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FYI 73 🔋 by WireNetwork: DeAI Day at Permissionless + $350 in prizing
Recorded: June 23, 2025 Duration: 1:03:15Space Recording
Short Summary
Exciting developments in the crypto space as projects like Gloria AI and Bernie AI announce new launches and partnerships, while Spheron reports impressive growth with $4 million in ARR. DAI Day promises to showcase innovative collaborations, highlighting the trend towards decentralized AI solutions.
Full Transcription
Good morning.
Invited you up, Ben.
Hello?
Hello. Moment of panic what happened i don't know but i thought i was on my own
no right there's some people requesting to get up i know we gotta get moving quickly today yes
a lot of people here so i'm just gonna bring up Zenko as well. How are you, man?
Hello.
Hello, hello.
I'm good.
Freshly back from Puerto Vallarta.
Right.
Freshly baked.
Freshly baked.
Was it nice?
It was beautiful.
Yeah.
Decent weather considering there's a hurricane About 150 miles south of us
Are you all tanned and revved up?
I was already tanned and revved up, Doug
I'm always tanned and revved up
Amazing
Hey Ben, can I
Ben, just for
Reciprocity
Can I do you
Being on the
Public Enemy album?
Yeah, absolutely. Do it.
London,
England, consider
yourselves warned.
I'm going to listen to a bit more
and practice it, and then I'll be able to...
Dude, if you can drop it, I mean, I swear to God,
every time I'm like, oh my God, Ben Ben, like, wow. He was like, but still, I think I was like full.
Oh man, you're really aging me right now. Sorry. Um, how are you, man? You good, Doug?
Well, hair on fire.
You know, we're getting set up for DAI Day.
Yes.
Yep.
So that's kind of the big news.
And we have a bunch of the crew that's involved.
Fierons in the house.
Yep.
I'm just bringing them up now.
I'm trying to get everybody up on stage.
Yep.
Virtuals, crews in the house.
So we're also having a happy hour, is it's virtuals and the virtuals cohort the
agent cohort one of which is uh from is is hollywood and uh and you might notice tim cotton
of scripted slash hollywood is in the house and then symphony ai gloria ai athena ai Symphony AI, Gloria AI, Athena AI, and Bernie AI.
And I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting one.
Melbourne.
Oh, Bernie.
You just added.
Yeah, yeah.
And the brothers are going to work it out.
They're in the house.
Love it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So, look, I'm not going to do a big lead-in like we usually do.
Doom, I'm glad you're in good health and that you enjoyed your trip.
I did. You and I can
catch up a bit more as the week goes.
In fact, we can't. We've got today and tomorrow.
No, we've got today and tomorrow. That's it.
You're going to Glastonbury. I've got
Glastonbury Festival. Yeah, which is going to be
really, really good. I did. I just want to say
one thing. I saw 28 years later
yesterday. How was it?
Absolutely fucking incredible really oh yeah
i'm so scared i am so dude i feel like i saw those original movies when i was at and didn't
have kids and for some reason since i've had kids all horror movies are just i can't deal
you take a little more personal yeah yeah i I agree with that statement. It is really good.
Really?
Yes.
It's amazing.
I can't wait to see it.
It's all I'm going to say.
Okay, so I'll give you my thing that I started.
So, Westworld.
So good.
I've never watched Westworld.
I've not watched a single episode of it before,
and I watched two episodes back-to-back yesterday. Incredible, incredible. Westworld. I've never watched Westworld. I've not watched a single episode of it before,
and I watched two episodes back-to-back yesterday.
Incredible, incredible.
I'm really, really excited.
How many are there?
Is it like multiple seasons?
Well, I mean, I'm not going to spoil anything here because it's like an eight-year-old show,
but I'm not going to give you any plot points,
but there were supposed to be five seasons,
and there are only four.
Ah. And there's a reason for that. HBO
pull the plug.
Oh, shit. Am I watching
something that isn't going to be... Am I not going to get
closure? No, it's... You're going to get closure
on some things.
Oh, my God.
Am I going to be able to read the rest?
No. So nobody knows knows finish the first season
and take it for what it was yeah okay the first season is like fucking absolute cinema in the
immortal words of martin scorsese and and and then it's downhill from that going i didn't mind
the second and third season i didn't actually end up watching the
fourth because i was just too busy with other stuff but i did buy like apple tv or whatever the
apple tv store had like all four seasons for like i don't know it was like 29 i'm like i'll buy okay
because it's not available in the u.s it's not on streaming anymore oh wow they pulled it off
streaming too it's crazy it's a great show i'm really looking for the first two
episodes blew me away oh yeah wait wait wait wait till you get through this season it's so good
okay cool yeah okay let's get into it um welcome welcome why did zenko get dropped down
i don't know i invited him up a couple times I'm back, I'm back, I'm back.
That was the sound of me reaching to the floor.
Okay, right.
Welcome, everyone.
Episode 73.
They said we would never make it past 72.
They know nothing.
We almost didn't.
Did we not?
No, I'm just kidding.
Okay.
Right.
You okay, buddy?
I'm okay.
Just getting my shit together here.
Okay.
Right.
Episode 73.
Well done, everyone, for joining us.
There's a couple of opportunities to make a little bit of cash
while we get going here as well.
So I'm just going to get that fired up.
Zenko are up on stage right now. Really
exciting platform. TG'd a few weeks back. They have given us $100 to give to somebody today.
Really, really exciting platform because they empower giving. They empower acts of good and
kindness. And that for me is something that is really exciting and so they empower that via
marketing collateral to to go view or you know participate in all kinds of uh marketing type
things um and to receive acts of kindness in reward in in return for your time um well worth
going checking them out if you want to be in with a chance of winning a hundred dollars today make
sure that you give everyone on stage a follow like repost.
And we will pick somebody out at the end of the show.
Um, so doing all of those things, you win a hundred dollars.
Also, I am about two and a half hours away from another combo win.
All that has to happen is Paris Saint-Germain have to be.
I'm in that too. I'm in that
one too.
PSG's going to
beat their shit out of Seattle.
They should do, right? So that has been
another combo that we've
been putting together via our friends at Toshi.
I'm going to pin it to the top
in a moment. Where is it? Where is it?
There it is. Okay, here
and pin to the top. Okay, cool.
If you use the code that I've put in there to create an account, and I can see anyone that's
doing that, or add like $5 minimum to an account, and I can see who's doing that, I'll pick five
people out at the end of the show and you get $50 added to your account. The end. Okay, let's get
into actually what we're doing the show today because we are on a tight
schedule and we've got lots of guests joining us and um it's really exciting to do that so
ahead of d d ai goodness me not dei no decentralized ai day which is hosted this week by the wire
network at permissionless we're going to meet a few of the
guests and participants and have a bit more of a casual chat today a bit more of an open
speakeasy kind of vibe didn't want to add like a topic to it but we want to just get a feel for
who's going along what's happening what these people are building the future of ai agents
open infrastructure all of that stuff. Super, super exciting.
Joining us, we have got, and I'm going to try not to butcher this,
John Chen from Gloria AI, OX BloodX from Athena AI,
Melbin from Bernie AI, Tim Cotton from Hollywood,
and Blockchain Ballot and Prashant from Spheron. I think that that is all correct and we've also got our good man doug here from the wire network representing as well as the wire network up
hey gmgmgm did i get all of those like pronunciations right and stuff people love a
complex name in this space i think you got it good okay um well if if we if thank you if we missed if we if we missed one
speak now or forever hold your peace yes i will i tell you what people can do even better than
that is they can just take a moment now and we'll do it in the round i'll bring people up uh
introduce yourselves and your project and very quickly what you're focused on right now i want
people to speed run this elevator pitch.
So let's start with Tim because he's got a hard stop at 11.
Exactly where I was going, Doug.
All right, all right.
Tim, you're up first, my man.
I'm on Doomcast.
Friends, friends, Von Doom.
Ben, thanks for having me on the show again.
Welcome.
How are you doing?
I love it.
Hey, so yes, Tim from Scripted here repping Hollywood.
There's two things you need to know. One, Hollywood is the cinematic agent for Web3. She launched as the first premiere launch on the virtual's Genesis platform everything's weird but uh i think it's a good hallmark for what's coming up and the reason i think that is because
i'm hoping that we're getting to uh we used to call it utility season right but like i think
app season for web3 i think this is a new hopefully a new era where we're gonna have many apps on
farcaster on coinbase wallet the upcoming one
that's in private beta and worlds uh world coin and now worlds wallet and i can say that pretty
confidently because rahila's team at hollywood they won the world hackathon at esmeralda with
hollywood yeah yeah guys they they actually. They put together a mini app.
You can literally get it, start making videos, making content,
and you can pay for it with actual crypto rails.
When did this happen?
When was this event?
Like two days ago, man.
Oh, man.
Congratulations.
That's insane.
Right?
So now, again, Scripted, what we do is we provide the underlying tech, right?
And we're going to be passing those crypto rails on through our intelligent routing services for Gen AI.
That's what I do, right?
And guys, by the way, secret thing.
I'm going to be revealing an alpha test site at DAI day.
at the ai day if everything goes well i've got my fingers crossed right with my team
If everything goes well, I've got my fingers crossed, right, with my team.
and we're going to show you like a real way to onboard real normies into this wonderful world
of decentralized ai and web3 so trust me things are going to get wild but that's the end of my
pitch i'll talk to you i love it it's a good pitch i love it um very quickly though so you're going to be giving that bit of alpha on di ai day
uh will you also be sharing that like can we can we share it when you've done that are we able to
let everyone know that what's happening there i think yeah and what i'll do is you know i love
you guys i'll give you early access so you can test it yourself and then we'll talk about the wider release how about that how about that that's amazing let's do it that
would be really good yeah i'd love that okay cool right next up i want is it bluedex or bloodex
bluedex bluedex okay cool uh cool either way and uh i don't know if i've said it before i think i
have but love a clonex okay go for it dude it, dude. Who are you? What's the project? What are you guys building? Sure, yeah. So my name is Blue Decks,
the founder of Athena AI,
launched on the virtual protocol
all the way back on November 19th,
over seven months ago, pretty early into it.
We are a crypto derivatives focused AI agent
with a major focus on the hyper liquid ecosystem.
And we are one of the agents that are incorporating
into the virtual protocol,
agent commerce protocol, or ACP for short. What ACP is, is that it's basically an agentic
hedge fund, though there's, of course, other media angles to that as well. Some folks on the
spaces today are also involved. And what we do is we're basically creating agents that create portfolios and that they look at
different risk tolerance of folks where they can customize them and then in an agentic fashion it
goes out and based on how you prompt it and how you want your portfolio customized and how often
you want it to trade etc it goes out to all the different agents that are involved so athena AI
is one of them AI XBT is another.
Velvet Unicorn.
There's Insights from Loki.
Then the upcoming WAC XBT.
There's a whole ton of agents involved in this process, Swarm, et cetera.
So we're integrating with them to provide the smart money,
hyperliquid derivatives positioning into that ecosystem.
That's me and we're focused on in the short term.
Love it. Thank you. Appreciate you being prompt with that too. That's me and we're focused on in the short term. Love it. Thank you.
Appreciate you being prompt with that too.
Great explanation.
Melvin, how about you come up now with Bernie?
Yes. Hi, guys. Melvin here, a founder of Bernie AI.
Bernie is an AI agent that roasts your GitHub repository.
So you tag him on Twitter and he'll generate a roast
in terms of what you've done wrong in your code
and tell you to fix it.
That's what we started off with.
What we realized is that Bernie has become an influencer now.
And we are basically helping a lot of other projects
also get attention by focusing on their technical roadmap and how well, how
it is indicated and how it will work out in the future. So we are coming out with something new
right now, which is kind of mindshare mining, it would we call it. So one thing we realized is that
mindshare is a finite commodity on Twitter and Bernie being an influencer can command some portion of it.
We want users to mine it. How do you mine it? You generate content.
That's basically a whole mining thing that we're coming out with.
You generate content with LLMs based on the amount of LLM tokens that you use.
You get the right to write certain content onto the blockchain.
Bernie selects one of them, publishes it, gives you credit, that gives you visibility as well. So this is what we're doing. Lots of things are
coming up but I would love to leave the stage over to you.
Love that. Thank you. Appreciate that. That sounds funny as well. I love it when the
agents that are being built have got a great great character great i feel i love hollywood as well like uh
i shared so i've been pinning at the top uh the things you've been doing but obviously like just
from a creative perspective i love what's going on there but these these characters that are starting
to now form out of the ai agents i think is is really really exciting does the agent actually
like rip on you hard like is it really funny? We can control how hard he rips.
That's awesome.
But yeah, he can rip on you.
We're actually doing, we're going live
on AI TV in a couple of weeks.
On AI TV, we'll be doing three shows,
a game show, a wide coding session,
and an analysis session.
It'll be three hours of content
on a daily basis.
So yeah, it's a celebrity AI agent.
That's awesome.
Probably Bernie can come and act in one of Hollywood movies as well.
JC, you're up, my friend.
Tell us about itsgloria.ai.
GM, GM.
Hey, guys.
Hey, hey.
Thanks for having me on.
It's great to be here.
Thanks, everyone, for joining.
My name is John Chen, hello. It's great to be here. Thanks, everyone, for joining. My name is John Chen, JC.
I'm the founder of Crypto Briefing, which is an independent news, crypto news and media company that's been around since 2017.
Gloria AI, I'm the founder of.
It's a spinoff of the Crypto Briefing team.
you know, crypto briefing team. And what Gloria AI does is we provide
AI agent powered news for AI agents and AI agent systems. So we feel like majority of trading is
probably going to be done by agents within the next 12 months. And these agents and these agent systems need intelligence. And we're providing
the news intelligence. We're looking to provide news intelligence for these AI agents and AI
systems. So the USP for us is we monitor tons of different sources across Twitter and other places, and we can surface up news really quickly.
And then once we surface up and discover that news, we can then generate news also very quickly.
So we can essentially beat other systems, especially traditional media publications that might use people to find the news,
and then they've got to run things through an editorial team.
And by the time the news goes out, it's minutes to even tens of minutes or hours.
We can get news out within a few minutes the moment it comes out,
even within a few seconds if it's breaking news and we want to get it out quickly.
We also have the ability to customize.
So major news publications may only cover
the big stories, but they may not cover like niche topics because, you know, they've got
limited manpower or they just don't feel like it's a focus. But because we're at fully agentic system,
we can cover everything. So if you're looking for specific news, let's say like, I want to know all
the security breaches and hacks that are happening on Sonic or Solana,
or even, like, what are the newest launches on Genesis in the last couple weeks, or what are we monitoring today?
We can cover that really quickly and really effectively to deliver news to other AI agents.
And that's pretty much what we're focused on today.
We've got a lot of other plans, And that's pretty much what we're focused on today.
We've got a lot of other plans, but that's our core focus today.
I love all these different use cases
that we're starting to see come through.
I've got a couple of more questions on that in a minute
I'm gonna touch on, but before that,
who have we got here from the Spheron team?
Are you using the Spheron account?
Yeah, this is Prakash on this end.
Nice one, dude.
Super excited to be here and uh welcome yeah
yeah pretty excited like so this week it's been pretty lovely honestly because we just
crossed like four million in our arr so uh that's annual recurring revenue like crypto folks don't know what uh revenue yeah what is a a r r
you guys are doing pirate ai what is it no that's real money right i know i know
i'm very familiar we've been selling gpus so yeah you know like that shit is like
real expensive so it brings some amount of money.
But yeah, it's been pretty honestly amazing
and super excited for DAI.
Honestly, like big shout out to Doh for pulling this up.
And I'm supremely excited on what's going to happen on that day.
And also in terms of Skynet, we are pretty close to the launch.
So super excited for that.
Skynet is like a no code builder.
And I think I've been speaking to Tim, Melvin, and everybody here,
and everybody's so excited so we can just directly integrate them.
And Road2TG is already live.
We are pretty close to TG.
It happens like next month.
So guys, stay excited for it.
And yeah, in terms of we launched text to video tool which is which has crossed like 21,000 lifted
NFTs on base so like it kind of like blew up so yeah things have been going I mean the world is
going on some other brink but things have been going good for us.
So it kind of feels like, yeah, things have been good for us.
But yeah, like super excited to be here and super excited to be part of the crew and always excited to hear to Juan and Benji for like anything.
And yeah.
Well, we're glad you're here.
We're glad you're here.
I'm going to open up with a question that anybody could weigh into. Maybe Tim needs to weigh into it first because I know he's got limited time. Centralization versus decentralization. Wires framing for the upcoming event is powerful, right? Users choose centralized AI over decentralized AI. Why?
uses centralized AI over decentralized AI. Why?
I mean, yeah, I'm happy to jump in. And I say this as someone who has a decade of enterprise
development experience as well, and not just in crypto, but outside in AI and in retail and
commerce. It's easier, right? The first thing to understand about a centralized platform,
even if it's distributed like AWS, which I use heavily as well,
is that we can provision our resources,
we can maintain our own security,
we can quickly spin up applications
that are inherently safe to ourselves,
because even when we make mistakes,
they're not exposed in a permanent way
like they are in a fully decentralized context.
I'm sure many members of the crowd
could also go into each of the nitty gritty things about it. The weakness of centralization
is ironically just scalability, even in cloud providers. So I'll give you an example.
So we have a reliance for GPUs. And I think everybody understands right now that there
is a holy war being fought between all the big companies for access to NVIDIA GPUs. And I think everybody understands right now that there is a holy war being fought between all the big companies for access to Nvidia GPUs.
There's lots of the smaller consumer cards now available and being put together in decentralized contexts. Great.
There's several networks that are dedicated to being able to provide some of the highest classed graphical processing units like uh nvidia h100 or 200
and those usually are so difficult to and cost cost prohibitive to put together they do them
in like eight stacks right so you actually you can you don't rent one h100 you rent eight of
them at the same time on the same machine and suddenly your cost is, you know, usually like maybe around 32 to $35 per hour
of compute for that. Now, what's great about decentralization? When you can share the cost
outward, both between the super high, heavy class stuff and the lower consumer stuff and make that
compute very liquid. And you can route intelligently the money that you're getting
for a service and then decompose that money into payments for the actual processing.
Well, suddenly you have a great use case for decentralization because one, a single provider
can't fail you.
And two, like you can always move the money around to what's most efficient for the individual
task.
And you don't have to, again, keep your own
hardware running at all times. And let me tell you one last thing. There are those who believe
that they can essentially save money with these big stacks in a cloud provider by turning them
on and off again when needed. The cold start times for heavy GPU model usage is ridiculous because when you have huge multi-billion parameter models, oh my God, like your hard drive is like if you've turned off the instance and you turn it back on, it can take hours for it to actually re-sync back down from like the storage units up in the cloud down to your actual hard drive.
Your hard drive pretends everything's fine.
But when you go to access the model, it's like, oh, yeah, I actually need to go get
these very large things that took hours to get in the first place.
It's ridiculous.
So I find that on a technical level, decentralization is a superpower.
The problem we have had, and I invite the rest of the group because I'll have to
go soon to discuss this, is that most people are trying to solve for this at the coordination level,
which I think we already have a lot of great competition here. And I personally don't need
to enter that market. I want to use that market. And then the opportunity is apps at this point
and building good ones. And right now,
the AI agent space is one of those apps, right? We've reached the app level for AI agents.
And so as the people in this crowd talk about agent commerce protocol from virtuals, keep in
mind, that's just their step one for creating a coordination layer for AI agents. It's agents that
can talk to each other. Oh, and that's my timer.
I got to go.
I love you all.
I will talk to you again soon.
Take care, man.
That timer, that alarm gives me the shivers
because it usually means I've got to get up
at some ungodly hour.
Yeah, I'm with you.
Does anyone else want to weigh in?
Anybody else?
Because it's a great question, you know, like, why are people choosing the centralized platforms at the moment over uncentralized?
And, of course, there's the kind of it's easier perspective.
But, you know, looking deeper into it, what other thoughts are there that you can take on that?
Yeah, I would say that decentralized AI, in terms of my opinions on the benefits of it, why it's better than centralized AI, is because it has more privacy, more censorship resistance, and there's less biases in the output.
If we think about what Bitcoin did, that offered decentralization to finance and money, right?
And I think that by having decentralized AI, you're taking this system that is a public good, that should be a public good for the world.
And then when you add decentralization to it, you make it so that no one central party can control it, control the outputs,
where it's more prone to AI poisoning, where the leaders of these products will incorporate it so you can't prompt it for certain things that it doesn't see as socially viable to them.
prompted for certain things that it doesn't see as socially viable to them.
You know, that's really important that we kind of nip all that in the bud so
that we can really have a truly powerful centralized AI product.
Love that. Anyone else want to weigh in?
Because I've got more questions and one of them coming up is an interesting one.
I'm looking to put it out there, but last call.
Man, I think they're all
interesting questions yeah I'm just gonna be like super quick on this and
tell you about it like from a GPU consumer side like so every big company
is trying to get as many GPUs as they can there is a report which is AI in
20 20 20 47 and I'm to share that in the link.
Oh, that's true.
It shows that by the end of 2047,
most of these conglomerates would have
93 percent to 94 percent of GPU control of the world.
So we are kind of against that.
Everybody in this space is against that.
So the decentralization starts at step zero like virtual
just trying to do such great job and into bringing actual builders around it so for it is basically
we are laying down the foundation for people to be on on a side where they have the possibility
that they can choose what they share and they can choose which side they're on because in 2047, as per the projection, we are not on the map.
So right now we have to fight a little harder and sustain this trajectory
so that we can actually jump off to a better future for AI.
Yeah, absolutely. Love that, man. Thank you so much appreciate that uh answer and that perspective
um okay i've got a question and it doesn't this doesn't need long answers it just i'm curious
though like where are we right now in terms of like on the timeline for the exponential growth
of ai like it feels like we're about to go into orbit, but it has felt
like that for about 12 months. And I know that in the last 12 months, we've seen so many developments
and things are moving at such a pace. But in terms of like, the roadmap of over the last, say, 10
years, and the steady growth and introduction of ai systems into kind of everyday
life where are we like how quickly now does this thing absolutely take off and what are some kind
of like references that you can give me there that what does it look like in a year what what
what is what's going on with like image and and video rendering versus what's going on with like
ai agent capability like what are the next couple of stages of this whole development look like?
Who wants that one?
I mean, I'm happy to jump.
I'm going to have to start.
Yeah, nice one.
Thank you, Blue Decks.
Yeah.
So I would say, I mean, like, you know, how close are we to that singularity moment, right?
Which is when artificial intelligence surpasses human intelligence. I think the answer, unfortunately, is we just don't know yet, right? I mean, this could be a thing where it could be tomorrow or it could be years from now.
You could look at what people are saying from Anthropic and OpenAI and, you know, how much of it is marketing speak, how much of it is, you know, that they're actually very close.
I think we don't know. Software development, the tools like Cursor, Replit, and WinSurf, and Lovable, that has at least 10x the productivity of the best developers in the world in a short time.
It's probably 100x that productivity by the end of the year.
I think that's really where a lot of the big growth is going to happen here in the short term.
Yeah, I mean, to echo what Ledex is saying, I think it's hard to fully predict as well. But I think the acceleration is kind of already very clear. Like we're already hitting that inflection point i mean just uh if you look at some simple like um uh i guess proxies right like
Yeah, I mean, to echo what Ledex is saying,
if you guys recall the the the video image of of will smith eating spaghetti like oh yeah a year
and a half ago and to where things got to maybe like six months later you know nine months later
and then from there till today uh you know, within the last few months,
you pretty much almost can't tell if the video is AI generated, or it's real, you know, and that
same thing goes for on the voice side of things as well, we went from like somewhat stilted,
slightly in the uncanny valley of AI voice generation like a year or so ago to today
where the latest models coming out, you know, there's human like pauses and coughs and ums and
ahs and things where again, I'd be hard pressed at this point to tell if it's AI generated or not from listening to a short, like, you know, several second clip.
So I think everything is moving at an accelerating rate.
And one of the other areas that we're starting to see things is just on the, you know, we're talking a lot about like generative AI, you know, software based development.
But look at where things are heading in terms of hardware. I was just looking at the, you know, kind of the latest CES, you know, clips from the latest
electronic show and the number of just AI-powered devices that are entering, that are going to be
entering the home from healthcare, weight loss, you know, kind of just, you know, wearable devices
is staggering. And I think
that's going to just continue to increase in the coming months and years.
Yeah, I just want to add one thing to it, is that a lot of new technology when it comes out
is always like it's in the fringes till that iPhone moment hits. Like smartphones were already
around, there were touch screens around, then the iPhone moment hits. Like smartphones were already around, there were touchscreens around,
then the iPhone moment hits.
AI was around for a while.
I was using, I remember using GPT-2
and going to any one,
even before ChatGPT came out.
But ChatGPT had that inflection point
where a lot of people came into it.
It's very difficult to predict it, in my opinion.
Right now, how AI is being envisioned in enterprise specifically is how can we cut down costs?
How can we replace human labor with AI?
And that's pretty much what they're working on.
But I think the inflection point will happen when consumers en masse ape into one particular product
or one particular framework or ecosystem or even a device for that matter.
And that's all dependent on the innovation
all of us do here.
And that's where I believe that aha moment comes
and say, okay, fine, now we've hit that singularity.
That's how I'm looking at it.
Anybody else want to field that one?
I think we're there dude i think we're there all right hey doug this one is at you
you ready where did doug go
was he on the wire count
the rest of the floor and i don't know how much you guys know but we're looking for
a bit of information about what's happening at permissionless oh doug says he got rugged
ah doug there he is i see him i see him invite to speak come on back come on back bring him back
goodness me i wish i was going dude I know
are you going to NYC at all
no I got too busy with a couple new things
that got greenlit at the end of last week
when I was in Mexico
oh cool
we'll talk about that later
cool look forward to hearing about it
right Doug you coming up or what
Doug I invited you
I think he's coming up or what? Doug, I invited you. I've invited him to speak, too.
I think he's coming up.
Where is he?
I can see him.
Why don't you move to...
The next question?
The next question.
I will.
Why don't I move to the next question?
Yeah, you move on to the next question.
And then we'll circle back for Doug.
Oh, there he is.
Man.
All right.
So, Doug, what's on deck information list?
What talks, live demos or showcases for this DEI day are you most excited about?
Yeah, man.
I mean, there's, I can't, I can't pick any.
And really it's the cool thing about it is that, you know, with, with our brand, like the brand that we've created is that, you know, it's more about
educating, connecting, proliferating than it is about a stack of sponsors. And so that's the
ethos we go in with. And that's the result. And that's why people, I mean, are on the edge of
their seats, literally since permissionless our first our
first one which there was this crew the wire crew heavy was at permissionless in salt lake and was
awesome and and it was and so like that's the thing so to say who my favorite is is is difficult
but we're you know having discussions with aether of course course, Firon's involved, Hollywood, Wall Street Bets, Jamie's
going to be in the house, Morpheus, Bloxy, and then OortCloud is also going to be involved.
And then we're also having a happy hour hosted by virtuals and and wire and all the guy all the teams that are on this call
and are all this on the spaces um and then there we're also having a panel where all all of the
the crew here is going to be able to talk about their projects talk about the space talk about
uh you know crypto ai in a deep way so super excited about it and and yeah come can people still can
people still apply to join you guys they can indeed and I'll throw the links up
in the in the chat but it we're starting to get at it we're starting to get to
capacity so if you're if you're gonna be New York, make sure you hop on these LumaLinks ASAP and get involved.
Love it.
Love it, love it, love it.
Okay, I have a question for the founders of the projects and the team again, because in spaces again.
We've been talking, so look, Doom and I have been really fortunate.
The team from WIRE have been on with us more or less since the conception of the show.
It's been fantastic.
We've really got to know a lot of you guys well.
We've got to get a much better, clearer understanding of the direction,
decentralized AI, and it's no doubt that it's really, really exciting what's going on.
it's no doubt that it's really, really exciting what's going on.
The thing we don't talk about a lot is what success looks like,
or how we're measuring success.
We talk about what we're trying to achieve,
or what the mission looks like.
But how will we know that DAI is starting to win?
It's starting to move the needle. What metrics like agent usage
or community size or developer adoption are the most meaningful to your teams that are
building out these products? And I'll start with JC. So that's a really good question. For us as a project, I think long-term goal versus our short-term goals may differ a little bit, but our media goals right now is really getting user adoption. For us, in some ways, we're more of like a B2B project in the sense
that we are looking to deliver very structured types of news and market intelligence for other
AI agents. And the broader vision is at some point in the future, hopefully the near future,
whether it's through ACP or other types of more automated autonomous systems where there's
agent to agent interaction directly, where you can kind of scale at a much faster rate.
Today, it's still more of a manual process. We have to reach out to developers of AI agents,
talk to them, try to figure out what their needs are, and then provide via API or WebSock to
streaming our data feeds to plug into their agents. So it's still a manual process. And as a result,
So it's still a manual process. And as a result, we still have to use like more traditional metrics like, you know, work out an arrangement,
tell her what you need for your news data needs, and we will send it over. And then you,
that agent will pay us in a microtransaction for that specific piece of data. So you can scale and
automate at a much wider scale.
That's not there yet today, both from the fact that agents are still evolving and developing and
some of those connections and protocols are still being developed, but we're on our way.
So for us, that's kind of still the key metric, though hopefully that'll evolve.
Love that. Thank you. Appreciate you coming in with that.
Who's next? Who wants to talk to me about how they're measuring success?
Sure. Yeah. So I'd say the way I'd measure success for Athena, for virtuals protocol, agent commerce protocol,
I would say when you have on a long term basis, when you have basically retail beating the market,
on a long-term basis when you have basically retail beating the market,
when I say the market, beating like the performance of, you know,
Bitcoin or the S&P 500 or the NASDAQ, you know,
one of those benchmarks where they're on a long-term risk-adjusted basis
that they're outperforming those because they're using these AI agentic products
through the hedge fund here, through AIXVC.
I would say if retail's beating Wall Street or if Wall Street is recognizing
it or just institutional or alternative asset managers in general and they're
starting to dabble and utilize the protocol, I would say those two would
absolutely be a win for when for the space and something that could only be a
few months away.
Love that. A few months away.
That's crazy. That is crazy.
Melbin, how about you, man? Bernie, Bernie IO, how are you measuring success there?
Success of DAI, I think about it in base units. The base unit for AI is compute. And how much
of that compute happens on decentralized servers versus centralized servers.
The moment we see an uptick in the AI compute demand going up,
we know that we are trending to the success.
That's how I would measure it, and that's a metric that I would put forward.
And yeah, we're also working toward the same thing, honestly.
Love that. Thank you.
And then I'll do a full house here. So Sphere on. And yeah, we're also working toward the same thing, honestly. Love that. Thank you.
And then I'll do a full house here.
So Sphereon.
Is it Prakash we've got behind the Sphereon account?
I think so.
Yeah, yeah.
Hey, hey.
How are you measuring success at Sphereon?
What does it look like? It looks like 4 million in ARR is what it looks like.
I would say that's a pretty good way to measure it based on the bank.
I mean, yeah, that's the only way to measure success, I would say.
I'm just kidding, guys.
It's in the top three.
It's one of the things which your investors ask in in in web2 world like but i am surprised to
see cluey and everybody doing so good and it's so refreshing to see which is not that same old
people going ahead with fundraising some fresh thing happening on x right now and i'm like i'm
kind of i kind of like cluey guys but coming back to us where on success measure of success is that uh we measure it in three ways specifically number of users uh number
of uh projects which are working with us uh obviously leads to uh prr and third the relationships
we have like for longer period of time that is truly very important in terms of scaling any technology out
here you call it agents you call it uh text to video you call it anything like we have been
closely working with multiple ecosystem throughout like base and virtuals and a lot of ecosystems and
like that's why i personally uh i'm bent over creating relationships. Even the Morpheus ecosystem, they're very helpful people.
And I feel that if you go ahead and start creating software,
which is for actual good,
it doesn't really matter where you come from
or which part of the world you are.
Only the software speaks and everybody starts using it.
And that's what we have seen so far with Sweron.
Like the relationships we made and the amount of customer service we focus upon,
it has all exponentially held us grow intangibly into this market and helping us grow more.
Like we reached out around 26,000 deployments and everybody like our servers are at 96 utilization we are onboarding h100 and h200
by the day like that's like we couldn't have reached here like if we hadn't got support from
people like you all over the place and everybody speaking about us and pushing us through and and
that's what we wanted to give back to the people who we got it from and bring more people into the community.
So, yeah, success is, I don't know, it's a it's a it's a very broad word.
So, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Great answers, man.
Great answers. Doom, I'll let you let you take on the last question. All right.
So collab opportunities. Who in Decentral in decentralized are you most eager to partner
and collab with next and what problems are you looking to solve together
anybody want to you know let's let's actually i want to hear from everybody on this one yeah on
the wire side i mean the beautiful thing about aside from us doug but go on what's that aside
from us only collaborating with us right that's our that's
our our sole partners and we're good once once once we locked on with von doom we're like we're
good on the partnership front no but for real for real we it's the beautiful thing about wire is
that because we offer a universal transaction layer it's the rails for ai agentic economy and ai
player. It's the rails for AI agentic economy and AI, a crypto AI period. And so we are
our approach is is Jay is doing JVs connecting with other infrastructure providers and creating
the rails for AI and and shepherding shepherding projects in a way that can, you know, maximize
them and maximize the space.
So the soft answer is everyone, but obviously the AI agent space,
the virtualist community, and everyone on this call.
I love it. Who wants to jump on it next?
I can go. We are looking for two things. is uh we bernie is an ai influencer so we can collab
with any ai agent create content around your stuff push it out any releases everything and feature
you in different places as well so and we can do it as a collab to get more users for your for your
agents protocol how are you going to do it um The other side is we would love to collab for hosting our mining nodes.
How our mining will work is people will set up a mining node
and contribute content by spending LLM tokens.
So let's compute spending to verify good quality content on the blockchain.
compute spending to verify good quality content on the blockchain.
So yeah, I'm looking to collaborate with
like Sparon for the right example of it.
And yeah, well, that's the main thing that you're looking for.
So everyone on this call, honestly.
I love it. Let's go.
Yeah. So without, you know, sounding the same as everyone else, you know, I think the reality is, you know, one of the reasons why I kind of joined, you know, like, you know, got into Web3 was because of the closeness and access to communities to build alongside the community to kind of build in public.
And the fact that in a way, because things are so early stage, whether it was, you know,
DeFi and Web3 a few years ago to, you know, AI crypto or Web3 AI today,
there's really no competition yet, right?
In the sense that, sure, you know,
different projects may even be doing something similar,
but everyone kind of lifts each other
and is super open to working with each other
and supporting each other.
And it's one of the, I think,
the best things about Web3.
So like, I've had chats with Melvin
about potentially like, you know,
having Gloria, you know, do a show with Bernie.
I already had a little chat with Doug about Wire Network
and actively and openly talking about not only some of the projects here on this call,
sorry, on this spaces, but other projects in virtuals ecosystem,
within the base ecosystem, within the broader kind of Web3 ecosystem, there's just so many projects that we could potentially
partner with or we could potentially provide our service for, vice versa.
That's really just kind of one of the best things about the space.
Anybody else want to hop on it?
I think I have to jump on a call.
Please.
Yeah.
So, super excited to be here.
And honestly, I'm super excited for DAI.
That's something which is on top of my list.
There are so many people who I want to be. Unfortunately, I'm not excited for DAI. Like that's something which is on top of my list. Like there are so many people who I want to be like,
unfortunately I'm not coming this time,
but the only reason I travel for 18 hours is because of DAI.
And I'm not buttering this up, honestly,
like because I get to meet so many people, it really helps throughout to understand the whole technology.
But yeah, supremely excited
for DAI.
Very glad to see Doh and everybody
working so hard towards it.
The BoardWire crew has been doing some amazing
things around it.
For anybody who's really interested,
Road2DG is live.
We'd love to have you in that.
We guys are launching hopefully next month.
So keep your eyeballs out for us.
Awesome. I love it.
Nice one. Yeah, appreciate you joining us.
Thank you so much.
Okay, is that everyone from a collab perspective?
I think that's everybody.
Well, look, I mean, that is nicely nestled in
because it gives us a few minutes just to quickly cover some of the news and also maybe touch on.
Oh, and also pick our winners.
But, Doug, just one more time.
Just let us know exactly what's happening, where it's at, timings, all the rest of it, just operationally.
And streaming.
I'm assuming it'll be streaming as well.
Yeah, yeah.
So we're definitely going to be streaming.
More details on that very soon.
We are at 501 Union.
It's a beautiful venue to have the happy hour
and to have DAI Day.
It's from 12.35 to 5 p.m.
And we have panels from, like I said earlier,
we have panels and discussions from the likes of render network Aether virtuals all the all the
projects that are on on this on this spaces and many more we also it's an
amazing to to Prakash's point it's an amazing networking opportunity for this
niche space and And at the
end of the day, we want to create a longer runway and we want to create a bigger impact
with decentralized AI as AI becomes the operating system of humanity. So that's kind of the bottom
line goal here. And another really, really, really powerful networking opportunity
and an opportunity to get to know the projects, to get to know virtuals,
to get to know wire, to get to know all these projects that are on the spaces here
is the happy hour.
It's sponsored by the crew here and virtuals and wire,
and it's going to be awesome.
That's starting at 5, so it'll be like 5 to 7.30ish.
And hit me up with any questions.
I love it.
Thanks, Doug.
Well, look, thank you to everyone who's come up and joined us today.
Really appreciate you taking the time.
I hope you have a great trip.
Like, sounds fucking amazing, and I'm really bummed that I'm not going to this one.
But hopefully it's the first of many DAI days.
And, Doom, you and I get to go to the next one.
Yes, sir.
Okay, look, really quickly, I wanted to just touch on a couple of things from a news perspective.
Let's do it.
Okay, NFT projects make $10 million from Telegram stickers in the last couple of weeks.
Have you seen this?
Yeah, I've been following it very closely.
Yeah, really interesting i participated last week in the board eight uh the board eight collection of stickers you got it i was i got one in secondary good job oh yeah
no chance yeah but but i didn't pay too much more but there was literally no chance yeah now there
were 331 000 wallets that were trying to get them
yeah that's insane isn't it which is like i don't know a lot more than people on the nft side even
in 2021 trying to get to one thing right right i mean and it just showcases, I think, what Telegram is capable of. Yes. Like so many users, integrated wallets, like just a really, really...
Massively powerful platform.
And the fact is, is that if you bought it on the primary, you didn't need to use Ton.
You could use the stars.
Yeah.
Well, apparently.
I've subsequently heard that you get a much better chance of minting if it's super like oversubscribed
if you're using probably you do stuff probably it gets it gets like uh it gets you know uh
preferential treatment interesting interesting yeah um but a really cool experience and i thought
something i really wanted to cover i also just wanted wanted to note that OSF, our friend, and the Rekt brand,
like good for him, man.
He's taken that drink now into 7-Eleven.
Massive, massive distribution.
Subsequently sold out two days in a row in two different locations,
which is just, you know, fantastic for him, fantastic for the brand.
Really, really pleased for him.
So, yeah, just wanted to touch on it. It's a win for Web3, man., fantastic for him. Fantastic for the brand. Really, really pleased for him.
So, yeah, just wanted to touch on him. It's a win for Web3, man.
I mean.
Completely.
I can't wait until he starts fielding offers from Pepsi and Coke and other traditional.
100%.
And you know that's coming, right?
It's coming.
You don't get.
Distribution is hard enough to come by, right?
You don't get to that level without getting those offers i mean
you see you know we've all seen it you know anybody that's ever followed the beverage space
sees these insane exits you know ranging from vitamin water is a good example i mean i think
they're sold for i remember there was one in the uk called innocent smoothies and uh and yeah they
absolutely killed it and a couple
of years later they were making insane money yeah there's insane money I made
if you if you can map it all out and get that distribution get that cold
following they want that and they'll pay you know they're rich as hell and
they'll pay a massive premium for it yeah it's great that's great to see I
love it have you seen crypto punks are down 30% in like I have 10 days because everybody's buying
telegram stickers no just kidding yeah no I have seen that interesting what do
you think what do you think's going I think that we are in a unstable world yeah and yeah i think that you know they went up a lot recently yeah and maybe
people are thinking maybe i should just put this in something a little yeah i would love to see
like some type of dune chart where it showed you a little bit more intel on who sold. Not like any personal data, not to like sell shame or be a douchebag.
But like, for example, how long they had been.
How long, like what?
I mean, you could tell what they bought it for just on the chart.
But like, does that individual have more than one?
You know what I mean?
Because think about it.
If you bought four of them for $45,000 apiece,
and it ran up to 110 each you might sell two
why no then and then you've got two free crypto punks and you just made you know 20k
that's a really good point you know or 30k because it's gonna be 180 sold for 220 the 40 000 so it's
like do you want to de-risk a bit you know because i
mean you look at like there's there's always you know even with you know even with uh the u.s
bombing you know iranian nuclear sites and iran this morning sending missiles over to u.s military
bases in qatar and iraq the market you know i mean when you when you put this together this morning bitcoin was 101.4 it's 103 now you know but the real story in my mind isn't isn't the crypto markets it's
the stock markets specifically with circle circles up another circle circles at 260 you want to share
right now and hit 295 this morning it's still up nine percent you know it's like wild it's like how much is money
worth you know somebody asked me like well why should i buy it why would i buy uscc it's only
worth a dollar i'm like how much is money worth you're literally buying the company you're buying
the money printer when you buy circle you know what i mean so there's opportunity everywhere so
i mean look if you know honestly like if i had four crypto punks right now that i bought for 40 45k a piece i would have sold two
and i would have put that 220k in circle and i would have probably eight exit by our five exit
so you're probably not going to get that much of an allocation you know i mean i i got i got into
the ipo through robin hood i got about 10 of what i wanted so i've just been buying yeah absolutely
so but yeah i mean yeah it is interesting to see i mean the whole markets you know all the
nfts are down you know pudgy pudgy was at eight something um apes were back down to 11.
but yeah crypto punksunks has been you definitely
inadvertently hit
a little bit harder it also doesn't help
that ETH crashed to 2100
now it's at 2300
my god man when is ETH
just going to do it's thing
when they find a good
intern to run their X account
you know
what they need they need Bandit they do they just need bandit to run the um bandit if you get that job i want like some
type of like fee for ben and i for recommending you this but uh but they need they need someone
like bandit some some but they also need like to hone their messaging a bit and yeah i agree
they need to refine their narrative and
they need to have a bit of fun i mean vitalik's milady arc was embarrassing yeah that was just
but but that was a one in a chain of really embarrassing moments yeah but i feel like that
was like the pinnacle and then i mean for me i just kind of stopped paying attention to that
book so i'm like i don't know i i do think that i mean look foundationally like all a lot of stuff is built on top of ethereum let's face it um but yeah like it's destined to
get there yeah i would i there there are a lot of things i would buy before just holding on to eat
right five people that were winning from toshibet i I've picked them out very quickly. I'll let you know who it is.
It's John Tears, Kiko OP, sorry, Kiki OP, Zero Loss.
You wish.
We all do.
Aha.
So A-G-A-H-101 and then Baseboard.
$50 coming to you.
Give me, you know, it takes a few days.
So maybe by the end of the week, make sure it's in there for you.
And Doom, help me pick someone out now to win $100 on Zenko.
Row 8, number 2.
Okay.
And okay.
Right.
That was quick.
Let's see.
Did you do the shit?
Did you do the things?
Come on.
Just do.
Yes, they did the things.
Look at that.
Instant.
Wow. I love it when it's like that instant wow i love it vanquished
snake hey send me your send me your solana address please i love it yeah yeah carry on dude we're
we're finishing up now thank you so much for your time yeah thanks guys have fun melbourne nice one
guys um yep so there you are vanquished snake uh drop me your solana wallet address let me just quickly
give you a follow and um and yeah uh we'll send you a hundred dollars worth of uh zebek not zebek
zenko fucking hell man get your zeds right all the zeds right doom this has been fun we'll be
back tomorrow we'll be back tomorrow with uh clutch markets okay love that oh yeah
i'm looking forward to that they're on ape chain yeah i'm looking forward to seeing what they're
building that sounds interesting it's gonna be good yeah they're building some cool shit i've
been talking with the founder it's it's a cool platform very cool like it all right a lot okay
see you tomorrow and thanks to everyone else have a great week and doug wire team appreciate you as
ever hope you have an amazing event next uh in the next couple of days love you dudes cheers guys
thanks everybody all right see you everybody thanks everyone you guys in a couple days yes yes bye Thank you.
