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Gamified #44 | Web2 Partnering with Web3 | Gam3s Nominees
Recorded: Dec. 6, 2023 Duration: 2:00:27Space Recording
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I'm not going to speak ill of Elon, though, because I've seen some Twitter spaces getting
rugged the last few days.
I think I've been unbanned from Twitter spaces by Elon, so let me know if I start to cut
it out, and I'll rejoin with the Meiji account.
All right, man.
You're slowly crawling your way out of the ditch that Elon tossed you into weeks and weeks
ago.
I keep putting myself back into that ditch, but that's all right.
Appreciate everybody's patience while we get the last couple of people on stage.
I see a bunch of comments already.
Big shout out for that.
Thank you guys so much.
As many of you guys know, this is probably the single last place that you can potentially
get an overworld whitelist, so I have a feeling we're going to have quite a few friends trying
to secure that bag.
My apologies in advance that I can't give all 50 people that have DM'd me in the last hour
one of those whitelists.
I'm going to try my best to make it as fair as humanly possible, but we're going to make
sure that we have a lot of fun today.
Mr. Fresco is also in, what city are we in?
We're in Miami for Art Basel.
Fresco apparently is not in Miami.
He must be somewhere else.
Hey, the internet's cutting out on me, man.
That's not a good sign because we're all on the internet together here.
That was your time to shine, Fresco.
You've lost your opportunity now for the rest of the show.
Oh, yes.
Whatever I'm supposed to say, I say it with aplomb and much gusto.
Well done, brother.
There it is.
That's the magic that we were looking for.
Thank you so much.
Hey, you know, I'm here at this thing and a bunch of people who are going to play video
games.
I see No Knock again.
So I don't know.
That's a consistent thing.
Oh, I'm so done with traveling for the year.
I have one more thing.
I was not going to do Miami into DreamHack.
It wasn't happening.
So jealous that you're going to DreamHack, but really excited to be here in Miami with
so many people that I love and respect.
It feels like a mini 3XP so far and excited to get some more of that.
Omar on the Games GG account.
Feel free to come up as well, my man.
I would love to get your input on some of these things.
Up first, though, he's been cruising the crypto circuit for six years, riding bullish and bearish
waves with a skater swagger.
His journey began with the allure of ice poker, but it was the boundless magic of Web3
Gaming that truly got him going.
With the launch of Web3 Gamer, he's not just a participant.
He's a pioneer propelling the space forward.
From conceiving mind-blowing concepts to hosting an electrifying in real life Web3 Gaming award
show in Miami, where we are today, backed by Immutable, he's dragging us along for the
wild ride, whether we're ready or not.
And now he's partnering with OWNZ to produce the Gamer League, aimed at onboarding the next million
gamers into Web3.
So, ladies and gentlemen, let's give a warm welcome to our first guest, the poker pioneer,
the award show architect.
It's my man, Icy.
Oh, my God.
I'm sitting right next to Sam right now and grinning from ear to ear.
I snuck my way back onto the panel.
I had to fly down to Miami to do it, but so hyped to be here and hang out with everybody
in Miami and, of course, on Gamified.
I'm still trying to vibe for one of those overworld whitelists, so maybe being on the panel, I
can make something happen, but excited, guys.
As my sound also rugs me, I think I'm having some trouble with the Wi-Fi as well.
We're going to try our best to sort through that.
Let me know at any point if I just cut out completely.
Up next, from the hallowed halls of public speaking where words became his weapons, to
arenas beyond our shores where he was heralded as an internationally acclaimed debater, our
co-host's resume reads like an icon's biography.
In the realm of mobile gaming, his touch turns to gold not once, not twice, but a staggering
12 chart-topping times.
Now delving deep into the enigma that is Web3, he's charting unexplored territories with
tribe, enchanting enthusiasts, and inspiring insight.
Welcome to the panel, the baron of blockchain, the monarch of mobile, the Web3 warlord, the
digital deity.
It's faint.
Oh, always love these, man.
I appreciate it, as always.
I'm glad you guys are all, like, actually in Miami for Art Basel, but I'm going to be
honest.
I'm like, knock.
I don't know how you guys keep traveling to all these things.
Maybe you're all still young, but goddamn, there's too many events to keep up.
But so glad to be here, man.
Excited for the show today.
We're trying to stay spry.
Our youth is locked in the airport, apparently.
Up next, from the celestial sanctums of esports empires to the nexus of NFT novelties, emerges
a deity whose deeds resonate through the corridors of digital dominions.
With the strategic prowess of Athena, he spearheaded the rise of 11 in sore esports, shaping the
fate of gaming gladiators.
Overseeing Magic Eden, he's the Hermes of NFT heralds, delivering treasures to the masses.
In the realm of RuneScape, he's the Herculean hero.
And on Rumble, his oracles enlighten us week after week as a steadfast sentinel.
Prepare to be enthralled by the epics of this digital demigod, the maven of Magic Eden,
the emperor of esports.
It's my man, knock.
I love the Hermes line.
That's a new one.
And Fresco, I don't know if you're keeping count, but that's intro number three on the
week.
Yeah, don't forget it, Terry.
Don't you forget it.
Our next panelist is a Bali-based beacon of innovation that has left a trailblazing path
from traditional gaming and venture capital to the creation of his own gaming utopia.
Cutting his teeth in the world of computing on a 56k modem, his odyssey began with the
creation of a Half-Life add-on, marking his initiation into the gaming fraternity.
His passion led him to compete in early professional tournaments where the prize was nothing more than
glory in a mousepad.
Inspired by the asset ownership dynamics of Diablo 2, he envisioned a new gaming realm,
diving deep into mobile gaming and achieving an astonishing 50 million downloads in his
career.
But his quest didn't stop there.
As the tides of Web3 Gaming rose in 2020, he set sail with Unix Gaming, raising an impressive
$30 million.
Under his guidance, the company grew to a robust team of 35 innovating at the frontiers of
gaming.
Now with Owens Gamer League, he looks to be the bridge that extends across the chasm from Web2
to Web3.
Welcome to the panel, the founder of Unix and owned.
It's Mirko.
Hey, thank you for the nice intro.
And yeah, I wish I could be also in Miami, but as Shane said, I don't know, like you guys,
you can keep doing it.
I don't know.
I don't have the energy for like five, six conferences in a year.
But yeah, thank you.
I'm very excited for the space.
Great to have you on for the first time, Mirko.
Up next, he's not just fluent in Japanese.
He's fluent in forging fantastic business opportunities, a true maven in business development
and marketing.
He's been leaving a trail of success alongside Shrapnel.
But that's not all.
He's turned down prestigious opportunities to pursue a master's degree abroad, all in the
name of chasing a career in the exhilarating world of Web3.
In 2019, he had a once-in-a-lifetime experience where he attended the Major League Soccer Cup
final.
There, he witnessed his beloved Seattle Sounders claim the championship, etching a memory for
a lifetime.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's give a warm welcome to the multilingual marketing maestro, the
Web3 visionary, the soccer super fan.
It's Psycho.
Yo, what's up?
It's exciting to have an intro for the very first time.
I saw Noc over there, the games guys.
You guys are all Sounders fans.
Love to see it.
I'm a TFC fan, baby.
TFC!
It's okay.
You'll come over to our site eventually.
Wait, are we actually debating about MLS soccer teams out of all of this stuff?
I'm just saying.
That's how I know.
I'm Italian.
We got two Italian players.
I gotta cheer for that team.
Wow.
I would have never guessed that that would be the deep cut that drove a wedge between
our panel, but you gotta love it.
Appreciate the passion, guys.
Up next, battling blazes and bolstering businesses.
Our guest's brilliance bridges both bravery and boardroom bounties from the scorching scenes
of smoky skyscrapers to the sophisticated sectors of scaling startups.
He's seamlessly shifted, showing a shrewd skill set seldom seen.
It's not just fires he's fought, but the fervent fields of financial forays he's fortuitously
fostered.
Having harnessed hefty weights in Web 2 with revenues rolling royally, he's now navigating
the nuanced nexus of Web 3, weaving wonders with every winning wager.
It's the mastermind with the Midas touch.
It's Jerry, the golden god singer, now part of the Mind Green, who's the girlfriend team.
Let's go.
Yeah, said with much gusto and much aplomb, Sam.
Also looked at me dead in the eye that whole time, so a little intimidated.
Also, Icy, kind of mad-dogging me.
I don't think I might have upset him.
And, you know, Saint, I feel offended right now because he shut down our MLB references
and now they're talking about MLS.
I feel like, you know, that's not cool.
Yeah.
And pumped to be working with my good friend, Sinjin, on the Meiji team.
So, you know, super pumped about that.
Just started that, you know, this month and super excited to hit the ground running with it.
Hell, yeah.
Excited for both of you guys.
Big congratulations.
Up next, prepare for an encounter with a mastermind melding the might of AI with the marvels of gaming,
where he orchestrates the symphony of artificial intelligence in gaming.
Forged in the fires of traditional finance, he navigated a $7 billion investment portfolio,
pioneering paths in crypto and AI-powered trading algorithms.
But it's not just about numbers and net worth.
He's an intellectual alchemist, blending diverse investment strategies to unveil a unique vision unseen by those tethered to traditional thinking.
This innovative mindset is the crucible from which AI Arena was born,
a game studio that thrives on creativity rather than convention.
Beyond the boardrooms and bike codes, he experiences the joys and challenges of fatherhood.
His four-month-old son, a budding beacon of charm and charisma.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome the father, the financier, the futurist, and the architect of AI artistry
and the herald of the new horizon of gaming, its way.
Yo, Sam.
What's up, guys?
Really happy to be here.
I got to get some pointers from you on what kind of warm-up exercises you do before coming on to the show
because it's one thing to write these intros.
It's a whole other thing to try to deliver it the way that you do.
So, yeah, we got a chat offline, but super pumped to be here.
Appreciate that.
This time the warm-up was frantically running out of an Uber and trying to connect to Airbnb Wi-Fi.
So, can confirm it's going mediocre at best right now.
But we're trying to get through it.
A couple more to go.
While many meander through the maze of mediocrity, this maestro melds might and melody, making masterpieces that mystify many.
Emerging from the echoes of elite enterprises, from the serene sanctums of strategic sales to Alibaba,
to the sizzling stage of Sin City's poker showdowns,
his prowess in poker is paralleled only by the proficiency in punctuating the peripheries of what's permissible.
He's a consumer of souls, a gatekeeper of knowledge.
Ladies and gentlemen, introducing the paragon of poker, the unparalleled titan of taboo,
the new employer of Fresco that is steering the ship of my angry Yakuza girlfriend.
It's Sin Jan.
Hey, thanks, Sam.
I hope you and Fresco and Ice Cube are enjoying Miami.
If you run out of supplies, you can always call me and I can call my friends to hook you guys up for some enjoyment.
All legal, of course, and productive.
Yes, of course.
Speaking of unlimited Meiji tokens, because we have a field full of laptops set out in front of us,
and we can play all night long.
Appreciate that, Sin Jan.
Always looking out for the boys.
You are the best.
Last but not least, enter the digital domain's dynamic.
Denizen, the sly strategist who seamlessly stitches our symposiums into seamless sagas.
In the labyrinth of our lively discussions, he's the silent sentinel that steadies the ship.
As the conversation cascades into the cryptic corners of Web 3, he's the curator of clarity,
the weaver of wisdom, deftly demystifying the densest of discourses.
Now, Stan and Slute, the sage that scales the summits of support,
the nimble navigator of our narrative, the petite but powerful patriarch,
it's the Little Lizard Legend, my co-host, Lambs.
The NGM, how's it going down there in Miami?
Not jealous at all of you guys getting to hang out, IRL,
and get to go check out some stuff down there.
You guys going to get to play some shrapnel?
I know that was part of the thing that you were teased.
I'm desperately hoping that we do get to.
Of course, today, guys, I want to give a shout-out to our sponsors.
We got some amazing stuff coming down the pipeline.
Avalanche and shrapnel always hooking us up.
We also have some overworld whitelists, some mixed mob NFTs, and some edge-of-chaos NFTs.
The giving will not stop today.
But first, gather around gaming gladiators and digital dynamos
as we dive into another dazzling episode of Gamified.
But first, let's give a glacial greeting to the Goliath that grounds us in great gaming galaxies.
Avalanche, the official blockchain of Gamified,
in the vast, frosty frontiers of the blockchain world,
where obscurity often overshadows opportunity.
Avalanche emerges as the Arctic architect.
This titan of technology triumphs over the tundra,
transforming the treacherous terrain of digital ledger ladlements
into a clear, navigatable nexus as we embark on today's tech trek.
Avalanche is our polar pathfinder,
skillfully steering us through the snowstorms of speculation
and the icebergs of innovation.
They're not just carving a niche.
They're crafting a crypto kingdom in the cold.
I want to give an overworld whitelist
to somebody that tags Avalanche and Shrapnel.
That's where the first one is going.
I want you guys to say thank you so much
to my two wonderful sponsors.
And in your own words,
whoever has the coolest thank you to them,
we'll be getting whitelist number one
and maybe one of the edge-of-chaos NFTs as well.
So excited to have them week after week.
And I just want to show as much appreciation as I can
in this episode.
Feeling the love being here with all the homies.
Embrace yourselves for a blast of ballistic brilliance
as we spotlight our other sponsor,
the titan of tactical triumph,
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is a high-octane odyssey
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With Shrapnel, you're not just firing bullets,
you're launching a legacy
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And with that, ladies and gentlemen,
we move on to our first topic.
Big deal, little deal, no deal.
We're coming in hot.
Web 3 games are colliding
with Web 2 esports brands.
Unfortunately, Mr. Wild Paul
was not able to make it today,
but we are talking.
Wild Card is going to be a dream hack.
We've got Team Liquid partnering with Illuvium
and then Team Secret striking a deal with Zy.
This all is brand new news
that's come out in the last month or so.
My question for the panel
isn't necessarily about one of these specific partnerships
that were signed,
but in general,
is this a big deal
that we're seeing these Web 2 esports organizations
normalizing the pathway to partnering
with these Web 3 organizations?
Lams, the little is a legend.
I'll send it over to you first.
Yeah, I'm not going to pick out any specific one
like you said there
because some of these
might not be significant activations.
Other ones might be more significant than others,
but at the end of the day,
I think it's a big deal
because it sets us in the right path.
We're getting people,
we're getting exposed to Web 3.
People can start to see
there's real stuff being built
and people just tend to follow
the opinions of others as well.
We've heard it from people in the Wolves before
who stream games and they say,
oh, I've had people just hating on NFTs on my stream.
But then they go,
what's an NFT?
They don't even know
what they're actually hating on.
So when they start to see streamers
that they respect and like
streaming games
that actually have blockchain integrations,
I think it's a step in the right direction.
So I think it's a big deal.
Well said.
Singe in the Titan of Taboo.
Over to you.
I think it's a little deal.
I don't think it has much clout at all.
I think where a lot of the esports organizations are,
they're not in a great place.
They're in transition as well.
So I think optically it looks great,
but I think for the long term,
it's not really going to amass much,
especially with a lot of the esports organizations
having gamers that are very competitive,
but also very nitpicky
and also not really into the NFT space.
As Lens was saying,
I mean, it's great exposure,
but I don't think it's really going to go anywhere.
All right.
The man behind the owned account tagging you in next.
Yeah, so I think the esports scene anyway,
they're not in the best states, I think,
because, you know,
sponsoring is slowly becomes super hard to get.
It's not the time anymore when Coca-Cola, Red Bull,
all the big ones,
they're throwing money at these sponsor teams
because it's just not enough return of investment,
I would say.
And so there is, of course,
new monetization ways what they open up to.
And I think Lens mentioned it there.
Also, you expect them,
basically,
the team with their following,
of course,
attract new user bases
and these new user bases
then basically going into the,
you know, NFT space
and being more excited about it
and converting there
then basically into a new Web3 user.
But, yeah,
overall saying,
I would think we will see more and more moves
and I think we have already seen,
for example,
Avalanche with TSM and Faker,
there's already a huge deal.
Yeah,
and super excited,
like,
what Web3 companies will,
you know,
partner with esports team
more on a,
yeah,
heavy level,
like tournaments
and I think it could be a new era of esports.
But, yeah,
let's see,
being excited.
Yeah,
great call out.
Thanks for mentioning
the T1 sponsorship as well
and, of course,
the TSM Blitz one.
We've been seeing our timeline
absolutely flooded
with Coop posting
all sorts of TSM goodness.
I think he's in LA right now.
Knock,
the emperor of esports.
Can't wait to get your take
on this one, brother.
Knock?
Is he there?
I'm good.
We're good.
We're good.
I'm stupid
and I couldn't unmute.
I think a lot of the folks
in the Web3 space
and, more broadly speaking,
the gaming space
that weren't necessarily
in esports
think that it's some
big revelation
that sponsorship dollars
just don't work
for esports organizations.
But every single one
of these organizations
has known
for the better part
of the last decade
that it was just
never going to cut it
and sponsorships
were just a way
to sort of
offset costs
as you found
product market fit.
What I think
a lot of teams
are realizing
is that that PMF
for the esports industry
is probably
through consumer products
or game publishing
to some degree
and we've seen success.
We've seen examples
of this in the past.
We saw League of Legends
and TSM
tied to the rise
of one another.
You're seeing TSM
ship blitz
with what Illuvium
and Team Liquid
are doing.
I think we should be
looking at these
as less as
a transactional
sponsorship style
partnership
and potentially
more like
the future
of esports
through game publishing.
I've had a couple
of conversations
behind closed doors
with a number
of people
both in NA
and in Europe
decision makers
in these organizations
who are asking
about game publishing
and how do we
get involved
and how do we
partner ourselves
or better align
ourselves with a couple
of games
in the hopes that
if those games
take off
we'll see sort of
our own little
renaissance moment.
So I actually think
that this is
a really big deal
for the future
of esports.
How effective
it's going to be
for the Web3 scene
is yet to be seen.
It kind of relies
truthfully
on decision makers
from the esports
perspective.
Those people
historically have not
made the best decisions
so I think it's
a little bit of
an up in the air
middle deal
a medium deal
for the Web3 space
but it's definitely
a potential game changer
for the future
of esports.
All right
the golden god
Fresco
over to you.
halfway agree
with what
Nox said.
I view
this
kind of
recent blitz
of things
that's happening
as mostly
transactional.
I do think
that there is
a future
and I hope
with the last part
of what Nox said
about esports
teams
stepping up
as publishers
is huge
and I think
that is the future
of esports.
The other thing
that Nox said
is these people
have traditionally
made really poor
decisions
and we all
know that
from just looking
at the history
of esports
with that
with those
poor decision makers
game publishing
is not easy
it's actually
really difficult
so I don't know
that I trust
these people
to actually
step up
in that kind
of role
I do think
that's going
to be the next
shot on goal
that they try
to take
next
just for Saint
that will be
the next
at bat
Sam shakes
his head
doesn't want
me to talk
about baseball
anymore
but I just
don't think
I don't know
that I'm super
excited about
any of it
if there's
one thing
I've learned
from this
panel though
is that
if Faker's
involved
then we
support it
Well said
less baseball
analogies
more esports
analogies
Saint over
to you man
I want to
start off
with the
baseball
analogy
appreciate
the chat
no it's
really
interesting
you know
really for
I view
this
as a
deal
a reason
I view
this
as a
deal
on the
web3
side
is that
we've
already
seen
this
playbook
this
isn't
really
compelling
playbook
and to
honest
still
think
it's
early
bring
those
audiences
over
what
web3
financialized
crypto
games
actually
don't
think
you're
going
strong
these
companies
believe
second
problem
that
honestly
biggest
challenge
we've
is that
they
already
have
tarnished
reputation
mean
guys
didn't
today
mean
think
signals
phase
banks
just
posted
favorite
gaming
coins
right
remembered
from
last
that
essentially
signal
that
wanted
probably
this
kind
becomes
like
interesting
challenge
here
three
side
know
think
side
regard
behalf
esports
more
interesting
they
should
extracting
dollars
left
right
probably
know
sponsors
platforms
networks
willing
them
actually
don't
like
deals
that
have
been
mentioned
here
today
mainly
because
it's
showcasing
real
growth
strategies
real
product
market
think
this
reality
about
three
partnerships
almost
make
sense
unless
they're
luxury
customer
this
point
that's
hardest
challenges
understand
speculative
three
well
said
saying
side
behind
shrapnel
account
over
yeah
well
wanted
jump
could
throw
that
next
time
knock
doesn't
show
then
this
topic
specifically
I don't
have
as much
knowledge
knock
others
esports
industry
itself
think
look
from
thousand
foot
view
collection
these
different
attempts
bats
we're
going
lean
into
Fresco's
theme
think
that
that
think
that's
deal
because
while
this
contrast
gaming
media
free
blockchain
scam
that
stuff
continue
time
time
again
that
people
continue
interested
this
industry
technology
everything
that
comes
with
think
it's
really
bullish
signal
a lot
feel
validated
this
happen
time
time
again
gotta
gonna
give
this
anything
this
comment
gonna
make
laugh
hopefully
a few
Belito
says
in the
comments
would
drag
nuts
through
a sea
piranhas
for an
overworld
whitelist
ah man
thanks for
making my
unfortunately
that's not
gonna get
you one
but it
will
make
we're
gonna
give
couple
soon
knock
that
just
fucking
wild
think
first
things
first
just
as a
general
if you
Banks
tweet
about
fucking
anything
he is
extractor
of all
extractors
he's even
extracted
his own
company
to the
point
where
FaZe Clan
died
and then
had to
rescued
and now
he's
been
given
keys
again
kill
again
yeah
away
from
will
this
you're
looking
some
card
will
main
stage
Dreamhack
about
week
that
feels
like
much
more
impactful
partnership
moment
people
trying
users
comfortable
with
idea
we've
talked
about
this
idea
a few
times
show
order
bring
traditional
gamers
you need
first
make
them
comfortable
with
idea
that
exist
ways
that
event
like
Dreamhack
showcase
game
have
people
their
hands
game
that
this
game
first
NFTs
like
secondary
tertiary
item
that
important
because
high
level
Dreamhack
doesn't
mean
a lot
people
listening
here
you're
Dreamhack
I'll
stage
Dreamhack
competed
dozens
these
tournaments
very
long
time
something
that
means
types
people
participate
Dreamhack
follow
teams
that
there
it's
really
good
opportunity
game
like
wildcard
that
competitive
nature
that
really
high
quality
gameplay
even
this
early
Team
Liquid
Illuvium
partnership
it's
partner
with
esports
organization
sudden
we're
going
hundreds
thousands
players
should
looking
least
potentially
hundreds
thousands
people
gamers
know
that
exist
hopefully
over
time
we'll
more
comfortable
with
idea
that
exist
love
this
topic
really
interesting
debate
whether
this
positive
very
interesting
conversation
regard
esports
brands
coming
into
Web3
think
larger
conversation
have
about
timing
this
actually
what
think
biggest
problem
especially
last
cycle
brought
a lot
these
users
course
this
actual
infrastructure
Web3
awful
right
just
wasn't
this
became
major
reason
many
these
people
turned
exactly
worried
about
same
problem
happening
still
think
timing
wrong
like
when
we're
talking
about
best
Web3
games
we're
still
talking
about
primarily
games
beta
don't
really
have
core
games
moment
right
that
scalable
with
real
product
market
things
it's
rather
play
within
this
infrastructure
play
this
different
game
this
different
game
understanding
have
whale
users
willing
huge
live
events
together
willing
play
with
financialized
upside
well
that
persona
web2
gamers
really
ever
better
wallet
still
stuck
market
places
still
stuck
smart
contracts
still
stuck
still
sucks
this
really
place
that
want
bring
users
think
that's
probably
most
important
question
that
think
gets
overlooked
this
convo
because
think
timing
what's
most
important
great
stuff
Sinjin
tagging
going
this
like
little
like
whatever
topic
just
passed
that
guys
actually
getting
into
guys
like
real
reality
check
here
okay
esports
like
actual
like
games
that
compose
esports
best
games
world
they're
most
competitive
they're
most
refined
they're
most
polished
right
then
you're
going
introduce
esports
spectators
players
games
right
this
isn't
going
turn
them
from
crypto
games
games
games
product
market
collaboration
it's
just
good
think
it's
mainly
because
where
a lot
esports
teams
they're
looking
something
terms
like
esports
companies
they knew
that
sponsorship
between
before
they
found
their
product
market
like
2005
KESPA
Korea
when
Blizzard
basically
took over
the IP
again
and said
look
we own
the esports
you guys
don't
you know
that has
been known
since that
time
but literally
it's been
like
oh my god
like 18
years
since that
happened
I don't
know if
my math
is right
there
but it's
been a
long
time
and you
know
then you
had this
huge
boom
in the
west
of esports
organizations
intimately
know a
lot of
management
originally
in esports
and you
know
they're
just
there
executive
wise
and stuff
like
I think
there's
been a
lot of
changes
a lot
you know
things
that have
changed
but like
introducing
them to
these kind
of games
right now
I don't
think it's
a smart
move on
their part
I don't
think it's
a smart
move on
wet 3's
part either
I don't
think people
really understand
the expectations
that are
there within
the competitive
esports
you know
player base
well said
I see a bunch
of hands
I'm sorry
guys we
gotta move
I want to
give the
first
overworld
whitelist
shout out
and congrats
to AK29
he says
I could
chat
some crazy
stuff
but rather
I would
give a
sincere
thanks to
AVAX
and Play
Shrapnel
for sponsoring
the show
and Sam
Stefanina
for supporting
creators
building
infrastructure
that actually
makes sense
to grow
the space
and both
showing that
Web 3 is
legitimate
and not
going
anywhere
that just
means the
absolute
world
to me
congrats
for getting
that
overworld
whitelist
we're also
going to
give an
edge of
chaos
matey
he says
AVAX
although you
symbolize a
blizzard
you bring
a blaring
light
on the
power
of Web 3
gaming
evident by
Play
Shrapnel
who's
uprooting
the Web
3 gaming
space
a true
goat
thanks so
much
Shrapnel
and AVAX
thank you
guys so
much for
those kind
words
really
appreciate it
and real
quick note
on edge
of chaos
NFTs
their current
game is a
retro dungeon
crawler
where age
of empires
meets Diablo
and a
triple A
supermassive
sandbox
survival game
is currently
in production
at the
moment
they're also
running a
fun trivia
advent calendar
with $40,000
worth of prize
pools so
even if you
don't win
an edge
of chaos
NFT which
is already
worth like
.1 ETH
make sure
you go check
them out as
well to
potentially get
some of those
prizes
speaking of
prizes though
we got
Jeremy Horn
joining us
for just a
few good
minutes
Jeremy I
just wanted
to give
you a
shout out
thank you
again for
giving us
more
overworld
whitelists
than I've
seen literally
across the
rest of
Web 3
combined over
the last
couple of
months
appreciate you
so much
no of
course
I mean
you're a
real friend
and you
friends do
not last
forever
real friends
do so
just wanted
to make
sure like
anything I
can do to
help I'll
always do
it but
yeah I
haven't been
on a
gaming fight
in so long
I feel like
it's been
a whirlwind
but you
guys I
mean you've
always been
supportive and
I think that's
like I'm
just going to
say that and
then I'm
going to
bounce because
I need to
work on
some really
critical stuff
but you
know we've
seen during
the bear a
lot of
you know
content creators
that just
did not if
you are not
like
minting this
exact month
or exact
minute right
they would
not give
you the
time of
day but
you Sam
and the
folks at
Wolves Dow
like you
were still
communicating and
catering and
caring about
like all of
the developers
that are
building right
that were
building in the
bear I think
that that makes
a huge
difference I
think for us
personally so
that's kind of
like my
sappy story
about you and
the folks
at Gimmy
Fight
thanks so
much Jeremy
that means a
ton to me
and you guys
I've always
seen the
vision even
whenever you
weren't close
to minting
I've been so
excited for
over six
months now
about what
you were
putting together
so so
thrilled that
it's right
around the
corner and
so thrilled to
be able to
share it with
so many people
in the community
that have been
supporting us
along the way
and so it's
just one giant
virtuous funnel
circle whatever
you want to
call it that's
happening right
now so
appreciate you
man and best
of luck as
we approach
the mint
you say
circle I would
have said
something less
polite but I'll
keep it for
an utter space
all right
thanks everyone
bye bye
take care
bye bye
thanks Jeremy
sleep deprived
I'm sure
and hopefully
he makes it
through to the
15th still in
one piece I
know he's been
getting an
insane amount
of DMs if
I've been getting
a lot of DMs
Jeremy must be
getting absolutely
wrecked every
single day so
big shout out to
him for still
keeping his
composure we
also have some
mixed mob
NFTs their
white paper is
going to be
coming out
Thursday the
NFTs I think
have a value of
$250 each and
they're also
attached to the
coin that's
coming in some
way so a lot
to look out for
there so huge
thank you to
mixed mob for
also hooking us
up but we're
going to move on
to quick fire
games GG awards
the games GG
awards are coming
up on December
14th which we're
obviously really
excited for we've
had it as a few
different topics
already this year
next week we're
going to do game
of the year because
it's literally
going to be like
24 hours before
they do that
show and so I'm
really excited to
do game of the
year with everybody
right before the
show happens and I
just found out that
I'm actually going to
be announcing the
game of the year I
don't know if I'm
allowed to say that
or not but it just
did so it's it's
too late I'm very
excited thank you
guys for the honor I
can't wait to do
that but we got a
couple of good ones
outside of game of
the year we're doing
most anticipated game
of the year top five
nominees are off the
grid star atlas
shard bound shrapnel
and tree verse I
know a lot of
people have also
been really excited
for parallel colony
you don't necessarily
have to pick something
on the list but I
would love to hear
what you think is
actually going to win
as well we're going
to go around the
horn and I want your
30 second pitch on
what your most
anticipated game of
the year is you're
not allowed to pick
your own just for the
record but you know
wait we all know
it's it's AI arena
obviously but lens I'm
sending it to you
first all right well
I'm not picking this
one just because
they're a sponsor but
shrapnel is definitely
my most anticipated
game of the year
don't need to give a
pitch for them like
everyone knows who
they are at this
point and some of
that's probably FOMO
from not being at any
conferences this year
I know everyone else
seems I've got to
enjoy playing the game
and I'm one of the
few people who hasn't
played it yet so yeah
really excited for their
early access so yeah
that definitely takes
the cake for me
Mirko from owned I
would love to hear your
take on the most
anticipated game of the
year 30 seconds
yeah I need to say
I'm a shooter guy so
definitely shooters are
attracting me and I'm
looking more closely I
have a lot of
experience there and
yeah shrapnel is
definitely my one of my
picks I'm not the
extraction guy but yeah
then I so I think the
favorite here for me
personally is Godzilla
it's just polish it's
just I know the team
I've been there and
visit them in Frankfurt
and I yeah they
just did a great job
everybody doing a great
job here especially you
know building web three
games but yeah I'm very
excited for shrapnel
once again just
refreshing the topic
off the grid star
atlas shard balance
shrapnel and three
verse are the last five
standings thing I'm tagging
you in
oh my bet is always here is
gonna be parallel colony I'm
betting on AI and web three
being the absolute breakout I
think that is gonna be the
game that actually defines what
web three gaming will end up
becoming so anyone working in
that intersection huge shout out
as well to AI arena and way here
on the stage there's a couple of
the games doing it but I love the
idea of like this idea of AI
agents controlling wallets and
being able to have their own
interaction the amount of
gameplay opportunities there is
mind-boggling and the fact that
there's actual financialized
ownership it is a perfect fit of
a game that cannot be done in web
two and absolutely needs web three
that's the type of game we need
for a breakout
yeah you love to hear it that
they're enabling with web three
technology as well as AI
knock I'm sending it over to you
next
yeah I've already given flowers to
the shrapnel off the grid star
atlas earlier this week so I'm
gonna go with a little bit of a
different tune here and talk a
little bit about tree verse I
think that they're not getting the
attention that they really deserve
that is a team that has put
together a game that is really
polished they get the little
things right this it sounds good
it looks good it feels cozy it is
the type of game that I can just
like sit down and play for hours
without even knowing that time has
gone by for me those little things
especially like the the actual
sounds when you're in an
environment mean a lot when you're
playing a game like tree verse and
they've got it right for me they
have to be a candidate they have to
be at the top of that list or close
to it for me I think that they're
doing an incredible job they deserve
a lot more attention that they're
getting
all right guys we're currently sitting
at over 500 concurrent listeners
we've gotten insane 164 retweets I
want to see 200 as soon as we hit
200 retweets I'm going to be giving
out a overworld white list we're
going to give out another edge of
chaos NFT value there at least point
nine or point zero nine ETH right now
but in the meantime we move on to
Mr. Guay from AI Arena what's your
most anticipated game besides
obviously your own
yeah I mean this is going to sound
like a little bit of a cop-out
because I'm going to streamline our
similar category of AI gaming but
Parallel Colony I think I think the
part about it that strikes me is that
in some ways the rules of the game
itself is emergent and that's really
has never been done before it's pretty
radical it's a mind-bender to try to
even think about that it's highly risky
from the perspective of how this game
actually runs in real life because
is rather unpredictable what the agents
would do and the emergent properties
that come out of that so I'm very
interested to kind of monitor how that
entire franchise evolves so I think I
agree with saying like Web3 is where
you can be radical and really push the
envelope so I'm really looking forward
to Colony
big shout out for that we did an AI
mastermind for anybody who wants to
hear a bit more about that Guay was
actually one of the great guests on that
show you can find it on my channel if
you want to hear more about his amazing
project and Parallel Colony I send it
over to Saigo on the shrapnel account
you know so we're a little bit of a
homer over here it's a homer pick but
it's actually not even Parallel Colony
it's parallel the other game modes that
are coming out probably over the next
year I think people have kind of
forgotten that it's not just a TCG I
know Koji's mentioned like some you
know more kind of marble snap-esque type
modes or 3v3 modes there's a lot of
different I think interesting game modes
that are come out of these kind of
cards as primitives with the games
they've built and I've kind of seen
this done over with like so rare and
kind of the sports trading card world
and so I'm really excited to see how
that kind of redefines the idea of what
a trading card is how it can be used and
how your community can kind of take it
and run with it in other directions in
the future so that's that's my pick but
I'm heavily biased because I love
Parallel. The Parallel Shrapnel collab
never seems to end. I see I'm tagging
you in next bro. Yeah man I mean like
the cop-out answer is like I'm so
excited for Shrapnel I talk about it on
like so many spaces but I'm gonna go
with the dark horse here I'm really
looking forward to Star Atlas actually
like after seeing the GTA 6 trailer
which come on let's be honest that's
like the the real most anticipated
game across the board getting all the
fields but I want a game that is like
so immersive it has that story and the
characters and like the missions and I
tweeted out the other day that like I'm
really missing a game that brings you
in and has you you know
enthralled with the lore and it's
the lore and it's something that likes
our Atlas bring that to the fray I know
that they've got a massive undertaking
and it's it's pretty far out but I'm
hoping that you know a game like that
can bring that experience into web 3 and
just you know give it give us something
new but of course Shrapnel can't wait
so I go get on it nice save there at the
end Fresco over to you my man yeah Shrapnel
doesn't give me a hoodie then it's Shrapnel's
off my list I would say yeah I'm with Icy I
think Star Atlas I think is kind of one of
the original promises what we thought
about when web 3 gaming was first starting
to be pitched and talked about and you
know as a game that has a ton of people
who are interested in it have their eyes
on it and I think a genre that people you
know will flock to if they can get off
the ground so you know for those reasons
obviously we talked about Shrapnel we talk
about Gunzilla we talk about parallel a lot
but do you want to you know there is a lot
of other just great games building and I
think you know Star Atlas has has some
potential we talked on Monday about some
doubts that we all have but you know if
they can get some of that stuff off the
ground in the next year I think they'll be
in a good spot all right knock of course
over to you yeah just wanted to say if
if either Parallel Colony or Star Atlas
deliver on what they're trying to achieve
and I think that they rightfully have
their own skeptics and both of those
teams would tell you that because they
know that it's it's a massive undertaking
but if either of those games are actually
delivered it changes the face of what
gaming looks like period there are two
things that have never really been done
to that degree there's a couple of teams
in the traditional space we're trying to
do or have delivered some version of Star
Atlas but never really on that scale and
the idea of like autonomous AI agents
like doing their own shit and owning
things in a game is so hard to even
comprehend that I think people will just
be blown away if that's actually ever
delivered so those are two that I think
are really highly anticipated for obvious
reasons but I think that they're also the
most challenging to actually deliver
all right I have a question I'm going to
ask the question then I'm going to send
it to LEMS to give away a whitelist and
then we're going to go back and still get
those hands up guys I want to hear from
you guys based on this this voting that
we just did or who we're supporting who
we're predicting I want to hear from the
founders that we have on what does it
mean for your studio whenever you win an
award like this I mean we literally have
the 2022 most anticipated winner on the
stage right now in Shrapnel, Sinjin, Saint,
Guay I'm sure you guys have experience
here as well is it easier to fundraise
what is the the hype the bump that you
see in people making accounts the people
that come into your discord whenever you
win an award like this how significant
is it I would love to get it that that
insight from people that have kind of had
that experience sink it the hand up first
I'll send it to you just after LEMS
announces the winner from the retweet
whitelist for overworld over to you LEMS
oh if I can figure out how to unmute
them that would help yeah big shout out
to ramen cash he's here I feel like I
see him here in the comments every
single week he's just like every week
and yeah shout out for retweeting and
he also made an amazing meme last week
as well so like double win you you're
retweeting the space you're making
memes for us yeah overworld whitelist
for you sir all right big shout out to
ramen cash he's been shredding it
Saint tagging you a man what does it
mean to win an award like this for a
studio for a game yeah I mean I think
everyone has slightly different
pro you know reactions to it I think
you know when we're this early in the
space it's just great for top of funnel
like no matter what it's undeniable
where when you get a reward you know
they're just awareness it's another
reason for people to click through into
your product experience right you kind
of want to view it all purely as a
funnel right is what is the elements and
areas of success that will allow people
to go further down my funnel click
through in the conversion and usually
putting awards on your front page is a
really good way it's the same reason
why people put VC badges right on their
front page or how much they've raised
right it's co-signaling of success which
I think is important so you know
especially in web 3 I think there's some
value there but you know the honest
truth in the end is like it kind of
doesn't matter also at the same time
right if I put it be like also
transparent because you go right back
to building right and like if it's not
converting to a growth of course there's
value in being respected by your peers
if that's something you also see but
also at the same time right it's just
turning the corner right because the
job's not done especially for most of
these projects here as well so I think
it's way more fulfilling in console
gaming I think it's way less fulfilling
in live operating gamings right console
games you've already shipped it you
could actually take in the praise right
it's kind of like the Oscars the movie's
already gone right when you're building a
live operations game it's just like ah
shit I'm glad I won something but guess
what I have to literally go back and
deal with a hundred stupid tickets the
next morning right so you're just right
back into the grind and that's the hard
part about being able to kind of
embrace it but of course you know you
know ability to spell the flowers when
you have them is incredibly important so
take my feedback with a grain of salt
but that's been my experience in the
past
that's well said crypto haddo has a great
comment he says the AI talk is upsetting
me I want a game I don't want to
speculate if my AI bot can game well
shrapnel psycho tagging you in
oh that's a good comment
yeah I was gonna pretty much agree with
saying like I think it's a it's a nice
signal right you know everybody loves
getting awards and you get to pat
yourself on the back and it feels good
and all that but I think we can all
agree that you know we're winning
awards in a space that hasn't kind of
cemented itself in you know in kind of
where we all think gaming is going and
so it's kind of like a cautious cautiously
optimistic when when when we win awards
and stuff like this and it's if anything
it's really just kind of validated the
path that we're on so everybody kind of
at the studio take take a moment you
know pat each other on the back clap you
know give us a chance to kind of look at
the community give them a win for
supporting us and but like the reality is
until that game shipped and you know
we're absolutely crushing it turning heads
and kind of the rest of the gaming
world it's it's kind of a I guess a little
deal to use the theme of gamified but
yeah appreciate that perspective fresco
sending it over you
yeah I definitely want to let like the
founders kind of speak to what like
impact that has to who you directed the
question towards but I want to say
something that's not like to be slept on
is the kind of rewards that the games gg team
sends out afterwards right those aren't
insignificant to a team that's you know
we're all we're all pre-revenue right
none of us are making a ton of money yet
and so things like that like google cloud
credits or aws credits I mean you know
I'm sure they can speak more to some of
that stuff but you know those things
aren't insignificant and I you know from
my previous experience with them I mean I
met Omar because he kept putting me in
telegram chats right and then I finally
was like hey dude like I don't even know
who you are like what's going on here and
so but that was a huge boost for for us
you know project I used to work for and
so you know that stuff shouldn't be
slept on yeah for anybody that doesn't
know they're giving over I believe over
two million dollars worth of prizes don't
quote me on that but Amazon cloud credits
and all sorts of cool things to help
these studios kind of get over the hump
so big shout out for not only doing the
award show but also trying to actually
help these guys get across the finish
line way from AI arena tagging you in
yeah I think from a from a signaling
perspective and you know being
recognized is obviously it feels good
for anyone but but I think two things I
want to highlight number one is I think
we're so early in web3 gaming it we're
all part of a early community all
together right as much as we're in some
ways competitors as much as we are kind
of forcing our own path we're all
together on this journey as a as a small
ecosystem and you know shout out to the
games gg team for you know coordinating
this type of format it's a way for all of
us to support each other in the growth of
something that's going to be really really
exciting right and I fundamentally believe
that web3 gaming ultimately will carve out
its position in gaming wholesale and we can
all look back on this period of time and be
really really kind of happy and fond of the
early experiences the trials to tribulations
the happiness the frustration so it's I think
overall it's like a overall celebration of web3
gaming as a starting point and then for for me as a founder as a co-founder I
think you know I spent a lot of time being more publicly focused and facing so
I'm more of like a conduit and a mouthpiece for our project but I think
anytime you get a an award like this or even just nominated is it's it's great
to provide that recognition for the broader team of people behind the scenes
that are building on this every single day right so it's one of those things
that we really want to kind of put forward to the public to recognize the
entire team that's building these projects is it's fucking hard building a
brutal building in web3 so it's a great time to just like shine the spotlight on
all of the people that are involved in web3 gaming
love that we're running a little bit behind so Mirko I'm going to send it over to you
but ask you to keep it quick
yeah I just want to then pick up so the yeah very good to see the a lot of games
repeatedly going on to these awards because it's a tough time I think like
bear market and it's again brutal to build in web3 and and you know all the
challenges we have with regulation and securities and all that stuff
and yeah for games for sure it's a signal but I think it's like very important at
the end the gamers are the game need to be good at the end and you know there's
like one thing is to build up a huge hype and just want to give a little
comparison with for example Diablo 4 great marketing great gameplay looks like
feels like but then their user basically stepped off so easy because there was no
end game and even the largest companies and the thousand rewards in the
beginning you know doesn't help them you know so there's like of course one
marketing vehicle to get nominated and so on but the game need to be good the
game need to be polished so please take yourself time make it perfect go to the
market and then here we go we all have fun and over to knock the emperor of
esports yeah I mean we're all sitting here
building in web3 and we're forgetting one of the most important pieces of the
web3 equation and it's eyeballs especially at this early stage if you're
building a game in web3 and you're not playing the web3 game you're already
behind it is way too fucking hard in the space to build if you're not playing
the game what they have done here at games has created this environment where
we've been talking about this non-stop for the last four weeks the team that
wins this is going to be celebrated from a large twitter account in games on a
large platform that is bringing in and cataloging a ton of games it is a
massive top of funnel distribution saint said this at the beginning of the
conversation I kind of feel like it's been glossed over of course winning
award does nothing for your actual game in terms of whether or not the game is
going to be good of course you need to continue to build that game but what it
does for you especially in this ecosystem is give you a nod some
sentiment some signal to the broader crypto ecosystem that you're worth
paying attention to and right now in this space when every game is struggling to
get eyeballs winning something like that is a massive influx of eyeballs I
cannot believe it hasn't been mentioned as like the bigger piece of the
puzzle here well said Omar behind the games account man tagging you in on this
one yeah I just wanted to drop in and say I'm glad you guys get it honestly
because I heard different takes and I think you're all right in your own ways
you know from from fresco's perspective on getting some of these products or
services for free or you know being able to kind of connect and in this case
there are some partners that we haven't managed to announce yet or you know we're
still in the process of finalizing how we're going to word it but like
there's you know grants in it for games there's products and services in it for
games there's credits in it for games so he's definitely right but also like to
Matt's point 100% this is top of the funnel doesn't necessarily mean that the
game is you know going to get millions of players but it means that it's at
least going to get some you know free attention right because in the end of the
day like when you look at the process of it like you don't really have to do
much to get nominated and you don't really have to do much to win it's
basically what you've done the past 12 months that gets you there like if
you've managed to build a community if you've managed to build a fun product
that people you know like and enjoy and want to see more of you've done the
work like it's already done so it's not like you know you gotta sprint to the
end and and you know try to make sure that you win this thing so yeah I'm
just uh I'm dropping in to say I'm glad everyone gets it because last year it
was a lot more like moaning and groaning and oh my god it's too early you
can't be doing this blah blah blah but like this year it's like okay we're
starting to get it it's it's more about having that sense of top of the
funnel awareness it's more about being able to give back to some of these
games that might be struggling to raise or might be struggling to you know pay
off certain bills for their products and services like that's exactly what
it's about thanks Omar appreciate that context all right guys I got a bunch of
whitelists burning a hole in my pocket once again we got edge of chaos we've got
mixed mob we've got overworld I'm gonna make sure that you guys get your hands on
these what I want you to do is vote in the games awards because I love being able to
support these guys for what they're doing so if you take a screenshot even if
you've already voted take a screenshot of the thing that says that you voted
and put it down in the comments and then we're also going to do a quick fire
round we got to move fast on this but I want to do content creator of the year as
well I think it's a really interesting category some of the top picks I see
yellow panther hustlepedia Addis I may or may not have gotten a couple votes
myself I'm not trying to fish for votes but I want to support the content
creators out here because without them I would not have known of half or
probably even two-thirds of the games that I know about and games GG obviously
with their discovery platform is a huge piece of that as well so I want to see
you guys vote you don't even have to vote for a content creator just screenshot
you voting put it in the comments and if you tag a couple of friends as well and
tell them to go vote as well that'll give you some bonus points maybe me and
Lemzol will lean on those even a little bit more so we're gonna go around the
horn 30 seconds each for content creator of the year but we got to move quick I'm
gonna give out the rarest edge of chaos uh nft that I have they gave us rares
uncommons and commons I'm gonna give out the rare one we're gonna give a mixed
mob nft that's 250 bucks and we're also gonna give an overworld whitelist to
people that are doing that let's go also do some retweets we'll give one out to
retweeters as well we're going in Lemz I'm sending it over to you first man
who's your content creator of the year mine personally let me kick it off Icy Icy the
man is on the panel he supports the content creators in the mastermind every
single week he absolutely elevated spaces threads recently which was unreal Icy
thumbs downs himself in true humble icy fashion actually Fresco got the hand up
so Fresco I'll send it to you man yeah I see is cool Sam you're cool um yellow
panther the yellow panther's cool uh Bryson's here he's cool um yeah if you're
here in Miami I don't know I'll vote for one of you guys wow amazing the enthusiasm uh was just
absolutely infectious gusto and aplomb you literally like took it out from under
me I was literally about to say Icy and then you just like took it out and we're
like no I'm just gonna vote first before you before you answer I mean I can't vote
for you can't yeah can't vote for you Sam you're you're the host here like I'm not
gonna you know just give you too many flowers you already get some flowers so
yeah shout out Icy he's always just being a Chad in the space he's always trying to
help people out like one of the nicest guys in the space he's great at hosting like
we had him do battle in the beyond when we like hosted over in uh Heath Lizard as well
absolutely crushed it shout out Icy and hope you win
Icy has the hand up I'm sure to tell us all that uh you know he's he's bad at content
creation because he can't take a compliment Icy over to you
you guys are gonna make me cry it's insane um I also have inside alpha that Fresco is
gonna be returning to streaming in 2024 so he's coming for that title um I heard dub say it
through the night like it's just an honor it's a win to even be nominated and
recognized so thank you guys so much for like all the kind words but come on now
it was it's Sam Stefanina it's always been Sam Stefanina the gamified has been the
soundtrack to 2023 all the work that you've put in brother has been incredible like if
that wasn't enough your videos took things to the next level you elevate all of
us um it's such an honor to like be friends with you and to be able to learn from you and
thank you for everything that you do for the space but like everybody that's doing
everything for the space shrapnel elevating with the gameplay games elevating with the
coverage the news the reviews the award show um all of the creators elevating like it's such
a beautiful space and I'm so excited to be a part of it uh we've come so far in these
past 12 months and 18 months uh like the fact that we're talking about is dream car a dream
car uh dream hack and you know tsm and team liquid are these big deals like 12 18 months
ago that would have been insane so we've come so far and uh I'm so bullish on the space and
Sam you are content creator of the year man um so I can't wait for you to have that forward
big smooches thanks brother side go behind the shrapnel account over to you man oh man um I feel
like any any pick I make right now is gonna look like a like a homer pick or incredibly biased uh I
guess since we sponsor gamified I won't pick Sam uh because we put our money where our mouth is there
um but I have to shout out Icy even though he's getting all the flies uh he's telling me to shut up
right now but um I think uh I I feel this way because he came into our studio you guys saw him
in our studio the other week and and like the man's charisma is just fucking off the charts like
he came in and he just commanded the room just made sure everybody there was having a good time
um and really like uh I think had this kind of natural energy to be able to like draw out like uh
so like everybody else's energy um and so it was just really cool to see that in person um and then
afterwards just to see the support he's been throwing at other people and other content
creators and you know all that stuff it's just like you know positive force but obviously you
know YP everybody else like we love all of the content creators have been incredibly supportive of
what we're doing with shrapnel and you know we wouldn't be here with without them and the
the outreach they they and support they give to us so um yeah big shout out to all those guys I
want to keep seeing you guys vote we've got like 50 votes already in the comments I want to see
a hundred I'm so excited about this and I can't wait to see in a week what the results are knock
over to you man yeah so I'm not gonna say I see but for one very specific reason I think I see takes
in 2024 I think the trajectory that he's on is incredible he is really starting to build the
foundation of some really solid content creation beyond just you know threads and the newsletter that
he does and the shows that he does he's taking things to another level I think it's his game next
year the two that I want to vote for here I'll give Apex the first because I think he's really
pushing the envelope on written content he is somebody who puts together really really high
quality threads he and my favorite thing that he does is like the little infographic breakdowns and
some of the more obscure concepts in the space he really makes understanding gaming ecosystems really
easy my obvious winner of the year and I said it two times already this week and I'll continue to say
it it's Sam and it's not Sam because we're here sitting on gamified it's actually because of a
couple other things that he does he takes time out of his day to ensure that other creators in the
space have some of the knowledge that he has over the course of his career in content creation
he's trying to elevate the entire ecosystem as a whole and I would say that with some pretty heavy
bias we started to see some real uptick in the quality of content in the space once gamified really
started to take off and I think that that's a testament to who he is as a creator who is as a
person he wants to see everybody in the space creating better content because that's better for
everybody in the space and I don't think he sees people as competitors I see I think he sees them
as like we said colleagues right people who if we all do well the space will do well so I'm going to
give my honorable mention to Apex I think it's Sam this year but keep an eye on Icy for 24.
Yeah big shout out Icy's coming for all of us in 24 for sure and a shout out to Apex as well I
appreciate you uh you saying that about um not seeing others as competition whenever we did what
we did on YouTube man there was uh so many people that saw all the other dance people which was our
niche as competition and one of the reasons that we stood out from that was because we collaborated
with everybody and that catapulted our growth and that was a huge lesson for me that I try to take
uh everywhere that I go from now on Sinjin sending it over to you
yeah I think there are a lot of great content creators have been very consistent this year
um I think Yellow Panther has been really out there obviously Icy as well and I love the new formats but
you know obviously for me I'm extremely extremely so fucking biased it's got to be Sam and and the
reason for that is because you know when we talk about awards um there could be either you know
popularity or there could be you know a sense of achievement or or progress and and I think for Sam
and the content that he's put out with Gamified and with all the other shows Rumble and and now you
know Web3 Simplified and stuff like that you know he's not just elevating the way content has been
presented but the type of content right and he stayed true to that and you know with that level
of quality and that standard you know the rest of the space has moved towards that and it's interesting
to see that because now you know if I would say like a year and a half ago uh you know all the content
was basically the same type of content and every single space you went on to every single founder
would come on and shill their shit and turn every question into a shill and you know really with Gamified
that really changed that as well as you know there's a reason why every founder comes out here
every week I mean Paul Bender loves coming out here Katie I mean these are not small people uh these
are not people who you know even uh you know Jeremy Horn is coming on in the middle of launching his
probably the biggest white list uh you know whatever mint uh you know in the history of Web3 Gaming
and myself I you know come here whether I'm in like whatever fucking Japan or Korea or New York or LA
or you know Paris or whatever like that I make it out to here because I think it's worth it because
of what Sam is pushing forward so Sam totally buys but you are the motherfucker and you are the creator
of the year man hey man I just want to take all that love and reflect it right back to you Sinjin I
actually paid uh my assistant to go back and listen to every single episode of Gamified so that I could
get a tracker I was going to do something special I still will but I'm going to spoil it a little bit
I wanted them to track exactly how many times everybody had spoken on Gamified to find out
what the total was because I thought it would be really fun Sinjin this is your 40th time on Gamified
today out of 44 episodes you were in Taiwan you were in Japan you were all over the world doing it at
three in the morning bringing that energy that titan of taboo spirit that we all love so much man and I
just I don't think that this show would be the same without you and I love you and appreciate you so much
for doing that and then you go and give Jerry a job I mean like as if you know I did as if you
weren't doing enough charity work for me you decided to do something I don't know I think it's quite
questionable uh career choice for uh Jerry but I'm really happy to have him of course I love the golden
God I think it's a thanks daddy Mirko I saw the hand up man I'll give you the last 30 seconds before
we move on from this topic yeah thank you um yeah I work with so many creators and it's uh it's hard
for me to to choose one and um I think it was a hell it's a hell of a job to be like in the middle of
being hated for nfts and chilling nfts and and in crypto and then uh being on the other side trying
really to to stay motivated and I think 2024 uh was good to be like building connections with games
with the communities to being really like a a rock and the pillar of the space for every content creator
and I think everybody will take the fruits in 2024 but um and even as much as I love
yellow panther and uh a lot of more and from you know people are working on on but um yeah
icy is my my man and um not because he paid me to say that but yes he is let's go dude I'll take
all the icy love I appreciate you guys should see how big he's smiling right now it's so cute
it is adorable can confirm uh all right guys it's time to detonate a round of applause for our
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gamified I'm going to give another edge of chaos nft away to somebody who follows the uh the avalanche
on gaming account uh avalanche on gaming I'm gonna let you guys pick you find somebody that follows
you in the next uh five minutes and you dm it to me and we'll we'll give them an nft that's worth 0.1
each which I'm really excited about and of course I gotta give a huge shout out to knock for doing the
gamified newsletter I believe we're on week number five we had some technical difficulties that ended up
being absolutely hilarious which have been sorted out since then so if you haven't been receiving it uh
the behind the scenes has been tidied up our apologies it'll be taken care of but we're trying
to get to a thousand subscribers by the end of the year I believe we're sitting at about 700 which is
amazing for five weeks I'm so thrilled with that so if you can help us get up to a thousand I you'll
have my eternal gratitude and Mirko I want to tag you in uh because I know that you have a lot going
on with the owned gamer league and then I see a couple hands go up so I'll send it over to you
guys in just a second Mirko take it away for 30 seconds on the owned gamer league
yeah I think uh we we made a uh uh we became a human uh connector for like freaking web 3 with
like you know like if you I I've been in doing a lot of uh uh web 3 uh sorry esport hosting back in
the days but you know like in web 3 with all the barriers with all the um uh you know difficulties
wallets chains and all that stuff and then not only one game 15 games 80 game partners integrations
creators all that stuff so yeah pretty well done big shout out to the team um you know 50 million
impressions there's a lot of things like 1500 people on average playing on some games was really
really right and um super happy and uh it was of course team effort and um it's a yeah similar
approach like also what what gamer uh do with the with the award you know it's like really getting
the the games out there giving them visibility getting you know making it user friendly for web 2
you know like it's it's fucking free you know if you hate nfts then hate free nfts you know what
what can we do you know um and it's important to to show that off and I don't want to chill too much
here but I'm very proud of the team and the achievement we made um but yeah we have more to come
2024 especially in the beginning and also a lot with avex uh as a big supporter so yeah thank you
for everyone to be believe and still building and grinding every day fuck the bear
fuck the bear the the crowd erupted on that one uh yeah big shout out I think you guys are given a
million dollars worth of prizes and it's still going on for a few more days so uh if you if you haven't
heard of it yet try and go snag your share of those prizes knock I'll send it over to you and
then lens is going to give away a few more of those nfts I keep talking about yeah I'll say it I'll uh
I'll um poke some fun at myself here just for those of you who are wondering what Sam was alluding to
with the newsletter my dumb ass made it a test group because I wanted to test a new format for the
newsletter and I sent the last two weeks worth of newsletters to only that test group um so we have
some catching up to do the contents going out I honestly it's so stupid I can't even be embarrassed
so I'm just going to tell you all here he's human he he is not actually agi which we've all just been
assuming for the last few weeks lens over to you man who's getting those nfts for voting for retweeting
for doing all the good stuff all right I got a couple to give out here we got a lot of people voting in
the comments so we got freeze we got an overworld whitelist views he's posting a screenshot of his votes in the
game gg awards and we also got uh got it's bolt and money plane we got some edge of chaos for you
guys and then we also got jabbar on there we got a mix mob for you so yeah shout out to everyone voting
on the games gg awards awesome big shout out to mix mob again they're dropping their white paper
right around the corner and then edge of chaos is uh they have a mini game out now and then a really
epic game coming in the near future excited for that we move on uh lean in or lean out of web 3
culture in particular is our next topic rainy lords of light no baby games are two games that lean
heavily into web 3 culture the born list is a really good example of an organization that is minted nfts
but it's significantly more focused on the web 2 gamer side of things i wanted to give a quick throwback
to the windy's famous uh gm degenerate tweet where like it was them burger king and pepsi or something
all saying gm friends to each other and that ended up being an absolute top signal uh so for the
foreseeable future should these games be leaning into adding more web 3 culture or leaning out of web
3 culture in their game lens i'll send it over to you first while i think the gm stuff and all that
it's fun for us i feel like you don't want to like drown your game out in so much web 3 references
that just alienates like normies so you want to have you know a couple references here and there
um i i'm totally biased because i love all baby games i love the balance that they have struck where
you kind of if you know you know you get it but it's not like too much in your face um i think it's
fun having some of those references especially as we you know we hit in this bull market again i think
we'll have more of these cultural references maybe mcdonald's will do something about you know go get a
job when the when the bear market hits again and we'll see some more of that um so yeah i say
subtle references but yeah don't go totally web 3d gen on your on your game all right mirko over to
you yeah i i feel the same like it's like it's good i mean social media you can be wild it's not like
back in the days there was like more conservative but like that's okay you know but um if you as a
project and if you want to attract like the right audience it's really like we have a lot of let's say
we don't want to if you're a project owner you don't want to be too degen uh you want you know
you need to keep track on your target audience uh 100 and then but yeah of course it's fun you know
it's like you know i saw so uh i remember when goblin town was a hype and then people speaking in this
goblin language i mean it's fun you know it's entertaining um but yes i think long term it will
not help your project to be too crazy like that um so yeah everybody need to find their own language
um and if you have a good uh you know target audience i think you you will be pretty clear
you know like which one you want to attract and then just go with trends you know this is trends
coming up there will be trends where you know like everybody wearing these red boots again you know
that came out for nowhere plastic boots you know what is that i don't know i never understand it now
but yeah so so go with trends to just to pick it up on a funny way or like you know entertaining way
it's good yeah that's my take knock over you my man yeah i mean i think that there's like a tasteful
way to do this sort of thing i think gta trailer is a perfect example of this they really deeply
understand florida man culture um if you haven't just as a quick side note haven't played the florida man
type florida man the date of your birth and read the crazy headline story from some crazy person in
florida what they did um it is absolutely hilarious but that is a good way to like integrate memes and
culture into games you shouldn't force things throwing in like gms and ngmis and all this other
shit into a game just feels unnatural understand the niche understand the types of people that play
the types of games that you're creating and understand where they hang out in web3 culture
and cater to them in a small way but don't make it like the pure identity of your game i think
we've all seen how that plays out in web3 well said tony from shrapnel just entered the room
absolutely chaos is erupting uh saint over to you man yeah i mean i think i kind of have more of a
hard opinion on this i don't think you cross the chasm you either go full web3 dgen or you pretty
much leave it completely out i think anything in between is is probably the wrong approach mainly
mainly because web3 culture is incredibly toxic one of the worst cultures ever i don't even know
why anyone actually even likes anything about web3 it is straight up more negative sentiment than
anything you possibly could bring in and i think that becomes a problem as well because those aren't
the users nor do you want to set those expectations as well and i think exactly as you know a lot of people
are noting you start just dabbling your toes into it it just looks like you know that you're like
steve buscemi in that you know that gif meme gif of like you know how are you doing fellow kids that's
what it really feels like every time you do any of this stuff too so in this way like you kind of have
to build it separately and i think this is the largest challenge right because people are trying
to onboard web2 gamers into web3 to be honest you have to trojan horse that shit right you really have
to trojan horse it and the only thing you show them on the web3 side when you're ready to introduce
them is like hey you accidentally got a wallet and this wallet has money in it do you want to claim
it that's it that should be it and then the financialized inside upside will make them want
to be dgen right it will have to allow them to adopt it they have to accept it if they want to cross
this chasm if you try to lure them over you're gonna fail singin over to you you know this is
interesting because uh you know i've been a lifelong gamer and you know being in the poker industry
those two you know um areas of my life have an entire different kind of culture i mean when i
speak to my wife i use like gg or ship it or i'm all in or you know what you know i'm on tilt or that
guy's a fish or what a fucking atm and my wife she totally understands everything i'm saying because
you know i'm a gamer and i've been in the poker industry but you know i have to say that i agree with
the knock insane state but also that you know like the current web 3 uh culture is pretty cringe and
like you know i learned this in the last few years insult like whatever like you know you guys sound
like not you guys a lot of guys sound like a bunch of losers right and i don't think it's like really
elevated yet to the point where you know where web 3 is not about like this kind of dgen you know
paper hands or diamond hands or you know like i aped into this or whatever like that and i think it
works with that huge speculative market and and so on and so forth but i think for web 3 gaming we
have yet to really define you know what our culture is yet i think we're getting there and i think at
that point you know it comes in naturally through you know how we interact with the games and you know
what kind of you know cool things that come out of that that you know you know come out to being you
know good luck have fun manners you know whatever so and so forth um and so i'm waiting for that
moment for that real culture and then i think that naturally gets integrated by the community and
and the games later on well said sinjin saigo from shrapnel over to you yeah i kind of like what um
said there with uh you know we don't really have a web 3 culture yet we kind of have the the data
points of what what we've done so far and um you know what it's looked like which is you know frankly
not very much right there's like you know we have one bull run and one bear uh and the combination of
those two things breeds pretty uh pretty undesirable uh culture if i if i'm being honest and so a lot
of games i think you know there's there's like different ways to approach web 3 right there's
like hey it's a bull let me try and extract as much value out of that bull run as possible and fill
the coffers and you know and build up runway for a game um there's also you know uh other ways to to
go about it like if i look at um you know what jeremy's done with overworld he hasn't actually
released assets yet everyone's really excited everybody just wants what he has um but he
hasn't put any i guess expectations out there just yet um and so the the life that he's gonna live
once they do their mint and once he's got a bunch of bag holders for lack of a better word like that's
when you get this kind of shift in the perspective or like the mindset of your community members and so
i think when it's leaning in it's not really like should you lean into web 3 culture or should you not but
it's like how do you lean into it and the dissentions point like what what do we think that
will be because i think at the at this moment in time a lot of us are are you know responsible for
helping shape and sculpt what that future looks like uh and the actions we take now the ways we
build it you know there's going to be different approaches from you know triple a games down to
more indie games and the ways that they're you know able to go go and approach that so um i think
when you're early on especially you know if games if games want to be kind of in this in this um you
know uh want to participate in this culture it's just about you know it's not probably a yes or no
or or if you should or shouldn't it's about i think it should be you know we should probably talk more
about how you can do that and how you can do that more meaningfully and less kind of uh uh with
less emphasis on extortion um if i'm being honest yeah i would say shrapnel does a fantastic job of
towing the line of engaging in the culture without making it their entire identity which i really
appreciate guay i'm tagging you in for the last word on this before we move on for sure um i just
want to say from like a builder's perspective i think is i think about it you know from a perspective
of culture but also just like the psychology the degen psychology if you will uh money make people
money makes people do fucking crazy things and when you got thousands of people together all
responding to that incentive it's it's manic and we all know what that feels like if you're building
this space if you're participating in this space and what i think just a word of like caution and
experience for builders is that you have to have a very very firm footing in what your beliefs and
values are because that like this this environment can make the even even the strongest will kind of
bend to its forces and you just get kind of wrapped up in the hoopla and you completely missed what it
was that you were trying to build in the first place so you have to be firm you have to lay down
the law and if people are getting um you know trying to steer you in the direction you got to bring it
back to first principles and you got to be very very strong with your views um because at the end of
the day you know best what you're trying to build uh and yeah just don't get wrapped up in that
and that crazy stuff along the way you're you're seeing that even right now within like one month
of a brief like bull market you know everything i was i think saint and i were talking in dms i was
like the degeneracy in this space is is is mind-boggling because like 18 months of bear market wiped away
in a matter of two weeks i gotta give a huge shout out to you gway your first time on the gamified panel
and i just am so in love with all the founders that come on this show and are willing to be
so honest and forthright with with the way that they feel about things so you're fitting right in
and absolutely love that take saint i'm sending it over to you my man for the last word on this
and also it's your story time for the very first time saints can be giving us a story time so you
can take it away on that after you're done with your initial talking point oh okay yeah sounds good
yeah i mean really just yeah it's been really fun chatting with gway about this and you know a few
other founders and and that's exactly it he he notes it really well like that's how shitty our
culture is like our culture will massively have the biggest down run for the longest period of time
and then we just turn on a dime because there's a speculative you know opportunity right there is
no utility conversation of what we're talking about here there is no real product market fit of what
we're talking about here unless you consider speculator product market fit that's this new strategy
this new segment that has never existed before right where we as all individual customers are
essentially hedge fund managers of our own little wallet portfolios and when the market's up we're all
flush right and when it's down it's the worst experience possible you why would you ever want to
bring web2 users on that shitty roller coaster like this is the thing that i don't understand why
everyone's so excited to bring web2 i'm like are you kidding me you want to tell these people that
they're going to see a 90 drop in their asset value after 90 days but at least they get some
asset value i'm like honestly it's better to not give them any asset value and not make it tradable
than watch their actual portfolio plummet 90 percent and this is what a lot of people don't really
understand is that any financialization although yes on paper is technically good but from an actual
psychological perspective it's actually significantly worse how many times did we have to sit at our
awkward christmas dinner or holiday dinner or thanksgiving dinner where we told our parents to
come into the top on ethan btc don't mind me saying right but like why the fuck are we going to do this
all the web2 gamers that's all this is going to be because here's the other myth about this whole thing
if we're speculators we want retail to come in to dump on them that's our culture our culture is to
dump on retail what fucking culture is that like we need to fucking grow up if we actually want to
become an industry and this isn't an industry it's an extractive dog eat dog shit we're gonna
take advantage of everyone else we don't got culture we got the saddest opportunity on that front
but hey we get to make babs on that front which is great we sure do uh wow that was that was a
freaking heater we were we were dying over here man appreciate the candidness okay so saint's gonna
do story time uh he's got some amazing histrionics uh from whenever he was the uh number one game
on the mobile gaming market uh with csr racing in addition to some of the other things that he's
accomplished across his career as i hear three of myself because fresco doesn't know how to
use his headphones lambs uh i see the hand up you want to do a giveaway and then saint will take
it away with story time yeah we got a winner from the who's following the avax gaming account we got
silent mode dm and got you on our list for an edge of chaos nft so i'll be shooting you a dm to get
your wallet for that let's go in the wild saint is doing the uh story time if anybody wants to drop a
great question for him based on the story time or a great comment about his story time i'm going to
give one of those people an overworld whitelist we got two left and that's going to get one of
them saint over to you man take us away for three to five minutes yeah absolutely um you know i think
maybe i'll even change my topic dynamically based on what i thought was going to happen to really talk
about the parallels of mobile gaming when it first break out to what we see is the parallels to kind of
crypto gaming here so you know i was very lucky enough to be part of that initial mobile wave this
was in the early 2000 you know 10 to 2014 era specifically a lot of this happened around 2012
when the iphone 3gs device came out you saw a massive shift in quality of games but even prior
to that right there were tons of mobile developers right these are guys like zynga and if you remember
back in the day it was like tiny co pocket gem storm 8 and of course there were a lot of paid apps
like rovio as well but the reason why the market was so exciting was because there was arbitrage on
growth right that's what we really understood at that time you were able to leverage primarily
facebook being one of the best sources there you were able to get and acquire users for literally
pennants right and all you had to do was scale their ltv just a little bit and you were already
profitable on these users so what it really came down to in that early day of mobile was
who could fund the most amount of user acquisition for the largest amount of growth who could
essentially exploit that arbitrage opportunity before you know cpi or cpms right or cost per
installs or cost per impression would increase quite a bit and it was a fascinating time you know we
were able to have a huge opportunity you know we launched 12 number one games during that period and
that culminated with one of the largest games in csr racing and as i saw that you know i really
believed that that was probably going to be the only arbitrage opportunity in my in my lifetime i
wouldn't see anything like this ever again but the truth is it's come again it's come again even
bigger in crypto and it's totally shifted the game and not a lot of people are talking enough about this
because really a lot of growth teams in web3 suck i'm going to be very honest everyone who's in a
growth role is garbage in web3 and the reason why they're garbage is that they're using web2 tactics
from the previous era to apply to the current era here when in reality the game has been totally
shifted for the first time you could actually cut out the middleman right and you could actually
generate your own growth your own virality and have economic incentive engines to go back to the
core user and right now we're in the very early innings all we've actually figured out thus far
is give a free asset or a low cost asset that increases in value or the other gen wealth play is do the
same thing and drop a token that's literally the depth of actual innovation we've come to in web3 thus far
and what i'm telling you is that this next year is absolutely going to be all about those who figure out
growth loops that are sustainable currently we're in a phase of unsustainable growth which is
essentially trying to do speculation at all costs but when someone actually figures out a core loop
where you can build your game design and actually build your product this is where you're going to
actually see web3 gaming breakthrough and growth matters the most because again everyone overlooks this
web2 growth is so broken literally so broken if you want to try to acquire cpis on
mobile or even pc all these guys are fucked like no one's willing to talk about this so directly
but the real reason here to understand is that no one actually has the ability to extend ltvs long
enough but crypto is different crypto is bringing in a lifetime value of users that is 20x 100x anything
that we've ever seen in mobile more importantly it's only a concentration of whale if you want to
understand two important things to recognize in this market when i was in mobile the average ltv of
the user in 2012 was usually around a dollar that was the average lifetime value of a user back in 2012
right 2015 we started to see mid-core games that number has gone to around five dollars is the average
ltv right then even if you go a little bit further to 2018 right the average ltv and free-to-play
probably gets closer to like eight to twelve dollars to a certain extent depending on your
measurements you know what's hilarious there's currently 90 percent of users who've been active
in web3 who spent more than that than that in just gas right just gas on their last fucking
transaction don't remind me that's but that should be what you're reminded of though all the time if
we're willing to pay that on gas what then becomes the ltv opportunity behind that so in this story time
the real thing that i really want people to do is think through how do you capture that growth
how do you funnel retention and how do you build vip relationships right one of my favorite things
that i got to see when gabe was scaling up machine zone at you know at uh we have game of war and a few of
the other games one of the smartest things he did was build a vip network right one of my favorite things
when i was watching poker entities line up what were they doing they were creating vip networks it's all about
casino-like play if you're not creating a vip layer right now to manage your users you don't understand this game
you're treating your web to your web3 users like shitty web2 users when in reality they are godlike
in value figure out a way to resustain and re-deliver value to those users and you might actually be on to
something incredibly special in this space so ltvs are changed monetization has changed ua has changed
and then here's the amazing lever not only do you get these ltvs that are incredibly high but you could do
this for zero growth right tribe as a network has 42 000 wallets we haven't paid a single dollar for
those users in regard to their combined spend in nfts we're talking about over 50 million dollars
again we got that much buying power with zero spend the concentration and average ltv is amazing
but the pure net ltv is amazing and if you want a simple reminder of this go look at yuga's books
go look at early yuga and what they did on regard to their net profit in year one it is some of the
dumbest metrics you'll ever see in a good way right these are guys who are doing 92 percent net margin
are you kidding me this is one of the most outstanding numbers i've ever seen in a consumer-based
product experience and that's what web3 unlocks there's a different game being played here don't
get stuck in the trap that it's web2 games with web3 feature not interesting understand that you're
in a web3 sandbox and there's a unique way to deliver back to those users and attract the ones
that are willing to be there once you understand that story once you understand that opportunity
you might actually be able to build something that's more than a short-term speculation pop
great reminders there saint thank you so much i see a great comment from papa digi who's going to win
an overworld whitelist uh we have we've got one more left after this and we have one more edge of
chaos and one more mix mob their question is saint would you say uh sorry who would you say is doing
the best currently in web3 and what innovative concepts do you think hasn't been done yet that
might lead to a more sustainable outcome yeah that's a good question i mean to be very honest
it's hard to see if anyone's doing this that well because we haven't really got into ltv a product
market fit in gaming right what is the actual best products right now doing this it's actually a total
different category it's either casino right which is clearly very understanding of their playbook and
their ltv so think about rollbit but the other interesting thing that's actually really compelling
in regard to loyalty and ltv is art right the sustainability and value into a lot of art based
projects is really unique in regard to actual user acquisition growth and web3 gaming the only person
you want to believe in could figure this out later and i know he started off really poorly with the super
bowl ad but gabe gets this gabe is the only person i would bet who could figure out a growth hack but
don't get me wrong i don't think gabe has all the right answers because he's still focusing more
through a web 2 narrative because he's been pushed back so much from web 3 on the pure web 3 native
side the stuff that i'm actually more looking for are honestly it sucks to say you know who's best at
this it's the ponzi players right if we look at the actual era of the what this is doing it's factory
based assets or it's rolling over your ponzi of user bases so who's the best it's blur blur is the
hundred percent the best they've figured out a way to not only deliver a token but once the token
was about to essentially lose its expected value the amazing amazing thing was is they introduced
next speculative play this is actually the product design thesis everyone should understand
share speculative opportunity deliver speculative opportunity immediately upon delivering speculative
opportunity announce next speculative option that is literally the room up for every web 3 entity in
this space if you don't know how to do that you don't know how to capture attention right and
everyone messes up on this everyone it's way harder they than than what i'm noting in just the simple words
but this is what you need to continually to roll over what are you doing you're feeding hopium to a class
of users who continually want to get those rewards over time and if you know how to deliver that
there's something really great to be very honest if you see what tribe is doing we have actually one of the
strongest long-term retention in the game without actually putting out a speculative asset yet and
that's also the other interesting thing that we're trying to do because the what's the actual biggest
problem in web 3 real quick it's the problem is that all the financialized returns and rewards are
given up front in the product experience right why are we all super excited by overworld and i think
jeremy's doing a fucking fantastic job with it we're not talking about overworld in regard to oh my god in
six months this game's going to be amazing right or whatever that timeline may be what are we really
excited about is oh on day one this shit's going to be worth a shit ton of money right and that's why
we got piranhas here with all of these comments as well so this is the other problem is that if we're
training users to get most of the value on day one why are they going to be here on day 90 we've
actually built the entire product experience for these users to organically roll them off this project
because the incentivizations and the financial returns are no longer there and this is the same
with tokens this is the same with a lot of things right and this is the other challenge is that we
actually have the wrong design premise in the race for getting mass attention we're giving too much
returns to short-term users you need to fundamentally fix that to reward loyalty to long-term users and
historically web 3s never work like that great stuff saying thanks so much and thanks for the
great question papadigi hope you enjoy that overworld whitelist we're moving on to our very last topic of
the day buy or sell and we're talking about marketing a bit more this airdrop marketing meta
is an airdrop the best way for these people to be spending their marketing budgets especially if
you're a web 3 game but obviously we just talked about blur a little bit is there a downside risk
that these projects are not acknowledging some of the current examples right now are ztx
grapes overworld blur big time etc is there a world in which tokens actually work for long-term user
acquisition or is this just an absolute you know slow drip or fast drip to zero so again buying or
selling the airdrop meta as an actual good long-term solution singin i see the hand up over to you
you know this is actually a great uh question that kind of uh saying kind of alluded to in in the last
part of what he was saying about you know that a lot of the incentives are really up front and and
really short term and so let's say that you have introduced the token for the sake of you know kind of
in the current meta of you know where web 3 is and you don't really have the mechanisms in place
and that token is being generated from your game well you're basically fucking your game because
in the in an open economy situation right when you have an oversupply issue right you can't roll it
back you can't do sinks and so on and so forth because what a lot of game designers fail to realize is
that a sink cannot be optional it needs to be part of the gameplay and so if you haven't baked it into
the gameplay right you come with like this oversupply issue that unless you're coming in with the next
speculative play so on and so forth you know you're just kind of kicking the can down the road and even
like like a lot of times where people talk to me and they say you know since you have you thought
about staking and i'm like staking does nothing except for kick the can down the road right so you're
trying to extend this kind of short-term runway now there is one way to like reset the system and
that is buying these tokens back or buying the supply back right but you know that is not something that
a lot of people will be in a position to do anyways but then again you know being in web 3 i'll say this
right um i mean if you have designed the game for something sustainable and it's something reasonable
for the airdrop i mean we're doing an airdrop through gameplay uh for our beta then i think obviously
it can work right but i think you know having a solid design there is necessary but then again
if you don't get the eyeballs and you don't get the attention economy i mean are you really playing
the game really here in web 3 knock i send it over to you yeah i don't want to get too in the weeds
here but i i do think something that a lot of people don't really discuss when you're talking tokens
is that there are a lot of legal obligations that are not very clear especially in western nations and
one of the ways that teams look to kind of protect themselves from that is to reward on-chain activity
and that includes doing things like staking or owning an nft or performing an action because then
you can say this is a user that has participated with our smart contracts and we're rewarding them for
those things so a lot of the more sophisticated teams are looking at it from that angle um and i
think for that reason alone you probably want to buy into it because if that's going to be worth
anything long term then those teams should probably be protecting themselves um i think the idea of just
arbitrarily giving people things or you know even when you're talking about through gameplay alone if
that's not being recorded on chain you might run into some issues so i think it's a piece of the
puzzle that we don't talk enough about um it's still very nuanced nobody really has the answer
but that is part of the reason why some people do airdrops all right saint back over to you my man
yeah i mean this also runs into one of the other major problems that web 3 can actually correct that
was really hard in web 2 is that when you thought about user acquisition the biggest challenge was is
can you get a quality user and you know i primarily worked in free-to-play projects so what am i looking
for is a monetizer right someone who's going to pay and i'm trying to get as many of those users
within like a 3 000 user cohort i'm hoping to get 20 to 50 buyers depending if i'm a casual mid-core
core game right it depends on the ltv because those users are effectively going to make up the ltv of the
rest right and that's where then you wanted to be able to target and that's why facebook was able to
have such a huge reach because their targeting parameters tend to lead to greater alignment and of
course being able to find those monetizers and spenders in web 3 this is the other larger challenge
right now we're actually not utilizing great curation or targeting methodologies right so
effectively almost all of our distribution in web 3 is incredibly broken as well and also there's a
huge conversation about alts and bots but this compounds why if you're going to be doing an airdrop
anytime soon early on you have to assume you're going to take on a very large dilutive event
but also at the same time right what you're going to realize is most of that stuff is not going to go
to users who are actually utilizing or playing in your ecosystem again it means that you have to flip
the innovation the only reason you're doing an airdrop now to correlate to nft values to pump prices
right and i'm not saying that's a bad thing right it's just understanding the game that you're trying
to play right and the game is right now is tg is the closest thing to gen wealth as we talked about
how shitty is our culture our culture talks about generational wealth to be achieved in less than
one day what kind of fucking logic is that right there's a reason they call it generational wealth
but this is exactly what plays into the meta because we are degenerate right and that's not a healthy
culture on this front so when you do think about airdrops right you have to realize like you're trying
to play a very different game right there are many people who are using airdrops to race to their next
venture round right there's a lot of people are utilizing right and remember you want to understand this
there's a lot of founders who are utilizing tokens to be able to get capital in without needing to give
out equity right because it's a pure token sale and there's a lot of founders who are just trying to
exploit it and and you have to recognize all these skills all these issues as well but knock brings it up
as well like you should realize doing an airdrop is the worst way to be on any type of legal jurisdiction
of the sec it doesn't even matter if you're operating outside of the u.s the u.s will find you like
if you want to understand how crazy the u.s is just go look at how the u.s actually went into fifa
and broke up the entire fifa problem like they had no sovereignty in regard to going into switzerland
for that they straight up once they lost the bid because they realized the corruption of previous
bids the u.s took action the u.s will take action anywhere right so you have to understand that u.s sec
laws i'm sorry u.s security laws are incredibly poorly managed so you're taking on that risk that's why
almost all the best builders i know are staying away from tokens because in the end it's going to
have a drop but again this is the counterplay this is the counterplay by guys like pacman as well
race race as fast as you can wait until someone says no and that's what's happened also when we
see web 3 and if we talk about our bad culture again there's a reason why cz can't even leave the
u.s there's a reason why our other faithful and sam is currently in cuffs right realistically all of
these people played the move fast break things approach and that's also the other problem web
3 and i think airdrops are nowhere near a structure to properly do in this market but in the end if you
could get a two and a half billion dollar fdv and a 250 million dollar trading market cap like meme land
with no reason to have product market fit why do anything else i don't blame why other people are
chasing it the returns are clearly there all right tagging away
yeah i mean i love the depth in which we're having this conversation because i just i just don't think
people understand what's going on here in terms of thinking about econ design so a couple of things
i just want to add um i think as saint mentioned i think one of the things that betray web 3 games
is that they over um they over index to customer acquisition way too early um and it's it's not
it's not just like dropping a token before there's a product even if you did have a product um i don't
think your first step ought to be try to acquire as many users as possible i think you have to reframe
that problem and in our minds is to optimize for wallet share to i think i think alluding to saint's kind
of vip concept and it's almost like you have to ask yourself the question can you make your token
economy work with like a thousand users and if you solve that problem you have a perpetual motion
machine you're done right because you can always ensure your own survival and you can just keep you
know iterating on different types of ideas to continue to expand your user base that ought to be the
problem that you're trying to solve and yet what people are doing right now is they're using airdrops
as a mechanic because they get this is to my prior point of they start to bend to the forces of this
c-gen cohort uh which is they understand that you have to play the attention game and it's a necessary
evil in this space but then they over index to that right they get caught up in the hoopla and that now
becomes the objective function inevitably it betrays their uh entire kind of thesis in the first place
and and it ends up in nowhere good so i think this is gonna like this is a great topic that
you know probably can go on for hours but i think fundamentally the calculus is off in terms of how
people are thinking about making stuff work here in web3 thanks quayne just to refresh the topic for
anybody just tuning in it's uh is airdropping a great way to spend your marketing budget to acquire
users because that seems to be the trend right now in the meta uh lens i'm going to tag you in next
yeah i think everyone's made a lot of good points already so i won't take too long here i think
overall it's not a binary thing of like airdrop good or airdrop bad it really comes down to like
where you're at in your project and how you can leverage it to be useful because it feels like uh i think
as guay mentioned like as soon as people start doing it everyone else jumps on the bandwagon and
it feels like everyone wants to launch a token now because there's been like a couple of successful
token launches and that shouldn't be the purpose of it it should be actually you know targeted and
with a purpose for the airdrop and actually you know try and get some users and then nico from
tribo games he often talks about user acquisition he's always like chatting in the comments he goes
could it be that we're also getting the narrative wrong about web3 fixing user acquisition
maybe the opportunity is more about having stronger retention of those few thousand
supercharged through social dynamics rather than trying to acquire many thousands with web2 type
retention through a revisited ua system some food for thought so it's yeah it's really interesting
thinking about ua from the perspective of we can maybe have higher spending users in web3 instead
of just trying to grab a lot of people and keep them in before they just churn and get get our
money's worth out of them yeah well said i want to give a quick shout out to the audacious
traveler in the comments he mentions that there's a fake overworld account with 400 000 followers
i'm sure there are literally hundreds at this point so i just want to remind everybody to be super safe
out there uh lems is going to be handling these giveaways so if you uh won something feel free to
slide in his dms but he should be reaching out uh please be patient with everything and just make
sure uh that you well you don't have to be absolutely positive that you won something but a lot of people
slide in the dms they're like hey i won something and i know for a fact that they didn't so just know
that we diligently check who who we actually are giving things away to and so you're just wasting
your time if you do that save my boy and his uh sweet sweet little lizard fingers a little bit of
dexterity and uh don't don't try to scam us out of these merc i'm saying send it in over to you mirko
yeah thank you um yeah on the topic of you know airdrops good or bad um airdrops in general i think it
works so that's why people doing it uh i don't think it's the best for a game again when you dilute
your you fuck your game i think sinjin said it like that you fuck your audience or you fuck your game
um and it's um i think it's not it's need to be like for like suit the purpose yeah i mean for blur it
was perfect because you know you get you trade and then you get a like a reward i think it was like
this marketplace looks rare was also kind of like a reward system integrated and then everything so
if it makes sense for your marketplace or d5 protocol or whatever i think it's very good
for a game i think what you want to do as a game uh airdrops might be nothing but you
you want to actually like reward maybe people like doing the actions what you want them to do in
your game if there's a reward system like that and let's say it's a more gamified airdrop or even
it's a virtual currency or whatever um that's i think a huge win and i i think personally i'm come
from mobile um i think you can really learn a lot about user behaviors because you know there is really
like a lot of trends say if you think from from pay to win from free to play freemium so there's a lot
of models uh being worked out on on uh mobile and i give you just a little example for example like
there's a lot of social betting platforms and what they do is actually you know they actually train
the future gambler yeah so it's basically free it's like nothing falls on the gambling laws these apps
are can be done easily and um people can bet and and basically learn the behavior get the endorphine
get the win but not the loss because it's not real money you know it's like i mean i'm not
everybody like that um you know but this is kind of and then at the end of the of the play you
actually like you sell the user you advertise gambling platform so it's like what i want to say
is like do the action advertise the actions on your game what you want to do reward the people
train them educate them yours reward them in that way and then you know you you you train or educate
your own user great stuff miracle i want to give out these last three nfts and whitelists that we
have we got one more from overworld one more from mix mob and one more from edge of chaos i'm going to
give them to three people tomorrow so feel free to comment or to retweet over the next 24 hours if you
drop a comment and tag a couple of friends and say you really enjoyed the space people should be
checking out gamified i'll be you'll be considered if you drop a retweet you'll be considered i'm going
to put out a video tomorrow morning from miami picking out uh three people that did that thank
you guys so much for the amazing support the numbers are absolutely crazy i'm i've like become
numb to them because it's so chaotic here in the shrapnel house but uh i can't thank you guys enough i
know a lot of it is for the overworld whitelist i'm not stupid but i still appreciate it nonetheless
and saint i know you want to give a code out to the tribe community that's also supporting the show today
yeah absolutely man i mean it really goes hand in hand of giving rewards for retention right and
one of the systems we've created is a very simple loop where you know if you join live events you're
able to earn rewards and then you could do you'll earn these relics essentially our off-chain currency
and with that currency you could buy whitelists buy mints buy other stuff from our treasury vault as
well so it's been a really fun way to kind of get our long-term retention but yeah with that
love our community being here um today's code is six eight eight nine you can enter that into our
tribal our tribe discord again the code is six eight eight nine you have just about a minute to be able
to do it thanks so much sam appreciate it man appreciate you faint as well and the whole tribe
community uh since we started rumble it's just been amazing how many of uh your fans have become fans
of gamified as well and are just so supportive so huge thank you for that and of course as we host our
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