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📢GITCOIN RADIO #Community 24/7
Recorded: Aug. 24, 2023 Duration: 1:33:30Space Recording
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like a pinned tweet like when you go to the solar punk guild account you'll see that the first
the first the first space it's lagged some hours ago and it was a pinned tweet so that's what i
mean that you can also pin the current space on the guild account there we go awesome
where are you located
uh right now i'm in uh bangalore
well so uh what time is it uh there uh 11 13
oh that's uh am in the morning
yeah because here it's uh 8 43 in the morning
so these are the time that um most of the people who do a full-time job they are already busy with
their work and i think that's the current and the current situation with the gitcoin radio most of
the people have some other jobs and uh they get to come and jam in when they are flee
exactly no exactly um yeah these are kind of the down times but it's okay i mean i don't mind we still
have some good uh good talks you know exactly and people are also building
yeah i mean working on their projects
yeah exactly exactly since like you know that's what we're all doing right so it's like it's cool
to do it together um even if we're just like you know it's like also you know like when you studied
with your friends or something you know like y'all kind of like pushed each other a little bit harder
because everyone was there yeah absolutely absolutely and uh i'm also curious to learn
what i you are working on or like the project that i you currently have
yeah man um so right now um i'm building this project called kula um i don't know if you've heard
of it but um you know kula is basically a community of uh regenerative practitioners like regenerative
uh um change makers that um you know are basically on the ground you know in play space uh areas
um that are like ultimately doing regenerative agriculture or some sort of regenerative practices
um and so like we're basically a community or a tapestry we say of uh regenerative villages
uh that are connected with others uh other uh regenerative villages like in the sense that
you know we have our own network of them but there's also a big network out there like uh
uh of uh people doing this work you know so uh yeah right now kula is uh working on um
uh a project called sacred sanctuaries which is uh part of like creating these uh safe spaces for
people to come and and practice this work and for us to ultimately do it on a bioregional level
um so like a big part of our work is you know just like being on the ground and things like this but
um a lot of it is also weaving across a lot of projects at the global level so like kula in a lot
of ways is just um like it doesn't exist in the sense that it's like uh one thing it's like a parent
company that you know uh facilitates a lot of things to happen um especially like the coherence uh
between uh different initiatives uh at the global level but uh more importantly it's the stuff we're
doing like here on the ground in india um there's a couple places we're working in uh here in bangalore
we just got a place um that we're going to start regenerating um and turning into kind of like a
region hub um for people to go to other places more in rural areas out of the urban um uh infrastructure
and uh actually like you know go more into nature but a place for them to like funnel through um but
we have also a place in gokarna like um which is in like the western ghats uh and then where uh
just started building a place in the himalayas and so the these different places for people to
ultimately like um you know learn how to live self-sustainably but also to like have as a safe
place uh you know when shit hits the fan you know like these places will be resilient and uh
you know able to uh preserve and like react uh accordingly to what what what is going to happen
you know awesome awesome that's a great uh initiative and uh i'm so happy to see a lot of
uh these uh legislative projects that are coming along because uh i see that uh at the end of the
day when you talk of uh bioregional these are projects that um will have a very big pull effect
especially and to bring a recognition from the the governments or the states because of the the good
work you are doing so it will come a time that um maybe the government will not overlook more and
i will see that uh these projects are working on um on very really interesting ideas they are making
impact and uh uh they will absolutely like to be associated with you so i have uh i know i know your
project i know kula i've been uh coming into the spaces and um sometimes i hear you project present
there it's been really really awesome and uh it's a very great project so earlier on i talked about
um a platform uh we are building uh together with my team here at uh desi youth and uh it's an
aggregation platform of all these projects that are working on the areas of uh science regeneration
and uh um also to make uh the positive uh social impact so kula is one of the projects that uh we have
it uh in our platform although we have not yet uh deployed it out we have it there is one of the
amazing projects um uh in the web space and um the main name of this project is uh to connect uh
individuals to this uh impact project so it is more of a space so desi youth we are working together with
happily ever after so happily ever after is a network of health and well-being spaces to nurture our mind
body and soul and um so happily ever after build these uh spaces and uh mostly we have been uh uh
we have been uh working on uh spaces that are more to do with the dao health yeah because uh we are into
the web 3 space and uh we see how we are working to see how uh people in daos can really work together
coordinate to the to the to bring about uh maximum impact and um also bring about a value to what they are
working on so one of the spaces we have it's called a ritual ritual ritual it's a a place whereby maybe
down members can come together and uh connect uh deeply uh from uh one course it's a space that we are
currently a building we have uh people who build these spaces we call them healers because they are one of the
uh forefront people who take the mantle to heal ourselves and also uh work in the regenerative part
that is the inner regeneration yeah so uh one of the space that uh we are building as this iu this uh
digital wellness space and this is now the space that uh works along connecting um individuals to
this web 3 impact project so it will turn out to be like a space whereby you can um you can get in
and uh interact with uh with maybe this dashboard i have some category of um of care category that uh all
these projects are looking upon so for example the design community is uh really working hard to
make sure that uh our human health is well catered uh with the decentralized aspect we also have uh some
of these projects that are working on uh uh in the areas of biodiversity you people at cooler included
uh also uh regeneration we have uh uh projects working on the areas of philanthropy on the areas of uh public goods and uh
also on the new area of the dow health so these are six aspects that are that projects are working on as far as
uh wellness um wellness is concerned in the next uh iteration of the web that is the
web 3 and uh it's uh very very interesting to see these projects coming together and uh connecting
together regardless of um uh their location this is something that uh i found uh lili lili amazing because uh
uh i come from a community in africa uh a village and um uh in this place uh when one finishes uh education
they are like uh told to go to the city and look for some work to do and uh that's normal but now with uh
this decentralized uh uh this decentralized uh uh working fashion uh uh this is now what will bring out
people out of the city and uh they can work regardless of their their location so that's a lili lili
interesting that uh i can work from my village i can connect with uh people online although sometimes it
feel a little bit uh lonely but um it's it's amazing that uh we are working for the future for the future of
our generation because uh uh we are also shaping the future of work and uh some of us uh we are also doing
some cloud work especially the the legion community it's been really really awesome so something else
that uh i would like to talk about it uh the vibes that are flowing into the space the gitcoin radio
and also some of the spaces that uh comes up are consistently i've been following up and i see that um
we have the impact uh the the maximum impact uh from the jimmy cohen from the of the treasins we also have
uh impactopia spaces that comes once a week uh for the maximum impact that's a deal almost daily apart
from weekends yeah we also have some desai spaces that comes um uh once a week from the desai world we also
have labbed our whole spaces once a week so these are some of the amazing spaces that we shall be
connecting uh people to so that uh they can really uh recognize the good thing that uh some of these
projects are working on and uh the the common thing with these spaces and uh the vibe that they are
bringing and uh what we are calling as the new paradigm of digital well-being it's um like uh the energy in
the legion space you see the people in the legion nation have been always up to make sure that uh
everything is in line we have our energy in the spaces uh even though we not see we not to together
like um in physical location but uh connecting in spaces with a very very high energy that has been
really awesome we also have the the values of the solar punk you see cause that build a solar punk
future we really need to integrate our good values to connecting with people
uh on the internet and also being so compassionate with our nature with our well-being and uh this all about
the good values that comes up so that we can build a solar punk future and also we have the the the ethos
in the design space you see science is something that uh it's uh it's sensitive because uh when we talk
about uh decide to people who have never heard about uh decentralized science all the science can go
on chain it's uh it's uh it's kind of somehow risky for them to understand and they can ask some
contradiction question but uh having the people in the design space they have a very very high aligned
uh ethos yeah so that uh they can be able to build um into this space and um i build allowed these
sensitive topics of health and um also having some of our uh even health data on chain that's something
that uh really need a lot of care and uh the design ecosystem is up to that with the ethos they are
bringing into the space so again we have the the lunar punks yeah the lunar punks are bringing this uh
the high top-notch or high-ed vision of um having the uh members of communities uh maybe
uh go to the space or work on uh something to do with the space exploration this is something that uh
earlier on um a common person would never think about uh because it was left for the bigger corporations
like NASA sets or people with a lot of uh uh wealth accumulation yeah but now uh it's interesting that
i can join a a DAO or for example moon DAO that's working on uh exploding the moon and uh and uh contribute and um
if uh maybe at time i i dreamed of uh landing to the moon i would not uh go to the maybe the NASA way
because it's a bit uh complicated and uh requires a lot of uh connection and uh some wealth accumulation
but uh having to get into a DAO it's a really awesome and uh it's uh it's like our dreams are coming
true with um the decentralized uh technology so it's a really really awesome to have these things coming together
yeah so uh anything any question about that uh i'm willing to take it and um also anybody who
who is willing to come into the stage uh welcome and uh we happy to learn about you to learn about
what you are working on yeah awesome bro awesome
go ahead
yep can you
yes yes i can hear you
how's it going let on hey
i have a lot of bells ringing so i'm waiting for them to stop so i can speak
no worries no worries
but yeah um i it's funny i mean um you know projects are all very aligned i mean uh the fact
i think that they're not even projects you know they're like long-term initiatives uh
uh you know uh and it's just uh always evolving um
but in that fact you know uh there's another um initiative that i would like to share i mean in
the sense that it's connected um to cooler and also to disay youths and all you guys's projects i mean um
um so uh currently i'm the co-study of dreamdao and um you know i've uh one of the founding builders
uh um we started in 2021 um and uh dreamdao is a education dao focused on uh you know onboarding uh
and uh educating uh gen z's uh into the space of web 3 and social impact and so um you know we've gone
through and like onboarded over a thousand um young kids uh from all over the world um and
yeah it's it's it's like a really cool thing where we have this thing called the explorers program
where uh it acts as kind of like a learning journey for um you know uh these gen z builders
to come and like you know get paired up with like people like a lannister or solo or all for climate and
you know really get to learn hands-on um you know how to like you know superpower their their skills
that they're already doing because they're like super dope smart kids um you know but like you know
bringing it and bridging it into the digital realm um you know and really just like giving them those
tools um but also like having these learning together sessions where you know we'll have people
come and similar how get coin radio works but you know in a different way uh come and like you know
have these um discussions really particularly right collectively and um you know now we're expanding
and going further uh with a new nft launch uh in september um to introduce a new cohort of champions which
are like the mentors and builders which are the young gen z's um and you know uh it's basically you know
like the nft gives you um access to you know voting and governance and then also other things in terms
of you know participating in like yeah like a mentorship program mentor mentee program and um many other like
real life things in in the sense of meetups um with uh you know like your mentee or your mentor or
whatever it might be in terms of um you know some part of the community but yeah it's really cool
because now we're taking it to this part where like you're not only from like working with cello
and coinbase and ethereum like now we're going to a place where we're becoming somewhat self-sufficient
in a way where you know yeah we're doing a new launch and introducing new members but also um you know
reinvigorating kind of like what it means to be a region and in a young region coming into the space
you know with um not just like rigid and um absolute learning pathways but like more of a a variety
and non-discriminatory one where like it's not determined uh for you but that the options are laid
out and you know a explorer's program may be the beginning but then it may evolve past um to something
like a rangers program that we're developing in kula um to have people come and do place-based um
regenerative work you know and so it's not only uh digitally focused and you know adding all these
options and and methodologies and so you know education can be conducted in the most uh effective
way possible you know
absolutely absolutely absolutely and thank you for sharing uh that about uh dream now yeah i've been
keen on uh what dream now and april it's been awesome i've been connecting with the amazing builders from
uh dream now and uh talking about that and also education i would like to highlight uh some of the
issues that uh we've been facing especially in the global south and uh africa specifically
we have a lot of young people who are unemployed like in my country seven out of ten graduates are
unemployed or whatever they are working on it's not what they studied so for example in my class i
studied uh biotechnology and uh we were a class of about uh 50 students who graduated and um i've been
following up with my colleagues who we studied together and uh it's also unfortunate that uh 40 of my
colleagues have already shifted to other careers uh some of them are in the business some of them
uh went abroad to upgrade their studies and uh this is so unfortunate because uh here in africa and uh
especially the global so so most of the problems we are experiencing need some of this scientific
approach uh to solve them as part of the larger solution for example talking of issues to do with the food security
our health system our health system they didn't need a scientific approach to solve some of these uh
problems and also the agriculture and minnesota so it's so unfortunate to see a graduate graduating with
these courses of science agriculture uh and uh there are no jobs for us so but uh i see that uh
uh the web 3 is now bringing a new a new a new like uh paradigm of the future of work uh because um
uh for example with the decentralized science uh uh personally i've never gotten a job or any job of uh since i graduated
uh but uh when i joined uh the design community i saw that uh there's a lot of uh hope and uh not only for
me but uh for my colleagues because uh this is something that has the potential to add to to
to add the scientific blending that has been happening in our region yeah because anybody can get involved
into these daos anybody can contribute and um uh can get some incentives from uh working into the
decentralized uh community so uh for the genzi i think uh uh dream dao it's uh taking the lead on this
trading the next generation of uh innovators into the web 3 space so this is uh lili lili awesome
concepts that uh will bootstrap uh the future of work uh the future of coordination uh
and uh i i i foresee a future whereby a lot of young people will not be limited to their country borders
they will be working uh uh in a decentralized fashion with the the concepts of and the network states
coming on these are lili lili awesome concepts that uh will bootstrap uh the future of work the future of
coordination and uh it's amazing that uh technology is coming along with a lot of interesting things
because uh currently we are connecting through uh a twitter space but uh in the near future maybe we
shall be doing like this space uh in metaverse and uh this one now we bring in a new layer of um
whereby we can feel even the physical connection part of it and uh it's a lili awesome to be part of this uh
evolution and uh i can't wait to see how it will unveil as far as uh these people building in the side of
positive uh impact is concerned so it's a lili lili awesome i can see my friend lunco it's uh in the
audience so uh we were just talking about uh the younger generation and the new paradigm of uh uh
solar punk the dsires the legends and also the lunar punks and uh i would like to get uh your thoughts
allowed uh allowed this how do you see maybe the younger generation uh lighting up with the
paradigm of being um lunar parks because uh i was talking about uh uh when we were in school it's
it's really hard even now finding a student who have this uh passion of space exploration because
they know that uh these are ideas that are in the month or in the hearts of uh very big corporations
and uh but uh now the web 3 is changing this thing having that uh uh i can uh participate or i can
explore my dreams of being uh a lunar park uh with the with the decentralized uh technology so it's a
it's a lili lili awesome i think i think maybe it's hard to find a student like that maybe just because
everyone's slowly realizing that you know they should just be gardening and you know touching soil
touching grass and that's important that's the most thing i mean like i definitely feel um the youth's
waking up to that for sure i mean like i uh i mean i i'm not too old myself i mean like a lot of my
friends are so teenagers still young kids um and you know from their sentiment like i i can uh i can
feel there is some waking up to the fact that we should just be in the garden you know living
sustainably uh living off the land uh i think that's what everyone wants at the end of the day
you know to feel like they belong to nature and to the people around them um and yeah i mean like
one thing i've realized over the last couple years like literally nothing's better than just like
gardening with your friends and like you know eating the stuff you guys grew together and
you know uh whether it's family or friends or in an area that you're native to or not native to uh
you know just respecting the land and all these like natural things that um you know just bring
people and nature closer together it's uh it's quite beautiful in that way
yeah amazing amazing and uh it's uh awesome to hear that uh you're talking that you're talking about
uh you have a group of these things who really have the urge to live sustainably to get out in the
field and work touch the soil touch the tree that's really really awesome because uh here in africa a
lot of young people don't want to be associated with agriculture at all at all because um
they see like uh farming is for the people who are less privileged and the reason as to why it's this
is because um as we were growing up um most of our parents uh did not get the chance to get uh the
education but uh they were they were given not by the government so they turned out uh being farmers
with no education just uh the literal skill of treating the rod so when we were getting uh the education
we we we we wanted to be out of the farm we did not want to be like our parents so uh it's kind of
unfortunate that until now young people still don't want to get back to agriculture although some of
uh our solutions that we are solving now really needs a lot of young people to get involved into
agriculture but uh agriculture but uh most of them have turned out that uh they really don't want to
go back to the farm uh they better do a lot of uh shorter jobs in the city but not getting to the farm
because we grew up seeing uh seeing that uh farming is for the people who are uneducated uh who maybe don't
have uh hope uh with life and um we are we are working on initiatives to uh to get young people
go back in agriculture and uh work in the farms so it's something that we are working on and it's
interesting to hear that uh uh level you are we have some some young people who really want to live
sustainably sustainably yeah that's awesome maybe lenala is back uh how are you
hi hi i'm good thanks
yeah welcome welcome on stage and uh we happy to hear what are you are working on
from wherever you are yeah let's go thanks thanks for having me um i'm joining from europe from berlin
so it's kind of a very nice morning here
and uh and thanks for having me and for having this um radio twitter space uh this is really nice and um
um i'm working actually i have three projects on this uh gitcoin round i mean um some i'm part of more
leading and some i'm kind of taking part in a larger group and they are all in different areas but uh but
also connected in some way so one is in the open source round the other is in the climate round and
the third one is in the token engineering round so in a way they are not um
they're in different kind of matching pools
and it's quite interesting to see the different uh i don't know the different vibes of all these
different pools and the climate round is super nice
and the open source is a bit crazy i have to say um this is the second uh gitcoin that uh
we're taking part in this project and it was such a like surprise how intense it is like
the amount of people donating to projects the amount of projects and the open source everything's kind of
turbocharged i guess because the maybe it's where all the defy things are are going and then the climate
rounds seem more like cozy and is i think like last time i just put every project in my cart or something
like that you really feel that uh every project is really nice and then the token engineering is really
niche is very small i don't know like maybe it's uh people it's like very nerdy in a way um but also
it's a nice uh vibe there and the project that i have in the token engineering it's even for
the round is a bit um different it's more of like a philosophical project in a way
even though we are going to do smart contracts and token design and all those things but um
actually we are looking for ways of um creating a token a fungible token not a nft
but a fungible token that can hold symbolic value so this is the the project called simval
and i think in my twitter i posted like um my last tweet was a link to all the the three projects if
you want to take a look at it i don't know how it works in the twitter space if you can uh post tweets
or something like that inside the space i think i saw something like that but then i'm not so familiar so
i don't know and to figure out how to bring this symbolic aspect to fungible tokens that are mostly
used in the defy world for and a lot for you know speculation and things like that even when you issue
a token and you say okay this is not going to be for speculation this is let's say a governance token
or something like that uh quite often it happens that then you know maybe if some people have an
idea oh i'm gonna pump some altcoins or whatever and then when you least expect your token might end up
you know doing something very different than what you envision for your token to begin with
so we were thinking how can we preserve this symbolic value and and have a token that even if let's
say some crazy pump and dumpers decide to to use for their purposes uh they won't corrupt so to speak
that token and somehow the idea wandered towards analogies from buddhism so this is what we're exploring
and and one thing that came to mind is the prayer wheels because i think that the the idea of the
prayer wheels is that they have prayers inside they're like a physical object with um you know symbolic
important philosophical religious meaning inside them and by moving them then it's kind of like you were
moving like putting into motion those thoughts those ideas as well in in a in a physical but also in a
symbolic way so smart contracts are autonomous and they are running right on the blockchain so they're kind of like
prayer wheels same there's a similarity there so this is one thing that we're trying to design um how can then instead of maybe just some
wallet address or numbers and you know information that gets written in every transaction how can we insert
something that is small enough to not cost you know incur costs and and cause problems but that carries the
symbolic value into those transactions that are happening and in that sense like it will be like turning a prayer wheel
so that's one of the concepts that uh we're exploring for the token but also uh other other things like so
let's say if someone decides to i don't know like buy all the tokens and burn them for example like oh i was
thinking about all this kind of uh aggressive actions that someone can do to like attack your token
so another idea that came was some kind of like holy temple uh or in buddhism for example like a stupa where
it was also a holding place you know for for texts
and so to maybe have like a contract that holds the token and that contract will be a holy place for the token
and basically it will just make sure that a percentage of the token is protected so that will
kind of like keep it close to its original idea and of course that percentage won't be tradable it
will be kind of like blocked let's say inside a contract but it will exist it will be recorded
in the blockchain and maybe that contract can also issue like every so often a few transactions maybe the
token is forgotten that let's say you know for some reason the value went to zero and nobody wants to
touch that token anymore but a percentage will be preserved in that contract which is the the holy
temple for that token so yeah so this is some of the the ideas that i'm exploring and one of the
um people joining this project is actually um a meditation teacher and buddhist kind of student and
scholar for quite a long time and we've been talking about how to because i have i'm not like um
i know these concepts but i'm not really i can going deep into it i haven't really studied deep so i felt
like they need to have someone to that understands much better all this and you know all those concepts
so this is the the second person that is part of this um this project and then we also have like um
the third person is an artist and the developer um from kenya that is also part of uh another the
climate project that i'm i'm involved with uh and we are also developing ways to kind of create visual
representations uh for the token and interactive like they could show in a visual way uh things that
are happening not only with uh the tokens in your wallet but maybe in your environment around you
so one thing that he did was this kind of like a token icon which is an svg an interactive svg
and it will actually show like from where you are depending on the time of the day or the season
on your location uh this kind of like a breathing cycle of trees and nature around you to have an idea
of what how can we also create like a visual symbolic uh representation of things so yeah i don't know if this
sounds like uh too crazy esoteric philosophical uh but i hope we get some support for the project and and
and are able to eventually launch some code and and maybe people can use that for their different purposes
wow it's super cool super cool that you're having multiple grants throughout the different rounds um
um you know it's not an easy thing to to manage but you're doing it um well it's like a team like you
know we i have several other people as well like i'm doing just by myself so we have like a team of
people uh sure sure sure still so so still though like it's um takes a takes a lot of time uh away from
the the building that you guys are doing in general so i'm but super cool i mean like uh i think in some
sense uh i mean we keep seeing this there's just so much alignment like even though it might be in
different rounds or uh might be yeah like you know focusing on a different audience like there's
there's still just like so much alignment you know yeah no that's that's that's uh that's what makes
it possible as well right i think if it was really completely different from each other then it will be
much more work but sometimes because they kind of weave into each other that makes it easier
yeah and the the project that i'm part of in the open source round is a cooperative
um the minting cooperative for mostly for artists or people who create nfts and the idea is to kind
of out create the tools that will help automate collaborative practices uh because we see that a lot
in that scene so an artist they would maybe make a like a sale one of their nfts and immediately they
would buy from other artists that are part of their friends their group people that they admire or want
to support so this kind of like uh artists supporting each other happens very naturally and of course you
know we are social cooperative beings um i think that a lot of the time just the competition aspect gets
uh in focus and all the things that you see and and the really nice automation tools that you see are
geared towards this competition um aspect so let's say you know make a leaderboard and see who's the first
and we're going to compete now to see who sells more or even gives more and things like that right
um and then our also natural cooperation that is also part of us as you know human beings gets kind of
like not much attention oh we don't need to do anything for that or it just becomes sometimes invisible
so the idea is to create the contracts to help these groups form and support each other
so let's say you join a group uh a cooperative of artists and then when you mint you set the revenue
for that sale like a percentage that goes to a common pot automatically so you don't have to worry about
it uh of course you can decide how much that is you know each cooperative can decide maybe you want
like a big chunk to go to this pot maybe want a smaller pot um percentage or maybe you don't know you
just want to experiment and see what works which i think is most often the case like we don't know the
you know the right numbers we kind of have to play a little bit and and see what happens
and then it goes to this common pot it's because you never know who is going to be let's say
uh if you're starting your career even if you have already started but maybe you were now starting
to web free and nfts um even if you have been doing art and even selling art for a long time right
you don't know who is going to be uh successful in terms of sales because this is important i think
success is not just sale so in this case getting this sales revenue you don't know uh and if you're part of
a group and then you are supporting each other there's also i created this kind of financial um
explanation for people think oh you know like i'm all into the kind of competition part like this
corporation thing i don't care about but so hear me in the financial explanation for this so if you are
a collector you're investing in art in nfts uh you're probably gonna buy from several artists
because you want to hedge your investment like in any investment you're not gonna you know put all
your eggs in one basket you're gonna uh like if you're a vc you're gonna fund several companies because
you don't know which one is going to be successful this is just part of how it works
right so as an investor in nfts you're going to invest in a variety of artists because what you
have is money to invest so it's very easy to just kind of buy from different ones you use your criteria
but if you're an artist your capital is your art and your art is very personal very unique and this
is what makes it you know valuable is that you do what you do you can't just create like 20 artist
personas and and create like 20 styles i guess some people actually try that i don't know 20 but at
least two or i don't know if three but this is not how it works your capital is your art so you can't
uh diversify it actually is the quite the opposite you focus because you know it's your personality your
artistic voice so the way to diversify is to do as a group right so we are very smart and and we
do things in groups because that is uh you know makes it better for all of us so doing it as a
group by joining a group of people that's how you diversify so you're actually uh almost like buying
shares of each other so to speak right or exchanging you're buying because it does involve money you're
just exchanging shares of each other and in that way you can do something that was only available to
the investors with capital before and as an artist it was just bad luck if you later like 10 artists
and nine are going to not be successful bad luck if you're one of the nine right but now no you can
actually be just like an investor um without the need for the money you're kind of uh having in your
art is kind of your your currency in that sense inside the group is almost like a mutual credit almost of
sorts so this is the idea and this is um this is called like um stateless art is the group um and the
product that we are funding is called code 2 which means cooperative toolkit so it's going to be an
open source toolkit for people to automate all that and we want to do it in different blockchains so
the first blockchain that is getting ready to launch is it was the one first one that we got funding is
the near blockchain which is a little bit obscure like not many people are using it uh but we already
started development also on the tesus blockchain which is very popular with art right now so i think
that's nice we just started and then of course we also want to do like an evm version but that hasn't
even started and depends on getting extra funding from that and we don't even have developers for
for um ethereum contracts yet so this is kind of the state where stateless is right now
hey lenar do you mind uh just co-hosting uh as well just so we can have two people up here um just
maybe for that like the next 30 minutes until we do the transition how do i do that
uh just accept that invite i just said we should be good to go
awesome awesome awesome awesome i see jimmy out there come on jim get get up on here come on um
um just talking all good things uh lenar here he's got three different grants across three different
rounds shilling all the way through um super commendable doing some super great stuff uh
but yeah uh
uh awesome what's up disa youth oh what's up centropic it's good bro it's gone
awesome awesome and thank you lenar love for sharing that i'll go and uh look into your grant
yeah for now i need to jump off i have some things to do but i'll get back so thank you very much and
uh happy to be jamming with you all so have a good day
thanks a lot have a good day thanks a lot have a good day thank you bro
yo what's good how we doing
yo jimmy hop up on here uh if you could just maybe help co-host again um really like until
humberto comes um yeah none of the hosts really have been showing up but we've just been riffing
along sharing our projects sharing cool things what's up centropic
jim jim jim jim jim
i'm having some um this crazy smoothie um that i got her too addicted to it's um
um it's like um alfonso like mango smoothie they got man all the good stuff you know like hemp seed
sunflower seeds chia seeds pineapple mango apple blueberry coconut all the good stuff all the good
stuff super super regen wow it looks like a tropical fiber power smoothie thing
oh yeah indeed it is um i'll do one of these and i'm good for the rest of the day
but um yeah um well let me just get jimmy up here i'm out bro and where where are you joining from
um um i'm in bangalore right now um in south india um i've been here for i've been in india for the
last couple months uh since june and um just came back down to bangalore uh from uh himachal in the
western himalayas but yeah i'm gonna be here for a while now um here working with the atlanta style crew
um doing cool stuff building sanctuaries um but yeah uh where are you uh you're in europe you said
you're in berlin huh yes i'm in berlin i've been here for a while i'm originally from brazil
oh my god oh my god bungee bungee bungee bungee uh yeah uh yeah you know yeah i've actually been
telling people i'm like to get them to donate i'm like bye bye bye come on bye just donate
bye bye like just to put some sense of urgency into it like not to leave it to the last minute you
know um very nice very nice
yeah there's like a there's a brazilian slang now that people use a lot that means let's go and it's
border so we can say border border border border you can have to say border lot
border lot yeah border line means let's go now
i got you i got you
good morning everybody well it's morning here i just wanted to ask the desai youths about the
his project it's really curious because i rarely see desai projects out there and i just wanted to know
did anybody had the chance to listen what he was saying or or shall i just wait and catch him like
a pokemon another time yeah yeah yeah um i mean you should definitely catch him another time but yeah
i was able to get a little gist of what was going on i mean a lot of alignment of course but um
like basically i mean um they're building uh a platform uh a curriculum right now that's in the
like pipeline to come out on top of an already like education program they have um you know just uh
going through and uh teaching about the intersection of you know uh web 3 and science um in the form of
desai and so they have like these already programs like being conducted from what i um could tell
and uh on top of that right like they're using impact projects like in refi to kind of
exemplify their teachings i guess like so they said like they have projects like hula and and
tree gens and atlantis dow and you know whatever other projects are kind of also in the grants round but
in the space um that they're you know researching um to build like kind of like handbooks for students
i guess uh is from what i could tell like like kind of a platform where maybe similar to how um
you know um what's it called i think it's daoist or something that like they have kind of like a dao
like repository with all the daos and like or kind of like what deepa is doing with impact does similar
but like they're having it in more of like uh aside from just like a synopsis about like oh what
what they're about is like more about how it's connected to you know science and regeneration
and and and a little bit more of a deep dive um and maybe like a textbook format i guess um but online
so they're doing that and and it's it's obviously you know i mean i don't know if it's like not for
older people but no i i mean telling by their name it's a you know dsai youths and you know it's it's
it's really for uh kids like younger generation um so as like a extracurricular activity maybe after
school but also as um you know something to uh act as like an engagement program um you know for um
for there to be like a learning pathway into the this space you know well thank you yeah that's that's
really interesting i guess well um what's the essence of decentralized science is it just to
decentralize the data of uh scientific uh experiments and and and articles and everything
related to to science or is it to decentralize the process or how how where your what do you think
about it or how what do you know about that for sure yeah i think um at first the fundamental
thing is the decentralization of the process like um of maybe scientific method itself but more so of
like how science exists currently like in its you know prevalent form in academia and a lot of that
is dependent on you know who gets funding for what work to do based on the research's engagement and
you know popular opinion in the science community which whether it's natural science or whatever
right and so um i think like the the main value proposition which ultimately overlays into all the
things that you said is the process like the decentralization of the process and the um in terms of
like bootstrapping research right scientific research um to happen right regardless of you know bureaucracy
that is involved in terms of like the university you're researching under and you know um maybe it
brings in refi in the sense for the the financing part in terms of like funding public goods and you know
research in a way is a is a public good right um especially when it's open source and not just released
into a singular journal that you have to have a membership for and things like this right so um yeah i think it's
it's more it's more yeah like that's the fundamental pillar right and then like everything overlaid on
top of it yeah like of course like uh when it comes to the end where the results are conducted right like
you know they're being actually like some um incentive mechanism for people to preserve
that information in a decentralized fashion that's not like reliant on you know uh schools and their
endowments and their um you know uh relationships with each other in terms of like you know whether
it's relevant um to you know whatever they're getting funding for or not you know but yeah a mix of things
i'm sure yeah makes sense also i guess uh also to decentralize the access now of information because yeah i don't know
i don't know i don't know how much it happens but i guess uh scientific uh research and stuff sometimes
is just uh meant to be controlled by the sponsors you know if big pharma sponsors uh a research they are
the only ones that have access to that information and so they can patent uh methods or or or even
um things they discover or whatever so maybe decentralizing that also can can help in i don't
know i don't know if that helps no in the end because yeah the problem is the problem is how they um
what they do with it no so yeah interesting yeah decentralized science got my eyes since i think i i i
heard about desai before uh uh refi in twitter i i found some there's a very very interesting account
i don't i don't remember the exact name but it's like desai is i think is the biggest desai accounting
in the space and they host many yeah many twitter spaces with super super crazy interesting um
uh people that do very weird stuff that most of the times i don't understand 80 of what they're
talking about but it sounds interesting um i learned about this uh person that got into this uh they they
found me they finally found some molecule that regenerates 100 so they're trying to find like
you can live 120 years if you want with this if this molecule acts properly in your body like
weird stuff but interesting and yeah i think they're they're pulling a lot of people and and and they're
they're really contributing um in in in the discussion and yeah i think desai is cool and is there
something relating to related to decentralized um societies like these so or something like that or it's just
or that's just a dow
i think there's definitely like some layer um of desai that is like um baked into it just in the sense of
like you know if you're thinking about like merging um what's happening already in like traditional
academia and in the scientific community onto web 3 and into the open source like um ecosystem it
probably does involve like some level of like i mean even we're understanding this like when it comes to
you know regenerative development like you know um we need some desus like you know we can't rely uh
like a suite of of tools in terms to communicate like using twitter and then like telegram and then
a mix of like a website to like aggregate data and all that to you know make sure things are happening
like concurrently it's not effective right like there needs to be some uh you like universal or like
standardized forum which we all um you know uh conduct uh like governance and analysis through and
all all these things like asynchronously because uh yeah i mean like it's necessary especially when you're
doing work like um you know uh digitally right like which is hard to not have like a
a d social layer when you're doing like you know any types of uh decentralized development um but yeah
i don't know like i know re uh no d side network has is developing something like this um like a d shows
platform um to kind of yeah bootstrap like the first part of research which is like you know uh
collective literature review that happens you know um you know individually and then like
through the syncing and synthesis of uh you know everyone else's like internalization of that
literature um and you know that usually happens whatever in a room or something but obviously this
is happening like online so um yeah like the necessary ways to facilitate that yeah that's it's important to
think that that's that's that's that's cool because now i'm i'm i'm thinking an idea i don't know if it
already exists but it will be super interesting of a platform like a sort of a dow where uh everyone's
opinion is just an input and and not the main um output of everything so it's for science uh merely so
everybody can just upload their um or articles or information or data they have about anything and
this this general dow um with ai gets all the information and produces articles it's like a like a
decentralized magazine or you know like getting getting the um key information about articles that maybe
could match in the same theme and they just and it just produces one article out of those two
collaborators let's say that way that could be cool no i i don't know if that's that sounds like um
very far away from now but yeah i could we could find a path to it
for sure i mean um
um like i think so yeah i mean um especially um in our case like we're designing um a system to you
know host this information whatever it might be in terms of research or you know just data collected um
but have it be hosted in a way where like everyone's incentivized to hold the state of it on their own um
local uh cpu right and so i mean a thing like a system where ipfs works and then like adding
an extra social layer on top of it where you know um not only can we communicate about what is shared
but like there's an active peer review process happening um perpetually on everything that's coming
in like you're saying these inputs be as uh you know peer review is so uh powerful and i mean like
it's not the end all be all of like um um authenticating you know uh research whether
it's like replicable or not but i think it's important when we're talking about especially
like valuable eco data you know um that is couldn't be vulnerable or um you know uh prone to exploit or
whatever it might be you know like um you know it's important for us to like consider how to protect it
but also like even though we're protecting it we don't protect it in a way that it prevents us from
like reviewing and you know collaborating um and and you know collectively like um like authenticating
it in a way or preserving it particularly yeah i agree i think collective uh is is the future now like
there's so much information and now with the power of ai we have the we finally have a an efficient
method to filter information in in and direct it to a certain point that makes me think yeah another
idea i have that could also be interesting to to see if if it's already existing or or is it in the
process is to is so i don't know if you're familiar with syntropic uh agroforestry and all these agro
systems and and and so so um yeah it depends highly in in the in in the plants in the neighbor plants
so if if your plants will thrive or not no it depends on if this plant is sucking uh nitrogen or
putting nitrogen in in the in earth and the other one is sucking water or putting water and and all this
um symbiotic relationships between plants and it highly depends it's super like uh flexible no
because it depends on the region depends on the plants it depends on the altitude depends on the
humidity depends on many many many many things so is earth no that that's how like that's the essence
of every ecosystem every every ecosystem is like attached to its physical um
um situation let's say that way so imagine a um a program or a software where you could input
the data of the soil saying like okay we will test the soil we'll put all the information like this
is the amount of i don't know potassium this amount of sulfur these are the the variations
between these uh areas on on this element and stuff and then with that input you can also put many modern
many other inputs uh via sensors like humidity um all all those things and then this software could
tell you exactly where and and and and which kind of plant could you put in this area to have a
uh successful agroforestry system because what i've read and what i've seen and i really want to
get more into that with like super experts in agroforestry for for a project i'm doing besides
this but just to fully understand because what i've seen is that is test and try many of the times most of
the times like it's yeah they put some beans and they they saw that oh maybe there were so many beans
that that now there's so much nitrogen in the in earth and and all the plants are are polluted with
let's say that we know so it's it could be really interesting to assist agroforestry systems with a
software that could tell how is your system gonna gonna go in the future am i saying nonsense or could it
work what do you think about that man i have to jump off um i have a call in five minutes
but yeah i think you can continue uh uh thinking out loud this idea of of this or maybe you will
change the subject but it was a pleasure speaking to you bro and yeah for the listeners i hope this was
not so boring or just uh um out of out of the subject but yeah it was a good time
thank you bro thank you so much um yeah let's continue the conversation i think uh everything
you're saying is definitely possible i mean you know let's just one question who are you like who
is behind this account of solar pump guild wow yeah this is uh sean from uh from cool cool cool
i think i follow you from my other account but i will follow you now okay sean was nice talking to you
you bro see you later yeah yeah adios adios adios
jimmy are you there jimmy jimmy jimmy started some nice regen chats growing down
what's happening what's happening you got lenata up here too who's a gardener and wasn't a visible
economist curious no i was curious yeah i'm glad i got you curious um it's kind of like this made up um
um title because um i'm part of this um art collective called data data dot art um
and they created this whole system that they call the invisible economy which is um super interesting
it's been developed in development for a few years now um and this is one of the i'm not um so much
like an artist in the same to make drawings which is what people mostly do in this um art platform
uh but i'm very i'm actually interested in more like conceptual art and things like that
and money as art so uh i don't have like a real background in economy which is actually quite good
because um the classic economy thing it has a lot of problems and so i'm an invisible economist
so it's like a very very alternative um economist kind
very nice i i i really like that
i mean it doesn't mean that i am invisible in the sense that my person cannot see me it's more because
of the the concept invisible economy so then it leads to the invisible economist right so yeah i
don't know if people when when they see this they they think uh that means i'm invisible i don't know
what what goes to people's mind when they when they read that
yeah i know i didn't think you were invisible but i was just curious to know uh because i hadn't heard
about the invisible economy and uh some of these uh alternatives i see that uh you got a power pack
bundle suggestion for gitcoin donations love this so regrow can you tell us about some of these that you're
um that you're um that you're showing in the in your page like uh regrow stateless symbol yeah so so
just to kind of like brief like a stateless dow is a cooperative toolkit so is the is it kind of like a
little pack of uh contracts and the uis for a group of artists to deploy their cooperative and then they can
share revenues between themselves in a kind of more automated way uh keep that out of their minds just
keep doing art and um help each other whoever makes the sale all the others will get a little bit of
that and so this is a stateless dow and that's is running on the open source round a lot of competition
in that rounds kind of feels weird to you know we're all for collaboration and then we're part of this
super competitive round uh and then regrow is um a group of artists who are also farmers and um or just
do like regenerative practices in their land um i'm not like a big uh farmer i have like a small plot of
land uh in brazil where i'm from and i also have a very small also plot of land in germany in berlin where
i'm currently living so i'm more like an urban region but then we have people uh in italy and kenya in
south america in croatia that have kind of a bit like larger lands and and it's kind of like a mix of
different things and experiments that they they do uh but what kind of unites all of them is that they are
artists so they also you know create art together with that so that's a that's regrow project and then
symbol is a very new project that i'm stuck starting in um token engineering so it's part of the token
engineering round like a super small kind of niche round like uh it's not a core round it's one of the i
i guess they call them feature rounds that's going in this um gga team and it's kind of creating
this funny token fungible token contracts that um have some analogies to buddhism technologies so
these are very ancient technologies uh like prayer wheels and things like that holy temples and coding
that into smart contracts to create space for symbolic value into fungible tokens and not just
let's say monetary value or or governance whatever other value that people attach to the tokens so
that's in a nutshell my three the three projects that i'm part of with different groups there's some
overlap um some people like simon uh is part of regrow is he has some land in kenya and he's also
like a developer into the token project and then mark of that also is part of regrow in croatia he's
uh then also part of the art cooperative um stateless style so there's a kind of like a quite a nice
overlap between all these projects love it and are you involved in all of them or yeah i'm involved in
all that apparently this is crazy i didn't know that it's you know not many people have like three
projects in the realm
yeah i mean you're a great multitasker it sounds like um what's your area of of specialty how do you
try to add value in all these amazing projects i'm actually i'm a researcher okay
so the token engineering is really like a you know very much a research project but i'm also
like my methodology my research methodology is participatory research so i kind of investigate
and learn by doing so that's why i kind of do lots of things uh and it's super invaluable i think this is
like i'm super happy with this methodologies i think it brings so much more than just kind of like
sitting and reading or observing or thinking i mean of course i do that as well but the act of doing
um you know unleashes lots of discovery and learning that's what i believe
so yeah this is kind of how i arrive at all these different projects and i've been researching art for a long
time like artists and collaboration uh since 1993 or so so i guess it's like what 30 years
uh yeah art and collaboration and technology and more recently i've been focusing on money as a technology
uh but also towards like art purposes and and the collaboration aspect mixed there this is kind of
like what drives me wow honestly well like when i uh um when i first got into this space uh
it was because i was doing research as well like uh for sustainable decision making like how to incentivize
uh through money uh through money and through other ways uh but um you know the the biggest thing was
like i just wanted to get to a place where uh you know i was i started realizing like to collect data or um
you know aggregate data it was like so damn hard and um ultimately just wanted to like do cool visualizations and uh
uh tell stories with uh with um that data and uh you know like coming into the space it was like kind of
from that motivation of like okay like if we have a place where we can you know uh during the conduct uh
uh conducting of research or uh like replicating of already conducted research like the data is easily accessible
and therefore like the stories we want to tell from it like you know end up being able to uh be like woven
like woven much easier and like you know just the cool types of art like i don't know if you know
uh rafiq andol i'm not sure but i'm also kind of bad at remembering people's names no it's like
patients of um you know different
can you hear me
you're breaking i don't know if it's your connection or mine or i heard you all good all good all good
yeah yeah my connection is but it's bad too
but love
i can feel your game breaking
