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π’GITCOIN RADIO #GitcoinBeta Community
Recorded: April 30, 2023 Duration: 1:14:31Space Recording
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Manuel, how are you doing, my friend?
I'm sitting here with Melva Gunes.
How are you doing?
Hey, greetings.
What up, what up?
What up, what up?
I think we can wait
for 10 minutes or so
and wait for
the other members to join us.
In the meantime, it would be
great if you can also make me co-host.
And then,
yeah, let's just
make it
awesome
and chill
the session here and
yeah, let's see.
We got enough time today.
Cool.
Wait a little.
Can we hear the music?
Is it uncomfortable?
Manu?
Manu?
Manu, Manu, ist die Musik entspannt
oder ist es zu laut?
Boah, ist okay, ist okay.
Lass mal laufen.
Ist es besser oder schlechter?
Oh, jetzt hΓΆre ich gar nichts.
Okay, lassen wir noch ein bisschen.
Ein paar Stunden Musik.
Bis gleich.
Aber sobald es unentspannt wird mit der Musik,
dann mache ich die aus,
nicht, dass die Leute abgefuckt sind.
Alles cool.
Bis gleich.
Bis gleich.
So I'm sitting here with a friend of mine.
We are sitting in the beautiful weather in Hamburg,
close to the Alster,
or right next to the Alster.
It's the river here.
And Merve.
She's into spirituality.
And I'm going to explain to her.
So this is Green Pill Global.
She works from India and she's leading the way in all of those Green Pill chapters.
We have different chapters all around the world.
And she works from India and she's leading the way in all of those Green Pill chapters.
We have different chapters all around the world.
Same as Rifa does.
This is Rifa Korea.
Hi, Rifa Korea.
This is Hija.
This is Hija.
And Manuel.
and I'm going to explain to her
who it is.
So this is Greenfield Global.
That's Seja.
She works from India
and she's leading the way
in all of those Greenfield chapters.
We have different chapters
all around the world.
Same as Reefa does.
This is Reefa Korea.
Hi, Reefa Korea.
This is Seja and Manuel.
Hi, GM, GM.
So happy today.
I'm the first one here
with Reefa Korea.
Thank you guys
for whatever you're doing.
I appreciate this so much
and I just keep thinking
that it's such a good initiative
and kudos to you
for showing up every day.
It's hard.
It's not easy.
And yeah, super happy
that I get to work
with people like you.
So it just makes me feel so good.
And thank you so much
and I'm happy to be here.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, by the way,
by the way, guys,
I want to add something.
We will officially start
in like five minutes
and then we will also,
you know,
we'll have some friends
from Solar Punk Guild
who will join us.
And in the meantime,
exactly as you did it, Seja,
thanks for joining us today.
You know,
just request to become a speaker
and we will bring you here
up on stage
and then we will officially start
off this session
in like five minutes.
So take your time,
you know,
find your relaxed spot
in the sun,
grab your cup of tea
or a cup of coffee
and then we will have
enough time today
to discuss our projects
and foster the discussion here.
So thanks, guys.
Big love.
Thank you so much, Manu.
And Sejal,
do you maybe want to be
a co-host today?
Only if you want to.
Yes,
I would love to.
I can.
Yes,
let's do it.
Thank you so much, Manu.
There is also Manuel.
You are Joshua.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, there's also Manuel.
I'm doing fine.
I'm your GitCon radio steward for the next hour.
So anything that happens, I'll be here to assist you.
And let me just share the space in a couple of places, so I'll be back in a couple of minutes.
All right.
Thank you so much, Gita.
Hey, guys, how are you, guys, nice to see you.
Nice to see you.
Oh, we're doing great.
Well, I am actually, at least.
Yeah, it's a wonderful day here in Hamburg.
It's sunny.
It's sunny.
Finally, it's spring, so the leaves are coming out.
There's flowers and sun, and it's warm.
Yeah, it's a beautiful day.
How are you doing?
And where are you located?
My name is Rod.
Actually, I'm living in Thailand for the last year.
I will stay here at least till September.
We had on the previous radio, we had, like, actually today and yesterday, we were discussing
how could the solarpunk future looks like.
And also, I want to say, it's actually to Manuel, looks like Zero-G is really, like, a great,
great initiative.
I've got in touch with a lot of people, particularly I'm talking about one girl or woman, I don't
know how to say it.
She's from Russia, but now she's in Colorado School of Mining.
She's, like, I know about her for the last six years, but now, like, she made a post
of how cool it is, and now I'm in touch with her, trying to get her on board.
Just, it happened right now.
Want to share.
Awesome, awesome.
Yeah, I also want to say hi to everyone who joined us here.
Hi, Rodjan, nice to see you.
I hope I pronounced your name right, man.
Yeah, and thanks for joining us.
Well, that's why I'm asking to pronounce it, Rod.
Well, how is it pronounced?
Can you, hey, Ben, see you also joining.
What up?
What up?
Happy Sunday.
And yeah, I think we can...
Yeah, I'll pronounce it in Russian, so it's not like an English style of air.
Rodion.
Rodion.
Okay, okay, okay.
Okay, stop it.
Okay, okay.
I'm not going to try again.
I'm not going to try again.
I just want to kick this off today for us, guys.
So let's see.
Yeah, welcome to our Twitter space today.
We're going to focus on refi, but please bring every topic up that you have on your mind and
on your heart.
We have some amazing people in here to discuss how we can align and bring together refi and
social movements.
For the ones who do not know, I mean, just, you know, we're recording the space.
So also for the people who might tune in and do not know about refi, refi is like regenerative
finance.
So how can we create a positive impact on our environment through Web3 tooling and throughout
this live stream for this Gitcoin, Gitcoin, beta round.
It's just, you know, everything is just about you and about your project.
So we are here today for you so that you can show your project so that you have some reach
and hopefully find some donors.
We're going to invite everyone here up on stage.
Please present your projects.
And then we can also open things up for a short Q&A and a general discussion.
So yeah, please feel free to jump right on stage and join us.
For now, I think we have just been in the audience.
So please do not forget, guys, you know, like the space, retweet, share it.
Comment and tell your best friend about it.
And if you if you're visiting your family right now, as I do it, please also show it
to your to your mom and to your dad and spread the word so that we will find a lot of great
people who support our shared causes.
So, yeah.
How do we want to start?
Who wants to start?
Maybe Raj, you want to share your project?
Yeah, maybe, Ben, you'd like to jump on the stage in the meantime.
Today, I went like I have to go to hospital every day.
And today it was really painful.
So after I came back, I was able just to lay in my bed and watch YouTube video.
But today I've heard and learned about a lot of great things.
One of such things is called an agrovoltaics.
Basically, the idea is to use the same area to grow crops and to install solar panels.
Of course, there'll be an issue that solar panels cover some, how to say, crops.
But under certain conditions, with the certain crops, actually such a system could significantly
increase the efficiency of the yield.
So increase the yield, increase the quality of products.
And the thing is that I do not remember the exact details.
I'm really sorry, but to install the system, it costs around $600 per something, like per
square meter.
I do not remember, sorry, to install the system.
But it costs $1,200 to run the system.
And half of the costs come from software.
But LUNCA basically should significantly reduce that cost, meaning that the better solar
fun future, like agrovoltaics, would be cheaper.
And that's one way how to show a project.
It's needed just to control automated agrovoltaic farms.
And to optimize, to use AI, to optimize yield, to optimize efficiency, quality of food, and
things like that.
Happy to share with you a video.
It's just like 14 minutes long.
Awesome, awesome.
Yeah, a lot of great stuff that you are doing, Rod.
I also know you for a while.
I mean, we are DSpace fellows in the ReFi Court, too.
And then we joined Moondown.
So I know that you are always up for the hottest shit available in space tech and renewable
tech.
So always a pleasure to hear your thoughts.
Yeah, who wants to go next?
So please share how you are doing, where you are right now, and what's the project that
you're working on.
I see your hands up.
Guido, Solar Punk Guild, feel free.
Yes, this is Guido.
Okay, everybody, Sol.
I just wanted to share that I'm feeling so good.
Because yesterday we started in my slot of the GitCon radio, we started a very nice conversation
because we were coming from a space all around Koh Phangan and what they are doing there.
So I proposed, why don't we imagine collectively a solar punk future for Koh Phangan?
And then we started a very nice conversation.
So yesterday we had a one hour long conversation.
A lot of people were giving their ideas on how to build this solar punk tropical island
in southern Thailand.
And then today we keep on going.
So we had the conversation, less people, because it's Sunday and hopefully people, or luckily
people have better things to do on Sunday than listening to us.
But even today the conversation was very good with Rod, more ideas.
Now I have something like already 40 ideas for building a solar punk Koh Phangan.
And I think it's so important to make this exercise of imagining the future.
Because if you don't imagine the future, if you are not able to imagine a better future
and a solar punk future, then we cannot build it.
So I'm still feeling so good.
And I think tomorrow we'll go on imagining a solar punk Koh Phangan.
And we may be on something.
Because I think this collective exercise of imagining a future,
but rooted in a specific place, I think is great.
And I'm enjoying it so much.
So back to you.
Yeah, Guido, you're so awesome.
I really enjoyed the session yesterday.
Sadly, today I was not able to join.
But I really want to see more and more of the engagement of, you know,
visualizing alternative realities.
This field in science is actually called future studies.
And I really enjoy also using, like, this whole, all the approaches for foresight
and mapping out these alternative realities or, for example, also tech trees.
So if we think about how technologies converge,
not only with the reality that we are living in right now with all the different industries,
but also how these technologies and the convergence between the industries
might affect the future that we cannot predict.
I really like doing this.
And, yes, let's definitely keep up to do so.
Before bringing Rod again on here, I also saw your hand was up, Joscha.
So, yeah.
Oh, yes.
Yes, my hand was up.
Because I would really like Guido to explain a little bit more about how he envisions
that solarpunk future on islands in the Southern Pacific.
But I believe that Lunko wants to say something, Rod, sorry, about the tech tree as well.
So maybe he could go on with this.
But otherwise, I would really like to hear a little bit about that envisioning
so I can also have it in my mind.
So thank you for that.
Yeah, thanks.
Well, actually, I have a question to Ben.
It would be amazing if you could share your thoughts.
How can we push amount of donations forward?
Because this time it's, like, really upsetting.
On GR15, Lunko received more than 10 donations per day on average.
And this time, like, maybe 13 donations.
It's the best start.
It's really disencouraging.
So happy to support if you have any ideas.
Happy to support and share what ideas of the people to whom we talked.
Bro, check out the Gr15 Germany donation page.
Zero donations.
I love it.
But we want to make it possible.
That's awful.
That's awful.
Because, you know, all the new projects, like, when I jumped in,
all those flowing donations, that's what really made me feel alive.
And I feel much, much harder.
This time I'm doing my best.
But just because I already know that it's possible.
So I think that it's really...
Sorry, go ahead.
We need to be persistent.
And Ben, now it's your stage.
Please feel free to share.
Hey, you guys.
Can you hear me okay?
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
I'm in the car on some headphones.
So hopefully you're not hearing too much background noise.
Yeah, I am super bummed to hear that the number of donations coming in
have not been as high as folks would have seen in the past or were hoping.
I'm guessing, at least partially, that's because of a combination of high gas fees
and us not having the ability to currently take donations on ZK Sync
or other L2s at the same time as Mainnet.
I mean, we could talk a little bit about how we ended up with that decision
to choose Mainnet over Optimism, which was basically our two choices for this round.
But, I mean, at some level it's kind of an academic discussion
because we can't change it at this point.
We're locked into Mainnet for the remainder of this round.
So, I mean, I was here in part because I know a number of people
have been expressing an interest in talking about what could be done
to help basically offset gas fees for contributors.
And definitely down to have that conversation.
I think there's ways that this could be done that would be appropriate,
not cross any of the quid pro quo lines,
and also ways that if it was done, you know, could be problematic.
So, yeah, here to talk about that.
Beyond that, though, I wonder if there's other friction points
or places where people are getting stuck.
I know Passport in our alpha round was a bit of an issue.
I think that's less of an issue this round.
I'm curious if people are having the same experience
or if there's any other problems that people are running into.
So maybe I'll just pause for a second to just if there's any other sort of points
of friction that people are noticing that we could talk about.
Otherwise, maybe let's just jump into the discussion of the, you know,
the sort of what we could do to help people with gas fees.
I think this time, like, we do not have traction at all.
Sorry to say that.
The thinking that we just, last time we had tons of donations
and Passport was failed, but that because we had tons of donations.
And this time, frankly speaking, I have no idea what's going on at all.
So I'm really thankful that we have Bitcoin radios
because, like, I know that everyone had that issue.
But I think the main issue that somehow we don't have donations.
And the main hypothesis of everyone is that basically it costs more than sometimes.
Someone has said that, like, $25 to donate to one project.
To donate $1, $25.
And it's, of course, we think that is the main issue this time.
And we, I mean, I've talked to a couple of people
and I've heard on Twitter, like, I've read a lot of posts
and I have a feeling that a lot of people think that it's one of the main issues.
The high gas fees.
Yeah, what I had in mind exactly to this topic,
so not only high gas fees, but also the environmental impact on this.
I had this discussion with Joshua before.
It's really what discourages people to stay engaged in the round.
It's not only, you know, an issue when it comes to overall marketing or traction,
but I would say that, yeah, the onboarding and clear guidelines.
You know, we did our best to do so.
I know that GitCon also did a lot of work to make, like, a seamless onboarding.
But, yeah, we identified some bottlenecks.
And also yesterday when I had the discussion here with also Guido and Sino
in one of our GitCon radio talks, I, you know, we also came up with the idea of
writing, like, everything down and just making, like, a report,
a community-driven report to also hand it over to you guys, to your dev team,
so that you, you know, have, like, a steep learning curve out of this better round.
I think this can be, like, really useful because we also saw some, yeah,
I wouldn't call it friction, but some people, you know,
all the GreenPill chapters were rejected, all the ReFi DAO chapters were rejected.
And, you know, from one point it is understandable because of, you know,
to overcome, like, civil attacks or so,
because you can interpret this as an indirect civil attack.
If you have a lot of projects under the same umbrella,
but in the end we are living in a decentralized world,
so, you know, in one way or another, we need to catch the people
and we need to create solutions that fit into the narrative
and that are fitting into what we want to achieve here.
And this is the funding of public goods.
And, you know, you're a single project or you're under your umbrella,
so we're fine, but we need to find solutions for any of these topics.
So, overall, I'm really strongly advocating for just creating a simple report,
spreading the word, catching feedback from the community,
and then, you know, giving it over to the Gitcoin dev team
to improve the platform for everyone in here.
And now I'm also totally up to hear your thoughts and your ideas on this.
So, yeah, maybe because, Rod, you already talked a lot,
you know, big shout out to you.
You know, I'm always your biggest supporter.
And for now, I want also to give Dollar Earth at Gitcoin Better
the stage to share your thoughts.
Hi, guys. How's it going?
Hi, Ben.
Thank you so much for joining on a Sunday.
We've just been going on with this.
And I think a bunch of points.
I feel like I was not there when you asked the question,
but if I'm understanding that you're asking for friction points now,
I think maybe even overall, the UX is new.
And I think navigating through the different pages
is taking some time maybe overall.
But, yeah, it's just something that for the first time user,
it would take some time getting used to.
But, yeah, I think on the gas bit like we've been discussing
and maybe one other thought that I had was
what if Gitcoin, we could create something
where it gets deducted, say, maybe from the matching pool
from where the amounts are going to get disbursed.
Like, because that would be disbursed to projects
and the ones with the higher transactions
would be getting a higher share of the matching pool.
So, I think what gets deducted for everyone
would be in proportion and also happen from your end.
So, I think none of us have to promise anything.
And maybe from your end also, we could say
that it's just like up to 50% or $2 per transaction.
So, we cap it at that.
And, yeah, then I think it can be for all
and we don't have to like really work
on raising extra funds for this.
Whereas, it just automatically gets deducted
from what's going to be disbursed at some point.
Awesome point. Yeah, good point.
Definitely agree on this.
I know that we discussed this yesterday
and this might be an ideal example
for putting it into this report that I just mentioned.
Cool.
Yeah, Rod, now it's your time.
Yeah, I see your hands up and we can go.
Just a quick note that this time
the UX seems better.
Like, I don't know.
It's slightly better than on AlphaRound.
And so, I think that the real bottleneck, actually,
just the gas piece, not the UX.
For sure, it should be improved
and I'm sure that it will be improved
with the iterations.
However, it's all about gas costs
from my perspective.
Yeah, by the way,
by the way, besides this topic,
I also want to bring it up again
because we are filling the room here.
If you haven't done it already,
please feel free to like the space
and retweet so that more people are aware
that we are doing this
Gitcoin Better radio here today.
And if you have your donation page up and running,
please feel free to share it also
in the comment section below
so that you know promising projects,
find promising projects to donate
and hopefully we can create this
good impact despite the hurt
that we need to overcome as a community.
So, yeah, who is next?
I mean, do we want to discuss this?
A quick gut check?
Do we want to discuss this?
It would be great to hear feedback from Ben.
Sorry for interruption,
but we've said a lot.
Let's go for feedback of Ben.
Yeah, Ben, it's your stage.
Thanks, man.
Okay, thank you.
First of all, I just so much appreciate
all the thoughtful consideration
of how to address these problems
as a community
and the, like, kind of open
and respectful dialogue about,
you know, I know a bunch of this is frustrating,
so, you know, definitely my desire
is to, you know, make sure
that all your voices are heard
and that the ideas are brought back.
In particular, I really love the idea
of a community-generated report.
I can tell you that everything
that gets flagged using our chat system,
intercom, in the bottom right-hand corner
of the page, goes directly to our devs
and they have their own reporting system
that's ongoing, as well as I can tell you
that myself and others on the team
have quite a long list of feature requests
and bug fixes and whatever else
and sort of a never-ending dialogue
with the devs.
That being said, like,
a big part of the reason
why we test these tools
and also our procedures
and our rules in public
and are always asking for feedback
is, you know, we really want
the community's vision
to be what's driving,
you know, what's prioritized
in the developer rollout
as well as, you know,
any changes that we make
to the so-called social technology,
like the, you know,
the ways that we structure the rounds
and the eligibility rules
and all that.
One thing I could suggest,
just, you know,
if you do put forward
like a community-driven report
is it would be great
to get that up on
gov.gitcoin.co,
which is seen by all of our stewards
and the community at large.
You know, there's a lot of folks
who quite regularly comment
and post and discuss things there.
You don't have to do that
by any means, but, you know,
it's a good way to just kind of
draw visibility to, you know,
to any discussion like this
that's kind of got implications
for the grants rounds
in the future
and also just things
we could do in the present.
So, you know, please,
by all means,
like anybody can create a post there.
And if you tag me in that post,
I'd be happy to, you know,
weigh in and share it around
and sort of make sure
that it's getting seen
by all the right people.
You know, I am just one person
at Gitcoin,
although I'll definitely share
my perspective and, you know,
and obviously I'm pretty involved
in the rounds
as the grant round lead.
So, you know,
not to shirk any responsibility,
I just want to make clear
that, you know,
it's not a situation
where any one person,
wow, I'm watching people
drive really dangerously
in the rain in front of me.
So, yeah, speaking of gas,
people trying to spill their gasoline
all over the highway right now
by, you know,
doing silly things.
Okay, I'm focused.
Not worried about dying
on the highway again.
Please be focused.
I have gotten in a car accident
last week
and it really sucks.
So, please be careful.
We really need you.
I'm not driving.
Don't worry.
But I'll,
my partner is,
she looks very focused.
She has a very focused look
on her face right now.
She doesn't seem amused though.
Okay.
Greetings.
Say first and greetings
from the internet crowd.
You're being sent greetings
by the internet.
She's smiling
and nodding
in recognition.
Okay.
just to get into the specifics
of the,
of the things
that we're talking about.
So, yeah,
I mean,
definitely there's room
for improvement on the UX.
I also think there definitely
has been some improvement
since the alpha round,
but, you know,
we're still very much
a work in progress
and I can tell you
that the number one
sort of objective
and focus of our dev team
has been around
really the functionality
of the blockchain technology.
You know,
we're building
a whole new protocol
and, you know,
just making sure
everything's working
and is secure
and that the escrow wallets
for rounds is secure,
you know,
is pretty important.
just making sure that,
you know,
that those things
are sort of the first priority
is definitely a priority,
but, you know,
we've been talking a lot
about sort of the UX
and how to improve the UX
and, you know,
I think that needs to be
kind of our next
big priority
and, you know,
you'll definitely see
more focus on that
in the sort of months ahead
before the full release.
So, yeah,
in terms of the gas fee
issue specifically,
I have heard
sort of a variety
of different approaches
to this being floated,
one of which being,
you know,
that an individual project
could basically,
like,
reimburse people
for the gas fees
for donating
to their project.
I think the problem
with that potentially
is that that
feels like it's walking
right up to the line,
if not over the line,
of what could be considered
a quid pro quo.
Even if that's done
with the best of intentions
and really it's just
a way to,
you know,
get people donating,
it would be a benefit
that would be specific
to one particular grant
and, you know,
would be reducing
the cost of donating
for that grant
even if, you know,
you were donating
to other grants as well.
So, you know,
I think just unfortunately
my two cents would be
I could imagine
that that will get flagged
and require further discussion
and could result
in some unfortunate consequences
for folks
who sort of try
to push that approach forward.
So I have been cautioning
anybody who sort of suggests
that kind of approach.
I think what could be
more appropriate
is a, like,
you know,
just a program
that's rolled out
to support anybody donating
whether it's to
the Climate Round
as a group
or to the grant program
overall for the quarter
where we could be
offering some support
to people
to help reduce
the impact of gas fees.
You know,
probably best
if it's done retroactively
so that, you know,
people can actually share
the transaction hash
and, like, you know,
there's some, you know,
on-chain accountability
and transparency around that.
I know that doesn't necessarily
help if somebody's got that
as sort of an upfront obstacle.
You know,
I think there's some other things
that we definitely could do.
I think I'm talking really loud.
I've got noise-canceling headphones on.
Can you guys hear me okay?
Yeah, we do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so if
if the
if the approach that we took
was to sort of
try to help people
collectively,
I know that RefiDAO
and some others
are trying to
reach out
to a number
of different funders
and, like,
look if there's
a possibility
that they may be able
to pool funds
and sort of help
administer
some sort of a fund.
The RefiDAO approach,
the last I've discussed
it with John
and others,
was to subsidize
the cost
but not necessarily
do it
sort of retroactively
but instead
to basically
at their
onboarding events
that they're doing
starting this week,
I think the idea
is to basically
reward people
for, like,
setting up their passport
and their wallet
and a variety
of other things
with, like,
just basically
a small amount
of crypto
that you could
then go and
allocate in the round
to any grantee.
You know,
personally,
I would prefer
if this was done
sort of just as a way
to help offset gas fees.
That being said,
you know,
I do think
sort of doing it
at scale
with a lot of
different partners
is definitely better
than sort of a focus
on any one
particular project.
This is definitely
sort of a novel
situation.
I'm hoping it's
not a situation
that we end up
having to repeat
in future rounds,
you know,
just given that,
like,
you know,
we're in this
current reality
of just what
the functionality
of the platform
is right now.
You know,
we could be running
rounds on other
L2s in the future.
You know,
I think definitely
we're looking at
this round right now
and wishing we'd
perhaps run it
on optimism
just given the,
you know,
the,
I could go in
a little bit
into the,
how that decision
was made,
although maybe
I'll pause for a second
because I'm seeing
a couple hands
so maybe I'll just
stop talking for a second
and let you guys
jump in if there's,
you know,
sort of a hot pursuit
of anything I've said
so far that you want
to talk about.
Yeah,
guys,
go with the flow.
so maybe
Rod and then
Dollar Earth.
I see your hands up.
Yeah,
I just have
like a specific,
I have a feeling
that that
reimbursement fund
is the only option
and happy to donate
to that fund,
like already made
a pledge
to donate
to that fund
$100.
The main question
is how
it could be organized,
like who leads it,
how to make it
for the whole community.
If it could be
like a fund
guided by Gitcoin
and we at the community
could help
to guide that fund,
it would be amazing.
But my main question
is that
someone has to be
responsible
for that,
how you envision
the coordination,
how we have to
coordinate with each other
to make it happen.
And with respect
to the fact
that we have
like 10 days left,
it would be great
to think
how we can
make it fast.
I'll just really
quickly jump in
to try to reply
to that first
and then if there's
a different question,
I'll jump back in.
So my two cents is
it would actually
be best
if it wasn't
administered
directly by Gitcoin.
I think it would be
better if it was
sort of decentralized
because I just
don't think
we should be
the sort of
arbiter
of making
those decisions.
That being said,
I think we definitely
could talk internally
about maybe
putting in
some money
from Gitcoin
and entrusting
it to partners
to allocate,
both just in terms
of us not being
a bottleneck.
We are running
pretty close
to the edge
of what our
capacity is
just with our
existing work
around eligibility
and appeals
and dealing
with bugs
and every other
thing.
So one approach
would be that
RefiDAO
does have this
event that they're
organizing with a lot
of folks in the
space,
probably some
of you who
are already
involved.
One approach
could be to
simply just
kind of more
people get
involved in that
pre-existing plan
which I think
starts rolling
out on Tuesday
so there is
work that's
already happening
on that
and maybe
just getting
in touch
with John
and the gang
and seeing
if there's
a way
that more
people could
add to that
pool of funds
that's going
to be distributed
and maybe even
host some of
these onboarding
events in even
more locations.
That's one
approach.
Another would
be that I
know a number
of you have
already started
to set up
some sort
of infrastructure
for people
requesting refunds
for gas fees.
Maybe if
as a group
you all just
kind of got
together and
collectively put
your efforts
together and
maybe just
focused it on
the climate
round if that's
what you want
to do and
we could try
to see if we
can get some
additional funds
to sort of
help make
this not too
much of a
burden on any
one particular
project.
definitely happy
to do that
and there
might even
be some
other volunteers
within the
Gitcoin community
who could
kind of help
get involved
but anyway
I'll pause
again because
I'm seeing
a lot of
hands.
Yeah awesome
awesome maybe
we can also
give other
members here
the mic.
Yeah I
said Rod
and then
Dollar Earth
and then maybe
after that
Kula because
Kula also had
their hands up
and then Jimmy
joined us.
So yeah
Dollar Earth
Kula Jimmy
please feel
free to
share your
thoughts and
I would like
to further
discuss also
what we just
brought up
here but
maybe yeah
for another
time and
for another
space because
this is super
important to
get it straight
but yeah
Dollar Earth
to your
stage.
Yeah thanks
thanks for
that.
So Ben one
I feel like
I would also
want to note
that the
Gitcoin
passport score
was reduced
to I think
16 this time
and that
really helped
like onboard
new people
into this
thank I
think that
was a big
shift and
it's definitely
a big help
right now so
I would like to
appreciate that
for sure and
regarding the
gas bit
so just so
just so that
we are clear
as to how we
can operate I
think a group
getting together
and having a
pool with I
feel like maybe
clarity would be
required on how
we word it
so that we
are communicating
it effectively
and probably
not crossing
any lines so
that you know
I think raising
that money would
be one bit and
we could do it
in small batches
of like 20-30
projects but
how do we put
it across and
also also if
we were to
come up with a
proposal for
the governance
forum would
something like
this fly where
we said that
like maybe
from the
matching pool
the amount
was retroactively
disbursed to
all the
transactions that
took place
like maybe
three weeks
after the
round is over
or something
yeah that's
I'm glad to
hear that the
passport experience
has been less
friction I
should say it
wasn't even just
the the overall
score changing
but also how the
weighting of
various different
stamps was
calculated I
I'll give a
shout out to
the passport
team in
particular who
you know I
know looked at
climate round
as kind of a
use case and
you know tried to
take that into
consideration when
you know looking
at sort of how
scores were
tabulated I
think in the
past we didn't
have a path in
passport that if
you were not
quote-unquote
web three native
like if you
hadn't if you
didn't have a
lot of web
three tools that
you'd been using
over a period of
time that it
was much more
difficult to get
to that minimum
score so now
there is a
pathway to get
enough of a
score just from
some of the
non web three
sort of identity
verification stamps
like you know
LinkedIn and
Google and
Twitter and you
know and all
that you know
legacy web stuff
you know so it
is always an
ongoing sort of
balancing act of
like trying to
facilitate civil
protection and
ensure that people
are genuinely who
they say they
are you know
the flip side
is you know
that it you
know we need to
make sure that
that's not
creating undue
friction or sort
of like slowing
down people's
ability to
participate so
glad to hear
that that's been
a step in the
right direction
and I for one
am a big fan of
the one click
you know verification
that is now the
first step in
the passport which
I think for most
of us with
wallets just makes
the whole process
go way faster
so you know
compared to the
experience some
folks had last
round definitely
big step in the
right direction
with passport I
hope we have the
same kind of
experience looking
back even you
know a week from
now at the end
of the you know
as we get closer
to the end of
the round saying
that some of the
things that were a
problem in the
first you know
four or five days
was less of a
problem in the
next four or five
days that being
said you know I
think the other
thing you were
asking was just
sort of like what
would be the
chances of
something succeeding
in governance so
I'm not even
necessarily suggesting
that we need to
bring something to
a vote to the
stewards that process
takes a couple of
weeks it's actually
more like a month
in some cases
because it has to
be up on the
governance forum
first and then go
to snapshot you
know so I think
it's actually
possible that we
might be able to
allocate some funds
just directly from
work stream budgets
without having to
take it to the
stewards for like a
larger scale vote
you know I think
really the question
is just like having
a discussion more
than anything else
you know I just
like to you know
if we are doing
something that's a
bit out of the
ordinary I think
it's important to do
it in public and
have it discussed
and sort of
written down and
give everybody the
ability to weigh in
you know and it's
possible that this
could be something
that get coin
administered I just
personally think if
there's a way to
decentralize things it's
always better to do
it that way and you
know I think that the
trick would really
just be to have a
group of people that
represent a number of
different projects who
are all sort of
focused on trying to
ensure this is done
fairly so maybe the
thing to do is just
to create like a
telegram group that
is like explicitly
for discussing this
and we could invite
anybody that's
interested in it to
to be part of that
discussion along with
the refi DAO folks to
see how it fits into
their thought process
you know and maybe if
we just get that
started you know we
can you know kind of
YOLO the details
together figure out how
big that pool of
cash is and kind of
really just get into
the weeds of the
details of what would
be required to sort of
roll this out but I
think at a minimum it
would basically just be
the general premise that
like this needs to be
very clearly not
supporting any one
particular project that
it's not putting too
much burden on any one
particular project and
you know there's enough
kind of eyeballs on it
that there's a sense
that you know everything
that's being done is
appropriate you know
beyond that I think
probably it's just a
some sort of mechanism
for people to self
report you know might
be yet another form I
might get a little too
form happy sometimes
maybe that's not
necessary but nice to
have sort of a
spreadsheet and a
record basically so
you know maybe you
know I would say that
probably the minimum
viable version of this
in my mind is like you
know just some way for
somebody to like
requests you know
support with the gas
fees you know include
a link to the ether
scan transaction you
know just so people you
know have there's some
some transparency to the
fact that you actually
did donate and you know
and then maybe we can use
all this as a sort of a
way to promote and
encourage people to
donate one other thing
I'll say too is like
there definitely is a
huge fluctuation in gas
prices at off-peak hours
you know and I think all
of us could do more to
sort of try to really
focus our promotions
around sort of those
off-peak moments and
like you know have like
maybe alerts that we're
sending out over Twitter
or elsewhere when we see
the price dipping down
low enough that it you
know might be less of a
burden to donate I know
that you know kind of
what is a burden is a
pretty big question like
I think you know a
five dollar gas fee is
a lot of money for some
people and not a lot
for others you know and
the other thing I would
say is encouraging
bundling of donations
so that people are not
you know just donating
to one project at a
time but really trying
to help people sort of
have a sense of like if
you want to support a
bunch of projects that
are related to renewable
energy for example here's
a bunch of projects that
you can donate to it's a
shame we don't still have
that collection feature
that we did in previous
rounds but at least for
the moment like I think
there's ways through you
know Twitter threads and
you know or even like
notion pages or whatever
else we might be able to
at least somewhat
reproduce that that same
sort of idea just to make
it easier for people you
know to to bundle
donations and also to you
know to try to find times
of day that are off peak
that are worth trying and
one last thing I'll say is
there is this tool gas
hawk I saw that they
tested doing a donation on
the round the other day
it's basically just a
tool that times your
transaction to when gas
fees are low so it kind
of puts you in a queue I
haven't a chance to fully
test it personally I from
talking to our devs I get
the impression that you
will see an error report
for the the transaction
basically timing out if you
try to use that tool and
but the transaction when it
does go through should
still be registered and
count matching fees I've
been a little hesitant to
you know promote it
aggressively because just
worry that you know given
how many things are in
beta right now I wouldn't
want to create a situation
where that does create
problems or further
confusion and you know it
does require you know at
least a little bit of
technical capability to
sort of figure out how to
add it to your metamask and
navigate their dashboard and
all that stuff anyway I'm
seeing a flurry of hands so
I should probably shut up and
let you guys ask questions
or make comments thanks for
sharing everything Ben yeah I
also had in mind exactly
gas fee optimization like
gas hog maybe that we can
also integrate it for all the
upcoming rounds and then for
sure the combination of
batching the donations and
then gas fee optimization
might be a good way to go but
yeah we need to find out for
now I also want to highlight
yeah the other project that
raised the hands cooler you
you have your hands up for
you know quite a time now it's
your time to shine thank you
thank you so much thank you
everyone this is like really
an important discussion so
yeah Ben just a quick few
questions like the original
idea that you know kind of
had with the guild and just by
myself before the round
started was like that you
know create a faucet right just
like a basic faucet that
anybody could go to basically
did you know emphasize that
we're just trying to you know
push donors that like you
know you know a dollar or two
dollars is a lot for gas so
they can you know top up
their ETH to donate but you
know now we're now now that
we're seeing you know the
through the round and it might
be harder to do it proactively
but but we could maybe do it
like a manual proactive way
instead of doing it like a
faucet so like would you
recommend doing proactively
and retroactively like hey we
have a form you know if you
want to before you make a
transaction if you don't have
any ETH to really like push
your die through you know you
can come and request it you
know providing certain details
but as well as like you know if
you did push a donation through
and you spent a lot you can also
request it retroactively would
you recommend doing both or just
you know choose one and stick to
my two cents is I like the idea of
a faucet but it just feels very
basically civil attackable like it
just seems like the kind of thing
that you know if anybody could go
and claim it you're just going to
drive a ton of people to go and
claim some free crypto that may or
may not actually with right yeah
yeah I mean if it could be
passport I mean if it would
probably require somebody doing a
little building to facilitate that
but I mean I definitely think it
would be an interesting experiment
you know probably the safer
approach would be like you know
if it's if it's people that are
known to you or to other projects
like to you know have some sort of
attestation process which could be
done through get one passport but
maybe there's other ways to do it
as well you know the the good thing
about it being done retroactively is
at least there's like it's very clear
evidence of like this was actually
money that was spent on on gas fees
for the round you know so I mean it
just like in terms of that sort of
on-chain uh trust but verify kind of
thinking uh you know I see some
benefit there um you know maybe
there's a way to you know do it
proactively and then just ask people
to self-report after the fact to show
that they actually did it um and this
is I think part of the reason why you
know if this was done at arm's length
from get coin like you've all got
relationships with the folks that are
your supporters or people that are
telling you they want to donate but
are running into gas fee issues so
maybe there's some way that uh you
know just through sort of the network
hubs of uh you know of all of you and
your relationships um that this could
be sort of rolled out in the in the
optimal way that might not be as as um
you know easy to do for us at gitcoin
if we you know don't have those same
relationships and we're a little
unclear kind of uh you know who we'd
be giving the money to and so what the
implications would be
understood understood and and I just
want to like say you know ben um
super thankful for you like coming here
and just you know helping us discuss
this and you know the intentions are
like you know you maybe at first you
know like the idea is not to increase
donations like we're don't we're as the
round started we became donors as well
like contributing to other projects and
we just want to treat people the way we
want to be treated type of thing and
it's just like coming from that um you
know intention really honestly so thank
you ben
hey my pleasure it's totally an honor to
be in service of all of you and and I
you know there's just so much good
vibes and good stuff that comes out of
this community I'm always happy to do
whatever I can
um wow really a sea of hands out there
I feel like I'm like uh I don't know
uh watching everybody do the wave or
something uh all right I'm gonna stop
talking
guys everything's fine ben everything's
fine uh you know we we have uh I
really enjoyed the discussion um because
you know with the with the with an eye on
the on the on the clock I see that our
time is running out and I see so many
so many amazing projects in here
so if you did haven't done it already
uh please you know like the space
retweet the space put in your donations
donation links so that we can find your
great projects on the gitcoin uh beta
platform uh and then you know for the
rest of the time um just for your info
we will have another space going on um
starting at uh let me see 5 pm utc so in
15 minutes um our friends at urbanica
will organize this and I will also post a
link here on the jumbatron I finally
figured out how to use this amazing tool
and now for the last five minutes uh I
want to give uh the stage I mean many
many many many thanks to everyone who
joined us and you know for for for sure
a special thanks to you Ben for joining
us today and also you know fixing some
of the questions that our audience had
um and for the rest of the time I also
want to give um yeah the the three
projects on here uh the stage and a
voice um you know share what you have in
mind um I think uh chronologically it was
jimmy solar punk and green pill global
uh yeah maybe uh elevator pitch or one
minute sharing of uh your thoughts so
let's go jimmy
oh we're doing elevator pitches okay uh
tree gens trying to pioneer the most
uh rewarding and transparent tree
planting it's up in the jumbo but I had a
I had a question for uh for Ben so I'm
sure a lot of folks within the solo
punk guild for example would would throw
in some cash to build out a pool for
collective uh you know gas reimbursements
um but I think that'll also only get us
kind of so far I feel like that would get
drained pretty quickly particularly if we
even open it up to the full climate
round or you know definitely if we did it
for the whole bitcoin um grants programs
so beyond that it'd be great I think to
try to bring in some sponsors right because
I don't know about you guys but maybe you
guys know many of the sponsors but off the
top of my head I can only name like a
couple but if all of a sudden one
sponsor came in and was like all right
we're paying all the gas like everyone
would literally be dming all of their
potential donors that were posting about
hey because of x company we now don't
have to pay gas and like it would just
be like the best sponsorship opportunity
ever for whoever would want to come in
there right so should you know so do you
think we should just like hit up sponsors
on our own for this could that potentially
happen at all in line like with gitcoin
because obviously you have a lot of
relationships with um you know funders
and stuff like that so um to what
extent do you think gitcoin might want
to engage in uh trying to bring in
sponsors for gas specifically
um I can tell you that I've already
been talking to some folks uh along with
the folks from refi dao uh who've been
you know they're trying to find some
sponsorship for uh this event that
they're doing starting on tuesday where
they're like basically doing hands-on
onboarding support in a bunch of
physical locations around the world
um so yeah I mean I would say let's
move that conversation to a telegram
thread maybe if somebody could
volunteer to set up a thread uh you
know to to coordinate like because
definitely we don't want to like
harass some of those potential funders
with the exact same message from a
bunch of different people although
sometimes it's good to hear from more
than one person um but we could like
get into the weeds of talking about
specific relationships and specific
people um and you know and I'm
definitely down to bring back to our
team the idea of putting a little bit
uh you know into the pot to try to help
with this idea and move it forward
um you know so let's just uh yeah I
think probably the best thing we could
do is just like and I also don't want
to take away from people's last 10
minutes of shilling potential here
and I've got a feeling we could keep
talking about this for quite a while
um so maybe if we just move it async
and uh and and find a telegram thread
and if somebody just tags me in it I'll
I'll be happy to join and talk there
um but long story short is uh I think
you're absolutely right that it is an
opportunity for somebody to really
highlight that they're trying to help
the community out it is kind of a
novel situation um and uh also I
noticed that there was some comments
around wanting to know more about why
we chose ETH over optimism um long
story short was there was just some
concern around you know additional
support for helping people bridge to an
L2 um and that for anybody who wasn't
on already on optimism that they'd end
up just spending the gas fees on
bridging costs um that being said in
retrospect I'm not so sure that was
the right decision uh you know there
have been folks who've really pushed
the idea of uh you know polygon being a
better option and I know there are all
kinds of new bridging technology that's
out there um it's it's kind of the
challenge of trying to serve a very big
and diverse community uh you know for
some people going directly onto
optimism would be super easy they're
already on there they're super
familiar with bridging um for a lot of
people this is their first experience in
web 3 and there's already a lot of
friction and this would just be an
extra layer of friction um but you know
I'm hopeful that because everything is
becoming increasingly decentralized to
get coin um you know that maybe we
could have just run the climate round
for example on optimism and maybe that
would have been the thing to do
so definitely there'll be more
discussion of this we'll also have more
options at our disposal before the next
quarterly round and I can tell you
there's going to be a whole bunch of
rounds coming not too long after our
next quarterly round like we're talking
to a bunch of people about
independently run rounds probably a
bunch of them will be on optimism um
you know so as much as uh uh you know
I think we're all used to this kind of
quarterly cadence and the sort of how
that plays a role in our in our culture
and our lives uh you know I think
there's also going to be ways that you
can dip into some other rounds uh you
know even like so if you don't get
everything you're hoping to out of
this round um you may have another
opportunity even sooner than last time
um that being said uh I also hope that
that doesn't create on you know extra
stress for all of us who already kind of
go you know full on uh you know what's
a quarter so uh lots to lots to sort
of unpack and explore as all this
evolves and you know we're all just
part of this big experiment together
but anyway you guys should chill I'm
going to stop talking
big love Ben big love thank you very
much for sharing your knowledge uh
yeah man I highly appreciate thank you
very much um okay after Jimmy we also
had uh Guido Solarpunk here uh yeah
yeah now it's your time please share
everything
Obani can I also see you on stage I
already shared more link in the
Jumatron check it out um and yeah
video please yeah a very quick question
for Ben and can you because we are
seeing that almost everybody is uh
something like 90 percent down of the
nation comparison to Alpha Round so my
question is let's imagine that gas fees
stay very high and we go on of all
this round very slow so we will arrive
with very small number of donation
everybody can you imagine a scenery
where you will not allocate matching
funds because the level of donation is
too slow to apply it in a reliable way can
you see that or you will um I say you
will assign the matching fund anyway
that's a great question um and uh it
shows a deep understanding of quadratic
funding friend a high five to you uh I
would say that uh there is no chance
that for the core rounds we won't
allocate all the matching funds um it's
possible that one of the featured rounds
may decide to uh not push the button
that's in manager which basically gives
you the ability to distribute all the
funds even if the round hasn't hit what
we call the signature um but that is
basically just an option that exists in
the back end of the manager tool which
is kind of the back end of the explorer
tool in our grant stack um so if the
funds have not been fully allocated by
the quadratic funding algorithm um then
basically we just have a button we can
push that just distributes the funding
according to the current level of
support within the round and that'll
definitely be what we do in this round
uh if we don't hit saturation in any
uh of the pieces of the round that
being said I am hopeful that things
uh pick up in the next week um you
know I think we always see a big push
right at the very last minute uh you
know something like 50 percent of
funding has come in on the last day or
two in some rounds um and I know
there's all kinds of promotion that
people are planning including some
really big stuff coinbases
cast interviews and other things um so
there will be some waves that we can
all ride uh you know I think the whole
market
gas fees uh you know I think all of us
have a little bit less to give away in
our pockets and as much as people
even in GR 15 the the longer the uh the
bear goes on I think you know we're
feeling the effects of it uh and for that
reason alone I am strongly in favor of
ensuring that we allocate all the
matching funds that have been
allocated during this round um so you
know I can I can promise you that
from the core rounds in terms of
matching funds regardless of the level
of support that that people get it'll
just be proportional to kind of where
everybody is in the round uh you know
even if the amounts are smaller
comparatively speaking to previous
rounds
that's really really for all of us
to hear for sure but also uh ben I
feel on the on jimmy's idea like if
there were people inside the team
right now who could at least point us
in the right direction like we could
also take it up on our own to like
have that conversation with them if the
team is really tied up so yeah let us
know how best we can like help to make
that happen
I'm I bet you somebody has already
created that telegram group has
anybody done it uh 100 looks like at
least one person's created one um
maybe we could just share the the
direct link to that telegram in the in
the chat here on the jumbotron um and
uh we can all continue that
conversation there and kind of get into
the specifics of who's reaching out to
who and kind of how it's looking and
how we're rolling this all out but um
I'm definitely committed to working
with you guys on it and we'll do some
on top of what we've done already
I definitely agree I definitely agree
Ben and yeah I think sale green pay
global you you already create a group
I would love to see this as a joint
initiative between all the good coin
grantees in here and all the you know
folks that are really interested in in
in in yeah increasing or uh yeah
challenging the status quo of what we
what we did in the past uh yeah for now
I think urbanica is also here um you
know thanks again Ben for sharing
everything uh and urbanica don't you
want to start your your your space
or why is your hand hand up um and
you know join the telegram group and
maybe uh you know that we can sync
asynchronously um but yeah
yeah I just wanted to say that uh I
will start it now I was wondering
what's the topic that you are talking
so that we can continue there but I
get the general idea of how is the flow
going but uh I already heard what's
going on so I will start it and then
we can see we can keep talking there
thanks thanks everyone thanks Ben for
sharing all this it's uh more um we feel
more confident of the things going uh
even if the the fees are are very bad
like I spent 80 uh dollars just in fees
for uh the climate solutions and I
haven't uh get donated to the other
ones which I will have but I I hope
that it won't do that much at work this
is part of the experiments we are
leaving and that we are building
together so it's okay it's part of the
cost
okay yeah man awesome we need to we
need to get it straight totally agree
um I I saw that green for global say
your hand was also up uh last but not
least it's uh your stage and then I
think we can slowly close it up for
today um for now you know before say
you jump on stage I want to thank
everyone who joined us today for
tuning in all the speakers and all the
audiences um and yeah say I'll please
feel free to share what you have in
mind
thanks Manuel uh hi everyone hi Ben
thanks so much for answering all the
questions sufficiently it's super
helpful so I created this telegram
group for us to put together a report
so that we can you know just help the
community improve but I think it would
be great if we can just like you know
have the discussion on how do we go
about getting sponsors so I just pinged
john also we were also talking about the
same thing that you know how do we go
about it and uh yeah I would request
everyone it's in the chat please hop
onto that group and I'm gonna add
john and everyone else so that we can
you know come to a solution and how we
are going about it yes thank you so
much and yeah over to you
awesome yeah like I said let's make
this an ecosystem initiative and uh yeah
totally down for this um okay who wants
to go next for today I think you know
um out of the hour we all need to go
into urbanica space to show our
projects because today we had
important discussions um highly
appreciate this um but you know in any
other case we are also here to to raise
some donations um create some buzz around
what what our projects and we are up to
uh so now it's your last stage maybe
jimmy you you you teased it maybe doing
elevator pitches for one minute so we
have two more projects to go um and in
any other case I'm totally open for any
other closing remarks that you want to
share um so yeah rod I see your hands up
uh thanks ben for coming and for uh being
really engaged in the in the process I
really appreciate uh that that like we
have you here uh trying to help
everyone thank you so much for jumping
in like quite fast
you're legendary thank you so much ben we
always love having you here on get coin
radio you're welcome to come to any
space 24 hours we will be here in the
interwebs doing the gate coin radio um
for the community um and uh and of
course yeah we're starting another one
soon love to have you there or whenever
you're available also by the way john is
coming to the next one so um make sure
everybody comes through to the next
space let's keep these vibes going and
yeah thanks again ben for for uh showing
up to to share um I don't know if we
have time for an elevator pitch we're
pretty much at top of the hour but yeah
tree gens um you can you can check them
out it's at the tree gens um and yeah
we're doing tokenized trees non-fungible
updates carbon forwards scaling that
the world's first dynamic semi-soulbound
token um i'll throw it over to earth
yeah i think there are a bunch of us here
all i'd like to say is definitely check
all our grants out but we're also
running like a custom bespoke solar
punk pfp initiative going for which
there's a link in our bios so just go
fill that out for two minutes and we're
making like uh avatars using mid journey
uh so yeah just there check it
awesome man awesome yeah it's 7 p.m
central european time for me uh we have
web3b joining us last minute sorry real
quick what's who's hosting the next space
so we can get all of the quadratic
friends listeners to move over there
it's urbanica check check the pins
urbanica o x urbanica okay okay thanks
bye you want to pitch now
thanks buddy we can close it up if you
do not want to speak okay thanks to
everyone who joined us today next space
urbanica day four twitter spaces on
gitcoin radio joshua do you want to add
something your last closing remarks thanks
to anyone big love and shout out big
love and see you at urbanica thanks so
much
all right let's go friends over to
urbanica um manu please uh keep this
open until people make the transition
over there um so everyone let's grow
let's grow
just swipe right on the jumbotron i'll
see you in urbanica space
cheers see you
joshua you heard jimmy let's keep
loud and clear
and for the people who are still in
here today it's my family day and i'm
chilling with my mom
so shout out to my mom say hi
hello
sending lots of love to manu's mom
yeah yeah and we will also join the
next twitter space so watch out for
urbanica uh yeah up on the
jumbotron day for urbanica twitter
space next on gitcoin radio
see you at urbanica
very nice
so i'm going to keep this space open for
one more minute and i'm i'm going to see
all of you at urbanica's place
that we can keep on chilling pitch our
projects and keep this conversation
going see you there
with
Okay, everybody, it's time now. I'm going to close this space. You can find the link to the next space on Gitcoin radio here in the Jumbotron. It's Urbanica. And this is where we're going to continue our conversation. See you then. And thank you for joining and tuning in and sharing your thoughts. What's a great day.
And so it's not over yet. See you there.
