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Freelancer Friday with General Magic, Giveth, Supermodular & Gitcoin
Recorded: March 17, 2023 Duration: 1:00:12Space Recording
Full Transcription
Hello, Gloria, welcome.
All right, Gloria, I've invited you up to come speak.
Hey, hey, girl.
Hello.
This is Rachel here on the Opalist account.
Good to see you, Gloria.
Nice to see you again.
Happy to be here.
Same.
I'm just going to give everyone about like five minutes or so to join in.
We might start between like 2.05 and 2.10 just to give everyone a chance.
That works.
Yep.
And if everyone here can just tweet the space out, I'd really appreciate it.
Hello, welcome everyone that's joining us.
Trying to get all of our speakers up here right now.
What's going on, Gary?
What up, what up?
Things are good.
Oh, wait, they...
How do you pin stuff on Twitter Spaces, by the way?
So I'll make you a co-host if you want to do this, Gary.
Um, so what you do is you go to the tweet that you want to share or pin, and then you click
the share icon and share it on the Twitter space.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, I actually, I just taught Amber that the other day.
It took me a while to figure it out.
Wait, click new share.
You know that upwards arrow to like...
Twitter sucks.
Twitter's UX terrible.
Wow.
Okay.
We're going to give everyone about five more minutes to come in here.
I'm just going to get Griff and Kevin up real quick.
I think Kevin was struggling to find the link.
Happy belated birthday, Gary.
You too.
How are you doing?
How was the birthday?
Birthday was awesome.
Wait, whose birthday was it?
So Gary's was yesterday, and then mine was the day before yesterday.
Oh, well, happy birthday to you both.
Thank you so much.
Happy belated birthday.
You know what I just realized, too?
We are all getting green-pilled here today on St. Paddy's Day.
How cool is that?
Love it.
Love it.
And Chicago is the city that dyes the rivers green that happened last week.
It was pretty fun.
All right.
I'm going to take another minute or two here just to help Griff and Kevin get on to our spaces.
Give me one sec.
How do we turn the music?
Wasn't there, like, a music thing for, like, a minute?
They turned the disabled.
Yeah, let me find that again.
And by the way, Rachel, when you're setting up the Twitter space, do you have to pre-select the recording thing?
Yes, you do.
Wow!
So, when you're posting a space, when you schedule it, you have to click the recording option.
Wow, this is just like blockchain, where we can't reverse our decisions.
Amazing.
Great.
Okay, I'm bringing Kevin up to speak.
Welcome, Kevin.
Just giving everyone a minute or two to get on.
If everyone here wouldn't mind, please share out this space so we can get the most amount of people here.
What's up?
Got some familiar folks in the crowd.
What's up, Jeremy?
Toad?
Toad?
Ron?
Got some awesome people here.
Gloria, do you know when you're doing the Montenegro yet?
Yeah, so Public Goods Week in Montenegro is April 12th through 15th.
Are you going?
Are you thinking about going?
Well, I'm there the whole time.
I'm, uh, I'm rooming with Kevin.
Just kidding.
If only.
That was only in Amsterdam.
I've had to share many spaces with Kevin and other people from our GetCoin crew, and, uh, or Supermodular crew now.
And, uh, it's always fun.
It's always a good experience.
I like being, like, in communal spaces with people.
Totally.
That would be fun.
Definitely.
Good to play the game.
My game.
My game.
Yeah.
I think your game is fun.
I think we played that at our retreat.
But also when we, like, one thing Web3 or working Web3 has taught me is, like, I really need to up my chess game.
And so I'm really hoping to, like, spend some time doing that in Montenegro as well.
Awesome.
Well, I just tried giving Griff a ring.
Uh, for some reason, he isn't seeing the messages yet.
So, um, we'll go ahead and get started.
And hopefully, Griff will join in the next couple minutes.
We're about 10 minutes in.
Um, so if everyone here hasn't done so already, there's an icon on the bottom right of your screen.
And I know Twitter spaces aren't super intuitive, but if you click that icon, there'll be an option to share out, uh, the space to your network.
Um, so, yeah, we'll go ahead and get started.
Hello, friends.
And welcome to Freelancer Friday.
Today, we'll be recapping our experiences from East Denver.
We'll be reviewing what we've learned and chatting about what's on the roadmap for each of our projects today.
We'll be touching on topics like self-sovereignty and freelance culture in Web3.
And I'm here with some really amazing speakers with some incredible projects in the Web3 space.
I'm here with Gary Shang from Gitcoin, Gloria, formerly Gitcoin, now supermodular, and Kevin Iwaki, founder of Gitcoin and supermodular.
We're also waiting on one other speaker, Griff, founder of Giveth and General Magic, who should be joining us shortly.
Um, without further ado, I'll pass the mic over to our incredible speakers today, and we'll just give some introductions.
We'll keep it between one and two minutes, and, yeah, I'll pass the mic over to Gary.
Thanks, Rachel.
It's fun to be here and just catch up with some people I can't spend enough time with.
Um, I am one of the lead marketers at Gitcoin.
Um, so I focus a lot on the Sybil Defense product, uh, Gitcoin Passport.
Um, it only becomes more and more relevant every day.
And beyond that, I'm just thinking about the future of Web3, because I think the narrative is horrible.
And we need really cool projects that impact real, real people, um, especially in, like, the most, most, like, uh, overlooked, looked in underinvested areas.
So, um, we'll pass it on to Kevin.
Awesome, yeah, thanks, Gary.
We'll pass it over to Gloria next.
Hi, I'm Gloria.
I've been in the builder space of Web3 for five, almost six years.
Uh, I was a former day at Gitcoin, and now I'm at Supermodular.
Supermodular, I usually focus on hackathons or in-life, uh, in-person events.
So, I'm very builder-focused.
Uh, I also, at East Denver, helped put on Shelling Point, as well as a whole bunch of other activations that week.
I was pretty busy.
Um, and then I do help out with the Biddlebox team that is putting on hackathons as well.
Um, so, yeah, you'll probably see me around.
If not, please always say hi.
I love, uh, getting to know people and connecting people in the space with other great people.
Awesome.
Thanks so much, Gloria.
And we'll pass the mic over to Kevin to give an introduction.
Hey, everyone.
I'm Kevin Nowaki.
I am a software engineer and community organizer out of Colorado, SHIELD, Colorado.
And I guess I'm mostly known for being involved in Gitcoin in its early days.
I'm now building a regen venture studio called Supermodular.xyz.
Really excited to be here.
Opolis has been a friend of Gitcoin and now Supermodular for five or six years now.
And always love to support other Colorado companies.
Awesome.
And thanks so much for being here today, Kevin.
I know everyone is recovering from East Denver.
Y'all were so busy at East Denver.
And I just want to express my immense gratitude for everyone that had a part in Shelling Point.
Like, I actually shared one of the tweets that's pinned here is the video recapping Shelling Point.
And I wrote that I've never experienced such a concentrated mass of really good-hearted individuals
who are trying to change the world for the better and create a more regenerative world.
So, if y'all didn't check out Shelling Point this year, definitely check it out next year.
Follow the project and follow what they're doing.
I really believe this group of individuals are working to change the world for the better
and think in a more regenerative way.
Now, also, I want to bring your attention to these pinned tweets.
The most recent one is just resources to get involved with these projects.
And feel free to click these links, to follow these projects and all the speakers today
because they're working on some really amazing stuff.
So, without further ado, let's dive into some of the questions we have prepared today.
So, the first thing I'll ask to our speakers is what were the major takeaways from East Denver 2023?
What do you feel that you got from this experience personally?
And what were the major highlights for you?
And we can start with Gary.
Hmm.
That's a good question.
I think maybe...
Did I share my lessons on Twitter?
I forget.
But I think one of them is that the Green Pill region, you know, Web3 community has grown a lot.
And speaking of Shelling Point, big shout-out to Iwaki and Gloria,
who are, you know, two of the founders of that whole thing.
I was talking to Gloria about how, you know, for the next one in Denver,
it could be double the capacity, which is wild and so true,
and or multiple days, which just speaks to, like...
I kind of always, like, secretly was, like...
Or not so secretly, it was, like, Web3 should just be region Web3.
And everything else is just, like, foundational infrastructure to enable these sort of regenerative coordination games.
So I think, like, maybe, like, a year ago, the first Shelling Point ever, in 8th-Ember 2022,
it was not obvious to many people.
But I think everyone has...
Is, like, yeah, this is, like, at minimum, a big part of Web3.
Like, like, what I said, like, the most exciting thing about Web3.
Got it.
And, Gary, I just shared the Inbetweeners article that you've written.
I wasn't able to locate the lessons you've learned from ETH Denver,
although I took a look at that when you made that.
If you want to share that here, I'd love to share that with our attendees today.
Yeah, sounds good.
Cool. So, Gloria, what were your major takeaways from ETH Denver?
I have quite a bit of them.
You know, Shelling Point was definitely a huge takeaway for me, or just a huge aha moment.
Originally, we were only going to do, like, one Shelling Point ever, which was the first one in Denver.
And I think that one had, like, 700 to 800 people.
And this last Shelling Point that we had, we had over 1,500 people.
We sold out, like, a month ahead of time.
We could have easily had double the size.
The amount of speakers that asked to speak was almost, around 150 people signed up to just ask to speak.
And we only had, like, you know, 30-some-odd slots.
So, I realize now that there's a lot of conversations that are happening and need to be shared and that, you know, there is a mechanism for, or we need to create a mechanism where the stories can get out a little bit beyond just Shelling Point.
And so, that's something I've been, like, really trying to think about, like, how do we take this and continue it so that it's not just a meeting, you know, once every quarter or whatnot, but that these stories still get amplified and people can do the work, you know, within their own communities as well.
But one of the other takeaways that I've had is, like, our space is growing, which is great.
But a lot of times these events are when I get to see all my friends, which is great as well.
And I always think that ETH Denver specifically as an event is a great opportunity to, like, try things out, try things new, and it has, like, a really good innovative feel than most of the other conferences that I've attended.
And so, I'm always hoping that people will continue to innovate on that aspect.
But my favorite parts are always the impact dinners, like just having the small, concentrated groups, getting to hang out with each other.
And for some reason, this year, it was enabled, like, more of those little dinners and hangout spaces.
We had some people at our little hangout house, which is great.
But I would love to have more of those.
Same here.
I went to the Shelling Point VIP dinner.
And I don't know if she's here right now, but shout out to Simona for just being, like, a master organizer.
Like, she really inspired me with the work that she did.
And I just had an amazing time connecting with all these different Regen folks there and just admiring the work Simona did.
Yeah.
So, I'll pass the mic over to Kevin.
Kevin, what were your major takeaways from ETH Denver?
And what was your experience like at Shelling Point?
Yeah.
Well, it was great to see all my friends, old and new, again, at ETH Denver and at Shelling Point this year.
I mean, to state the obvious, ETH Denver has grown a lot.
The new venue is huge.
It was great to have Regenlandia and have all of the impact owls in one space.
Felt like there was a real concentration around that narrative going from Shelling Point to the Regenlandia talks at ETH Denver.
So, yeah, it was good vibes and great to catch up with everyone.
Really excited to see Shelling Point and the Regen movement growing leaps and bounds.
It feels like it's an important narrative, an important story and movement to tell.
So, I'm just happy to be a part of it and I can't wait for the next one.
I think which I heard will be at ETH CC.
That's amazing.
I actually, just to give you a follow-up question, Kevin, I wanted to ask how you envision this event evolving in the future,
how people can get involved, and how you envision this impacting the space.
That's a great question.
Shelling Point is the intellectual property of Gitcoin, which is a DAO that I was involved in starting, but I've since disaffiliated from.
So, you know, I'm trying to give them space to define the protocols and products and programs and engagements that,
just because of the disaffiliation, I'm really looking at the marketing work stream and the memes work stream to figure out what the next chapter of Shelling Point looks like.
So, I'll not opine on that and I'll instead say that the broader Regen crypto movement is growing a lot.
There's a lot of people who are working in order to create crypto being more...
Oh, the mic cut out.
Oh, sorry. Can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you now.
Yeah, so there's a bunch of different movements, the Regen movement, the Refi movement, the Impact DAO movement,
and mostly I've just been trying to stoke those ahead with the Green Pill podcast.
And there's now a movement to get a Green Pill China and a Green Pill India and, like, local chapters of the Green Pill meetup to happen all over the world.
So, just trying to cultivate the coherence of a global Regen movement is what I've been up to.
But the future of Shelling Point is definitely up to Gitcoin DAO.
That's amazing. And I just want to take a moment, Kevin, to just commend your efforts on the Green Pill Regenerative Cryptoeconomics book.
You know, when I met you at the VIP dinner, I had this book with me.
I've kind of just had it with me ever since I've discovered this.
I feel like I've just learned so much about regenerative crypto economics, Impact DAOs, positive sum games for individuals.
And it really is, in my opinion, just a work of art and I love the book so much.
So, I'm excited to see future iterations of this.
Thank you so much for saying that. It really means a lot to me to hear that it's had an impact on people.
But I just want to say that I'm standing on the shoulders of giants.
The Green Pill book is a mile wide and an inch deep.
There are a bunch of people who did the primary research on all the things, the block sciences of the world, the optimisms, the vitalic buterans.
And I can only take a really surface amount of credit for bundling it up in a mimetic package.
It's the work of a lot of great people and researchers.
So, I'll pass your compliments on to them.
Awesome. Yeah, I had this with me.
I actually interviewed Griff Green at East Denver and talked about his passage.
It's all coordination in one of the forward sections.
And yeah, guys, anyone listening to this, there's just so many gems in this book.
I'll actually try and locate the link and share with you all to order this.
Green Pilled, How Crypto Can Regenerate the World.
Amazing book.
So, the next question I have, and I'll just leave this open-ended for all of you.
Let's talk about what the future for each of your projects looks like.
So, what's on the roadmap post-East Denver?
I guess we can open this up for Gitcoin, Supermodular.
We've already touched on Shelling Point.
So, for Gitcoin and Supermodular, what does the future look like?
So, for Gitcoin, the big campaign that we're running is a campaign to awaken people to fund what matters.
And part of that is, part of how that manifests for Gitcoin is we're going to run another grants round.
So, we did an alpha round about a month and a half ago.
And we had a lot that we learned from that.
Lots of bugs, quite frankly, that we're trying to iron out for the next iteration.
And the sort of thinking is that we need to dog food our own products if we want other people to use it.
So, we're not hoping.
We're going to make sure that this coming round is much smoother than the first round.
So that we have, in a year from now, dozens of really big ecosystems using our Gitcoin grant stack to run their own rounds.
And then, part of how that runs smoothly is Gitcoin Passport, which keeps the round Sybil defended, Sybil resistant, is also a smooth experience.
And it wasn't in the alpha round.
And I'm happy to kind of admit that on behalf of Gitcoin.
And then, just like, on my own personal notes, like, a few things that I'm exploring is, like, what does the future of living look like?
Like, I have friends that have, like, property in different parts of Latin America that want to understand, like, how can we, how can a village co-govern its, how can a village peer-to-peer govern itself?
And what else?
Like, I'm thinking a lot about how do we use Web3 to turn Gen Z impact, like, people that don't even want to be influencers, into people that are extremely well-funded to do their local, hyper-local work.
So, I was talking to an affiliate of PBS with Johnny in the audience yesterday, who is very interested in exploring how we create, like, almost like a meta-label for basically putting a spotlight on and media training Gen Zers that are doing local community organizing.
So, and that's just, like, scratching the surface of different projects that I'm, you know, I'm really excited about diving deeper into this year.
Yeah, and Gary, I just want to commend you on your journey in Web3.
Like, you're one of the first people I really connected with.
And I just admire the work that you were doing at DreamDow and really putting an emphasis on bringing in the next generation of builders and making sure that they're well-versed and educated.
So, I've always admired the work you've done, you know, being in the alchemist group together.
You have just grown exponentially and you put out really good quality stuff.
So, thank you for continuing to build and to educate, you know, the next generation of builders.
Yeah, thanks so much.
And just on the brief note about DreamDow, you know, happy to say in kind of similar vein to Milwaukee, disaffiliated from DreamDow,
but, like, some of my mentees who I spend the most time with are leading it now.
And they just, like, they ask me for advice whenever they need it.
But they're good.
They're innovating beyond what I was able to do.
So, I feel like kind of a proud parent.
That's amazing.
So, Gloria and Kevin, for anyone that wants to take this, what does the future look like for Supermodular?
Kevin, you want to take it?
Yeah, sure.
So, we are building a Regen Web3 venture studio, which just basically means that we are building narratives and experiences that are involved with the Regen Web3 crypto movement.
So, a couple of examples are we just published two, self-published two books at Youth Denver, one called Infinite Garden, which was all about Web3 in an evolutionary lens as, like, a bunch of fauna and flora that are building on top of each other and interoperating and cooperating and competing in this, like, really beautiful Infinite Garden meme.
And then we released a book called Stuff Crypto OGs Know, which was all about things that people wish they knew in their first cycle of onboarding into crypto.
You know, what if we could onboard people into Regen Crypto instead of letting them fall into the traps that we all fell in when we first got into crypto?
So, education is one part of that.
And then the other part of that is building software products that actually allow us to embed public goods funding into our town squares, do quadratic funding in new and interesting form factors.
And also building hyper certs, a new protocol on top of a new protocol for creating impact.
So, one-half software, one-half narratives, and 100% fun is what we're going after.
Gloria, you want to extend that?
Yeah, no, I think that that is just spot on.
For me, I'm always trying to get more builders in the spaces from all different types of backgrounds.
So, with Fiddlebox, I'm always trying to encourage people to use that as their hackathon platform and trying to get involved in as many different types of ways to run successful events for hackathons on the grounds and for virtually.
And then, of course, I'm helping lead with Zuzalu that's happening in Montenegro.
So, we'll be there for the Public Goods Week.
If you're there in Montenegro, please feel free to hit us up.
It should be a lot of fun with lots of good talks and workshops and, of course, hanging out and networking.
So, that's my next couple of months looking right now.
Awesome, and I really love just the literature and the style of things, that supermodular, Gitcoin, Shellingpoint, that this β oh, Griff is actually calling me now.
I think Griff is going to join us.
Awesome.
So, yeah, The Infinite Garden.
I also have another book.
I think it's really obscure, but I got it at MCON, too.
It's The Future History of the Open Internet.
I really was inspired by this book because, you know, I'm just like an art nerd at heart.
So, I love the design.
I love the implementation of, like, sacred geometry.
And I feel like there's really an understanding of how to get ideas out there through art, right?
And ever since listening to more of Kevin's content, I've really been influenced by the solar punk movement
and how we can put art and design out there that can help plant seeds for a better, more regenerative future.
So, I really love β I just think Gitcoin, Shellingpoint, this whole Greenfield movement has really nailed the imagery.
Can I jump in on that?
Sure.
So, I completely agree.
I've been super inspired by Kevin and Octavian and Colton and a bunch of other people that are actively putting out new art in the space.
There's not nearly enough.
There's not nearly enough.
And it was cool catching up with β or just meeting β if you all don't know what Big Think is and Freethink,
they're, like, they're sister publications related to the future of, like, a more optimistic path for a future for humanity.
Like, I had a call with, like, one of their creative masterminds.
And, like, I'm, like, planting a seed to, like, do, like, a solar punk art meta label.
So, to be continued in terms of sharing information about that.
But, like, yeah, we need to build on what Kevin and others have been doing already.
Awesome.
Please keep me updated on that.
Any way I can support future iterations of the Green Pill book, Infinite Garden, anything you're working on, Gary, please let me know.
I'm here to support it.
So, my next question, I want to tie all of this back into self-sovereignty and empowering individuals to have ownership of their own employment.
After all, this is Freelancer Friday.
So, the focus on these spaces typically is to talk about how to empower individuals to become self-sovereign.
So, I'm curious how you all see self-sovereignty and ownership of employment playing into the future of work.
And also, just a second on that, how can we use DAOs and collaboration to create a more regenerative culture of employment?
Okay, so this is, like, a topic that I love to discuss because, for those who don't know, like, I fell into Web3 while I was on maternity leave.
I had a lot of time just hanging out with my son, and when I was nursing, I would just watch the core developers call to try to understand more of what was happening in Web3.
And that's how I got to know people in this space was just by taking notes.
And I think that there is a subset of people that aren't able to work in traditional models that could work really well in Web3.
And one of those subsets of groups happens to be mothers who feel like they have to leave the workforce in order to take care of their kids.
I am a single mom, and I have two kids, and I found that Web3 worked amazingly well for me to work there.
And so, I really think that, like, you know, since talent is, like, distributed equally across all different types of people,
like, if you could find the people that are most marginalized and bring them into the space,
it would be one of their greatest assets for Web3 because there's people who, you know, can't work 20 more than, you know, 40 hours
or only need a couple hours or need more flexibility, and bringing them into the space would be great.
And so, if I, like, had a dream job or a dream, like, possibility, it would probably be, like, teaching more moms or women
or people who need to learn, you know, the space a little bit more, like, how to be, like, protocol developers, you know,
or people where there's a great demand for them in the space and taking the time and bringing them in that way
because just letting people have some more autonomy that way is huge.
And then letting people, like, I always had to work in San Francisco working in tech or, like, near San Francisco,
and that was not very conducive to my life as a mom.
But Web3 allows you to work, like, anywhere, and so I'm always excited to see people working all over the world.
One of the great things for me being a builder is I get to see builders from all over the world.
I get to know people from, you know, Latin America and people from Africa who are building
and get to actually see them, like, build things, create things, and, like, have an impact in their community.
And I think that the more people join Web3 and the more that they can kind of have autonomy where they want to live,
the more that they are connected to Earth as a public good for everybody
and wanting to actually, like, make sure that it's good no matter where they are.
Girl, just everything you said, yes, yes, yes, I affirm all of it.
Something you were saying when you were speaking, I just want to quickly just mention,
is the empowerment of marginalized groups.
I think what you were saying about being a single mother in the space, being a woman in the space,
I just want to commend anyone here.
I see my friend Layla in the audience.
Anyone who has children and works in Web3, I just commend you.
Having that responsibility of parenthood, being a mother, being a woman, all of it together,
I just commend you all for doing the work you do.
And I want to just draw attention really quick to one of the pinned tweets I've shared.
Next week, I'm actually hosting the first Women-Focused Freelancer Friday.
So I'm having some speakers like Dr. Kelly Page join, if any of you are familiar,
and Evan from Disco and Boys Club.
And Layla may also be joining as a guest speaker as well.
So please join next week.
I'm open to adding more speakers, too.
So if you're a woman working in the space, please set a reminder and join that one.
And I'll just go back into the question.
So for Kevin, talking about self-sovereignty,
how do you see self-sovereignty playing into the future of work and ownership of employment?
Well, you know, I think that one of the most exciting things that Opolis is doing
is allowing people to take their employment from one DAO to another or one DAO to a company
to a gig project to earning on Gitcoin grants
and to still keep consistent health coverage and compliance with their local authorities.
So the fact that Web3 offers sovereignty of employment and Opolis is a bridge to that,
I think, is pretty powerful.
So we want to enable people to do all the boring but important stuff like getting mortgages
and getting health insurance and car insurance and all that kind of stuff,
even though those things have traditionally been tied to employment,
and Web3 employment doesn't offer those things.
So I think that the Web3 is going to be the internet of money.
We're potentially reinventing anything that is associated with value transfer in society.
And right now people are really focused on DeFi and NFTs for good reason.
But don't sleep on the internet of jobs.
Don't sleep on the future of employment being tokenized and earning via Web3.
And I think that building a bridge for that is an important step.
I don't know what the whole elephant looks like,
but I think that that's an important start.
So keep up the great work.
Awesome. Thank you.
And a lot of us here in this space know about Opolis.
But just to give the brief, TLDR,
Opolis is a member-owned digital employment cooperative.
And what we're doing is aiming to give individuals all the tools that they need to thrive,
to be their own boss, to do work they love,
and to get all of the benefits they'd get at a corporate position.
So this includes things like getting a W-2, getting pay stubs,
access to medical, dental, and vision.
And just basically having all of those things that you need,
all of your boxes of self-care checked,
and all of your human needs in the modern world,
having a W-2, having pay stubs,
it helps so much to just live an abundant life.
I know for me, it's helped me tremendously when it comes to finding a place to live.
Try finding an apartment.
I know Gloria has lived in San Francisco.
Try finding an apartment in the Bay Area with your MetaMask.
See how it goes.
I think having a W-2, having pay stubs,
it really helps you to just do all these human necessities of the modern world.
So if anyone's looking to learn more about joining Opolis,
my account is joined here, RachelRoseB.
You can DM me.
You can DM the Opolis account.
I'm happy to spend time and schedule calls with anyone that wants to learn more about it.
Um, I also lead our Web3 partnership.
So if anyone is looking to partner with Opolis and do some engagements like this,
and, you know, do Twitter spaces or content together, reach out to me.
I'm pretty open to working with new projects.
I'm all about inclusive vibes.
If you are a team that wants to help your individual's earning be compliant,
get benefits, reach out to me and we'll make it happen.
So next, um, my next question for everyone is in what ways can we collectively build a future
that progresses away from hierarchically structured organizations that extract value
and into a culture of work that celebrates independent work?
I think one of the things that is done right now is, like, the mental shift.
Like, both Gary and Awaki, um, both kind of showed how they are disaffiliated from their previous work
and, like, have owned it, handed it over to the DAO.
And so just understanding, like, that DAOs now are running things and are the decision makers
and are the point people, like, that is, um, a narrative that we have to kind of embrace again,
you know, and not thinking that, like, GetCoin is all Kevin's project
or Dreamdown is all Gary's project anymore.
Um, just realizing, like, that the drivers are now different to it
and, like, the benefits that that has.
But the whole landscape is, like, very different, you know, to go from that structure.
So it might take a little bit of a learning curve on that.
Yeah. And for me personally, I think that when I have people who are struggling to go back to work
or, like, trying to find roles, I'm usually really quick to say, like,
hey, let's join a DAO or let me show you what DAOs are and, like, how to get involved
and, like, how to get involved and just the benefits of it.
So I think sometimes highlighting the joys and the pains of what it is to work independently
and just letting, having, like, resources for people to go to to explore it
because I think most people just don't even know it's an option.
Awesome. Thanks so much, Gloria.
And, yeah, Kevin, if you want to take it next.
Yeah, Gloria was just talking about my affiliation from Gitcoin and passing the torch
and Gary's affiliation from DreamDial.
And I just wanted to say to any leaders out there that are thinking about decentralizing your organization,
decentralization of power comes along with decentralization of stress.
So there's high upside to passing the torch and moving on.
So maybe people always talk about why would you decentralize power?
Why would you give up power?
And I just think, like, you know, there's an upside to it also.
So keep that in mind as you empower a bench of leaders in your organization
and decentralize not only the power but the responsibility to them.
Exactly. With great power comes great responsibility.
And in the world of Web3 and decentralizing, it just, it makes sense to eventually pass the torch.
So it's not all coming to you as a central focal point.
And, man, we have Griff Green who's been trying to join as a speaker,
but we're dealing with some Twitter technical difficulties.
So hopefully we can get him up here.
I wouldn't be too stressed, Rachel.
I think, by the way, I think, I can't see a reason why we,
Gitcoin wouldn't be down to, like, help co-host this
if you were down to take lead on it, like, any time, really.
Like, I just feel like this is very important for anyone trying, like,
to get their, like, tax situation and everything under control.
I feel, speaking of stress, I feel much better now that I'm part of Opelous than I used to.
So, that's amazing to hear.
Whoops, sorry, I was muted.
I do feel like that's the case for so many people, Gary.
I hear this time and time again.
I've even heard people say, if any of you are familiar with our ambassador,
Jaris, from Inglisdale, he's one of the folks that say,
I joined Web3 full-time because of Opelous, because I knew this existed, right?
And this is especially imperative for people who have a spouse or have children or a family.
Like, having that security of having benefits, making sure you're compliant with your taxes.
We're in such a new and emerging space.
It's really important to ensure you're checking all of your compliance boxes
and just having your own back when it comes to that, you know?
It makes tax season so much easier to have a W-2.
And we are partnered with an amazing organization of CPAs.
If any of you are familiar with Darien Advisors,
one of our coalition success stewards hosts a weekly Twitter space with them
and answers all of your tax questions.
So, definitely check those out.
And just to dive into the next question, I wanted to ask you all today,
and Griff is still connecting,
in what ways, oh, I already asked this.
So, in what ways can we collectively build a future that progresses away
from hierarchically structured organizations that extract value
into a culture of work that celebrates independent work?
And I think my answer, I'm just going to say,
I feel like Opelous is a huge part of that.
I feel like it gives people the tools to thrive
and do the work that they love without having a boss.
Like, we help you incorporate your own LLC and become your own boss.
And I think the way that it's structured is really rooted
in the democratization of employment and empowering individuals.
So, for me, that's my answer.
I think that we are really helping to build the future of work.
And I'm really open to continuing, like,
doing the community building side of this with other projects
that are doing, like, open source software things, like Gitcoin,
and projects that are doing good things.
I want to continue showing up and supporting you all
on an individual level and on a collective level.
Now, my next question that I have,
I was going to ask Kevin if you wanted to talk a little bit more
about Greenpill.
I know we've discussed this to some extent,
but what was the inspiration for this book?
And can we talk a little bit about regenerative crypto economics
for those just learning today?
Okay.
Sorry, it's a little hard to hear you on my end.
Kevin, you're cutting out real quick,
but I will have to say on regenerative crypto economics,
like, that was a topic that was said in a meeting once.
It's, like, if you don't know what it is, don't feel bad,
because I heard it in a meeting once,
and then I went down this rabbit hole to try to figure out what it was.
And the only reference I could find was, like, last week's meeting.
So it's just a concept that's kind of not really new,
but, I mean, it's just taking concepts from regenerative movement,
crypto movement, and crypto economics movements, too.
I'm sure Kevin will be able to tell it a little bit better,
but one of the things that I've experienced that was really interesting for me
was I was in a meeting at the Capital Institute
that was talking with the regenerative economics people,
so not crypto people,
and I just happened to be in it with some people from the refi down,
and they were just trying to show, like,
what can crypto do from a regenerative standpoint?
And it was, like, you know, the retroactive funding,
the quadratic funding that we do, things of that nature.
And it was, like, kind of mind-blowing.
So these concepts are brand new to even the people
that talk about regenerative economics in general.
But I'll let Kevin explain what regenerative crypto economics is,
because he's much better at it than I am.
Happy to. Is my audio better now?
Oh, yeah, that's much better. Yeah.
Okay. I think I had my headphones in my pocket,
and so you might have been listening to me talk through that.
Okay, so Greenpilled is a book that I wrote in Christmas 2021
and released for East Denver in February of 2022.
It looks like there's a pinned tweet right here
where you can download a free copy.
Was selling it for $13, but happy to give it away for free
if you showed up to the Twitter spaces.
Basically, I'm involved in the founding of Gitcoin,
which is a crowdfunding application that has delivered
about $50 million worth of funding for public goods.
We started in 2017 and grew it all through that market cycle.
As 2019 and 2020 rolled around,
I realized that there were a lot of other people
doing really great work in the Impact Web3 space,
and I wanted to sort of create a piece of content
that talked about the Regen crypto movement.
So basically, I define Regen crypto as a system
that has resource capacity growing over time,
as opposed to a degenerative system
that is losing capacity over time.
And especially Regen systems, I think,
should be resistant to shock events.
So things like these most recent bank runs
or 3AC and FTX, those are all shock events to the system.
I think that if we design systems that are regenerative
and increase not only our financial capital over time,
but our social capital and intellectual capital
and spiritual capital and material capital,
I think that that's the most interesting subset
of the Web3 ecosystem for me.
And so Greenpild was just meant to be an opening foray
in assembling some ideas about that movement.
I have since met hundreds, if not thousands,
of people who are working on Regen crypto applications,
and it just feels way less lonely.
Like starting Gitcoin, no one really got it,
and it felt ahead of its time,
but now it feels like it's of its time
and that we're a part of this groundswell
of people who want to use crypto,
not only to support their families,
but also to make their communities
and the world around them better.
And so that was the genesis of the Greenpild book.
And I also run a podcast called
The Greenpild Podcast on the Bankless Network.
You can go to greenpild.party and subscribe to that.
On that, we're just twice a week
interviewing the people who are making it happen.
So if you're interested in collective intelligence
or regenerative crypto economics
or how the impact dial space
is actually having an impact on the world,
then check out the podcast at greenpild.party.
That's amazing, Kevin.
Thank you so much for sharing about that.
And everybody, to what Kevin said,
there is a free copy of the Greenpild book
that you can download at the top of this Twitter space.
Please check it out.
It's taught me so much.
And I really think what Kevin was saying,
just about having spiritual capital
and creating projects
that build a more regenerative world over time,
like chasing a bag is such like
a instantaneous form of gains, right?
It's more on an individual level
than a collective level.
And I think projects like this,
like Supermodular, Gitcoin, Giveth,
I think these are thinking in a more progressive way
about collective growth
versus just individual bag chasing, you know?
So I really love the cultural shift
that we're trying to implement here.
And for my next question for our speakers today,
this is something at East Denver,
I went around asking people,
Shelling Point actually inspired me
and Greenpild inspired me in multiple ways.
One was creating a coordination game
that I did at Shelling Point.
So I brought out two objects during my talk.
I brought out an object to help the attendees set an intention.
I brought out a meditative sound healing bowl.
And then the second object was a jumbo beach ball.
And I threw it around to the attendees
to have them write their why
and really have people hone in on why they're here
and set an intention.
So I went around the event.
People wrote that there on the ball,
what their purpose of being there was
and how they want to possibly impact the world.
And I'll be tweeting those out.
I haven't gotten to it yet,
but I will be tweeting those out
on how people want to possibly impact the world
so we can collectively manifest positive change.
So yeah, my question for you all here today
is what is your why?
And we can start with Gary.
I was trying to find the unmute button, sorry.
My why is, I wrote this down
so I could just say it again.
Give me one second.
Sure, you need a minute.
Gloria?
Okay, it's to help build and highlight tools
and systems and movements
that accelerate human and planetary flourishing.
Awesome.
So next, Gloria, what is your why?
Yeah, my why is, I guess, pretty simple.
Right now, my immediate why is, of course,
working at Supermodular,
but also I've been part of this whole Redemption DAO
where we're trying to buy some land in the Congo
and buy it for regenerative purposes.
And so being that my whole family is Congolese
and I understand not only the Congolese people,
but also this technology,
that's one of my immediate, like, whys currently
is to see that get off the ground.
But end all, end all, my why is I have two children
and I would really like to leave the world better for them
than I had for it.
So I think it's just really trying to understand
the impact that you make
and the choices that you make
and trying to leave the world a better place
for those who are coming after you.
Awesome.
That's really admirable, Gloria.
I think it's so important, you know,
especially for mothers, for parents out there,
that we leave the world in a better state for them
and they're inheriting a world
that has more regenerative systems in place.
So it looks like Kevin has also dropped off.
So what I'll end with here
before we open this up to any questions
or thoughts from the attendees
is how can one get involved
and get connected with you
and support your project?
Shoot me a DM
and I'm usually happy to respond.
I will go ahead and say
there's like a couple ways to get involved
or I would love to see people get involved.
Of course, watching Green Pill,
like if you are reading Green Pill
or listening to Green Pill
is a good way to get involved
or joining the refi movement in general.
That would be great.
I always say like encouraging people
to set up a grant on GetCoin Grants
just so that they're no longer reaching
in their own pockets to do the good work
but that you can start to fund what you believe
and put your money where your mouth is.
So funding public goods.
And then, of course, I'm going to say biddle.
Like build, build, build.
Whatever you don't see in the world
that you want to see, build it.
Connect with people who are doing the good work.
Yeah, and get those who, you know,
might not be in the space, you know,
or that are marginalized in the space,
connect with them and bring them to the table as well
so that they can build the tools
that are needed for their own communities
and then amplify their projects as well.
So I know Griff couldn't say much
because he wasn't up to speak
but like really check out Giveth.
Giveth is also a great platform to do funding worth
and their rounds are great as well.
I see Manu's on the call too.
So like there's a lot of people in this call
that are doing great work.
I would recommend, you know,
following them on Twitter,
seeing what they're doing
and really start supporting their projects too
because it's going to take a whole lot of us
to make the world a little bit better.
Absolutely.
And with that, I'd like to welcome anyone here
that has any thoughts, any questions
or wants to contribute to the space.
There's some really amazing people here.
I see XO, I see WiggleWorks.
We got our social media manager,
one of our membership success stewards.
We have a lot of amazing people on this call.
Lakoto from CultDAO, what's up?
Oh, let's see.
I got a request from XO.
Or no, Alan.
What's up, Alan?
Hey, good to meet you.
Nice to meet you, Alan.
So I've actually been having a lot of conversations
with Gary on this exact topic
and, you know, sort of an ancillary way.
We have a project that's a real estate-based project.
And, you know, one of the questions has been,
I think, how do you get, you know,
sort of old, you know,
old bulls at the top, you know,
essentially that have been holding a lot of wealth
for a long time to sort of explore
doing things in a new way, right?
So, like, you know,
how do you get, you know,
everybody to be stakeholders
and, you know, get, you know,
sort of a select few to relinquish that control, right?
And so the answer, I actually think,
is kind of beneficial,
is that I don't think that that ever happens.
And by the way, this is a good thing, right?
I don't think that that ever happens
until the technology is able to provide, like,
essentially a similar or even, in this case,
potentially more beneficial, like,
liquidity event, you know, for them.
So, and this is the best thing.
So we were actually talking in Denver about,
just as an example of this,
is, like, Section 8 housing, right?
So let's say everybody wants to do
a social impact project where,
you know, members of, you know,
a particular housing project
have the opportunity to ultimately
buy out their unit as a condo, right?
The capability for a community of,
let's say, you know,
two to three hundred people plus
to do that versus one owner
is actually pretty high, right?
So the technology's just never existed before.
So I actually think that this can happen
through traditional vehicles,
just through careful organization,
meaning, you know,
at the point when an owner normally
has some sort of liquidity event
or a business typically has
some sort of liquidity event,
if the DAOs go into these situations
with the, you know,
with the mindset of doing good,
I actually think that they can structure,
you know, sort of acquisition
you know, to be beneficial
to those owners.
And then, you know,
ultimately that all happens
much more quickly,
if that makes sense.
Absolutely.
And Alan, that sound you heard
was me scheduling some time
with you for next week.
I'd love to just continue
the conversation
and see how we can work together
to support each other's projects
projects and, you know,
build more value creation
in the space
versus value extraction.
That's really something
that I'm fixated on.
Yeah, I love that.
Oh yeah, definitely.
Opolis.
So like,
basically,
one way to look at
what Alan's trying to do
is like a regenerative,
regenerative community
first
Soho House.
And we need
regenerative employment partners
if we want that to happen,
I think.
That's right.
Hello.
We're here.
That's great.
Yeah, thanks guys.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, thanks for coming up, Alan.
And like I said,
everybody,
the floor is open.
There are so many
brilliant minds here.
It's hard to really
wrap my head around
like how many brilliant people
there are in the Web3 space.
Like,
I feel like we're so blessed
every day.
Like,
my calendar is booked
with all of these amazing people
that I learn from every day.
I met with Ron
who authored this
really amazing book.
All of Ron Rivers' tweets
are just really amazing.
Give Ron a follow.
Will T hosts
educational Twitter spaces
every week.
He's another really amazing
person on the call.
Aaron at the
Decentralized Diary.
I'm just shouting out
everyone I love
on this call right now.
Wiggle Works.
Yeah,
Mr. Colt Mander we have.
We have so many awesome people
from Colt Dow too.
Love to see
all of these amazing projects here.
And the mic is open
if anyone wants to come up.
Yeah,
so we have about
another minute here.
Yeah,
floor is open
if anyone wants to request
the mic.
But just to bring attention
back to the pinned tweet
so we can all
get connected,
stay connected,
and continue building
a more regenerative future
together.
Definitely download
the free copy
of the Green Pill book
which is,
you know,
for anyone that joined
our space today.
That's for you guys.
And then next week,
please set a reminder
to join our first
Women's Freelancer Friday.
We'll be talking
about projects
like Disco XYZ
and talking about
decentralized identity
backpacks
and also Boys Club.
And then
the other tweet
I have is
just to get connected
with all of these projects.
I shared a link
for Biddlebox
from Gloria,
a link for Gibbeth.
I actually shared
a link to support
the disaster relief
in Turkey and Syria.
So please check that out
and support
if you can.
And also
just get connected.
Follow all these
speakers here today.
If you want to learn
and connect
with some amazing
regen minds,
these are the people
to connect with.
So with that,
I'll pass the mic over.
Let's see.
Will is requesting
the mic.
I got to run,
but thank you so much,
Rachel,
for organizing.
Let's do it again.
I'll talk to you soon.
And see you, Gloria.
See you, everyone.
Bye.
Bye.
Okay.
And Will,
we're wrapping up
the space
in about a minute,
but feel free to share
any thoughts you have.
Well, you gave me
a call to action,
so I took action.
Hey, how's it going, friend?
What's going on, Will?
Good to see you again.
Yeah, no worries.
Just coming in here,
showing some love,
supporting friends,
and always willing
to learn and listen
and see how I can participate.
Thanks for having me.
Awesome.
Thank you, Will.
I want to be respectful
of everyone's time today.
Thank you all so much
for joining.
Again,
please follow
all of our speakers
from today
and each other,
and let's continue
building a more
regenerative world.
Reach out to me
if you're interested
in joining Opolis,
Rachel Rose B,
or DM the Opolis account
if you want to learn
more about joining.
Thank you all
for joining today.
Bye, everybody.
Bye, everyone.
Bye, everyone.
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