I just got confirmation on what's definitely going to be
the single best thing that happens at the wolves den
for all of GDC, maybe actually, it'll be Monday night.
And if you're not there, then I don't know
what to tell you guys, but it's not about that.
The announcements will come later,
but it does involve Koji and Sinjin
and I'm ecstatic about it.
Is there going to be a sing off?
Is it going to be like a Glee night?
You know, I heard both of them have voices of gods.
I don't know how Sinjin sings, but Koji is just a muse.
I mean, listening to that guy sing was like,
I felt like I was at a concert.
I would take the silence as a yes, Fresco.
I mean, Jerry, I can't sing at a rebrand.
Yeah, first of all, respect the rebrand.
Second of all, as tough and as gruff as you guys
think that Sinjin is, when he sings, I mean, women weep.
That's, first of all, to you, Wild Paul.
That's Young Gerald, all right?
I heard you some small, short, scrawny dude.
Sounds just like this other guy that I kind of like,
It's only been a year of us doing this together.
But I mean, it's a kind of.
Speaking of my voice, Sinjin, though, congratulations,
Sinjin on that black guard heads up.
Boy, that was the most unpredictable thing ever.
Yeah, Sinjin, I'm stoked you could
find 88 people that are still minting NFTs.
That was an accomplishment.
Yeah, maybe they kind of like us, huh, Paul?
That was the most obvious thing ever, what was going to happen.
And I just watched it happen.
I was like, yep, of course.
Explaining to my wife what I was doing while I was engaging
with that, and that art was pretty fun, though.
I was like, hey, it's web three, baby.
I know I say that most weeks, but today it is definitely
Real quick, anybody that's in the audience, love you guys
Anybody that says their favorite intro that's coming up
is going to be getting a chance to win a Hytopia node
I'm stoked to be able to give a bunch of those out.
And I'm also going to give it to somebody
that retweets the space in the first 15 minutes.
We're just going to, we got a lot of giveaways.
We got some stuff to burn through,
so we're going to make sure that those go to well-deserving
But up first, buckle up for a high-speed ride
into the future with the man who leaped from the safety of web
two into the electrifying unknown of web three.
He's not just a visionary.
He's a revolution on four legs, a trailblazer
in the terra incognito of tech.
He's so good at Dump Date, Mary.
I've heard he's being recruited by Tinder grinder
and Christian Mingle, representing
the cutting-edge eath lizards.
It was rewriting the rules of gaming infrastructure.
He's got the insight of a seer and the daring of a pioneer.
Welcome back to the panel, the champion of choice, the CEO.
Look, you already dropped some of the alpha.
Christian Mingle, absolutely sponsor of eath lizards
Biggest surprise in the sector.
I'm here to announce today.
Now, in all seriousness, pleasure to be back.
It's been way too long since I was
able to join you all on the stage.
And I kind of like you guys, too, a lot.
Great to have you back, man.
And let me know whenever Christian Mingle needs
some new content creators.
Seamlessly sinking strategy with scorching skirmishes,
he's transformed the terrain of the first-person frontier,
firing up fans and fueling frenzied firefights
and guiding this game with the gravitas
garnered from governing a grand $100 million
budget with Twitch Prime.
His marksmanship in marketing is as masterful
Every bullet, blast, and ballistic in his arsenal
aligns with his audacious ambition.
But beyond the blazes and barrage at day's dusk,
he descends into the delightful duty of a dad,
delicately doting on his darling daughter Hazel,
step aside, soldiers, and salute the supreme shrapnel
sharpshooter is the FPS phenom, the combat connoisseur
representing shrapnel is Tony V.
Let's go, game of fight number 5201 here in the making.
Did you see the rocks thing?
Dude, if Tony ever retires from doing stuff that's way cooler
than what I'm about to say, he should become a radio show host,
You just let me know, Tony.
I'll pull some strings, bud.
I got a face for radio, baby.
And get ready to welcome the Sultan of Spirited Squabbles.
He's a marathon man gracing our stage for the 42nd time.
He's the human equivalent of that twist
in your favorite TV show, a connoisseur of controversy,
He's the man who could argue that water isn't wet
and almost convince you, unless it's raid boss,
where he'll make 10 baseball analogies
and then complain that Sinjin is cheating.
You know him, you love him, and even if you don't,
you can't help but listen to him.
Give it up for the one, the only, the incomparable,
the irreplaceable, the mastermind
with the Midas touch, is Jerry.
Yeah, I'm actually on the feet of that raid boss.
Well, I'm like four and one in raid boss.
Sinjin just yells at everybody,
but I'm happy to be here.
Congrats to Sam and Lem's on one year, man.
I mean, it was one of my favorite things,
and I love you guys, so congratulations, man.
I know we always roast each other,
but dude, I've been in nostalgic vibes
for like 72 consecutive hours,
and nobody can take me off of this all-time high
of nostalgia that I'm experiencing right now.
Up next in the ever-evolving landscape of gaming
where artificial intelligence
meets the immutable certainty of blockchain,
he stands at the forefront of Vanguard,
As the head of game design at Parallel Studios,
he's woven a world where sci-fi isn't just genre,
but a reality where NFTs aren't mere tokens,
but totems living and breathing in a digital ecosystem.
With AI as the pulse and NFTs as the vessel,
Parallel's colony is an eternal game where,
here in every simulation,
items bear the weight of on-chain significance.
So welcome back to the panel, the harbinger of harmony,
the crusader of the cards, the sentinel of symmetry,
Thanks for having me on yet again.
and I share a lot of spaces with Shrapnel.
It's good to be back here with Tony, man.
I love all you guys equally,
but I'm happy to hear Tony's voice again.
That's gonna bode so well for the future.
In like an hour and 45 minutes,
we're gonna do a call back to this exact moment.
But first, in a world cluttered with conformity,
he strides forth with a blunt blade of honesty,
slicing through pretense with his controversial takes.
A hero to some, a herald of havoc to others,
he wields words like a warrior,
unafraid to cut to the heart of the matter.
Once an executive titan towering over the corporate colossus,
he now forges new legends in the gaming galaxy
with my angry Yakuza girlfriend,
blending the thrill of gaming with the allure of the casino,
creating a realm where risk meets romance.
Ladies and gentlemen, gather round
as we summon from the myths, the myth, the legend,
a figure both revered and feared,
the enigmatic, the elusive Titan of Taboo at Shenzhen.
I am a hammer and you are all my fucking nails.
But I am here and I'm here in Manila and it's a 509.
And so I think I get the record
for the most diverse places.
I think I've done Gamma Fighting, Korea,
Singapore, Bangkok, New York.
And I think I did it one time
when I was in Switzerland as well.
So this has been a fantastic experience
and Sam, you've been a fantastic host
and every one of these intros and every one of these shows
and hanging out with, of course,
Knock, Wild Paul, Anamucitas, Peyton, you know,
Tony, Koji and everyone else.
And Brian, it's been fantastic.
Did you just name everyone Butt Jerry?
Dude, that was crazy, bro.
That was amazing, actually.
That was better than any intro
that I could have had for Jerry.
Damn, I should have just done that.
47 consecutive episodes from that lad.
Can you freaking believe it
from so many different time zones?
What an absolute monster.
Listeners, blend your ears for the legend
we're about to introduce as a juggernaut
who journeyed from joysticks to judgments,
from cutthroat competitions,
he carved a path creating champions
and crafting high caliber creators
with 11 and sore esports.
Now at Magic Eden, he meticulously manages
and molds the marketplace,
making it the magnet for many in the metaverse,
symbolizing the summit of polygons prowess.
Actually, I should change that to be like
everybody's prowess now that you guys
are so fucking chain agnostic, congrats.
With every discourse he dazzles
by dissecting discussions with a deafness
that is distinctly his domain.
So welcome back to the panel,
the emperor of esports, the maven of Magic Eden.
Yo, Game of 552 is off to a really weird start.
I've been on three separate walks
in three very different parts of the city today.
And I've seen the same man and his dog.
I don't know if I'm following him
or if he's following me, but we're here for it.
Time is a flat circle, Nok.
Be careful out there, dude.
There's some serious Matrix deja vu shit happening.
Positioned at the pinnacle of play,
he personifies the pure power of pioneering spirit.
A prodigy who propelled age of empires to popularity,
this paragon of pixel perfection pivoted
to plant his prowess in the panorama of mobile marvels,
producing the phenomenon words with friends.
he parried and prevailed persuading Zynga with his pitch,
propelling the price from a mere pittance of $20 million
to a prolific payout of $180 million.
Now, as Wildcard waits in the wings,
this patriarch of programming prepares to plunge
into the potential packed province of Web 3,
promising another pioneering project.
Proud Papa, the trio of progeny,
he pairs his paternal instincts with the professional,
proving that the principles of parenting and pioneering
can indeed prosper in parallel.
So prepare to pay homage to the potentate of play,
the prolific, the polite, the polished,
it's the peerless paramount Paul Bettner.
Sam, Sam, I have to take this moment
to express my deepest appreciation to you,
to the incredible people that you've brought on this panel
over the last year that have truly, for me,
Like, every time that I'm like, am I in the right place?
Am I, you know, is Web 3 where we need to be,
where we can do the best work?
I come on Gamified and I'm reminded, I'm taught,
I am surrounded by the brilliant, lovely folks
that you've brought on the show and the audience
and the folks here that's supporting the work
I just, this for me has become the rock
that I have been building Wildcard on top of
and Web 3, our integration, our work there.
I just, I'm really, really grateful for the show,
I can't wait for the next year.
Thanks for having me again.
It is always an absolute pleasure, my brother.
I can't thank you enough for giving us your time.
I know I say it often, but it really means the world to me.
And before I get emotional, crank up the charisma
and cue the kudos for this next panelist
who crafts killer content and is conquering social media.
This man has miraculously multiplied followers
for not just one, not just two,
but five social media accounts in the past couple of years.
As the Herculean head honcho of gaming growth at Avalanche,
he's transformed them into an Arctic Titan,
a behemoth in the blizzard of blockchain
and a social media savvy individual.
Cast your minds back to 2019 when this captain of clicks
clinched the coveted crown of search engine marketer
He's not just playing the game of socials.
He's a one man orchestra and a Titan of tweets.
Commence the applause and prepare to be captivated
for here comes the digital dynamite,
the commander of content.
Happy we're sponsoring now.
I know we weren't here for the full 52,
but, you know, I think we did a little bit of our part.
You absolutely did, Coop.
I appreciate you, brother.
And I got a little ditty for you guys a little bit later as well.
At the helm of the rules, Dal,
this man is woven a web of inclusive exclusivity,
creating a haven for like-minded visionaries
capped at 300 members with no way to buy your way in.
It's truly a unique place in web three gaming.
Of course, I'm talking about the wolves, Dal.
And as the marketing director for champions ascension,
he's taken in a Rita battler and catapulted it
to the web two spotlight by making it now available on Steam.
Yet beyond the bits and bytes,
this benevolent mentor ever eager to enlighten
the members of his pack and a doting father
whose heart knows no bounds.
Please welcome back to the panel,
the patron of poachers, the curator of canons.
Let's get it, dude, 52 weeks.
Also a disclaimer, me and Icy are match commenting,
which means that every single comment you put in,
me and Icy, we'll put in two.
We're getting to a thousand today.
If only my 401k worked that same way, dude,
we would be so whatever the inverse of down bad is.
This next individual is no ordinary.
He's the epitome of intelligence,
a paragon of proficiency,
yet as humble as the gentlest sheeps in wolves clothing
with king of destiny hitting the market,
he's poised on the precipice of greatness,
ready to catapult the world of web three gaming
into stratospheric success,
but it's not just his professional prowess
No, it's his ability to uplift and to inspire.
He speaks and the room lights up.
He advises and strategies soar.
So brace yourself for an infusion of inspiration
Here comes the humble hero of high hopes,
the most handsome man in web three.
Oh, my man, Sam, you're too kind.
Thank you, thank you for having me back.
Always great to be here with you legends and titans.
I have to congratulate you.
Doing anything for 52 weeks in web three
feels like a heroic effort.
You are one in a million,
but to be here week in and week out
through sickness and health is truly unprecedented.
I gotta give a shout out, of course, to the LEMs too,
and having GDC coming up soon is kind of trippy
because I met so many of you guys at GDC for the first time.
Brian DeSanto, me and Fresco or Jerry,
I think Sin Jin, Knock, Wild Paul, Koji, like all of us,
we might've talked on the internet before,
but that was the first meeting ground.
So again, just so much nostalgia happening
in these couple of weeks.
I can't wait to see you guys in March.
And I want to give a shout out real quick to Tony as well.
Tony with an H, of course,
I love T-Valk on the stage with us
behind the shrapnel account, but Tony with an H,
because he's super behind the scenes,
but I wrote him an intro for episode one,
and I wanted to share it just to give people
a little bit of context of how bad the intro used to be,
and give a shout out to Tony
because he actually helped conceptualize Gamified.
He was super supportive the first few weeks.
He had some issues in his personal life,
so then he kind of bowed out,
but I just feel so much appreciation for him.
So his original intro was Neo Tokyo,
My Pet Hooligan, Collider Craft, and Wolf's Dow.
We get it, bro, you're cooler than us.
And that was the entire intro.
So we've come a long way, we've come a long way,
but big shout out to Tony, man.
I appreciate you, brother.
Hope you're doing well out there.
And ladies and gentlemen,
lend your ear to the linchpin of our lively lexicon,
the littlest luminary with the loftiest of lore.
When our dialogue lingers,
he lays down the law, lighting the lamp that leaves us,
weighing in at 2.4 pounds.
Let's laud the liaison, the lightweight with the lion heart
for the 52nd consecutive week in a row.
It's the little lizard legends, lands.
GMGM, can't believe it is 52 weeks in a row.
I remember you saying you want this to be the biggest space
in web3 gaming, or maybe it was Gamefire back then,
as you showed that screenshot.
That's what we all called it last year,
but now we've moved on from that term.
But here we are, and the vision has come true.
With you by my side, was it possible?
And of course, these guys as well.
Arden admires an audacious gamers,
blockchain believers, and digital daydreamers
assemble for the arrival of another amazing episode
But before we brave this breathtaking binary byway,
let the claim and adore Avalanche,
the awe-inspiring, authoritative,
and absolute anchor of our astronomical adventure,
the official blockchain of Game of Five.
Avalanche and its astounding ascent audaciously alters
and amplifies the arcane intricacies of this ledger
into an articulate, accessible atlas
of astounding possibilities.
It's a monumental marvel of innovation
and a relentless, roaring river
of daring, dynamic developments.
Thank you to Avalanche for helping make 52 episodes
of Game of Five a possibility.
And lock and load, ladies and gentlemen,
and aim your sights as we zero in on our explosive,
another explosive endorser.
Shrapnel, the official game of Game of Five,
march into a minefield and prepare
for an artillery assault of adrenaline
in the explosive arena of Web3 Warfare
with this first-person shooter, Fiesta.
Navigate your way to shrapnel.com
and list your profile and launch a barrage of comments,
likes, and retweets for today's show
for a chance to win $50 extraction packs in Operator,
plus a cache of other valuable victories.
So gear up, gather your wits and weapons,
and get ready to grenade your way to glory.
And don't forget, on Friday,
they have another playtest coming up for Operator holders,
so I'm really excited for people to get in on that.
Peyton, the hand is up with them.
You missed an intro, brother.
For 52 weeks, I will try and attempt
to do one for my big brother right here.
So, the next speaker has broken all barriers
when it comes to content creation,
not only absolutely owning the dance niche on YouTube
for a decade and securing over 5 billion views
with his brother, only 4 billion being from his parents,
but it's absolutely revolutionized
how Twitter spaces are run on the platform,
making all other spaces inferior
and raising the standard of content creation
on the platform, making Web3 Gaming inevitable.
Previously at Iron Belly and Ethlizard,
CMO of Wolf's Down, and now full-time content creator,
congratulations, brother, you deserve it.
But sorry, ladies, he is now off the market
engaged to the love of his life
that stuck with him through the good and the bad.
Please give it up for the content creator
of the year of 2023, the voice of Web3 Gaming,
the host of Game of Five, Sam Stapleton.
He's speechless, speechless.
Yeah, you just rubbed yourself, Sam, you're muted.
I'm in samples, I don't know what to do.
I just wanted to say thank you so much, man.
I also wanna make sure we grab somebody
who said their favorite introduction in the comments,
make sure we hook them up with that whitelist
as well as somebody that retweeted.
So, Lemz, if you can grab that.
But we're gonna jump in with our very first topic.
We're starting off with Chads or Chumps.
Army of Fortune had some great news last week.
Vybit listed their coin, $3 million raised by Animoca,
airdrop coming down the pipeline.
It would be instantaneous, but instead be a 10% upfront.
And then I think it was a six month
and then a 12 month cliff or something.
Now they've changed it again.
So it's 0% upfront with a three month cliff
and then unlocked over 18 months.
And Army of Fortune has just absolutely bombed
My question for the panel, are these guys Chads
because they made a more sustainable long-term decision
and told everybody exactly how it would work?
Or are they Chumps because they didn't play the Web3 game
and potentially misled their audience?
There's a lot of tweets and threads and stuff going around
about things they may or may not have said in spaces
or in Discord, et cetera.
I just wanna remind everybody, this is not financial advice.
Please don't buy NFTs based on what we say.
Go get a financial advisor if you need that.
But I'm gonna send it over to Mr. Wild Paul
to kick us off on this one first.
I don't know, because I'm not in the room
where it's happening and where these guys
are making these decisions, but I have been in our own room
where we've had many, many similar conversations
about how we would handle such types of events
and such milestones on the project.
And I just wanted to say like, these things take,
I think when they're done right,
they take an insane amount of upfront planning.
And, you know, cause like a lot of these things
You only get to do them once forever.
You can't go back and change things.
That's like the sort of inherent nature of a blockchain
and the technologies we work with is like,
once you distribute and deploy certain aspects
of your project, whether it's a token, NFTs, et cetera,
That's the thing that the project now kind of lives with
And so what always surprises me in this case is like,
I know in our case, we will have months,
sometimes years of planning that are going into
the biggest web-free moments that are planned for wildcard.
And a lot of times these things,
when I see them play out sometimes for other projects,
it's like, did you guys not anticipate that?
Like, these things would have,
like if you'd done like a, you know, a decision tree,
like we talk about like, okay, what happens if this happens?
What happens if that happens?
Like these, a lot of these things can be seen
It's not entirely predictable, but I just, you know,
I would just like to see a little more,
some of these things seem seated the pants to me
and this one does have that kind of feeling to it as well.
And I would just love to have projects take these moments
a little more seriously, think them in advance,
be willing to delay, you know,
because I think that the community ultimately
just wants the project to get it right,
out of that planning as well.
So it's just a little disappointing to me.
Well said, I think Tony from Shrapnel had the hand up next.
Yeah, you know, I think that I feel a couple of ways
I agree with everything Paul said.
I think that planning is so important
and it feels like there wasn't a lot down here,
at least not the level of rigor that I would have
been excited about participating in what they did with.
I also know that it is really tough
to like look down the barrel of a set of decisions
that maybe you didn't make,
but now you're trying to work within
or circumstances you work within.
I do have a lot of sympathy for,
or empathy for that situation to be in.
I think that what I've observed as maybe the miss
has been the, like I feel like there's no reason
why those guys, whoever should be on this space
and fucking simplify it and like literally
like pounding the pavement.
And maybe they did reach out Sam,
you're like, I don't want you in my space as fuck here.
But if I were on that team, I would be just,
hitting everyone up and being like,
hey guys, listen, we had an event this week.
To Paul's point about planning,
I probably would have been doing this weeks ago.
I'm like, hey, we're going to have a thing.
We're going to announce it's going to be a big deal.
Crypto Twitter is going to fucking go ballistic.
And we'd like to make sure that we're able to be in front
of that and talking about it.
And so can we get on your show on this date?
We'll give you the outfit notes so you know what's going on.
Like it feels like that's the kind of motion
that I would expect for myself
and hope that I would have the wherewithal to put in place.
It's great learning as we all live
in this environment together.
But I think that's where I really,
I would have leaned in with like the right now kind
of always on communication being violently transparent
and defending the position that they took,
whether or not it was what you said,
like, hey, we made a hard decision
and sorry that you don't get as much money as you wanted.
Or hey, like we fucked up and probably said some stuff
that we shouldn't have and made you feel a certain way.
And I guess you probably can't say that
because everyone goes to jail.
But like, I would workshop that kind of message
and try to figure out how I can be in front of it constantly.
I just wanted to quickly jump on this.
Exactly what I'm talking about.
The advice that the perspective is all out there.
So many takes on this, like SparkC talking about,
like these things don't have to be a surprise for projects.
Like reach out to folks on this panel,
reach out to the wolves, reach out.
Like there are lots of people
that will candidly give your opinion.
They're informed opinion about how they think things
are gonna go before something happens.
And I just like, I just wanna see more projects
take advantage of the great voices out there
willing to help and inform these projects
before they kind of run into the problems.
And just quickly, I'm gonna give the retweet white list
for the Hytopia node to SoulHuckster in the comments.
And then 4K3 said his favorite intro was Peyton's for me.
And I wanted to give Peyton a mini shout out too
because that was awesome.
So we're giving it to 4K3, big shout out.
Make sure you guys DM Lems to get those white lists.
We'll make sure he takes care of it.
Brian DeSanto tagging you in.
Your thoughts on army of fortune.
Oh, and real quick, Paul, I can confirm.
And Tony, they did not reach out to me.
I've actually had them on many of my shows
and I love them and Coco and they haven't asked at all.
I mean, you have no choice but to label them chumps
because they are the first project I believe
in web three history that's gotten dingling
to sell literally anything.
If you're trying to work in web three
and launch a project here, please hire a DJEN
that you trust and knows the space
and understands the protocol.
I think this is a great example of trying to harness hype
and excitement and take over the cycle
but not setting expectations correctly.
SparkC had a fantastic post about this.
If they had been quiet about it
and decided to roll this out with vesting
and a small amount upfront, no problem.
But if you go down the path of we're gonna hype
We're gonna promise all of this value to holders.
We're gonna pump secondary pricing.
At best, that's ignorance.
At worst, it's completely nefarious
and it's completely intentionally misleading
your holders in the market.
So look, I get that this is hard.
I totally agree with Paul and Tony.
Launching tokens is so complex and so complicated
but I think if you had any ounce of foresight,
it was very obvious how this was going to play out.
My hope is that they missed on this
and it wasn't intentional.
Well said, going to Fresco next.
God damn it, Jerry, I'm still getting used to it.
Yeah, I think I agree wholeheartedly with Brian.
I had a take on this yesterday in the Wolves Dow Discord.
That take after seeing the announcements
that have come since then was probably wrong.
I do like that they're making a decision
that's probably gonna be better for them
But you can't just lean totally into Web3,
lean totally into the degeneracy that exists in this space.
Say all the things that they said
and then when the moment comes, be like,
oh, this is how we're gonna do it.
It's not the Web3 way whatsoever, right?
Because that's completely just misleading.
I like the team a lot but it's very obvious
that they're just missing a piece right now.
I think that piece is a Web3 native.
But then I sometimes doubt that
because they were doing so fucking good at it
up until the announcement.
They did everything right.
Everybody was so jazzed up and excited
about what these guys were doing.
And then they just fell flat on their face.
And I think that Brian put it the best.
Is at best it's ignorant,
but at worst they completely misled everybody.
And I don't know, man, there's a lot of smoke.
And you guys know my background, right?
Sometimes where there's smoke, there's a little bit of fire.
I see in the comments says a thousand percent agree.
He says a thousand percent agree with Paul, Tony, Brian.
It feels like the holders were misled
and let down big time, poor communication.
I'm gonna send it over to a knock next.
Yeah, maybe I'm scared and apprehensive to give this take
because I think it's gonna disagree
with a lot of the voices that have already spoken here.
But I think that there's a couple of things
that if you look at this objectively
is really difficult to get upset about.
At a high level, when we talk about the types of teams
that we wanna have in this space,
we tend to say things like,
we want teams who have real game dev experience,
We want teams who have real players,
i.e. the tune of millions of downloads
across their games and their ecosystem.
We want teams who understand social media,
i.e. a great Twitter presence
and multiple TikTok accounts
with literally millions of followers
across hundreds of millions of likes.
Better than pretty much everybody else in the space combined.
we want teams to find people who are Web3 native
to handle their go-to-market strategy.
And they work with a great team that a lot of us love,
a lot of the people in the space know them very closely.
And we talk great things about the team
and what they've done for previous launches.
So you go down the list of the things
that we wanna see in a Web3 team,
and they check off the box.
We've got real world experience.
We have a game, people play our game.
We have social media growth.
We know how to run a social campaign.
We created a shit ton of value
for people who are minted our assets.
And then you find out that your $1,600 that you got for free
wasn't $4,000 that you got for free,
or at least it wasn't $4,000 that you got for free
immediately, and everybody turns on them.
To me, I think it's a reminder of how difficult things are
for founders in this space,
because you can create a bunch of value.
You can make people a bunch of money,
but if you don't make them enough money,
you're public enemy number one.
And a lot of the things that people were frustrated with,
10% unlock, you're gonna have a 36 month cliff,
I mean, Jup is doing a 10% unlock every year
over the course of the next X number of years,
and people love the way that Jupiters handling their airdrop,
right, for people who are using their platform.
If you work in tech, if you work for any company,
your investing schedule is typically 36 to 48 months.
So now you've got a team who's built a great game,
who's done an excellent job of social,
they've deeply ingrained themselves in the ecosystem.
They're coming on spaces,
they're talking about the things that they're building,
and then they do something
that is a little more professional
than the DGen behavior we're used to,
and everybody rips them apart.
It's a little discouraging from my perspective,
and I think for the perspective of a lot of founders
who are thinking about doing something similar,
you're going to need teams who handle things
and create plans that are a blend of the web three ethos
and how actual businesses operate.
And from my perspective, was it a hit?
No, could they have done it better?
Was it a, let's burn this project to the ground
and banish them to the shadow realm?
I think it's disheartening
for people who are building in the space.
I don't love the idea that they're getting
the amount of shit that they're getting.
Well said, and big shout out to Naki.
He wasn't feeling well a couple of days ago,
but he's powering through to be here with us today, man.
Sinjin, tagging you in next.
What are your thoughts on AOFers, Chads or Chumps?
They were Chads who became Chumps, unfortunately.
And for people who are saying that they didn't know
what they were doing in terms of web three,
they, I know that they got the fucking best advice
they could have gone from,
the best narrative creators in web three.
I think the issue is a miscalculation here.
They went for it, they went for a free mint.
I think that they were assuming
they were gonna get a lot of volume on it.
But the fact of the matter is the raise ended up being
in terms of like the royalties,
I think only like something a little bit over 23K
And at the end of the day, they had to adjust.
I think that the team is solid,
but there's the real implications of going out there
and playing this web three game hardcore
and then seeing what the results are.
And the reality is that they could have doubled down.
They could have done exactly what the expectations were
and they would even fuck themselves even more.
And then they went to kind of really pivot.
But like you play this game
and it's a really sick double-edged sword in web three.
Cause if you hit it and you're hitting it
in this attention economy,
you know, there's no, there is this kind of formula for it,
but it's so fragile, right?
It's like you're playing like against this very
ethereal market and attention sentiment.
And then if you hit it, fuck,
you're a superstar and you fucking mint.
And if you don't, you're left with the implications
And I have to conclude that, man,
web three is like a psychotic demanding mistress
and she definitely isn't your Italian Goomba.
All right, we're going to give,
we're going to send it over to Koji next.
Yeah, I mean, I'm going to have to agree with,
oh my God, I can't even knock on this one.
Well, I was trying to remember who made the point
because I'm also typing an email at the same time.
Apologies, Sam, but I know, I know, doing work.
The one thing that web three founders should never do,
I think that, you know, to paraphrase Singin,
you can't iterate on an open economy,
you fuckheads or whatever.
Like it seems like in web three,
you can't iterate on shit, like period,
because otherwise people get pissed at you, you know?
And like, I get that like, you know,
they said one thing and then things change and whatever,
but we have to allow room for that to be the case
because we can't be the, you know,
corner of the internet that says, you know,
we're welcoming and people should iterate out in the open
and look at all these brave teams
doing all this crazy shit and showing us, you know,
And then when they make a change, be like, fuck you,
If you didn't, like, if you weren't sure,
you shouldn't have said anything, like,
so then you can't have your cake and eat it too.
In that case, like you got to choose one or the other.
And if you want, if you want to see how things work,
people change, decisions change.
And as long as it's in the best interest of the project
and not just the people who bought into the project now,
right, but the long-term sustainability of the project,
then you just got to like take what you got
and shut the fuck up, you know?
And I'm not speaking from experience here
because I love the parallel community.
I would never tell them to shut the fuck up,
but, you know, here we are.
Just tell other people's communities to shut the fuck up.
And then you kind of, you and Tony could trade.
You could tell a shrapnel people to shut up
and then we'll figure it out.
We'll figure out somewhere in there is a solution.
Real quick, anybody that comments, chat or chump,
I'm going to give them another Hytopia node whitelist.
Not everybody, but we'll pick somebody at the end of this segment.
Tons of hands to get through.
I want to move on shortly,
but I am going to work my way through the hands.
Lemz, what you got real quick?
I was going to say, we got a message from Paul there.
The boss has approved a WildPass giveaway.
So we'll be able to give away a WildPass on today's show
as well as all the other whitelists and operators.
So yeah, shout out, drop me a good comments in there
and we will get a WildPass out to someone.
And shout out to Wild Kate.
She's the boss in case you didn't know
and she's the one who approved this.
So I'm very happy, very, very pleased.
And just to express our gratitude for 52 weeks of Game of Five.
That means the world to me.
If you could just send her a follow-up text real quick
and check if hosts are eligible to win this giveaway,
I'm going back to Anamo Sitas.
Yeah, so, Koji, don't worry about the whole Knox thing.
He's probably playing RuneScape anyways.
He didn't notice the email.
That said, in general, I think the main point for founders here
has to be on expectation management.
And I'm probably more in the chump camp
than some of the other comments here.
In my opinion, you have a choice as a founder.
What's your position in your project for success?
Is it a very short-term, hardcore, web3 trader,
jump in, make sure everyone gets maximum value immediately?
Or are you focusing on building something sustainably?
And I don't think that it's a pure binary decision.
But the way that you present the project,
the information that you share with your community,
And I don't believe any founders that have experience
in the sector at all, if they say,
yeah, we didn't really know what we were doing.
That was fine in 2020 and 2021, not in 2024.
We've been around way too long.
And especially with advisory groups
that exist all over the sector.
I think you have to, in any aspect of life,
set expectations appropriately.
And that's going to dictate the response that people give you.
And I don't think you can complain afterwards
if you did a poor job of that and then people got upset.
Yeah, I just want to push back on what,
I don't disagree with anything codegy or knoxed.
I think that they're right.
AOF first did 99% of what they're doing right.
But this flop was a pretty major flop.
And I think you can equally look at them as a project.
And I think they tried to have their cake and eat it too.
You can't work people into a fever pitch
and then splash cold water on their face.
You can't nail, you can't have all your marketing in one way.
And then at the last second, just go, nope.
They got everybody super excited.
And then at the last second, they
took the wind out of everybody's sails.
And codegy, I think, as a founder, you should shut the,
I would never say that to you.
It's so rare that I get to disagree with knock
that I had to just raise my hand again
so that I could disagree with knock.
I think that animal safety is 100% correct.
It's all about expectation management.
That's exactly the phrase I had in my head
as we've been having this whole conversation.
And I just want to say, in my experience,
the higher the stakes, the more and more important
expectation management becomes, no matter
how good of a job you're doing, no matter, to knock's point,
how professional, how long-term focused,
how best for your community overall,
like, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And it turns out that even if you're creating
the best products and the best long-term decisions, et cetera,
and you don't manage expectations well,
not just in Web 3, but certainly like,
you know, like, look at public companies.
This isn't a thing that happened this week.
I don't know if you guys noticed,
there was a bunch of these news articles
about how iOS 17 or something,
like the next version of the iPhone operating system
was, quote unquote, not going to be a major iteration,
not going to be a big change, everybody should just,
and this was like leaked information or whatever,
it's not leaked information.
It's 100% Apple seeding those expectations to the market,
secretly back channeling to their contacts or whatever
to drop these stories so that expectations are lowered
for iOS 17 and can be then higher for iOS 18
or whatever the version that comes after that.
They do this shit all the time and, you know,
even the ones that have the best NPS scores like Apple
are still in the position of having to manage expectations
for their great products and services all the time.
It's just part of the game, like Syngin said,
I completely agree with this point.
So, you know, I can't really have sympathy for that
because I've been in that room a million times,
you know, I was part of a public company
when we went public with Zynga.
I know what it's like when the stakes are that high
and it's just part of the game you have to play.
A bunch of amazing comments.
I'll get to them after we work our way through the hands.
I'll go back to knock your rebuttal for Mr. Wild Paul saying
he disagrees with you, the audacity, dude.
No, and I think it's a fair point.
But what I'll say is this, it's frustrating
because we sit here and we beat this drum of like,
we really need teams in this space to succeed.
We need to make sure that teams are doing things
sustainably that they're around for five or six years
so that they can set a good example
for some of the large incumbents,
people for like the AAA studios that we all love
and the games that we all play
to feel comfortable taking the leap into this space, right?
If I'm an executive at one of those studios
and I use them as a case study,
and I look and I go, okay,
they gave away an asset for free.
That asset pretty much immediately spawned
at like $1,600 worth of value.
Even now it's trading at multiple hundreds
of dollars worth of value.
And then they said, hey, we're not done yet.
We're gonna give you guys more.
We're gonna give you more.
And you find out that that more is a couple $100 immediately
and then maybe $50 to $100 every month
for the next three years.
And the impact and the response from their community
and from their audience was like, fuck you guys.
Like Web3, like traditional AAA teams
are already balking at the idea of giving anybody value.
And I'm gonna pick on Jerry for a second
because I've actually heard the Fire Festival
think twice today, once on Twitter
and once on the space now.
And the difference between this and Fire Festival
is for Fire Festival, you paid $2,000
Here, you paid no $1,000, received 1,500 bucks
and then were rewarded even further for holding that asset
to the point where they're gonna drop you some more money
and then you're gonna have more money coming in
Could they have done it better?
Should they probably still reconsider their approach?
Was it an all time fumble?
And when you really peel back the layers
and you look at why people are mad,
you're not mad because they didn't handle it well.
You're not mad because they didn't set expectations.
Like sure, pretend that that's the case
but we all know why you're mad.
You're mad because you didn't get as much free money
as you thought you were going to get
and you chose to turn on a team for it.
You didn't get more money and I think it's ridiculous.
Some people paid free but some people bought at 0.7.
Yeah man, that was gonna be my point too.
Like same thing with like the...
And those people that bought at 0.7
probably did so because of the team's messaging.
And anybody who, you know,
people are just mad because they didn't get any free money
I'm very happy to say that.
You know, I think that like the whole airdrop system
I think is sometimes a little bit of a toxic thing
You're right, knock, but I think a lot of people,
you know, it's easy for people to say like,
oh, you know, we didn't tell you to buy on secondary
but you know, we did have a lot of influence
and we didn't spend a lot of effort.
Yeah and I just have to add to this
because that's exactly the conversation we have internally.
Of course we talk about like, look at wild pass,
you know, it was minted at 44 bucks
and it's up like, you know, at 0.6 ETH right now.
But we're always now talking about those people
who just yesterday bought it at 0.62 ETH.
And how are we gonna like, you know,
be there for those people?
How are we gonna manage expectations and build value
and allow those people to grow value in that together
with us, which is our goal.
And that's like, you can't avoid that conversation.
We're not allowed to go back and say, yeah,
but what about those people that did it, you know,
last year at 44matic or whatever?
Like that's just, yeah, I agree.
Yeah, I think that that's fair.
But at the core of this, like any time that anybody
has done an airdrop, people are relating the size
of that airdrop to their entry point into that collection.
I don't think it's entirely fair for every team
that chooses to reward users via airdrop
to have to like dollar cost average what everybody purchased,
what the average user spent on the asset
and make sure that their airdrop makes enough money
relative to the average price of the consumer.
I think that there's an inherent, you know,
you have an inherent belief and structure
that you have to support the people who buy
into your collection, buy into the game,
the ecosystem that you've created.
But I think ultimately, like things need to make sense.
Like what was the dollar amount that people
were going to be okay with?
Even then I bought it at point seven,
I don't think that my dollar amount was enough
You're never going to please people.
And I think that that's the core of this problem.
Just real quick, just real quick.
I'm sorry, I know there's hands up,
but I have to jump in on this.
I think part of this is actually,
so when we talk to our attorneys
about how we think about NFTs and tokens and other things,
and I know we've talked about this in other topics,
is like these are not supposed to be assets
where somebody has the expectation
that they just acquire a thing
and that thing goes up in value
based on the work of someone else.
it seems like that's all always how we talk about it.
But I'm telling you guys,
the way out of this conversation
is to not think about your users that way,
to think this is supposed to be,
the things that we're creating here
are supposed to be assets that allow those people
to put in the time and effort
and grow their affiliation with the project over time.
If we do treat these things like shares,
then it gets us into all the problems
you're talking about, Nock.
internally, the way that we navigate this
is to continue to remind ourselves
that these assets are not shares.
They're utility-focused things
that are supposed to allow users to opportunity
within our ecosystem to grow that affiliation and value.
we end up setting expectations
automatically, correctly with our users.
They don't think they're just here for free money
or it's just a share that they can purchase
that's gonna go up in value.
They feel like, no, I'm here because,
or this asset represents a thing I can do,
a thing I could be a part of,
value that I can add and contribute
And that ends up being the saving for us anyway,
the thing that helps us manage those expectations.
All right, boys, I see three more hands up.
I'm gonna give them 30 seconds each
and then we're gonna move on.
I'll start with Xin Zheng.
I'm gonna take more than 30 seconds.
So don't fucking cut me off.
But I wanna say, I love Nock.
Nock is a champion for the companies in Web3
and this is always his take.
And I respect that so much
because he comes from that paradigm
and he's unmoving from that.
But in this case, you have to really look at
who really understand what's going on.
I mean, the free mints in some ways is really,
and I agree with while Paul and this is like,
it's a bait and switch and stuff like that
because they do have an expectation that,
they are gonna do this free mint
and they're gonna get the secondary trade volume
Now, if in the case where,
that didn't really work out and there's miscalculation
because people traded on blur or so on and so forth
and they didn't use a 721C,
I mean, these are kind of issues on the execution.
But in terms of managing expectation,
I mean, it's so incredibly important to do that.
And then if you're doing it
in terms of knowingly setting those expectations
to kind of create this environment
where you're getting the secondary volume,
you have this kind of secondary agenda,
I mean, I'll give you an example.
We did do our mint and obviously we went through all this
and I mean, the reality is everyone's playing
this DJing game and I'm fundamentally fucking evil.
Like this is all fucking child's play.
But the reality is like, you look at it
and there is this huge fucking liability there
where people are not really understanding.
They're like children not really realizing
the consequences of what they're doing.
And someone DM'd a few people DM Jerry and they're like,
okay, this black card thing, what free shit do I get?
What kind of tokens, whatever like that.
This is a fucking black card.
It's for people who fucking spend,
who wanna be there to build.
It's not for you fucking hood rats who want free shit.
So get the fuck out of here.
You're not the ones that I fucking want
what is the objective of all of these NFT launches?
Like for us, it was basically finding alignment
of who's gonna be there for us
to like kind of move forward together
in what we think what is web three.
I love that he's a champion.
In this case, you know what?
You have to manage expectations and let's be real here.
Like Ana Masita had said before,
we fucking know what we're doing here.
And they made a massive miscalculation.
I'm glad they didn't double down on it,
but the backlash is something
that unfortunately it's part of the game.
In St. John's world, that was actually only 15 seconds.
So thank you for being so brief.
Yeah, Sam, you asked a bunch of us earlier,
like, you know, what is our favorite thing about gamified?
And this discussion is like a perfect example, right?
Like it's so cool to be able to have like these discussions.
Yeah, I love being able to talk about these things
like in front of everybody and we're all figuring it out,
you know, a lot of the times together.
And, you know, this is like iconic gamified to me.
So this is why we love the show, man.
And on top of that, I would love for everybody
to like celebrate these people.
Their honesty is why they're able to do that.
Or sorry, really it's the people in the comments,
not like trying to crucify people for being honest
that allows them to be honest.
And also it takes a lot from them
to be willing to be honest in public.
And so that combination of factors,
both from the audience and the panel is just incredible.
And I couldn't ask for a better culture that we have here.
So thank everybody on both sides of that.
Brian, do I still have your hand?
Go up quick and then I'll go to Lemz.
I think we're seeing sort of the book written real time.
We forget how nascent this space is and how new things are.
You know, I think this blowback is a great learning
and teaching moment for teams, both for AOF and beyond.
I'm confident they'll get it right.
But I think sometimes you have to push back
and be honest to help the space do better.
So I'm happy that's happening here
and I'm confident they'll get it right.
Well, Lemz, what you got, bud?
We'll give you a Hytopia whitelist for this one.
And he goes, they're chumps, to be honest.
I think the fact they played everything so well
right up to the airdrop details is a sign
that they knew exactly what they were doing.
Teams get greedy, community explodes, GG.
And just to follow up with that and some of my own thoughts,
I totally see where Knox coming from
and I can agree generally,
like there is this like airdrop,
like people just want the free money thing.
But I can say like as a nonholder,
I think what they did was just so off the mark,
they really hyped up the airdrop.
They were putting dollar values out
before like Christmas in December.
Like, oh, we're gonna be giving a million dollars away,
all these kinds of things.
If you lean so much into that financialized aspect
and leaning into the speculation,
you can't like come crying when you get like bitten by it
a little bit later when things don't go your way.
It's like, you have to measure those expectations
and know if you went into the general like chat
of their discord at any time,
you see everyone talking about the airdrop.
So like, they should know what was going on
Anyone I would recommend to go read,
Sparksy had a nice little diatribe about it
on why it was bad and like a really good analogy
about basically if you don't,
if you're not expecting a bonus from your regular job
and your boss teases you with a bonus
and makes it hyped up like it's gonna be a big bonus
and then you get a tiny bonus, are you gonna be pissed?
Yeah, you're gonna be pissed
just randomly give you a little bonus,
you would have been happy with it, right?
Well said, yeah, that was a great thread from Spark.
Make sure you guys check that out
if you wanna get even more huge shout out to everybody,
absolutely crushing it in the comments, almost 300 already.
We hope that we can reward you adequately
for all being super, super engaged.
We're gonna jump into some quick stats that we have
based on some polls that I did.
If you wanna see from the people on stage
and the people in the audience, give me a thumbs up
or a thumbs down on these questions.
I'll tell you like five seconds
after I announced the question what the actual answer is.
But number one, is knock artificial intelligence?
All right, and literally everybody is a thumbs up.
77% people said yes, knock is AI.
Will wild Paul ever be mean on an episode
Almost exactly split, I would say, which is perfect
because we had almost exact split in our poll.
51% of people said, no, he will never be mean
and 49% said at some point he will be mean.
Will Sinjin be on every single episode of Game of Five
Everybody seems to think yes.
I just wanna set the expectations.
That's all I'm doing with my thumbs up.
Paul was mean when he said he kinda liked me.
He already was mean this year.
I thought so too, you guys don't understand my version
of mean, but I can't believe that 50% said that anyway.
But they haven't seen my Oppenheimer side.
Like everybody just gets to see my Barbie side.
Yeah, you people, they don't know wild Paul.
You need to be in that room when I was closing
that 180 million dollar deal with Zynga.
You don't see the Oppenheimer.
Up next, has Dubb completed the redemption arc?
I don't see him here today.
51% of people said no, he had not.
It looked like we had two people on the panelists,
And then last but not least is Fresco week.
Okay, 51% said yes, he is.
29% said no, but we have Jerry now.
He rebranded just in case.
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I gotta give a bunch of shout outs.
Mr. Knock with the Game of Five newsletter
has hit a thousand subscribers in less than three months,
which I just think is an awesome accomplishment.
I gotta give a huge shout out as well to the Wolves Down,
which of course is the number one place
to be in web three gaming point blank period,
and it's helped Game of Five every single step of the way.
If you're not in the Wolves Down,
you should be trying to get into the Wolves Down,
and they've been co-hosting this space literally
since the very beginning.
I also gotta give a shout out to the Eath Lizards
who helped originally promote Game of Five,
and we're a huge part of our origin story.
And shout out to Influence Planet Atmos, Hytopia.
We got some Elder Gods also from Bride to Sanso.
Wild Passes from Wild Paul.
Thank you guys, all of you, so, so, so much.
Appreciate you letting us reward our wonderful listeners.
And last but not least, Koop and Avax also gave us
a bonus shrapnel operator to give away today,
and Icy is doing a really fun challenge.
He posted this insane graphic with like 600 PFPs,
and if you can find yours and drop a comment,
then you're able to potentially win that shrapnel operator.
I think for the Wild Pass, maybe some of the Elder Gods,
we have so much to give away and not enough time,
so I'll probably do a post after this.
Maybe say your favorite part of the space on that post
and maybe we can give some of these out that way.
I think that would be a really fun way to do it.
We move on to Big Deal, Little Deal, No Deal.
TSM Blitz launched their subnet around two weeks ago.
Mr. Nock is always talking about TSM Blitz
and how we can't live without it.
They're gonna be hosting Avalanche-branded tournaments.
They're gonna have way more ways for fans to interact
with their favorite games, especially using Blockchain.
For reference, and anybody that doesn't know,
TSM Blitz has 30 million gamers,
and we've seen Starbucks with a ton of success
on their on-chain loyalty program.
My question for the panel,
is this activation similar to the ways
we onboard regular users, but using Blockchain tech?
Is it a big deal, little deal, no deal?
Do you think we might get a share
of those 30 million gamers by virtue of this activation?
I'm gonna send it over to Nock,
who loves TSM Blitz more than anybody I've ever met.
I literally have Blitz open right now
because I'm playing League.
So I would say from a Web2Gamer perspective,
I just really wanna paint a picture for what this app is.
It is literally the definitive app
when it comes to the Riot Games ecosystem.
It is probably the single most important thing
from a companion perspective that exists for League,
for Valorant, for TFT, whatever it is that you're playing.
For TSM, it has been the lifeblood of that organization
for the last five or six years.
It is a cash cow, it brings in a ton of revenue,
This is as big as it gets for a non-game
in the gaming world in Web2.
I think this is a medium deal
that has the potential to be a massive deal long-term
We talked about this a few months ago,
but there's this concept of we are never going
to onboard Web2 users to this space,
going straight from the norms of Web2
and throw them into the fire of what is Web3.
There needs to be a middle ground
where they're comfortable or they're doing things
Reward programs, slowly getting people comfortable
with the idea of crypto, slowly making them comfortable
These are the types of things that we need to be seeing.
Bullets is a perfect middle ground.
They're a team that is executing at the highest level
in the traditional gaming space.
They have the capabilities to execute in this space as well,
And they literally have one of the highest concentrations
of gamers in the world right now
across their ecosystem of companion apps.
Right now, it's a good thing at the worst, right?
It is get people comfortable with the idea of crypto.
Let's see where it goes from there.
My hope is that it is a great thing and a massive deal.
And in next year on episode 104,
we're looking back on the success that Blitz had,
but I'm cautiously optimistic.
I don't wanna just be a Blitz shill,
but I do think that they have a lot of good to do
I'm gonna send it over to Coop,
the man behind the Avaxon gaming account.
By the way, make sure you give them a follow.
Coop, what you got on this one?
Yeah, I think Nock said it really well.
And they're taking the slow part very well.
And it's very light integrations
and it's gonna ramp up over time.
I think to become that amazing experience,
there's a bunch of potential in terms of like,
how can they work with web3 games in the space?
How can they sort of bring people from their digital wallet,
which barely feels like crypto into the space more?
And that's gonna be the challenging part to get right.
Because users are gonna be a little scared.
They're gonna need guidance.
And that's the area where I think we need to make sure
that the people on this stage
actually have an impact on them
and talk to the leaders at Blitz.
Because I know Adil is the main guy leading the charge.
He is a DJEN, he's in the space.
But I think he needs more people like us
to help understand the potential of everything
that they can do and should do in the space.
Wild Paul, send it over to you next.
Man, the last thing that you just said
was exactly what I was gonna say.
Like this ties directly to what we were saying earlier.
This is that moment where if that team
gets the right people working with them,
talking to them, helping them navigate the space,
it could be the best thing ever.
But for me, it's like my plea then,
back to knock, back to everyone on this panel,
like let's try to network our way to that group.
Let's try to get them in the room with the right people,
talking to the right teams, getting the right advice.
Because if it goes wrong, it's gonna hurt everyone.
And if it goes right, it could have the biggest
positive impact on everything we're doing.
So let's all put the time and effort into trying to do that.
We're doing that with other teams like them
that are kind of cautiously eyeing the space
and wanting to learn and wanting to get involved.
And the more those people can be connected
with the right people in Web3,
the greater chance of success
because there's a lot of people
who will tell them the wrong things.
So let's all try to drown those people out
and get them the right people in the room.
Yeah, I would be happy to help facilitate some of that.
Animositas, the man behind some other infrastructure
in Web3 Gaming, what are your thoughts on TSM Blitz?
Yeah, medium deal for me, Sam.
So we know that the main driver for new users
coming into the sector is not mainstream brands.
It's also not mainstream studios.
It's them having friends and their fellow gamers
and content creators and other influencers that they trust
and that they're actually willing to take their advice
and their feedback and follow along into a new space.
This is very much grounded in biology
and in psychology for humans.
The vast majority of people are not going to be
early adopters for new tech.
And so we're very much at that tipping point.
It's going to take a number of catalysts,
most of which are one-on-one conversations,
not mass mainstream adoption all hitting all at once
that seems to feel very manufactured, right?
And so I think eyeballs is always a good thing.
Having 30 million more people,
understanding to some small degree what Web3 is
and why it's better for them as gamers,
absolutely good thing for the sector.
However, until we see products and adopters
that have begun using those products,
communicate more effectively with their friends,
we're not going to see mass adoption.
Well said, and I just want to give people a heads up.
We're going to do a little segment later
where we talk about some of our favorite moments
from the past 51 episodes of Game of Five.
But if you comment your favorite episode,
or sorry, your favorite moment from Game of Five history,
you could have a chance to win some of these awesome rewards.
I would love to read a bunch off
along with some of the ones that were submitted
and then back to knock about TSM Blitz.
Yeah, I'm going to go back to a famous quote
and say that size matters.
And 30 million is a lot of people.
And, you know, if you just go to the Blitz website,
you can see some of the games that they support
and, you know, provide data on right now
with Power World, League of Legends,
Counter Strike 2, Valorant, Team Fight Tactics,
Apex Legends, Fortnite, Escape from Tarkov,
I would say that's some pretty big fucking games.
I would say we've all probably played a few of those.
And, you know, if a 10th game pops up as a web three game,
like a parallel, that's a huge funnel that will be created.
And, you know, I think it's something that sounds like
they're, you know, actually trying to do.
So I think this is a big deal.
If I said that chess.com is 100 million,
people is a big deal last week.
Unlike the rest of this panel, I like to be consistent.
And I would say that that's a pretty big deal too.
All right, knock over to you.
Yeah, I think the big thing,
and one of the ways to look at this is like,
the definition of a phobia is like an extreme fear
And a lot of the times that's coupled with,
you don't really know why you're afraid of that thing,
but you're afraid of that thing.
My girlfriend is terrified of spiders.
She sees one, she freaks the fuck out,
traditional web to gamers when you say the word crypto,
it creates this like response in them
where they just want to vomit, they want to run away.
They don't want to deal anything with it.
And one of the ways that you make people
or you help people get over a phobia is exposure therapy.
It's this idea of get comfortable with the thing,
get comfortable with being adjacent to that thing.
And when you're looking at a platform
that has 30 million gamers,
we don't need Blitz to be the team
that leads the charge for mass onboarding,
but they can be one of the teams
that helps to get 30 million people accustomed
and comfortable with the idea of web3 gaming.
We don't need to put it all on Blitz.
They don't need to be the ones who fight this alone.
We don't need to all go in
and make sure that they get it right.
But the idea is 30 million players
will not have some exposure or potentially have some exposure
to the idea of crypto and gaming.
And over time, they'll become more and more comfortable
with that idea as they play games with their friends
and they talk about the reward system
and they have XYZ experience with it.
And then it's more likely that the next time
they see a wildcard or a shrapnel or a parallel,
they're willing to give it a shot
instead of just saying, fuck that, there's crypto,
I don't want to deal with it.
That's where I think the potential benefit is here.
I don't think that Blitz needs to drive it,
but they can set it up for everybody.
Heading to Tony from shrapnel and then over to Koji.
Yeah, I switched bodies with Tony and you got dubbed now.
And I just wanted to chime in on the topic
and sorry to come in halfway,
but I use Blitz app to become the master of TFT
for season three through season five.
And I can't freaking wait to see something like parallel
or even something like ourselves on the Blitz companion app.
And it's so cool because it's not a main thing
with the game or anything.
It's just this little thing to help you
learn your journey through the game.
And I just really looking forward to what Koop and Avax
has in store for that ecosystem
and how Web3 is gonna kind of empower that some more
and reward players who create content on it
or what have you and really looking forward to it.
I mean, Koopji over to you.
I think it's a big deal mainly because it wasn't that long
ago that we were all sort of weeping in our hands,
being like, oh, Web3 is over.
No, you know, like, no, no Web2 company
is ever gonna touch this shit.
We're gonna have to do it ourselves or whatever.
And now, you know, like, there's still obviously
a lot of interest in the space that we're dabbling in.
And I mean, I hate to use the adage
in terms of my dog's barking,
but like we are obviously still early
if these motherfuckers are still trying to figure it out.
So like that just bodes well for our projects.
And last but not least, my co-host, Lemz.
Yeah, I'm just here to read comments.
But before that, I do have to say for Dubb,
in case you missed it, over half the audience thinks
you didn't complete the reduction arc.
So just, sorry, there's this point here
in case you missed that earlier.
Shout out to Charlie, had a comment in there saying,
He really held his own in that debate.
And I think he really elevated the conversation
that was in relation to the AOF.
And I definitely think so.
It made it a really, really interesting discussion.
So yeah, shout out, Charlie.
And then you guys are killing me
with the memes in the comments.
Shout out Sosboy, AE, Chelsea.
I feel like I can't convey these without the visuals.
So you guys just got to get in the comments.
But yeah, everyone I read there,
we're gonna be helping you guys up
with the Planet Atmos whitelist.
So I'll be sliding into your DMs.
And they all broke my heart.
50% of people think I'm gonna be mean this year.
They were right already, dude.
Apparently, a huge shout out to all the comments.
There's not just for today,
but for all the people that have made the comments
an absolute party over the last 51 episodes,
I think that sometimes the content in the comments
is borderline just as good as the content on the show.
Even the panelists jumping in there
and elaborating on concepts, answering people's questions.
It's just my favorite thing in the world.
the people that have stood out,
Yap, Steppes, Crypto Actor, McKillan,
Jaxxy, Etherway, Niko Naughton,
Samurai Con, Maddox, Cypress Phoenix, AE,
Pirate Master, Murdock, and so many others.
I just wanna give everybody a huge shout out.
And if I didn't get your name in there, I'm so sorry.
I know the list goes on and on,
but I just wanted to make sure I at least acknowledge
We can make this one quick, but I thought it would be fun.
Game of Fides game modes.
We're dump dating and marrying them.
So dump date or marry, raid boss,
big deal, little deal, no deal, and dump date or marry.
How would you rank those things?
I'm going to Mr. Goncogi first.
Will he actually participate in the game mode
or will he say they're all garbage?
Sam, you know me so well,
cause I wasn't gonna say they're all garbage,
but I have no idea which game mode is which
So I'm just like, yeah, throw them at me.
But I'll dump the one where we're split off into teams
because I feel like I end up arguing against
what my real point is the majority of the time.
And I feel like that there's some people walking away
from the spaces being like,
oh, maybe he really believes that.
And then I'll just marry any other game mode
that you want to put out there
because this is the most fun spaces there is.
Yeah, and no dating for me.
I'm a man of mostly commitment.
I'm not as committed as Sinjin,
but I'm a man of commitment.
So I'm marrying all the game modes in this space.
I'm committed to all mothers out there.
Sliding hands on the toes.
Sorry, don't go over to you, dude.
I feel, I just first wanted to recollect.
I didn't realize that there's 52 weeks in the year
So thank you, Sam, for putting two and two together.
I was perplexed this morning.
I thought the show was around for like two years
and like it just had blurred this entire time or something.
I was trying to do the math, but now it all makes sense.
But for me on the Dump Date or Marry,
I'm for sure marrying Raid Boss.
the only reason why you brought me back
was because of my performance in Raid Boss.
So of course I have to marry her.
I'm definitely dating Dump Date or Marry
because I still to this day dream of the responses
that Anna Masita's had during Dump Date or Marry
and wish that I could be that coherent of a speaker
and ever since I heard that, I just dreamed of doing it.
So that's why I'm constantly dating it.
And that means I got a Dump, little deal, no big deal
or whatever the deal because honestly,
that one gets so fuddled up,
it might as well be a yes or no, I like this thing.
So that's why I'm dumping it.
I love how Anna Masita's is so eloquent
like some deal, no deal or a little,
It's so great to have you all the time.
Mr. Wild Paul, over to you.
Yeah, I can't tell the difference
between big deal, little deal, no deal and Dump Date or Marry.
They seem like the same game to me,
but I know we said this earlier,
but I just had to reinforce like my favorite
and it's not really tied to what the game modes are
because clearly I break the rules of every game mode
just like I'm doing right now
and I'm just gonna talk about something else
and I seem to do that every time.
But yeah, but what I love are the ones where we disagree.
I wish there was some way to like even like
sort of find out ahead of time,
like which are the ones that our panelists
are gonna have opposite takes on
so that we can like dive in and spend the most time on that
because for me, that's when I learned the most
and I feel like we draw out the most insight
is when we're like actively,
aggressively disagreeing about things.
So, and that's the only chance
that we're ever gonna see mean Paul.
So anyway, that's my, that's what I vote for.
That was why we invented Raid Boss
was to make people disagree
because sometimes I know that you guys
can argue both sides of it.
You just don't because it's not your real opinion.
That's true and it has been good at provoking that actually.
So I know it's hard to do like, you know,
like what's being said, but I kind of love that one
because it does force me to look at things
from other angles and it does tend to provoke arguments.
And actually Raid Boss was voted by our panelists
as their favorite game modes.
Of course, some people said it wasn't
but it was the most often selected favorite game mode
Jerry, I'm going over to you
and I hope Animal Seatos has one in the chamber.
Yeah, I love, I actually love big deal, little deal, no deal.
Because I think the world isn't black and white.
And I think having more than two choices sometimes
is really good for this panel.
Even though people like Paul just don't, you know,
I am going to date Raid Boss
because like I have this sick thing
where I love picking the people on my team.
Like I love picking the token people
and making them argue against tokens.
That's the funnest shit to me.
And I'm going to dump date Mary
because I think Sinjin and I got in the early episodes
back in the wild west days.
Sinjin and I, I think got too carried away with that.
It was called something else.
I'm not going to say the name.
And I think we made a lot of women hate us.
I think I single handedly shut that down.
I was like, I've been hating on both.
Thanks boys, appreciate that.
Wow, episode 52 going great.
Knock over to you and then we'll go to Animal Seatos.
Yeah, I'm also going to break the rules
and just go straight to Mary.
And I'm going to only marry Raid Boss.
We need to go through some counseling.
We need to figure it out.
And I'm going to call out the audience here
because I feel like what happens a lot of the time
on Raid Boss is one team, I won't name which side,
but one side presents really well thought out arguments.
You know, they have a plan.
They directly counteract the points made by the other team.
And then the other side does the Lois Griffin
running for president 9-11 meme
where anytime Syngin says wank,
the audience claps and cheers for him.
but I think we've got some problems
in the way that voting happens.
So I'm marrying Raid Boss,
but we need to figure some things out.
Dude, did he jump straight to marry, man?
We got to make a Utah boy out of him.
I'll go back to wild ball
because he put the hand in the water
and it would shoot us out of the water.
So we need a little more game design theory
You know, a little prisoner's dilemma.
let's figure out how to really pit people against each other
add some mechanics to these game modes.
I would love to also just see,
like when we do the things
like you were just calling out earlier, Sam,
where we have audience voting for things
and like just really lets people,
and of course the comments are so good for that.
And I love you guys for reading out the comments
but even more things that would involve the folks
that are listening and sort of bring them
I would be all in favor of,
and yes, more game rules,
more actual game mechanics would be awesome.
Yeah, I should have never asked a bunch of game designers
about my shitty games that I designed like a year ago.
That was a horrible decision.
Animal Sea Toss, the king of Dump Date and Mary,
so I'm gonna dump big deal, no deal,
whatever the heck deal it is.
We talked already about expectation management.
This game mode is a throw away
because nobody really knows what the expectation is.
Half the people aren't gonna bother following the rules
anyways, and the audience is just left confused
about what everyone's saying.
but nothing's really coming out of it.
As a result, you're gonna feel like you were involved
by participating or hearing this game mode,
but at the end of the day,
you don't care enough to end up sitting on the couch
eating a pint of ice cream
that things don't go your way.
Dump Date or Mary, I gotta date this one.
This requires you to be quick on your feet.
Just like dating, you gotta be present all the time,
it's gonna have a really awesome crescendo
just a chef's kiss at the end of the experience,
but it's also not gonna keep you there forever.
Afterwards, you're gonna go away dreaming about it,
but you're not laying in bed for the rest of your life.
What was that sound that-
Dude, I didn't know if that was the chef's kiss.
I think that might've been a thrust.
I gotta finish this just like that.
Raid Boss, this is the one I've got to marry here.
Marriage is all about compromise.
you may not always end up on the side
that you thought you would or that you wanted to.
you're gonna get thrown in with a family
that you didn't always pick.
Some of the people you're gonna kind of like a little,
some of the people you're gonna love,
but you're all there on the same side
trying not to kill each other.
the audience is gonna be the ones that judge
how affected this thing was.
Okay, dude, but you got a thrust in marriage too, okay?
That's why he's the best.
Yeah, I'll dump a little deal, big deal,
a small deal, whatever like that.
It's just whatever, exactly what Animosito said.
Like it's just expectation-wise,
like we always break the rules anyways there.
I'm gonna marry, don't date, whatever.
You know, I realized that, you know,
we can't do the orgy jokes anymore
because it was always a layup for that.
And so I'm kind of sad about that.
I hope it comes back more.
And I'm gonna marry Raid Boss.
I think what's the beautiful thing here is that,
you know, actually I only use about like 10%
of my intellect during these spaces.
And because it's so easily, you know,
fucked by me just going all in with the hammer
that, you know, it's just too fucking easy.
And that's about the game design and how it's structured.
But if you guys actually structured it,
or we structured it a little bit more better,
it's, I would still just, I would just,
I was gonna use some other old gamer term,
but I would still destroy you guys anyway.
So like, it's, there's no real point.
But if you want to see the more intellectual side
I'll still school you boys.
It's just like, if I lost weight, you know,
I would not just take your moms,
but I'd take your girlfriends as well.
You know, I see Sinjin's mic moving,
but all I hear is Lois Griffin on the podium doing 9-11.
I just hope that whenever we get to episode 104,
you guys actually know what the game modes are called.
Cause I've only told you them for 47 consecutive weeks,
Sinjin, but you know, one day we'll get there.
Brian just stands up with a hand up.
I also admit I had no idea what the game mode names were.
I had to pull up your survey
to get the list of possible answers.
I'm gonna marry Raid Boss.
I think it's rare that you get put into a head space
where you have to consider other opinions
that weren't your first gut.
And I think that's a really powerful framework.
As far as date, I'm gonna swerve and say quick fire.
I think this panel tends to be wordy as fuck,
So I think sometimes it's nice
to get a quick hit of knowledge.
Sometimes you need a quickie every once in a while.
That one is my favorite to break the rules on
other than talking on the hands of them.
More love for quick fire.
And I'm gonna dump date and marry.
Sometimes I just don't wanna marry or date anything.
And I feel like I'm forced in a corner.
Like, sometimes I don't wanna choose.
Brian DeSanto actually following the rules.
You gutless wanks, take some fucking notes.
We got Brian, the Bachelor, DeSanto over there.
Am I the only one that follows the rules?
First of all, how do you guys not know the game modes?
Are you guys like, I don't know if I have faith
in your projects anymore.
You guys are asleep to the wheel over here.
I just realized that I'm the only one
that actually sticks to the rules, Sam.
First of all, Jerry, check yourself.
Cause I follow every role meticulously.
Nah, it's just us, buddy.
All right, all right, we move on.
My game modes have been insulted enough for one day.
I thank God I'm leaving tomorrow for five days
so that I can recover from this
and be ready for next week's episode.
We're going on to some more statistics.
Thumbs up and thumbs down if you guys believe,
well, we'll figure this out.
So big deal, little deal, no deal.
And Dump Date or Merry were actually voted
They tied for second best or the game modes.
And then the winner of the best game mode
based on our survey was actually bullish or bullshit,
which I was really shocked by.
That one really surprised me.
We don't even, yeah, it's kind of a filler in my head,
but apparently people love it.
So we're going to bring out more of that.
Favorite panelist, curious if anybody wants to jump in,
Somebody won 50% of the vote for a favorite panelist.
That's the reduction arc.
I mean, it's obviously the guy who yells gutless wanker
and I'm a gutless wanker because I also voted for him.
Jerry, what do you think?
It was so hard, but I don't remember who I picked.
You guys have all become friends of mine.
Sinjin did win 50% of the popular vote.
Knock the hand went up as I was announcing it.
What were you going to say?
I want to point out the fact that Jerry spent
the last five minutes saying how he follows
every single rule and then just completely ignored
Hey man, I mean, fucking winning Rome.
Truly, truly a victim of circumstance.
That is the most well deserved.
And it's because you put in the time, man.
You are here 47 episodes.
That's crazy from wherever you are.
And thank you for all being good nails
so I could be the fucking hammer.
Who's your favorite panelist?
Who won more of the popular vote on this one?
You didn't tell me that was one of the questions.
I want to run a fucking campaign, man.
We were running a campaign against each other.
I don't know if I got that question,
but after being on a podcast with Katie today,
I'm like, holy shit, why don't I hear her voice more?
I say that to Sam every fucking week, by the way.
You guys are both mad geniuses.
Like normally I feel like couples,
their skills sort of compliment each other,
I feel like you guys are both battling it out for us.
We're Barbie and Oppenheimer, man.
Yeah, except you're both Barbie and Oppenheimer.
One survey was sent to the panelists,
and then another survey was sent to the audience members.
It was a tweet that went out.
So some of the panelists might've responded to that tweet,
but mostly it was audience members.
Big shout out to everybody that filled that out.
And we are gonna be doing a giveaway for those people
that put their Twitter information in there as well.
Knocked, your hand is up.
Who you got, Katie or Paul, before I say who won?
Yeah, I think for anybody who's seen them both on the space,
it's probably an even split 50-50, but with one caveat.
If they are both on the space, it is Katie by a fucking mile
because not only does she give incredible takes,
she's also like raining Paul in the entire time
and telling him to shut the fuck up.
It's S tier content, both in terms of like
her level of intellect and her kind of keep Paul
And you guys get a glimpse into our entire marriage
and our professional relationship every single time
we are on stage together because that's all she does
all day long, is rein my bullshit in.
That's like her, that's the most important part of her job.
She would even say, even though every other part of her job
is also the most important, it's, yeah,
knock is completely correct.
Well, I didn't invite Katie on the space today
and she fucking faded me.
So we'll find out if we can get it out there.
Ana Mosita, somebody who put it back.
You're not seeing them on the same space,
it's actually seeing them in person at the same time.
Like, number one, number two, and number three part of my job
is raining your bullshit in.
That was like, and there's Katie Benner from the top row.
Everything I learned, I learned from listening to Paul
All right, I'm going to let Sinjin answer this last one.
Annie, if you want to get in there too,
and then we're going to tell him who actually won.
I got to give my vote to Paul.
Whoever lost gets kicked off, by the way.
Sorry, thank you, Sinjin.
Because us abused husbands, we got to stick together.
It's just the support group that needs
to be there in the face of these powerful, lovely, amazing women.
But sometimes they take that power too far
and it's just abusive, man.
Well, 63% of people voted in the Betner v.
You know it's Katie Betner, Katie won.
I am not buying it, you guys.
Because you know what I don't hear
after I talk on this space?
I don't hear a, well, I mean, just like what Paul said,
well, I agree with what Paul said.
I really love what Paul said.
I don't hear that after what I have
to say on a regular basis, so.
I mean, they're just scared of you.
If it makes you feel any better, I never hear that either.
They don't want to invoke the name of Katie
for her wrath to come down and fucking strike them
I do want you guys to know that for a good little while,
I don't remember who it was.
It might have been Jerry, or maybe it was Sin Jin.
I remember somebody said like, oh, Paul's
just scared of her, of his wife.
That's why he's just so terrified.
He always mentions her all the time,
because he's so scared of her.
And I was like, look, man, you're
making people think that I'm over here whipping you.
This is such a great thing.
I've had dinner with you guys.
Hope he actually likes that part.
Yeah, Paul said he likes the whipping part, actually.
Again, Sin Jin and I know where our place is, and we love it.
We're like off the top rope, and we're there,
squished underneath, and we're like, oh, we love this.
I've met both your guys' wives.
Do you stop playing the victim?
And by the way, the reason, Katie,
that people say that to me is because I just, like, if it's
coming out of my pores, the need for positive reinforcement,
the need for love, I just exude it from every pore.
So they're all just trying to help me out.
But also, I'm going to jump, but Sam and everybody
on this space, what an absolute dream this space is.
And I'm so glad that you guys are getting what you deserve
and the people are showing up for you.
You really have changed my entire outlook
on what these Twitter spaces can be.
I just love you, and I love all these panelists,
and I get so excited whenever you guys show up somewhere,
and I can't wait for many, many more.
Thank you so much, Katie.
That means the world to me.
And despite devolving into brief marriage counseling there
for the last few minutes, I do appreciate every single time I
get both Bettners on the panel.
It's truly an amazing experience.
Shrapnel's dub is going to chime in,
and then we're going to move on to the next topic.
Yeah, I was going to say, well, just like what Katie said,
we should bring her up more, and we should give her credit
And I'm just nailing it right out the gate.
That's what we got to do going forward.
He's really trying for that reduction arc.
Katie takes what she wants, bro.
All right, well, we're going to jump in with a story time.
We haven't done story time in a few weeks,
but I thought with the anniversary episode,
it might be fun for me and Lemz to do a story time
and explain a little bit behind the inception of Gamified.
And we found this audio clip.
Shout out to Phil, who has been grabbing a lot of these stats
and combing through things, and he
found this really old clip on episode one
that I thought would be fun to kind of kick off
with hopefully playing through my computer speakers.
I'm going to start off with that.
I created Gamified because I was so sick of typical founder
I could not take it anymore, so I decided
to build something different.
The idea behind this show is that we
get as many different pieces of input
from people's whose opinion we actually respect
so that we can inform our own opinions
as we're going out into this crazy web 3 world
This is going to be a really interesting format that
hasn't been done in Game 5 before.
And because of that, I think it's
going to be really special.
Every web 3 gaming space right now
is about promotion and education that I've seen.
And this is going to be different because it's
about community, interesting discussions, and most
importantly, having fun and gamifying the discussions
that we have, which we're all here for gaming.
I don't see why we don't gamify the conversations
that we have all the time.
So that was the original vision behind Gamified.
I wish I could have said it a little more eloquently,
But here we are all this time later.
If you go back and listen to those episodes on Spotify,
it literally could not be more different how much it's
Around episode 20, it felt like we really hit our stride.
But I wanted to send it over to my co-host Lem,
see if you had any thoughts on the inception of Gamified
and the progress we've made over the last year.
Yeah, I think first things first,
a moment of silence for the term Game 5.
R-I-P. It was much love for a short time.
Yeah, man, it's been such a trip.
Even going back to those episodes is still interesting.
I remember listening to episode 1 a couple of months ago.
And yeah, it's a good nostalgic vibe.
I still think you can see the raw potential of the show.
But yeah, so much more unpolished than what we have now
and our crazy whiteboard that we had on that first episode,
It was pretty cool just thinking back to,
I think it was me reaching out to you saying, hey,
And wanted to get something going with that.
And you're like, hey, I have this idea for a space.
And it would be really good just to go wolves down, eat lizards.
We can really kick it off with that.
And I think that was the moment when Game 5 was really born.
And I think the name came on the first episode.
Maybe it was the second episode when the name rolled in.
But then it's been stuck to it ever since.
Yeah, and Game 5 obviously looks like Game 5.
Sinjin even still calls it Game 5 all the time.
And I remember one of my buddies, Brian,
who helped me conceptualize this show as a game show,
was you might want to do game hyphen 5 just so people
know how to say it correctly.
And it was this whole debate that we had for hours and hours.
And that original flow chart, I want to post a picture of it.
Because I accidentally opened it the other day.
And it is a fucking disaster.
It was like 20 hours of me brain dumping into a flow chart
And truly, it really did lay the groundwork
as to how the show flows.
But I've recreated it six different times.
And now it's so streamlined, it makes total sense.
You can look at it and understand it.
The first one literally looks like I was a project manager
And it doesn't really make sense.
So just another opportunity for me
to say a huge thank you to everybody that's
made this so special, which is obviously the panelists,
again, willing to be honest, being funny,
having great opinions, coming educated to the space
Well, everybody except for Koji.
And it means the world to me.
We're going to do bullish or bullshit.
iOS pulls a unity and adds a, quote,
core technology fee for iOS apps distributed from the App Store.
These apps will have to pay $0.50 for each install,
Literally, a fucking exactly a unity,
because that went so great.
Tim Sweeney had a comment.
He quotes, we did it, and said, this
is because the scheme worked out so well for John Ricitti
Atello, or however the fuck you say his name,
people that we don't like anymore.
Koji, your thoughts on this?
I think it's funny that we're talking about it,
because none of these motherfuckers
are getting over a million.
So you don't need to worry about it.
I mean, I hope that we all do, but I hope that we all do.
But honestly, it's a high bar to hit.
And if we get there, it's probably less of a concern
than we think it's going to be, because getting to that million
is going to be the hard road.
And then once we're there, if I need
to pay a little tax along the way, I'll do it.
Paul, I know you had some strong feelings on this one.
Why don't I just send it over to you?
So this triggers some PTSD for me,
even though I don't need to be afraid of this now,
because I used to live in a world where you don't say
bad things about Apple publicly.
So I don't live in that world anymore, and I think it's fine.
But yeah, this has not been great.
When I saw this news announcement,
I was like, somebody must have got the details wrong.
The follow-on, Tim and other people commenting on this
confirmed to me that, oh my god, they really
did fuck this up that badly, and literally
make the exact same mistake.
I know a lot of iOS developers who are incredibly concerned
and discouraged by this news in the same way
that Unity developers reacted.
They're not doing it as publicly,
because there's really only one Apple.
It was easier to speak out against Unity, I think,
than to speak out against Apple, especially when Apple
has a curated platform and literally holds all the cards
when it comes to whether your app gets on the store at all,
So it's a little bit more of a challenging relationship
when you're an iOS developer.
But yeah, I was myself discouraged, displeased,
disappointed to see this news.
I know that Apple is trying to fight back
against what they've been dealing with in the EU
and the regulations there that are forcing them
to do certain things, like putting an app store alongside
But from us developers, it's like,
those are actually the good battles, the right battles
that those particular regulators have been fighting,
not like sometimes these things can be political or motivated
But you look at the battle that Tim, for instance,
Tim Sweeney at Epic is fighting.
And it's super righteous.
He really is doing it on behalf of the developers.
And he put his money where his mouth
is in terms of pulling Fortnite from the app store because,
or actually I should say getting banned or whatever,
pulled off the app store because he wasn't willing to play
by these draconian rules that are, in Apple's case,
historical more than anything.
I just don't think they have a leg
to stand on when it comes to sort of demanding
the royalties that they were demanding,
demanding the sort of app store monopoly that they had.
And this feels like a little bit like them trying
to get revenge for that and trying to like sort of prop up
that revenue vertical inside their company,
despite them being forced to do the right thing.
And I don't agree with that.
Real quick, before I go to knock,
Army of Fortune actually released during Gamified
a public statement on their token launch and airdrop plans
If you guys wanna talk about that, give me a thumbs up.
If you don't, give me a thumbs down and I'll make time
for it or I won't based on that.
But knock your thoughts on iOS.
Yeah, I think like objectively, this is just,
Okay, I had a little technical difficulty there.
I think objectively, this is just like stupidity
and it's really bad for anybody who's developing
I also think that this is something
that shouldn't be surprising to literally anybody
who's used any Apple product for any period of time ever.
Like this is a company who fought a battle
on a lightning port so that they could license the tech
for lightning to third-party developers to create tools
and accessories for Apple iPhones
because only they owned the technology behind lightning.
Like they admitted that USB-C is a superior product.
They have it on one end of the fucking connector,
this proprietary lightning bullshit,
this has been Apple's game.
They know that they own a monopoly.
They know that they have total control over the ecosystem
and the products that you use.
They're gonna levy and hit you
with all kinds of stupid shit.
And you're gonna say, wow, that sucks.
Well, it's really dumb that I have to pay 90 bucks
for a MacBook charger that doesn't fucking work,
but you're gonna do it anyway
because it's Apple and they own you.
It's an awful thing for developers to have to deal with.
It's not something that anybody should be surprised at at all.
And I also think what Koji said kind of has merit
It feels like a lot of the people who will be complaining,
like there are plenty of giants
who are gonna be complaining
because this is an extraordinary tax on their downloads.
But for the overwhelming majority of people
who are developing apps complaining about this,
they're never gonna sniff a million downloads anyway.
So I do think that there's some truth
to the humor that Koji brought up,
but I think like by and large,
this is a really shitty thing from a company
who has a history of doing really shitty things
and it shouldn't surprise anybody.
Well said as usual, my man.
Yeah, and I mean, keep in mind,
I'm not an expert savant like Paul
with all this industry and everything.
I'm just a dude with a crystal ball.
But when I'm looking at my crystal ball
and I'm seeing like people like the CEO of Spotify
and for example, like making this big public statement
on how they're against all of this stuff
and how stupid it is and everything,
it really makes me feel like this might be the straw
that breaks the apples camels back.
I tried to make that good, but it wasn't.
It just feels like they've finally kind of gone too far
and they'll see a lot of pushback publicly
from larger organizations like Spotify.
And I think there was another one too
that I was surprised to see them speaking out
And I think it's good to see
and it's a good sign for the market
that I don't think Apple will be able to continue
doing this kind of stuff.
Well said, no more hands on that.
So I'm gonna, before we get into our favorite moments
maybe we should just read this army of fortune.
When I let a few people chime in,
we won't spend too much time on it,
but I'll read the statement
for people that haven't seen it.
They say public statement on our token launch
As we celebrate our token launch this week,
we address the challenges
that have arisen with our airdrop plan.
We deeply apologize for the disappointment
and inconveniences caused to our community.
We acknowledge our shortcomings,
particularly in communication and managing expectations.
We regret the distress and uncertainty this has caused
and commit to better transparency and collaboration.
We've listened to the community
and devised a new plan for token distribution
Full details on the Discord,
I'm reading this from Twitter,
so go there if you wanna see everything.
We pledge to improve our communication,
value your feedback and align our decisions
with your needs and our shared vision.
We deeply regret the impact of our previous actions
and our goal is to rebuild trust and create a PR bullshit.
And then somebody in the comments says,
why not give us the allocation here?
Are your holders not on Twitter?
And then they replied and said 40 million tokens,
which is 4% of the supply.
Again, I guess we have to go to Discord to know for sure.
Does anybody wanna comment on this?
I mean, I think that was,
I'd have to go back and read it again,
but it sounded like a pretty decent,
as apologies go and as kind of like mea culpas go,
that seemed pretty decent.
I think, we were talking about this several gamifieds go
around similar moment with Jeremy Horn's mint,
And I think he had a moment
where there was a lot of disappointment and confusion
and frustration about parts of how the mint went.
And I think what Jeremy realized in that moment was
it maybe it wasn't even enough to just apologize
and just say, we're gonna get this better,
although he did that, but he went into overdrive
working to kind of deliver value
or to provide value for the people that were frustrated
in addition to just saying, sorry.
And so I think it's now, my guess is it's gonna be
on this team to figure out how they're gonna do that.
And that's the worst kind of feeling in moment
cause you're like behind the curve, right?
Now you're having to like,
instead of something that was pre-planned,
you're having to be reactive,
but this is also the fire where great teams are forged.
So, it's all gonna depend now on the moves they make
in this kind of high stress situation.
Graslo, one of my favorites in the comments.
I'm assuming this is in jest.
He says, hopefully there's at least a giveaway
I'm cracking up at the Graslo response.
I totally agree with Paul though.
I think they probably feel horrible
about how this was received and what happened.
But now it's on the team to rebuild trust and overdeliver.
And I think this is just day zero all over for them.
But I think the changes in improvement,
I think it's 4% of total supply.
There still is that 10% unlock, cliff and investing,
which I think feels healthy from a tokenomics standpoint.
So look, I appreciate them putting that out.
And I think that's why we have these hard conversations
It's so teams recognize that what they did wasn't great
and the market didn't like it.
But if you look at AOF passes on OpenSea,
volumes up, prices rising.
So clearly the market is responding well to it.
Yeah, I think Brian and Paul had two great points here,
but I just kind of want to rehash some of the things
that we were talking about earlier
and look at some of the comments on this.
It's exactly what we were saying earlier
that they should have been doing.
The way that they need to go about responding
to this sort of thing is admit your mistake,
admit you fucked up with expectation management,
admit all of those things.
The first comment is great, but get fucked
because you didn't tell us the distribution of the tokens.
Another comment is how come a third party
And one comment is literally just their ETH wallet address.
So it goes back to the point where no matter what,
it seems like regardless of what you do
as a founder in this space
or as somebody that's building a team,
literally nothing that you're going to do
is going to satisfy everybody.
And I do think that there's something
to take away there as well.
They did exactly what we wanted them to see.
There's like one comment saying we love you
and every other comment is neutral or negative.
Important to point out, Dub from shrapnel.
Yeah, I don't know the details
of exactly what they did wrong.
I mean, I love the game and I love the team
And what's really interesting for me
looking at the situation now is thinking about
how is web two users perceiving what they're seeing
if they are seeing this tweet
and seeing what's going down
and like how ugly our customer service
kind of looks towards our web three users,
especially from a web two point of view,
because like if I was finally interested
in getting into this game and seeing it
and then I see their main communication is just arguments
over token and the allocation of it
and all this kind of stuff,
I would definitely be turning around
and not being interested at it at all.
So it's like a good warning sign
or like a thing to think about
is when you do have these big optics moments,
like it's not just web three here.
How does that look to web two as well?
And I imagine their user acquisition right now
is really rough because of that.
I just had to read this comment.
Peyton has the best comment on this whole subject.
Nothing beats the keyboard from Valhalla mic drop.
Valhalla's keyboard, man,
we can't even keep up with that.
And it looks like he pinned up IEC's comments as well.
He shared a screenshot of the updated tokenomics.
So if anybody wants to look at that,
but we're gonna go ahead and move on.
The debate earlier on AOF,
if anybody's just tuning in was absolutely electric.
So wanted to make sure that we put a ribbon on that one.
But we're gonna do a couple of things.
We got our favorite moments from gamifieds past.
If anybody has one that they wanted to share,
I would absolutely love to hear from some of the panelists.
I've got a few awards to give out,
but I'm gonna read some of the ones that people submitted.
A lot of people say they love the intros,
which always is a key to my heart.
Somebody's particular said it felt like they were getting
ready for a boxing match every time the intros happened.
And I thought that was really cool.
So I got to make people fight a little bit more often.
Magical moments of fun banter and memorable quotes
or Koji's daughter having irritable bowel syndrome.
Just amazing moments that are unforgettable.
A lot of people submitted,
you can't iterate on an open economy, you fuck.
And I think that, as somebody said,
I think that set the tone for the show
because people became much more candid,
had deeper conversations, et cetera, after that,
which definitely, it got a little bit weirder
after that moment, for sure.
Way, way back in the day,
it was like episode 10 or something.
Paul and Elisa were both on the show.
She said, or actually both of them at the same episode
gave out essays and like books.
There were recommendations
and somebody said they absolutely loved that.
They actually ended up reading all of it
and they felt like they gained so much from those two hours.
So huge shout out to that person
for actually following up and reading the things.
And then, of course, Paul and Katie
were mentioned quite a few times.
And specifically, the story of,
it was like the second story time we ever did.
Paul selling words with friends for not $20 million,
but instead $180, which I mentioned in his intro earlier.
They said it wasn't the awe of him earning that money,
but instead hearing how he felt coming out the whole time
he was getting flown out to feeling depressed
about knowing he found something special,
but it was in a time in his life
where everything was changing and money was getting intense.
And he had to part ways with that piece of him
It was a really touching story to be honest
and makes the achievement far more interesting
And then a few people said each episode
always has a favorite moment, which really touched my heart.
So I'm gonna send it over to Doug
from Trapnul as his hand up.
Yeah, I'm gonna get my favorite moment,
but please, Sam, if there's anyone
who picked like one of me in a moment, send it my way.
I imagine there's like two or three maybe out there,
Getting cocky, Doug, getting cocky.
I'm working my way out past the one finger.
But my favorite moment was Sin Jin and Jonah
when they butted heads on stage.
And the reason why was not because of how hilarious
that whole moment was, but I was actually like,
I consider myself good friends with both of them.
And I was friends with them during that when that happened.
And I literally, I remember sending a DM
to like both of them to remediate and to make them friends.
And then they became friends after that moment.
So it just kind of like, I don't know,
it just sticks with me and I always think about it
and just laugh back on it,
just because I was kind of like the friend in between
that was like, hey guys, you actually both love each other.
You don't need to fight publicly like this anymore.
I never got that email, man.
Well, Paul, your favorite moment.
I actually just had to echo one of the things
that you were pointing out, Sam.
Early on, I just might've been my first or second episode.
But both Nock and Sinjin, especially Sinjin,
really like, I was just feeling my way through this.
Like it was my first real web three Twitter space
participation, to be honest.
One of my first Twitter space
participations at all really was gamified.
I didn't know what the tone was gonna be.
I didn't know what we were there for
and the kind of way that we were gonna have
these conversations, how candid are we gonna be?
Are we gonna be kind of expected to just sit here
And both Sinjin and Nock just clearly laid
any of those fears and anxieties I had to rest.
It made it super obvious that we were here to drop truth,
that we were here to share our authentic experiences,
to try to help others, to try to lift up other projects,
other founders, to really connect with the community
and the audience here and share insight
and into what we're doing in an honest and candid way.
And I am so grateful for you guys
kind of setting that example and letting me know
that that's the way that this show is gonna be.
And from that point forward, I keep using this word,
but like, Sam was asking me and sent out
like a bunch of questions about Gamified for us as founders.
And for me, if I had to pick one word
from my experience on Gamified, it'd be learning.
I have learned so much almost every single week
into the other founders, panelists,
and now with the comment threads that are happening,
because that wasn't really happening initially,
but I mean, look, we're up to almost 500 freaking comments.
And I get to see all those happening
in live while we're on the show.
Like, that's like such a unique thing about this format.
And I come away every show with insight
from my fellow panelists and from the people in the audience.
And there's like, it's just like invaluable,
like irreplaceable asset for me
as a founder working in web three
to be able to have this space to do that.
I don't think any other shows like that,
where like I could legit say,
like most of the other things that I participate in
are promotional or kind of there to help, you know,
drive marketing for the project or whatever.
And that honestly is just a side effect
of what happens on Gamified.
The core value of it and the utility of the show
in terms of insight and learning
is really what the heart of this entire show is about.
And that's so crazy, Sam.
Like, I mean, because honestly,
like we're all here to also make a business out of this.
And it just speaks to the same kind of thing
that we're trying to do on wildcard
where there's like this element of obviously commerce,
but at the heart of it, what we're really trying to do
is bring joy and connection into people's lives
That's always been true about my career
and especially Katie and I's focus now
is like it's not driven by the money,
it's driven by our passion to create that joy
and connection with people who experience our products.
And that heart is here for Gamified
and that's what has kept this show on track.
And honestly, I think is the true reason,
despite all the other things that you've done, Sam,
and everybody else contributed to help this show grow,
the real reason it has is that authenticity
and the fact that we get that real value out of it.
So I just had to say that, especially on our anniversary.
On our anniversary, dude.
Yeah, me and Paul's anniversary is today, it's amazing.
Nod, I always have to reflect that back to you guys
because I can ask all the questions in the world,
but without you guys feeling comfortable and being honest,
And it just, it's changed my life.
You know, Syngin setting the tone,
like we talked about a minute ago,
Jerry bringing some brevity to all the times that he did.
And actually, let's get into the awards.
What I want is for you guys to,
if you have anything to say about these awards,
they're not the most amazing,
but I think they are prevalent.
Mr. Syngin, of course, wins the Iron Man Award,
47 fucking consecutive episodes, Syngin.
Thank you so much for what you've done for Gamified.
I just wanted to have a moment to acknowledge you.
Any acceptance speech from the man?
The first time that's ever happened.
Wow, I can't believe he's speechless.
That was actually- Mission accomplished.
I'm retiring after the show.
Up next, the comic relief.
It's voted by the fans, obviously.
we don't have Tony anymore.
So it's kind of weird now,
but it was going to be the get a room award
because all they can fucking do is say,
I'm so glad to be best friends with Koji
because I love his product and it is Project
you've now ensured that I'll never tell anybody
But thank you for having me anyway.
The most passionate award, of course,
you know, has got to be prolific.
Okay, well, I guess I'll just have to keep
bringing the Barbie then.
And then I'm happy to do that.
I, as I mentioned earlier,
I draw my energy from the show,
from everybody giving me the positivity back
and talking about how much they value
the things that I've been able to add to the show
and the stories I've been able to tell.
I guess that's the benefit of being an old guy
that's been doing this for a while.
But as I mentioned earlier, I love you all.
I will continue to bring that passion this year.
Times 10, actually, because as I talked about,
2023 was just us warming up,
but 2024 is the real game.
So we're gonna have some fun this year.
If that's been Paul at 10%,
I don't know if I can handle Paul at 100%.
This might've been a huge mistake.
And then this has been a joke forever.
Icy has been calling himself
the number one unofficial fan of Gamified.
And I wanted to make it official.
So Icy is gonna be the number one official fan
Huge shout out to what he's done.
He's been doing bingo the last few weeks.
This week he's doing like a scavenger hunt.
The level of support he's provided to me as a human
and then also to the show is just incredible.
So I wish Icy was up here to be able to accept his award,
but know that I love you, buddy.
This one, of course, the king of DDM.
We gotta make that one official too.
That one's going to Animositas.
The man has been on an absolute tear with that game mode.
Apparently it's gonna be retired soon
because everybody fucking hates it.
Enjoy while it lasts, brother.
Yeah, I feel like this is the way to go out there, right?
You go out on top of a league that's about to crumble.
So no, I really appreciate it, Sam.
I have to say when I shared one of my favorite moments,
it was taking that leap to make a comment
about a three-way in a public forum,
which for those that don't know my background,
I was an HR manager for a decade.
So that was probably the most outside of my comfort zone
But thank you and Game of Fight for giving me the chance
to flex my wings there and take off in those early days.
Let's get a little DDM on the panelists there, Animositas.
Sam, maybe one of the next episodes.
Yeah, dude, let's smoke some of these fools.
The most loyal award is gonna go to the wolves now.
And Peyton is gonna win the glue award.
These are kind of combined.
Peyton and the wolves now helped create
so many of these relationships.
Paul Bettner, Koji, Brian DeSanto,
Sinjin and I might've already been in touch,
knocked like a lot of these dudes came to me
because of Peyton and my relationship with the wolves now.
And this show has only become what it is with these people
because of both of these, the organization
and the man behind the organization.
So I just wanted to take a minute and say huge shout out
to them for being the glue, not just for this space,
not just for the wolves now, but for all of web three,
like what they provide is so immeasurable in my opinion.
And I say that as humbly as I can being a member
and one of the admin over there.
So huge shout out to the wolves now.
And guys, I gotta jump into it.
Well, I mentioned this briefly too,
but the king of the comments goes to Yap.
He's absolutely been crushing it lately,
but it's also gotta be McChillin, Steppes,
Crypto Actor, Jaxie, Etherway, Nico, Nott and Samurai,
Kai, Maddox, Cypress, Phoenix, AE,
Pirate Master, Murdoch and so many other people.
Also huge shout out to the panelists
that every week are down there
making it even more educational and entertaining.
It just means the world to me.
I'm also getting word that Mr. Oliver Maroney
has given us an open CGG hoodie to give away,
which is absolutely awesome.
Make sure you follow my Twitter.
I'm gonna give you guys ways to win a wild pass.
We might even do another shrapnel operator.
We got a bunch of stuff to give away
as well as that open CGG hoodie.
So make sure you look out for that.
I wanted to double down on the wolves now thing.
Also real quick, Sam, I know we're all sharing the fields,
but like, you know, there's this book
as people are talking about book recommendations.
It's an older book called The Tipping Point.
There's some things in it that have been debunked,
but one of the things that book talks about
is how you look behind any success
and you'll find one person or a small set of people
who are what they call connectors.
Like these are the people that actually bring everybody
into the room together and wolves now 100%
has been that for us and for so many people we've met here.
So yeah, huge shout out to Peyton
and what wolves has done and continued to do.
Like they're even better now a year later
than what it was, the value that they're bringing
to our projects and I think the whole ecosystem.
Appreciate you saying that.
And I am hesitant to say this myself
because I don't want his DMs to be absolutely flooded,
but Peyton is maybe the single best connector I know
It's fucking amazing what he does for people.
So huge, huge shout out to Mr. Peyton.
And he now has his Twitter account back.
So you don't have to worry about getting hacked anymore
if you click on one of his links,
just be careful out there.
Shrapnel's dubbed, your hand is up.
Yeah, sorry, just a two for really quick.
I just wanna say Sam, truly gamified, changed my life.
If I didn't join it, I truly believe
that I wouldn't have ended up where I'm at
And for that, I'm forever grateful for you, buddy.
And in celebration of that, I sat Tony down
during one of our game tests
and had him actually streaming create content.
I just pinned it, but we have some Tony shorts
of him playing Shrapnel and it's freaking hilarious.
Sorry to shill, it was just something I'm really proud of
and I think everyone will enjoy
in celebration of all this.
So happy that you are with that amazing team now
and if it's Tony content, I'm always down.
So thanks for putting that up, knock your hand is up.
Yeah, I just, in the spirit of your earlier comment
about book recommendations, Paul just mentioned an author
that is very near and dear to my heart
and somebody that I think everybody who enjoys this space
So Google Max, I think it's Malcolm Gladwell
is the name of the guy who wrote the tipping point.
He wrote a number of other books.
I just posted a picture in the comments
of like all of his books.
They're fucking incredible.
If you like this show, you're gonna love the content
that's within those books.
Yeah, well said a lot of really great looks
at human psychology and behavior through those.
As we lower our weapons and conclude this exhilarating
journey through Game of Five,
let's unleash a thunderous tribute to the Titans
that have paved the path for us.
In the vast realm of FPS games,
Shrapnel stands as the ultimate commander
orchestrating an arsenal of artillery
where every tactical endeavor weaves a tale of turmoil
and triumph amid the echoing cacophony of explosive shells.
Now it's your turn to embark on an epic expedition
to shrapnel.com, suit up in your digital armor,
load your ledger with coveted loot,
and lock in your coordinates
for the next combat conquest.
Dub, do you mind if I say to people,
if you go to the pinned tweet and comments
that's all work for me and Tony loves to do that.
It's called 15 Sigma is what it looks like
So if you wanna get an extraction pack,
go raid that, tell people you came from Game of Five
And as we conclude our exhilarating expedition
through Game of Five, let's not forget the Frosty Fortress
that underpins our thrilling journey
through the future of finance and fun,
Avalanche, the official blockchain of Game of Five.
Let's unleash our resounding applause for Avalanche,
our polar pioneer, fearlessly carving crystalline paths
through the unwavering strength.
Avalanche empowers us to navigate the digital landscape
with the warmth and wisdom and waves of entertainment.
Take a page out of Avalanche's book, my fellow adventurers.
Stay cool, stay curious and mark your calendars
for next week at the same time and the same place
and a huge shout out once again to the audience
that got us over 500 comments.
You guys are absolutely amazing.
We make this show for you guys as well as these panelists.
So thank you guys so much.
I can't wait to run it back next week
and a huge shout out again.
Avalanche and Shrapnel are the official sponsors
for an entire year of Game of Five all of 2024.
We're gonna be running it back and I can't wait to do so.
I'll give a quick shout out to everybody on the panel
Of course, Coop behind the Avax account,
the absolute beast of Twitter.
We got the Wolves down, always co-hosting.
Shrapnel, Dubb, Tony, Saigo.
There isn't a better team in Web 3.
Bride to Santo, absolutely crushing it.
Infinigods, we got King of Destiny.
There's so much cooking that he's told me about
that I can't wait for everybody to find out.
Koji with parallel and colony AI.
I'm absolutely stoked to get my hands back on that one.
Wild Paul, always crushing it.
Not only on this show, but of course,
the wild passive and cooking
and they're one of the best games in Web 3.
Knock with the newsletter and always bring in knowledge.
Appreciate you yet again,
being sick and coming out for this show.
Animositas has been far too long, my friend.
Thank you so much for coming
and celebrating with us today.
Sinjin, the Titan of Taboo.
Huge congratulations on that 88 mint of a black card.
I think that that might be one of the biggest value buys
right now, of course, not financial advice,
but I saw, I asked somebody what they were going for
Of course, there's not too many of them,
but it's a little bit crazy to me.
Jerry, my man, of course, also with Meiji, always crushing it.
Thank you so much for bringing some brevity to the spaces
and Lambs, the co-host with the comos.
Can't wait to see you guys.
Same place, same time next week.
Game of 5.52, that's a wrap.