hi ac crypto hi haze hope you guys are doing well hi ob hope you're well let's give it a few more minutes for stephanie to join as well because she's going to be stealing the show today Thank you. There she is. Hey, Stephanie.
Oh, I should put on my...
Sometimes when I get a call during these things, I can't find where I am anymore.
So, I'm just letting you know.
I forgot to turn my phone off.
Hello, Akeem, Obi, Hayes, Lexica Fix.
I'm doing great, doing great.
I have all kinds of notes with me today.
So as long as I can remember the basic things of what to say to everyone, I think we'll be fine.
I think I will run out of time, so you have to kind of keep me marching along.
No issue whatsoever. I see Kieran has joined as well.
Yay! Kieran and Ginger and we have a listener, a Blue Gem listener, one healthy lucky one.
So usually, for those of us who are new, we usually wait a couple minutes and then we'll get started soon.
And it's very casual. You know, I just sit here and chat and sort of talk over things out loud
Is anybody else saying anything?
Can we get Kieran up here as a speaker?
Yeah, I send him a request.
So I guess it's still pending.
He's probably on his mobile saying, I'm just listening.
I might need his help today.
We've got a couple announcements.
thanks everyone for joining again for our community hangout. I see Brave has joined as well, which is great.
Okay. And Kieran is the speaker. That's awesome.
all right so today stephanie uh like we'll talk a bit about uh the the let's call it the history
of geek where we came from uh what's going on and what's next right yes okay so like for uh
for people in here uh i see a few that hasn't been with Geek, because Geek has been here for six years already.
Could you briefly make a summary on the start of it all?
I don't know about brief, Robbie.
Like I said, I have notes today,
and I may wander around a little bit,
but let me at least give a framework
for how to think about this hour, which is that we started, we had a small idea in our heads, an important one.
We sort of followed that to its conclusion.
When we got to the end of that road, we saw that there were a whole bunch of corners left to explore.
So we kept going and we kept going.
And this has led to breakthrough after breakthrough.
And we finally come out the other end.
And so I'm really happy to talk about that.
Where we came out is not where we expected to come out at all, but I think it's
immensely important, and for those of you who are tuning in, just to understand what we've been
doing and whether it will be useful, the bottom line is this is going to be incredibly useful because we have the only universal protocol that will stand up there is a way to say we are heading for AI.
We are not smart enough as people to expect to be able to avoid all the pitfalls of AI.
But that's okay because we have geek to make sure that we're going to be secure, even when everybody else is trying to fake us out.
And the gas for this verification protocol,
the only way that we will be able to tell real from fake at any point,
whether we're on our phones or not,
whether we're in touch with
blockchain or not is going to be by using the geek token on geek chains so
that's where I expect to end up that's where the rest of this direction for
ever and ever and ever will be and the rest is implementation and execution and I would love to tell you about
the history of how we got here.
So here's the history with the benefit of hindsight.
We're now starting to call ourselves Geek Corps.
And that is the group of us who have been working on this since the beginning.
And we are really technologists and economists that see that the economy is changing.
We're going through bubbles at a rapid pace.
The AI bubble is going to explode, I'm sure of it.
And there is just not enough fundamental infrastructure
to support the kinds of innovations that are going on.
So the Geek Corps, and I'll speak for myself,
we do really unsexy work.
It's really painstaking, like, you know, picking up the pieces and making sure people don't go
off the roads kind of work and then we want to go to a community-owned future
one where the work is not just on our backs, but it's actually a way to invite other people in to take what we've done and grow.
So we're going to make that transition today to bridge those two stories.
So what I've realized is that I'm old enough to have seen the internet grow through the first phase or two,
Web 1 and Web 2, I guess you would call it.
And the internet was built to move data.
But it was not built with safeguards in place.
It was not built to be accountable so that you knew who was moving the data or what data was being moved
or where it was going or when it was going to arrive or had gotten to the other side.
And it turns out those questions are really important.
But let's move on to Web 2.
Web 2 optimized for eyeballs, right?
I don't have to repeat the story.
You've heard it a million times.
But we've been living in this attention economy and all that has mattered have been clicks.
You click on that ad. click on that ad click click click everybody
wants you to click because they're making money off clicks and that's
really stupid because in this day and age you have no idea what's clicking on
your link if you're trying to sell something or who is trying to put that juicy thing to click in front of you
so it's been a an internet that's been unaccountable you have no idea who what where and when
and an attention economy that's been unaccountable because all they're measuring is clicks. And what we've come to understand is that in order to function,
You need to know who your customer is.
Verified clicks are what matter.
You need to know which account you're talking to.
Verified accounts, authenticated accounts.
So these very basic questions of who are you interacting with?
Is it an account you want to interact with?
Is that something that you want to see?
Where is something going? Are you going to the right website
or are you going to again a fake and when is the message going to get to
someone there's a really basic questions in the shorthand for this is you need receipts for what's
happening okay so every economy needs receipts and that's what geek provides
so we need a method which does not depend on trust because if you have a trusted party
who's giving you the receipts they could bill you for a thousand dollars that you
didn't spend right and you'd be helpless so we need a trust less a zero trust
method that's available to us for any digital interaction.
We need it to be neutral so nobody can corrupt it. And we need it to be
based on cryptography. Because as John says,
AI is here and cryptography is the only thing
So to go back to the bottom line,
It has built a universal protocol
based purely on cryptography,
the most stripped-down blockchain.
It's a layer zero, trust cryptographic method of sending information
data assets where you know who
is sending them to you or who you're sending these transactions to.
You know exactly what they are because they're defined as an asset on chain
and you can read them in human form.
It's not that they're off chain somewhere in some kind of vertical tree, right?
You actually know what your assets are on Geek.
Where and when is a little trickier
because it gets into zero trust security,
But if you need a receipt,
if you need to know what you're doing on the internet,
Geek is the protocol that will do that for you.
We've built it so it's invisible, like electricity.
It'll just be there, and you can tap into it.
You can move your data using your apps. You don't have to use a smart contract.
It's just the thing that we really need right now to keep ourselves safe.
And the token is the gas to get receipts.
So I think that's useful.
I think that's useful. I think that's really useful, and I want to thank people for coming in as I've been talking.
It's really great to see both supporters and some skeptics here,
because I really want this chance to convince you that we are through the other side,
and this is really useful and you know
the protocol doesn't discriminate.
You can like me or not, but this protocol is going to be useful for you.
Okay, so just a quick view of the meandering path, because I think when I come here and say we're through to the other side, some people will say, well, what took you so long?
And then tell you again that this is really useful and the Geek token is going to be the gas for a verified economy.
That every time you want a receipt, you will need to use Geek.
There will be some forgiveness here because it's a good message all around.
I will explain it and this is where we're ending up.
And this is where we're ending up.
Okay, so what happened is we started with this tiny idea that blockchain was interesting because it's a sequence of events.
And sure, we look at all the messages that are transmitted and thought, hey, if we could put those in order and lock them on chain,
Hey, CryptoSaterman, you've heard this before.
And so, you know, we looked at it, or I looked at it,
as a time series of data, you know, like an oracle, a price article.
Wouldn't it be great if we could put that on-chain for reference, and it couldn't be
taken down because this was crowdsourced security, and nobody could censor that?
So that's what we set out to do.
We talked about IoT at the very beginning and figured there would be two things we'd need.
We'd need payments to put things on chain, and we'd need a little piece of data to put things on chain.
And we'd need to make sure that it was first in, first out, and secure.
And that's all we really had in mind at the beginning. Payments, a little bit of data,
first in, first out. How hard could that be? Sounds like almost like Bitcoin, except Bitcoin
is not first in, first out, right? There's mempools and you can alter transactions and so we thought we would be that simple but it turns out that first in first
out and efficiency and multi-chains kept throwing wrenches in the system
um again we got there we've we've gone gotten this all straight now but
we started with payments and the protocol and then we went to
micro payments and streaming micro payments because we thought all of that would be
important if we're going to put iot data on chain
and then we went and took a walk around and talked to people about their data and how would they want to use this data.
And, you know, isn't this great?
We'd have hashes of data on chain and people were like, hashes of data?
That sounds horrible, right?
Nobody understands what a hash is.
A little piece of data, nobody understood at that time that anything in order would be useful
because at the time, I remember there was a VC on Twitter who said,
I don't care about micropayments.
I just want to move big money.
And I'm thinking, okay, it's not our time yet. You know, if all you care is about moving big money,
then we have to keep thinking about this.
So that was a little bit before Solana took off.
and Solana, they really changed the game.
And all these other L1s kept entering,
and pretty soon we were NFT summer.
And so looking ahead we thought well should we think about digital
assets in addition to data because people don't really seem to like the
idea of data on chain very much and so we said okay let's let's think about
digital assets digital assets and data and payments together sound great. And in fact, they are great.
And that's what we'll be releasing first.
So we built the deed and description
framework for digital assets.
And the deed is such that it encapsulates what
the asset is but it follows the standard coin asset transaction so no matter what
kind of transaction you're doing on geek it's a standard transaction all I have
to do is say hey Kieran I'll send you a thousand geek, and I'll toss in an NFT, and they all move by the same transaction.
It's just a send asset transaction.
So no smart contracts, very simple.
But when you have an NFT, you also have a description.
So we made the deed part, like a property deed,
or like a title to a car.
We made that part in one set of transactions so they could go fast from account to account.
And then we put the description of the property in a different part, a different blockchain, a different ledger actually.
a different blockchain, a different ledger actually.
So that could always stay where it was.
And the asset would just go around the accounts,
always pointing back to the description.
They'd never be separated because you'd have the property going around
with the description, always pointing back to the description.
Okay, so I'm taking a little bit of time
because this NFT business took a little while to figure out.
But ultimately, we made it that easy.
We showed it to the community, and that was fun.
And then we took it around to ask people, how would you like this series of attributes?
First in, first out, very secure, easy asset transactions of any kind, coin or NFT.
and you can tokenize anything
because you can make up the description
of what you're going to trade.
And they said, well, you know,
this sounds more interesting than profile pictures
because if you really do what you say you can do,
you can tokenize a house, you can tokenize a physical object.
I want more metadata though, because why would I do this on chain?
I already do these things.
And so instead of telling them about decentralized security, which was my thing for like four
years, I just wanted to talk about security.
You can't argue with a customer.
You know, I know that you need security.
They will eventually know that.
So we had to go back and say, instead of just hashes, we're going to make this more like a database.
And you're going to have as much metadata as you want.
And we can customize chains for you
in terms of how much metadata you want.
And we realized, well, we have a global search function.
We're basically making kind of like a Google page,
except the only thing that populates your Google page
is verified data from the chain.
So all these things were happening.
And I have to say that the detour into NFTs and digital assets
has been the single best thing that has happened to Geek.
Because it absolutely imitates how people think.
They think about individual objects like a file.
And they think about putting more descriptions in that file
and they want to move them in one transaction so we did quite a few things and people have been
here for a really long time have told me about i have listened to me tell them about how you know we realized when you transfer nfts in web 3 somebody can shove an nft
into your wallet even if you don't want it but that's not the way people think in real life
they want to have a say over that and so we built a counterparty nft which means
And so we built a counterparty NFT, which means the recipient has to put on the record that they have accepted, they want, they accept the responsibility of this NFT.
Otherwise, the transaction won't go through.
That's like signing for a UPS package at your door, right?
Both people need to know that that transaction was voluntary
So you know you have the who both people were involved,
the what, the NFT, the where, to which account, and when.
And we kept refining this idea of blockchain so that it could go under any
application to give you receipts. And it was so well defined that you actually knew what you were
signing. And the more we went that direction, and the more I kept one eye out on the crypto world,
the more I saw that what we were doing was really valuable because
everything that we could imagine people doing involved their consent,
involved checks before any assets moved, involved private permissions for data,
permissions for data was human readable then we've made it searchable and we have
API's for integration with other software at geek whereas on the other
hand standards are changing it's really difficult to get something through one regulatory body versus another.
That's not a problem for us because you just fill out the metadata,
and then you read it, and then you search it, and then you filter it.
According to your business logic, people are getting hacked.
The Bybit hack floored me.
1.2 million hacked in a single multi-sig.
And people are saying, you're working in security, Stephanie.
I'm thinking, if you could save 1.2 billion in a single transaction,
then maybe you'd care. So we just kept working along this route of mapping
what needed to happen on chain to how people behave in real life
and completely filled out all the gaps on the digital asset side.
And I guess I'll cut that part short,
because I want to get to the next two pieces that popped up after that,
which is that by the time we got done with that and looked around,
cybersecurity had become a real crisis in certain areas,
and I've always been interested in national security.
So spies, I love spy movies, right?
Things like this, critical pieces of information that we have to keep secure.
And if you just even Googled what hack happened today,
it would blow your mind because there are hacks
of a tremendous scale happening every single day.
So if you read the cybersecurity literature, they will say things like identities are being hacked, business accounts are being hacked.
They're called account takeovers.
There's fraud escalating. There's
armies of bots who are buying up football tickets in the UK, right, Karen, before anybody else gets
a chance to. Same thing happening with Taylor Swift, concert tickets. Just we are getting spoofed and outrun by AI.
AI is helping cyber attackers steal session cookies.
They're wasting all kinds of resources.
And so what does that tell us?
Well, in January and February, we went through a series of spaces saying,
hey, these are all man-in-the-middle attacks.
These are all broken handshakes.
If you get somebody in the middle stealing your session cookie,
that's because there's a middle.
But geek doesn't have a middle.
It is cryptographic account to account.
It never passes through a trusted party.
So the long story short after, and you heard us talking about this, January, February, March,
was working out that we actually have the protocol, the primitives for zero trust security.
It's billion dollar markets in identity management,
in access management, in government.
They're called mandatory access control.
In endpoints, making sure endpoints are safe.
Again, in things like preventing session cookie from being stolen.
We realized that we had something called local public key infrastructure,
public key infrastructure, which is the better version of the current set of security measures
called public key infrastructure that our internet currently runs on.
So fast forward a little bit more.
We started talking about agentic identity and how could we keep those accountable and this is the gift that
keeps on giving because every time we think about a way somebody could get
scammed or hurt online or on chain it comes back to answering the same four
questions can you cryptographically prove
you have the who, what, where, when
of any transaction covered?
Account to account, key to key.
Asset description says what.
Where, again, that's account to account,
whether it's account to the correct website,
when, you know exactly when that happened on chain,
you know that the protocol is neutral,
and you know you get receipts.
And once you get receipts,
that you can verify, you can keep going.
You can just filter out all the noise.
So what Geek does is it says, fine,
there's going to be a lot of noise in the world.
A lot of it will come from bots.
A lot of it will come from other people
who are trying to manipulate them.
Some voices will come from people
who have taken over your friends' accounts.
Absolutely none of this noise matters anymore
because you don't have to just count clicks.
You can count verified clicks through the geek chain.
Yeah, and Stephanie, if I just may interrupt really quickly
because there was not so long ago actually a great example
of where a geek can actually be a game changer
so i think you sent it in the chat with christine as well um uh yeah so like there was a heist in
the vegas trip um from the mgm uh resort oh yeah it's like yeah wild so like an mgm grant employee on linkedin uh so no so someone
found the mgm employee on linkedin impersonated him called the company it department to ask for
a password reset once the reset was granted the hacker reportedly had access to mgm's internal
system in 10 minutes and it was damage of like $100 million.
John and I sit around saying,
I don't know how the world gets anything done
because it is so easy to throw people.
it's worth like almost $10 billion, this company.
You would assume they would invest some insecurity in all these things, right?
There's so many probably celebrities in Vegas.
Like this hacker wasn't even really hacking, you know,
just calling the IT department for a reset.
What the hell? It's exactly department for a reset what the hell it's exactly right Robbie what the hell why isn't somebody fixing this we fix this we really do yeah exactly
so so that's called a um I think that's called a help desk scam a help desk scam is when somebody calls you up and says,
are you worried about your account? Let me help you.
And then this poor innocent person will say,
oh, yeah, I better look into my account.
And they change the password.
And now somebody who's malicious, who is pretending to be the help desk,
has your password and can lock you out of your account.
And there are scams like this where they, it's like the old phone scams, right?
You just have a thousand bots doing this, and if they get five times lucky in a minute, that's a pretty good deal.
It's just unbelievable how much our trust is failing.
Because it used to be, you know, you kind of could tell what a scam was, but now you can't.
Coinbase was also hacked through a third-party credential issue.
unbelievable. So we can solve these things
because we don't have to rely on the same
controls that people had before.
That's all you need to know is
So we had like a quick summary, let's say.
No, but I think it's important as well to,
because there's an update coming, there's an announcement coming.
So I think it's good to well to, because there's an update coming, there's an announcement coming, so I think it's good to have, like,
to landscape a bit, like, what has been going on,
how Geek has been shaped, basically,
by talking to businesses, by talking to people,
by trying stuff, you know.
So I think it's important,
because it gives a context on where we're going, right?
We didn't get here by just putting our heads down
for the last five years and and ignoring everything we have been iterating and iterating about what
is useful exactly um so i mean what what's next stephanie what's next okay well
what i'd like to announce is that we are talking about the first public chain
We are building in some time because we've got all the known unknowns pinned down.
It looks like it will be a tight race to get through Q4, though, so it's going to come out Q1, 2026.
It's going to be the beginning of the verified economy when we get our own
public chain we will mint some of the token on the geek chain, what is the geek token? It is the gas for receipts. Every economy needs receipts.
In the meantime, we're now moving toward a more community-owned stance.
And Kieran is clapping because he has been advocating for this he's been waiting for me for
years to take off the breaks and do you want to do the honors Kieran?
I don't know I feel like you've built up this this massively Picasso-esque picture for everybody to
a Masso-esque picture for everybody to envision.
I mean, this is the thing, right?
We've never been good at breaking news and good things.
We've always found paid successes,
and many people have always said in the background,
you always look like you're building in the background.
You always say wait when what how
when why etc we never talk enough about what's actually going on so yeah okay so you've already
alluded to ignition of geek yep do i call it multi-chain art or do i call it mainnet? Whatever you guys prefer as the words. There'll be an Ignition-based
geek mainnet file chain. This means that Hans is currently in Korea at the token event,
and we are currently talking and alluding to
friendships, partnerships,
whatever you want to call them, working agreements,
talking about soft shilling, however you want to word this.
We're working towards your Geek EVM.
And that, of course, comes in this coming quarter of 2025.
So you will be able to hook into before Geek Mainnet comes out.
You'll be able to touch a Geek EVM testnet version,
so an ignition of what's to come.
So everybody that's been with us so far,
sorry for being quiet publicly.
As Stephanie said, we haven't been deliberately quiet.
Legal constraints have affected many products and many projects that
um have carried on building through the quiet times um with this trump admin as much as many
of us may not like the guy the crypto legislation and the crypto background and putting and
infrastructure and everything around it we pretty much have clear guidance now.
We can almost go wild, become degenerates that many have got away with,
whereas others haven't, and things have broken down as house of cards
Many have fallen because they've hit themselves in the limelight.
We've kept building in the quiet.
We cannot come out of our shell.
So as Stephanie said, as Robbie said, I've kind of kept quiet on these spaces while listening and making sure that things are passing and we're able to build and we're able to do what we need to.
You'll almost start seeing, I mean, hopefully you're okay for me to say, Stephanie, you'll almost start seeing a two-pronged geek out there.
start seeing a two-pronged geek out there.
Everything is geek overall,
but you'll have a geek core infrastructure,
and then you'll have a geek crypto infrastructure.
So we'll carry on appealing to the Web2 world,
as you've all heard us saying.
We don't necessarily market in the places
that you have been seeing, but it's work.
We've now got a foothold,
and we've got attention within the attention economy in web
two and we're now um able to bring web three as a focus on a singular brand and then web two
on another brand all under geek overall but yeah imagine your near protocol and your aurora and
your near as stephanie's uh alluded to internally and it makes sense to break it down that way
you look at us that way geek is going to attack both fronts. It's a different audience for both.
So it's silly to keep our audience in one singular place. We'll kind of fragment out a tad on the audience front of things.
But yeah, we are on the precipice of enabling you to access Geek via EVM enabled connections and what that does mean for
those you developers and people listening that are a bit techy minded that means smart contracts
will give you a way in due time to be able to talk with Geek Core and keep access to security and
swiftness and you know efficiency via the Geek chain be able to encrypt stuff naturally as you
need to bridge in and out of geek evm to come into the ecosystem you won't have to learn something
new if you don't need to however if you wish to deep dive into the geek api documents you've got
success stories such as you know safe keep already that they're clearly able to do so. They love it.
Other projects are obviously not public yet, but they'll be allowed to be talking about in due time.
I can speak for a while, but long and short of it, yeah.
Q4 2025, we're looking incredibly happy with testnet geek,
ignition phase of geek EVM.
And then, you know, mainnet geek or multi-chain geek with a
stripped down set of functions available in q1 2025 2026 sorry don't quote that wrong date
and um yeah go for it yeah it's exciting times i hope you can talk i hope you can be excited That was great.
And so I think this is really something we've all looked forward to in the team because something that I've heard again and again from really well-intentioned community members is,
community members is where's your marketing?
that hurts because I have to stand out there in front of my wonderful people who
know marketing much better than I do and say, look, I'm the one,
I'm the one who's holding them down because we weren't ready and now we are.
because we weren't ready, and now we are.
So now what we really want to do is stop having one stream of messages
that is trying to please too many different communities.
And like Karen said, it'll be more of a two-pronged approach.
There are all kinds of people in our community who know exactly how to
talk to the people who are in crypto, who know EVMs. There was some confusion
about how that space can use Geek and vice versa. So here's the thing. Every economy needs receipts, including people who are using tokens and in liquidity and in smart contracts.
If you want to know what's really going on, you can anchor it to geek.
And I advise you to because who knows what's going on? How things could we avoid we can avoid a lot so that's that's the way it's going to work is we are layer
zero all the EVM world can continue as they have been but they can add add security, and we can level up this world by bringing the receipts.
One of the team came up with this awesome phrase.
It's honesty is the new alpha.
If you are willing to put what you're doing on a chain
that is telling everybody exactly what they need to know.
That's the chain that you want to deal with.
That's the app that is not trying to extract things from you or play the attention economy game.
It's trying to play the value game.
And those are the people we're choosing to work with
through our Geek Labs partners.
And shout out to a girl who's here,
who is a Geek Labs partner.
I think the time is very near right now. You know, a lot of people have been asking when when when now they
know and not only for the the mainnet but also geek evm this quarter still to get familiar with
the ecosystem and everything so i think it's a very great thing. And I think a lot of people will be happy with this.
Let's get everybody on board now.
You know, we're out of the shows.
You know, this could have gone badly.
who wants to go through all this cryptographic detail?
This is not really getting us anywhere.
But in fact, you just have to get the math right
and it can extend to anything.
You do think for whatever reason you want to,
the why is not of our interest.
So who, what, where, when is something that needs to be nailed down,
why you keep to yourself, you know?
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,
if it was easy, everyone would do it, right?
This is such a true statement.
Yeah, no, I'm very proud to be a part of the team as well.
Team definitely never gave up on anything,
especially not Stephanie.
Stephanie, again, you've been grinding for the last half year.
I don't know how you get enough sleep.
But clearly it's working.
So I'll have some magnesium pills from you if you still have some.
Oh, I'll have to go visit you.
We'll all get together for a team magnesium pill party.
I'm very happy. I'm really happy, Robbie and Kieran.
And actually we have a lot of team members
And I know almost everybody here.
And Kieran, you had a current events
ripped from the headline story, right?
We've got the amazing announcement this afternoon from the Prime Minister of the UK
that he wants to push digital ID, but he hasn't spoken to us yet.
And he wants to have everything publicly facing.
Whereas I'm of the opinion that privacy and blockchain, although it's a public ledger, you still need to have that anonymity and that ability to be private where you wish to.
the inside leg measurements or what i bought in tesco's last week and it was you know four for a
pound on soups or or you know how many months i've been living on ramen noodles because we're all in
crypto you know john always uses his bill at the at the alcohol store as as his example
you just know none of your business what I drink. Literally, nations are now on the precipice of dealing with digital IDs.
And the Geek ID is literally a privacy-focused identity key
where you don't have to share anything more than you need to share
to verify yourself alongside all of this stuff. I don't want to put anything more than you need to share to verify yourself alongside all
of this stuff like I don't want to put my date of birth on chain I can't help you people enough
to find it if they look back on myspace or bivo or whatever it was I was on 20 years ago but
it shouldn't be easy to get they shouldn't be able to find everything that's that's the whole
idea of an identity online you know yeah this makes me excited about what we can
offer and also annoyed that some bad actors are going to exploit it like the south korean hackers
that we see out there now right right well we we firmly believe in individuals over
firmly believe in individuals over governments or over organizations.
I'm perfectly happy to help a government be more efficient,
but I am in no way going to help themselves to my data.
So, yeah, well, we can, you know, I always viewed this as it had to be kind of a grassroots movement.
We had to not go to a VC for years because we really needed to do things our way.
We haven't been pushed around by agendas, have we?
Yeah, we didn't sell our soul.
Not sure if you, because we're closing towards an hour,
I'm not sure if, Stephanie, you have something to share as last words.
So we've answered the question of when. When public chain number one, Karen, when Ignite?
I'm going to say it again.
What, public chain? Public, FESnet, EVM.
I'll push for September, but I can't guarantee the end of Q3. It's more than likely Q4 2025 because of token 2049 being such an inconvenient time this year.
And then public mainnet will be Q1 2026 with Geeky VM public instances of Q1 2026 as well.
And the beauty, and I mean the UT in my David Attenborough style,
you've denied that by a voice, is that we are multi-chain.
So if we have protocol updates now,
we just spin up a new code base for people to set along from Genesis.
So if you wish to start a chain early and then there's more features become
available later, you can simply, you know,
set that old chain to one side,
point via a block to a new chain and say,
we carry on from here to Genesis block transaction to there.
So people can audit trial and keep
access to more features as they come available as geek or whoever uses geek labs or safekeep or
anybody else starts bringing products to market you um start using new code base new updates new
nft standards maybe maybe new security protocols maybe new quantum encryption on newer chains,
and you can look back at old chains for audit purposes.
Everything all gets exciting in Q1 as well.
It's exciting, but you brought up two things I want to emphasize.
One, yes, the sort of the idea of interoperability between geek multi-chains.
It's not an issue to say, hey, I have a receipt over on this chain.
Is it good anywhere else?
The answer is absolutely it is.
It's a proof. If somebody wants to look at what you have on chain one and say, do you own that asset based on your record?
Can you show me what you've done?
Now I'll do business with you on chain two.
As long as you can prove you own the account to chain one, which is easy to do, it's a challenge to the key, then you can go ahead and do business on chain two with that good reputation.
And that's exactly how we've set it up for Agentic AI.
Because Agentic AI is not going to be able to be all on a single chain.
on a single chain it's going to be looking at what they did over here on a chain and seeing proof
and then dealing with that either that business or you know a duplicate a clone of that
agent on another chain and so interoperability is easy when you have data and proof
is easy when you have data and proof.
So easy, or hopefully so easy for people to understand
once they get into the little bit of the reason.
You don't even have to deep dive.
There will be products like Save Keepers as I go on about
because I love the fact that Akhil and the team have been around
and have been pushing boundaries with the dev team as well.
But there will be also the possibilities of having
like a singular wallet which has the access to every single type that every single chain
just by changing chain idea a little bit like your rainbows your rb your meta mask wallets
where you just choose what you're connecting to and you use the same address or use the same key
yeah your positions the chain having the ability to multi-seek whether it's at a launch or in the future
having the ability to use you know vaults and access to it that way there's so many great
things about what we're building and we've took our time to make sure we're as compliant as possible
because people's money is at risk and we've always said security and trust have to be at the
backbone of what we offer
and if we had to cut corners we could have launched earlier we may would have given you
some of you a two three four x or whatever that might have been on your investment but there was
the chance of a north korean hacker or however it would have been a bad actor ripping out the
foundations under everybody because we didn't do it right and we missed one building block
at month two instead of making sure everything was at a secure footing before we didn't do it right and we missed one building block
at month two instead of making sure everything was a secure footing before we built up from it
well said well said yep the multi-chain addresses are all in the wallet the that scheme is set this
the transactions are set the validations have been there's been so much iteration to get this right um and we are the only quantum agile chain that i can find so i can't find anything
i keep looking no especially for the chats that you guys have with continuum and
lorix and everybody else just oh exciting yeah yeah yep so time to come out of the woodwork
and thank you so much thank you for having this time with us thank you Kieran no thank you for
having me it's nice to be able to jump in every platform. Yes. Yes.
I hope everyone's excited as we are.
Thank you, everyone, for joining the space.
You know, we're very accessible,
so reach out if you have questions around it.
There's going to be some stuff that's going to be posted along the way as well
to keep you guys educated on everything.
And I hope to see you guys again for the next space.
Yes, share everything and get ready for two different lines of marketing coming out.
One for the Geek Core and one for the Geek EVM and crypto.