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From Aptos Hackathon to Tech Unicorn
Recorded: Sept. 4, 2025 Duration: 1:19:14Space Recording
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AM last week we talked about the finance and Aaron from Kaila. The energy board very great. The energy board very great.
And today we keep the momentum going. The topic is from after the time to do the call. Basically
how builder can convert hypertech into billion dollars. So let's dive in and just a reminder if you have a question for our speaker
the drop them in slide or link at or raise your hand during the live q&a session
okay one more time waiting for many of you turning into a, let's get started with some.
I think your sound is broken.
Hey, I'm not sure if it's just me, but I can't hear your voice as clearly.
But yeah, I can definitely start off with a quick intro.
Hello, my name is Richard. It's great to be joining the AMA session.
I'm currently working as a TPM, which stands for Technical Program
program manager in the developer relations team here at Aptos Labs.
Manager in the Developer Relations Team here at Aptos Labs.
And I will say the role of TPM is somewhat vague because in essence, you're really doing a little bit of everything from managing tasks to being a devil advocate at times, to also being a sympathetic people manager.
of being a sympathetic people manager.
I'm not sure how deep we need to go in,
but if the time permits,
I can maybe talk a little bit about
how the DevRel team here started at Aptos.
Is that okay?
Cool.
Thank you for being here today. And now we will be here.
You are the founder of MarkoCube,
one of our partners.
Can you introduce yourself and tell us about MarkoCube and the journey so far?
Is it?
So I guess it's my turn to speak, I guess.
So let me introduce myself first.
So I'm Ye, I'm one of the co-founders in Merkle Trade.
And so Merkle Trade is a lever trading platform. We offer up to 150x leverage on a variety of crypto assets, including Bitcoin and Aptos and others.
And we are building on Aptos and we've been building since 2023.
And we did more than 25 billion US dollars in cumulative total volume so far.
And yeah, so I'm very excited about this new hackathon because it was at one of the first Aptos hackathon back in 2023,
where we first showcased Merkle trade to the world.
So that's where it all started.
And I'm really looking forward to seeing exciting new projects
and teams building on Aptos.
If I can pass the mic. And thank you for joining us today.
And finally, we have a Thailith from Amnus Finance.
Could you introduce yourself and about finance with our listeners?
Yeah.
Hi everyone.
I'm Thailith.
Thanks for having me in the Aptos Alpha team.
And I'm a business development lead at Amnesty Finance, where I focus on growth and partnerships.
So a little story, back in 2023, token 2009, I first heard about Amnesty joining the Aptos HackerTrend in Singapore.
And you know what? They actually go into second place in the DeFi track.
And at the time, I wasn't with Amnesty yet. with the gaming space but I remember thinking and because my friends who's a dad at Actoclabs
even showed me a photo of some winners and I saw the Amnit team there and I just think that, oh, these guys are sharp and they really know their stuff in blockchain.
And coincidentally, by luck or destiny,
now I get to work with them every day
and I'm grateful for this journey.
And since then, things have moved pretty fast.
Amis had grown into the leading liquid-staking protocol on Aptos
with more than 150 million in TVL,
backed by investors like Baudelette Capital,
Oakage Venture, and of course Aptos Labs.
And honestly, a huge part part of growth comes to our CEO
and co-founder, Eric.
He's been leading Amish from day one,
but before that, he co-founded Swords Network,
which had raised over 30 million for blockchain projects.
And earlier in his career,
he managed funds at Elias Management
and Nomura in London.
So he brings this really unique mix of trade-file
and discipline and contributor spirit.
So I think that combination of strong leadership, great timing and supportive
community is really what turned Amnesty's form of simple hackathon idea into one of
the flagship protocols on Ato today. That's why they the master story from my side.
Okay. Thank you, Thailis. It's exciting to have you here.
And I'm sure our listeners will learn a lot from your story.
All right. Just walk away through our introduction and getting off.
I'd like to start with Richardchart. Rechart looking at parts for cotton.
Many team build impressive prototype,
but only a few involved in sustainable startup.
From your perspective, what difference is a project
that actually scale into unicorn-level companies
and how that control would create the right environment
for jailbreak through on Aptos?
Yeah, so if I'm not mistaken, we had a fairly successful hackathon called Code Collision
hackathon last year, where statistically we had more than 2,000 registrations and almost close to 700 projects.
So from a number standpoint, it was a great outcome.
But you are right about not having as many projects that really broke out of its MVP shell.
And this year, for this hackathon, we're really positioning differently with several key factors.
And the first one I want to start off with is instead of focusing on broader categories like gaming, NFT, social,
this hackathon is intended to be a single theme hackathon where we solely focus on DeFi.
As a lot of you guys have heard, Aptos has taken the stance of being the next global trading engine,
operating as the backbone to all types of DeFi initiatives.
initiatives, and this is really the direction of our hackathon.
And this is really the direction of our hackathon.
And I believe that even within the DeFi theme itself, there are so many, you
know, innovative ideas like P2P lending to P2P global remnants, vol strategies
on Dex platforms and et cetera.
So there are so many opportunities out there.
Um, second factor is we're really honed in on having as much global coverage
throughout the next month and a half as we have partnered with different regional
satellite partners in Africa to South America, Asia, and Europe.
So although from like a logistics and format standpoint,
it might be a little bit different here and there. The two-day aerial events that we are
trying our very best to standardize across all regions is really meant to be a key to bringing
everyone as we want to give these attendees a firsthand exposure about the hackathon
and more importantly, builders to really share their ideas and getting the support and mentorship
that they might need. And internally, the DevRel team has been keeping ourselves very busy
And internally, the DevRel team has been keeping ourselves very busy as we've been alternating between hosting a tech workshop and office hour every week on Discord.
7 a.m. that is, around different topics like the Circle Wallet support for Aptos tokens
to their CCTP and different dev resources that they have.
And the final factor here is we're really putting in a lot more focus on young builders,
especially those from universities or grads from universities.
We have really solidified some great relationships with
more than 10 schools here in the U.S. as some of these students are still chain agnostic
to this day, which means they're very hungry to learn. And more importantly,
age doesn't really matter as they get to have these chances to make money.
age doesn't really matter as they get to have these chances to make money.
I might be somewhat biased by saying it is a tough job market out there.
But really, the hackathon can be a good gateway for these students to, you know,
start building and be rewarded for their work.
And one final thing to also note is we are about to officially launch something
called scholarship program to the young builders, which will be open, I think in the next two
days. And this is really geared towards these young builders as they really get a chance
to come and attend APTAWS Experience in New York City next month as they get to
be part of the builder program that we are currently planning as well as giving their
projects more spotlights through different initiatives as part of APTOS experience.
Yeah, very great insight.
Thank you, Richard.
And I think that's the great way to bring things from the foundation side.
And now, yeah, let's come to you.
MacroTrend has grown alongside Aptos and become a key partner in the ecosystem.
And from your experience, what guidance would you share with country more participants on turning a hackathon into a true
landscape for building impactful projects hello here yeah so uh i think uh i agree most of the said by Richard. So I think, and I want to add to that,
in the fact that these days,
I think you need to think about the product market fit,
not just within the AppTus ecosystem,
but within a larger landscape of Web3,
or even more like Web2,
because these days it's not just about building
another DeFi ecosystem, same kinds of DeFi ecosystem in every L1 and L2 but it's
it's more about building something people really want and giving them like tangible benefits out of something novel and new.
So people are caring less about seeing the same DeFi Lego blocks, built on every other
ecosystems.
Uh, so it would be not in just the AppTex ecosystem, but I would suggest thinking about how your project will be competitive in the larger scope of audience beyond just HAPTOS.
are a great place or an opportunity to get instant feedback.
And it's an opportunity that you can build some of the craziest creative ideas
and build something totally different. I would encourage the teams to use the opportunity to really experiment new, creative, novel products
and solutions that you normally not have the chance for.
So that would be my advice.
All right, thank you there.
I think it's really valuable for people who are just starting their journey.
We've heard from the Foundation and from Macbook.
And now it's time to hear from Amnesty as well.
Every unicorn story begins with a small step.
For Amnesty, what was the most defining moment
in your journey from an emerging startup
to becoming one of Aptos plastic protocol.
And how would you advise control participants
to navigate a similar path?
Good question.
For us, the defining moments,
which is just about numbers,
they were about mindset shifts.
Our CEO always reminds me that,
I think he reminds me every day
and if I can change my mindset
and I can change my whole path
and always think of one problem with three solutions
and always give one piece of advice.
And I think that's true for Amis too.
The first big step was moving from hackathon speed to production grid.
And the hackathon is all about building fast.
and the hackathon is all about building fast.
But once we had a real resource
and the priorities became security, audits and trust,
that shift really shared who we are.
And another important moment was when
partners started building on top of Anis,
seeing our liquid sinking token interacted into lending,
trading, and other DeFi apps.
That's when we realized AnisVolgen just a product anymore.
It's what becoming infrastructure for the ecosystem.
And finally, having a leadership team
with both Shopify and WebTree backgrounds
made a huge difference.
Our CEO, CBO, and the whole team brought disciplines
from global finance while also embracing
actually creativity.
That balance has scaled sustainably.
And as Richard mentioned, we also recently received
support from Aftos Labs, and we also received
an invitation from Aftos to join their experience event in New York.
And we are really excited about that.
So if I had one piece of advice for control move participants, it would be think beyond the hackathon.
don't just stop at the demo, build with the mindset that project could become infrastructure
Don't just stop at the demo.
and design for trust and collaboration from day one. That's how I see it.
Okay, great point, Thales. I am sure that many people in the audience are already taking a look on that.
And just also the final question for our speaker and just a turn to Q&A session from our listener to speaker.
our listeners to our two speakers.
And if you have any questions,
please raise your hand and request to us,
and I will approve you.
Oh, sorry.
So I guess like my final things I wanna say to the listeners before we go into the q a
session is i don't see like on the more general broader sense like what i really like about
this crypto like web3 industry is that even to this day like there are so many flaws
Like there are so many flaws and imperfections that I see.
There are so many scams, money laundering, KYC problems, and etc.
But on a broader side, this shows that there are so much more things that need to be done here.
Every day is filled with more exciting news.
And I love being in the situation of learning new things every day.
And I like the idea that I'm being part of the industry movement, not necessarily chasing once this industry fully matures.
So I still believe we've got a long way to go. chasing once this industry fully matures.
So I still believe we've got a long way to go, but you know, why not enjoy the ride and, you know, be part of something fun and exciting.
Go out there, have fun, you know, try out as many products that you can in this space.
And we'd love to, you know, see everyone one day, whether it's in Vietnam or
everyone one day, whether it's in Vietnam or Aptos experience.
And yeah, really want to hear about your ideas, what you want to do in this industry and see how myself and the Aptos ecosystem can really support and bring your ideation into real life as we can work together to solve real world problems out there.
we can work together to solve the real world problems out there.
Okay, thank you, Richard. Thank you for your great insight.
And one more time, now let's open the floor to our company, our community.
Just to raise your hand and ask your question directly to our speaker.
And don't miss that, we'd love to hear what's on your mind.
Please raise your hands. So I don't think we have any questions.
Perhaps we could take some of the questions from the
the Slido.
Yeah.
There are a bunch of questions.
Agreed.
Maybe we can move to Slido's question.
So the first question would be for Richard, how will ControlMove help connect those with
investors and mentors? Okay. I would say hackathon is really the top of the funnel approach as part of the developer
and founder funnel that we have set, right?
I don't want the builders and founders to treat this hackathon as like a one-off thing where you simply just, you know, work on the project and make money or call it a day, but more like focus on, okay, how do you build out a project that has a long-term potential where we can help with sourcing the potential and transitioning
your project into the next phase of our ecosystem, which will be like an MVP accelerator program
that Anuia from the ecosystem team has been running. I believe the first cohort has already
started and the second cohort is going to start as soon as the hackathon is going to come to an end.
And I believe we have slotted maybe 20 to 30 spots for this program where the hackathon builders can actually join, get the mentorship that you need.
get the mentorship that you need.
You have a chance to go through all these workshops where you feel confident about the tools and knowledge,
where now you can break out of the MVP shell.
And even towards the end, like you will have an exposure to the investors and those who want to not just incentivize,
but also be a mentor to the projects that you want to nurture in a long term.
So yeah, it's not just the Hackathon, but we have the accelerators.
We also have the incubator program that we're currently planning in parallel.
And also we have some great grant programs that you can also apply to if you feel like your project is fitting enough to apply and you can just go from MVP to a fully flush product right away.
Okay, thank you. I see Koina, you have a question.
Hi, everyone. First of all, great from all the speakers have been listening and you guys have been giving great insight so i have some questions for jay from murgo trade f2 actually so i knew
that murgo trade started as a small project and uh now it's like a really big and close partner of
aptos so what was the most important decision that helped you you grow? And also, what do you think the biggest mistake
of new teams that new teams should avoid when they join a hackathon like Control Bliss move?
So yeah, those are my two questions. Thank you.
Sure. I think, so your question was, what was the most important thing that made us relatively big from the starting point when we were very small, right?
So, I think in the context of hackathons, hackathon was the beginning of our projects.
So we started out with just three team members, Patrick, my co-founder, and there was another team member.
There were just three of us.
And when we started out, we had we had nothing right we had no funds
we we had no publicity we had no brands or um uh whatever so the first step we we thought that was
very important was to get ourselves out there and try to build a product
in the minimal viable form as soon as possible,
and taking that to the hands of the customers or users.
Because getting the feedback from the users is the best way to
build the product um to to really make it uh to to really uh it's a really helpful way
to get your product to a place where you can find the product market fit.
So the hackathon was the first venue that we presented our product, Merkle Trade.
And the first version of Merkle Trade was very different from what we have today.
It was very slow and the UI UI UX was not very well polished.
And we just wanted to get it to the users.
And we tried to iterate on that.
So we iterated on the user feedback and over time we got some users coming in and they
traded regularly on Merkle trade.
So that's how we slowly grew from nothing to what we have today. So that's for sure, I think the most important part.
And I guess the biggest mistake was
spending too much time on the things that didn't really matter in the long-term horizon,
long-term horizon. Because, so you are a small startup. We are still a very small startup.
We only have like eight people in our team. And what really matters when we have limited
resources and limited team members is you really have to focus on something that has
the biggest impact. Because otherwise, there are competitors who might be having hundreds of employees
that are tackling the same problems.
So you really need to focus, find something that really matters,
and set it as a goal across all of your entire team
and really focus on finding solutions to that problem.
So that's something that I think looking back,
we lost too much time on focusing on the things that didn't matter.
Looking back, so I guess focus and focusing on the things that didn't matter looking back. So I guess focus and focusing on the impact,
biggest impact, and getting user feedback and iterating on that is I think the most valuable
lessons I can give to the new projects starting off.
the new project starting off.
Okay, thank you there.
Is there any questions so far?
Or I see Jenny, you have a question.
Yeah, I actually have two.
My question now for Richard.
So the first one is,
I think I'll ask one by one, okay? So the first one is, I think I'll ask one by one, okay? So the first one
is, what does Uptos plan for the teams beyond hackathon? Because as far as I know, many
projects, they only hunt for the fights, but they don't really build much. So what does
Uptos plan for the team beyond hackathon
yeah i think this is somewhat similar to the question that was raised earlier
but i would say there are two things immediately that come to my mind. The very first thing is,
if we're able to source your projects earlier in advance,
and we see the potential of moving to the next MVP bootcamp, we would love to invite you to the Aptos experience
where we can engage with you, interact with you in person, get you being
part of the Builder House program where you get a chance to really showcase your projects to our
DevRel team and also our ecosystem members. And once the Aptos experience ends, then you will get
funneled into the MVP bootcamp. And like I said, this is where you get the mentorship you need.
You go through the workshops from the technical...
I would say it's like an embodiment of both technical and ecosystem components.
system components right we kind of give you a rundown of our basic sdks as well as the token
launch plan as well as we've been very focused on the tg program that was led by maggie
and and finally we also get you exposure to some of the investors and the VCs and other financial
institutions that might be interested in investing in your project if we think it's the right
time for you.
So yeah, it's not just the hackathon, but we have other graduation programs that are
waiting for you on a short-term sense as well as a long-term plan.
Thank you. short-term sense as well as a long-term plan.
Thank you. I think I have one more question.
Just originally, I think that many teams
joining the Control Move Hackathon are students
and maybe like first-time builders.
So what message would you like to give them
about why building on Aos or uh present them on
like a long-term success i guess what message
i would say for those young builders especially ones coming from universities who are not fully
familiar with aptos but who are still interested in getting their first step
into the door by joining the hackathon, just do it, right? Like, don't just, don't have your full
focus on winning a prize per se or making it through, but just get the first exposure that you need, right? We have plenty of other Dev activation programs
that we have planned for you.
You can come to all these office hours
where you get a chance to ask away any questions you might have.
And a lot of the times, it's going
to be led by Greg, who's the head of DevRel.
He's very knowledgeable.
And he really knows a little bit of everything, right? To coming to our tech workshops where now, like with the seed of minds that you have,
you get a chance to learn in more specific and details, right?
So I would say just get yourself exposed first, but don't be hesitant.
Don't miss out on this opportunity as we probably have a hackathon once a year.
So yeah, just get started and we'll make sure to prep you along the way.
But don't think of attending the hackathon, not winning anything as a failure, but think
of it as like a learning experience and really the developer onboarding journey
that you're going through with us.
Okay, thank you, Richard. Thank you, Jenny. Very interesting question and answer.
And anyone else? I see Harry. You can turn on your mic.
Hello everyone, can you guys hear me?
Yes.
Okay, so I have one question for Amnys, because I know Amnys was among the very first ones to
introduce Liquid DD stacking on Aptos. So I want to ask what was the hardest
challenge that you guys have faced?
You mean asking us about challenges we face, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I sent you the after-secondary in Singapore in 2023.
So I missed a chance to go from an early idea to a real product. And that experience has a big part in shipping where we are today.
And of course, we face some challenges like no fundraise and at the early stage,
At the early stage, we don't have many supports and resources.
we don't have many support and resources.
And by Hackathon and Aptos,
they just start at the Hackathon stage.
They continue to provide mentorship and also technical support
and connection to partners so that promising project
can move from demo to products and it applies for Amis too.
And second ecosystem integration, we receive Aptos support to making sure innovative projects like Amis, don't just exist in isolation, but actually plus in to define and introduce a lot of panel ecosystem
in other verticals in in afters panels as well.
That means opportunities for collaboration, liquidity, and exposure to real users.
So we really even challenges, but absolutely support us.
And so beyond the hackathon, it's really about helping team grow into sustainable process that can add long-term value to the Aptos ecosystem.
Yeah, that's my answer.
Okay, but you guys have made it through with Aptos support, right?
So from your old journey, from your old perspective, do you have any advice or supportive things for the new teams that are about to join the control move hackathon?
Yeah, of course.
At Anis, we always welcome feedback from the community
because that's how we keep improving our products and features.
And also, our team always contributes ideas every day.
And our focus is to create a long term value, not just today, but for the whole ecosystem.
Coming up, we also have a program that is specially for AMI holders for our governance token.
It's additional to initiatives like our ambassador program, lotteries, and special API campaigns that are already running.
So at the end of the day, we always keep sharing our ideas.
And also we are building our mix together with the community
and receive feedback from the community to grow every day.
Yes, to be short,
explain the community and stay together, right?
Yeah, stay together. Of course, non-stop booking, non-stop improving.
Look forward for a lot of coming up events.
Okay, thank you for obq and i saw a hand from kika are you still here
hey jim jim okay so yeah i wanted to ask you questions um so apart from congrats like um
meku for like success they've had so far so let's ask a question. So apart from Mechoo Trade,
do we have any notable projects
that have also come from hackathon
to scaling to becoming a big project on Aptos?
And then if they are,
can you highlight some of them for us
and maybe possibly share some of their journeys?
Or can you highlight some of the other projects
that have also come from like hackathon webinars
to scaling on apptools?
Yeah, I would say like one project that comes to my mind
is Panena Prediction from Code Collision Hackathon.
And I believe they won one of the awards.
And one interesting thing about Panena is
they ended up getting investing from different partners
like DoraHacks and other VCs.
And in addition to that, I think it was a very quick journey
for them to be part of our ecosystem as they
really came to like all the conferences and events that Aptos either hosted or we were,
yeah, I think that's like one project that really stood up to my mind. But I guess kind of going back to the second question that I answered, like
we really haven't had as many projects coming out, at least from Co-Collision Hackathon,
where we can say, okay, like we think these are like the next unicorn projects that are
here to stay in our ecosystem.
Because although we had a great number of projects,
emissions and registrations in place, we feel like the next
steps was something that we were lacking. And we really want to
change the nuance of that by giving the project builders and
founders of this hackathon,
like all the support that they need to go to the next stage of the ecosystem.
And they have the motivation, they have the incentives to really stay for a long time.
But for now, like I said, like banana is probably one thing that just stands out, but as of
nothing really else.
Okay.
So let me just ask a follow-up question.
So for this control move hackathon, like how is the team ensuring to like get like quality projects for them compared to the last one,
there were a lot of projects and then, you know,
like you said, there were not really a lot that stuck.
So what was the strategy for getting these projects
to stick and then scaling and then actually like onboarding
and you know, the whole process?
Yeah, well, that's a good question.
So there are different ways to go about this,
but everything kind of goes in sequence, right?
Very first thing is we do not want
to spend much more time on going through the projects that
didn't really meet the criteria, right?
So I think starting this year,
DoraHacks has offered like a Biddle tool
where now we can use like AI feature tools
to really filter out the projects
that have met the criteria that we're looking for
versus the ones that did not meet the criteria.
And even from looking at the current standing,
this Biddle tool was able to filter out
half of those projects.
And before getting to the final stage of the review,
we're also gonna have a halfway midpoint check, right?
I think up to this point,
we have about 50 projects that came in.
And internally, the DevRel team and also the ecosystem team will be doing a pretty extensive
thorough due diligence of going through each of these projects instead of really relying on
external judges. I feel like a lot of the times we are very focused on bringing over these like big name
external judges to get more traction. But I guess we're really focused on
even if it means we're having a small subset of the project submissions, like we
want to do our very best with going through every single one and making sure that making sure the
stores the best ones and start reaching out and giving them the support that they need.
Right. And like I said, our plan is to have the first round of the review of the batch we have
in the first week of September, second week of September, reaching out to maybe
like five to 10 projects from there, and then have a secondary review, maybe like the first or second
week of October in sequence. But we are trying to get things started early in advance so that
we're not overwhelmed with a list of like hundreds of projects and missions, like by the time like
the hackathon ends so we're
trying to work on it incrementally and we're going to be more proactive about reaching out
and you know getting them like on the ground once we see the potential and the roi out of it All right, thank you for all of you.
Very great insight.
Thank you for interesting question and answer.
And I think that's enough for the live question.
We also posted a slide link so our listeners can add the question name and vote for it.
We still have a time for a few more questions.
So let me check the Slido real quick
and see which question has the highest vote.
I see so many questions from the audience.
And the first question for Richard, how will Control Moopat connect builder with investors
and mentors?
The question is given to you, Richard.
I do think it's like a third time answering a similar nuanced question.
So should I just repeat what I said or is there something different that the users are
or the attendees are looking for? Another question from the chat.
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
Hello?
Yeah.
Sorry.
Could you repeat what you just said?
This is another question for you. If you were to join ContraMoot as a hacker yourself,
what kind of project would you build?
What kind of project would that be going? I might sound somewhat biased, but I would say I would focus on peer-to-peer payments.
And the reason for that is I feel like the problem that we're experiencing to this day is that cross-border remnant systems are still yet to be integrated into, for instance, the use case of social media apps or messengers directly nowadays.
And I feel like the most solutions are very slow.
And I feel like the most solutions are very slow.
Some could be very costly and some require technical onboarding, especially for users who don't have the easy access to banking infrastructure.
be a social integrated peer-to-peer payment platform on Aptos where we allow the users to
send stable coins like USDC, USDT through social handles like Twitter that we're on now
or Telegram or Instagram without leaving their chat apps.
That's one thing that I've thought of, but I'm not sure if this is something
that you guys would like, but just a biased personal answer and something that I really
want to see from the hackathon. But yeah, I hope this answers your question.
Thank you very much, Richard.
And I see the question for Amnys, for Thales.
How do you see liquid stacking
as more than just earning yield.
It's the foundation for DeFi composability and once user hosts assets like AMAPT or STAPT, they can unlock additional
value by using them across lending, trading and liquidity provision.
And even innovative instances like a structured product or on-chain reputation.
And our strategy is to partner with the top protocol in each of these verticals
so that AMP-APT becomes the default building block of the actors' defiable system.
of the actual defiable system.
That means title integration with lending markets,
decks, and yield operators.
So users can maximize capital efficiency
without compromising security.
In my prior view, from marketing standpoint,
we are focusing on storytelling around this infrastructure vision.
Instead of positioning Amnist as just a stacking protocol, we highlight it as an enable or broader opportunities in D5.
We design campaigns with partners,
educational content and incentive programs all decided to showcase
how liquid-staking can be the entry part
into the whole range of financial activities.
Yeah, that's the path we are building at Amnes.
Thank you very much.
Okay. Thank you very much.
It's a very great point.
I see so many people want to ask you how did you first get the idea for microchip?
Could you repeat the question, please?
The question is, how did you first get the idea for Merkle Trade?
Oh, sure. So, how we got the idea for Merkle trade? It was like two and a half years ago.
So it's a little blurry, but I think what we focused on from the day one was the simple idea that the current form of DeFi is too complex and there's so much entry barriers
to ordinary people so that it needs to be simplified.
So coming from the web two background,
building consumer facing products, mobile products,
we decided to tackle this problem.
And when we looked at the DeFi ecosystem and crypto
in general, people really seem to like the idea of betting on crypto assets, longing
and shorting. So we thought there was strong demand for leverage trading, what people call perks.
So we decided to package the trading experience in a way that is accessible and easy and smooth as much as the Web2 counterparts like Robinhood.
So that's still the goal for our team, even today.
And we're still trying to figure out how to achieve that goal.
And so that's something that we've been focused on from day one and still focused on.
So these days we are really excited about the upcoming launch of the mobile app, the
Merkle app that's coming out very soon. So with that, I think we're gonna be
expanding the audience that we can reach out to. And yeah, so
And yeah, so Merkle is all about making,
simplifying the experience for DeFi.
So with the launch of the Merkle app as well,
we are going to build the DeFi for everyone.
So the launch of the Merkle app is also
going to be a big step towards that vision.
And we can wait to share it with the community very soon.
Yes, thank you there.
Thank you for all of you.
Thank you for all the insight you guys said.
It's very meaningful for this topic today from
after the time to take unicorn.
Time for all the questions on Slido
it's really great to see so much curiosity and engagement from the community and one more time
thank you all of you for joining us today i think this is the end of the AMA. Do you guys have anything you want to say to our listeners?
Yes, maybe
I'll go first.
It's been great talking with you all
and don't forget to follow
us on X for the latest
updates.
I think we have a lot of
upcoming news going live for Amis.
Yeah.
And feel free to drop me a DM anytime and I'm always open to feedback.
Yes.
Thanks so much for all the great questions for AM&O today.
Yeah, I guess one thing that I want to leave off with is please stay tuned with the hackathon.
It would be great to get your more interest that will convert into actually building and project submissions. But more importantly, I do want to leave off with one note, right?
One culture that I really love about Aptos is every month, you know, they give away like a dogfooding allowance, right? They give you like a little bit of money to really play around with
as many ecosystem products that are out there on Aptos. And what I've realized and learned after doing this
is you really don't know what's out there
unless you really try it out firsthand, right?
Whether it's perps like Merkle trade
to borrowing lending protocols, spot trading,
NFTs, gaming or whatnot, right?
Like I really want everyone to kind of just
go that extra step and try it out have fun with it and
i feel like that itself is something that will help you to grow so much more in this industry
help you to grow so much more in this industry.
And yeah, like I said, just go out and have fun.
And more importantly, just always be hands on about it.
And hopefully I can cross paths with every single one of you
in the new future.
So I'll be, yeah, I'll keep it very short.
So it was really nice to be speaking alongside Richard and Talese from Amnith and Aptos Labs.
And I'm really looking forward to seeing all the new projects and teams building on Aptos
from this new hackathon.
Hackathon, as I said, is a very interesting venue to where we can present to the world
and get instant feedback.
And it's going to be a great first step for your projects if you're really serious enough
to keep building the product.
It's a great starting point. And I'm really excited about Aptos ecosystem and also in
in broader sense, Web3 in general. DeFi is going to be eating the world traditional finance.
is going to be eating the world traditional finance.
And of course, Merkle will be at the front seat.
And we will keep building the DeFi for everyone.
And please, we're very excited about the upcoming launch of the Merkle app.
about the upcoming launch of the Merkle app.
And it's going to be the most smooth experience
you can imagine from DeFi.
So it's something that we are really excited about,
and hope you guys are also excited about it too.
So thank you for having me. Yeah, one more time.
Thank you for joining us today.
And we are on our team.
And see you guys next time.
Goodbye.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
Have a nice day.
I will laugh. Thank you. . Thank you.
