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Gitcoin Radio: Geo Web and Impact DAOs
Recorded: April 27, 2023
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How is everyone today?
Excellent. Are you? Absolutely good. Doing good. It's been a long day for some reason, but the energy is nice. It's kind of exciting stuff popping off. I'm really excited to get an opportunity to speak with you both about
some of your projects. That's great thanks for having us today. I see a low-notch, maybe you should, yeah she's great, she's the founder of Ukraine now. Ooh, you want to get her up here?
Oh, that would be great perspective on "Thou's is great" and especially when we talk about "Impact Thou's" because that's how we went deep into "Impact Thou's" starting with "You, Crind Thou." Nice, nice. I was hanging out with a beautiful Ukrainian lady just last night.
Have you all gone to any of the other spaces yet?
Now this is my first for this round. Yeah, same here. I think this is one of the first ones or did it start this board?
already for like the all of our not quite sure I've been spend in the last couple of hours getting prepped and stuff so I tried to put my blinders on just so I was a little bit ready to go for this one
Hey, guys, hello. Good evening. Hey, hey. GM.
GMGM what's happening here hello Deepa I'm not super familiar with the format I said to reminder and just joined that's great you come because the space is about chilling your Bitcoin grant so I'm not
Do you know about GitCon grants? I've heard of them. So they run like every three months and for two weeks you have to really show your project and gather as many people to support your project.
based on that they distribute funds and they apply quadratic funding method. So the more support you get from your community, the more funds you get from the matching pool. It's not about how much money you raise, it's about how many people
of your race for your project. So that's the whole objective. And so this is like the two week period when everybody who's applied for getcoin grants, matching funds can they have to basically chill and get the word out about what they're doing. So if I applied for two grants, one is to
launch an impact of course because I feel like a lot of people are clueless about how to go with impact now. Like do it the right way. And the second grant that I'm applying is to continue to do more research. You know, we researched you in the last season, but now we've selected
16 new impact hours that we want to research and we want to update the book with those case studies and see what is the most effective way of decentralized organization on the internet to make real world impact. So that's the whole objective.
Dang, yeah, that sounds great Deepa needs to take my job So yeah, maybe he has to waiting for people to join See, I'm already taking your job. Maybe alone. I'm here but you bring now, you know that no
How I went down the impact that rabbit hole it was looking at the quaint thou form on the internet on Twitter literally in public it was built in public from day one and it caught my attention because I saw how rapidly they mobilized on the on the internet
Internet using web three tools and they fundraise and they fundraising is over but they continue to serve the Ukrainian people and so the Ukraine Dow exists and they have pods and their model has been cited by Vitalik Butrin in his blog so it's amazing maybe we can have a look
share a bit before every day. Yeah, sure for sure. Quick quick housekeeping for a second. Can you all see the the tweets that are related to your projects with the links to the get going like in the Twitter space right now? No, no. I can't. Does anybody have any idea how to add those links?
Have you added them to the nest?
To the what? To the nest. Have you hosted a Buddhist phase before? No. Okay, I will help you one second.
So I'm going to send you a link. I have a page called "Using Twitter" that's specifically designed for people like you. It's a drop it in new plies and you can refer to that page. And so basically if you want to add something to the nest,
You need to click on the share icon on the tweet and then you choose the space. The space will come up from the sharing options and you just click on that. Yeah, that's what you do.
There's one. Amazing. See? You're making progress. You are the best teacher ever.
Boom! There's two!
And since we are in a still zone today, I'll go ahead and add our two. So cool, those should all be there now. I put links to everyone's projects whose
kind of joined us today to kick off this GITCoin Radio 11-day 24 hour Joe Fest for all of the dope projects that everybody's working on.
Are all of the projects under the the metacrisis banner or are there multiple rounds going simultaneously? There's so much shit happening right now. I can't even keep up.
Yeah, we're not, uh, Gweb is named in the metacrisis. I'm aware of that, that, that round, but we're in the open source software one and then I think that's it. Okay. Cool. Cool. So you're open source software. Uh, DEPA, how about you? What round are you guys on?
I'm metacrisis and veterinary community and education. Okay, cool, cool. So we spread the love across multiple rounds. Would you but once you get started, tell us a little bit about, you know, you have multiple projects right now related
to impact the house. You want to give us a pitch? Yes, definitely. So before I talk about impact on media, I think I should talk about my story about how I got into the Dao Rabbit hole, which I basically was through seeing how a Lona
initiated Ukraine now and organized people so effectively on the internet using Web3 tools to fundraise for Ukraine and they continue to serve Ukraine and so that has been my big source of inspiration and I wanted to study the impact of our
to see how it can be the model for doing good because I feel like we are living more and more of our lives on the internet. It's easier to meet people on the internet. It's easier to, you know, it just far more cost effective and efficient and this is the future. Like people will meet on the internet to make real world difference. You know,
That's the whole pitch behind it. And right now, we come on the internet to discuss issues, but we go back to work in offices and use all methods of solving problems. And why aren't we embracing the future? It's already been embraced by an open software
community like they collaborate on GitHub and they write code and they've been doing this for ages but others haven't caught on to it yet. So that's the that's basically the whole idea behind Impact Domino. We want to study impact those that are
there in the space, understand how they function on the internet, how they structure themselves, how they govern themselves because it's decentralized organizing. It's not one person making decisions, but multiple people coming, you know, everybody having a say. And so we want
to understand the model, we want to profile these case studies, we want to tell their stories and inspire others to build in Web 3. And so we've got multiple ways that we go about telling their stories. One is that we have one-on-one conversations with all the impact that
the part of our research project and we stream those conversations as podcasts so they're pretty authentic and raw like you can just listen to them and understand the mind of the founder or the contributor in terms of how they got started on this journey. What are the things they're doing? What kind of decisions they're making? Why they chose not to use say
For instance, you can now never introduce a financial token because she knows what happens when you do that because in fact, that was a different from D5 dollars. And so we want to really understand their model of operating, which is very, very different from any other dollar.
that exist in the Dow space. So we are exclusively focused on impact cows and in season one that was GR 14, Githuan ran 14 made 20, I think it was June 2022, is when we got started. So we fundraised, we raised $8,000 on Githuan
For the first time, as a DAO wrote a book after researching 12 impactiles, Gitcoin was part of it. And that book is open source. It's available on impactiles.xpc. And that's the very first book that's written about impactiles and that profiles
12 mature impact hours as of June 2022. So it was very hard to find experienced hours, but we still managed to find some of actually they are the best. And they're listed there and people come and learn about them. But what I've seen is that despite the book and all the knowledge being there,
I feel like people still need to tailor-made solutions. They have been having so many conversations with the impact of builders, people who are coming new to the industry. They want to know exactly what to do. Book is there, case studies are there, those are great sources of inspiration and knowledge. But then how do
structure knowledge in a way that they can quickly inject it literally and start building the impact house. So that's the course. So if you want to introduce a course, it's already live in our telegram group and I love Alona also to join that telegram group and all the experienced ones can start training the newcomers.
And it's a really easy flow, seven step course, like starting with what's an impact how and your mission statement and your values, because as I said, impact, that was a very different from D5,000, they align around meaning and purpose over money. So the thought process is a different and and then we just take them through the whole
How do they incentivize contributors? How do they fund race through crypto-native ways? What's the legal structure going to be? It's a seven-step course and we've already launched three modules and the course is running. It's absolutely
free for anybody who wants to learn. So that's one. A second goal is to actually continue with the research because the knowledge is rapidly evolving. You know, those that we've studied, some of them are considering changing their governance model because, you know,
they got started on the DeFi, though standards, but soon realized that it doesn't apply to impact house. So a lot of them are making changes. A lot of new dows have come along in the impact house space, including the network state, the decentralized science, so we want to continue study.
these organizations and see how they structure themselves, how they are operating on the internet to make work happen. And based on those studies, we want to draw conclusions in terms of what is the protocol for coordinating on the internet. That's the big idea.
love it, love it. We're all working to figure out how to do that. How to slave my leg with dowels and coordination. Definitely speak in my language. How about Graven? We want to introduce us to your project. You are working with the GOW
you're self described that you think a lot. So what are you thinking about? Yeah, yeah. So it is graven on the other side of this GeoWeb Twitter account. And I think we haven't met Deepa but I've been aware of kind of the impact of all stuff of the book and all that.
Obviously, and not unexpectedly, a lot of shared ethos, we just happen to go about trying to create that in the world through an application. And that application for us is the GO web. We describe it a lot of ways, but basically we're trying to create
And the information network that can be used for the next generation of smart devices. Deepa talked about living on the internet and the impact of all the things that we do on the internet. But the next set of smart devices, they're going to be in our field of view, augmented reality glasses,
virtual reality, things that we wear and have direct access to our brains. And so rather than kind of repeat all the same applications and infrastructure that we see on smartphones and with apps and the algorithmic news feeds, we're trying to build a different model. And so what
that bulls down to is trying to first create a system of property rights for digital land that's across the globe and design that in a way that's fair and productive. And we do that by using a system called Harberger Taxes or Partial Common Ownership. Basically bulls down to you can claim an NFT
that represents a real-world location and that's kind of like your domain name for this world when we're going to have heads-up displays on and devices that we're moving around in the world and you might want to see an augmented reality statue anchored somewhere or a menu or a bus schedule or
something that is relevant to your current location and do it in a way that is cohesive and shared. And so rather than outsourcing that to an algorithm or Apple or Google or a siloed app, we want to try to create an open web experience. And so you claim the land.
You are the domain name owner for that and you can publish content. Our Harborgar taxes prevent people from squatting on that land by requiring the user to set a for sale price for their NFT. And then to back that up, charging a net, what we call a network fee
percentage based off of that for sale price to back it up. So you can't just say this, the Eiffel Tower, I was here first, it's worth a billion dollars unless you're willing to pay, in our case, 10 percent, $100 million a year to maintain a license. So you create a nice, nice open free market
And we end up, sorry, I have a dog barking in the background all of a sudden. Um, electing those funds and being able to give those to public goods and create the types of things that we can all share and benefit from. Um, and so it ends up being kind of killing two birds with one stone.
We can allocate this space, create a cohesive open web experience, and then actually create sustainable funding for the open source tools, content creators, educators, the DAO's that are going to make the impact to actually make this competitive with the centralized services.
That's super dope. Love to see experimentation around Harvard, Harvard, who taxes and property rights sounds like a pretty cool application of that.
Let's see, so this isn't your first rodeo. You mentioned being part of get coin rounds 14 and 15. What were some of the key insights that you took away from participating in those rounds? Yeah, so GR 14, I was, no, that was the first
was time that I fundraised on Bitcoin and I think I was classified really well like I was under the DEI round. So and my profile really speaks DEI because you know in I'm a global citizen I've lived in many countries I can connect pictures about anybody and so that was really great because there's a newcomer I
get an insight knowledge about how things happen in impact house. And so it was amazing. And then we raised this money. And through that, we were able to pay for our subscriptions. That's very important because we are a media organization. We do podcasts and stuff like that. So we've got multiple subscriptions
for different things and we were able to pay bounties to our contributors. So it basically all went back into the community, you know, everything went back into the community, all the money that we had. It was like totally powered by Web 3 and we reinvested back in the community. And so, and we
It produced a book out of nothing like there was nothing to begin with and now we have a solid knowledge on impact thou's and it's the book is hosted in GitHub for collaborative updates. So, you know, we are very inspired by biology. Sheenavassan, he's talked about making books dynamic.
Like, once generally what happens is that once you publish a book, the publisher or the author doesn't revisit the book for years and maybe never make an update, but books should be treated like apps and you know, knowledge is evolving. So why not we treat books like an app? So we totally designed the infrastructure for impact up.
to be like an app where people can make updates and it automatically pushes out on the website. It's in digital format. And so, and GR 15, we found raised again. Our idea was to keep telling the stories of impact on our builders, you know, not the
The ones that are not part of a research but are still doing amazing work. And we've recorded a number of podcasts, we've done blogs and stuff like that. But now it's been six to seven months that we've been operating and we want to revisit our, you know,
are very origin, again, which was to basically research these organizations. So we've selected 16 new impactiles after a thorough consideration. And we are very excited to study the belong from five different categories. I'm view very excited.
about the network state character because I feel like that's where the future is headed. You know, highly aligned minds on the internet forming borderless world. And we had a first kick off interview two days ago with gift thou that's an amazing community of nomads.
I'm working together, like think of them as they come with all the luxuries of a, you know, like if you're going to participate in Burning Man, like Elon Musk coming with the straightener. You know, so they have everything and people are working like they were, when I spoke to them, they were at Joshua Tree.
in the vans and there are about like 20 people stationed there but they have a big community of 300 people digital you know no mad's basically who can just work from anywhere and all they want is communal vibe and and they love to travel so kid life is like a dow with
is network state and making, you know, and they have plans to buy land and stuff like that. So it's really fascinating to study these new DAO models and see where the world is headed. You know, it's very different, it's drastically different from everything that we're doing today.
Great. Graven, you want to talk to us a little bit about your revenue model and I see that you guys are funding kind of open source software with your land market. How is that getting to builders and artists and educators?
Yeah, so I guess it's the revenue model is kind of two things. I guess as a group of builders, what we see is we've been supported through Bitcoin grants. We've been around a long time. I think our first one was GR8. So we were in kind of the stone ages of
get going grants and it's evolved a lot and we are super super lucky and appreciative of the support that we've gotten over the years. There was one quarter when Mark Zuckerberg first started talking about when they changed Facebook to meta, people started saying, "Oh, this open meta versus saying we need to start funding it." That was our
biggest good coin grant round ever and so we're very thankful for that. So as a group of builders we have not raised any venture capital fund and funds and don't plan to under any sort of traditional model. So it's all been grants that have funded us and like I said super appreciated
of that and we want to pay that forward and also just by our ethos and morals. If we create this smart contract digital land market for the whole world, we don't believe we should be landlords for that. So we don't control those funds. Those are all 100%
100% going to creators and builders and the people that create public goods education information theory. And so we just launched in January of this year. So we've been kind of collecting our funds from this land market. They're building up and we'll actually be running our own quadratic funding
around in July is the plan for us to do it. And so the people that build public goods will first have to start kind of with a small circle of people that are focused on the geo web. Obviously small group trying to bootstrap this. Our group of builders will be one of those recipients.
And if one of the grantees and if people determine that we can, that those funds from our land market can go to us, that's great. We appreciate that and we're going to continue to do what we do. But it is an open call to anyone really that wants to do it. We have, we're, I don't know, maybe
somewhat radical, but maybe in this group of people, we believe that this model of funding public goods, open source software, committing to decentralized structures is the way to go for us to build the most robust, best versions of these software platforms.
And so we have some ideas of how we can put our spin on quadratic funding. We have, we collect our funds via stream. So we're really looking forward to experimenting with streaming quadratic funding. But initially it'll just be a quadratic funding round just like get coined, but it'll be GM.
web focus, maybe it'll be a side ground up on, on the get coin itself, but since we're kind of small, it probably will just run it on our own infrastructure and all that sort of stuff, but using proof of humanity or a get coin passport for kind of you determine
matching validity for funders. It'll be open for anyone to decide how geo web funds are allocated to the public goods that they determine that are most valuable and concurbiting the most to the overall well-being of us all. Are you all running geo web as a doubt?
I hesitate using that word because it's very loose right now. We don't have formal structures. We've been very diligent and patient. We haven't launched a token or anything like that. We never raise VCs so it's like, there's not any on-demo
change sort of mechanism. It's very much reputation based. Myself and my co-founder Cody met at an East Denver, started working on this and then it just kind of organically grew. We had a developer that was doing bounties for us and all of a sudden he was doing so many bounties, he was just kind of part of the team.
So it's very loose like that, but it's small and we've embraced the informal nature as we try to set up the systems for scale, but not getting ahead of ourselves. And in time, as scale maybe gets forced upon us,
We need to figure out those things and we'll be looking to NEPA and all the research that they've done and leaning into the lessons that others have learned. You know, I would suggest you do the impact of course because it doesn't talk about tokens or anything. In fact, going on chain is the very last bit of it. The first bit
It's basically organizing your community and just defining your purpose, your mission, your values and just getting started with your mission and eventually figuring out the decentralization part because decentralization is a journey and it's best that you moved in that direction.
and I put it in a multi-second, I had complete strangers with me on the multi-side. And now I'm taking like a middle approach because I've gone through my own coordination hell. You know, like, I'm going to be a little bit more
in the last six to seven months. So I feel like it's best to start slowly and I'm sure Alona will have a lot to say because before she started Ukraine, she was deeply immersed in the London Dau scene and she's seen a lot of things that you know if you try to introduce tokens and get people to your Dau because then
And they're especially financial tokens and stuff like that. You don't get the mission aligned people initially. So I'm sure Luna will share some bit around that. - Luna, want to speak up? Let us know what's going on. - Hey. - You're creating now. - Jipa is so, so right.
about everything that she just said, I could agree more because there is basically a lot of moving parts when you're starting the dow and it's going to get overwhelming because you are trying to predict things that have not materialized yet. You cannot predict in advance how people in
your group, in your communities you're going to coordinate. And so a DAO should be treated as a kind of, it should be a loud plasticity if that's the right word to change in the future. And something that happens very often with the DAO, as I've seen it a million times,
is that people are distributing it token, then they really don't think through the consequences of governance in the future, and then the human factor kicks in, and it just becomes like a lot of struggle over something that should be facilitating coordination
not getting in the way of it. Something that I read in an article about, it mentioned you green doubt to you, that the day is that the crypto part with impact does should probably come last. So you shouldn't actually try to figure
around every single problem at the same time. And if you're going to, if you had like determined to introduce token gated governance, which is not necessary, by the way, I've figured out at least with impact hours, then you should probably worry about it last.
But yeah, we trained out in the very beginning. We spent a lot of time and it's a continuous process. But we spent a lot of time like reading up on organizational health. And organizational health is something that's like the single most important thing.
that you need to have in your team and your community for your project to make a long-term impact. Because otherwise, it's just going to be constant trouble. And if I could recommend one single book to read on this, it's called The Advantage by Patrick Lenzio and
I'll drop it in the replies as well. It was recommended to me by Vitalik Staddema, and I didn't listen to that advice at first, but then once I read that book, I regretted that I hadn't read it earlier, so whoever is building any community or any
team that would be the go-to book because it basically explains how the how our health coordination works and how our health team works and it explains things like the needs to cultivate conflict in a team that is very often
and not explained. And people are avoiding conflicts and as a result there is also a dysfunction. And there is also better. There is not a book by the same guy called Five Disfunctions of a team, but that's for a separate Twitter space. So yeah, that's what we've been using mostly.
Imagine that you've seen a full spectrum of problems in different forms throughout your doubt journey. What are some of the pressing issues that you're trying to solve at the moment? If not only I've seen all those spectrum, I think we've caused a new problem.
Or if you become a target at least for a new problem, I don't think that there has been another doubt that's been a subject like targets of so many info attacks, but that is due to the nature of Ukraine down, right? It's very political.
Like, that was a very often, they are usually complete opposite, right? So anybody can join, anybody can participate and so on. So if we allow the stats and you can end out, that would be a disaster from the beginning. So you have to kind of keep the community here.
to protect it. But then also obviously it gets attacked a lot and there is a lot of like there is a lot of like bot farms there is a lot of people who are a little bit disturbed there is a lot of slander online and you have to like our
approach to that has been instead of refuting every individual false claim, which is the purpose of it is to retire you out. So it's not going to work because the moment you refute one thing, they come up with another one. So what
What we try to do instead is to help people educate themselves about psychological warfare and how to pick up on a manipulation or how to pick up on information that's presented in a misleading way because that's a skill set that's they're going to find useful.
in their everyday life, anyway, especially when it comes to Ukraine, right? So, yeah, that's the problem that I really didn't anticipate it to this extent. I knew it was going to happen, but I really had no idea how far it would go. So, yeah.
Wow, that is absolutely amazing. All of the issues that I'm struggling with on a database is I don't think psychological warfare is one of them. So kudos to you for all
of the work that you all are doing there and it's really has brought to light some of the potential of Dows for actual real meaningful causes and you know I know that's something that Dipper is also convinced of so you know Dipper why
Why in your opinion are doused the future for organizing around causes like climate and social change? Yeah, because the nonprofits or the social impact organizations are still stuck in the past like technology has
changed our life. You know, we now don't have to hail a cab anymore. We can just Uber it and order food in. It's changed. Our lives have changed, but our work style hasn't changed. We are still thinking pre-internet, you know, while
While everything has moved on the internet. So the future of organizing is going to be on the internet when you It is borderless. You can tap in resources, tap in people's expertise from everywhere.
So it's the future and web three applications enable that kind of decentralized community organization. Multiseg is the single most best invention of blockchain, I would say, because now strangers can come together on the internet pool and resources.
you know, they can have a joint bank account on the blockchain, you know, voting can be on chain. Those are, as I said, like moving completely 100% on chain is the last bit of an impact, but at least everybody once they have some money, they can, you know, the first thing they do is open a multi-sciple.
You can go mission first, you don't have to go to a bank and then start opening that bank account which can take months. And also streamlining legal is going to get easier endowment is going to make it smart contract enabled. So things like the infrastructure wasn't there around impact does but it's it's happening.
we are talking so it's going to become so much more easier to launch as a social impact organization on the internet than in real life. Hi, Kancham. In the beginning, I couldn't anticipate all the use cases that
Ukraine dial was going to have so it started as a fundraiser and even then like a lot of people were asking why do you need a dial for that? Why don't you just why come people just the name to it's certain charities directly? My reply has always been like
You donate wherever you want, like everybody should be donating in accordance with their personal preference. But the benefit of the DAO is that it creates a community and in the events of a kind of
I've been inspired a lot of disaster response styles. In that event, you really benefit from having a community because people can come together and they can assist each other in ways that go beyond donating funds.
And then a lot of a lot of use cases that emerged afterwards. I just couldn't anticipate because I had no idea that technology like that exists. So you've been helping. The styling lab, it's a centred back project that documents Russian work.
on blockchain. So the way it works is that you've been evidenced is collected, let's say you're taking a picture or a bit, you pinpoint through the signal app the exact location where the evidence was collected and then it's submitted to
the port with that exact the ledger of data preserved and it's very obviously it's very difficult to sample with that data and so we've already helped to submit the first the first dossier like that to the international criminal port nothing like the
has ever been submitted to a court ever and it was groundbreaking work you know and without the doubt it would have been harder to do it and if you just obviously I had no idea of even its existence when we started so that's just like
one of the examples, but we've been using it to translations, to counter disinfer all sorts of things that you just don't anticipate at the beginning, but you can do them once you have a community that wants to support.
I just wanted to give a shout out to Kift Dow that's part of a study, a second research study and also coconut network. I can see Wasabi. Wasabi is also part of our second study. I'm really inspired by both the models. So Wasabi is using the Dow
model to do local regeneration and preserving coconut plantations in Dominican Republic. And Alona talked about the power of community. And what he's doing is he's mobilizing global community. You know, people can be part of his DAO and they can buy a coconut tree and that is basically, you know,
their contribution to regenerating the land and preserving those plantations and making sure that they're used for coconut plantations basically. And he has a whole big vision around it, you know, like how he can then continue to engage the community past the initial contribution, you know, how
They can come and live there as well. And Kift Dow is amazing. I just talked about the highly aligned community of people who love to travel and live together and work together and the current East Asian at California
Joshua Tree they were in Baja before that and it's it's a network state in making. So it's there as well. Yes definitely shout out to Wasabi doing doing some good work down there and doing it on cane as well.
I've also heard wonderful things about Kift Dough, but haven't gotten involved in that community at all. So, great. You've got Jill with Live on Optimism. You want to talk to us a little bit on how you chose that as kind of your home and why you made the decision to go to an L2.
Yeah, for sure. It was, so we've been working on this a while and we've always been trying to build for the long term. So for a long time, we were, we're going to launch on ZK sync because that was the first EVM compatible, zero knowledge, roll up. And those were kind of the two big things. We wanted to stay
within the Ethereum ecosystem, because of the public goods focused and then zero knowledge roll ups because we thought that that would be the long-term winner. We always deepen our heart, we're pulled towards optimism because that same first requirement of being public goods focused. We think that's not just the
a good thing, but actually the better strategic move is to embrace positive some games, create these things, but we didn't want to make a short-term decision and go on to an optimistic roll-up if that wasn't going to be a long-term solution. But it turns out that optimism was one step ahead of us and that they were designing
some technical infrastructure to make optimism not just an optimistic roll up but just a roll up and that the proving system could be swapped out later and be transparent to the applications that were running on it as a roll up. So we got lucky to get introduced, talk
to some of the core engineers that optimism sometime maybe fall last year, late summer last year, and heard about the bedrock implementation that should be going live here soon. In the next, there's not a date set that the next, let's say quarter or so that will allow
optimism to maintain its EVM equivalents and at some point become maybe a hybrid or a ZK roll up but then also be a part of this public goods ecosystem that puts that foremost as a strategy and something that we can believe in and really happy that we made that decision.
Not that's super cool. I love to see it. And how is that working out kind of with the open source community? Is there a strong support for that on optimism as well? Yeah, for sure. I think there's a big overlap when you say public goods, open source, like those are maybe
different like people have focuses within it, but they believe in, probably a couple times, like a positive some mindset. The idea that you can do things, it can be good for you, but good for other people, and that it ends up kind of compounding when you have that mindset. That's open source, that's public goods, and so that's pervasive in optimism because
system. Up in L2 land it is still UX challenges, getting people in there, getting funds bridged, understanding the different mental models that you need to manage these wallets. We're in that challenging point.
We're trying to drive a lot of land claims right now. And so I'm taking a lot of calls with friends or anyone on the internet that will talk to us. And we'll talk them through the process of bridging or depositing funds directly to optimism. And yeah, there's a lot of challenges there. But I think there's enough energy to carry the day.
being open source, I think it all ends up accruing and so really looking forward to not just what we're building but everything else kind of going on in L2 land. I just wanted to add the decay sink, the founder is Euclainian.
And so I get very excited when I gave in, I mentioned it because the founder Alex Guteciinsky helped me a lot in the beginning of Ukraine, and so I'm very grateful to him and Tiki Sink in general is very awesome technology because I'm very biased
because it's developed by your parents. That's really cool. So, and that's the positive sum. Like I still love ZK Synch. It was the right move for us to go to optimism. Timing wise too, we wanted to launch. We've been kind of sitting on some tech for a while. So we kind of had a felt some pressure
to get out in the market and start getting stuff. But with open source, there's cross-pollination of ideas and bearing, and it's not just a winner-take-all ecosystem. So, yeah, still plenty of love for ZKSank and all the other zero-knowledge roll-ups, optimistic roll-ups that share the same ethos.
So I'll go around and ask the same question to everybody and I'll make some assumptions about what keeps Alona up at night, but I would love to hear it from her, you know. What keeps you up at night these days?
But to be honest, I think it's like the sense of urgency that you have as a Ukrainian person, you just can't really relax. Like some people can, I really struggle with it.
And so it's like a consequence pretty much since the first game of invasion began. It's not, I've not started it off because it feels like we did, it feels like all there is so much to do. You just, you just like, this anger.
In the review of the page, there's anger and I would say, "right is hatred." The outrage that you feel is what pushes you forward, ultimately. Because otherwise, you just lay down and die from grief.
And it becomes like a kind of becomes your power machine, you know. So I'm very grateful to Deepa who appeared in the very beginning. And she was like, I remember like popping up every
I don't know, I've been out and done. And I did at some point of realize she was like taking notes. And it was really amazing to see that it turns like eventually into a whole book because to me it's like the perception of time that
I have is probably a bit weird and so to me it was like one moment and all of a sudden she's come up with this amazing book that she's been writing and updating. So yeah it was very inspiring to see.
How about you, Deepo? What's keeping you up that night these days? It's the future. You know, I feel it's so exciting and not many people are able to see the future today. You know,
And everybody who's experimenting with impact, that's can see the future because we are basically figuring out for the rest of the people who are not in the space yet as to what
It should be. And I just want to document the stories of today's impactiles, figure out their, you know, learn from their mistakes because everybody's making a mistake and everybody's so open about their mistakes. Because the best part. Yes. You know, why they're making mistakes? Because like very few people actually go and
check what has been done before. So a lot of people are trying to kind of build a bicycle. When I spoke to Dima Bhattarion about Dallas, and his childhood friend, Michi, even though he works on a like a Dallas security
project, they told me that they're not really new. It's not really a new way of coordinating. And Ukraine, for example, has been like the way our society functions is very decentralized. It's like a doubt in itself.
And so it's really like it's it's it's it's a it can say one a lot of time which is going back and looking actually at the things that have worked in the past or haven't worked in the past because a lot of the mistakes that are being done they are actually preventable because
Once you start leaning on the experience of previous mistakes, but how the people you can actually avoid making your own ones. That's why the foundation coast that we've launched in the telegram group is really really important because I would say anybody who wants to start an impact now should take that course because it goes through the
very from the basics of it and things that they can avoid, you know, like for instance, just around governance and just around tokenizing everything and how else can they incentivize contributors, you know, and what is your community, like is community your bounty based community
because everybody, you know, now it's a big knowledge economy, right, around the house. And so who is your community? Who will be able to do through the spaces for you without asking for a bounty? You know, like you need to, like, there are so many learnings and there's a whole process and evolution.
around the space that we're just documenting the case studies, the learnings, the mistakes, and then we're trying to figure out what's the right formula. What is it that would take for effective coordination on the internet in a decentralized fashion? I think that's what we're trying to nail down.
And the first thing is this really simple foundation foundational course on impact house, which is just seven steps. And Alona would love for you to come and teach that course as well. It's chat based. It's in telegram. I'll pull you into that group.
And just share and so we have coconut network to sharing the experiences like how did they find their tribe these are important questions, you know You want to launch is a doubt you want to build with the community, but how do you find your community where you go for it? You know, but before that you need to define your values or your you know your why why do you exist what's your purpose and before
that you need to understand what impact those are. So we've covered these three modules right now. It's very chat-based. Experience founders are sharing their experiences there. So it's an amazing course. Anybody who wants to launch an impact thou should definitely take it. It's free. >> Great. And let's keep in you up at night.
the high level is mallick of course everything is coordination but the specific under that umbrella that I think about is like our susceptibility like the lower the brainstem
and our susceptibility to inflammation in all of its forms, whether it's like algorithmic feeds or just the things that get us riled up and our ability to avoid those emotional responses that create more malloc and
or mollic winds versus the clear headed, ordinate and of building the systems, the society, the things that we want the future to look like. I think we're capable of those things, all of us are, but we're also all susceptible to lacking that clear headed
thought and so trying to create the ecosystem that helps not shield us but just sets us up for more success in that and then compounding those systems up into societies kind of all what this whole space is about for me.
That's really cool. I assume we're all encountering Malik in the metaverse and struggling with various issues related to coordination and like Alana and Deepa mentioned, you know, sharing those struggles.
struggles and not only the winds but also the failures is how we kind of grow together is how we build this ecosystem into something greater than what we've seen in the past.
So now we're in the present, but let's kind of move towards the future for a couple of minutes. Let's finish up with everybody touching on, you know, what your hope for the future would be. Graven, you want to start us off?
Yeah, so obviously we're building something for the future in terms of like an application for augmented reality, but that's not the thing that's most exciting for us. That's the means to end for us to build these coordination systems of public goods funding.
And building the better future. It just so happens that I think this this technological change creates an opportunity to leverage that. So yeah, I'm looking forward to solar punk.
future where we can live in harmony. It's not utopian, but the term I like is pro-topian. We're progressing forward, we're building towards better futures always. There's no such thing as perfect, there's no one answer.
answer. And so I like the diversity of thought, people, ideas, experiments, and that those are all end up contributing towards that better future.
Oh, well, I'm just very grateful to have been here because I feel like I've just discovered something that can be potentially useful to you, Crane Dow as well. And yeah, I just want to shout out deeper because she's been an absolute legend.
extremely hard working but also like she thinks very deeply about things which is something that this space really vanishes from so I wish a good luck with the grant and we should set up something with Ukraine down as well
Yes, definitely. Let's do it with Ukraine now because I think the best we so far like are best in fact our condosations have been with Aloha myself and just pulling in other members from other founders from the impact out season one mostly women founders of itself.
There's the best deep thinkers. Like Anastone of Good Dolled Down, she's amazing, she was part of a study last year and she had two different tokens. One obviously is the G token which is the UBI token.
And then she had a different token for governance which had no value attached to it. Now that's amazing. And we also had proof of humanity as part of a study last year and they basically had certain of the fight on Twitter and they put their, we interviewed the chief technology officer,
of Kilaris and also the co-founder of Kilaris, the team that came together to form proof of humanity. And those two podcasts are the most listened, like they are the most popular podcasts on our all about impact, that was because they just go through their really nightmarish Tao experience
and with voting, they call themselves the perfect democracy, one person, one vote, delegate voting, everything they had, and they still as a doubt they failed. And in the end, the founders basically talk about just revisiting this whole
whole voting system and coming to a middle path. You know, so everybody has been so honest. I'm grateful to all the co-founders and contributors who've been part of the study or who are going to be part of the study for being honest because when you share honestly like openly, then others learn from it and avoid those mistakes.
Perfect way to end. Well, I certainly appreciate everybody who joined us today. The projects are absolutely amazing and the future that we're building together looks beautiful. So best of luck
to everybody in this round of Getcoin Grat. And if you're interested in continuing on this Getcoin radio chaos for today, the next group that's hosting the upcoming hour is the Green Digital Guardians. And so
Thank you so much for us. And when you're ready for on-chain governance and custom dowels, come to bootlegas. Since we've been in a show zone, I had to get my own end.
Thanks all, it was a lot of fun. Cool, cool. Thank you. I made the funny meme by the way. I put it up in the nest as well. Oh, thank you. That's my full of you. Perfect. Perfect.
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FAQ on Gitcoin Radio: Geo Web and Impact DAOs | Twitter Space Recording
What is the purpose of the Gitcoin grants?
The purpose of the Gitcoin grants is to distribute funds to projects using quadratic funding method based on the support they get from their community.
What is the objective of Impact DAO?
The objective of Impact DAO is to study, understand and profile Impact DAOs and inspire others to build in web 3.
How did the founder of Impact DAO get into the DAO rabbit hole?
The founder of Impact DAO got into the DAO rabbit hole by seeing how Alona initiated and organized people so effectively on the internet using web3 tools to fundraise for Ukraine and they continue to serve Ukraine.
What is the model behind Impact DAO?
The model behind Impact DAO is decentralized organizing, where multiple people have a say and make decisions instead of one person making decisions.
What methods does Impact DAO use to tell the stories of Impact DAOs?
Impact DAO uses one-on-one conversations as podcasts to tell the stories of Impact DAOs.
What is the focus of Impact DAO?
The focus of Impact DAO is exclusively on Impact DAOs.
What season did Gitcoin run the first research project for Impact DAO?
Gitcoin ran the first research project for Impact DAO in season 1, which was Gitcoin round 14 made in June 2022.
What was the fundraising amount for Impact DAO's first research project?
The fundraising amount for Impact DAO's first research project was $8,000 on Gitcoin.
What is the inspiration behind Impact DAO?
The inspiration behind Impact DAO is to study Impact DAOs, understand how they function on the internet, how they structure themselves and how they govern themselves to inspire others to build in web 3.
What is the future of doing good according to Impact DAO?
The future of doing good is people will meet on the internet to make real world difference, which is far more cost-effective and efficient and this is already being embraced by an open software community.