I think.
What do you mean about decade?
So like some of these minorities have been in France.
The fact is what you have to understand is that France is a very different country from the United States.
which has been a land of immigration almost from its inception, right?
What happens in France is that France sees itself as a nation where in order to become French,
and we had this discussion, perhaps you remember, in 2018, when the French team won the World Cup, the soccer World Cup.
And a lot of American commentators said, well, this is not the French team, it's an American team.
And the French authorities issued official statements saying, no, these people are French.
And this is the very essence of the answer I will give to your question.
What happens?
George, sir, let me ask the question.
Because it's a difficult concept to grasp.
A French person is someone who embraces French history, French literature, French culture, French language.
This is what allows you to become French.
There are no, let's say, genetic conditions in order to become a French person.
The big problem that is here with these riots is that, as I was trying to say in my previous...
when I spoke previously, it's the fact that these people refused to integrate themselves to the French society by embracing this literature, this history, this culture, etc., etc.
The reason for it, let me just finish this, Ahmed.
The reason for it is that at a certain point, the quantity becomes a quality.
What I'm trying to say here is that you cannot integrate masses of people.
You can integrate individuals, some families, but you cannot...
So essentially...
Hold on, George, George.
Just to simplify for Ahmed.
Ahmed, so essentially what he's saying is that to be considered a French native,
I think you need to go back a few generations.
You can call me Mr. Ahmed.
So, Mr. Ahmed, if you go back, I think if you need to go back a few generations...
before, to consider someone to be French.
Now, you might always make the argument that, yeah,
but then that person could have been an immigrant then.
So at the end of the day,
an immigrant today could become native later on.
But then George made the argument about the Vikings
and then the difference between the US and France
and, you know, their policy.
His argument I believe is, George,
and please correct me if I'm wrong
because I don't want to misphrase your argument.
His argument is that it's not the time period or how long.
That's the second point.
Exactly.
Exactly.
The second thing George said is like, yeah, but also just having French values and understanding the French culture, which is now becoming.
That's fine.
That's fine.
They want to keep it white.
Let's talk.
They want to keep it white.
Okay.
Let's just say it.
I want to keep it white.
Nothing could be less true that's what you are saying right now, Summer.
And the fact that you're frustrated that was being explained cannot be summarized in this.
I want to ask you some more questions.
No, no, I want you to continue explaining because I don't think what you said is problematic.
I was expecting you to say why actually and you didn't say it.
So, I mean, I appreciate answer.
So my point is, George, so you said it's about French culture, right?
What is this French culture?
Because I've seen...
French culture, European culture, I'm from the United Kingdom,
even with the talk about British values, so I can explain it.
They always told me like British values are important.
And British values 10 years ago or 20 years ago
was based on Christian values.
It was based on monotheistic values.
British value now is based on liberal, leftist, LGBTQ values.
So when you say that a person needs to retain culture,
What is this culture you speak of?
Can I ask you, I just want to ask you,
Shalema, when you said that British culture is based on left LGBTQ,
I don't know how you mix LGBTQ into this.
It's just weird how you just kind of squeeze it in.
But then if you look at the percentage, what percentage of...
Sorry?
Huh?
Yeah.
I think outside the box.
I think outside the box.
the point,
the point,
you love numbers,
don't you?
I mean,
you love your numbers,
so, I mean,
you love your numbers.
Just to give you a data,
in the United Kingdom,
Christianity was the major majority religion.
And historically, the United Kingdom was based on wars to ensure that Christianity remained as the main...
Well, that applies to different countries and different religions, but finish your point.
Yeah, go ahead.
So in 2011, you had the scenario where the census showed 67%.
I could be a few percent off, so I know you'll want to check that.
And then now in the recent census, 2021, just a decade later, you've got a scenario where it's 43%.
So it's a drop of 25%.
Where is that percentage gone?
It's gone to atheism.
It's gone to these other things.
It's not gone to...
Look, you said, you said, give you some numbers.
You said that you can...
By the way, I want people on the audience.
So I'm going to ask her, and then I'm going to go through the comments for a bit to see if people agree with me or you on this one.
Because you made a statement that...
The UK is based...
Can I finish?
Can I finish? Okay.
You said the UK, the values in the UK now are based on liberal LGBTQ values.
Again, you just put that word out there because it's just cool to say.
But then I'm like, all right, let me see how many people identify is liberal in the UK.
Well, it's 23%.
How many identify is conservative?
Well, it's 29%.
This is my lack of understanding, and I don't blame you if you're not coming nice.
I don't need to be from there to look at statistics, bro.
You just need to know how to read.
I'll explain to you. I'll explain to you.
Don't worry, do you.
I'm here for you.
So when you say liberal, in the United Kingdom, as an example,
this organization, that you call conservative,
are the very people who put LGBTQ as a law into...
Can you...
Can you just move away from LGBTQ?
I think LGBTQ does not determine someone liberal or conservative.
We're not talking about LGBTQ.
No, no.
I am, so I'm trying to explain to you that even in the United Kingdom as an example,
what is British values?
British values, even purported by the right in the United Kingdom, is...
very much in children about
LGBT values
Stop get drunk
Stop it
Okay look look
I'm gonna
This in the audience
Do you think
Mr. Ahmed is just really
Exaggerating by just
Kind of making it about
LGBTQ
I think I think is this unfair
And just kind of
Every discussion now is about
LGBTQ what's happening in Ukraine
Well LGBT
Well LGBTQ
No no I'm not talking about Ukraine
This is
Yeah, and I'm saying it's just added to everything.
So you're not understanding
because in the UK, a good way...
In the UK, what they do is when they come to schools,
they do something called Ofsted,
where they check schools if they meet in certain requirements.
One of those requirements are British values.
And part of British values is this...
The fact is...
First of all, I think that you're projecting your own vision of things that might be biased onto a situation that is not even the situation of Great Britain.
We're speaking of friends right now.
And to answer to you very shortly and very simply, even though I already answered your question, I would ask you this very simple question.
If you had to take a trip to France, what would you expect to see there if I were to tell you, if you were to tell me, I'm going to France to see French people?
Well, I assume you think I mean white, but no, I would expect to see a diverse.
No, no, no, no, no. If you want the French experience.
What do you expect from the French experience?
Yeah, yeah, I'll explain to you.
So I look at it and I'd want a diversity of people, a diversity of nationality.
No, you don't.
Silly.
Come on, look, look.
If you go to France, you go for the French culture.
Look, by the way, we agree on the topic.
Like, I'm just saying, you know.
Let me tell you my position before I could...
The football team's fully black.
Yeah, but that's not...
Okay, if anyone...
I'm going to be realistic, then I'm going to go to Concern,
because I think Concern Citizen is going to just really explain to you.
Sure.
Actually, maybe Proto will destroy after Concerned Citizen.
But let me just ask you first.
If I go to France, I'm not...
I'm pro-immigration, I believe, I'm very naive, you know, the world is one, blah, blah, blah.
So that's my position on this.
But I know I'm not educated as much as many, including Yuslin, man, you're more educated about this than I am.
But to say that the Sleman, I go to France, someone goes to France to see multiple cultures
and diversity, I don't mind it, like this is great, and I don't do tourism, I hate tourism,
but generally if someone goes to Peru, they're expecting a certain experience to when they go
to Switzerland or France.
I think each country has its own culture.
I know it's pretty vague to define, but...
You know, generally speaking, diversity is not part of the culture.
If that makes it, concerned citizen, maybe you can explain it better than I am.
Yeah, thanks for having me on it.
I mean, I'll give you my very quick experience of what I expect when I go to France,
and that's fine wine, croissons, beautiful food, restaurants, architecture.
The people surrounding and making up the country, regardless, it doesn't matter.
We live in a multicultural world.
what we need to do is obviously have respect for each other.
Now, there's a clear argument around what's happening at the moment,
and I just want to bring it back to the riots in a minute,
and just to make it clear, there's a clear difference
between what illegal immigration is and what economic migrants are,
which is what we're seeing across the whole of Europe in swaves,
in probably more significant numbers than we've ever seen before.
But just to bring it back to seconds, if we can,
Because it's very interesting that the terminology has changed because France has probably since post-COVID seen the most protests in Europe,
bar a couple of countries, Hungary, Serbia, Czech Republic.
But we called them protests.
And I think one weekend there was an estimated 9 million.
Clearly that figure can't be verified.
But 9 million people across major towns and cities throughout the country out in force protesting.
Macron's pension reform. Now, that was probably the catalyst at the time for that, in behind that,
you had all that tyrannical authoritarian lockdown vaccine measures, which probably contributed to those mass-scale
protests. This, what we're seeing now is entirely different. It's entirely different. So just to give
you an example, a couple of weeks ago, you've probably saw it, the horrendous, brutal stabbing
of several babies in anarchy,
is Anise, however you pronounce it, apologies.
But there was no real reaction to that, where there was no real revolt.
Yes, there was anger and outrage, but there was no real revolt.
What you've seen post the shooting of the 17-year-old boy is from a different French demographic
on a completely different scale, which is why we're calling it riots now.
You're seeing shootings, lootings, infrastructure being taken down, cars being burnt out.
You know, whereas the previous protests, they were...
people from all walks of life in France
just taken to the city to make their
voice heard and yes there were clashes with the police
we saw those but by and large
you didn't see the large spread damage fire
destruction violence that you're seeing with these
protests right now and
but what's the reason for that that's the question
that makes me think it's something entirely different
Well, the thing that's entirely different is that the French society, unfortunately, does suffer with a lot of racism.
The law banning women from wearing headscarf, the way how women were dragged off the beaches just for covering their body and not wearing a bikini.
These images are all online.
You can see them by the police.
the heavy-handedness that's applied to, you know, ethnic minorities, it's really disturbing.
I myself, when I went to France last time, I vowed never to visit there on holiday there, even though I love Paris so much.
I love the architecture.
I love the museums and everything.
Because I was in a shopping centre and, you know, a bunch of skinheads, they started...
following me and intimidating me.
And I was just saying, I don't think we want to, I don't think we really want to be
turning.
You don't think you want to hear something that's actually an eyewitness account of something
that's happened to me when I'm a speaker on here just as you are.
I'm giving you an eyewitness account.
Yeah, and that's fine.
And you can do with the laws in France.
The laws in France are racist.
The laws in France are racist.
That's just a ridiculous statement to make them,
hold on, hold on, hold on.
Militant secularism is not secularism.
Militant secularism is you strip people of their identity
by using the label of secularism.
True secularism is live and let live.
That is not what happens in France.
So what identity are they showing when they burn down school buildings
and burn down hospitals and attack?
What identity are they showing? Is that the identity that they're showing now when they're burning down schools and hospitals?
You're conflating many things.
Europe is not a melting problem. Europe is not the U.S.
France traces history back to the Gauls, etc.
And the reality matter is the West is going to have to wake up that they owe nothing to no one.
Most of these migrants, as we said before, they're economic migrants.
They're not even refugees.
France, Germany, the US
they're not glorified Costco membership.
They have traditions, culture, and heritage.
Specifically Europe.
Cultures that have lasted for millennia.
It may well disappear.
It was nice to where Mattron was surveying.
And they've sold this to import these populations.
I'll finish.
I don't care.
You can scream as much as you want to.
Import these populations,
while their native countries
are not cozy enough to the West.
They're cozy enough to the East.
So we owe them nothing.
And on top of that,
as hard as it is for people to hear,
if you come from a cartel country
or a war-torn country,
you cannot integrate vast swath.
of military age men into a highly functional capitalist society.
You can't do it in large numbers.
Except when it helps the economy.
And everything they promised to you, they lie.
Because in Europe, they said it picks the pension situation.
Guess what?
Untrained labor that doesn't mix with the culture,
doesn't fix anything that actually made the pension situation worse.
Right.
Same thing that's going on.
So the reality matter is they try to weaponize your empathy against you.
When these people literally want to destroy you and they use your empathy to do this.
Nobody's saying don't let in refugees who deserve it.
Nobody's saying don't have immigration.
But when your civilization is literally falling and you have people justifying mass anarchy, chaos, destruction with no justification.
Who's justifying them?
Of you, you're showing your identity, right?
We're burning churches.
We're killing priests.
That didn't happen in the U.S.
There wasn't BLM.
Something that's peaceful.
Prodical.
You just started shouting over what I was saying.
There wasn't BLM.
Let's let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let you.
You want to make that argument for America?
Make it all you want.
Prodigal, good to have you back.
Summer, I'll let you respond and then give me back to Prodigal.
Okay.
It's like, he went, he went off on one.
fun one without knowing my full
Yeah, I'll let you make your point. I'll let you make your point.
Go ahead. And you, by the way, you don't know how
similar you are you and Protigal are.
And that's, I think you'll take that as a compliment.
Go ahead. Yeah, when the Margles give the
Baghdaddies, you know, reparations.
Go ahead. Go ahead. Summer, go ahead.
Okay, look.
Look, I've
A prodigal wasn't here in the beginning where I said my position. My position is that I do not agree with violence, the way how it's taken hold. I think the immigration is a legitimate concern for nations to preserve their national identity. However, I also think it's important to look at the
fact that these Western nations are not innocently bringing people over. It bolsters their economy
to do the scummy jobs that their indigenous populations don't want to do. And it actually impacts
their economy in a positive fashion. Now, when it comes to social cohesion and economic problems,
it doesn't matter which countries.
country you have. If you have economic woes and you have the great reset and you have the
cost of living crisis and all of these types of things, you are going to have civil unrest.
It doesn't matter what colour those people are.
And what you have to do is try to connect the dots, right?
When you're importing milk, let's take America, for example.
When you import five to six million illegals on top of a million plus legal immigrants you let in,
and then you wonder, well, why isn't the rental and lease price going down?
Why aren't food costs going on?
You're competing with them.
They might be bolstering the GDP, but they're literally killing the native population's ability to buy homes, to buy food, to buy necessity.
What the West offers and the left tries to pretend they don't like?
This is what the West offers.
Look,
They offer you to compete with the international wealthy for your home prices.
So then the government should compete with third wage illegals for your wages.
And for culture, it doesn't exist.
You get an economic Costco membership.
And everybody's the same.
You're mixing up so many issues.
It's unbelievable.
There's a difference between a reference.
I just think I took to it.
Protocol, protocol, protocol.
Go ahead, summer.
He just mix up so many things.
There's difference between a refugee, an immigrant, and an illegal.
How is the law weaponized?
You're here a law firm?
Protog.
Protog.
Protog.
Protog.
Protog.
Protog.
You act like NGOs.
Yeah.
Thanks for meeting protocol.
Go ahead.
NGOs aren't dedicated and weaponized against the West asylum laws.
Who's being a child now?
You want to have a serious question?
All right.
Go ahead.
Summer, go ahead.
I'll let you respond.
You literally have to have a tabbing church and fucking the Open Society's Foundation and a number of other NGOs weaponizing immigration refugee laws.
All right, Summer.
All right, okay.
Right.
Like I said, he just mixed up several things, and it's not helpful because you're lumping together three or four categories of people.
First of all, it is the...
Yeah, the world doesn't live in a vacuum.
It's multi-fasting.
Protocol, you've got to have a protocol, protocol.
You've got to have a response.
Progo, please.
You have to have a respond, then.
Please.
Right. First of all, it's the government that has to look after the policies for his people.
So if you want to blame somebody, the first person you need to blame is your government.
Your government.
Yeah, nobody in the West is the fit of the government.
Prodigal, please, please. You got to have a response.
What the hell?
I do want you, I do want a back and forth protocol. So please.
God.
I apologize.
I didn't know if you had permission.
Oh, good.
Go ahead, Summer.
My God.
Thank you.
That's a compliment.
Right.
Anyway, moving on.
Right.
So, the first...
The first thing is, is that the government is supposed to look after its population.
It's supposed to put in policies.
So they are the first people you should blame.
The second thing is, is once people are there legally,
the statistics show that they contribute to the economy.
Now, whether in a long game situation, as protocols outlined,
that's a negative or a positive, again, that is something that the government needs to look at.
What is wrong is putting in racist policies.
for the people who are now your citizens who pay their taxes and contribute to your society.
How does that help anything?
And the final point which I must make is I'm really getting fed up with all of the people
pouncing on this situation to sow divisions between races and religions.
That is not the main issue here.
The main issue here is socio-economic underpinnings with...
issues of race in relation to brutality with certain ethnic minorities.
It's a combination of factors.
And that's what I've got to say about it.
They don't have much control over their governments if they shut down their own nuclear plants
and beat up their own farmers for trying to keep their farms open, right?
You're talking about these governments as if they haven't been co-opted by the same NGOs, CFR,
that helps push with the legal immigration.
You should blame.
These populations have actually benefited more than a native population from these organizations you rail against that we also hate.
I don't agree with that.
I think you've got the EU.
I wouldn't expect you to.
You benefit you.
Yeah, that's fine.
Why don't you let me respond to it, right?
The EU, look.
these countries are giving up their sovereignty voluntarily to international bodies,
and they then have to implement those policies, and they're doing it of their own accord.
This is not the problem of the immigrants who are usually from poor socioeconomic demographics,
who are just trying to make a life and not be treated as second-class citizens,
as underlings, and be subject to racism every day. The buck
let rest with the people in control.
It's as simple as that.
Can I jump in?
Can I jump in?
Because you've mentioned that several times.
Can you just, you know, in 30 seconds before I go to Alexis, what sort of racist laws are you referring to?
Just 30 seconds, please.
Go ahead.
Well, it's something that would apply to me if I lived in France, which is I wear a headscarf.
In any public building, I cannot wear a headscarf.
If I choose to cover my...
cover my body on a meeting of Burkini.
I can get dragged by the police.
You can see these videos online.
And the French people, unfortunately, have not tried to help women in having...
I need to jump in, because it's the same issue we had before,
and we far from the riots here, but it's not racist laws or whatever.
It's about...
the freedom of faith and the fact that you don't have to.
I mean, every country has lost...
Come on, come on, let me finish, please.
If you go in Saudi Arabia or if you go in Kuwait or whatever,
there are several rules that you have to follow.
And you don't say that they are racist over there.
You just follow the rules.
It's cultural.
And the main issue is about culture.
It's not about religion and races.
It's about culture.
Either you believe in the culture or you want to...
say, okay, I'm not 100% pro what France is proposing, but I think I'm good here and let's go.
The issue in France is, of course, there is some racism in society, and we've seen it with the Nal
case, but with other cases we had before.
But you can't say that France has racist laws.
I don't think that that's the case.
You can see that there is some racism in society?
Okay, sure.
Okay.
but go in any country in the world and you will find racism.
Listen, she could make a better argument if she talked about the colonial French, Frank,
the intervention in Sierra Leone and other colonies, but...
The argument she's making is sucks.
I can make better arguments.
You can't even summarize my argument, Portugal,
because you keep jumping to conclusion.
So please don't try to summarize me.
Okay, okay, guys.
Guys, one second.
Listen.
So, look, another point I want to make is,
and maybe some of you might get upset or offended,
let's be clear.
In the Western world, including the United States, where 42% of your Gen Zs are basically identified LGBTQ plus.
What's happening?
That statistic is false, but go ahead.
So what's the actual number then, Nick?
We can all agree.
It's not Trenti.
Amazing.
What do you say, Nick?
What's the number?
It's closer to 20%, I believe.
Even that's huge, bro.
I don't think that's right.
Anyway, post your data, but I've seen 40%.
But that's fine.
It's still big.
I wouldn't laugh that off.
20% of your population, majority of the women,
have been taken out of the populace.
What is going to happen?
Because everyone's like saying it.
What's happening? The white population is dying. You have a significant population collapse.
What is it? 1.1 birth rate per every single power.
Yeah, but why do you sound so happy when you say that?
So what happens prodigal when you are basically unable to maintain your own population?
Perhaps I can jump in there to answer.
You rework GDP. You stop using these fake statistics that don't reflect if your average
citizen's life is actually benefiting from your policy.
So when you have.
Who cares if GDP grows if your products are sold and bought if you have 20 million illegals buying those products?
You know, they have to refocus.
Your population collapses.
You die out.
No, but Japan's dealing with it.
Other countries are going to have to do.
What do you need to do?
The problem?
The problem.
When all your women have done LGBT.
Yes.
When your women all done LGBT, you've got no kid.
What's going to happen?
I'd like to try and answer that.
That's why because of Russia, Ukraine.
There's going to be a lot of women left over when that's done.
No, but.
Oh, so you're going to import them in, but you just want the white...
Look, that was a...
Listen, I'm just saying there's a silver lining in everything.
You want to immigrate...
You want white eaves to get immigrated in, but not black people.
Listen, the problem here...
The problem here is you are trying...
They're actually from a war zone, so the idea...
Oh, right, there's war zones.
You know, there is war zones in Syria, and these are the...
That's not the old...
Listen, if the Arabs don't want to take, like, the Gulf seem pretty rich.
I mean, Cotter seems pretty rich.
Why don't the Arabs take them in?
I mean, how many countries did the Palestinians get taken in and they kicked them out?
I don't know.
Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt.
I mean, it is what it is.
And I got no problem with it.
I have a lot of Arab friends.
Why aren't they taken?
I mean, I wrote a thread on it.
Why the Arabs?
And these other nations...
The Turks have done more than the Arab countries.
They've got huge problems.
The difference is that coming from the West, our values are much more better.
In the United Kingdom, our values are much more better.
We do have a scenario in the UK and the US
where you have a multifaceted, multipolar...
society and community.
That's what makes us different.
And actually,
there's actually a deep reason why we are
in the West, in the UK, and America,
and these countries are much more successful
than other countries is because of this diversity.
When you look at basically ethnocentric nations,
that's again,
the one-sided analysis
that is through your ideological prism.
George,
So you're saying illegal...
You couldn't leave this wrong and I'm going to tell you why.
When you've got an ethnocentric nation, such as the Arab world, such as Asia,
you have a scenario where then don't do as well.
So, Joa, go ahead.
Where you can't say that Korea is not going well, I mean.
I mean, Korea's birth rate is like not.
No.4, bro.
They're just dropping hard.
If you don't let me answer, I'm not going to be able to make a point.
So, well, you interrupted me, George.
Do you think that you have the right to interrupt me?
No, I...
You were in a ping pong with prodigal, and I was trying to fit in.
Yeah, yeah, and you wanted to jump in.
You wanted to jump in, just wait a turn.
Joy, go ahead.
Sure, okay.
Yeah, I just think some of the comments that were being said about
as if the U.S. is like a shining beam of light here.
We had BLM, which were the race riots.
We had a problem where they were banning certain people.
You know, I really don't think it's the shining light.
It's kind of like the same thing that happened in the U.S.
is now happening in France because...
And I don't understand how it, I almost feel like it started in the US and it's spreading to other nations, to be honest.
So that might be an analysis, but the analysis through which you would say that it's diversity that makes these countries strong, it couldn't be more false for one reason.
These countries didn't become strong since immigration started in these countries.
These countries skyrocketed from the other nations and the West, more generally,
in order to understand really how it happened, you have to go back to the Renaissance.
It's at the Renaissance that countries, these countries and the West, generally speaking,
made advancement, technological, technical advancements that allowed them to go beyond what other nations could do.
That's the real explanation.
These countries didn't become bright as what you're following what you're trying to explain since immigration started.
Immigration started because these countries represented an opportunity, economically speaking, for other people from other civilizations to come.
They would have never come to a country that doesn't represent an opportunity for them to become richer, to have more comfort in life, etc., etc.,
So that's one thing.
Second thing about the numbers,
actually there were no numbers that were given
because it's always big declarations
without any numbers behind.
The fact of having immigration,
I will speak about France
because I don't know the situation in other countries,
but very quickly, actually, about Great Britain.
I think Great Britain voted a law.
They passed accords with Rwanda to export immigrants.
to put them in planes and put them in Wanda because they did not want them any longer in Great Britain.
This is something that you're not saying when you're speaking.
And that is facts.
Second of all, please let me finish my point.
Second of all about immigration in France, going back to the subjects.
What happens is that when you take a look at the employment rate in those immigrated Arab and sub-Saharan populations,
the level of unemployment is the highest in the country.
For example, the Algerian population is 42% unemployed in France.
That's the first thing.
And second of all, when you want to analyze...
immigration, you have to take a look at two factors.
You have to take a look at the pool factor and the push factor.
The pull factor is what attracts people to your country.
The push factor is what pushes people out of their country of origin.
And when people from Africa come to Europe, they're not stupid people.
They take a look at the advantages that each country in Europe can give them.
And France is the country in Europe that gives the biggest advantages to immigrants.
France is spending in social expenses as much as what the United States are spending on their army.
That is, more than 80 billion euros.
Do you realize the craziness of this?
When an immigrant arrives in France,
he can get what we call the RSA,
meaning basic income, even though it doesn't work.
He can touch many subsidies from the state in order to help him.
When he lives in these suburbs where the riots are happening right now,
he also has access to easiness of property,
because we have a law in France that is called the Lua Dalo,
that is an opposable right to having a house.
And these immigrants get a house through this system.
So people that follow the kind of ideologies
that I start to understand you are following...
We'll say, well, we've put them in ghettos.
No, we haven't put them in ghettos.
We've built a lot of buildings around Paris and around Marseilles in the 60s and the 70s
because the economy was booming in capitals and in urban areas.
Can I come back on you on two points and then I'll pass it.
Can I ask George's question?
Can I just come back on him as two points and then I let it's just the UK one and then I'll pass it over to you.
So two points. First of all, let's not pretend about that it was because of the revolution.
You guys colonized country after country stripped it of their resources.
Let's not forget about that.
Yeah, that's after the Moor, the Turks, the Hill, I mean, you guys started this shit.
We were just better at it.
You can't have the Moors, the Turks, the Barbary pirates.
Was the world a civilized place?
Who civilized it?
The West.
Anyway, so let me come to my point
So the second point is in terms of
What you said about United Kingdom and Rwanda
I mean don't attack my country bro
Because the court in the United Kingdom
Said it was illegal just two days ago
To send people to Rwanda
Because that's the brilliance of the United Kingdom
And let me pass it over to Anna Anna
Go ahead
So I just have a couple of questions to George.
A question number one is he's saying that, you know, the refugees and the immigrants are, you know, being kind of assimilated in the French society, which is kind of not true because you guys did put them in suburbs really, really far away from the cities.
The unemployment is the unemployment is extremely high because people don't have access to jobs.
education that have access to education.
Why? Anna, why?
Let me finish. Let me finish.
Please just let me finish.
Let me just say this.
I am against illegal immigration.
I'm an immigrant in United States.
We came here legally.
So I'm against illegal immigration.
But with that said, what happened with what's happening in France, it's not just a racial
protest.
What's happening in France is just protests with overall failed policies by Macron, which is
immigration policies, it's foreign policies.
people had that enough.
There is humongous inflation.
I have really close friends that live in Paris.
They're saying inflation is out of control, food prices out of control, gas electricity
prices out of control.
And all of this combined together, it does affect inflation.
people who live below poverty level in those suburbs of France.
So that's that's a.
B, I would like to say that, you know, you're saying that all this immigrants come and they get a lot of things, which they do.
But we also know that France is sitting on the biggest gold reserve in the whole Europe.
And France does not have gold mines, right?
So France was getting this from the colonies, colonized countries that they did.
Little fact that in 1914, just from one country in West Africa,
France was collecting 3.5 billion francs a year annually, which is huge.
Right.
So France have stole from those countries.
And just like, you know, not Nazis, Germans are giving back to Jews with Holocaust reparations.
I think this is kind of fair.
Another point they would like to make, and this is very important point, is that.
By the way, Germany has the highest gold reserves.
France isn't even in the top three.
Yeah, I think they just have custody under the old colonial frank zones.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm pretty sure you are.
It is.
It is.
Gold reserves by country in Google gives you United States, then Germany, then Italy, then France.
Yeah.
Okay, I apologize.
But hold on.
It's not a big deal.
Let her make a point.
One more thing.
And that with refugee crisis, I mean, we have to take responsibility for refugee crisis, right?
We bombed the shit out of Middle East.
Where do you think those people are going to go?
That's it. I'm done.
Okay.
Can I, can I just?
Who's we?
Who's we?
Yeah, we is the US.
We, United States.
Britain, France, France, no?
France and Libya.
France and Libya, yeah.
And we did not bomb anyone.
Aaron is not a, we didn't colonize anybody.
We were facing mass immigration as well.
Yeah, but I'm Irish.
We're talking about mass immigration.
Ireland, now, we took it 320.
What's it going to do with the world?
We've been out protesting.
We've had 150 protests the last seven months and no balance.
The only balance came from far-left agitators.
And that's what we've got here as well.
You've got immigrants that are protesting against the death
and then you've got far-left agitators and NGOs are coming in
and spicing it up and making it worse.
Listen, the reality of matter is hard times are coming.
Can I?
Germany is in a recession.
The UK is doing bad.
There's not going to be all these funds for law enforcement, for schools, for pensions.
Like, people don't realize they look at this like it's a one-oh.
There's major economic issues that are going to worsen the situation.
Proto go.
Okay, nice.
Where's the immigration coming from into the UK?
So let's be clear.
In the UK, we've had more...
Whoa, I can...
There's a huge amount of background, no, sorry.
I'm going to...
So in the UK, there has been more immigration from Ukrainians in the last two years
than any other country for the last, I think it was, seven or ten years ago.
What's the number one baby name, out of curiosity?
Sorry?
Yeah.
I have no idea what the number one baby names is.
But maybe what?
For 11.
Variation.
Top three.
I mean, this is what I was saying.
You need, you need the Caucasian population, which sadly, I'm actually sad about, but the Caucasian population is collapsing.
So maybe you need to start having some babies probably go.
Get your people out there.
Alexis, go ahead.
Yeah, just before I go and I want to thank Mario Nixelim and all of you for having me on this space.
I think we are losing the plot.
Of course, there was colonialism.
and France was a big colonialist country.
And of course there is this kind of resentment
and the number one resentment being Algeria
because there is still a lot of things
that need to be dealt with.
But it's not about coming back and saying,
okay, no, we're in the country
and we need to say that we want our money back
or something like that and want all life back.
Of course, I think France has a lot to do talking to these countries and making sure that especially Africa is no more sort of a colonial landscape because we're losing ground anyway, French as a power in Africa to the Chinese, to the Russians, because of this actually, because of this cultural mindset.
but I think back to the point
the economy really is the main point
I think if these
population coming from the former colonial countries
had a chance to
get a life and a proper life
and coming to the middle class
and the rich class
that would be very different
in France. Yeah, but you can't sacrifice
the life of the natives when their opportunities are
vanishing. They're not, when we're not sacrificing
the life. They're not. How are you to buy a house in
London? No, there is this big
No, come on.
No, no, there is no, it's not, I mean, I see a lot of neocons trying to speak about the French riots.
Yeah, I'm not the neocons. I hate neocons. I don't like W. I think he shouldn't work.
No, but I'm not talking about you, but I have seen a lot of issues about this is a civil war starting in France.
I don't think it's the case at all. I think it's something about the buying power, the fact that
You can't buy stuff and you see that people are rich and you're not.
And maybe you're trying.
There's also a lot of traffic.
And we haven't talked about the mafia and the drugs issue in France, especially,
because it's linked with this traffic as well.
And the fact that a lot of people in France are living because of the parallel economy
and the drug traffic.
And that's it.
But it's not a similar.
Who are these people, Alex?
Who are these people?
Which people?
The people you're talking about.
Be precise.
Well, I'm talking about the people in the suburbs.
Like if you go in Marseille,
Marseille has been one of the main cities of the riots
when they've been the most violence.
Marseille is in a state of emergency for years.
There's been shooting in the streets for years, but it was shooting between gangs about the drug dealing, and we're still there. And the French state has been completely failing in fighting mafias and fighting the drug traffic in France. And I think this is the parallel economy is a big issue in France because of this. And the fact that
youngsters, people in these
territories are
having a life because of this
parallel economy and they're not trying to
have a proper life and
having a job or something like that because there
is not any chance
that they will earn enough money
for the lifestyle they want.
So it's about
you know, the society we're proposing, the bigger car, the money you want, the Tony Montanas of this world,
and the fact that the proposal is not good for many of these people and saying, you know.
Exactly. So some are, I'd rather go into a criminal activity than in a country.
Alexis, I've got an interesting analogy for you.
I think what's happening is a lot of the indigenous, let's call them French people,
they are worried that the brown people who have come over
are going to become the Count of Monte Cristo,
and they're seeing them as the enemy,
when really they should be seeing Farnon as the enemy,
the one who did them over and who's causing all the problems.
But they're not mutually exclusive, are they?
They're not mutually exclusive.
Wait, wait.
There are so many points that just didn't make sense.
In terms of this specific event, one third of the people who arrested were young, according to Macron.
The rest were adults and old age.
So this is not, people tell me this to be a youngster thing and all that.
You look at the actual numbers, two thirds are not young people according to Macron.
Then the other point of this whole thing was, um,
um we're talking about this whole thing is in terms of you know we're fearful or wherever look at the crime
and exactly what's going on with just in europe in general with refugees we have no clue what's
going on with that and there has been no go zones for years there has been lots of increase
where's the evidence for this chief yeah no the evidence the evidence is that it's not the first time
it happens in france
It happened...
George, can ask you a question.
It happened 18 years ago already.
And we, in the exact same configuration.
These suburbs, these so-called...
What was the configuration, George?
Sorry?
George, can I ask you what the...
I'm just going to ask you a question.
I'm going to let me explain it.
So what was the configuration?
Was it the police went and just shot up a young man?
Like, what happened?
What was the configuration 18 years ago?
18 years ago?
What happened is that the police was pursuing two young men
that were escaping the police because the police was trying to control them.
And they found refuge in a high-tension electricity transformer, and they got electrocuted.
They died.
And so the riots started in these same suburbs because the police was accused of killing them.
That's the way it happened.
So had they surrendered to the police, this wouldn't have happened.
The same way if the youngster that just died four days ago now,
if he had cut the engine of his vehicle and he had done the exact same way anyone would have done,
and I'm sure many people in this space have been controlled by the police once, at least in their life,
he wouldn't have died.
George, we don't know, I mean, we don't know what happened.
I mean, I mean, we know what happened.
We don't really know what happened.
Alexi, the prosecutor of the republic.
The prosecutor of the republic said what happened, but then.
The prosecutor of the republic said exactly what happened.
He reconstituted the whole scene.
The youngster was, he was, the police tried to control him once already, and he fled away.
And it was the second.
Yes, but there is also some witnesses talking.
This vehicle was signaled to another police patrol.
And that's when it happened.
This youngster has 15 dimensions.
Anyway, one thing to note, I mean, no, one thing to note is that there was another youngster,
19 year old, that was killed three weeks before Nahel in Avignon in South of France in
the kind of similar situation.
So...
one other issue is a lot of killings happening this way and it shouldn't be
controlling arab people in france no it's no it doesn't because that's the idea that's
conveysed i'm not saying that at all no come on come on i'm saying that there is an issue about
the use of guns violence with
the police or, you know, it shouldn't be this way. And of course, you should obey a law,
enforcing officer, whatever, but the fact that they are firing and killing people and doing
false testimony, that's the main issue, is that the cops just said that, you know, in their first
testimony, they lied.
and that's the main issue.
They lied.
They didn't say what happened.
No, they lied.
When you take a look at the video,
you see clearly that the young...
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It's pretty much...
It's pretty much the issue there,
and I think just this will do what has to be done.
I'm going to go,
thank you for having a saying this space.
I'm sure that there will be more.
And...
and thank you for the spaces my right it's great
alexis thank you for comment much appreciate
so i'm going to ask a question to to george real quick
we're getting a lot of questions in the audience or from the audience and you can ask
your question down on the bottom right hand corner as well
who are the people that are emigrating to france you see a lot of people talking about
oh it's middle-aged you know
you know, young to middle-aged men.
You know, we're not talking about families and such.
And is that part of the immigration problem over there?
Or is that just, is that overhyped?
Absolutely. Absolutely.
So I'm going to explain to you quickly why it's only men.
So first of all, it's only men because usually it's men are stronger than women
and they can afford physically speaking.
the fact of going through the Mediterranean Sea.
Okay? So they arrive in France.
There's a law now that was voted under Francois Hollande
that removed the felony of being present in France while illegal.
You cannot be expelled from France once you are in France,
even though you have no right to be there. Okay?
And afterwards, there's a second law that was voted in 1972
that is called the Regroppement Familial,
which is in English family gathering,
saying that you have a right to a decent family life.
Meaning that once these guys are present in France for three or four years,
I don't remember exactly,
they can decide themselves without checking with the government
who comes from their family from where they came,
meaning that from 1972, the French government
took the keys of the immigration policy
and put them in the hands of the immigrants.
That is what's one of the crazy sides of immigration.
And you can understand, adding to what I said previously,
with the huge subsidies that are given to immigrants in France,
that once these people come to France,
all of their family now have access to the subsidies that we discussed.
And because these people have a rate of procreation
that is more than twice the rate of French natives,
then very quickly you have a huge, huge amount, a huge weight, a huge economical weight on these people.
So that's, I hope that answers your question.
Can I ask you a question as well?
What the actual French, I know you guys in your senses don't ask the question about religious demographics.
But what is the race demographics in France right now? Do you know it?
Sorry, I didn't understand.
Yeah, because what is the current racial demographics in France right now?
So the French, the overall birth rate is 1.8.
No, no, sorry, I mean, like, for example, how many white people are there?
How many, like, black people are there?
How many, like, what are the different racial?
That's the problem.
In France, we are not allowed to do racial polls.
You see, there are many cultural differences.
You don't know.
And this is explained that there are average estimations,
but the government itself is not allowed.
Okay, okay. Thanks.
So do you mind if I ask you a question to say,
Salaiman, Summer, I want to ask you this because, you know,
Anna is not here. I wanted to ask this to her earlier.
And she said that a lot of these refugees and immigrants
that are coming into the country are suffering because there's a
lack of education and employment and they're being put in suburbs
way outside of Paris.
You know, why is that?
I mean, lack of education and point, I mean, are the French people really that racist,
where they're putting in policies that are systemically?
No, it is the whole contrary, Nick.
When you take a look at the amount of money that is dedicated to people who live...
George, should I answer the question that Nick asked me, then you can respond?
Oh, sorry, I thought the question was for me.
Oh, no, no, no.
Summer, you go and then George said, go on.
Go ahead, Summer.
No problem. No problem. Thank you. Look, the thing is, Nick, first of all, I just have to clarify
something that George is talking about. No one is defining the categories which are very, very
important when talking about people coming into a country. You have refugees who are fleeing,
war, and who are under danger. That's one category. Another category is immigration, immigration,
where legally people come over with permission,
they do the relevant applications and so on.
And then there are illegal immigrants
who come in by means that are not condoned by the state.
I have no idea why Chief is saying no,
because they're just definitions,
but anyway...
So they're the three categories.
And do with those illegal immigrants then use the weaponized asylum laws of the countries against themselves.
Absolutely.
Do you just want to talk for five minutes?
Because I can't keep talking when you keep interrupting every two seconds.
I haven't spoken in a while.
I'm sorry.
No, but I'm just saying you go because obviously you've got something important to say.
But you mentioned my name though.
The reason why I always got so much in front say, go ahead, protocol, bro.
No, it was a one-off.
I was making a comment.
She made it sound like it was three-d-tat.
Listen, the reality matter,
and she knows it, and everybody knows.
To try it, it's not a left or a right issue.
Both parties are co-opted, right?
And to say that the native,
to say that the native population's empathy
And immigration and asylum laws have not been weaponized by foreign NGOs and organizations and people who give more a fuck about globalist bullshit in the native populations and how they're doing, then we're not having an honest conversation.
It's just a big waste of time.
This is the Catholic Church is playing a big role.
Open societies is playing a big role.
There's NGOs across the globe.
Then you have the multinational corporations who basically say,
if you don't agree with this, you're a racist.
I mean, they literally are trying to remove the word illegal from the lexicon.
They won't do it for me.
I mean, they are here illegally.
And I'll end with that.
Go ahead, summer.
Let's say, let's say what.
What I would say to that prodigal is that I actually agree with a lot of what you just said.
I think what's happening is I believe in sovereignty.
I believe that a country should be able to make their own laws and do so in a way that's dynamic and caters for their specific situation.
if the government is putting in policies that people feel are detrimental, do people not understand
that you are scapegoating it onto people who are not responsible for the policies which you abhor?
You are literally.
Yeah, but when those people show up to burn down your church and your home,
and assaults you can't either.
Those politicians aren't the ones right in front trying to kill you.
Nobody here is condoning that.
So I don't know why you keep trying to, like, put fuel on fire,
which where the fire is not even there.
You're literally creating fires.
No one's saying that.
I'm not putting fuel.
I'm...
Listen, I'm American, I'm ethnic Albanian.
And a lot of the shit the UK says about Albanian, migrants, and it's the truth.
After the Yugoslav war, if you were letting in working age, anybody, Albanians, Bosnians, Serbs,
you were letting people who life was worth a little bit less.
And if you're from this region like I am, right?
I'm from the third world.
I experience fucking ethnic conflict, genocide.
The whole shit, you know you cannot take vast swaths of people.
And there are going to be people who take advantage of this.
But who is.
I know people who literally in America
They use change migration
They get their fucking parents a fucking card
And they collect social security and go back home
The whole system is being weaponized
To fuck the native populations
And you're saying bleed your heart
For these foreigners who literally are trained
To eat in your own tax dollars
I'm not going to do it
Nobody has said that.
You're just getting angry.
No one is saying that there should be unfettered.
It's July 4th.
I'm hyped.
It's a holiday weekend.
I'm not mad at you.
I'm always like this.
Don't worry.
You are some next level angry guy, man.
No, he's not angry.
Protigal's a G.
Don't attack him.
Right.
Listen,
let me just make a point, right?
Yeah.
there's two aspects
and I get that people
want to inflame the situation
and not prodigal
because prodigal is cool, yeah?
But like, for example, yes,
shooting a kid is wrong.
Right.
Yes, burning buildings, all these protests, everything that's happening is mental.
It is completely unacceptable.
Both things are wrong.
The only reason we are actually talking about some of these issues just to like look at people's perspectives
and like what are the underlying reasons why these protests are happening.
But nobody like this behavior that's happening over these five days is purely mental.
Like that, why?
And for me, the major issue with it is they're like burning up buildings.
They're burning up.
places and most of them places are non-affluent areas anywhere and they're going to have to live there.
So why make the areas that you live in much, much worse?
It's ridiculous.
Because these people are stupid and they know that French people will pay for it.
They know it because, as I told you already...
I'm French.
You mean white people, isn't it?
But that's where I disagree with you.
Are they getting drunk of...
Like the BLM riots?
The problem is it already happened in the past, as I told you.
And they know now that the French people with their French taxpayers' money, they're going to pay for it.
I mean, George, George, you know, you said to me before, and just correct me if I'm wrong, right?
You said that the, basically, and just correct me, because I don't want to miss say what you said.
So you said that basically immigrants were having double the number of children to the French populace.
Did you say that?
Approximately, yes.
approximately obviously you can't have the exact amount like i don't worry i'm not going to be like oh it's 2.3
or something 2.3 factor right and also you said that the birth rate in France or someone else said it
that the birth rate is about 1.8 yes yes so then what that means is that the birth rate in for example
the um
white pop or the french population or the white population however you're going to call it is something along the lines of 1.3 and for the other i'm saying roughly and for the non-french is 2.3 roughly right so again when you've got a birth population it all depends on the on the number of immigrants yeah there's a yeah there's a variety of factors i accept that we're just roughly we're speaking so when you have a birth rate of 1.3 what's going to happen to your population
So the fact is, that's what I was trying to tell you previously, is the fact that you have an exclusively economic point of view on the matter.
And you're considering that if there are not enough people, I'm not dismissing the objection.
It's perfectly right to make such a point.
But the fact is, doing so, you're ignoring the fact that people are not interchangeable.
that if you take, you are reasoning, I'm caricaturing your opinion, of course,
but if you miss 100 million people somewhere,
let's say that all of a sudden France was empty of its population, 70 million.
You took 70 million people from Congo, and you put them in France.
You will say that these people are French,
because they will have a national identity card,
saying that they are French, but they won't be French.
They will be from Congo.
They will be Congolese.
And you are, you are applying.
Except when they win the World Cup, George.
Except when they win the World Cup, then they're French.
What?
Yeah.
I said, except when they win the football World Cup, then they are French.
No, and that's what I explained to you earlier.
It depends what you ask.
Because these people...
I mean, look, bro.
They're winning the competitions.
They're using the competition.
If you make an objection...
Solomon, your man of the match.
If you make...
If you make an objection, you don't let me answer it.
It's not honest.
As I told you earlier.
George, George, I'm letting you answer.
I've let you talk more than anybody else in the space.
You've literally talked more than anyone.
That's fine.
That's fine because I represent an opinion that may be not that.
No, no, I don't mind it.
I don't mind you talking.
Like, even though, like, on this panel, we've literally got everybody who's on your side except.
I'm saying, George, look, I'm letting you speak more than anybody else.
Look, because you made the point about not letting you finish.
Look, I just want to be clear.
I've let you speak more than anyone else.
I've let you interrupt people more than anyone else.
And I don't mind it.
Like, please, I want to hear your opinion.
Like, this whole reason for being in here is we don't mind people having diverse opinions.
I've got a different opinion to you and we can try and understand what I'm going to the person.
That's fine.
That's perfectly fine.
Perfectly fine.
And as I told you, you're making a space about France.
How many people from France are here in the speakers?
I'm trying to give you my point of view as a French person.
That's the only thing I'm trying to do.
George, tell me who to bring up here.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I do.
We had Alexis, who was a French person as well.
That's fine. That's fine.
That's okay.
I have no problem giving the speech to someone else.
I'm just trying to answer a question you ask me.
No, no, go ahead, go ahead, George.
So the fact is precisely what I just, I don't even remember your objection.
It was about the berthry, so it was like the Caucasian birth rate in France.
Yes, and you made an objection about the French football team.
As I explained to you earlier, France defines the citizens through the prism of their assimilation to the French culture.
Contrarily, for example, to Germany, and I'm not speaking of the Second World War, of course, but it's still the way it is.
You don't have a right of the soil, as we call it in France.
In France, the right of the soil says that if you are born in France, when you will be 18 years old, you can ask for French citizenship.
Such a thing does not exist in Italy or Germany.
So this first point enables to understand a little how we perceive citizenship in France.
And second, it's a point I already made.
It's the fact that we conceive citizenship through the assimilation to the mortar of French culture,
in heritage, literature, that you dismissed very quickly earlier.
But that is the way it is in France.
If you are able to speak, I don't know about Victor Hugo, or about French movies like Jean-Luc Godard, or that you like French cuisine, and you have a passion for it, all of this contributes to you integrating, assimilating yourself to France culture and becoming French.
That's the way it is in France.
It has nothing to do with having the right genes.
By the way, about this, a very quick story about it.
When the Americans liberated Paris, they were very surprised that black people that were in the American army were allowed in the cafes with white girls.
They conceived it as completely crazy.
This is a very quick story to tell you that as far as the Second World War goes,
when there was still segregation in the United States,
France had never such a way of conceiving the relationship between people.
So this is a point that is very important and that Americans and Anglo-Saxons usually don't understand.
It's the fact that Frenchness, let's say, comes through culture and assimilation to the French culture.
It doesn't come through your blood.
It can come through your blood, but it's not the only way of becoming a French person.
I hope I made myself clear here.
Yeah, yeah.
For the French, this is exactly what happened.
Yeah, let me go to summer real quick.
I do have to bring this up because it has been linked a lot in the audience as well.
Elon Musk responded to a tweet earlier.
There was apparently an imam that was bragging saying, quote,
France will become an Islamic country through jihad.
The entire world will be subject to Islamic rule.
The French will convert to Islam, be forced to pay Jazeapol tax, or be forced to
or be fought against for the sake of Allah.
I'm going to pin that to the top.
Elon responded and said he's right.
So I want to ask you that question real quick.
Does that seem realistic?
You know, is Elon right by saying he's right?
Is that part of the issue?
Well, well,
Well, look, look, when it comes to Elon,
I think he puts out mixed messages deliberately
so he can't be pinned down as to what his views are.
However, I did reply to one of his tweets
where I felt that his slant was unhelpful
in relation to the situation.
You're specifically asking that one,
Islamic Imam said,
what people need to realize is Islam is not one homogenous group.
We have many sects.
with many different views, just as Christianity has many different sets, many different views,
and a lot of them disagree with each other.
What that guy said, I don't think it's helpful, I don't think it's the right approach to the
situation.
I think we need cool heads.
We need to realize, okay, there's socioeconomic reasons why this is happening.
It's obviously, you know, bad to see violence and destruction and things like this.
and it's up to the government to implement policies that their people are happy with.
I mean, you can't say it's socioeconomic reasons when you have poor countries that aren't in this type of energy.
Like that used to fly in the past.
You can say that.
All immigration is good and a benefit.
And why does New York have a $4.3 billion deficit from the illegals?
These statements don't apply anymore.
We have the facts, right?
So I don't know how you can classify that deal.
You're mixing.
You're mixing.
like different countries issues up and it's not it's not right we're talking about europe here i'm a
european i you know i've lived you know i was brought up in the uk whatever whatever right the
situation here is is that there is huge price increases there's massive inflation people are unhappy
you have people from impoverished backgrounds that are frustrated the french have that revolutionary
spirit where they where they protest anyway whether these people who that have
whatever the West is experiencing
the third world is experiencing it
10 times that level you're not seeing this type
of chaos so it doesn't fly
don't worry well we want to hear your beautiful voice
just wait for me to finish okay look
these people that are protesting, however much people may say, oh, they're not real French people.
The thing is, a lot of them were born and brought up in France, and they have inherited that
revolutionary spirit. And when they see things that they disagree with, clearly they are going
to implement, you know, the similar spirit in their protest. Obviously, it's wrong. We don't like
the violence, all of this stuff. But remember, people who are trying to inflame tensions between
religions and between colours are stupid because
the demographic and the makeup of these people is varied
so you cannot scapego to like Islam is not one massive group
Islam is lots of different sections from lots of different countries
with with completely different cultures
and Samar let me jump onto what you're saying so look the
The issue is this.
Like, Elon obviously does this a lot, and that's why I've got huge problems with him.
He does basically stoke racial tensions a lot.
He stokes hatred towards certain groups a lot.
I mean, I don't agree that he does it.
Like, let him do it to another religion, and then I'll say, yeah, it's cool.
He does it to everybody, but he doesn't.
He stokes it to specific people to cause politics.
problems, right? In this, what this imam said, he said something which is completely extreme.
It's totally unacceptable. And most Muslims, the vast majority of us, have written many articles
slamming, smashing this ideology, even though, let's be clear, like,
the US was in cahoots with these guys for a long time, right?
Now, in terms of what they said, what he said is completely unacceptable.
And no, it's not going to be Islamic rule in France,
because what he's saying is nonsense,
because the vast majority of people who are Muslims do not uphold this ideology.
But again, it's another example of...
Elon Musk perpetuating certain, using Twitter to perpetuate certain ideologies and hatred towards
certain groups. So for example, I'm a Muslim. I don't have them views. Prodigal. He doesn't
have their views. Like, this is the point. What I'm saying, like these extreme, Yizan and a few others
on here, Summa, the problem is when you use extremists. And this game was played before. Look, you're all old.
like you're 20 years behind everybody else.
This game was played in the United Kingdom
for two decades after the September the 11th
where extremists like this guy,
his words were used and propagated
and then it was used to terrorize a populace.
What happened in the United Kingdom?
They terrorized Muslims,
they basically demonized them
and while they did, they propagated
liberal leftist LGBTQ ideas and what's happened?
Christianity is dead.
British values is now LGBT
values.
All the kids are becoming
LGBTQ population
collapsing the Caucasian population.
You basically imploded
and British society
imploded or the alt-right
imploded while they were attacking Muslims
because they ain't got no brains.
They ain't got no smarts.
They don't get what's going on.
Have you been looking at the birth rates
coming out of the Middle East countries recently?
So, yeah, I mean, I'm against
Protagull, I'm against the Middle East.
I don't like the ethno-national
methodological approach of where they do things.
They have huge...
Oh, so you're a Caliphate type of guy.
You want the whole thing.
No, no, I'm not down with the Caliphate.
I'm against the Caliphate as well.
There ain't no Caliphate as well.
I don't agree with the idea of the Caliphate.
See, a protocol, you can't test me, bro,
because all of these games, we've smashed them already.
So let me go to...
Yizan, go ahead, Yizan.
Hey, what's up?
I'm going to tell you, like, just how really things work.
I am an immigrant.
I studied in Europe.
I've been all over the world.
And, like, first of all, there is no way you can justify what's happening by saying, you know,
this is what Islamic religion represents, because that's absolutely what it doesn't.
But if you say socioeconomic, it flies, though.
Let me continue.
Yes, you can take things out of context very easily.
You can say, okay, look who's participating in those kinds of events and saying, okay, that's...
The people, what do they want?
Let me tell you, Europe provided an opportunity for a lot of Arabs that came there and hosted them and gave them opportunities.
I know that because I was one of those people.
And I saw a lot of my friends that had the same kind of opportunity.
And those people are grateful and they appreciate everything.
They have.
On the other side, there's people that...
felt mistreated, felt that they're not getting what they're supposed to be getting.
They compare themselves to others that grow up, you know, in the same circumstances.
And it starts to create some type of frustration where people start to question things.
And, you know, it gradually builds up those people often get involved with illegal activities.
So look, I thought you're going to address directly what, Yazana.
I thought you're going to address directly what Soleimann said.
but since you're not, which I don't mind,
I'm going to give you the mic again,
but since you're not,
let me try to do that because, you know, I jumped in.
Of course, Mario comes to back up his boy, Elon.
As soon as you mention Elon,
Mario comes running.
Go on Mario, go ahead.
Yeah, you just put in the group like,
hey, I'm going to smash Elon.
I'm like, all, let me see what he's in for.
So I was, look, I...
And then he came running faster than you can stay...
I wanted to hear what you wanted to smash.
And then I heard the word LGBTQ.
I'm like, here we go.
Spewing the same bullshit again and again.
The death of Christianity, the death of Caucasian people around the world,
and the death of the UK and all that bullshit.
So, look, I read that tweet by quoting that guy, the one that Amy Mek tweeted.
You read two words there, bro.
That's what you did read about.
Yeah, so I read that tweet that Elon responded to.
So I was pretty surprised.
I was like this guy is talking about the French will quote,
convert to Islam.
By the way,
you could have probably read it just for the audience knows what the hell you're talking about.
But let me do that for you.
Who said this?
your boys already done here.
You guys have already said it to try and make Muslims look down.
I'm glad.
I'm glad Nick did what a moderator should do.
So I'm just reading what the tweet says.
It says,
Imman Braggs,
France will become an Islamic country through jihad.
The entire world will be subject to Islamic rule.
So this is a person who's very anti-Islam, I guess, Suleiman, or extreme Islam?
I'm guessing extreme Islam.
Extreme, extreme.
Okay.
This is extreme to the level that they take it to next levels that we're not supposed to be there.
Okay, I understand.
So then he says, convert to Islam.
Be forced to pay Jizya-Pol-Tax.
What's Jizya-Pol-Tax, Suleiman?
If you're not Muslim, you pay a tax if you're from a different religion.
What?
Yeah.
It's only because they're not required to fight in war.
That's the reason why.
Hold on.
Sorry, sorry.
I'm uneducated.
There's a tax.
I don't want to say, I think I understood it.
Yeah, the Ottoman Empire had this.
It was very, very, very.
But does it exist?
Oh, okay, okay.
But does it exist anywhere now?
I believe it does, yes?
Like none of the Muslim countries.
And when it comes to Gisiana.
What was it?
So what was it?
Let me explain one thing.
Hold on.
In my house, the prodigal is the collector.
He goes in, you make sure everything.
So Suleiman, so what is the Jizia tax?
So, Jizia is a tax, which is applied.
You like how that sounds, huh?
Okay, go ahead, Solomon.
Oh, Prudal, don't try, bro.
Right, which is applied to, unfortunately, it applies to non-Muslims.
And at the same time, there is a tax system for Muslims as well.
And I was going to write.
Oh, okay, so, so in Islamic countries,
okay, no reason, but Islamic countries that had a tax,
they had a tax, they had higher tax for people that were not Islam.
No, it's not higher, but it's a different, it's just caused my different.
Okay, no problem.
All right.
So in 20s, I'm guessing it was stopped a while ago.
In 2017, France silenced my warnings by banning my Twitter account, dismissing the major concerns I raised about the perils of their open border policies.
Now I had forewarned.
Those concerns have materialized.
All right, so I'm just reading the tweet.
Now, essentially, I think what would have probably triggered Elon,
I'm not here to defend Elon.
I want to kind of, are you going to be surprised?
I'm going to actually point out something interesting as well after that.
So I'm just saying, like, probably one of the main things that,
you know, probably want to bring attention to is that France silenced my warnings
by banning my Twitter account.
And like, obviously, he's anti-censorship.
This is probably what he wants to bring attention to.
But let me go to another point, though.
We're talking about, now again, I don't have problems with immigration and assimilation or whatever,
or different people all living together.
That's my stance and it's very naive stance.
But I'm looking at the percentages, man.
Do you know what percentage of the UK population is Muslim?
I'm sure you know.
About 3%.
6.7% as of 2021.
All right.
So Germany's at 5%.
The US is at 1.1%.
Canada is at 5%.
But then you're in France.
France is at 10%.
Right, it was 7.5% 2011.
It's 10% 2020.
Which, again, I'm not saying
it's too high, too low, like,
Again, I really don't care that much about these things.
Many people are not like that.
But I'm saying, like, if you look at the percentage in France versus other countries,
it is much higher.
It's double the second most country.
Czech Sweden.
Yeah, Algeria, Morocco.
They had colonies all over Africa.
It makes sense, right?
Yeah, but what's the point, Mario?
No, I'm saying that the concerns.
Now, this guy is going extreme, of course,
but do you think that the concerns that there's this...
Go ahead.
No, no, so there's a multitude.
It's 2.3% in Sweden, do you know.
Go ahead, Suuil.
So, okay, so you were in the UK, it's 6.7%.
There's been a just, there hasn't even been a much of an increase in the 10 years.
There has been an increase proportionally, but if you look at it numerically, there hasn't been a huge increase.
Yeah, but this person...
Yeah, sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
And so the reason why there's been a collapse in the Christian population is because people leave Christianity and they become atheists, they become liberal and so on.
Yeah, they've become smarter, but go ahead.
Frank.
I mean, I wouldn't say they're
smarter.
They're basically losing their children.
Sulema, my friend,
can you stop kicking me off the panel, please?
Two times to kick me off.
Are you kicking him off, Sully?
Kick him out.
Kick the German out.
Yeah, he's been annoying.
Okay, so don't be annoying, man, or they'll remove you.
Did you just remove him again?
Who's bringing him up then?
You and Nickney to work together, guys.
He just keeps coming.
One person brings him up, the other brings him down.
Right, right.
Okay, so listen, coming back to the point.
Yeah, Suleiman, you make a valid point, but what's your counter-or-
What's his point?
What's his point, what's his point?
What's his point?
No, so let me come to the France point, yeah?
So in terms of France, you have a scenario of a multifaceted reason why they're...
Of course, they've got a lot of immigration coming in.
I'm not going to deny that.
I'm not going to pretend that's not happening.
Of course it does this.
The reason the reason is 10%.
In addition to that, as we, George clarified,
the Caucasian population is not having kids, 1.3.
The immigrant population is having...
Alright, sorry, let's not say one...
Okay, so the Caucasian population,
so the entire birth rate,
let's let people work it out then
because George is getting a bit emotional.
The entire population is 1.8.
The entire population is 1.8.
The entire population birth rate is 1.8.
And then in addition to that,
the non-Caucasian population birth rate is double,
according to George.
Obviously, we could verify it,
but trust that he's not making it up,
is double the non-Caucasian population.
So when you have...
significant difference when one populace is not having children and the other population is having children.
That has a factor as well.
So there's a multitude of factors that cause that population difference in terms of what you're saying.
In terms of Elon's point, because I know he's to defend your boy, Elon,
yeah, he does regularly comment and he does a comment or he puts a full stop or he puts an expert.
And it's just his way of causing engagement on a specific post.
And generally speaking, his post about causing racial division in the United States.
Or it's post where basically someone's attacking Islam
And that's quite regular when he comes up
And you'll see the type of people he engages with
It's very similar
There's a correlation
He'll never engage with certain types of people
And he engages with Islam.
I'm just talking about the Islam back.
Who did...
Can I jump?
Yeah, go ahead, Gailissa.
Yeah, go ahead.
Um...
I just want to...
And then we...
I know, Yazan, I interrupted you,
so I'll give you the microphone out after, Gillesa.
Go ahead, Gillespie.
Yes, yes, for sure.
And thank you to Nick to kind of having me
given the opportunity to intervene.
I really wanted to come in to take the opposite foot of George.
I heard George speaking earlier, you know, about, you know, like when the Western world is, like, typically, France, you know, started, like, to be really developed, you know.
And he took place from the Renaissance, you know, he took all the departure from the Renaissance.
And I was quite surprised, you know, that I did not see Alex's or anybody who is in this room kind of correct George.
George, that's a flat lie. I'm sorry to say that.
But the Renaissance, you know, started in the 14th to the 15th century.
You guys already was like occupying Africa.
Yeah.
And that was like slavery time, period.
One, second.
George, you know.
When we were repelling the Ottomans from Vienna, is that when we were done?
History, my friend.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Let me continue.
Let me continue.
George, I'm from Senegal.
Today, I'm living in the USA.
I live in Vegas right now.
I'm speaking from Vegas.
So I'm not raised in Senegal.
And then I took history in college.
And one of the best colleges in West Africa, what is UCAD, University of Chandra Job.
yeah but that's like being the tallest midget in the room you might be the tallest but what did you
listen okay i listen to you you said the renaissance you know is when france took like all the
departure to be developed they were already that's a flat lie today mario and people who are
listening here nobody dressed this one five listen let's see what i said he that's why we didn't
address it
No, George addressed it.
Listen, I'm just going to make a point.
I'm coming here to answer to George, you know, because he's French.
I couldn't speak in French, you know, but so everybody can understand.
You know, that's not true because French was already in slavery occupying.
They were in places where they were not invited to.
So today, when I hear French people crying about immigration...
I quite have a problem.
And I hear George also speaking about
when Americans came to free friends.
No, before American came to free friends,
African already had freed you.
So that's also a point that you did not, like,
put on your comment.
The other thing when you talk about, like,
the cinema and all the movies.
You don't even talk about Omar C,
which is like the least person
who actually participated
under like explosion
and the beauty of French cinema.
You know, you guys, the problem in France today,
for me, it's not immigration.
It's the lack of...
accepting the diversity that can I can I can I so so so get a
that diversity is burning down the country and chopping off people's heads
no no no no no let's not hold on on listen what do you mean protocol when you say things like chopping off people's heads
Is that you just being dramatic, protocol?
No, you don't remember the school teacher?
I forget.
He just something insulting.
Yeah, but that's, I mean, I'm sure you can find a story.
If we're going on Google now, I'm sure we can find a story
if someone's head getting chopped off in many other countries.
Does that mean it's a problem of heads getting chopped off?
I remember worshippers going to Notre Dame under armed guard for fear of being attacked.
Like, this is a situation.
Yeah, but, bro, bro.
Hold on, protocol.
I'm in the United Kingdom, you know, shooting down kids as well.
I mean, you're going to kill babies, bro, like, chill out.
I mean, how many times is the guy arrested?
For me, if you hit the gas and two cars are on your vehicle, it's open gate.
It's open gate.
You want my honest opinion?
No, but, bro, I think you say, Proto, can ask you a question?
You're running on.
So, Prod, let me ask you a question.
How bad do you think the problem is in France?
I think they're fucked.
I think Summer makes some good points.
The left and the right, I mean, everybody's bought.
They don't matter.
They played it.
So how, how, it seems like, when was the last time, when was the last time you've been to France?
Me, it's probably in the 2000s.
Yeah, so I go there relatively often.
And I have a business in France as well.
I've had it for about six, seven years now.
And, you know, I've got a lot of friends and family in France.
And life is pretty good thing.
I go to meetings, it operates walls.
It's a democracy.
It's got a lot of flaws, and we can all list it.
But, Mara, you're talking about it right now.
How much energy packages are that?
Adep article,
Porticole,
and I don't doubt that.
Europe.
Had a mild winter?
Had a mild winter?
Your friend, Pride and Podigal.
Let's not go there, though.
Casey, I'll give you the micro right after.
It's just protocol.
What I mean as well is that a lot of,
and I would like to hear what Kaiser says
after Yazan.
Yazan's been,
it's been pretty, pretty,
pretty quiet
and after I muted him.
But, Prodigal, my point is that,
you know,
when I see all those videos and photos online,
it generally looked like a Rozon.
I looked at them like,
What the fuck is going on?
There's a sniper on a building.
There's, you know, cars burnt and shops burnt and explosions.
And I read the news saying explosions around France, France on fire.
Then I look at it and look at the numbers.
You know, the US...
Black Lives Matter was significantly worse.
Now, I still have concerns.
It seems to be spreading, I was reading an article.
I didn't go into it yet, maybe over exaggeration,
but there's neighboring countries also going through it.
But I don't know, I just think that I'm with you.
Actually, I've got a question for you.
Let me do this, protocol, because we might agree on this one.
Do you think, and just try to answer the question directly,
do you think the main issue, you know, immigration,
et cetera, there could be issues,
but do you think the main issue that we face as a society?
is the increasing inequality and that could lead to what we're seeing in France spread to other countries
because the world is just having enough and we're seeing populism increase around the world.
That's a valid concern and not being not trying to fee monger but it's a valid concern I have
is that the inequality is going to smash the world, smash us in the face, we're not going to be expecting it
and it's going to you know impact the Western world in ways we cannot imagine.
I think it'll take it still at least another decade or so before we do that unless there's structural changes
and any riots in any country could trigger,
you know, could trigger a spread across other countries.
Do you think that could happen?
I mean, I don't think we'll see a contagion of rights between countries. Europe's a different demon.
But, I mean, I was saying this a year ago when we spoke about these issues, right?
I mean, I think right now you're not wrong.
Europe had a very mild winter.
But the war in Ukraine is still going on.
Russia might back out of the grain deal and point to other people are making this right.
Listen, if you have money right now, it's not too bad, right?
If you're in cash, putting it in a CD, a money market, you're getting 4%.
You weren't getting that for years.
You're guaranteed.
But if you have to buy, if you are lower income and you got to buy food, you got to have rent, you got to pay your utility bills, have gas to get to work, you're being crushed.
And as much as you say, yeah, I'm surprised Europe has held it together this well.
And, you know, if Ukraine goes on another year and it's a cold winter, we'll see what it is.
But I'll end with this.
Mario, these policies weren't done by a vacuum.
They were done, you know, neo-cons, neoliberals, you know, the lavender mafia, you know, these NGOs.
And, you know, they can just remember who put them in place because they're going to try to deny that they champion these, which you see some now trying to backtrack on.
Let me share some...
Mary, can I finish my point?
Yeah, yeah, Galisa, I'll let you finish your point,
then I'll go to Yazan.
And I'm going to get you some statistics protocol
on the amount...
I think people underestimate
how that gap is widening over the last few years.
I'm going to give you some statistics
I can share with the audience
and then get your thoughts
if you think, if you're as worried as I am about this.
Galisa, go ahead.
Yes, I was going to finish and saying that, you know, today this immigration thing that we are analyzing.
With people thinking that, you know, it's how can we understand today that French is not a producer of uranium, but they're taking the uranium from Niger.
France has no gold in their land,
but they're having all the West African,
like French-speaking country, gold.
Today, you know, as a Senegalese American,
today we don't have our own currency.
Like the franc safer, the money we use
is still protected by France.
So that means, you know, our countries can collapse
the day France will want it to.
So that's one.
We cannot have any, like, decisions
since Britain was 1945.
You know, French decided that they're not going to lift their foot
above African, French-speaking countries.
So that's the results of everything that we went through.
Today, you know, when I hear French people saying that, oh, it's because of immigration,
how are you going to hold the resources of people and you expect those countries?
The youth are not going to do everything possible to come join or take the same route.
You want to invite it to their countries, you know, like 500 years ago, 600 years.
600 years ago.
Today,
yes,
they're not invited.
They're there,
and you guys don't want them.
We didn't want you,
you know,
when you came in.
So now,
let's live together.
Accepting these neighborhoods.
Don't treat,
don't treat the neighborhoods,
this banlier,
how we call it in French.
Don't treat them as countries.
Treat them as part of France.
And bless it.
You know,
You know, like in 05, when we had a...
But would you consider...
Galisa, Le Bonreux, would you consider them?
So, what do you call them in English?
Le Bonoilue, the hood, not the hood, but there's another term for it.
So do you...
The ghetto.
The ghetto, yeah, exactly.
So the ghetto.
But do you consider the ghetto?
I know it's race-focused as well, but how much of the ghetto is just the poor versus...
X race. So I'm saying would you relate the ghetto to the poor and I've kind of linking it to race versus equality versus wealth equality?
I will relate to to poverty and also like um because let me give me give you a number. Let me give you a number. Listen, these are the numbers I wanted to give a protocol. In France, the richest 1% of households now own more than 20% of the country's wealth. Okay.
In the UK, the richest 10% now own more than half of the country's wealth.
In Germany, the richest 10% own more than 60% of the wealth.
In Canada,
40% of the wealth is owned by the richest 10%.
Now, guess what? Look, in the US, in the US.
And they're all donated to Bill Gates.
Let's not go to Bill Gates.
Let's not, look, the same way Silleman, the same way, the same way Silliman goes to LGBTQ,
protocol goes to Soros and Bill Gates.
Protagall, in the US, the top one, the top one, the top one percent of earners in the US,
they now own more wealth.
than the bottom 90%.
I know a lot of you might know this.
The 1% of people,
one every hundred own more wealth than 90%.
And in 1970,
let me show you,
that sounds concerning, okay?
But let me tell you why it gets more concerning.
In 1970s, so 50 years ago,
That 90% were 33%.
That means the top 1% had more wealth than the bottom 33%.
Now they have got more wealth than the bottom 90%.
You know, COVID didn't make it any better.
For me, this is, and I was surprised by when you said protocol, you don't think this will spread to other countries.
So you don't think that we, either this one or a future one, where riots could start spreading.
Not naturally.
I mean, if other foreign intelligence agencies want to weaponize ethnic and...
Why not naturally?
Why not naturally?
People have had enough.
People have had enough of what's happening, you know, the inflation.
Because normal people don't burn down their own neighbors.
No more people.
Normal people were fighting in World War II.
Normal people do some crazy shit.
You'd be surprised.
It's based on circumstances.
Hold on, Galissa.
Yeah, go ahead, Galissa.
Do you say, bro?
Who said bro to me?
Yeah, so, so, so, so what I want to, what I want to end on that is that, you know,
Hold on, who said bro?
Who said, Galissa, hold on, who said bro to me?
I'm seeing.
Who jumped instead, bro?
I said, bro.
I mean, you're talking.
Oh, okay.
What did you say?
Go ahead, go ahead.
No, hold on.
Hold on.
Listen, just stop for a sec, bro.
Why, bro?
What bothered you from what I said, Nick?
You're talking about people, you know, you're talking about normal people and, you know,
burning down neighborhoods and such.
I mean, that's, that's, that's not, that's not an accurate statement, man.
I mean, I don't.
No, so I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll tell you what I mean.
Yeah, so I live in Dubai where nothing happens ever.
People are too scared.
But let me, two are too fucking terrified here and just a lot of money.
But let me, let me explain what I meant and let me know if you disagree.
I'm just saying if circumstances are bad enough,
good people do bad things, and there's a lot of quotes to explain this.
And I use World War II as an extreme example where good, genuine people, your local teacher, your average Joe walking past you, you'd be surprised of how good but how evil humans can be, just depending on circumstances.
Bro, if my family is at risk, I'll do some horrific shit to protect them.
If you're sitting and surviving, you'll do some horrific shit to survive.
Now, some people will do worse things than others.
Galissa, you got it.
Hold on, Nick, Nick,
Gillesa, you got to stop
unmuting, please, bro,
because I need to go to Yazan and, guys,
but let me...
Mario, you're right.
Yeah, I know you're right.
I don't need someone telling me I'm right.
Let me finish.
Let me finish it.
I'm shocked you come out with such a good point.
Victor Franklin said,
in basically Nazi Germany,
in the Holocaust camps,
he literally said,
true humanity is found
when you're in the most worst situation ever.
That's when you find a true situation.
Yeah, so in terms of, in terms of, okay, Nick, so let's, do you have, you've got a family.
I know you're not married and have kids, but obviously you've got parents, you got brothers,
you've got friends, okay?
So Nick, let's say you're, you know.
Don't attack Nick.
He's not an infestrian.
You're below the line of poverty, okay?
You make barely any money to pay for, to pay to make food, okay?
And you're struggling to find work because the economy is completely fucked, okay?
I'm just saying hypothetically.
I'm just saying hypothetically.
So let's say, let's say, let's say, let's,
Let's say that you're barely making enough money to pay the bills to feed your family, yeah, to pay the bills.
And, you know, I know there's ethical ways of making that money, but let's say the economy is so fucked and, you know, inequality got to a stage where it's extremely difficult to make money and you've got to buy food for tomorrow.
Would you break into a shop and steal food for your family?
Well, first off, I mean...
No, so we're not even...
Let's not do the intro level of class.
We're not even going to that extent.
We're talking about people
that are going out on the street
and fucking firebombing Walmart.
No, I'm not talking.
Nick, Nick, I'm not talking about those people.
That's the thing.
I'm talking about those people.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm not talking about what we're seeing now in France.
My point moved way past that
because I think we've butchered that.
I'm saying that if inequality continues to get bad enough,
I just worry that what we're seeing in France
could become more normal.
And we're seeing an increase.
I've given some statistics earlier.
We're seeing that increase across the world
So I'm genuinely worried and something we haven't discussed.
And we probably should, I'll try to invite Ray Dalio to come on the space to really discuss that concern.
But that for me concerns me even more than immigration and race.
That's my two cents and I'm sure a lot of you would disagree.
Yeah, but immigration is going to exacerbate the cost of living crises in this country.
You have to understand there's some connection.
Yeah, but I've got a question for you.
Like, wouldn't immigration it harms one country a bit but then benefits another country or benefits the people in those countries?
So if you have a country, it's really...
I don't think so.
Listen, I'll give you an example, right?
France has a large Algerian population.
Algeria has a booming natural gas industry.
I mean...
There is employment in Algeria if they sought it out.
That's not what's being done.
Europe was relying on Algeria this last winter.
It's going to be relying on Algeria going forward.
So I just disagree.
You look at some of these countries.
Economic asylum is not what asylum
refugee laws were crafted for.
All right.
So hold on.
Algeria average salary.
Do you know what it is protocol?
Protocol.
I do not off the top of my head.
I'll give you the number.
It's $17,000 U.S. dollars is the average salary in Algeria.
The average salary in France is at $40,000, $40,000.
So, say, $40,000.
And then you've got...
How far does it go?
Yeah, true, true. I've got to look at the P.P.
The purchase power parity.
Unemployment, true, true, true. I'll get you that number.
You're right. I should have gotten that number.
Algeria's unemployment is at 12%.
France is at 7%.
So Algeria is not as bad as I thought, by the way, but still, you're using it not the best example.
I know the biggest immigration crisis Europe faced in our generation is obviously the Syrian war.
And if you compare it Syrian employment rates, Syrian average salary, compared to what the Western world is, it is incomparable.
So that's...
I think it's difficult to argue that, you know, the people in those poorer countries wouldn't benefit from immigrating to better countries.
So, Imario, but you made a big mistake in the numbers you gave, if I may.
Yeah, yeah, please.
What's the...
You're eliminating the native population from that equation.
That should not be the question countries ask.
Are the immigrants going to be...
The average salary should be...
Does the country benefit?
Are we feeling...
It's not 4,000.
Sorry?
It's away from being 4,000.
Sorry?
The average salary in France is 2,500 euros.
It's not at all 4,000 euros, as you said.
That's because when people in Europe talk about salaries, they talk about
post-tax, Americans talk about a pre-tax.
So precisely, I know that.
And the fact is the taxation of salaries in France is so heavy compared to the US.
In France, more than 50% of your salary is taxed.
And Josh, question, but do you think economically, like if someone is, if you're an entrepreneur or just want to get a job,
do you have a better chance of making money?
Based on purchase power parity, like the ability of that, what you could buy in that country.
Would you have a better quality of life in France or Algeria?
I'm not saying this is a reason for you to accept.
I think the French should vote on immigration.
You guys, it's your country.
You guys decide.
But just having a discussion.
Yeah, go ahead, George.
In France, they have better opportunity.
But the fact is the Algerian immigration doesn't come to France for opportunities to work.
They come to France for the social rights they acquire by stepping a foot in France.
that's what I'm trying to say.
It's a separate discussion.
But I think George, I think no one would disagree that you as a country, any country,
you guys decide, you know, how's how democracy works, you guys vote and decide, you choose
your leaders that will decide immigration for you.
So no matter what's better for the world or what's better for other countries, that's
your decision at the end of the day.
Yeah, but that's not that easy because the same way you had the midterms in the US.
And the debates were crystallized around abortion that enabled the Democrats to not lose that many seats.
You know that as well as I do.
Sometimes people don't vote for their interest.
They vote because they're directed towards...
George, question to you, George.
Do you think...
I know, Yazan, I'm going to go to you right after,
but George, the question to you is,
do you think if prosperity, if economically,
France is doing better,
if a country is doing better economically,
and everyone's living more comfortably,
is better equality...
Do you think immigration will be as big of an issue versus if a country is not doing too well,
if a country is struggling economically or inequalities is on the rise?
So what I mean is that, go ahead.
Sure.
And this is what I try to formulate so far, because you have to take into consideration factors that are non-economic.
And you are very, this all, not everything revolves around this.
you have to take into consideration the factor of identity, the factor of culture.
And this isn't explained by numbers.
And this is a very old debate between the French and the Anglo-Saxon world.
You know, in 1918, Keynes wrote a book that was called The Economical Consequences of Peace,
you know, about the Treaty of Versailles.
And there was a French guy that answered him in another book
that was called the Political Consequences of Peace.
This is just to highlight the fact that not everything, actually, not everything must be looked at through the economical prism.
Because the French people as a whole must preserve its identity.
So even though the French were in economic bliss,
they should still need to take a look at their identity and to preserve themselves.
I think, yeah, George, I think the point you're making is that economic factors are not the only reason for, let's say, revolution.
Let's take a step further, beyond riots.
And Yazan, I'm going to get your thoughts on this right after.
Economic factors are not...
are not the only, but I would say that the main one.
Like there's a study I'm trying to find the source of it that says,
but if you look at the revolutions throughout history,
60% of them are because of economic factors,
and the rest are political factors is 20% social factors,
is 15, and military factors is 5.
But, Yazan, I'd love to get your thoughts on this particular point.
And it's kind of, you know, how that relates to France is,
is obviously looking at what's happening right now,
and how big...
of a role as race playing in this versus other factors,
including economic factors?
And then is there that concern of that happening in other countries
because of the inequality we're seeing
and the economies aren't doing too well?
Yes,an?
I do think economical factors do play a role in what's going on, but they're definitely not the main driver.
Like if you say, you know, the top 1% top 10% control this much of country's wealth or whatever,
but do people have a chance to make it to be top 10% or top 1%?
That's the question.
in many countries that's achievable.
Like, I'll give you an example.
I lived in Germany.
I know a lot of people that made it from nothing.
You know, you can say that.
When you say,
I know a lot of people that made it out of nothing.
Anyone could say that anywhere.
It doesn't mean it's easy in Germany.
Like, I just gave you the percentage of equality.
Like, making money is just,
I don't care what any rich person says to seem cool.
Making money is very fucking difficult if luck is not on your side.
It is difficult.
I'm not saying, you know,
those people that are making billions,
but I'm,
specifically speaking about being able to make it if you, you know, grow...
Have a family, have a home, have a life.
It's okay, exactly.
Like, I'm just talking about basics.
This is the main issue.
When you don't have the basics, you have a problem.
Like, what am I talking about?
Having a roof on top of your head, being able to afford food, support your children, do the basics.
you know, stuff for life that you need for life. When you're unable to do that, that's where
problems begin. And that's where frustration begins. And people start to be willing to do anything
to change that situation. And that's where you see the most common issues begin with. They start
getting into illegal activities, things that can generate more income. And that's a fact. It's not about any
any specific religion, those things happen everywhere across the world.
Whatever you see, I cannot make it.
I cannot put food on my table.
I cannot feed my children.
I'm going to find something to do.
And often they get, go ahead.
I was just to hop real quick.
And for immigration, a couple of points up, for immigration,
well, you always have to look into who benefits immigration.
And you look at the CBOs from Middle East America,
and it says that it drives down wages for lower and middle class Americans,
according to the congressional budget office in 2020, I believe.
When you look at immigration, a lot of times corporations benefit,
and there's common ground with some are talking about how corporations exploit people.
That's true.
Corporations are exploiting the...
um, the immigrant,
I guess the refugee crisis and the migrant crisis that's going on in,
in, uh,
France and in Europe and,
even at some point in immigration in America as well,
this is an economic issue where corporations are trying to take,
people and make them work for less and exploit their work and labor.
however,
if you're looking at this,
you know,
in terms of a country,
a country shouldn't,
depend on a,
on a GDP or,
about economics.
You should also have a value in what your country represents,
who your people are,
and what your values and...
are so there are there is that fine line and um a lot of times people aren't
voting for more immigration a lot of times people are not fans of that and there's been some
recent polling that's shown that especially during COVID um and that that is still
saved relatively the same of the post-COVID with those polls um you know in terms of in terms
of bringing it back to the inequality inequality is a huge issue but with more immigration you
started more of a stagnation of wages in which
People get employed to do work and labor for less money sometimes because of corporations who want to hire people for less, you know, money.
In 2022, 65% of French people believe that immigration laws should be stricter.
This is up from 58% in 2019 now.
I'm saying like, Sully, whether it's right or wrong, and I want to get Kaiser right after,
because I want to see why he keeps getting kicked out.
I'm curiously what he says.
But Silly, just quick question.
If you look at those numbers, right?
Don't the French decide what they want to do?
Like if they want stricter immigration laws,
that's their prerogative.
Like, who are we to say anything?
Yeah, that's what it is.
If you want stricter, look, my thing is this.
You want stricter economic immigration laws,
like put them in, make sure they're fair,
make sure they're consistent.
And that's cool.
As long as you're not doing it based on basic,
reasons that you were basically being racist or you hate the other race.
As long as you're not doing it for that reason,
because what will happen is a lot of people don't look at the long-term impact.
But that's their problem.
Even if they're doing it for those reasons, isn't that their program, their prerogative?
No, no, yeah, because it is.
And then when their population collapses, then they'll continue crying.
And then what will happen is you'll end up going into race wars.
Because what actually happens in every single country, history shows this.
What actually happens is when there's a collapse, when a country collapses,
irrespective of what position you are, whether you're left, whether you're right, whether you're this, whether you're that.
People forget about all of that and everyone reverts back to type.
There's a significant amount of...
Reverts back to what?
You're proving this point.
revert back to type
so basically people go back
to their own race
and they basically
fight on the racial grounds
yeah we're going to prison rule
I mean you've read
Albert Mimi
the colonize
I have not
no I have a line
Mario don't read
I have a lie
I read business books
I read the books
I read the books that make me money
I don't think this one
makes me money
prodigal
Yeah, I don't think you read any books.
So your point is it's going to collapse anyway,
so bring in more different racial groups
so when the prison rules break out.
In order to stop it from collapse,
no, no, no, the other way around.
So I'm saying you need immigration
to ensure that it doesn't collapse.
Now, if you're saying you're going to be stricter,
find no problem as long as you take
every factor into consideration to ensure
that your population doesn't collapse and in terms
of having significant immigration
controls there isn't a
immigration crisis in the United
Kingdom I mean we're letting more
Ukrainians in in the last two years than
how's their cost of living
How's their food prices?
Up 20%?
19%.
No, no.
Let's get.
All right.
They don't, you know, but no, the prodigal, this is my problem.
People cry about immigration.
They ain't talking about the Ukrainians.
We know who they're talking about.
And you get, the Ukrainians are the ones who are they talking about.
Salih.
Well, they're talking about basically dark immigrants, isn't it?
With all my business.
So hold on.
As Nick spams our pin tweets, let me ask Kaiser.
Kaiser, what are your thoughts that keep you banned out of the panel?
Well, it's kind of important real quick.
Before we do get Kaiser in here, because I want to let you know,
the reason I did pin this tweet is because there is a lot of activity going on tonight.
We're looking at the pin tweet actually includes Marseille, France,
where they're experiencing intense riots.
We're talking about looting car dealerships.
And the worst thing that we've seen there is a gun store has been raided.
And now you have a bunch of rioters that have arms and down.
That's going to give them more economic opportunity to address the social economic issues.
Hey, I saw that.
Oh, Jesus.
It's also worth mentioning that Marseille.
Marseille, real quick, Mario, Marseille is...
One of the largest immigration hubs in France, okay?
The Algerian population there is massive.
And they have had increasing immigration problems and crime problems there recently.
And so that's interesting.
What's the numbers, bro?
Nick, what's the numbers?
I guess Marri doesn't ask that.
I was googling it
so I was about like no jokes really as you're saying
I was actually typing it up to find the numbers
Marseilles he wins actually
nice try Sully but Nick just crushed you
Nick fact checks
I'm not saying he's at 440
Mercedes at 100
Nick didn't know the numbers
He just read it somewhere and put it on that
You don't need to know the numbers
I think if you know he has his own sources
I think it's called a verifying
Yeah he can he can mention information
He can mention information from valid sources
COVID would be as well
And you know the numbers were real
And so many people were dying
And you know let's not check the number
I have number.
Let me give him numbers because he doesn't know how to Google.
Marseilles, I have them too, thank you.
142,000 in Marseilles, 120,000 in Paris,
53,000 in my...
But that's not percentage.
Funny enough, like we need to see percentages of the population
because obviously Marseille has a bigger population.
In Marseille, you have approximately 800,000 people
that live there, okay?
In Marseille.
And of these 800,000 people,
you have approximately 200,000 that are Algerian.
Meaning that you have one quarter of the Marseille population, that is Algeria.
That's 33 legions, people, if you speak wrong.
And that is only speaking...
Okay, so hold on, hold on.
So, this is crazy numbers.
Hold on, this is...
Sorry, sorry, but that is only speaking of the Algerian population.
You have the Moroccan population,
Tunisian population, and the sub-Saharian population.
that you have to take it.
George, over what time period did they come over?
It's in a...
How is he going to know that answer, Salaman?
It's from 2020.
You know, Suleman, Suleman, you ask for numbers,
they are given to you, and they're not from the 90s.
Okay, they're from now, from two years ago.
So because they are problematic...
So, because they are problematic...
George, are you saying 200,000 people have come to Marseille in two years?
What?
Yeah.
did you just say that the 200 i'm saying that that figure of 200 000
what period have they come over?
And I explain why I'm asking that question
because Mario thinks it's not relevant, but it is.
Because, of course, people have come over a significant amount of time.
Like, I'm in the UK, but I'm third generation.
So my parents came in, my grandparents, sorry, came in, like, in the 1960s or whatever it may be.
So me, when you're going to add me to a figure, it's very much different than somebody who turns up in 2020.
So when I'm asking you that question, I'm saying the 200,000 people that you're referring to, when...
Did they come?
I don't know.
I don't know.
So are you talking, are we talking about Marseille, by the way?
Marseille, yes.
Yeah, yeah, Marseille.
So, Marseille, okay, let me get you some numbers.
So obviously, what determines if someone's Algerian and North African,
I'll have to check that.
But Marseilles' number, but these numbers are pretty crazy.
Where's Marseille has just disappeared?
Marseille is a 32%
But there's another one that if you look at, if you go up,
I say it's really small compared to others,
if you go up, San Denise is at 42%.
Leblanc-Mess-Nille is at 40%.
Are these estimates, Mario,
because George said earlier that they don't do census on race.
I don't know.
Who doesn't do census on race?
I'm sure there's some.
There might be other organizations.
There's a million, there's many other organizations.
If you look at North Africans,
North Africans in San Denise is at 53%.
Let me see, what is the population?
Stop, every town you're listening, every city is on fire.
Why are you trying to rub it in and pretend like, oh, look at how many migrants are here?
No, no, I'm not rubbing it in.
Okay, Mario, may I jump in.
Let me, let's get, let's get.
This guy, man, you've got no ethics.
Guys, go.
Let me jump in, Mario, before our prodigal goes on.
So, thank you, Mario.
First of all, thank you for getting the mic here.
I mean, and I have to say, Mario, it's a very complicated discussion and matter.
and it needs an honest discussion.
Actually, Mario,
you're making the best points
in this discussion.
I have to be honest.
Because the problem here is...
there are a lot of bad phrases
Kaiser you talk a lot of sense bro
no no sir this is called
sulemen this is called pantering to the host to make sure you always come up on stage
it's a very smart strategy
continue Kaiser
I'm never smart strategy
ah man you are
so smart the Germans don't
guys guys guys guys guys let's
I jocks aside let's see the point I see the point
go ahead Kaiser
alright so I've never
Okay, no, no, Mario, never pandering.
I know, you don't even follow me.
You don't even follow.
Oh, you follow me now.
Oh, cool.
No, I follow, yes.
Thank you.
Obviously.
So the thing is, for example, let's take, I mean, yes, I would totally like you.
First of all, it's not a Muslim thing.
So get it out of the system here.
You know, it's not all the Muslims are writing.
Very important.
Okay.
But then again,
But all the writers are Muslims.
Oh, hold on, George.
So George, George, do we have a percent,
Kaiser, I'm going to let you,
just let me ask question to George,
and I'll let you answer George,
and then Kazi continue.
What percentage of the rioters are Muslim?
I don't know, but I'm curious, George, do you know?
You have so many videos.
So many videos, yeah, okay.
Yeah, so first of all, they come.
Okay, George.
They come from December.
My friend, mon ami, I'm from Germany.
I'm from Germany.
We have also a lot of myself.
So you're from Germany, I'm from France,
and we're speaking of friends here.
Okay, but you're saying it's a muscle tree.
Whoa, we fought two World Wars over there.
Guys, guys, seriously.
the guys attack him now guys please continue but marri do you see here okay don't let the
friend ask you you know they're going to let him finish but but marian you see that's the problem
here it's a disson discussion from every side so look even if if all the writers would be muslims
how much let's say how much share would they make up of all the muscle population and force so you see
you can spin every statistic as ever you want
I'm living in Frankfurt, Metro, actually in Offenbach.
We have 80% of the population here is with migration background.
It's fucking peaceful here.
So every country has certain dynamics.
So there is not one immigration crisis.
Every country has certain dynamics.
There's a reason why what happens in France happens in France.
And that has been boiling for a long, long time.
I remember the movie, George, you will remember it as well.
Lahane, very great movie, actually watched it from 95.
In English, it's called hate.
The same scenario.
The same scenario.
Basically, what you've seen there,
a young guy is being killed by the police and the riot start in the Paris Band-Ures.
95 movies.
I hope Germany burns next.
Just hear you.
No, no, no, no.
Prodigal, Prodigal.
Chrysor, Prodigal.
Progagal, I'm trying to help you not get cancelled, man.
Kaiser, go ahead, Kaiser.
But the thing is...
I'm not trying to make money off the Kaiser.
Obviously, it's also important.
Respect the land of the laws.
Very important.
So, anyway, Portigal and Mario, the thing is...
There's a certain reason why what happens in France,
it will never happen in Germany.
It will never happen here,
due to a various combination of reasons.
And the most important one,
and I do think it's socio-economic.
What happened in France is we have created
an underbelly of society.
And France is actually a very classist, elitist society.
And Yassam was actually alluring to it.
The strength of Germany always was,
we have a very strong, let's say, working middle class.
so as long
obviously as the economy is going well
that was the strength
that didn't mean that we have integrated
George did you let him talk smack
about France like this man
I don't know Kaiser Kaiser finish off
Yeah, okay. So, and my point basically being is, yes, it's socioeconomically driven.
These problems have been existed in France for the last 40 years.
And the severity of today, and I know the riots in the 90s.
The difference is just back in 90s you didn't have social media.
That doesn't mean that I don't want to small talk or to these riots here.
And they're absolutely...
There's no justification for that.
But to say it's a Muslim thing is wrong.
It's better to say it's a cultural thing, because that's what it is.
Maybe it's a cultural thing.
In Germany, we have a lot, the biggest, let's say, Muslim group are the Turks.
You would never see that.
You would never see that happening here.
Those are law-ab.
Because they make money off the kebab.
They make money.
Anyway, Mario, I will continue to listen.
Yeah, join.
Actually, you're spot on.
I'm always spot on, man.
I'm glad you see it.
Look, guys, I'm going to do it.
We haven't done, we haven't done a, we haven't done a subscriber.
We haven't done a subscriber space in a long time.
So I'm going to do one now.
So for anyone that doesn't know, we do subscriber only spaces.
Okay.
on my account, usually we do them after space after the main space.
And usually those are unrecorded, uncensored,
and we don't even talk about a specific topic.
We kind of shoot the shits and argue.
So we haven't done it in a while.
I'll be in France tomorrow.
Who's speaking now?
Can you hear someone speaking, Salaman?
Who's Nick?
Who's Nick?
I thought Nick is on Air France right now.
Yeah.
But yeah, are you gonna jump...
Mario, can it...
I was just in Paris last week.
I'm telling you, I regret not being there right now.
Oh yeah.
Anyway, Kaiser, you made some great points.
You didn't have to talk with Mario.
You've earned your right to come back again.
Don't talk up to the guy, bro.
It's all right. It's all good, bro. You're back.
See how he keeps muting you, Kaiser and look at Slaman.
How dirty players.
Sala, man, don't do that.
Dirty player.
Mario, I just want that one statistical figure.
Very important.
Yeah, I'll give you one that's very important.
Mario is right 100% of the time.
What's yours?
Okay, one figure here, because let's call a spade a spade.
The problem is immigration, immigration, as it's tapping right now,
and everyone is blaming Merkel, you can do that, I don't care.
It's not, let's say, it's not very positive for the macroclimic outlook.
The problem is, in Germany, a figure was released recently.
Of all the, let's say, net migration from outside the European Union since 2016, into Germany, 3.2 million, only 25% of those people have a full-term job, basically means social security jobs.
paying job.
So you're paying into social security.
That means you're full time.
That's a problem.
We must call it out.
And this is where the liberals in Europe are turning a blind eye to it.
Thanks, sir.
So, I mean, thank you, my pleasure.
Let's do the subscriber only space.
So guys, I'm going to start it in like right after this and immediately start it.
And Yazan, you could, you could jump in as well there.
I know you haven't spoken here, but it would be good to get your thoughts there.
But again, it's kind of more shooting the shits and just relaxing and talking about anything we want to talk about.
Yeah.
You don't have to, like, do that's
He didn't speak, but, you know.
Oh, he did speak.
You don't have to,
you can't make you spend a dollar,
so they make a decision, like, you know.
All right, anyway, guys,
if you want to jump into it,
I'm going to start it off now.
See you all there.
See all there.
Let's get it off now.
So, everyone, subscribe, only space.
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