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GET PAID FROM SPACES ποΈ
Recorded: June 3, 2023 Duration: 1:29:10Space Recording
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What is up, Stax? Let's get it!
And I wonder if you know what it means, what it means.
How are you, dear?
I love this song. Put it back on.
Let's go.
To find your dreams.
I've been waiting all this my whole life.
These dreams be waking me up at night.
You say I think I'm never wrong.
You know what, what it may be.
Hey, yo, Jaden. Shout out to you, man.
You inspired me to put on Kanye with your tweet today.
And I wonder if you know what it means, what it means.
And I wonder if you know what it means.
To find your dreams.
You say he get on your fucking nerves.
You hope that he get what he deserves.
Word.
Do you even remember what the issue is?
You just try and find where the tissue is.
You can still be who you wish you is.
It ain't happy yet.
And that's what intuition is.
Will you tweet out the room?
We're just talking, y'all.
What'd you say, Stax?
Don't tell them when we tweet out the room.
Yeah, guys.
Welcome, welcome.
Today's session is going to be an exciting one.
A cozy Saturday session on how to get paid from spaces.
We're going to share some things that we saw in the market,
some opportunities that we have in the ecosystem.
So share this with some friends that could be interested in this.
By the way, my co-host, Paperclip, had an emergency.
So if any one of y'all is down to co-host this with me,
just put up a thumbs up and I'll get you that co-host.
I'd appreciate it a lot.
If not, we're going to rock it like this, which is no problem.
So I'm going to play a few more tunes here.
Let's get everyone into the room and yeah, let's get it going.
What you about on an independent sheet?
Trade it all for a husband and some kids.
You ever wonder what it all really mean?
You wonder if you ever find your dreams?
What is up, Paperclip, a.k.a. Mr. Supercon?
A.k.a. Mr. Supercon?
Are you in the mix today?
Good morning.
Yeah, what's up, man?
How you doing?
What's up?
I've been out.
Great music choices this morning.
Let's play one more tune.
Kong, you're like slightly ruggy.
But yeah, and then we'll get to the meat and potatoes of today.
It's about how to get paid doing what we love, which is on spaces, being on spaces and running these up.
There's so many fun ways to do this and we have some opportunities in the ecosystem that we do want to share.
Welcome, welcome as you guys come in.
Please hit the purple button below and go on that retweet to show this some love.
This will be a very exciting session.
Thank you, guys.
This is basic.
Welcome to graduation.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
On this day, we become legendary.
Everything we dreamed of.
I'm like the fly Malcolm X.
Welcome X, buy any jeans necessary, Detroit red cleaned up, from the streets of the league, from an 8th to a key, but you graduate when you make it up out of the streets, from the moments of pain, look how far we done came, haters saying you changed, now you doing your thing, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning.
Good morning, look at the valedictorian, scared of the future while I hop in the DeLorean, scared to face the world, complacent career student, some people graduate but be still stupid, they tell you read this, eat this, don't look around, just peep this, preach this, teach us, Jesus, okay look up now, they done stole your streetness, after all of that, you
Good morning, Web3. We are so excited to have you guys today, thank you for tuning in.
This is a new space, a space that we haven't hosted like this before, and it's purely coming from, yeah, the community's demand, so what do you guys want most? I think everyone wants to make an honest living in this space, and everyone wants to know how to do this fairly and in the right way, whereby you do it sustainably and don't damage your brand in the long term.
There's not a week that goes by without a rug story, you know, and if you have the wrong project on, you work with the wrong people, then this could damage you, and so let's talk about how to best make a living from spaces, from this channel sustainably.
We got Stacky with the hand coming up. Yeah, we're going to welcome everyone up on stage. If you guys want to come up, this is a cozy space, so don't be shy, and let's get going. Stacky, what's good?
Hey, everybody who don't know me. No, most of y'all know me. I don't know anybody who doesn't really, but I'm Stacky Robinson. Hi, how are you? I started Twitter Spaces back during beta, and yeah, I was one of the first users on this damn thing, and I've helped hundreds of people get access to Twitter Spaces, so that's why, hi, you know, that's what I did.
So I've not only collected money from Spaces, I've actually used all the products on Spaces to collect money, so I don't know if you remember the ticketed Spaces or anything like that. I also used that, so I've worked with some projects that were awesome.
I worked with some projects that were shitty, so these are some lessons, basically, that I've learned throughout the process, and how to kind of catch yourself beforehand, before you get to the point of no return, where the money just looks so good, and, you know, you're willing to work with just anybody.
So some of these lessons come from experience, so I'm going to just tell you this, you know, based off of that.
But, so, you know, just to get started, the idea of ticketed Spaces was a good idea, but there wasn't many people using it or even knowing how to use it, you know, and there wasn't enough content, which I think they could have capitalized on that, because if they had content creators showing you kind of how to use the ticketed Spaces.
Right now, I'm trying to figure out the subscriber situation. So, you know, providing just subscriber Twitter spaces to people. So I think this is a good idea, because you have the owner of Twitter promoting Twitter subscriptions to everybody on Twitter.
So not only is, he's showing you how to use it, right? And on top of that, you're getting alerts and things like that. So he's making you aware of the product.
So I think that's, this is now going to become the new wave of making money off of Twitter Spaces. So now how you navigate that is a different thing.
But a little bit back, you know, there's more, there's so many ways to make money, you know, while you're hosting Twitter Spaces.
You can get sponsorships, you can have affiliate links to other, you know, to other platforms.
You can, again, do the subscription model. And, or you can, you know, basically promote your own thing and make money, you know, promoting a product.
So, for example, if you have an ebook, or you have a networking guide, or you have some kind of guide, you know, you can do it that way.
So those are a few ways to kind of do that. So if you have any questions, just let me know.
Let's go, Stacky. Thanks for sharing the wisdom. There's a lot to unpack there.
And there's a few topics that you hinted on already that I have on the agenda for the day that we want to cover.
And yeah, super interesting as well with the paid Twitter Spaces that you want to launch them from the subscription base.
Do let us know once you do, because we'd love to figure out how to provide you with the data from those, too.
This would be like a new thing for us to offer that, too.
Yeah. And you heard it here first. Stacky was here when this thing was in beta.
So you better listen when she speaks.
Jaden, I wanted to pass it over to you. What's up, homie?
Yo, good morning. What's going on?
No, Stacky, it is good to hear from you as well. I feel like I'm in not that many spaces where I could wear like urine.
You know what I'm saying? So it's really, really cool to just hear you speak as well.
And no, it's a good morning. You know, I really appreciate playing Kanye in the beginning.
I feel like I was in a rut this morning. You know what I'm saying?
I feel like I didn't want to get up. I didn't want to really do anything.
I was like I was looking on social media. I was like, screw all this stuff. It's just too much.
And then I saw this Kanye video about like the biggest thing that holds us back is our perception of ourself.
And I literally just played that on repeat for like six minutes.
And I'm like, all right, I just got to get up. You know what I'm trying to say?
And now we're here, you know, responding to some DMs and vibing the space.
But no, this is really cool. This is really cool. I've been I've been thinking about this a lot.
I've been doing spaces not as long as, you know, compared to some other people.
But we've been doing a daily space for about 10 months or 11 months at this point.
I've been thinking a lot about, you know, how to monetize without without extracting from the community.
I am a musician, but I don't like dropping a lot of music NFTs because I don't like I get people paying for things that are within my community,
which is really weird to say. Right. Because a lot of people have different that's when it comes to that.
But I always think about like, could I sustain this? Right.
Because obviously I'm not making any money from spaces. I'm just doing it to like, you know, try us to like provide stuff,
whether it's with panels, special guests, et cetera. But how do I do this sustainably without, you know,
taking from the pockets of the people that are listening that I'm trying to provide value from. Right.
And I think what Stackey said was really beautiful because I'm in the process of that kind of right now of finding a partner when it comes to sponsoring a space.
Right. I think that concept is really cool. It's really difficult. Right.
Because it's like the money could look good, but that partner also has to align with the brand.
And, you know, it can't just be anything. Right. Because it just doesn't make sense.
And then you lose kind of like that trust and and value add to your audience. Right.
So I'm in that process right now. I've done like day to day kind of partnerships.
I haven't done anything long term, but that's kind of the thing that I'm looking for right now.
I saw the paid ticketing spaces and I thought that concept was really, really cool.
I think I didn't know, like if you had that subscribe option that people could get exclusive Twitter spaces.
I think that concept is really cool as well.
But I do always think that, man, I need to grow my audience even more for that to even be a value of it.
Right. So that's something that I'm kind of playing with as well.
But, yeah, appreciate you guys for having this for the space.
Jaden, you're a rock star, man.
If those of you that don't know that don't follow Jaden yet, hit up that that profile and hit the follow button.
And you will not regret it. He's one of the most gifted musicians in Web3 and beyond.
And I always love hearing from him. I think you're really a sharp guy, sharp host.
And so I'd love to see you sustainably, you know, make that happen with the sponsorship.
So I'm glad that you're here. I'm glad we're having the space together.
We're going to pass it over to Stax as her hand up.
And then we're going to welcome Grammy, who's also up on stage, as well as WhizPill.
So over to you, Stax.
So, Jaden, first of all, you answered all your questions, your own questions that you had.
You pretty much answered them. People have to align with your brand first.
One, write this down. I keep telling men to write shit down.
They don't listen. Hard-headed.
Get a pen and paper. Write this shit down.
Because you have the idea. You have the thought.
You know, this is why women is needed.
But you need a pen and pencil.
You need a pen and pencil.
And write it down. Because you're a genius.
You already came up with the idea. This is yourself.
You know, what you're looking for is somebody that aligns with your brand.
Right?
If they don't align with you, they're not for you.
So that's dispersed.
Because they're not going to bring in the audience that you're not going to serve each other.
It's just going to be a waste of freaking time.
So they need, you want to make sure you are able to provide value for them.
And they are able to provide value for you.
So your sponsor has to do that.
One.
Two.
In order to get the value from the audience without charging the audience, if that's your goal, is to get that sponsor.
So that's what you're looking for.
That model.
That money model.
You want to get a sponsor for your spaces.
Do you have to grow more before you do that?
Not necessarily.
But you do have to charge a price according to, you know, what your audience looks like.
So say if you have 25 people that constantly, continuously attend your space, every space, right?
Those 25 people, say they spend $10, you just made $250, right?
Or whatever your model is.
So based off of, yeah.
So if they go to click the page and they spend $250 with your sponsor, then they made their money back.
So you can charge them from, just to start, because I tell people to start low.
Maybe start with a $50 sponsor or something like that.
You know what I'm saying?
Or even, hey, you got a friend that got a company here.
I tell people this, like, you got a friend.
This is a secret.
You got a friend that got a company in Web3.
Hey, say, let me throw your company up at the top, you know, this week for free so that I can get some attention to the sponsors, right?
So you'll say something like, Stathiana sponsored Jaden Spaces this week.
So now people know that you accept sponsorship, right?
So afterwards, they're going to say, well, how can I sponsor your space?
And then you say, oh, I'm glad you asked.
I charged $50 for sponsors.
$50 is not hard for anybody, right?
A lot of people who have businesses can afford $50, so especially small businesses, because they may be a target audience at first.
So you charge them a smaller amount.
And then you go, you have made, you have started the income train, right?
That's your start.
So now from there on out, you're now building up.
And you're keeping your contacts, everybody, because you want to keep in constant contact with your paying customers, right?
So you're building your contact based up, you're putting, you're doing everything you're supposed to do.
You're providing value and all those other things.
And boom, you have consistent sponsors for your space.
And maybe even now they want to spend more.
They see your show growing.
You say, well, you know, the price went up.
Hey, we charge $150 a week now, or we charge $150 a show.
And they'll say, okay, we see that you provide value.
We'll come back to you and we'll be willing to pay more because we're getting a sales base off of what you're doing.
So the sponsorship model works out, but you have to make sure that the sponsors are beneficial to you.
You stay in constant contact and you provide the value that they're looking for.
So at the top may be like Jaden Space is sponsored by Squarespace.
You know, and Squarespace also wants you to post their photo on your timeline once a month.
So now you're figuring out what your pricing looks like, what you're offering people.
And that way your audience still gets value for 100% free, you know, but you are still making money and you can still continue to do what you do.
But that's like the sponsorship situation if you're sponsoring just the Twitter spaces.
So I think that's the way to go.
I want to wind it back and re-drop the alpha because Stacky, you're coming in hot.
I love that.
It's the freemium model applied to hosting spaces, right?
So a lot of the software that you guys use, you always have that little gateway drug.
And I think you can do the same as a host, just like Stacky just explained, right?
You can pin it up top for free.
What I did with my personal account, we got some sponsorship requests that we had coming in.
I said, actually, right now we don't do paid sponsorship because I still didn't know what the value was of the show.
I didn't want to price the show.
So I said, but what I can do is I can give you a little freemium.
What I can do, I can have you on.
We can talk for a segment or so about your project, about what you're doing.
And then afterwards, I give you the data and we see how much it brought you in value, right?
Because you want to work backwards from that.
You want to see what value have you provided and then price it later.
So that's what I did.
But love that take, Stacky.
We're going to route it to Grammy and to Whizpool just to say hi and make sure that the stage is introduced.
What's up, Grammy?
Hey, what's good, my guy?
Appreciate the stage.
Big shout out to you, Kong.
Jaden, my guy, I see you, bro.
Whiz, Stacky.
All the listeners down there, shout out to y'all.
And just wanted to kind of touch on what, you know, say what's up and kind of touch on just what Jaden was saying earlier.
Great, great ideas from both you, Jaden and Stacky.
Jaden, I love the freemium model that, you know, Stacky just was kind of introducing and that you kind of made up.
But one thing about me understanding business as a creative is don't be afraid to charge for your value.
I do a lot of stuff for free for people, but I do a lot of stuff that's paid.
So, you know, like the space yesterday was amazing.
That was an amazing space, even though it wasn't we weren't talking about music or anything like that.
It was more therapeutic, but you got to understand to have an actual therapy session, even though it was like group therapy, but still, those are paid concepts.
And so even though, you know, you did that for free, it's like that value is there for you to be able to charge.
It's just that you might not want to charge that much.
You want to stay closer to free if you want it to be free.
But like I said, don't be afraid to charge for your value.
You bring a lot to the table.
And so you can't, you know, don't don't diminish that.
I just wanted to say that.
Jaden, we're going to let you respond to that and then we're going to read to Wiz.
Yeah, no, Grammy, I appreciate you.
And Stacky, I appreciate all your words, too.
It's it's interesting, right, because like I have I've done IRL events and I guess I got sponsors for those.
So I can speak from that perspective and like the idea of like perceiving your own value and putting your own value on a pedestal.
Right. Because like the first, you know, two to three underground violet raves I've done, it was very difficult for me to realize my own value.
You know what I'm saying? And companies can smell that from miles away.
Right. When they think that you don't provide that value, they're going to do everything that they could to take advantage of you, because what are they trying to do?
Right. They're trying to save as much money as possible.
And it was weird for IRL events.
It was after two to three events where I was like it kind of just switched like a mentality where I was like, OK,
I'm the one presenting value to you guys. Do you guys want this opportunity?
It's not like me trying to like beg for like, oh, like give me sponsorship money.
I need this to run the event. It's more so of like it's honestly maybe something as simple as just changing the wording.
Right. Where it's like, OK, listen, I'm trying to find one sponsorship.
There's many different opportunities for that. Do you guys want this opportunity?
Because if you guys don't, this opportunity will get, you know, will be given to another company.
And that's simple. Like, I guess, like mentality switch, it definitely landed me a lot more opportunities.
And to your point. Right. It's like they wouldn't know. Right.
Unless you actually make it be known. Right. Like sex, kind of what you were saying as well.
Wait, do you prefer stacks or stacky? You know what I'm trying to say?
You could listen. Stacks is just short for stacky. So it's like a nickname of a nickname, you know?
OK, because I was like deciding which one to say. And I was like, OK, but it's it's weird because, for example, content creation.
And like I was, you know, wanting to do content creation for companies.
It was something as simple as a tweet. I tweeted out saying like, oh, I don't understand why more, you know, companies in Web3 are not creating short form video content.
It's leaving so much upside off the table. Just off that one tweet alone, just sharing my thoughts, like three companies reached out to my direct messages saying like, oh, we would love to explore this idea with you.
But that would have never happened if I never just kind of voiced my opinion or make, you know, made it be known that I was thinking, you know, along those lines.
So, no, I think that's interesting. Yeah.
And Grammy, what you also said, don't be afraid to charge. Right.
You have to think about at what point of the funnel you want to charge.
What are what other value do you provide in other channels? Right.
Jaden was just highlighting the tweets that he has been doing.
And Jaden could probably also charge for making short form video content for people. Right.
What is amazing about Twitter spaces is that it's arguably one of the best top of the funnel activities that you can do with your brand.
Right. Literally strangers can just get engaged with you in a highly collaborative fashion right away off the bat.
And and maybe you want to keep that free and charge later down. Right.
And want to get people to sign up to your newsletter.
So you have to kind of design a funnel is what I'm trying to say here.
Stacky, over to you.
A funnel. I love funnels. You know that. Right.
So, yeah. Figuring out where you want to charge on the funnel is important.
And so if you don't if you guys don't know about funnels, you know, it's basically what's the levels of the funnels is awareness.
What's the second one?
I mean, I'm not sure if there's a standard one.
There is a standard. There is.
Stacky, isn't the second one powdered sugar?
Or wait, that's funnel cake.
It looks like a fucking powdered sugar funnel.
But, you know, I like I like going down, you know, a funnel base, basically like with each thing that I do.
So basically, you know, figuring out what part of the funnel that you do want to charge in.
And and and this is the thing I was about to bring up my funnel that I just recently did for the Twitter spaces we did.
So I didn't charge anybody for anything.
But funnels are important to get to where you want to go.
Right. So I could have charged, for example, the first part of the funnel is, you know, awareness.
So I want to bring awareness to to whatever I'm trying to do.
Right. So say, for example, the goal is to get the attention of super spaces, A.I.
Right. And I'm like, damn, you know, I want to make sure that super spaces, A.I.
sees me. So now I have all these frickin tweets go out, you know.
So I'm tagging super spaces, A.I., you know, I'm sharing maybe some information about super spaces, A.I., you know, I'm telling everybody to, you know, maybe retweet my tweets about super spaces, A.I.
Because I want your attention. You know, maybe I didn't get it along that funnel, you know, and as I'm going down the funnel, you know, the end goal is to get the attention of super spaces, A.I.
So this funnel gets tighter. You know, maybe I got some connections now. Maybe I know maybe I know Kong.
Right. And I'm like, hey, yo, I need your attention. Right.
So, you know, using all of the things that I've done, look what I did for super spaces, A.I.
And I created a funnel straight to super spaces, A.I. now they want to work with me.
But anyway, you know, that was just something cute.
But anyway, you know, the tweets could have been a way for me to monetize. Right.
Because I can say now, hey, super spaces, A.I., these are the things that I had I've done for you that, you know, generated you some some people coming to your page now or that has generated awareness to super spaces, A.I.
Now I'm going to go ahead and throw this at you like, hey, this is what I can do for you, you know, based off of what I've already done.
So those are some ways that you could kind of do it also.
But there's there's plenty of ways that I wanted to kind of hit on.
What are you about to say?
Oh, I was going to just bounce off that real quick and just say that the biggest thing, at least for me, that I notice is people talk about wanting to monetize in this space, whether that be as a spaces host or as just a content creator on a timeline, whatever that might be.
However, a lot of times when I talk to those people or look into it, they don't even know where to start, nor do they even know what they like doing.
So if you're someone that really likes writing detailed threads or really likes making short form videos like Jaden was discussing, or if you really love hosting spaces, figure that out first, figure out a format for those platforms or those mediums that works best for you and what you like to do.
And that is going to help you start that funnel so much more easily.
For a hundred percent.
If you suck at Twitter spaces, but you're great at threads and you can get like awareness, like, like, for example, the minister of, of whatever the hell his name is, the little stick figure.
Mini.
Mini.
Minister of NFTs.
Yeah, yeah, NFTs.
But he, he's a tweeter, like he tweets, you know, and he replies.
So he can say, hey, you know, his, what would be beneficial for him to monetize his tweets, like he can tweet.
He doesn't attend Twitter spaces like that.
He'll pop up every now and then, but he doesn't talk, but he knows that's his avenue, you know, to, to gain or attend, to garner attention.
So you can charge for that, you know, even if you're not doing it from spaces, but, you know, finding what you're, what you're, what you're good at.
Right.
And right now we're talking about Twitter spaces.
So we're going to keep it on that.
But, um, another thing is we talked about, and I think I, I think I, uh, made a point to when we had a conversation, you guys on, on zoom or wherever we were, we talked about, um, you know, monetizing.
And I think one of the things that I said was I hated PoEps, right?
I hated, I hated the platform PoEps, not PoEps, but I hated that platform because it was so hard to use and things like that.
So I don't know, maybe can y'all, you tell me about like the ToEps that you guys have going on?
It's yeah, we, we can briefly talk about this.
I actually, I want to kind of like bucket this under another channel of potentially monetizing, right?
Because tokenization is a form of monetizing, right?
And just, just this morning we had one of our community members, Panda Mania, he integrated ToEps into his community and he got the first paid offers, uh, for one of his ToEps.
So it's like a game economy that you unleash with the tokens.
And so that's really cool because he basically is token gating his, uh, giveaways based on Twitter spaces attendance.
And so then that, is he here?
Where is he at?
No, I'm going to, I'm going to shoot him a DM.
Yeah.
I'll slide him in DMs as well and try to see if we can get him on to talk about how he's integrating these because it really is fascinating.
But while you're sending him that DM, Fred, I will, uh, talk a little bit more about that as well.
And there's obviously a lot of different ways you can integrate these ToEps and ways to reward your community.
So let's say you're a community that has a native token, maybe as your community reaches a certain level of, or number of ToEps qualified for and collected, they could then burn those, let's say it's five.
They could burn those five ToEps for your community's native token.
Or for example, like what he's doing is he's doing a hundred dollar giveaway, but only to the people that have claimed these ToEps.
And so right now I think he's got like four or five people that have claimed that first ToEps that he did.
So that means they've got a really great, a 20% chance of winning that hundred dollars in that giveaway.
And as more and more people claim, then it becomes a little bit more difficult.
Prizes could change and things like that.
But he's using that as a way to reward the people that are actively participating, or as we like to say, his super fans.
So, Kong, to add to that, once you have an on-chain connection with your people from spaces, that obviously unleashes the potential to do a lot more, right?
So think about how on YouTube, this is actually a fun little example based on the happenings of last week.
What happened last week, guys, with donations in Twitter lands?
People got outraged, right, Stacky?
Yeah, because people don't get it, right?
When you say donations, like, what am I donating to?
You know, it's just not a, it's not conducive, right?
What are you offering?
Like, what are you offering?
In this case, it was tipping almost with Pauly and the other influencers.
It's stripping.
Let me stop.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, it all started with, I think, Borovic, who wanted tips for a new phone, right?
And so he did that, and then that kind of just opened up the Pandora's box, and people started putting up their wallets.
Meanwhile, Paperclip is already getting his wedding funded for next year off of Twitter donations.
And that's amazing because people don't have that in the context of Twitter.
People don't think of it this way.
But if you look at any successful YouTube channel, how much is their tip revenue?
It's at least, it's around 10% was last time when I checked the statistics.
You know what, Paperclip, I'm sorry.
Paperclip.
What?
I forgot you were getting married.
I need to donate to that, too, because that's a wonderful thing.
Yeah, in 2025 is when we got the date set, and I made jokes about, I haven't actually taken any money from anybody or taken donations or anything,
but I did make jokes about setting up a wallet that's like, I'm getting married.eth, go ahead and send funds to it.
You know what I mean?
Just kidding around, because that's what seems to be popular this past week.
No, you really should.
Honestly, like, it's a lot of women out here that will pay for that.
No, because we did before.
Like, somebody was getting married in Web3.
I don't mean to cut us off, but, you know, pretty much people were sending NFTs.
People were sending all that.
So, you know, I feel like a wedding is a noble cause for that.
So, you know, if you wanted to, I don't think anybody would be pissed about that.
But so far as his phone, you need to get his ass up and get a phone.
And I love Borovic, but I tell him to his face, you need to get his ass up and go get a phone, go offer something or something.
I know he made money off of them damn meme coins.
That's hilarious.
Jake, we got you up on stage.
You're new in here.
I want to have you introduced and also ask you a question right away.
Would you tip your favorite Spaces host and maybe who is your favorite Spaces host?
Questions on questions.
Oh, that's a lot of questions.
Who's your favorite Spaces host, Jake?
I don't have a favorite Spaces host.
I have too many.
Am I supposed to stay in trouble?
If I say something, then I'm going to get yelled at by a bunch of other people so I can't have one.
All right.
There's no favoritism with Jakey here.
Not publicly.
Maybe the next question is, would you donate?
Would you tip your favorite host?
Let's say if they issued a kind of a token of appreciation to you, would you claim it for a dollar?
And the dollar gets into their wallet as a thank you.
Yeah.
Is that how this web thing works?
We're thinking about integrating that.
People have been asking us to do that right now.
Two apps don't have this financial technology underlying it right now.
But we can just change the smart contract.
It's your very own contract if you decide to implement it.
And so that's definitely on the roadmap.
Oh, that sounds sweet.
Yeah, definitely.
Jake, tell a little bit about who you are.
Who are you, Jake?
I'm nobody.
Who the fuck am I?
Hello.
Sorry I'm late.
Morf.
Awesome to have you, man.
Thanks for coming up on stage.
You're not late.
You're right on time.
We're just getting Jakey introduced.
He's a bit shy.
But go ahead, Jakey.
He's a racist.
Jesus Christ.
No, God, please, no.
He asked me if I eat dogs.
What?
Dude, don't you remember?
You asked me if I eat dogs.
I don't think that's racist.
Yeah.
Yeah, just because I'm fucking Asian.
What did you do that you were Asian?
You said I'm a white girl.
I'm being framed right now.
I'm being framed.
Anyway.
What a setup, guys.
So straight from that, you know, I'm not practicing cancel culture today.
It's the weekend, you guys.
From the hot takes, Morf, is this the one that you were talking about that had the Twitter
spaces with the toe apps?
No, I don't know that many people.
That's okay.
We were talking about Pandamania.
Pandamania.
She's causing, she caused some Pandamania a little bit, or he, or they.
I honestly am so lost.
Wait, Pandamania sounds like an Asian project, Morf, you must know them.
What the fuck is going on?
Now you're racist.
Fred, come on, man.
Not from the company account.
At least come in on Fred's account if you're going to say those things.
Come on, guys.
It's okay.
Saturday is for no cancellations, guys.
This is just a relaxed weekend space.
It's okay.
Only me can cancel people.
There's no other people can cancel.
You can't cancel me.
You can't cancel me.
Shut up, Jake.
Jake's already canceled.
I'm not cancelable.
Let's wind it back.
Let's keep it central, guys.
What are we talking about here today?
Oh, yeah.
This is going to be a fun one.
We should have came on a regular account.
Oh, Lord Jesus.
Oh, Lord Jesus.
Oh, Zach, you're pretty hot.
But you are, too.
And, you know, I have a thing for anime characters.
Oh, thank you so much.
Okay, okay.
Let Fred rewind it back, y'all.
We're getting out of pocket.
I'm Jake.
I'm from Radio Shack.
I just muted everyone because the train was off the rails, and we got to bring it back.
Choo-choo.
All right.
Guys, welcome, welcome.
If you just tuned in, the craziness is by design.
We're talking today about how to get paid from spaces, and we visited a few topics, a few
channels on how to get paid.
We spoke about, you know, paid AMAs, offering things for free, offering the value for free
of your channel, and thinking about where in your funnel you want to monetize.
So I pinned up top a growth funnel example that you can think about.
But I did want to maybe tap into a few more topics here.
There's one thing that I've seen, and I'm not sure if anyone here has a take on it.
I call it dark sponsorship.
So these are personal brands.
They tend to be big hosts.
They're being sponsored sort of behind the back.
It's not a public promotion to provide a safe space whereby a project or a founder can always
come on stage and talk.
And that's happening as well.
So this also works for speakers.
We've seen speakers being charged.
And yeah, I was curious what you guys thought of that method of monetizing.
We're going to route it to Jaden and to Wiz.
It's so weird.
I didn't know there was like a name for these type of things because initially when it comes
to like Twitter spaces and stuff like when it comes to like Web3 and all of this stuff
that's happening here, I don't necessarily agree with it just because it's kind of like
it's the thing that I was mentioning before, right?
Like you would lose trust within your community if someone found out like, OK, this person is
only kind of getting promoted because he's paying you on the back end.
He or she is paying you on the back end.
But I understand the sentiment because this is kind of the same thing that I wanted to
do with my music on TikTok where it's like I was I used to like like three years ago,
like mass DM a lot of TikTok influencers.
And I was like, listen, I would love to pay you guys to use my song for a TikTok video.
Just don't say it's a sponsor because if someone sees it's a sponsor, they're automatically
not going to it loses the value of the thing.
You know what I'm trying to say?
So it's like I understand.
But, you know, three years later now, I would just say I necessarily don't agree with it.
You know what I'm saying?
Just because it's just like it's not authentic.
You know, I'm actually curious to hear people's opinions who do like agree with it.
You know what I'm saying?
So, yeah.
Yeah, totally, totally get your point here.
It almost like reminds me of the days of Solana Summer where I was in projects where
in spaces where it was a clear paid AMA and you would listen to 60 minutes of shilling
about some obscure project that you didn't want to hear about.
And that kind of devalued the esteem of the host in my eyes.
And so I don't.
Yeah, that's my take on it personally.
We're going to get some people up on stage and we're going to have.
Yeah, all the hands being dealt with here.
I think at first we had Wiz maybe and then we're going to go to the next people.
I specifically wanted to mention the parasocial aspect that lives on the internet in general.
I do think it's important to remember that when it comes to artists specifically.
Wiz?
There is that aspect that can be leveraged in their favor.
And I'm actually very surprised that not a whole lot of them.
Hey, yo, Wiz, can you hear me?
All right, all right, all right.
If you use big words like parasocial, people do not understand.
This is a space where people have two seconds of attention spend maximum.
So please explain what you mean with parasocial.
I don't think he can hear any of us because I don't know.
That's crazy.
He came in and spoke at the right opportunity too.
So it was like he could hear us, but he's just like ignoring us.
I don't think when he's speaking, I don't think he can hear other people.
Phoning to Wiz.
Wiz, can you hear us?
You got to say, you got to say, you can't say the first name.
You got to say, Mr. Pill.
Mr. Pill.
Hey, that's all good.
We can move on.
Morph's got their hand up as well.
And then we'll get to Grammy.
And then followed by Schnuffalo.
I think I said that one correctly.
Yeah, so I think there's nothing wrong with getting sponsored from, let's say, undisclosed, like profiles or projects or corporate in general, especially protocols or whatsoever, you name it.
Wait, undisclosed?
You said nothing wrong with undisclosed?
I mean, like there's nothing wrong with like being sponsored by someone who don't want to let others know the sponsor.
Yeah, but isn't that totally against what the SEC is asking from us?
Like would any lawyer agree with you?
So I know in Web2 content creation, that was a big no-no.
Mistakes were made.
If you were a celebrity or you were somebody.
Yeah, so mistakes were made by Web2 creators.
And now that rule has been kind of set in stone that I'm pretty sure that if something is an ad, you do have to disclose it, whether that be just hashtag ad or whatever that might be.
But they do have to disclose those information.
Can I piggyback off of what Morph said real quick?
For sure.
They don't, it doesn't apply to everybody.
Oh, it rules for thee, but not for me.
Yeah, it really, it really doesn't, you know, and I'm looking to it a little bit more because what happens is that comes from, that comes from the world of, right, stocks and money.
And when you're dealing with all of that, like cryptocurrency and all that.
So it comes from the world of stocks.
You know, that's what SEC, the security, you know.
So, like, when I say it doesn't apply to everybody, I don't think that applies worldwide.
That is also a really interesting point as well.
I hadn't thought about that, but it is a global space.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was trying to say that, but you guys only thinking about the United States.
Yeah, I got you, honey.
Yeah, for sure.
Like, it doesn't apply worldwide.
So we can say that, but, you know, we don't let people go into jail for it.
Like, if I say, hey, my friend lives in Turkey, you know, and they're doing it, like, go ahead, you know.
Or you got a VPN?
Never mind.
This is recorded.
You know, there's this thing in my country called money under the table.
So whatever you do, just shut the fuck up and take the money and do it.
That's why I said it.
Yeah, that too.
We go to jail.
They call us criminals over here for that.
Yeah, that's called black market sales.
Yeah, that's what they call it over here.
Like, over there, like, you know, a little bit more freedom when it comes to certain things.
Right?
You know.
All right.
Moving to Grammy and then to Schnuffy.
I actually lost train of thought.
What was the question one more time?
All right, Schnuff, you go ahead and Grammy, you regroup.
Kong, Fred, thank you guys for letting me up.
How are you guys?
Man, it's a Saturday.
Things are getting a bit out of control.
But it's good.
We're moving.
We're having a fun time here.
How are you, man?
I'm doing great.
I actually have a question for you guys.
How would you promote a paid advertisement from someone's spaces?
That's an excellent question.
We're going to go to all the speakers and everyone has a take on this.
And I can just personally say what I think on this.
I would make sure, and what I see the best people, who I consider the best in the space do,
is they're selective who they associate with in this space.
This is a must.
Right?
So you want to see, do their values align with yours?
And then can you do something long-term?
Because business is for long-term games with long-term people.
And that's when you can get compound returns on any collaboration.
So those are the two things.
Like really vet them.
See if they're right for you.
And see if you can set up a long-term agreement where it's not just one paid show space.
Right?
I think that doesn't serve anyone.
But if you can help them grow in a long-term fashion, I think that's better.
But let's move to the hands.
We got to head to SMS, who hasn't spoken today yet.
And then we're going to head to Stacky.
Hey, what's going on, guys?
I'm at the pool.
So if you hear that music, that's what's going on.
But thanks for bringing me up.
As far as using the sponsor, I haven't had much experience.
But I'm kind of testing the waters out a little bit.
And I'm actually working with the Fox Club.
It's the PFP that is in the background of mine.
It's a community that I kind of relate to.
They've helped me out in some situations.
And I wanted to kind of highlight that.
So I reached out to them and asked them, hey, do you think we can work something out with a sponsorship?
And all the spaces that I have, they were with it.
So I just found that to be the best way to go about it, to kind of share the message that they have kind of curated and shown me.
And it's something that I just want to move forward with.
Now, as far as how to show that, I made a little 15-second clip that shows the projects.
But it says their name up in the front.
And so it's very noticeable.
And all my content that I've been putting out, I kind of put a little image or their PFP or something related to Fox Logistics do that.
And then again, like this, I'm telling you about the project that I'm going to be working with so people are hearing it again.
That's how I would go about it.
And it seems to be a good recipe for success, I think.
Awesome, SMS.
Yeah, thanks for sharing that insight.
Love to see you at the pool, man.
You're doing Saturday, right?
And Schnuffalo, I hope that answered a bit or gave you a bit of context.
And I also pinned up top an opportunity that we have in the ecosystem with the Polygon projects that we partnered with lately for our campaign.
It's called the Voice of Polygon.
Check it out.
If you win, if you are the Voice of Polygon and climb up the leaderboard on superspaces.ai slash polygon,
you will have a chance to go for a paid Spaces host opportunity with one of the seven projects here highlighted up top.
So that's something that we definitely want to highlight in the space because there's many of you that want to get serious about hosting.
And there's opportunity out there.
Stachie, over to you.
Okay, I'm back.
How do you disclose?
I think that was the question.
How do you disclose that, you know, you are being paid?
For me, I, for me, if I'm being paid, I let people know if it's spaces, right, in particular, and it's a paid sponsorship.
I'm like, you know, basically, this is a paid, this sponsorship is paid for by, or this sponsorship is paid for by, or whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
But the vetting process, y'all better be vetting these goddamn projects.
I mean, I'm telling you, from experience, I dealt with a project that had a sketchy, that's sketchy people on their team.
So what happens is it makes you look bad.
So sometimes, I mean, it's to your discretion, by the way, also because a lot of people have opinions about a lot of people in this space.
And, you know, I really don't listen to any of them for the most part.
You know, I do have a lawyer.
I do have a lawyer, so I know what to do and say.
So if somebody is sketchy, I'm protected, you know.
But, you know, I disclose that.
That, also, I do not suggest the purchase of anything.
I never suggest that you purchase anything.
I say, check this out.
I say, check out the Discord.
Check out their page.
Check out, you know, never say, go ahead and buy this.
Go ahead and purchase this.
That's, like, key right there.
That's the key.
You go ahead and start telling people to buy shit.
Stacky, a question.
I'll give you an example, right?
I see a lot of hosts here in this space that actually got Web2 sponsorships, right?
So whether that's, like, in kind with products, coffee cups, mugs, those kinds of things.
And I think there it's a different vibe, right?
Because a Web2 product can't really rug you in the same way.
Or can they?
Because they cannot provide the product.
So like this.
So let's say, for example, it's a coffee company.
You'll say, hey, everybody, go ahead and check out.
Click the link above.
Check out the web page.
You know, go ahead and look around and see if it's something that you like, right?
Or so I don't go directly for buy this.
You should purchase this.
You should.
So I think for me, it's the wording.
So now nobody can accuse you of encouraging them to purchase anything.
Because all you did was tell them to check it out.
All you did was tell them to click the page.
You know, so it's all about, like, wording.
And I've been safe because of it, right?
I'll go say something like, hey, make sure you check out this Discord, right?
Instead of saying, hey, go sweep the floor of this project, which I used to say, you know,
for projects that I believed in and things like that.
But, you know, it's me personally sweeping the floor, you know?
But instead of you telling somebody to sweep the floor for a project, maybe you yourself.
I'll put $100 up.
I'll go ahead and sweep the floor.
What happens is you start posting, like, photos at the top.
Or you go tell your friends, hey, go sweep this floor, right, real quick.
And post it, pin it at the top.
Because I've did that before.
What happens is that encourages other people to sweep the floor also.
And I think I wanted to say, one of my spaces, we got rid of 500 NFTs out of an NFT project in one day before.
So, you know, off of a quick one-hour Twitter spaces.
So, you know, it's power and suggestive, you know, hey, I'm going to do this.
I'm the leader.
This is my space.
I'm sweeping this floor, you know, instead of saying, hey, everybody sweep the floor.
You sweep the floor.
Then your friend sweeps the floor.
Then another friend sweeps the floor.
And now what happens is that that project makes money and they want to work with you more.
Instead of you saying, go ahead and sweep the floor.
So I think it's a power and suggestion versus directing somebody to do this exact step.
And that keeps you safe from any kind of, like, you know, accusations of you're making me buy this.
I would also say, too, is that people can smell an ad from a mile away.
And that is a massive turnoff.
Nobody wants to sit there and be shield anything.
Even how many times do you sit there and watch TV?
And when commercials come on, you get on, you pull out your phone and you turn them out and wait for the TV show to come back to then decide that you're going to put your phone down and start rewatching.
So the reality of it is, is you have to get creative.
And if you are familiar with Instagram Reels or TikTok or any of those other platforms, a lot of these influencers have gotten creative.
The products that they're selling, they're not telling you to go buy.
They're saying, hey, I just bought this new pot and this new pan for my kitchen.
And it's completely nonstick, but it doesn't have any of these bad forever chemicals on it.
And I've loved cooking with it.
And then they'll make a video of them cooking something.
Well, then when you see how good that meal looks that they made in that, immediately you're like, dang, maybe I need a pot like that.
And then you start looking it up and then you start going and purchasing those things.
And so get creative.
Don't necessarily just come out and say, hey, go buy this, go buy my project, go mint this.
But get creative and think of really fun, intricate ways to grasp the attention of the audience or the viewer and make them want to learn more about that product or about that material, whatever it might be.
And that will push them into buying.
We got a couple of new speakers who jumped up on stage, Saki, but you want to end your take?
Go ahead.
No, I just wanted to end.
I'm sorry.
But all I wanted to say was, you know, yeah, just work with people you like.
You know, it won't be fake that way.
I can't be fake.
I just feel like a lie.
So just work with people that you like, for real, honestly.
You sound like a Scorpio.
I'm a water signer.
I'm definitely a Pisces.
But yeah.
Let's go.
Water sign, baby.
No one knows what this means.
Are you guys shilling our signs right now?
I'm a Libra, in case you don't care.
All right, guys, please, come on.
I'm going to mute everyone right now.
Zodiac signs is not a topic of discussions for the day.
Leave that up for Sunday, maybe.
But we got a couple of new speakers up on stage I wanted to welcome.
We have a kid called, well, he definitely has a kid called Beast Profile Pick.
So I'm going to route it over to you and then to Grammy.
Sorry, Grammy.
I kind of jumped you.
But hey, you lost your train of thought last time.
So that's the punishment.
Oh, my bad, Grammy.
But you know, I had to cut in line.
Kid Clive Bunker in the house.
I see my man Jaden in here.
I just want to say hello to everybody.
Lisbon, what's up?
I'm a Portuguese citizen, too.
Let's go.
But I'm a Zorian.
I can't wait till the NFTs be hitting my beautiful land out there.
But I just wanted to come up and say hello, man.
These spaces get addictive.
And I enjoy it.
I'm just up in here vibing, especially if we're talking money.
Let's go.
I'll take it.
Beautiful people out here, man.
The community is growing daily.
I have a lot of friends who are new to this that have been jumping on board daily as well.
We're hosting spaces.
We're doing it all, too.
And I'm just coming in here to listen to how you guys get it done, because I know you guys are pros.
Just wanted to say hello.
And I'm out.
Portugal, stand up.
Let's go.
Yo, first of all, Kid Clive Bunker.
It's a mouthful to pronounce, but I love your vibe.
I love your energy.
I'm half a Zorian, so maybe that helps.
We're based in Portugal.
So I'm really happy to connect, brother.
San Miguel, where are you from?
Where are you from?
Dude, it's my ancestry from there.
I'm going to see Augusta.
I'm going to go to San Miguel for the summer for two weeks.
Let's go, guys.
Awesome, awesome.
I'm going to definitely hit you in the DMs.
Listen, don't be shilling Portugal in here, all right?
This is not a shill space for Portugal.
Speaking of Portugal, guys, we're co-organizing a conference in July called Blockdown.
It's a Web3 lifestyle conference.
If you guys are out here, if you want to get to know Europe in a fun way, Portugal has an amazing ecosystem.
Next week is NFC Lisbon.
We're going to be there.
Hit us up.
Let's connect.
And in July, there's Blockdown down south in the Algarve.
And we'd love to meet some of you there.
That being said, Grammy, your hand must be hurting.
So I'm going to pass to you.
Hey, no, I appreciate that, man.
And Stacky, first off, you sound like you're from the DMV.
I'm from Philly.
I'm from Philly.
You're from Philly.
Okay, cool.
I'm not too far off.
But I wanted to go on basically on what we were speaking about earlier about, you know, how to disclose, you know, whether or not something's an ad.
And I guess my thought process on that is there, you know, obviously we have, you know, different legal restrictions here in the United States on, you know, how we can advertise different things and, you know, how we have celebrities have to post whether or not it's an ad and things like that.
And, you know, there was just recently a Rolling Stones article about Tory and his whole situation, Tory Lanez and his whole situation with his NFT and, you know, how people weren't able to get the NFT from the platform.
And he was like, you know, going really hard to promote it for this platform, you know, that he released it through.
And so that that was kind of, I guess, a breaking point in, you know, that and along with a couple of things were the breaking points and, you know, government stepping in and saying, look, all right, cool.
If this is an ad, you have to say it's an ad.
But I look at it like this.
You know, there are like billboards in Times Square.
Obviously, is everybody, you know, looking up at the billboards?
No, not all the time, but there are a significant amount of people that do look at those billboards in Times Square.
Those billboards are paid ads.
Is the billboard saying that this is a paid ad?
No, it's not saying it's a paid ad.
It's obviously just displaying, you know, whoever paid for the ad.
And so I guess just trying to stay as legally compliant as you can.
You know, it's about like I believe it was Kong was saying it's about just being creative because people are going to know, you know, advertisements.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
As a business owner, I believe advertising and marketing is eminent.
You have to do that.
You have to advertise and market your business.
And it's not all, quote unquote, organic growth from, you know, word of mouth or, you know, just referrals of people coming to you.
So you do have to advertise in some form or fashion, especially when you're being paid and you're that billboard.
But I guess how you disclose it is basically just being creative and trying to stay as legally compliant as you can, you know, while you're doing it.
I think that's the best thing.
And then also, you know, making sure that you vibe out and you've done your due diligence.
Make sure you vibe out, guys.
We can co-sign that.
Definitely also do look into legal practice, legal counsel for when you do these things, especially in your jurisdiction.
So Stoner, over to you and then to Stachy.
What's up?
Good morning.
Good morning.
I actually hosted my first or my second Polygon space today.
And I signed up today or last night.
I can't remember.
It's all running together.
But let's go, Stoner.
Good job.
Talked about what you guys are doing for Polygon.
I think it's awesome.
Obviously, I'm a little biased.
I've got a project that we were already going to launch on Poly.
So perfect timing.
It's almost like we had spoken, but you read my mind.
Super spaces.
So thanks for that.
As far as like regulation and stuff goes.
Yeah.
I mean, the rules are the rules, guys.
The law doesn't change just because you think you live in Web 3.
It doesn't mean you don't apply to Web 2 law.
Now, with that said, they are definitely pushing this towards a commodity is what it's looking like.
So even though it already is, you know how the law likes to work.
But they love to deflect and then come back and act like they're the hero, right?
So some things are going to change here.
You're going to see a lot of cool stuff happening, I think.
And that's what I'm really excited about.
And I think the opportunities for spaces is going to grow exponentially because a lot more eyes are going to come to this.
And Twitter's the spot.
And, you know, it doesn't change.
It's just going to grow.
So I'm bullish.
You love that take.
I think we definitely agree on Twitter being the spot.
Otherwise, super spaces wouldn't be doing what we're doing.
You see, you know, presidential candidates being announced on here.
The numbers are exploding month after month.
And this is something that is here to stay.
And aside from the technical issues, at least we have the liquidity, the volume, the distribution of people, of brands on here.
Every brand in the world virtually is on Twitter.
And so paying a platform on here is something that, you know, everyone should consider.
And so, Stachie, over to you, man.
So I wasn't, ma'am.
So I wasn't so sure about β so I said something earlier.
And I wasn't so sure about what I said.
So I went and looked it up.
And if you just put sponsored, you don't need to put paid or anything like that.
If you just put sponsored, you're inferring that you are being paid for that.
So you necessarily don't have to put paid.
And I was told that maybe last year.
But I just wanted to make sure that I was right so I didn't say anything about it.
But if you just put sponsored or ad, you are inferring that this space, you are being paid for this space.
So if even in language, like if you're saying, hey, you know, this space is sponsored by, you have β they assume that it's being β you're being paid for.
So you won't get in trouble.
Now, if you are bigger and you're doing it for like a big corporation and you may be somebody like a celebrity, just to be safe because of the FTC and the SEC, like our friend over there said, to be safe, I would just say that, you know, disclose that you are being paid somewhere.
Now, mind you, you could do like a β what I used to do is like a little β a cute little post or something, like with a picture of the person you're sponsoring β who's sponsoring the space or something like that on your page.
And then in a small corner, you can say, hey, this space is paid by so-and-so and so-and-so.
Now, somewhere you will have to disclose how much you're being paid for that.
So it doesn't necessarily have to be on Twitter, though.
You can have a website that, you know, people can be directed to to say, you are paid this amount of money.
You were paid this amount of money by this person, you know, on this date, you know, so you can be clear of that bullshit.
So if you really, really want to be safe but you also don't want to look scammy, you know, you can have a website with all that information present for everybody to view.
So β
You need to say how much money that you β
It depends.
It does.
It does depend.
Like, you need to disclose amounts.
Like, it totally depends.
So β but if you're, like, a small influencer, I'm sure they won't bother you on that.
Like, but if you're somebody talking about millions and billions of dollars or something like that, then I would just do it to be safe.
Guys, I have two more topics or questions that I want to route through the speaker panel.
This is a super fun sesh.
I hope it's insightful for everyone.
If you like this, I would love to see you retweet the room so that we can get more friends in here and get more people these insights.
This is something that we do for the first time but there's plenty of opportunity in the ecosystem and we believe that Twitter space is here to stay and you can make an honest living on here.
And so that's why we're uniting here today.
I wanted to ask the question, guys.
I've seen, for instance, with DJ Network, which is an awesome media company in Web3, that they do sort of the podcast model where it's like a shorter segment that gets sponsored, let's say 90 seconds.
And thereby, they can add more sponsors to their show, right?
Because it's just a short segment and it's a really clear proposition.
It doesn't bore the audience because it's not a, you know, one hour paid AMA.
I was wondering what you thought of this model.
I thought it was quite elegant.
You see any drawbacks, any benefits from this model?
Stacky, go ahead.
Don't be tired of me because I know them.
You know what I'm saying?
And I was actually one of the people that benefited from their 90 seconds.
So, you know, I think we were doing something at Stacky Ones that needed a bit of promotion.
I went and talked to them and I got, they said, okay, you know, 90 seconds, boom, do your thing, right?
So, you know, it is beneficial.
It is 100% because they have that, like you said, that podcast model and you get exposure from not only the Twitter spaces, but from the podcast also.
And people do re-listen to it.
So, you can kind of see that it's beneficial for the company or whoever's promoting on there.
And it's also been, because, you know, you get your little, you get a little, especially if you go on there consistently, which is what you guys talked about with the longer contracts, which is something.
Can we revisit that in a second?
But I do think that model is beneficial for both the host and the people that are, you know, that are sponsoring the space.
Now, so far as the hosts are concerned, you know, as long as it, I think it matches with your messages, your messaging.
And for the most part, they have done a good job at keeping it within their community of who, you know, they want to sponsor them to.
And I know Steve and Cap, they do a really, really good job at vetting people because of, you know, Cap is a businessman, right?
That's where he owns a company, he owns a big company.
And Steve has worked progressive in a bunch of other different places, you know.
So, you know, they, I think they know what they're doing in regard, in bunch of, come on now.
But I think they know in regards to, to what needs to be done to vet these people gets done.
So, you know, just making sure you vetting people and, and they're not just shilling garbage on your space, you know.
So it'd be beneficial for them, for the audience also.
Awesome.
Let's welcome some new people up on stage here.
Uh, we got Jim and E.
If you guys want to get introduced, get connected with people, this is your chance.
Take the mic.
Otherwise, we'll route over to Grammy.
Well, good morning.
Uh, one of the best ways I find to get paid is to give away everything that you have.
What I mean about that is that I was failing for about 12 years.
And then I decided to start all altruistic, 100% free, pro bono, giving away world-class skills.
And I love your chart.
I copied it and spread it throughout some communities.
So I hope I have your permission.
Um, but I'm involved with the state of Arizona.
I'm involved in national political campaigns.
I'm involved in worldwide charity causes.
All because I gave away free and Twitter spaces.
You know, for example, Arizona's got a terrible education system.
And we're competing with Mississippi and Louisiana for the worst school system in the country.
So I took some of my friends on AI spaces and I said, with this chat GPT, could you take Dr. John's book and flesh it up there and come out with a three-minute presentation for me to give in front of the Board of Education for the state of Arizona?
Boom.
Right away, they did it.
I stood up, gave my presentation.
The supervisor sat down, superintendent, sat down with me, chatted for five minutes, said, I can't give you what you ask for, your one-hour Zoom meeting, but I can assign my top curriculum guy and he will listen to you and report back.
The next morning, the governor called her office and said, Katie would love to meet you the next time you're downtown Phoenix.
So since then, my business, the stuff that I actually sell, has gone through the roof.
So the freemium, give-it-away-free generosity, to me, that's the best model on spaces.
See, this is why I love Twitter spaces.
You have people from all over the world with all sorts of experiences and backgrounds come up here and share their wisdom.
Thanks, Jim, for sharing this.
I love the story and love to hear it.
This is a new take, and I think this ties into something that I've been thinking about as well on how to do it from my personal account because we started hosting last week every day.
And what I plan to do is I'm actually going to launch a toe app collection.
I'm going to do a toe app drop.
This is the first time that I'm speaking about this in public.
But what I want to do is I want to do a rev share with it.
So I want to say, okay, out of all the people that hold my toe apps, 50% of any sponsorship that comes in in any shape or form gets distributed to you guys.
And so that's how you build Decentralize.
That's how you build together.
And this kind of gets β yeah, it's kind of related to that.
What do you think, Jim?
I think you're absolutely right.
Since day one, I've been building a global organization called MBVP, which is Mutual Benefit Virtual Partners.
And I pay my partners 30% commission.
And they don't have to do a darn thing.
All they have to do is give me a lead that turns to the sale.
And as a result of that, I have one of Google's top 50 ambassadors, you know, the girl that they fly to headquarters and treat like a queen once a year.
I have Dr. John Kolaris, who is voted Professor of the Year worldwide.
I have people in Roratan, Honduras, all over the world.
And I pay them with PayPal so they get their money immediately.
And those relationships have survived more than a decade.
And that's the testament to long-term business.
Do long-term games with long-term people.
And I think Jim is speaking to that.
And I love to see that you're reaping the rewards from that.
Awesome that you're up here.
I hope you come back more.
Let's definitely connect in the DMs, Jim.
We're going to pass it over to Jaden, who hasn't spoken in a minute, and then pass it to E.
Yo, making Bruce shutt up right now.
I have a quick question.
You were saying, Fred, right, that you were planning to get the sponsorship.
It's a quick question.
And distribute 50% of it to the TOAP holders.
Is there any legal implications when it comes to that?
Are you allowed to do that?
Because I know there's a certain thing about promising revenue to NFT holders and stuff like that.
How does that work?
Or is that allowed?
Do you know?
Exactly, yeah.
So that's something that I have to figure out.
I'm not in the U.S. jurisdiction.
But I do have to figure out the legality of it before I do the drop.
And so, yeah, that's definitely in line with, you know, always get legal counsel before you do these things.
But, you know, I also don't want to be on the camp of always treading.
I mean, the innovator and the entrepreneur should always just do it.
And then later on, there must be a way, right?
Because otherwise, there's not going to be any innovation.
Like, if I can't do an honest rev share where I disclose everything publicly with my community, then what are we doing here?
Can we even do anything?
So, yeah, I think legal counsel is important, but it's also important sometimes to just do it.
Grammy, what's good?
Oh, sorry.
Did I say Grammy?
I said E after.
Sorry, Grammy.
I'm jumping over you again.
I didn't mean to do that, but that's kind of the theme of the day.
E, what's up?
Hello, hello.
How is everyone?
Good morning.
Speak.
Can you hear me?
Oh, my God.
Yes, we can hear you, E.
What's up, man?
Go ahead and share your thoughts.
Good morning.
No, actually, not a thought.
I have a question for Stanky particularly.
So, I heard your point about suggestive wording, which makes a lot of sense because, looking back, most of the things I've had to buy were prompted by someone buying them.
It's just more of an influence, actually.
So, then I went through your profile and something, and I saw you've done quite a lot of sponsored.
I'm not sure if they're sponsored.
I don't know, but I think they are.
So, and you talked about this next strongest point you talked about was vetting clients.
So, how exactly, what do you look for particularly when you're doing that?
I'll look through LinkedIn.
I'll look through, I'll look through LinkedIn.
So, it's called, I'll call it like the soft, you want to say soft background check, right?
So, I'll look through LinkedIn.
You know, I'll look through, and these, mind you, most of the projects I've helped, they're docs, or at least to me, they're docs, you know.
So, even if, even if they're like, hey, this is me, you know what I'm saying, this is who I've worked with, and things like that.
So, I'll do like a soft LinkedIn search.
I'll, maybe, a lot of the times people come through a third party, like a friend of mine, maybe say, okay, so those are the ones that I actually look at.
So, now, so far as stranger projects are concerned, I'll watch them for a while.
I'll listen to, maybe, I won't say yes right away.
I will.
I will sit and watch.
I will see them in another Twitter space, and I'll listen to what they have to say.
I'll go to their page, and I'll research their project.
I never say yes right away.
Immediately, if it looks scammy, I will walk away.
Anyway, one lesson that I've learned was, you know, I just wanted to support someone who was a friend of a friend, and I didn't vet her enough.
So, one thing, another thing is, like, looking up to see if it's a legitimate business.
You can easily do that.
So, you know, I went and looked her up after the fact, and she, in fact, did not have her business registered anywhere.
So, that was a super red flag.
So, from there on out, I decided to start actually researching and see if people did their paperwork, right?
So, there's plenty of ways to go about it, but to be safe for yourself, you have to find out, figure out kind of a way to do it to the best of your ability.
But a key part of it is, is listening to the person speak and trying to figure out, is this genuine or is it disingenuine?
Are they trying to do something for just profit, or are they doing this because this is a legitimate business that they want to grow?
Do they have some kind of passion behind it?
You know, it's something like that.
So, passion is a big part.
If you can't hear the passion in the person's voice, like, that's not somebody that I really want to deal with.
When I met with Superspaces over a video, you know, I saw that they were passionate about what they were doing.
And they were really, really trying to understand the community in which they were serving.
So, I associate myself with them proudly and gladly.
But, you know, just, you know, doing all the things that I mentioned.
You know, even hopping on a Zoom call, if possible.
But, you know, that's why they talked about longer-term contracts, because usually the people that want you to do a one-off are people that you don't, that either they don't have the funds, or there's somebody who's very sketchy and they're trying to do something fast and now.
So, you know, getting to know the people that you're working with is very important, you know.
So, I just wanted to say that.
I would also back that up, Zach, and say that if someone's wanting to do something one-off and they're trying to get it done fast and now, that's not necessarily even, and sometimes it might be depending on who it is, and that's different for everybody.
But that's not necessarily a situation either where it's going to benefit you because you're going to get that payment once, and then you're going to immediately have to go out and network again and find someone else to sponsor your show or sponsor whatever it is you're trying to do.
So, actually building connections in this space and actually setting something up that will be sustainable and long-term is always going to be more rewarding.
Stacky, appreciate you and the kind words.
We love having you on always.
Yeah, who is next?
I see Stoner having their hand up.
I do also have a question to everyone, but I'm going to ask that after Stoner has had their chance.
All right.
So, yeah, a lot of great points there.
I think when a consumer looks at an influencer running a big space, they do put a lot of trust in them, so it's super important to actually do some kind of due diligence.
With that said, though, it's hard, right?
Like, you could have all the right intentions to work with that project and assume they are doing the right things and then still get stuck in the end cleaning up a mess, making it look like you knew, right?
But I think a lot of influencers get a bad rap for that, and unfortunately, I think a lot of it's out of their control.
There are some bad actors out there that definitely do some shady stuff.
But it's funny because it's a double-edged sword.
You need the influence to do the project and then vice versa, right?
So it really makes for a tough situation.
And then what?
The influencer is not allowed to make money on the project or invest in it because they got sponsored.
You know what I mean?
And what really the big problem is is when they just pump and dump it and they're part of the problem.
But I think that's more coordinated on a back-end side.
And those groups definitely are out there.
And you just got to either know that and follow suit or follow genuine influencers that aren't going to do that to you.
Thank you, Stoner.
Hard to find, but definitely they are out there.
So, guys, I have a question.
This is something that maybe as an aftermath of the space, someone gets inspired, they start hustling, they start doing their spaces, and they get offers in.
People actually say, hey, actually, I do want to sponsor your space.
And then it's about pricing, okay?
What kind of, how would you, let's say, structure a sheet that represents you in the best way possible?
Where you have, let's say, your data, who you are, et cetera.
What would you do to get, to price yourself correctly and as high as possible, let's say?
Maybe we can speak to that a bit.
Grammy, I know maybe you had your hand up about something else, but maybe you want to try and give your take on it.
Yeah, I was actually about to get out of here.
I got some stuff to do, but just real quick take on that.
But what I think basically is if a company, you know, wants to β can you hear me?
Yeah, you're good.
So is it like β is it a slide deck?
Is it, you know, is it data on your audience?
Is that enough?
Yeah, I would definitely do a one-sheeter on audience data, but it's also about how your audience speaks to the demographic that they're reaching out to.
I think that's the making that connection, how your audience that you have in your spaces is within their demographic.
As much information on that as possible.
You know, obviously a little background on yourself, but as much information on how your audience speaks to their demographic of people that they want to sell to.
And I'll lay my plane.
Yeah, love that.
Stacky, you can just speak your co-host.
I know.
Listen, I'm living in the past right now.
So basically, how can we β how would you structure?
So in the past, I've done a one-sheeter.
Like, you know, I feel like people don't want to look at the whole damn slide, the slideshow, unless it's pretty pictures or videos.
So if you could offer videos and voice clips or something like that, then yeah.
But one-sheeters are usually β here's the information.
This is directly what you're going to get for this amount.
What do you put on that sheet, Stanky?
So I put, like, analytics.
I love analytics.
I love it.
So, you know, these are past β these are past spaces that I've held.
You know, you can use those tools.
These are past spaces that I've held.
These are how many people I can retain, you know.
Or these are β link clicks are dope if you can get that, you know.
How often someone clicks a link and wink, wink, super spaces.
You know, so β
Ooh, I love that.
You know, some links, link clicks.
Or β but, you know, from the past, how many people attend the Twitter spaces?
On average is a good number.
You know, this is just for spaces, by the way.
You know, on this other sheet β on the sheet is also, like, pricing for each thing that you offer.
So promotion for the Twitter spaces.
People β curation for the Twitter spaces.
It's other things that go into it.
So it depends on what type of space you're having.
Are you having a one-on-one?
Are you having an AMA?
Are you having a β you know, are you having a panel?
You know, because with panels, you have to curate people because β and you curate these people because you want numbers, right?
So if, for example, I bring in β I bring in somebody like Wendy O or I bring in somebody like Hotep Jesus or, you know, all those other people that have high numbers, then that's a higher β that's a higher curation price, right?
So, you know, so the fact that you're curating the people so you can bring their audience in, that's something that you will put on there.
Are you curating?
Are you β are you just doing an AMA with just you and the person?
Then you're talking about questions.
Do I have to provide the questions?
Are you providing the questions?
So that's a different price.
So, you know, just pricing β figuring out what you're pricing when you're doing these sheets, what your pricing is, and what are you offering?
Because if you're just doing a sponsorship model now, maybe β what am I sponsoring?
Or am I sponsoring just the Twitter spaces?
What am I getting out of the sponsorships from the Twitter spaces?
Are you going to pin my banner at the top?
Are you going to pin up my tweets?
Are you going to direct people to my Twitter page?
Or what does the funnel look like?
You know, when is this going to happen?
Is this going to happen in the beginning?
Is this going to happen in the end?
So basically giving a detailed description of what they're getting from the paid Twitter spaces.
You know, how often is it?
So, the one-off thing.
I personally don't care about the one-off thing.
So, I offer a 30-day, 60-day β I used to.
Not anymore.
But I used to offer a 30-day, 60-day, and a 90-day package.
Now, in that 30, 60, 90-day package, you determine what you want to put in each package.
So, I mean, you know, all these things would go on the page for me.
So, basically, just to sum it up.
Analytics.
You know, what are my analytics?
You know, what does that look like?
What is the pricing?
What is the product or whatever I'm offering?
And then what is the pricing that I'm asking people to pay?
So, there you go.
Love to hear it.
And to anyone who is getting these inbound messages, and if you need more data, if you want us to have a look, if you need more support from us, just shoot us a DM.
This is what we get up for in the morning.
We want you to impact millions, and that's what we do.
You know, that's why we do what we do.
And so, don't be shy, is what I'm trying to say.
Jake, you had your hand up.
Do you want to speak to any of the words said?
I was just going to add, and you could also add things like bonuses.
I forget the example.
I was going to use it, so I put my hand down.
But, like, say you wanted, you could, like, offer whatever the sponsor is.
You could offer to have their link.
Oh, this is what it was.
You can offer to, like, create little shorts of video clips, audio clips of something of you sponsoring.
Whatever the sponsor is, and make posts of that.
So, it creates additional content for them.
And you could charge them an extra however much for that.
There's something that popped in my head.
Yeah, that's right.
Like, I know some media companies in this space, they use our spaces breakdown to see where was the audience most engaged.
And then, by way of, you know, how many emotes there were, they can pinpoint exactly the moment that is, like, good to clip.
And then you can go ahead, clip it, promote it, and charge for that as well.
So, that's another value offering, right, as you make up your stack of value for the prospect.
Cool, ladies and gents.
This was a fun sesh.
We're already clocking in on one hour and a half, almost.
And I know Stacky has to leave.
And we also have to get to more work because, you know, Web3 doesn't sleep.
And I appreciate all of you for coming in today.
I think this was super jam-packed, and Kong and I are going to work on getting some of the content that was shared on here by Stacky, by Jaden, by Jim, by everyone else to put that out on the timeline as well.
And so, we appreciate you.
Any parting words, Kong?
No, I don't have any parting words other than it was a bunch of fun, and I really appreciate everybody sharing what they had to say today.
And I definitely did learn a lot, and I look forward to having future conversations like this so that we can dive more in depth.
You guys owe me a call, so, you know, schedule that.
Let's get that together.
Let's make that happen.
Okay, awesome, guys.
We're going to hit each other here with the outro.
It's going to be Tory Lanez.
I hope you enjoy his music just as much as you enjoy Kanye.
And, yeah, have a great weekend, guys.
Touch some grass and other things.
Have fun.
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