Hey, hey, hey, Ribyoka, just getting the space started, a lot of small technical issues.
My first time hosting the space and everything.
But hey, glad to have you here.
Let's just wait for a couple of people to show up as well.
Getting the space on board, just a little bit of waiting, and we'll get it all started.
Hey, I can see, that's amazing, guys.
Let's spin off some GPUs here and some PyTorch.
So, I'll give you a small introduction into our project, and we can move on from there.
So hey, hi, guys, I'm Rishi.
Glad to see you all here.
I'm working currently with Lunar Punk Labs, and our vision is to create dynamic impact
certificates which work in a complete different way as compared to the static ways with which
we've been doing these impact certifications and things like that.
So yeah, how we plan to do it is by taking our measurement and reporting oracles and creating
local brains that can tell you whether regeneration is happening or not, depending on the values
that's been encoded within that brain.
So if you go to a place, let's say you are someone who owns a piece of land in Europe
and you went over to a beautiful retreat in Brazil who have been using our models
to take in all the sensor data that they have and using that to essentially say, hey,
regeneration's happening here and things like that.
So you could take that intellectual property of their wisdom of how they steward the land,
bring it back to your place, and essentially bring that brain along with you in order to
measure impact and yeah, create things for you.
And hey, Jimmy has his hands up.
Jimmy, if you want to start, help me with this little speech thing.
Super quick little housekeeping.
So we're trying to keep consistency as much as possible with these spaces.
So please just tap on the title at the top and update it to what I just pinned.
So megaphone, Gekko, and radio, the hashtag, then community.
That's where we're all keeping the consistent name.
By the way, everybody retweet.
There's another quote tweet, never mind.
So I'm going to retweet all the quote tweets, much love.
And yeah, everybody head to the comment section bottom right and just tap that RT button.
I'm going to do this from the SoulPong Guild page and everybody else.
And yeah, Rish, if you could just tap.
So you do megaphone, then all caps, Gekko and radio.
And then the hashtag is actually Gekko and beta, the ETA, and then community instead of 24 seven.
I'll be back from the SoulPong Guild page.
Now we're under the Gekko and radio banner.
So I went to your link tree.
I went to your documentation and I checked all the consensus stuff and information.
And then I went there and I saw Kepler wallet.
Nice, because I'm like core dev inside the ecosystem.
Cosmos, Juno, Atom, Terra.
I was working with Terra Formlabs before.
So with Kepler, with Leap Wallet and also on the new interchange station and so on and so forth.
So something that we're working on.
Do you have your own chain already up?
Like, no, no, no, we will be starting that soon.
But right now, I guess the first thing that we will be building on Cosmos would be Bitcoin.
So I'm partnering up with Wico.io.
That's Lawrence and James who have built a colonic social media platform.
And we will be using that to build a Gitcoin contract system so that people can put up
projects as commons to, let's say, someone puts up a meta crisis as a round and has a pool attached to it.
So, you know, a project that says, hey, this is some ideas that I have and puts up a project there.
And this one has the pool, like it's like a DAO governance system.
I'm working on enterprise.money, which is exactly like not exactly.
It's more like for DeFi or like, let's say, for community DAO, voting treasury management or funds
without this functionality.
And I just yesterday or something was proposing this to the community that we should have like some subgroup
funding pools where everyone can put in some, let's say, tokens and for some purpose like this,
instead of just like text or WebAssembly smart contract interaction proposals like this.
And I would love to hear what was the second name you mentioned, two persons or a project that you kind of.
And we were thinking of doing DAO integration for that whole side of things.
But DAO DAO is looking very like complex at this moment.
So what is it that you're working on all the guys?
I also worked on DAO DAO with the guys, Jake Hartner and whatever.
Yeah, so we kind of thought the same and then we like Terraform Labs and some community guys like made it better.
Let's say like it's not so powerful as DAO DAO.
But I think that's a good thing because it's like the UX is not lagging.
It's working fine in code.
It's very well engineered and it is very slim.
And I'm working on automatization, on-chain automatization of these things interacting with the STAO protocol.
It's like a no code DAO system like DAO DAO.
It's based on a new Terra blockchain, but it can be forked to a new chain, whatever.
And I want to hear more and get in contact with these two persons that you mentioned.
Maybe you can DM me there.
Can you leave a link to your project?
I'll definitely come and follow you and we'll continue the conversation there on the DAO integration side of things.
But just leave the M.2 project.
I forget what you called it.
But yeah, just post that in the links and I'd love to check that out.
So, yeah, so let me just get back to the larger.
Yes, please. Yeah, so like a larger version of things.
Yeah, so the larger version of things that I want to communicate on that side of things, we're calling it Aurora.
And Aurora in the sense that we've got flares coming in from the sun and the earth has a magnetic field where all the flares which are coming,
all that pure funding that's coming, we can't really accept all of that light.
So what we need to do as a community is to create this magnetic protection network for our planet,
which will essentially like divert money to the right places that can take funding.
Because if you really overwhelm a project with a lot of funding, they don't really know what to do.
The scaling thing really gets over them.
And then the logic of money starts taking over and they lose their intentionality that they started with.
So that's what we as a community need to do.
We need to protect each other from the exposure to money, but also give people the exposure to money.
And in doing that, we will be creating colorful rainbows of conversation, thoughts and beauty that comes out of all of that money being moved around.
So you were also writing on like the meta crisis.
And what we really need for the meta crisis is to get good funding to people, right?
Like people's if their baseline needs are taken care of, you actually give them the time to sit on the ass and philosophize.
But it's only through that philosophizing that we get new concepts and new ways of doing things instead of being stuck in the old ways and like being dependent on that.
And so, yeah, one way to solve the meta crisis is get going get going the way it's been like funding projects, you know, where in the startup VC world, it doesn't matter what idea you have, what the VCs want is users and be able to sell it to another guy.
And that should not be the way we should build businesses and it's not move fast and break things, especially when it comes to the environment, you don't want to break it any further than we already have.
So what we want to do is move slowly and plant things and things like get coin has really given us like the ability to do it.
So, would you like to jump on board and like give us some stuff from your heart as to how you see the meta crisis can be solved?
I've invited you to speak, jump on board anytime.
So, yeah, so those are the two projects that we're working on. One is creating a creating a sorry, I'm just being overwhelmed by all of this get kind.
I mean, sorry, the space management thing. So, yeah.
So primarily what we are doing is creating aligning AI, aligning measurement reporting with values that we have.
And that should, in my opinion, come from the locale that is concerned about regeneration, not from people who are sitting in high castles and saying, hey, this is what regeneration should look like.
This is what climate science should look like.
And so, yeah, that's the intent there. And we have come up with a way to align AI using our values. So please go on.
Yeah, I'm still recovering from a flu. So I'm just enjoying whatever you're saying, resonate with most of it.
I think like you mentioned, the first thing that when we were looking at approaching this meta crisis is really understanding the baseline.
How much are we closer to the tipping points and in the local perspective and building out from that.
That's the right way to approach it. And like you say that, how can we merge these values and reporting systems on ground?
And actually, I think leveraging AI there is an exciting prospect. We'll see a lot of very, very interesting new products being built around this space.
And we are happy to be happy to support the Lunarpunk Lab team's vision. The larger vision has always resonated with me.
All the team members and their vision personally really resonates with me. And we have a very special collaboration in store as well,
which further works on improving this whole sense making as well. We call it the Atlantis Oracle.
It's a massive undertaking, but we are hoping that it will help us act faster and come to consensus about what is required to be done on ground faster.
Though like Rishi said, we need to build these solutions from on ground, not from high castles,
but these are ideological things that further delay the consensus. So how can we bring all of these players together?
Yes, we need the funding. Yes, we need to deploy it. But the means to deploy it and where it needs to be prioritized requires a lot of sense making.
So the sense making aspect is where Atlantis and Lunarpunk Labs will be working. I'm really sorry.
There's a lot of noise in my background. But yeah, once again, happy to be here. Happy to listen to Rishi and like what we have in store for this space.
Hey, hey, hey. So everyone out here, I mean, Erittu is a great guy. Like he is a leader. That is a proper role model for me.
And the project they're doing with Atlantis, it's it's beautiful. Like it's it's solving the problem of water scarcity while giving the next generation of people better jobs and like, you know, better jobs that they can actually regenerate the environment.
You know, like if you're like I've had friends who are like, you know, filmmakers and stuff like that and for support, all they can do is like, you know, think of driving for Uber or delivering for Amazon.
Think about that, right? Like if you create a bounty ecosystem where people, you know, on their spare time or if they really want to get a career in regeneration can start by saving water as opposed to degrading the environment even further.
So that's beautiful. Please, please support Atlantis and their grant. I'm sure everyone knows them in this space. But still, come on, guys, push it, give them those dollars and let's grow.
Anybody else wants to come on and speak? Pinsave, I see you've been here.
Yeah, hello. Good morning. Like, yeah, like, you know, I had like I had struggled to to wake up to today, but like I had a have like a Twitter spaces in like 45 minutes. So this is like, I have to wake up, guys.
I feel you, man. I feel you. I'm very curious as to what your project is doing as well, like, you know, creating Pinterest for the Web3 space, you know, because like I've seen a lot of people use Pinterest.
Like, I'm coming from the design world and the design world really depends on Pinterest as a way of like cataloging ideas and like sharing ideas between people.
And a lot of cross pollination happens on Pinterest. So I'm curious what got you into the journey of, hey, we need a Pinterest for the Bitcoin. I mean, sorry, the Pinterest for the Web3 world.
Yeah, definitely. Sorry. Like, to be honest, like, this is not my idea to create the Pinterest for like for Bitcoin or like for Web3.
That's that was my idea of my friends with whom we collaborated on multiple projects.
And I've just told him, like, let's work on something. And like, I will help you build the technology.
I'm like, I will go to like Twitter spaces, market it, like, just give me some like really great idea, like a template.
And he came up with the idea for like decentralized interests, which like, like, I'm pretty sure like no other kind of project has tackled.
And like, this is pretty like, I'm really fascinated by like his idea and what it can like potentially lead to.
I think that like this is a really great idea for like, especially for people that like to share like really great photos or like videos.
And yeah, like, I'm really like, I'm really proud to work on this project.
That is cool to hear. So I was just thinking, like, you know, generally when we make or like when we use social media, we don't really see the work that goes in from the people.
Right. Like, we think, hey, the algorithm recommends.
Sorry, is it like the space rag or what?
Hello. Hello. Hey, sorry. Sorry. I was muted on my mic. A little bit disjointed here and all over the place.
So yeah, repeat what I just said. So people forget that social media requires a lot of work for the people who are participating, like the like liking a post, sharing a post.
We always think like it's the algorithm and the feeds, you know, that does the job of like getting stuff to people.
But we forget the impact and the real work that people are doing by liking stuff and sharing stuff and like, you know, doing comments on things.
So if Web3 gets into the ecosystem, like, you know, we can really like reward people for the work they're doing in order to keep up social media life.
So, hey, glad to see more projects in that space as well, because it's definitely part of solving the meta crisis.
And anybody else who wants to jump on and shell and talk about things, maybe about AI or whatever project they're working on, or how do we align capitalism?
We know that capitalism is the way to get money to the right people, but can we go beyond markets?
All of these are very interesting questions. I see Earth is now in the space.
Maybe, you know, we could invite them because I think they are dealing with something very similar in Turkey.
There's a lot of restoration and regenerative projects going on ground that would be interesting to know their perspective.
Meanwhile, how do you see how do you how do you see this space evolve, especially with the AI models now?
Like, what's your the whole take?
OK, so as I see, a generative AI is very useful for creating content, but we there is the same problem of we don't want the combinatorial explosion or like
of more content coming that people don't see or is not relevant.
So generative AI is very useful in, you know, for artists to create work and things like that.
But, you know, we don't we don't need to get caught with the generative AI buzz by itself.
AI in many ways helps us analyze data and, you know, the fundamentals of AI comes from there.
And what we do need is ways to essentially use AI to like look at all of this data that we're creating and make sense out of it as opposed to creating more within the AI, you know, with AI tools.
So that's what I think is important, honestly, like we're getting too caught up on the generative AI buzz.
And so it's like, OK, I'm no I'm no expert in this.
But like with my minimal knowledge on this, you're saying like more of like good structured data lakes, like decentralized data lakes and AI assistance built on top of that would be a good way to have access to a lot of data.
But you are not overwhelming the user, you're feeding them what is necessary.
This is very interesting for me as well, because you touched on that whole social media aspect.
Even with Atlantis, we were like, networks, it's not the size of the network that matters, really, it's actually how strong and sticky they are with one another, all the nodes, if you think about it.
And but to bring that depth, it's like it's like the next generation of social network has to resemble something like a AAA game, you know, where there's so much happening, but you still have a guided experience.
I feel that's where like AI is going to come.
So think about like whatever ecosystem you create is going to be like these massive data lakes and then you're going to have these personalized AI taking the end user in a more digestible experience of sorts.
You know, there is you're just getting over and with all this information and then it becomes a tough decision for the user to stick on or to leave, which means if they leave, like you're not your product's not really doing what it should do.
So this aspect is something that we are trying to also play around in Atlantis, where we're like, see, there's so much happening, right?
Like there is some people care about water, some people care about energy, some people care about food, but all of these things matter.
All of them are linked. Some of them care about biodiversity protection.
How do you bring all of this makes sense so that you can prioritize, but still make it personalized enough for the user to do certain activities?
That is dear to them or is impactful in their eyes.
So this way we are able to collectively push people.
So think about like in Atlantis, you have your own personalized AI who hand holds you through different bounties based on your skin.
But you also have the ability using the Oracle to zoom out and see the larger picture.
You're getting it? Yeah, I am.
And, you know, all of what you just said right now is definitely motivating me to like do the things I'm doing with like redesigning the Vico social media interface.
And something that I've been thinking of very strongly is the perpetual onboarding process.
Like if you look at like LinkedIn as a social media, it's very beautifully designed.
It's got a graph underneath with which, you know, all the people are aligned, you know, all the people are clustered together depending on what they do.
And they are bought closer together under the graph. But then LinkedIn never allows you to see that graph.
All you can see on LinkedIn is that, hey, we are first connections because we are linked.
Someone else working on Atlantis who have not met with through us is on my two hops away from me and someone who's going on from there is three hops away.
And that's the only, you know, depth that which you are able to interface with the real back end that is there.
And that doesn't mean you can expose it to the person who's just joining LinkedIn for the first time.
So how I imagine this to be is an eternal onboarding process where if you have like a digital assistant who acts as a guide for you.
Hey, even like another human being who acts as a guide for you, who has been within this network, has used the functionality here.
They can give you a card which gives you new access or new lenses with which you can look at the same back end.
So it's about intelligently designing that whole hero's journey part of things.
Like you said, if it's a AAA game, the hero's journey is that side of things, the whole breadth of aesthetics that we really need to like tap into.
Like when you said like a good network is better than me, you said much better than me.
Yeah, that's that's pretty much how we should look at this.
And the possibilities are endless.
But one key thing is that especially at the space that we are trying to work, like if you take meta crisis as this, like all these interlinked problems,
which is drawing our attention to different areas because of which we are struggling to get this collective consent.
From that perspective, when we speak like these, this is where the values aspect of what you are touching on comes on, right?
Like LinkedIn, for example, it's every social network has a purpose.
So I think if these eyes can ensure that when this consistent onboarding is happening, that you're also regularly touching upon the values, it is significantly also help bring this concept of decentralized governance.
So the network can slowly be handed off to people.
So the objectives have to be explicitly reminded at times, and it has to be part of the design also.
One hundred percent. And when we are redesigning Gitcoin for the Cosmos ecosystem and something we really want to do there is to show how projects are interlinked with each other, right?
And the people who are voting, what kinds of people are voting?
Like, I don't know, there's no easy way to see on the Gitcoin Explorer who's voted for a project.
But that gives you a great amount of insight as to who finds this project valuable and who the matching should go to like in terms of like domain expertise and lunar punks can probably understand privacy and all of these things better.
So if you can see like a graph of who all have voted, you can essentially tag a bunch of you can draw a circle around some people and say, hey, these people are lunar punks.
And now you've added intelligence into the system.
Like, I'll be honest, I don't have much money to like work for Gitcoin project.
So all I can do is marketing. And that's what I've been doing.
And people without money, but who can do the intelligence work should also be given, like, you know, the ability to like contribute with intelligence so that people who have money can come in and give money into collections that they find important.
Yeah, Sasha, I just wanted to speak. By the way, this floor is open to others to please come in and share. We are just openly jamming here. Happy to have more folks come in.
I think meta crisis and the term itself, some people hate it, some people like it, and they have all different meanings to it.
So it's an open space. Happy to jump in. Feel free. Let me know if you want to come on stage and speak.
And building on Cosmos, like Gitcoin on Cosmos, that's like like my, let's say childhood dream since my journey 2013 until now crypto.
So check your DMs lunar punks.
Hey, Sasha, can you also tell me like why Cosmos is a beautiful network to you?
Because I've also been trying to understand this.
Well, I could go, I could go on like for two hours or something.
Even I've heard stuff about it. Like our project for the first leg is built on Solana, but there was reasons for it.
Why we chose. But like the philosophy is to make it interoperable.
So different pieces are built in different space.
But a lot of Cosmos Cosmos here, Cosmos chains, they have first, there's the better runtime for smart contracts, which is like way more flexible, way more powerful.
There's like this. It's like SDK. So it's a software development kit and everyone can build that chain.
And there's things coming up right now, like called ICS Interchain Security, where you don't need your own validator set.
You can use reuse the security of other chains and just build your app chain, for example.
That's one thing for that is right now coming.
You have IBC Inter blockchain communication between blockchains.
Right now it's like 60 plus blockchains that are all connected, interconnected and not by bridges and off chain stuff and things that can break.
But really like like like HTTP or TCP, like a protocol level thing for like exchanging messages or interchain accounts.
We have we have interchain IBC hooks.
That's like all three years in development and now rolling out and it's freaking working amazing.
It's absolutely cool. Like every chain has its own purpose, its own.
Yeah, for this osmosis, which is like a big decentralized exchange, but you also have a region network, which is like for also some refi stuff.
You have Iris network, you have Stargaze for NFTs here.
And like I also I work with these guys.
I know all these people that literally wrote this framework, the Cosmos SDK.
I'm in contact with them. I have all the possibilities there to connect to any resources that you need and people.
And yeah, I am also like right now writing my own chain and learning this.
And then I'm also a blockchain Rust WebAssembly freak. So let's go.
That's beautiful here, man. I'm glad to have this connection have raised from this as well.
So that's beautiful. Yeah. And Cosmos is an entire larger vision of connecting blockchain so that they can all speak together.
It's also something that I'm very beautifully aligned with.
And so Minscan second, if I go to Minscan, there's like an IBC overview. Minscan.io slash IBC network.
OK, I sent I will pin it. I guess it's very nice to see because it visualizes and it looks like like a brain.
It looks like literally a brain. Why?
Because it's different chains, different planets that are interconnected.
And you can see the transactions, the values, the messages and which chains are connected with what chains it looks like.
Like a freaking universe. One second.
That that is beautiful, man. Like and that's the larger vision for me, at least.
It's to build that larger brain production. You know, it's in production.
We're using this. We're testing this like since years. Yeah.
And it's really working. And it's like the breaking point right now.
So let me tweet this just out and then I can pin this right.
So. Yes, I definitely love to check that out, Sasha.
And so I'm just going to get back to like the larger vision of things about like, you know, metacrisis.
Exactly. I would step down and maybe you can make a telegram group or discord group or something.
Like I really am really keen to contribute here.
Yes, please, man. Glad to have you and glad to have your intelligence come into the system as well.
And so that we can build that larger brain of ours that is much smarter than we can all do alone.
And I pinned it now. Yeah. Should not.
So, yeah, like if we are trying to solve the metacrisis by making sure that people have enough
food and funding to like, you know, take care of their basic needs and, you know, still do
beautiful, beautiful things. That's that's the idea. And yeah, Lunco, please.
You just joined on as speaker. Would you love to talk about your project and or AI or capitalism
or any of those kind of interesting buzzwords? Please jump onward.
I'm happy to talk, actually, to share my exp with the solar pond guild and a couple of updates
and connections that I had since yesterday, if no one minds.
No, please go ahead. First of all, I want a huge shout out to Jimmy.
Um, yesterday, like, I'm not sure if you're here, so I'll say it perfectly separately.
But basically, thanks to Jimmy, it's a really long, long, long chain. But there is a guy who
joins solar pond guild because of Jimmy because they somehow were interacting. Oh, so, yeah,
Jimmy, thanks to you, I have a really huge and important contact for me. Basically,
those guys have an idea how how to have like a stop or like switch button to to protect,
like to to decrease the temperature of the Earth in a matter of months. And I've had a call
with those guys. And that's like super amazing. They're really serious. We have a lot of in common
and we will push that initiative. So in the next, I don't know, quite soon we will know
a lot of details, but it's all comes from from Jimmy. And also, they want to become a sponsor of
our hackathon. Also, they they in their team, they have people who already worked on robots
for mangrove trees planting. Really crazy. I mean, guys, if you know the story behind
everything, you should know that is super crazy. What's going on? Sorry, go ahead.
This is the beauty of the real time collaboration.
That's that's amazing. After that, I had another call with the with the switch I christian.
They already once longer and they like the main issue is that one is not ready for for integration,
but they said, Okay, can you use it now? I said, like, at least wait, please for three months.
So guys, that's super amazing. Like those contracts are super amazing. Thank you so much
for all the founders of solar pine guild and for everyone guys, I really love what's happening.
And I don't care about donations at all right now. Like on the connection that was important.
Yeah, man, get coin radio has definitely like brought a lot of people together. You know,
I thought we will all be just like shilling, but like it's really bringing projects together
and people together and that's beautiful. And also, I'm going to do a little bit of
shilling for lunko. So the first time I saw the lunko project, I was like, What the fuck?
We're talking about like, you know, how do we do like regeneration, all these things,
and these people want to go to the moon. Like what? But then I looked into the project and
then you know, I heard you guys speak at some spaces and I'm like, Wait, they're totally right.
Because it's this larger ambition of going to the moon that got us a lot when it comes to
like computation, you know, like back in the 60s, when the US sent out the moon mission,
that's where we got a lot of like technology from. And it's that ambition that you know,
shoot for the stars. And if you don't reach it, you'll reach the moon. If you don't reach the
moon, we will still fix the stuff on the ground. You know, so that's a beautiful vision. And you
know, glad to see your the furnace of ambition that you guys are and the ambition that you're
also spreading to the space. So hey, happy, happy to see projects like this. Yeah. And hey, Jimmy,
Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, what's what's happening? What's happening? Yes, out of the world, my man.
Oh, Jimmy does not have speaking rights.
Jimmy, we cannot hear you. You're on the unmuted bias. It seems like we cannot hear you.
Yeah. Jimmy has just been given the right to speak by the Twitter space.
Maybe you should reconnect, you know how it works.
Yeah, I've approved him like twice. And yeah, that's okay. That's okay. We'll talk to must about it.
Yeah, yeah, you sound a bit robotic. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, anybody else who wants to, like,
show talk about the projects, talk about AI, how do we design better social networks?
How do we design the larger brain for us to all plan?
Please jump on board or else I can start monologuing again.
And actually, maybe I'm happy to like, why you're calling lunar punks? Like what what
driven you to that name? Really? Because you know, I'm like, you catch me because you're like lunar
everything that with lunar cookies, my eyes. So so I'll explain what solar punk is for it,
because it was this polarity. So solar punk to me, is saying that, hey, like, I remember like,
as like a kid or something, and like, how do we make the world better? Oh, it's simple,
we burn down everything that doesn't work. And then we'll build again, right? And that is a very
stupid, stupid destructive vision. Whereas solar punk says, hey, look at all the cities that we've
built, look at all this infrastructure that we built, that's not really conducive to human
well being. And let's accept it and plant new things to grow on there and create beautiful
outcomes from what we already have, as opposed to like, let's all burn it down, let's destroy,
you know, capitalism and everything that does like that. And so that is a solar punk vision.
And the lunar park vision would be, if solar punk is the material side of things,
what does the material side of things look like? If body is taken care of by solar
punks, somebody needs to take care of the mind. And that's where the lunar punks come in.
And so we have historically generations of trauma and patterns of organization that you know, we've
we're kind of stuck with, or have so much momentum that you can't really do anything. So
you can't really go back to like a blank slate or a blank tablet, and start from there, what we
will need to do is understand all of this trauma, and nutrient cycle these traumas. And like from
mythology, there's this character of Shiva in Indian mythology, who, who there was the the
heavenly Indra's are like the angels who told people how to create like this beautiful substance
called Amrita. But along with it came poison while making it. And they just couldn't put this
poison anywhere. It was like radioactive waste. Where do we put this poison? And they try to
put it on land and destroy the land they put out put in the sky and destroy the sky. So Shiva comes
over and he's like, I'll do one thing, I'll swallow it, and I'll keep it within my throat. And that
way, that's the only way we can kind of like take away this poison. And in that sense, that's
a nice metaphor for the trauma and the patterns that we have. And all we can do is essentially
like, you know, therapy is like talking about it, and your therapist catches it. And what happens
is many times if a therapist doesn't know what they're doing, they end up with so much trauma
from listening to all of this that they get burned out. So what we need to be able to do as a
community is to be able to like nutrient cycle this so that we can all go and like share our
stuff and like do the care that we need in order to like, you know, move our traumas around
nutrient cycle it and hopefully trauma can also create works of art works of good. So that's
what we want to do. That's the lunar punk vision. Thank you. Thank you for oh, sorry, it was thumbs up.
There's also like the privacy side of things as well, which is also like tacking on to the
lunar punk narrative, which I'm totally on board with everyone at lunar punk labs is on board
with because you know, a problem that happens is you get stuff like big pharma coming in
and going to small, small, you know, indigenous locations, understanding their plant medicine
and like all the the traditions and all the like, what do you call it? All the all the ways which
of the the the ceremonies of like using those medicines and completely strips that away,
finds the active ingredient, and then like puts it into a pill and like makes billions of dollars off
of like the indigenous wisdom, right? Like aspirin was invented like that. It was a bark of a tree
which was completely like, you know, just the active ingredient was extracted. And what if big
refi happens to do the same, right? The real wisdom is ecological wisdom that we want to preserve.
And if ecological wisdom is put out there for everyone to see nothing stopping like, you know,
big refi to come and scrape up all of that information and knowledge and wisdom, and then
like, you know, use it to create their own impact certificates. So what we would like to do at
Lunarpunk Labs is keep that wisdom on the ground, create intellectual property out of it,
and pass DMRV values or DMRV oracle values into that through ZK proofs, and make sure that it
just gives you like an output of Hess regenerations happening or no regenerations not happening,
as opposed to without exposing the entire wisdom out to the entire world. So that's also something
why we are Lunarpunk as well. So glad to go on for these questions.
Thank you for your story.
Much love, much love. And yeah, anybody else who'd like to come in and speak
with Karsh at Earthcoin? Would you love to say something as well?
Just give me like a thumbs up or like a thumbs down or if you're busy.
And yeah, so I think I'll go back into a little bit of monologuing. And yeah,
so the project that we're talking about with in terms of like doing Gitcoin in a different way,
what would that look like? It would look like a lot of projects collaborating not to create
independent projects. We know these projects are not independent. Like, for example, Atlantis
is building an Oracle with Lunarpunk Labs, but Lunarpunk Labs know they need Vico as a social
network to facilitate all of this. Now, all of this would be hidden in our text, right?
You'd have to like really go through and then like create the mapping inside your brain.
But all of these mappings and all of these, you know, like if money comes to Atlantis,
some of that comes to us, some of that money will be going into Vico. Why not be able to like show
all of the way that we intuitively understand the entire ecosystem, right? Why not someone who
comes in who does not have much experience with the ecosystem can come in and see how the
ecosystem is organized in terms of how the money trickles down, how the value is created upwards,
and all these kinds of things. So all these visual metaphors that we have,
it should be in a way that people can interface with it, interact with it, and understand the
entire ecosystem at a glance. So those are the ways with which we see, you know, if Bitcoin
has to be rebooted, that's the way it should work. Phil, do any comments on that?
I don't like the term rebooted, but definitely it's a process of a continuous grow,
and definitely if something doesn't work, we should just change the rules and make it work.
But of course, it shouldn't be done, like, it should be done properly. But after all,
like, we are engineers, I mean, I have an engineering mindset, and that's how you do
engineering, you just build stuff, then you try, if it works, then you learn, like, basically,
it's a development cycle, and it's not stopping. So I like the shift of that, like, you know,
we're all engineers who build stuff and things like that, and showing that we're building things
is very important. But I went to like, it was place where Atlantis HQ, and I saw on the whiteboard
there something very beautiful. 90% discovery, 10% code, 90% discovery, 10% code, and
we really need to accept that, you know, as like a larger vision as well, because we get
so stuck in this whole, hey, let's build something, let's build something 100%, we need to build
something, but let's do that discovery, the new work it needs, you know, before we jump on,
discover things, I mean, sorry, getting down to building. So yeah, that's something that's
something I also think about quite a bit.
Erthu, any any comments, would you like to like divert the conversation into something
that you want to like jam about because there's not much people here who are
here to do shilling. So maybe we can just like continue jamming, you know.
Okay, okay. It is not here. Anybody else who would like to jump on board and talk about
their projects? Pinsafe, please go on then. Yeah, I just wanted to say like, like, I will
have like a space and like 14 minutes or something like that. And like, I'm not really
sure guys that like, with this type of engagement, like we're going to discuss anything like it's
like, I don't know, guys, like, stop being shy. Like, what the hell? Like join join as a speaker,
please. Hey, hey, Luke goes back online. Sorry, get tracked. Hey, Claudio. Sorry. Yeah, I get
tracked on here. I don't remember what we were discussing. Sorry. So that's all right.
And so yeah, Pinterest, are you doing a space right after this? I'll put it up on the
Jumbotron if that's the case, because I haven't been doing all that organization side things.
Yeah, definitely. Oh, like, but like, you know, the last time I tried to like,
to set up the space, like, I mean, nothing, nothing worked at all. So like,
I mean, guys, like if I if like, like if the space kind of like is not working, like,
please don't blame me like blame Elon Musk, please. 100% my dude, like I was also having the same
problem starting it up. And even last time when I was done with the solar punk space,
I couldn't find your space as well. So yeah, Rod, please go on. Yeah, so like there are a lot
of Schrodinger's bugs around Gitcoin. The thing is that please just don't don't and
current spaces till the next one starts, like to be sure and also someone from solar punk guilt and
the solar punk account should be able to start and in worst case, we have a lot of people on board.
So like, I can start as well if you can start like someone can help like we just let's
coordinate on on telegram and please just do not stop current space unless we are sure that
the next one has already started. Okay, okay. So, Vincent, we're going next, right? Can you like
post a link about that your space in the description, I mean, in the comments so that I can like put
them up on the jumbotron? I'm really sorry. Like, like, I already like put it like on the jumbotron.
Are you starting the next space though? Because we will have like divert attention to the next
space. And I'm not really sure who's going next. So if anyone can let me know what that is, I'll
help out with that. Yeah, like, you know, like, like, like, I think like, I could probably wait
in this space like until till like the time comes. But like, just to know. No, let's go.
Sorry, we have rules. So it would be great if you could start the space like we have to start
the next space 10 minutes in advance to just, you know, to start transferring people and to make
things easier. On practice, everyone starts like five minutes, like lot of people start five minutes
in advance, but at least five minutes in advance. Otherwise, I mean, people just, you know,
people could look for it. And if it's not there, it could mess a bit. Sorry.
So hey, so that's the updates on the next space. And so let's keep jamming, honestly, like,
Lunko, how do you see like, AI coming into the picture? Or how do you think AI will help with
our moon space ambitions, you know, like, are we using them as like agents to help with the science
and all these kind of things? Well, yeah, for sure. Like it's technology and it must be used.
It's already been used for a long time. So it's like, you know, so the question is, yes,
of course, and it works in the same way. It'll help us to do that things that help us to
analyze things. It helps for to, to control the robots, it helps us as the resources. So
it's a technology like it should be like how computers works. Sorry, how computers helps like
or I don't know how metals like so it's really it's a basic technology that exists and it won't go
go anywhere and we will live without we have to live with it. I want today I've heard an
interesting news about it. Everyone is interested like, can LLMs become AGI like can
large language models be a self consciousness and a lot of people think that a new type of behavior
emerges when there are more than 330 billion parameters in the in the neural network like
it has certain metrics and according to those metrics, something changes significantly.
So basically, people were like some people, of course, according to certain publications,
but overall, there was a perception perception that something really unpredictable emerges at
such a scale. But today I read the paper and basically they claimed that nothing actually
emerges it. It's because the way how it was assessed because of the functions that was used
and that the functions that was used to assess that emergency I don't know exactly how the
parameters work. What they mean because it's a popular article I had no time to read all the
deep articles. But basically nothing happens. And that's highly correlates with my feelings
overall about LLMs. They are great. I'm using on a daily basis. I haven't used yet
auto GPT because it won't help. Like most of the time I have to show on Twitter like, okay.
GPT really helps to write posts because you know, it's really boring, but we all know that it must
be done on a regular basis, really annoying. But after all, from my perspective, every
really important decision should be made by human. And actually, if like, if you can substitute it
with an AI, then most probably you're doing something wrong. But after all, I do not believe
that that's a huge breakthrough, but I do not believe that it'll make an AGI. At least in the
next couple of years, like the technology is not well, that's my vision. No, I feel you. I feel
you like this whole AGI debate. I'm not so very concerned about, but I do think this aligning
thing needs to happen. And aligning can only happen if let's say, how do we align our government,
right? That becomes a question. We align a government by keeping things separated. So
if your judicial creates or enforces laws and like desk people, like, I mean, like, you know,
takes cases and puts them in a court and argues whether it follows the constitution that we've
built, that is separated from the people who are making the laws. And that is separated from the
people who are executing on the laws. That is the police and your judge, your executioners and all
that kind of thing. So that separation needs to happen. And if that goes into the AI world,
you know, if you want to align governments, governments are made up of people. So you can
use people to align them. If you have to align AI, you need another AI to do it. What would that
other AI look like? What would that AI who is acting as the jury and is acting as the judge,
what would that AI look like? Would it be based on the values that people have?
It has to be in my understanding and in my belief, because like,
otherwise, what are we aligning AI to, right? So if we can create a graph of our constitution,
saying, Hey, these are the values, if this breaks down, this is the value that is more important.
You know, if that breaks down, and creating a graph of that can be used to evaluate the
actions that the AI is doing, because like, an LLM can always lie to you that it will,
that it is aligned, but how can you trust it unless you can see what is
inside it unless there's a constitution with which you are judging its actions.
You can be sure that it's not hallucinating. If you are talking about every ML model,
I'm not talking about AI. It doesn't mean ML, like ML, modern AI, like ML is really huge,
but it's not AI is much more. It's different than just the system that can make decisions at some
point in time. So AI, like every LL for every ML model tends to hallucinate and I think it
cannot be overcome at all. Yeah, yeah, I feel you. Like I think of the hallucinations as artists
and poets within the AI, who's creating hallucinations that the rest of the neurons will have to like
make sense of. Maybe the hallucinations have a point. Maybe they are just stupid delusional
things that artists tend to do, you know? So I speak as an artist so I can say it.
So hey, I see you've been switching up and on your mic for a while. Please, please jump in.
Yeah, I just got back. I just wanted to say thank you so much for hosting this space today
and like filling in on like a really short notice. And yeah, I've been listening to you
quite actively for the last 45 minutes, even though I've been at the passport office and like
trying to like plug in whenever I could. But yeah, loving the conversation and thank you for
coming in and hosting it and like making sure that we're able to continue this
Garangutan of a marathon that like somehow we've taken up upon ourselves. But yeah,
I just wanted to say that. And I think I mean, on this AI bit, right, like I've been,
I have also of late like been trying to contemplate the narrative is that I mean,
as the tech progresses, we would want AI models suited to our values. And that's where we would
have different models emerging because of that particular need. And to be honest, very
without any surprises, like I've been trying to see what does AI model tuned to solar punk values
look like and how can that be designed. And I think maybe the very base starting point is
just first being able to like have some community consensus on the value system and then like
what type of information you start feeding the LLM. Because from what I've heard, I think
data sourcing to build your LLMs out has now become a pretty massive business. So there are a lot of
like small units and organizations that are building this repository of like curated, filtered,
clean, usable data to feed your LLMs and then like, you know, grow them the way you want them to grow
them and then have them answer things with like that mindset. So I'm already seeing that starting
to happen and it does make me then wonder as to what kind of a model and what kind of value
alignment does an AI model have in the solar punk world and what role does it play. But I think maybe
we can take that to the next space. We are pretty much up at the hour. So yeah, I'll let you close.
Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. Yeah, let's take that to the next space because like
like this open assistant, which is like an open repository maintained by like, you know,
people who are thinking about open source AI and stuff. There's also an interesting
phenomenon that's happening where AIs are teaching each other. And if you look at how
the Indian constitution was formed, it's by taking out the best pieces and remixing it
from like the Swedish ecosystem or the Swedish legal system, the US legal system and the UK
legal system. So there's a lot of learning that will have been happening, like, you know,
cross pollinating between AI models and stuff like that. And AI can teach AI better than like,
you know, humans can like Stanford trained like an entire LLM with like $600 of like,
you know, compute, versus here, opening, I probably using like millions by using that million.
Let's switch to the next spaces. I want to address this.
Which is time, like one minute, guys. Let's go. Let's go.
Yeah, go, go ahead and start it. Go ahead and start it. We'll,
I'll hold the base here until then. Please go ahead and start it. And we'll get everyone jump on
there. Go ahead and save. I'll be holding the fort for a minute more. And then let's jump on
and see you there. First post on the jumbotron, at least for me, I hope that's the same for you
guys as well. So the first one is the get going radio by Penn save. See you all on the other side.
Pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. I haven't set up like music like Jimmy does. So I'm just gonna like
beatbox, I guess. Pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. What are you doing here? Go jump out of the next space.
Time's up. Time's up. We're at, we're at exactly the art. So go on guys,
please jump out of the next space and I'll see you guys there.
Closing the space in five, four, three, two, one. I'm glad to have you here and glad for
your participation. See you on the other side.