I'm still waiting for Charlie to join.
and just hope this works. Oh, I, I, this is the first time I'm using it by the way. Okay, so Charlie, I'm gonna make you
co-host. That works. My app just crashed. So it's also not unlikely that it's going to crash again. Apologize for the inconvenience in case it does.
Okay, Charlie, I invited you to be a co-host.
Okay, now I can now you're all eager
Can you say something? Can you hear me? Yes. No. Okay. Oh, actually, it just says I'm still a listener. Let's go. Let me see if I can order these buttons.
do. We can invite co-host. Yeah, I clicked that and then nothing happened. Okay, that's good. Or I accept to be invitation anyway. We're still very far away.
from the actual metaverse. Even if the R app takes half an hour to actually just open up and Twitter just doesn't do anything when you try it's
That's crazy amount of it.
stuff that still needs to be done to make it
Okay, I'm just clicking through different things.
I can add reactions. Fantastic.
Okay, I think this is also recording now. So everything that we say will be in the cloud for at least 30 days, but probably also longer. And we don't know for how long. So let's just back straight in.
I mean, we did have a little bit of an intro just now just talking to each other. If you can't hear me by the way, or if it's like some externalized but email. Yeah, that you know. Okay, cool. So yeah, thanks so much for taking your time and joining us.
I think we'll probably go for about an hour and then like go into different directions and see what a conversation with the topic in general or like stuff that I wanted to generally talk about more like explore.
with you and also just for everybody who
shooting in later or listening to the Flare Childeves co-founder of DeepBark Studio has previously had
several businesses that he created himself and has extensive knowledge and can freelance life, but also in optimization work and most of the work kind of optimization of
work habits came through or your like research or interest in in deep work. So even the even the name came from you.
So that's kind of what I know. I mean, obviously I know a lot more, but I think it's like go through a lot of different things now. So yeah, maybe let's just get started with the past you.
I had a lot of interesting experience as positive and negative in the past when you had different jobs and you were higher than you also in kind of an interesting
family where that kind of very work related to your, that is an accountant or like has it on accountants, the agency that gets right. And yeah.
I think you're probably the the only person I know who has explored a lot of the like benefit and policies of running your own business. So how did you kind of navigate through that world of being hired as a
as a person but then also like starting your own businesses. There's a lot of things probably that kind of touch on that right? Yeah yeah that makes sense. Yeah to start off if I've hardly ever actually had a job I had like a short job when I left school and I also worked as a
So I don't really count that as a real job, like I've hardly ever ever turned up to an office and done what people traditionally think of careers, apart from working as a phone salesman in phones for you in the UK, which is probably the worst job ever.
my life. But to give like a rundown about, it's now almost actually, oh no, the longer than maybe 12 years ago when I was working as a sailing instructor and I was finishing university and I remember thinking, I could either be a sailing instructor
instructor for the rest of my life or get a real job and I was put off by a real job because you only got about six weeks holiday a year and I just thought that was pretty terrible when I wanted to go sailing and kite surfing and windsurfing at the time so it was like purely easy
the artistic or this idea that I could just start a business or go freelance instead. And that's what I did when I went back to my third year of university. I started a social media marketing company. The only skills and qualification I had was the fact that I
was on Facebook and Twitter, which is ridiculous, but that was all required at the time when I could start pitching to set up businesses, social media pages, and that led into then learning a lot about digital marketing and creating websites.