PM GM, everyone. I'm gonna say
some words so no one thinks the
space is broken like last week
when they were a bit confused.
I was literally befuddled.
Y'all are always killing my vibe. I'm listening to my music over here that apparently I can
inevitably only hear, which is my sweet spot in life.
Sam just likes us to practice being in the library and you know, quiet time and we all
just like nice and peaceful, but really we need we need some gamified soundtrack
who's gonna make a gamified soundtrack and then hack it into Sam's phone to play
at the start of every six. Do you guys want me to play the Meiji theme song
again? No, we're... thank you. Am I underwater or am I sounding at least
better? I threw away my AirPods after last show. Dang. I'm glad you do because
you sound way better. Oh real quick, tag our boy Icy in the comments if you want
to play gamified bingo round two. He's running it back. He's doing it again and
I'm gonna I'm gonna supply a prize pool for it today yet again. Big shout out to
everybody that did that last week and a huge shout out to Icy for taking that
upon himself. I'm so stoked about that. Jerry, what's up? Yeah, I just want to put
on the bingo card. What's gonna be more bummy, dude? Dub Dub's takes or his
fucking AirPods? Wow, just just cuz I'm tired of listening to the one song
that you guys have been repeating for the last six. I get shot at. I see. I see.
Dude, correct yourself, Dub. It's been almost a full year, okay? Next week it'll
be a year. We have two other songs, by the way.
And big shout out. We got young Copernicus behind the the Avax on
Gaming account, dude. I'm so freaking excited to have Coop in the building.
Yo, thank you. That's about time to get somebody who's getting a fucking paycheck
on that thing, man. I know, I know.
Alright, guys, let me go kick us off. We got a freaking loaded show today. I'm so
excited about so many different parts here. Sinjin, we're still, Sinjin's in
the building joining us from the airport, too. I'm so excited about that. What a
beast, dude. But first, battling blazes and bolstering businesses, our guests,
brilliance, bridges, both bravery and boardroom bounties. It's not just the
fires he's fought, but the fervent fields of financial forays he's
fortuitously fostered. Having harnessed hefty hikes in web 2 with revenues
rolling royally, he's now navigating the nuanced nexus of web 3. Weaving wonders
with every winning wager. Of course, you know, it's the mastermind with the
Midas touch. Representing my angry Akusa girlfriend, it's Jerry, the Golden God
singer. Yo, what's going on? How's it going?
Don't we gonna be friends or what? I mean, what do you want to do here, dude?
We're best buds, Jerry. We're not going to talk about the GameCube. We're not
going to talk about anything else. We're chilling. And big shout out to Jerry for
finally getting rid of Fresco, which nobody knew him by. So it's just Jerry on
Twitter now. People actually know how to actually follow you when you have burning
hot takes, brother. I lost my paycheck for it, and it's nuking my
posting in the algorithm. So I'm paying penance. All six times you post a year,
dude. It must be really, really burning a hole in your pocket. Up next, hold
onto your hat. Grab your game pads and brace for impact because about to burst
onto our stage is none other than the dazzling sporting goods god who
juggled an arm of a 14 billion dollar company like a circus superstar. He's the
dynamo who dances at the dazzling intersection of athleticism and
algorithms, muscle and motherboards at the Herculean helmsman of partnerships
for shrapnel. He's the digital daredevil diving into depths where others merely
dip their toes. Welcome to the panel, the shrapnel sharpshooter, the king of
controllers. It's the redemption arc dub. Yes, sir. So freaking stoked to be
here. I know everyone can hear me just so cleanly because I threw away those
stupid AirPods. I'm stoked for everything. We got gameplay coming out.
It's a great time to be freaking at shrapnel and I love where I'm at. Let's
have a great freaking day. You love to hear it loud and clear. So crystal dude
it feels good on the eardrums, bro. Just hits so hard whenever Doug
comes through. There exists a whispered legend of a man who didn't just play
the game but he consumed it, feasting on the very souls of his adversaries. It's
said with every triumphant hand in the world of poker a part of his opponent's
spirit was siphoned, making him grow in power. This spectral skill set didn't
stop at the poker table though. His business alliances with Titans like Team
Liquid and Alibaba only added to his fabled force. To him convention was but a
word, transformation, his true calling. So brace yourselves for the soul leader,
the haunting him of the night. Representing my angry acoustic
girlfriend, it's our very own Titan of Taboo joining us from the Thailand
Airport. It's St. John. I'm here. I'm in the McDonald's. I'm gonna
chow down on a double filial fish and I'm gonna wreck this space today. Amazing
dude. I love you so much. He just put out a tweet saying that he loves Game
of Fights so much he literally schedules his international travel around it and I
can't tell you how much that means to me buddy. I love you. Up next before
burning bright and export in the export expanse this exciting entrepreneur excelled
in the FinTech frontier. He founded startups with the finesse of a fox
flirting with fortune. On top of that this man's water a water polo wizard a
splashing sensation of bonafide boy and badass having secured three water polo
national championships on the virtual velodrome of Rocket League. He's a
grand champion, a turbocharged Titan turning aerial acrobatics and goal
scoring into an art form. Now he's revolutionizing the intersection of
esports and web 3. So welcome to the panel, the export expert, the Rocket League
ruler, it's Connor. Yo that feels so good to have a Sam intro. Wow thank you so
much for having me. Really appreciate it. Yeah I love that. That's actually too
funny. Thanks Sam. Excited for tonight. Thank you for having a banging intro or
resume which always makes it significantly easier and more fun to
I appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen swinging into excitement and peel back
your perceptions because we're about to introduce a true king of the jungle in
the world of intelligent investments. In the dense forest of data and the
swinging vines of virtual ventures he's the brainy banana in a world of bland
fruit not just monkeying around he leaps from branch to branch with
blockchain wisdom sharing insights that shine brighter than a banana under the
jungle sun with the smarts of a silverback and the strategy of a
chess playing chimp he's not just another ape in the pack he's the gorilla
with the golden touch leading his followers to bunches of success so let's
beat our chests in admiration and welcome the primate pundit who's as
brilliant in his investments as he is boisterous in his banter it's crypto
gorilla thank you thank you happy to be back excited to talk about some web
three dude I'll have you back however many times you keep doing the chest
beating thing whenever you come on stage because it makes my day every time up
next whether for fun or full-time this next man has catapulted five social
media accounts past 20,000 followers in the last few years as the senior
marketing manager and head honcho of great gaming growth at avalanche he's
the trailblazer on the blockchain turning avalanche into an arctic
powerhouse in content and social media this isn't the first form of marketing
this man is mastered let's not forget his crowning moment in 2019 when he
seized the title of search engine marketer of the year when he redefined
the game he's a one-man symphony of socials a titan of tweets representing
avalanche it's coop oh thank you been waiting forever for my
intro this is awesome glad to be finally on the show this is so
ridiculously long overdue it's so great to have you bro I'm so excited with his
on chain omnipotence he's steering the starship influenced navigating nebulas
of network nodes and pioneering pathways and the sprawling strays trap space
strategy MMO universe with the background in sustainable design he's
blending bites with better living ensuring our digital delights don't cost
us the earth welcome to the panel to on chain Oracle the stark nets avant it's
either way oh my god thank you feels great to have one of these intros I've
been listening there for a year now Jesus well one week off from a year but
we'll have the anniversary show I'm sure next week and that'll be super
exciting also Connor three-time champion water polo player dear god I'm curious
what position you know my four years in high school probably doesn't compare
but respect I appreciate that yeah it's I was playing the goalkeeper so you
know was I really even a water polo player dude if you swam you play it
you're a water polo player any sort of swimming means you're a water polo player
we'll have to we'll have to get in the pool at GDC we'll settle this once in
for about next he's the pixel perfect pioneer who transformed Farmville from
a mere concept to a crop cultivating craze a man who's more familiar with
digital dirt than a cybernetic worm from the unreal engines epic expanse to
the guts and glory of Gears of War he's engineered experiences that echo
eternally in the ethernet he's now the CEO of proof of play the mastermind
molding the metaverse into a mesmerizing playground where every pixel pulsates
with the possibility of turning bits into bites and bites into a bounty of
booty for buccaneers welcome to the panel the proof of play pirate it's a
myth thank you so much wouldn't a big way to introduce everyone's so dope
I'm absolutely humbled and I feel like with these intros my imposter syndrome
is just kicking in really really humbled to be here you're gonna do great
brother it's fantastic to have you another man who's long overdue and ladies
and gentlemen lend an ear to the linchpin of our lively lexicon the
littles luminary with the loftiest of lore when our dialogue lingers he lays
down the law lighting up the lamp that leads us weighing in at 2.4 pounds let's
laud the Lord liaison the lightweight with the Lionheart it's the little
there's the legends and GM GM how's everyone doing I can't believe this has
been almost a year it's pretty wild how fast Titan goes and yeah excited for
another one and what do we got we got a few whitelists today dude only Sam what
do we got on the agenda that's right we're gonna be giving away a shrapnel
operator which I'm very excited about those are always absolute bangers and
then we've got a few more RGB or RG bite guaranteed whitelist thank you to
revolving games for those I'm really excited to have five of those to give
away to the people playing bingo with icy of course and then some of the
dedicated commenters and retweeters down there we'll get to that in just a
minute but ladies and gentlemen gamers and geeks blockchain buffs and digital
dreamers welcome to the pulsating power of a brand new episode of game
of five but before we embark on our digital odyssey let's raise our virtual
glasses to the Colossus cornerstone of our cosmic journey avalanche the
official blockchain of game of five imagine if you will a realm where the
digital wilderness stretches beyond the horizon where the blockchain blizzard
blurs the path of progress in this vast virtual expanse avalanche emerges not
only as a beacon but as a Herculean harbinger of high-tech hope with each
step avalanche transforms the complex labyrinth of the ledger into a lucid
landscape of limitless possibilities with avalanche every week is more than a
flurry it's a monumental storm of innovation a relentless downpour of
daring developments so let's salute the sovereign of software the chieftain of
the chain thank you avalanche for making 51 episodes of game of five
possible embrace yourselves buckle up and prepare for a pulse pounding parade
of pixels as we shine the shimmering spotlight on our others other stellar
sponsor the kingpin of the mouse and keyboard is shrapnel the official game
of game of five embark on an explosive excursion into the adrenaline pumping
heart racing realm of web 3 warfare with the first-person shooter sensation
shrapnel isn't just about pulling triggers it's an epic endeavor where
every shot fired forges your fate get ready to sigma jump into a lobby where
each click catapults you closer to a climactic combat and I've decided as
well we're gonna be giving away extraction packs to every single person
that plays bingo with icy so if you just want to get something even for
playing the game make sure you hop it there you cross off a couple of check
boxes and guys I usually this is where I jump into the show I got one major
announcement that I just got to get off my chest I think the tweet should be
going out now if it hasn't already a lens if you could pin it up whenever it is
but I'm hugely hugely ecstatic to be able to say that a Vax and shrapnel are
going to be the official blockchain and the official game of game of five
for all of 2024 the deals are done signed inked secured all that good
stuff they're truly the two best partners I could ever ask for they
give me complete complete creative freedom on the show and they support me
at every turn so just a massive massive thank you and Coop you personally as well
have just been absolutely incredible to work with every step of the way I'd love
to hear from you you know your your excitement about this as well yeah we've
been super happy with it Sam I think like this show is definitely the best
in web 3 gaming the caliber of guests you know having people like pirate
nation on stage singe in all these people that you you know speak with
that every week it's been huge and not only me but I know the rest of our team
recognizes it as well and we're super happy to support you you love to hear it
man thank you so much dub quick word on on you and shrapnel's opinion on on
gamified in this deal all the way through 2024 man you're one of my
favorites as well you know I love you Sam and and I'm so freakin proud for us
to do this it's been a long time coming and it's something we had to do
and honestly like working with you is and this show specifically has been a
life-changer for me even before I joined shrapnel so getting getting to do this
is just a huge honor from our point of view it looking forward to this next
year because we got a lot of stuff to cook on guys already got me in my
feelings and we're not even through question number one thank you guys so
much huge shout out make sure you guys go show some love on them tweet is
pinned up now give him a retweet tell him thank you for making this show
possible every single week because without them it wouldn't be and I just I
love you guys alright bullish or bearish is the first topic of the day Nike says
they'll go quote way deeper into digital fashion now typically I wouldn't bring
this up but the reason I do is because one of the only real use cases for
digital fashion is pause wait for it it's video games and skins are more
popular than ever I know people with thousands and thousands of dollars worth
of skins in fortnight alone roblox etc shrapnel dub send it back to you
man what's your take on this yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna hop off my my bear and
onto a bull because I've been so disappointed with everything Nike has
done since the the fortnight NFTs and everything I was so into that and I was
so stoked to see everything that dot swoosh was gonna do I minted one I was
there early I've been a part of the community and they've done literally
nothing it feels like since then it's just been like their community doing
little giveaways here and there through the Twitter that they tweeted more about
their team being on vacation then like actual things happening with Nike dot
swoosh so you know the fact that they're saying they're gonna double down
is making me excited to see the things that I was hoping to see already happen
and definitely impressed with all the things that they can do I mean they are
also a cornerstone of fashion and you can't have digital fashion without these
these name brands that already exist in the fashion space so excited to be rocking
some you know Nike SB dunks and whatever metaverse Tony Hawk rip-off comes out
here soon and looking looking forward to all that I love it coop behind the
avalanche account what's that you look I think we have to have patience in
some of these things and what's the statement around like underestimating
what we can do in a year and overestimating a year and underestimating
10 years and I think Nike is one of those brands that's if they're committed
to building in digital spaces and making ownership a real thing that is
going to be huge over 10 years I'm not that worried about like the next year
personally well said I'm gonna go to crypto gorilla next yeah I guess I
extend it beyond dot swoosh I look also at artifact they zap you know one of
the founders of artifact was beefing with people in the comments on Twitter
saying they've achieved so much and everybody was saying no you haven't
from his point of view to Nike they have they're delivering on all the
deliverables they're checking those boxes but all they've done is pretty much
sell the community more products which is exactly what Nike does and then you
know we recently got the animus update where they basically said hey we're
gonna be selling you more physical products so we'll see how that goes
same thing dot swoosh like I purchased those it's been pretty disappointing but
I like that they're they're not just quitting I like that they're gonna keep
going and I mean I hope I mean do I'm a Nike maxi I have a I don't know how
many pairs of shoes and I wear them I don't just collect them I was reading
their articles where they were saying we realized people are really into the
collectability I don't know if they understand the culture of web 3 because
most of us are here for money we want to collect it but I don't just want to give
you my money and and and hold your assets to zero so hopefully they they keep
doing more but I'm just bullish on on Nike from a biased point of view I'm a
Nike maxi so I want them to continue I want to see them succeed I really hope
they go into the loyalty stuff though I want to see way more connections between
physical assets and digital and give us free stuff like I would love if I
purchased five pair of shoes of Nike give me a loyalty program where I'm
getting random NFTs and then you're like hey you purchase these you're one of 100
people who get these exclusive shoes for free because you held on to these NFTs
and you purchased it and you showed us your loyalty that's the kind of stuff I
want to see great stuff out of crypto grill I gotta go to the comments real
quick it's actually a little bit off-topic but Savage Studios says let's
get it gamified baby I agree fuck first come first serve unless I get it of
course mentioning the title and then King Apollo one of my favorite content
creators as well says this title is my spirit animal so we're gonna jump into
that in the second half of today's show Jerry your thoughts on Nike trying to
double down on web 3 in digital fashion yeah I'm long term excited by it but
short term kind of bearish on it I just don't think that like there was a
lot of promise with NFTs and like the last couple years I think like the
physical slash digital stuff is kind of like gaming where like we all expected
it in 2021 and then people tried and we were all like well you know that it's
not what we wanted and like for a lot of the reasons that like really just said
you know there there hasn't been a good blend of like mixing those two worlds
and taking somebody who bought an NFT and like getting them something that's a
physical copy of their on-chain asset or anything right and I think that stuff
will get fleshed out in time is like it's easier to take assets from you know
on-chain to like in-game experiences that's gonna be pretty cool I think but
I just don't see that happening like really anytime soon I also think most
of us are a little too old to you know wear some of this stuff you know
sorry don't shoot me don't hate me guys I used to work in fashion I think I
might know something but the other thing is and I'm sorry to Orangy I fucking
hate the word fidgetil you know don't bring that back it's my that's what I
really don't want what everything else I don't really care but please don't stop
stop saying fidgetil I think I'm inclined to agree with you there lens I'll send it
over to you next brother yeah I'm inclined to echo frescoes thoughts like
short-term kind of whatever because long-term bullish but you need a way
to be able to flex this stuff and the metaverse is not really happening any
time soon and from what we've seen and something we've seen it's pretty cool is
uefn has becoming the kind of de facto metaverse and I know I'm super massive
with based AF like they're doing some pretty cool stuff if anyone seen seen
that I saw them post a video the other day where they do like a fashion shoot
in uefn and he's like it's not pre-rendered or anything and I'm like
well that's pretty cool but you have to see at the end of the day you need
people in that world to be able to flex on them for the fashion to actually you
know be meaningful in any way well said a thousand percent this is exactly the
talking point whenever sandbox into central and we're blowing up in 2021
people were frantically buying assets and then we were like yeah yeah but who's
who's gonna see them with the Central Lands 3 DAU either way over to you
brother yeah I want to preface this that if it weren't for my girlfriend I'd
be wearing Costco clothing only so you know fashion isn't really my forte but
the idea of like digital collectibles and fashion just it makes sense in my
mind and I think Nike is gonna do a lot of work to kind of popularize that but
I honestly come from the angle of like gaming and I think that like brands
that are maybe more fantasy oriented or gaming specific are gonna have a lot
better you know retention or excitement around products that can be put into the
digital space and be more exciting like give me like a dragon onesie on my like
pirate nation pirate or something that's from you know a cool brand that I
respect or something along those lines versus like give me a pair of shoes
that dear God I would never buy in my real life because if I put them on I
know that people would look at me and go you are not a fashion guy why are you
wearing Nike's so you know I'm just more excited about what this will end up
being in in games than it is for for fashion people because that's a niche
within a niche well said honor from export tagging you in yeah I think you
know Nike has such a big network you know if they do some really cool
things they could bring in you know a ton of users and so you know why not
use your network and set up you know really cool utilities within lots of
different games or you know use your network to connect with a lot of different
brands or something you know kind of moving down that like loyalty program
thing where you know if I have this Nike item or if I do this Nike activation then
I can get some cool stuff in-game and I can do this and this and this and it
brings a ton of users to whatever that game is or other brand that they've
worked with I think you know that's something I want utility well said
Connor Jerry I saw the hand go back up curious what you wanted to chime in
with yeah I just want to say a big shout out to either way for admitting that you
know he wears clothes from Costco you know I'm sure if Kirkland did an
activation my man will be all over it put Kirkland on chain bro over to a
mitt from proof of play yeah I mean this is I've been at a teacher like four
ish years and like one of the things that we were trying to solve back when
no one knew what NFT was was how do you get people to care about digital
collectibles in general and we were calling it like the trophy room problem
right like how do you like have a place to display your stuff and I think we have
that now like I think fortnight's maybe the best example of this because
they're doing all sorts of like brand integrations you know the question I
have for for any of these though is that if I buy like a Nike shoe in
fortnight can I only use it in fortnight or do we start getting to
like interoperability and like portability between games right like
because you know I can only use my like physical shoes in just New York and I
can't use them in like Chicago right and so so I think like you know for
consumers to really take these things seriously you gotta like kind of like
commit to some sort of like story around how like buying this digital shoe is not
just for like this one-time thing but it'll follow you around and like every
universe you go to that's a really great point and something that we've
talked about a couple of different times is interoperability not from the actual
original project side but sort of vampire attacking other games by saying
I'm gonna make their NFTs do something in my game so that I can hopefully get
their users and incentivize them to come over here I could imagine if Nike put
out a banging set of shoes that everybody wanted to wear and every game
that could be a potential way that we could integrate some of that the
interoperable tech on but you would have to have the onus to actually
integrate it send in tagging you in for McDonald's brother you know I got I got
evicted from McDonald's because a tour group came in so I had to like stand now
in the hallway you might McDonald's but technically but you know I'm even more
concerned for this panel because they considered Nike fashion I understand
because he's from late this morning goods world but I feel bad for all of
you but I'm kind of bullish for Nike I know for this the sneaker stuff I mean
they're really looking at the sneaker heads and really for them as collectibles
this entire narrative of fashion is bullshit but you know them getting the
cash cow going on the digital side for their collectibles I think it's good
play for them well said all right we move on to a topic we might not spend
it's on a time on this one but it made me laugh so hard I couldn't not include
it what's the word for this year at games done quick one of my favorite
charity events a Shiba Inu dog not the coin like an actual Shiba Inu dog
successfully speed ran gyromite a video game in 26 minutes in front of 77,000
viewers peanut butter sometimes you got itchy and therefore distracted during
previous play sessions so this time the Shiba Inu had a bath to prepare for the
big game shout out to decrypt I was dying right reading this article what's the
word for peanut butter's amazing speed run limbs I send it over to you the
dog is a genius genius is the only word I pinned the the article if anyone wants
to read it but like that dog is like smart as fuck I would probably get wrecked
if I had to speed run against that dog and I just couldn't stop laughing when
I read that story it's just too good absolutely amazing coop I'm tagging you
in bro what's the word it reminded me and Sam I know I told you this it
reminded me of the girl who's been playing video games with just her mind
and like controlling things and to me the marketer in me is immediately like yes
this is genius you have to do this kind of thing to grow and like growing a
twitch stream is so hard these days standing out getting press getting a lot
of people to talk about you is amazing I just wish they would reach out to me
and ask for sponsorship before they do it when coop told me about the mind
control girl I did ring a bell and I told him none of us are coming to the
Avax booth unless he has that at GDC so expect a mind control booth you heard it
you heard it here first gamified exclusive there's it's definitely gonna
happen for sure if you know miracles happen shrapnel dub over to you dude it
sounds like but doggos gaming is starting up and we need to find more
dogs that can game and get them all signed under but doggos we can get this
rough rough gaming going you know the peanut butter is frantically sending
emails to the booger boogers PR team trying to pick up that sponsorship Jerry
over to you man what's the word for peanut butter fuck this dog dude I'm so
against this dog dude all he's doing is listening to his owner dude I mean that
guy is the impressive one that he was able to train a dog to listen this
dog's fucking overrated dude I don't want to hear anything about it that said
the only dog more overrated than this dog is my dog who can't do shit and just
barked at other dogs all the time fucking hell so dude this dog boo thumbs
down on this dog also dude who's equally as cool as a mind control girl
the guy who plays like with that stupid recorder and like don't headshots
people on Call of Duty all day I want to see him at the Avax booth as well coop
playing against all these people who think they're good and just beating
everybody at every shooter that you guys have shrapnel make it happen bro we
were gonna sponsor peanut butter as like our main like influencer for me G cuz
like definitely is not gonna flip our NFTs and you just fuck that entire thing
that Jesus Christ we're gonna have a talk after this man you guys are gonna
be in a bidding war for peanut butter is exclusive rights any minute we move on
thanks guys so much for making that as much fun as I hope they would be I love
each and all of you equally we're moved on to doomed or destined we were just
roasting immortal game a web 3 chess game just a few weeks ago for taking I
think it was 11 million dollars and then leaving web 3 to quote Koji who's
not on this panel today so therefore he's dead to me a few weeks ago he said
what we can do that we could just take money and leave web 3 which I thought was
very poignant my question for the panel now Anna chess is entering web 3 with
only 1.5 million dollars and they're playable with chess.com and they have
support from vaunted chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen so my question again for
the panel doomed or destined is this actually gonna do anything that immortal
game couldn't tell from shrapnel over to you yeah it's destined I still have
my immortal game NFT because they're just wankers for not being willing to
figure it out in the first place and you know eventually someone's gonna step
up and and get involved and bring them back to web 3 like they're destined to
become and for sure I mean like just cuz someone says something can't be done
that means someone else just needs to go and do it and that's what in a chest
is exactly gonna do it's just good crafting and game economy like it's not
that difficult of a thing to whip up all right either way I had the hand up next
yeah I mean look Magnus is involved he's thinking like 40 steps ahead of
everyone so they already have it figured out all right Magnus has it all in the
cards and omit from proof of play I mean I think this is inevitable I
actually use a chess analogy a lot when when pitching our business I mean why
should like the entire history of every player being some database and not on
chain and auditable and so on like it just it's this is like it's not a matter
of of if it's a matter of one and I think the animoca chess.com matchup is
like kind of the perfect way to get it get make it real well said Jerry is
this doom or destined I again feel like I'm in the middle of an opium den
because I don't know what these people are talking about I asked last time we
talked about this how do you iterate on chess right well let me tell you how
anti chess is going to do so with spell mechanics now I don't know if you guys
know a lot of chess people but they're purists right they're like golf people
you know they have all these weird rules you know if anything changes they
don't like it I don't really see how chess with spells really ups and brings
new people on I think like that you know to kind of counter a meets point like I
don't need to see you know how many touchdowns Tom Brady through on chain
right I just go on nfl.com and see that and if we're gonna keep stats or
anything so I don't really think this is a great use case of anything you know
Magnus Carlsen's involved that's cool you famously know him as the guy who
you answer regardless of what the question is at bar trivia when it's about chess you
just say Magnus Carlsen that's my name you know so that's cool that he's on
board and but I will say one thing that I'm actually excited about on this
chess.com is a hundred million registered users that's a lot there's
potential here I eat my words down the road just because you know there's a
big funnel there already but it's chess man I don't know.
Sinjin had the hand up next over to you brother no yeah I agree that we're in an
opium den right now you know like it's fucking doomed man you know like how
many times like over the last like I don't know how many years have people
tried to like innovate with chess and they haven't been able to do that and
these are not just like whatever but like these are like top players but you
know I'll give an analogy one of the top poker sites in the world at one point
was called Full Tilt Poker and they're all run by poker pros right and just
because you're a pro just because your grandmaster whatever like that doesn't
mean you're gonna be able to innovate on a game that you spend your entire life
just basically learning the way that it is so like I don't think it's ever
gonna happen just because that game not only just purest factor of it it's
just that it's such a skill-based game that it's gonna be hard to like put in
loops that are gonna really make sense and that on top of an economy just
unbelievably difficult really well said sinjin crypto gorilla attacking you in
yeah I had spoken to like maybe a year and a half ago somebody wanted me to do
advising for a chess game and exactly right home was how are you gonna do
play to earn chess when chess is one of the easiest games to cheat at when
you're sitting at home on your computer you just pull up a second screen you
play the moves your opponent's playing and the computer tells you exactly what
to play so right there it made no sense I don't know how they didn't see that I'm
looking at I'll pin it to the top here I'm looking at this is their mini game
for any chess I hope this is not what the main game looks like because I want
I want I when I think of their game with spells I think of that Harry Potter
chess where the characters move on their own and they break each other and
stuff but adding a spin where like my my Knights can move in any direction or
shoot fireballs like yeah the core chess people I don't think they're ever gonna
be into it they might pay attention to it because it's in their world right
it's chess they know all the pieces they like the lore or whatever you want
to call it but at the end of the day chess is just always gonna remain chess
and it's probably just gonna be like a mini game like all the iterations we've
seen of poker but at the end of the day people want to play like the main
versions of poker they don't want to play some poker with fireballs I couldn't
agree more I was waiting for somebody to mention that and then the less version
of this was of course people cheating in live chess tournaments with butt plugs
which I'll leave you guys to Google on your own that's a real thing that
people are winning thousands of dollars with limbs over to you how are you
supposed to follow that yeah I'm gonna say doomed and fresco you I mean Jerry
now you have to like reprogram my brain but anyway you needed to be a little
bit more patient right like all the all the bearish people came out after you
so yeah I'm gonna say this feels like deja vu from when we talked about a
mortal game a few weeks ago I'm just like what makes this you know
interesting changing the mechanics completely it doesn't really make it
appealing to chess people I just don't really see how any web 3 chess could
work and I'll be happy if someone can prove me otherwise and come up with
something cool but as of right now I'm just kind of bearish on any chess game
than web 3 a minute over to you then we'll hit crypto Brilla once more all
right I'll take the counterpoint on this so the way that I think about this
is if you look at something like leeches right they basically create an open
source just network right but you know it's at the end of day it's still not
like really truly owned by the community so I actually think that if what they're
doing is iterating with on the core game mechanics that you're right I agree with
everyone here that's a failing proposition but if what they're doing is
innovating on the way that the community is is organized and arbitrary and how
people host tournaments and how people build clients and the ability for anyone
to basically plug into this kind of global chess network that to me is
where it starts to get interesting leave the rules of the game the same
in fact let people fork the game and create their own new rule sets if they
want let them mod it and you know most people just play the vanilla chess game
but like you know I basically view it as like okay we have open source chess what
we don't have is an open source chess player database and I think when you
start to have that you can start to get some really interesting new
applications now maybe these guys will fuck it up because you know spells is
not where I would start but that's where I think the potential is on this
well said a minute crypto gorilla with the last word before we read some comments
and move on it's a good idea letting people make their own iterations the game
it's kind of like nifty island you make your own island and then if people play
your island maybe you could earn I guess the other point I wanted to bring
up was just their web 3 strategy seems off as well they have animoca which I
believe is the main reason most people are paying attention to them but like
they try to do a collab with me and they were telling me hey you can give
away ten of our orbs to your audience and I look and the orbs are selling for
like a dollar I was like why would anybody care about this again it's like
they don't understand the speculation and web 3 we want money these things are
worth a dollar why would anybody care thinking back to spark ball which of
course had skins as their first NFT they went for like $3 and managed to
drum up a grand total of zero interest even though people really liked the
game singin I'll send it over to you quick last word yeah it just occurred to
me that I forgotten this but you know actually the innovation of chess was
already solved with the game called Starcraft through war my job
Cindy knows the way to my heart is just to talk about Starcraft dude you son of
a bitch all right yap is gonna win the first white list of the day says hear
me out AI chess that plays themselves and you could just ask ask them to play
different ways and use skills that affect the game maybe it sounds like AI
arena but with chess yeah there's always a huge supporter in the comments we're
gonna hook him up with that first revolving games white list Mike huncho
dot F says I tend to agree with fresco here it seems most people that get into
chess do it to play traditional chess that does seem accurate CDN says team
fight tactics is a chess iteration well suited for web 3 Dante dot edu says
I think fresco is right about how purists are chess users and how they
could reject any of the magic stuff on top of the game but I think this is a
good approach for non-chess users all those wannabes that were born born
after watching Queen's Gambit are gonna be targeted yeah well said alright guys
we move on I really want to hear from the audience on this one agree or
disagree NFTs are live ops products this came from a comment from the end
ow don't kill me if I if I'm saying that wrong but from Tatsu Miku big shout out
he says tokens and NFTs are live ops products the faster a product team
learns this and masters managing live ops live ops commodity with product
market fit the better the chances of long-term aligned successes or else
they're just quote trying shit and breaking shit unquote while other people
hold on to the bag for them lambs send it over to you first I'm gonna
hopefully not butcher the name and say I think it's zero XE and ow but like
maybe maybe I'm off the mark and I think this is like a really overlooked thing in
web 3 not from some projects but as a whole I think a lot of people overlook it
I think we've all been a part of some mints and projects where everything was
popping off and it was really hyped before the mint or they were just like
doing a lot of marketing and then radio silence after the mint which is one of
those classic mistakes and I even remember a story from it could have
been two years ago at this point it was like last year though I feel like
where a team basically were pumping and like going really hard up to the mint day
and then as soon as the mint happens they're like we're going on vacation for
two weeks because we've worked so hard up to the mint and like that's the worst
thing you could do you basically just got the things started and you've minted
your collection and then you're just going to abandon your holders and
community for two weeks and hope it works out there's like such a such a
bad thing so I always ask teams like why are you minting because as soon as
you mint something you have more expectations you've got to manage your
community more it's a lot more than just running a discord at that point when you
have asset prices and you got a kind of deal with that sentiment shout out to
Jackson the comments he says I'm kind of salty that everyone is footing chess
I love online in the timer helps keep cheating down but we're moving on NFTs
as live ops products I really really really want to hear from people in the
audience on this one because I think we have a lot of founder perspectives up
here and I want to know if you guys also see the NFTs that you hold as live ops
products that's the super interesting part to me I think fresco at the hand up
next I'll send it over to you yeah and to that guy's point chess is fine but you
know on-chain chess is lame so I want to start actually and just do a little
definition reading of like what live ops is because I think when you're not in
like the building side of gaming you might not know what that means and
that's essentially live ops means live operations textbook definition read off
of app love in here refers to any changes updates or improvements made to a game
without having to release a brand new version of the game right so when you
look at something like NFTs of course they're live ops right and they're
100% live ops products because you know they're going to be most teams here if
you guys don't know this have a plan for like probably several mints right
they want to do that are going to add to the game that are going to add you
know characters if it's chess apparently you're going to fucking add
spells you know they're going to add maps they're going to add content to the
game continuously and so if you're going to build a game that's going to
live and have a five to six year shelf life and you are not thinking about NFTs
as a live ops product and how those are going to you know exist within your
game for five or six years tell me now and I'll sell everything I own in your
project right NFTs have to be part if you're building web 3 they have to be
part of what you're doing you know in the long term and if they're not then
what are you doing here right so you know to me they're absolutely a live ops
product because there's something that we're going to continually you know
wanting to keep adding and as new standards come you know that changes
what you can even do with an NFT right 721 C helped builders a lot of ways and
that's mostly like on-chain stuff but there's going to be innovative people
who are building really cool stuff that can you know work in game in ways
that we aren't even thinking about right now right these little 18 year old kids
we're taking a comp sci classes right now when they graduate in four years
they're gonna be adding way cooler shit than like what exists right now so
hundred percent yes their live ops product quick reminder that we have a
shrapnel operator to also give away to our commenters today and jaxi strikes
back he says who the fuck is this Jerry guy he doesn't even have a check mark he's
probably a bot cool pulse I did over to you man or NFTs live ops products in
your eyes they definitely got jury there they are I think especially from a
consumer standpoint we really want them to be live ops products and and see
activity all the time the hard part is especially for non gaming NFT projects
is you just have an NFT you sold it up front maybe you're collecting some
royalties but like what is the motivation to to treat it like a live ops product
when there's really not much to gain out of that and so I think there's a
disparity between like founders builders of NFT projects and what the consumer
really wants which is definitely a live ops product well said Mike dark in the
comments also says I can agree that a lot of NFTs I own I keep because of the
continuous information alpha benefits etc they come with them otherwise I would
have sold if there was no benefit jaxi for making us all laugh and being a die
hard comments I'm gonna hook you up with one of those RG bite revolver or
revolving games whitelist thanks man I appreciate you either way over to you
man or NFTs live ops products yeah so one online games in general are just
live operations all the time period so if you're gonna add NFTs on top of that
then yes I mean the whole reason to use NFTs in a game is that a lot of
information flows through them and so you're constantly gaining that
information now I think there is definitely some some differences between
like an ERC 20 year see 721 and an ERC 1155 and I won't go into the nitty-gritty
here but I think some are gonna be more flexible than others but a team
definitely needs to consider exactly how these things are being used in your
ecosystem and make sure that they make sense for your community and it dawns
on me that maybe not everybody knows what live ops means live ops stands for
live operations like World of Warcraft since like 20 2004 has been a live ops
product just continuously releasing new content updates etc just for context for
anybody that might not know sinjin over to you brother oh man that tiny the tour
group is literally walking by me right now but uh you know the live ops team is
very nuanced just because I'm gonna pull a knot to the whole shit all right I'm
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lucidity and now we tag back in with singe in to see if the tourism group
has cleared what are your thoughts on NFP's product oh man there's another
tourist group coming but I'll be really quick I'm gonna pull a knock here
right and like live ops in this case like what is the game that we're
really playing here it's a trading game right and that's one kind of game and
so yeah if you're playing the trading game that's the live ops there but
really it's a matter of like you know investor relations I are right like how
well are you communicating so and so forth and then you know then you have
a live ops for the game and the assets in the game and so on so forth and
that's like the second part of the game which I think for most of us we
haven't gone to yet just because you know games take a lot of time to
dub from trap over to you yeah it's honestly a weird question that I'm
struggling with because my main like question and thought is like with
specifically with cosmetic items are those technically like live ops products I
mean I get that they're released seasonally and then around forever but
I don't know it's weird for me to consider like our weapon skin NFT's as
live ops products and sorry to like open the question to the floor but it like I
feel like I'm an idiot for not being able to just like they are just because
they're adding to the existing game and it's a different way for monetization and
you have to analyze how these different skins are monetizing and so on so for
them how long you need to keep them out for what you're gonna try some at what
kind of promotions etc etc that should enhance the game hopefully appreciate
use engine as always educating myself so yeah I mean I guess fucking everything
is a live ops product in that case I mean especially things that are like
battle passes and you know that's so on and so forth and all the questing side
of NFT's and everything too so fresco Jerry over to you man yeah I just wanted
to you know ascension kind of beat me there didn't respect the hand system
but yeah no I think cosmetics fuck you man they're 100% you know a live ops
product you know I think like you know I remember playing fortnight when like the
John Wick skin came out maybe just aged myself also by saying that but like a
lot of people came back to play just to get like the John Wick skin or like the
same thing happened with them like Nicki Minaj in warzone recently right I
think that was warzone right but yeah I mean I think it's like even if it's a
cosmetic is it still kind of a retention hook or like a way to re-engage people
or to bring a new audience in right especially a game that's like Call of
Duty you know it doesn't have a lot of female like they targeted Nicki Minaj for
a reason right so yeah I would say even cosmetics like have to fall like fit into
that category you know it's not just like map updates and content patches
and things like that but sorry I didn't hear you oh are we still in business
Sam you're kind of there but kind of not I don't say any business in business
man oh my bad yeah I think I'm back I think I'm back we're so back guys we
made it wag me Billy's wag me Jay did I cut you off or did you finish your point
no I was pretty much done all right perfect I'm gonna send it over to the
comments AK says I think they're live ops products for sure you see with the
most successful NFT projects and brands that they've been able to pivot based
on what they know will bring them hype which is the true NFT currency and the
way they frame these changes of direction stagnation after mint equals
death and in terms of gaming NFTs I think it's actually harder because
there's a clear utility stated up front which is access the battle pass in game
characters etc and the live ops sides becomes more about tailoring the info
drip to community versus actual changes I think that's an absolute banger
comment thanks AK we're gonna hook you up with another one of those white
lists that we have huge shout-out and we move on to the next topic heroes or
villains YGG merit circle breeder Dow avocado Dow paragons Dow there seems to
be a cyclical opinion on web 3 guilds token up guilds are great dude I love
these things these are the best I love those guys token down fuck those guys
I can't believe they dumped their assets those sons of bitches and right now
we're sitting in neutral in the fear and greed index and so I'm really
curious to get everybody's opinion or web 3 gaming guilds the hero or are they the
villain lens I sent it over to you first I have my own take but honestly like the
NPC CEO Ember had this like post of this in wolves and I asked him if I could
quote him on this because I feel like he hit the nail on the head and like
sums up my sentiments I'm just gonna read his comment here which has everyone
hates gills and tokens are down but loves them when tokens are up as long as
there are games where liquid asset act or liquid assets affect gameplay there
will always be scholarships and investment goes we will see massive
surgeons and we will see a mass resurgence of new guild models I think
for the foreseeable future business-minded folks will continue to run
guilds gamers don't want to manage finances oh and Sam you just rugged me
I wrote you in it yeah you just moved that if it was really good on the page
it's all good and see it gamers don't want to manage finances we'll see a
growth in creator-led gills or creators as the as the face of girls in coming years
he'll solve many of the revenue problems in eSports in web two games creating a
structure for orgs to manage and funds govern invest it's a challenge in web
three once you have a popular title is helping to distribute the game revenue to
eSports orgs and their members more equitably will drive for orgs driving
user acquisition I think it's a really good take he kind of covers like the
gamers not wanting to manage finances I think is like such a good point and
how as long as there are valuable assets where we can make money in things
gills will exist but as soon as the bear comes back everyone's just gonna be
like gills are the worst tokens bad it's all about gameplay and then as soon as
the market goes back up it's like tokens are amazing gills are the best
they're gonna rent me my assets and I'm gonna make general well said tons of
hands going up while you were speaking that out shout out to ember to for
that amazing comment either way I send it over to you man what's your take
gills are created equally and you know I've talked with many there are guilds
that are part of influence they own assets and when I speak to a lot of them
you know it's you kind of get two reactions you get one is like how does
your game function and like how can my players earn period and like those ones
can be very challenging to work with because it's extracted by nature but
then there's guilds that are extremely supportive and they're actually gonna be
builders in your ecosystem they're gonna help bring players in they can
point out weaknesses help you guys you know develop the game further and and I
think long term if they can create a sustainable business on top of your game
then like fuck yeah let's do it you know but at the same time you know I
think when the hype is up really really high it can start to get pretty
frothy and weird and you see scholars everywhere and and at the end of the
day you know games are supposed to be fun and sometimes the scholars mentality
can can make the ecosystem feel a little challenging well said brother dub
from shrapnel I'll send it over to you and real quick I haven't had a chance to
say it shrapnel actually has an operator holders playtest coming up on
Thursday that I just wanted to plug so if you hold an operator and you didn't
know about that make sure you join me and some of my homies so we can throw
down oh yeah throw down it's gonna be tomorrow and then I'll plug some alpha
where we're running to the back next week on Friday for a second operators
holders playtest so if you don't get in for this week you'll definitely be
able to get in for next week but for for guilds and everything I think they're
they're heroes to everyone that they service and villains to everybody else
so like for the for the scholars and the games that they're partnering with of
course they're providing the services that they said they would and everyone's
happy there but other gamers inside that same like ecosystem when they see a
guild go and buy up all these rare swords and all of a sudden the rare
swords are $2,000 rather than the $200 that they were before then they get
pissed and and they're because now something that they thought they wanted
or were about to go to buy they're like oh well it's way too overpriced now and
from that relationship that that's what happens and I've seen it I've been I've
been there as a player I think a lot about EVIO in their early days and how
they handled all the guilds coming in and kind of like creating that ecosystem
and forcing EVIO to kind of be that way with their community well said who
behind the Avax account my man what do you think I think size matters I'm sorry
Jerry but yeah so size matters in that if you're a small game early on a small
guild isn't gonna wreck your economy but you know approaching some of the bigger
ones where they're gonna spend a shitload of money and corner of the
market might be troubling and I think there's especially from a founder side
and a builder side these guilds can be really valuable and great and you don't
necessarily have to pay them a whole lot if you convince them that this is the
right opportunity for them and so can be great awareness well said singe and if
there are no tourism groups I love to get your opinion I'm seriously running
away from these tourism groups but they're like following me around or
there's so many of them anyways long story short is uh I think like for me
like weptry guilds are like I hate them and I hate them more and I detest them
to test them more and then I would like to just fucking kill them all and it
comes from I guess an old-school kind of more mentality that I think the game
should grow the guilds organically right you meet people in the game you
enjoy the game you see the game for wonder is and any game feel that comes
in with an extractive nature right and we'll have big pockets because they
raised during the ball you know like it's just not gonna be good for the game I
purposely designed our game so it would be guild resistant and you can't believe
how many times like in the late 2021 every single VCE I talked with say hey
we can get you strategic a partnership with the guild and it's gonna jump start
your game and I was like no and they're alive why and I go cuz they're
extracted the game is not gonna work after that because they're just gonna
make all the player-based one-sided now of course there are different types of
games and guilds and some guilds have really evolved and I think you know
great for them but like the ones currently right now they're sitting up
scholarship systems like I ran a scholarship and it was almost like some
guilds were like basically digital slavery to their scholars as well so
you know I'm not for this kind of system where they're gaining the the game
getting the assets and then just basically partnering with the game for
growth metrics and then basically you know pumping and destroying the game
afterwards I think it's ridiculous well said Jerry do you are you pro against
guilds and does size really matter is what we actually need to know hello is
this a vaccate jar yeah I'd like to report yeah I think the answer when it
comes to guilds is really nuanced and I think the answer is all of the above
right now is there some great examples of guilds and I'll give you know when I was
at metal core guilds gave us a like investment right which was great for you
know a fledgling studio who was just starting up and getting started but they
also gave us really good player liquidity every time we did an event
because they have a vested interest in seeing the game do well right they
would provide a like YGG for example you know did great for us and YGG is
awesome because they like are a diamond-hand group of you know just they
don't sell anything right so yes can that help when you know if you're
following like the YGG wallet you see them start to make moves do you buy
into that too knowing that they're about to lock up 20 rare swords or
whatever like you know dub example dubs example was that's gonna happen right
and that's awesome and that's good and you know I think a lot of games need
stuff like that and that you should want YGG to come and hold right but is
they're going to become a time where YGG is going to sell those things because
they need to make money 100% right so I think you know on the the other end of
that right I look at the axi example right did guilds help actually get to
like a million players yes but then did that create a million people and on
both sides both the guilds and the players that they were bringing in who
were ruthlessly dumping the tokens to plummet the economy that's also true
right so I think there's so much nuance when it comes to guilds and they can be
both a good and bad thing but they're here right and I think the the best
applications of guilds really haven't been explored yet and I think the real
villain is is it the guilds is the scholars or is it the people who aren't
designing their game to be guild proof right and this is one of the best
things about Meiji for a quick shill but it is guild proof and that is a huge
asset for us to have that in our back pocket right and most games aren't built
that way most games built in web 3-4 guilds and that's the exact wrong
approach you need to build to where they can't fuck you and if you're not
doing that who's the real villain you know you probably are to yourself
interesting take michelin in the audience also says can I get a guild
to rent me an operator so I can get on this playtest we'll find out a Connor in
true gamified fashion slammed the thumbs down on Jerry as all people should
Connor your take on this one yeah I mean I have I have a thought here and
but after hearing Jerry speak I also want to know you know why is you know
Meiji background noise why is Meiji guild proof or how can you make your
game guild proof but perhaps before that you know when we were you know
initially starting out as xborg we had obviously building a gaming community and
we were compared to guilds the whole time you know people would say xborg is
a guild and we were like no please don't call us that that's sounds terrible you
know we don't buy assets we don't lend out any assets and none of that kind of
crazy shit we want to host tournaments we want to get players into your game
and we'll be playing the tournaments with them and have a lot of fun
and bring that kind of organic kind of growth I think there's different ways
you can you can go about the the guild kind of model you know one of the things
we did was it's similar to like the eat lizards kind of way is you can let you
know your your community or your NFC holders or whatever invest in like
pre-seed or seed deals within a game instead of you going in and buying like
a bajillion assets or whatever in the game and then being able to dump at
the end but yeah over to Jerry yeah if that's fine Sam I would love to hear you
know how Meiji is guild proof not that I don't want to answer that but I mean
Sinjin literally designed every part of the game
I'll do a really quick job of it number one is that we designed the we're on
Heath and a lot of people hate that but the fact of the matter is the way
the guilds also like kind of adjust the system or imbalance the system as they
share assets between accounts and so for us if you're not part of like an
internal clan or guild that we've set up which is between 12 to 17 people then
you need to transfer it on chain so you need to pay that gas and for the most
part paying that gas fee to transfer it would be more expensive than not doing
so that's one aspect of it the other aspect is that we already have an in
system so that it's basically puts everyone at an equal footing and then
there's a limit to it and the benefit of that is you can pull resources right
without paying gas fees on there and I guess the last thing about it is like
our primary game where you're minting tokens and you're burning them right it's
not played to win there's no macro there's difference in terms of game
play but like it's it's not pay-to-win whatsoever and so for those three
things in combination we've made it as guild proof as possible but also the
fact of the matter is I mean I think that with my attitude that everyone knows
that I hate fucking guilds that are like those kind of like scholarship went
through guilds they're probably gonna stay away from our game anyway so fuck
their liquidity Jerry to translate from the white noise that we were hearing
yeah he covered the first two parts really well I think the noise picked up
and at the end but there's you know the game is both minted and burned from
within Meiji so you know when it comes to like that ruthless token dump that you
see that you saw happen in axi and will happen in a lot of other games especially
because there's also VCs dumping it like on there so there yeah the guilds
are investing in you dumping the tokens as soon as they're able to then
they're playing the game dumping those tokens as well that's not that can't
happen it literally can't happen in Meiji because there's so many tokens
like being the tokens are minted from the game but also significant amount of
burned from within the game as well all right either way to get us back on
track or our guilds the hero or the villain my man yeah just to I think a
point to maybe make is that like if your games mechanics are so easy that
like anyone can just face roll guilds are really really problematic to just
take an example influence the game that I'm working on it's a crazy complex
strategy game with like 250 items that you could potentially craft like if a
guild is good at this game and players are doing well that means they're
actually good at this game and at that point like go for it like that's
that's like all the power to them and we're already seeing alliances form
within our community that have read you know the millions of words I've
written over the last three years about the game that are just gonna probably you
know stomp anyone who comes in with just money because they they actually
understand the mechanics of the game so I think it's just it's money isn't money
can't buy you the win if it can guilds will ruin your game well said I think I'm
seeing a lot of unanimous agreement on the panel there for that one tons of
sick comments we got pirate master Murdoch saying yo let's squad up for
that shrapnel play test for all see you there a he says not heroes or villains
pretty much like the civilian being saved by the hero if you save them provide them
with something they all love you and if you save someone else they're gonna hate
you and Blake says oh shit I had no idea that play test was happening you
broke it get in there Blake come on man and then CDN says a good guild will
grind during the bear and sit on the accumulated assets to distribute to
future members ice frost says this is the first time I've joined gamified because
the time zone issues and there's too much alpha in here you love to hear it
thanks brother but also a big shout out to everybody that listens after you
know 24 hours comes back and catches the audio on demand I love you guys just as
much we're getting into the title topic of the day fuck first come first
serve whiteless agree or disagree there's been a strong narrative of fuck
FC FCFS on Twitter right now Elisa one of the key members deciding publicly to
state that she will not accept any whitelists that are not guaranteed how
could you structure a mint that's actually beneficial for both the
projects and players do we agree with fuck first come first serve I'm gonna send
it over to crypto gorilla well not a lot of people are doing it pre-sales
which I don't know if that's better or worse but I think first come first serve
works in certain cases when you have a very large supply and it's not like the
most type upcoming mint obviously everybody thinks of overworld a lot of
people are pissed also if you're not telling the truth about how over
allocated it is that also sucks but the opposite is you know with these small
mints people have to realize if there's no first come first serve you're not
getting whiteless anyways when it's a very small supply they're probably gonna
handpick people probably gonna handpick communities influencers everybody's
gonna complain about the cabal and all that but it's cuz they give them
exposure they give them marketing so they want to work with them so the the
alternative is you're probably not gonna get whitelist for a lot of the small
supply Genesis supplies at least the second supply sure the Genesis one
where it's like 200 spots you're not getting whitelist anyway so all you have
is first comes first serve if you don't like it grab it and go on one of
these whitelist marketplaces and sell your wallet like you know you can make
some money there but there's no really great solution here I agree that you
know fuck first come first serve for Freeman's that's completely useless it's
just gonna be a gas war and it's just marketing for them they're like hey we
only have 500 spots how do we turn that into 3,000 first come first serve well
said a minute from proof of play over to you yeah I have two takes on this
one is the company doing the minting you know I think there's like clearly
better mechanisms you know one of the first things we designed at the company
here was a raffle based system and you can basically like you know do it on chain
you could prove that was fair and it just ends up being you know people
deposit you know whatever the cost the empty is beforehand it just you know
it's it's just to me the fair way of doing this right and and then the second
side of it is what we see a lot is like you know a live project where
other people are coming to us to collab and they're like hey we're gonna give
your community you know first come first serve man so we think that's absolutely
bullshit like we just won't ever do that to our community because of the reasons
mentioned before right like it's just you know they're basically just trying
to you know get build awareness for their projects extract you know value
from our players and our people that have put time into our community and
just like it doesn't make sense to partner with you know it's just it's
kind of below it's below the line for us and so you know I think like if first
come first serve just went away like the entire industry we've done for it
interesting spicy stuff dub from shrapnel yeah first up from like the
consumer point of view not from the the builder point of view is like I
fucking loved first come first serve things like I originally came from the
proton blockchain which was the obscure one that rather than like gas wars what
happened was whoever had the fastest internet and the fastest speed and who
could hit control refresh like right on time and get the first minute was the
first one to get it and I lived for that shit and that was what made me get
fiber internet that's what made me get into like all this degeneracy in the
first place and I thoroughly enjoyed that that was a game in itself and
like for sure like with the ETH and the gas wars it does not make sense for every
man but it's still a game and the players of that game I bet you they love
that shit they're like oh well how much do I need to spend on this gas
cost you know I hope I get it right and like that's the game for them and let
the players freakin play because I think the consumer wise they've been
enjoying it for a while and continue to do either way from influence I want
to hear from you next yeah I mean I think when all this really came about let's
say two three years ago the creativity was lacking it was like we can do NFTs hooray
how do we release them why don't we just have 10,000 of them that's a round
number we can do it and like you know what were we minting like god I have
like a french fry NFT that I you know fought for so you know at that point yeah
it was a game and and I'm fine with that look if you're gonna launch a PFP
project and you wanted to first come first serve absolutely go for it but if
you're a game and you actually want a community the first thing you want to do
is not piss off 50% or maybe more people because they they couldn't mint
your project and then they spent $200 on a failed you know experience yeah that's
gonna hurt you long term so I think be creative make it part of your game
that's what influenced did two and a half years ago and people still talk
about it this day they were like I spent like three hours looking for my asteroid
and then I minted it it's like it's you should think of it as part of the
experience well said a great comment from jink here into he says FCFS whitelist
make no sense I have an equal chance of getting into public FCF spot as I do
getting into a FCFS whitelist spot Jesus these acronyms are killing me if you're
gonna have a whitelist no FCFS whitelist slots don't all over allocate seems like a
pretty easy solution to a dumb problem public mints though it's fine okay well
we'll see coop from Avax over to you I think either way really said it pretty
well like if you're a game you don't want to piss off a ton of people that
might play your game later on if you're a PFP project great you just got your
community and all the people pissed off are just gonna move on probably but
you know this might be a shocker coming from the Avax account but stop
forcing people to do it on ETH and then you know they won't be as pissed
off about all the gas that they have to waste well said Connor from export that's
perfect I'm so glad you picked me straight off to coop there because I
was gonna say you know I'm pretty happy to be the bad cop tonight and say that
you know first come first movements are fine only if you you know allocate
correctly I minted blood loop on Avax the other day I think was Monday I can't
remember but it was super smooth really good experience I was there
control oring like Gorilla was saying but I didn't need to because it didn't
sell out that quickly you know we had some time even though I was like panicking
opening meta mask like miss clicking swearing it worked out fine but it
didn't really didn't really moon so I guess I've missed the the one and
only overworld mentor now you know there's gonna be no more besides Meiji
soon I do appreciate you bringing up blood loop I was gonna put a bow on
this one with blood loop if nobody brought it up but I would agree I actually was
hosting a Twitter space while the mint was happening then they had a delay and
it was a little bit chaotic but whenever it actually went to mints not only did
did I mint and there was no problem whatsoever I waited like 20 minutes and
then I remembered my brother had a whitelist too so I called him and I was
like yo you are you at your computer and he was like yeah I was like I'll
send you some avacs like quick like there's a hundred left or whatever it was
like 30 minutes later by the time he actually did it and he's still got one
too and if that's how you're doing your FCFS I'm totally a hundred percent cool
with it it's just I don't want to be doing a gas war where it's like first to
to pay the gas not first to actually show up to the building right a myth from
proof of play back to you I just think that like it's a there's like a lack
of innovation it's kind of lack of imagination if we're still doing first
come first serve in the future right like you know gas wars fine but you know
what's you know it's basically an auction if we're gonna do an auction just
do a real auction and get paid versus just burning ether right into the into
the void and so like I don't know we like truthfully like I'll take the
blame here you know we had a we had a raffle thing that was set up our do
it so we went up we ended up doing a first come first serve for our pirate
mint and it was it was the wrong decision right we ended up burning like
hundreds of thousands of dollars of gas and like I regret it to this day and so
like I don't know I just think that like there's so many better ways for us to go
about distributing these things and like you know if projects are doing it
that's just like their way of doing of getting their mint out quickly to me
that's just lazy and it's like not really respectful to the communities quick
reminder as we're getting into the later part of our show I got an operator
burning a hole in my pocket and I'm gonna give a couple more whitelists out
to people that are playing icy bingo take a screenshot of your updated bingo
cards and put them in the chat let's see where you guys are at I'm super
curious what's on their lambs I'll send it over to you brother all right so
maybe a little bit of a hot take but I think first come first serve is good the
problem is the execution and that's where it comes down to I'm glad Connor
brought up blood loop I was gonna bring that up as well so it actually didn't
even matter that it was on Avax right like in this case it was actually the
way they did it I mean it was the fact that it was on Avax meant it was cheap
to mint which was nice and I was with you Connor I was there at the like
refreshing and ready to go but I'll just take them as an example they had a
1k supply and they told everyone like hey we're giving out first come first
serve whitelists but we're only going to have it over allocated 30% me being me
who I've gone through so many of these minutes I didn't believe them I assumed
it would be way higher that's why I was ready to be there on mint time they
said just before the mint that it was only 11% over allocated I still didn't
believe this but it turns out it actually was and they it's the way they
did it and they did it right but if you do first come first serve you can
actually have spillover demand to secondary as well if it's only slightly
over allocated and it depends on the demand for the project then you're not
going to have a crazy gas where you might have elevated gas if you have it
like you know 20 30 percent over allocated whatever it is where people
have to pump gas a little bit if they're on eat but you don't
necessarily need to have this like crazy moment where you either need a
bot to win and that that's where I think it's read the mechanics and the way
it's delivered I do think the first come first serve shouldn't be the only way
that you mint and I'm a big advocate of two-phase whitelist mints so you have
one phase that's half your supply that's guaranteed that goes to you know your
diehard community the people who really believe in the project like you
actually you want those people to get a mint because they deserve it and
they've been around for like so long but by having a little bit of an
over allocated whitelist you get to a spillover demand secondary you can do a
few more collabs you can kind of pass out some more whitelists but just you
need to be accurate about how much you're over allocating but the problem
also is from the consumer standpoint is a lack of trust because we've been
burned so many times that people are lying about like over allocation
percentages it's only it's only ten percent those few people kind of ruin
it for everyone and I do like what I meant was saying about you know using
different systems or like depositing and then kind of raffling off to those
people I do think we can kind of innovate on it but I think this whole
narrative around first comfort like fuck first come first serve it's the devil
it's been basically ruined by a few people and ruining it for everyone
essentially but if it's done well it can actually be beneficial to the
project it's just unfortunately people get greedy sometimes I don't know and
they just kind of like hand them out and they try and just give out a bunch
of spots and they think it'll be better overall and a ton of people get burned
that's shit I'm not gonna deny that but I do think first come first served can
be executed well with a proper plan well said my co-host Jerry over to you
yeah I would say and my challenge we have two on chain maxi groups here I
would love to see one day you know something on chain that we can show how
over allocated a mint might be so that's my challenge to you guys but I
think you know it's I I'm actually a little bit like dub I kind of miss the
days of like PvP minting and it being like ruthless we were doing the
overworld watch party in wolves down everybody was like telling people that
they were pre setting their gas to and I was like damn like this didn't used to
be like this and 21 you know back in the day it was ruthless dude and I
kind of liked that my heart has never raced so much you know just like
trying to mint something that was like a high-ticket mint so I kind of you
know I'm from those days I really like that but you know I see why that's
inefficient and why that's not good for the space so I'm willing to say that
you know I think when I look at like the fuck first come first serve people when
I think of this from a creator standpoint and they should be saying
fuck first come first serve right because these groups are going these
projects are going to creators and saying hey activate your army right
activate your 20k impressions that you get per post activate this 200 person
you know space on gamified and and our way of thanking you for that we're not
gonna pay you we're not gonna give you a guarantees but we'll give you a fucking
chance at recouping that money that's absolute bullshit and like if you're
from the project side be better than that dude like be better to the space
than that that's fucking bullshit I'll say it to anybody again tell me who
you are and if you're thinking of doing that also are you shit right now and for
creators I say on that I haven't said this in a while I'm gonna say it I
usually say speak with your wallet I'm trying to get away from that phrase but
if you're a creator speak with your following and tell these people know
like it better to all band together as creators and say no to bullshit then to
say yes for a chance at first come first serve if people are gonna expect
you to be a cog in their marketing wheel then make them pay up with money to you
or make them pay up with a way to get you know benefit to you and your
community and if they're not willing to do that you don't want to be a part of
that that any part of that anyway well said Jerry you love to hear it I'm
actually I'm gonna do something I never do and first off shout out to Elisa again
for being the first one that I saw at least to say fuck first come first
serve kind of following what Jerry's saying here or mimicking what Jerry's
saying here with her actions but Jerry's been absolutely freaking crushing he's on
a heater today dude so I'm gonna give him one of the whitelist for RG bite with
revolving games I think you deserve it man I'll send it over to Doug from
shrapnel yeah like honestly I think this whole fuck first come first serve
wave is just people being bored and trying to find out what's gonna trend
and run on Twitter right now like I really just don't get it because it's
what we've been doing forever it works just fine like and I really don't agree
with the sentiment here and like one example I have is imagine if the the
Super Bowl commercial from Gabe was the first come first serve man after you scan
the QR code like that shit would have went viral and people would have been
like awesome if they got the first 100 the first a thousand or whatever and they
would have been stoked on it and I think it is like still a fine thing and at the
end of day it's the same reason why everyone's tweeting about power world
right now we just don't have a lot of stuff to talk about and people are just
finding what's gonna go viral and just trying to tweet it out and frankly I
think it's just like a wash comp like topic that we're not even gonna be
referencing in a couple months I made it back to you yeah I mean I I kind of see
that point but I also think that like you know if you're leading a project
you're trying to you know we're building this industry together that we should
like you know lead with principles a little bit right and the idea of just
people just burning a bunch of money for for no reason to build hype for your
project it just doesn't seem like the sort of thing that you know at least
we'd want to do and so you know just to just kind of find a middle ground here you
know there was this idea of like multi-stage minutes like yes you can
over allocate yes more transparency I think is is called for but you can
even do something we're like okay we're gonna do tranches right it's still first
come first serve but you know it's not you just like you know spending tons of
extra gas right it's like okay I'm in the first tranche I'm in the second
tranche each tranche is out you know allocated you know 10% over and
essentially you have like the middle ground of like okay I still got to get
there I still got to be on time I have a small window I got to hit the button I
got hit the refresh you know all of those things still apply without all the
bullshit of just like burning a bunch of gas for no reason and so I think we
can have our cake and eat it too here thank you Amit for the love of God
somebody just give me some fucking like small groups of people let 75 people
fight over it at a time instead of 7,000 for the love of fucking God thank you
Amit Jesus let's over to you and then we'll put a crypto gorilla sorry that
struck a struck a nerd I just wanted to say you know Paul is not here so I
wanted to mention Nintendo and Knox not here so I wanted to mention RuneScape
and the Cabal says good luck on your bingo yeah I think I do things I wanted to
say I'll try to remember all three one of them was we have to ask ourselves why
does it exist first come for serve and it's cuz projects are they know that if
they don't mint out if they're not hyped and they don't mint out within like X
minutes the people are gonna undercut their floor and they're they're just
gonna go to zero they're not gonna mint anymore so they they do this so
to create this FOMO so everybody mints and you barely have time to check what the
secondary market is and then you just mint so I think the same people
complaining or a lot of people complaining about you know not being
able to mint because the first come first serve they're probably not gonna
mint if it's not flippable anyways like we have to be realistic on both sides
why are projects doing this and let's not just pretend like I really wanted
to join your community and then it goes under mint price and you're not
buying like if you want to join them in community you know you have your chance
to buy in but we don't we're all here to make money the second thing I want to say
was on the Gabe Super Bowl wasn't that first come first serve I scan the code I
was able to mint it but most people I know they just got sent to like Gabe's
Twitter so I think it was first come first serve but because they went to
like his Twitter a lot of people were pissed and the third point I wanted to
I was on the payments for like saying hey for creators don't accept first come
first serve or ask for money or whatever the one that I've been getting lately is
when projects like oh we're working with a lot of creators our budgets kind of
tight but you know we would love for you to make contest for a content for us
and in exchange we'll let you give us money in our KOL round so I'm like oh
so I could I could do marketing for you and give you money that you're gonna
lock up for 24 months with a six-month cliff what a deal bro the KOL rounds
have been going hard lately and killing me every time also on on the Gabe Layton
Super Bowl commercial mints I was one of those who got sent to the Gabe's Twitter
and I was dumbfounded especially because I was with my my fiance's family who
was a bunch of ranchers who live in Northern California and they're all
rednecks and they wouldn't know a blockchain if it hit them in the face
and they were like what the fuck is this stupid shit you've been telling me about
it literally just took me to a Twitter account for some rich dude it was it was a
mind-boggling experience fresco okay Jerry oh sorry just on the Super Bowl
thing like I meant like if it was like unlimited and truly everyone reached it
and everything without that cuz I I even forgot cuz all I had was his Twitter
too and also Sam my family are farmers at NorCal so apparently we got a
family war going on in Northern California that we need to take a look
dude squad up I'll see you at the reunion brother not a lot of forks in that
family tree you know what I mean no put me in the same boat though I was
telling everybody I was like dude I'm waiting for this commercial and then I
did and we scanned it and it's Gabe's like smiley face and I was like God
this fucking guy's been engagement farming for six months he just did it
to me again it was also hilarious though yeah and I would say you know
Gorilla like and that's where our creators you guys need to all band
together and just be like hey we're not doing this anymore right cuz like that's
bullshit that they're asking you guys to do like yeah free marking and then be
like hey you want to throw a $10,000 ticket at us so you guys all need to be
banding together right as people who are K Wells last thing I would say
another again sir very quick show us at major you're doing a man but we've
heard all this guys you'll be happy with us all right cinjin the man behind
major that's that's not good I have the tourists killed him I think he got killed
in McDonald's is he flatlining right now the double fillet of fish is hitting
hard that like cinjin you might have to leave the space and come back from
there we're getting some some weird feet back I hope I hope you're okay if
you're not looking at the emojis though don't worry he's he's you've made a
laughing face so I'm trusting that he's still in good health
Jaikins in the comments says fuck first come first serve programmatically
whitelist based on on chain reputation is what blockchain was created for we
should capitalize on that technology and incentivize on chain reputation and
networking he also has a GL H efforts as his PFP so big shout out to those guys
for at least trying something very unique I appreciate that a lot we'll see
if cinjin can read join us before we move on to the last topic he was he was
the last person I was waiting for he's coming back he's coming back here he
comes here he comes guys it's totally gonna be worth the wait all of us are
gonna love it if there's gonna be zero tourism groups it's gonna be amazing
stuff don't worry don't worry coop you had your hand up for a little while and
went back down to anything else to add on this while we wait for cinjin no I
think it passed all right fuck me all right we're gonna move on
cinjin's back cinjin can you hear us are you alive
cinjin senpai please save me from this awkwardness I think his phone has just
all right we don't like we move on over under I want you guys to answer over
under on the following statement I've had genuine fun while playing five web
three games bonus points if you give people recommendations also bonus points
if you tell us what to avoid if you want to get spicy with it but over
under I have had genuine fun not made money not not gotten an adrenaline rush
from the marketplace I've had genuine fun playing five with three games dubbed
from shrapnel over to you first I've had genuine fun playing over a hundred
different web three games and I still stand by that I mean from play busheed
phantom galaxies wildcard fuck you name it I mean I guess I should name more EV
IO blood loop when I got to play that you know there there's five for you to
hit my requirement but I mean like I didn't just suffer through the three
hundred games that I played I actually did enjoy playing them and I have a low
tolerance for fun so that that's why it dub is what we call a glutton for
punishment but I do appreciate that if a hundred out of 300 were fun that puts us
at a 30% hit rate 33% you love to hear it Koop from a Vax your thoughts
definitely over at least ten at least ten fun games that I've enjoyed and two
really recently that I don't think are very available but I'm just bullish on
the fact that more and more fun games are coming two of them were dead X was
like super I'd never even heard of it really fun entertaining loop and then
there's a pirate MOBA out there and I forget their name but that game is a
lot of fun to golden ties yes I gotta give a shout out to pirate nation as
well I got to play in their holiday tournament like two days before
Christmas and actually had a really really good time I also want to shout out
Meiji of course I would have had fun playing Meiji but Lemz is like one of the
best players in the world at Meiji and stomped me every single game and
prevented me from enjoying myself I don't think that's to blame the game
maybe we just need better matchmaking in the wolves now but you buddy you
just need to get good like I'm just trying to have you learn like come on
that's how it is and I'd say definitely over five I'm so probably in the like 10
to 20 range I would say games I've really really enjoyed and if anyone
follows me you'll know that I'm a bit of an oh baby carp maxi I was actually
checking my hours the other day and I got like over 200 hours in that game
already which is kind of insane for a web 3 game and parallel bornless
wild card champion dissension Meiji fable born like all really good games
you know shrapnel would make the list if I'd ever got a chance to play it it
kind of that that would have been a bit more fun to talk shit if I didn't know
there was an operator play test coming tomorrow and kind of like took the
wind out of my sails a little bit there cuz I wanted to just take a shot at
dub but yeah I think we're finally getting to that point where there are
genuine quality games that we can enjoy that we'll be able to show our
traditional gamer friends and get them to play it and they'll actually have a
good time and it's not just because it's web 3 and has some NFTs or tokens or
whatever some really great comments I see says I've definitely had fun playing
more than five web 3 games but some of the time it was definitely because I
was playing with friends AK says basically every web 3 game I've played
has been quote okay it's looking decent good for my bags that it's not a pile
of shit and then AE says I've had genuine fun playing space nation phantom
galaxies guild of guardians and storm warfare guild of guardians I saw some
gameplay the other day actually got pretty excited I want to check that one out
Jerry tagging you in yeah I think that we're beating up on I think it's time
to stop beating up on like the web 3d like gaming project I think I've had
fun with like way more than five you know block Lords has been great
parallels been awesome I'm gonna have a blast playing shrapnel tomorrow already
know I had and I had fun with our fortnight map so double there's there's
a lot of cool games they're just not feature complete yet right but you know
I think pretty much there hasn't been a lot of games I've played around like
this just sucks right they all have potential and we just need to let them
you know build and I think this year is gonna be the year where like we can
definitively say whether a project sucks or whether it's good but I think a
lot of them are looking really good that's a great point Jerry and I would
say the amount of like very early pre-alpha games I had played before I
entered web 3 was like two or three and so sometimes we take our expectations of
games that had triple-a releases and all this crazy amount of testing and
etc etc huge budgets and assign that same sort of value to what we expect these
web 3 games to be and many of them are still in super early alpha either way
from influence over to you yeah I mean I've definitely played more than five
that I've enjoyed one thing though I definitely want to say this like I'm
really excited to see games that are super niche specific coming out of the
woodwork and just being really good one of my favorites to call out is a game
called primordium which is just a fully on-chain game that keeps iterating and
it's just really cool it's a factorial type game if you guys know of that and
it's just very different than like the traditional web 3 game that most people
like make a mobile game that billions of people will play also parallel I'm just a
huge card fan massive massive fan there and I haven't played wild card shrapnel
or meji but those three are on my top list so a dub Jerry singin and you know
please hear me wild card team I would love to play we can definitely make that
one happen a myth from proof of play over under five web 3 games that you've
genuinely enjoyed I mean there's a bunch out there right but what I
actually want to say that I thought the comment earlier about letting teams cook
is really really really important I mean if you look at I mean the way to
think about web 3 game right now is everyone here is bond to a bunch of
kickstarters and I don't know how many early access or kickstart games you've
played but like they're not they're not there right I mean even fortnight you
know save the world you guys are basically getting the equivalent of
like you know gaming dailies and so it's just like and but if you look the
teams behind these things like wild card you know I Paul Bettner the guy
who runs that company made words with friends before that he worked on Age
of Empires right like from on our team we have folks who worked on you know
everything from triple-a games to some of the biggest mobile games half our
teams you know starting to come from riot now and they work that league like
you know it's just like people these people know how to make games it's just
that games take a while to build they take a while to cook and I thought
what ether said earlier about kind of niche project is really interesting I
mean we're fully on chain to like you know very similar technology to
primordium but you know we do look more like a mobile game but something that
is really interesting and I'm hoping that we start to see this year is you
know why web 3 right not just let's replace our credit cards with NFTs and
like they people bunch jump through a bunch of hoops or play the game and pay
us a lot more money to do it like why should people watch these games
actually use the blockchain and you know primordium is a really cool a cool
example you know we're starting to stuff where you know we have like
player-run businesses I think wolf game if I were to look at something and
point to a game that like you know really is was pushing the boundaries or
is pushing the boundaries wolf game is I think a really good example of this
just the stuff they were doing where the game itself is not the game it's
about the outer game the meta game that happens around the game and so
like for us you know I think for web 3 games and then when we start judging web
3 games we start looking at from lens of like what is this doing that could not
be done in game before house is moving to stay the industry forward right and I
think it starts with looking at these things as two types of games the inner
game which is the game you're interacting with itself and then the
outer game is happening on discord on open sea on spaces and that's where I
think you could you'll start to get a lot more gameplay into this
fantastic stuff a minute I couldn't agree more man we're gonna move on to our very
last topic of the day we got big deal little deal no deal I'm about to rattle
off a bunch of numbers I apologize in advance try your best to stick with me
as of September 2023 the PlayStation Network had approximately 107 million
monthly active users which was a decrease from 112 million active users in
December 2022 but recently PlayStation broke a platform record in December
2023 after attracting 123 million monthly active users and the PlayStation 5 just
topped 50 million lifetime sales PS Plus subscribers have remained relatively flat
since 2020 at around 47 million it's basically like a up down up down but
it's it's always hovering right around that number some people have been
saying that console gaming is in a downtrend and they think that this is the
end of console it's gonna slow drip to zero while mobile phones and PCs get
better and better and cheaper and cheaper the PlayStation numbers are off the
charts big deal little deal no deal how do we feel about the future of console
gaming where are we going from here dealt from shrapnel the hand was up
first yeah I mean I think it's a little deal because it's PlayStation and no
one really cares about that console as a whole I mean as we as we said the
GameCube is superior in all things and you know like as long as the GameCube
is doing well it sounds like everyone's gonna be happy but in also your
seriousness I think it's just the way the markets going and and we're gonna
see PC console and mobile taking more market share as those products become
more and more accessible to the masses because console just like had initially
like owned that accessibility for gaming by a PC has been slowly carving away at
that as time has gone on so I'm definitely looking forward to in the
future dancing on the grave of PlayStation as I've always done being
the Xbox and Nintendo maxi that I am amazing amazing coming the amount of
thumbs down that I'm seeing too tells me it was perfect
Connor from exploring at the end up next yeah I'm a huge PlayStation fan I've
had the two three four and now I have the five next to me like bought it when you
know you couldn't really get supply for it especially in South Africa and paid
like five hundred dollars that was like a few good years ago now never had any
problems with it you know I can play competitive games at a really really
high level and then also all the story games that come out you know the
God of Wars whenever you know that really high you know level of graphics so
I can understand why it's like go-to choice for I don't know how many you
said like a hundred hundred and thirty hundred twenty seven million players and
yeah I'll be a PlayStation maxi always all right Connor says console gaming is
here to stay either way from influence what say you yeah I'll just
say that it's the IP not the the console you know we have tribal love for these
consoles whether it's GameCube or PlayStation whatever it is and as we get
further in time it's gonna be more and more likely that we have one device to
rule them all and you just dock them on something or you put it on your face
like the vision Pro and it's just gonna be a publisher house or you know a firm
that really really really strongly pushes a narrative and certain types of
games I I mean I love consoles I just think that the the tech behind a console
is you know soon going to become you know more or less obsolete like maybe
it's just a GPU that you dock your phone to and then you have access to the
PlayStation games that you're paying a subscription for all right well said
lambs by co-host over to you bro I'm gonna say it's a little deal and
Connor you're like my respect for you just went way up like like you crush most
of these panel cuz like you usually have to deal with a bunch of Nintendo maxis on
here and I think same Jim's the only one who will be in my corner on the
PlayStation and I've always been a PlayStation fan I think as much as yeah
people are like building PCs and stuff like that the barrier to entry is a
lot higher like yes a PC will be better like in terms of like what you can
build and I won't deny that you can build something better but it usually
costs a lot more like the accessibility of a console and they usually have a
pretty good lifespan and then on top of that the PlayStation has so many
exclusives it's like they realized you know probably a decade ago that they
needed to lean into the IP and started building like some pretty good
exclusive games that made people want to buy a PlayStation just to have those
games so I don't think the PlayStation is really going anywhere kind of ties
into either way's point about like IP I think it's a really interesting idea of
like maybe you know you just have like a Sony subscription and that gets you
access to the PlayStation game when you plug your phone into something and but
yeah I think PlayStation are coming out ahead and in the console wars between
like Xbox that's kind of I feel like that's kind of said and done all the
Xbox players have basically just migrated to PC and then Sony's still
going so yeah like too many good exclusives and IP on PlayStation they
realized that early and I think they got ahead of the curve until like it took a
lot longer for other people to realize that got to give a shout out Dante in the
comments he finally won gamified bingo somebody did it they put it together
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everybody Jerry what you got man yeah big-time home run there Dante I can say
it now I would console is I don't think it's ever gonna go anywhere I think it's
a very good entry point for people into gaming when you talked about those
numbers I can't help but think of fortnight launching a ton of different
activations and you know the last part of last year and that being a massive
boost to like player retention and being this big boon for like MAU and DAU and
seven-day retention and all these things right I think a lot of that is
directly attributed to fortnight but I think consoles are never gonna go
anywhere because like you know if I had a 12 year old kid which please don't
all I want in life is a peanut butter I guess I I don't want them on a PC
gaming I want them to have the experiences I did in Wow and like the
deep-run tram you know it's a lot of things happen in that tram you know so I
think console always be there but I do think it's just a stepping stone for
most people in their gaming journey and you know PC master race baby
thinking you in yeah I hope you guys can hear me now sorry but anyways yeah I
echo what you know fresco saying and Connor and limbs and you know PS for the
win obviously dub you just I don't know I love you brother but sometimes but you
know my kids and their friends all started on console and so you know when
they started getting to PC gaming their parents would call me and they'd say
you know syndrome what kind of PC should we buy for our son to get into PC
gaming and so with the console though I mean I think you know the performance
and the ease of use and the accessibility and whether it's the
subscriptions or whatever like that they're definitely gonna be here to say
so it's a nothing burger but I think the experience on a console is very
different than that on a on a PC that a PC is really more advanced form of by
gaming with the mouse and the keyboard I mean it's funny cuz the kids will be
playing like fortnight with a controller with the auto assist and you know my
son will kick the shit out of them with the mouse and keyboard and they'd be
like that's not fair and once they actually get into it they're like wow
this is a much better gaming experience it's so much more intense
but you know for you know we talk about like casual games and stuff like this or
even like the fighting games like there's nothing better than playing like
Street Fighter 5 on like a console or these kind of games so I'll just leave
it at that before the announcement overtakes me Mark my freaking words here
that the moment that Apple or Microsoft make a gaming PC that is
packaged and sold like a console and is that a at a similar price point it's
freaking game over even if the player starts in a console eventually leads to
them being on a gaming PC so as soon as we just skip that it's GG's for the
rest of them especially PlayStation lambs I see the hand up and then either way
all right so tell me how are those people gonna play God of War the last of us on
charges let me list like many of the different PlayStation exclusives it
comes back to the IP point that he threw in a like Sony was just like ahead of
the game there I feel like we see it with streaming services now like videos
they're trying to make original content to keep people on their platform Sony
like figure that out ten years ago and there's so much strong IP spider-man
again another one like the list goes on and on too many good things on
PlayStation this exclusive is wild bro either way over to you yeah I mean it's
just funny we're you know a panel of web 3 founders and builders and creators
whatever whatever we are and like the whole real reason I think to be in web
3 is like ultimately accessibility is greatly increased and we can build these
like player-driven communities so browser-based games period like just if
you're not doing that long-term you know sure the tech isn't the best
comparative to consoles at this time but if it were today as good as every others
like why wouldn't you just have an internet address to like go to your game
like why do I have to be a PC master race or a PlayStation master race like
can I just be a game maxi well Stevia tried it you know burn down and crashed
in flames yeah a quick argument to the IP is just take a look at what happened
with streaming and the contest their Netflix banked on their house of IP
being the reason why everyone would always go to Netflix and now we see
plenty of service providers elsewhere if you don't think the same thing is that
gonna happen to gaming then you don't understand how media works as a whole so
good luck with that Connor yeah I was putting thumbs down have you ever played
like God of War Ragnarok on a PS5 it's the most beautiful thing ever and it's
the PS5 is so cheap compared to like a hectic gaming PC which is probably better
it's definitely better like a you know 4090 is definitely better than a PS5
but it's also five times the price and you can just like yeah browser games it's
just not gonna it's just not gonna cut it for me I'm sorry I don't have all the
time in the world to play games and when I do I want it to be beautiful and
amazing experience and on top of that you're not gonna magically find
yourself with a virus enough to do tech support for 14 hours on a PlayStation 5
which many of us is are seeking that experience and as we lower our weapons
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same time and the same place see that's why I don't do things off the cuff man I
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sudden and I just want to give a huge shout out to our amazing panel coop
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hundred web three games can you imagine putting yourself through that level of
torture I'm not talking 2024 web three games I'm talking like 2022 whenever these
things were fresh out the box dude huge shout out for everything that you
do huge shout out to shrapnel crypto gorilla absolutely crushing it dude I'm
still buzzing from the first time you chimed in on the the Nike topic I
thought you were incredible on that huge shout out for joining us sin chin
fighting through the crowds of tourists man what a what an absolute
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appreciate you every single week either way finally got that coveted gamified
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helping us on board the masses into web 3 so huge shout out for that big thank
you for leading the way and of course Jerry no longer fresco but Jerry from my
angry kuza girlfriend appreciate you man you absolutely crushed it so hard
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join us same time same place next week is gonna be a ton of fun episode
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