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Recorded: Feb. 17, 2026 Duration: 1:39:22Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion among crypto enthusiasts, participants highlighted the disconnect between viral social media moments and actual user engagement on platforms like PumpFun, indicating a troubling trend of declining interest. They also emphasized the importance of community building and sustainable practices in driving growth, while expressing bearish sentiments about the current state of the crypto market.
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Music Thank you. yo what's going on anything new guys did i miss anything while i was asleep
it's a great day to have a great day gm to the world let's go gm legend fresh coffee hey alex nope not reading that one gm um
goku says who's up early what's up big cuz
hello this thing on good morning what's up what are you doing looking for a job
bro do you have to sound depressed like you have to come in and bring that depression on everyone
my daughter is here sleeping
can you sound like just a little bit chipper I am a chipper I'm making coffee
No, you always sound down and out we got to get you out of this
No, that's not gonna do shit
That's like that's not gonna do shit you need to come to Columbia so. You need to come to Columbia. So I can stress less. Come to Columbia.
Let me check.
Hang on.
Let me see.
Philly.
What bills do you have?
What do you mean?
I have kids, dog.
Two of them from college.
What are you talking about?
Philly to Columbia.
$500 round trip.
Pull up. Pull up. It'll change your life. I. Pull up.
Pull up.
It'll change your life.
I'll pull up.
Trev's in the listener section.
He's really interested in this clavicular Mika stuff, I think.
Trev, I don't think I can do it again for today.
I can't cover clavicular two days in a row.
I didn't see nothing else happening with that either.
What's that? Nothing else. I didn't see nothing else happening with that either. What's that?
Nothing else.
I didn't see anything new with that.
I feel like it's over already.
Me too.
But there was zero transfer rate from the virality to the live stream on PumpFun.
That makes no sense to me whatsoever.
It's just like like how much is this
clavicular shit bought it trev she had a live stream yesterday mika and she had 13 viewers on
her pump fund well yeah that's what i'm saying honestly i don't give a fuck anymore if you guys
want to talk about it but i think it's uh an event in the past we're dragging it on at this point
she's getting her fifteen thousand dollars worth i'm not dragging it on.
I'm more like, how did she go viral on the internet
and then zero transfer to the PumpFun live stream?
You would think people wanted to come hear what she had to say on the stream.
Yeah, just knowing how much of this clavicular virality is real
is what I question.
Nobody gives a fuck about what the counterparty had to say yesterday.
Illa was right yesterday.
How about Illa pulling up to Alex and Book's face?
I might have something to do with that.
Probably because the topic was clavicular and, like, creator coins or something.
I don't know.
It was definitely the topic probably at hand.
Because we had a lot of different people.
Like, Trev was here.
Trev's normally not here.
Yeah.
It was just a topic.
Everyone was interested in what happened.
But that's it.
The show's over.
What are we looking at now, Trev?
What's that?
That show is over, man. Yep. Back to
irrelevancy we go.
SPF tweeted again if you want to
go after him. No, I don't.
I'm done with SPF too.
He said he's insolvent.
That he's not insolvent.
I mean. I don't care
what a criminal tells me. I'm pretty sure
a criminal's going to lie to me. What about Bark
being a scammer? Who about Bark being a scammer?
Who said Bark's a scammer?
Uncle Dan.
Uncle Dan has one like on his tweet.
Why do you have Uncle Dan's notifications turned on?
I don't.
I don't know why his shit popped up on my timeline.
I don't even follow him.
Probably because you...
Wait, let me look at it.
Oh, now he has 33 likes, so he's trying to push it really hard.
You sound like Bark right now.
What do you mean?
You two sound alike.
Because he probably tries to copy me.
I don't know.
Bark's been outperforming you for the past
two years.
No, he hasn't.
Bark has not outperformed me a day in his
life. You kidding me? He has one of the
biggest crypto communities on this application.
Bro.
What?
He has not outperformed me a day in his life.
There wasn't one day on this planet in which Bark outperformed me.
You can't point to that day.
That singular day.
There's not a singular day that exists.
Ever since Books left, he just went.
He said, fuck it. I'm going for augusta and he's up he's up there look i got booked right in here
hey trab what are you doing these days then you still do you stream on pump on anymore
fuck no i don't do anything in my life bro bro. I'm kind of lost, but I'm figuring it out.
You haven't been streaming lately, right?
I was streaming in a couple months.
Yeah.
You haven't filmed content either, right?
Yeah. Well, I post content here and there,
but not as much as I used to.
Don't let this face get you down, bro.
Keep doing what you're doing.
Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why did everyone move from LA to New York?
Because Solana and Pump Fund's in New York.
You know, Trav?
I don't, I honestly don't know.
But my favorite thing of recent news or like recent kind of media within crypto Twitter is I remember SoulJaky
creating Based House and all these other people that were sponsored by PumpFun had such good
traction, I guess you could say, right? Iseem was being posted by Amy, by all the KOLs that
were sponsored by VCs. And when this first started happening,
I told everyone, I was like, look, these people aren't going to be successful. It's going to be
very hard. And all of them, all the pump on Souljakey, Amy, Tiana, pump on, oh, he's hating.
He's hating. He's hating. And look, it came true, right? It wasn't just hate. It came from a place
of knowledge. It's like you're a fucking basketball scouter,
right? And you're going to scout people playing basketball in college. If this guy doesn't make
a certain amount of points per game, he's not going to the NBA. If these people aren't entertaining
enough, they're not going to become famous content creators on the internet. It's as simple as that.
And I told everyone that and no one wanted to listen, yet they still got paid by PumpFun.
They still got promoted by all these KOLs.
And now they're getting fucking four likes a tweet.
They're absolutely lost.
They're nobodies.
And these are the people that we were betting on to increase the platform, PumpFun, and increase the crypto space.
Like, it's fucking cooked.
cooked i mean that whole event yesterday got me even more bearish on everything it's like
bro you got the most viral thing on the internet and it can't get more than
like 10 viewers i'm fucking pumped that's what i'm saying yeah like there's and the reason why
is because there's no conversion rate the conversion rate between people who don't know pump fun
To go on the platform is literally nothing the only people who are on pump fun already know pump fun. They're already in crypto
There's no normies who are sitting there wanting to watch content. There's no normie sitting there learning to
Want to make money like everyone already knows what pump fun is and they're already on it. There's no new users.
And the most viral clip on the internet
isn't going to bring anyone.
You think if they would have streamed
on Kik, they would have had a different result?
It was streamed on Kik.
No, no.
So her follow-up to the response
like her next
the next stream she did was not on
well his was on
he streamed on an alt account
apparently
yeah it was his friend's account
why did he do that?
I don't know I think because he wanted it to be like undercover
he didn't want
no one to follow her
he didn't want to give her what she wanted bro
same thing with neon when he came here and scammed he didn't chill on his twitter he didn't
chill on his instagram he made a brand new account to join spaces he wanted none of his fans involved
same thing here wanted none of his fans involved if she she has a token or anything, didn't want nothing involved.
He got a call from people that don't like her prior
to not trust her,
probably told him that she's a scammer
and all this crazy shit
to even fuck up the whole interview from happening.
And that's what I think occurred.
That's how I see it.
That's the only way.
Alex, same thing with us, bro.
When we don't fuck with someone, we start a space from music or my my alt account right or wrong?
Same shit. I joined people's faces for my alt account. So no one joins
They have zero like literally zero conversion rate that's the word i was looking for
it was a zero conversion rate to pump fun and supposedly having the most viral clip on the
internet i don't know how viral it was i don't know did it did it make it onto like other social
medias i don't know if you guys use tikt Instagram. I've only seen it on Twitter.
Yeah, posted by like the paid clippers, like the paid pump fund clippers.
In all of them, they're never mentioning Mika's name.
It's all reporter, which is maybe a reason why there's not as much conversion.
One thing that's weird is
the autism capital has been non-stop
shilling convicular.
I'm like, what does he have to do with any of this?
Remember I was saying yesterday how
Feared Buck and all these Twitter
pages, they're used as
promotion for talent
agencies. They're all paid off
by talent agencies and groups of people to promote media Like they're all paid off by talent agencies
and groups of people to promote media.
They're all actual scum, bro.
They're all actual pieces of shit.
The fact that they're trying to make Mika look bad
is kind of annoying, bro, to be real with you.
I think Mika, again, Trev, I don't know if you don't like her
or she don't like you or whatever, bro.
You got to like, in a way, put that to the side and think about this, like, as a crypto space.
And she went in, bro, with good intentions.
She was not being a bitch.
She was being nice and all that.
And the guy just was looking for a reason to end that interview and pocket that money, bro, in my opinion.
You know, 100%.
I'm not choosing really either sides but i just don't
like mika it's not like that i necessarily don't like her but you said it the other day she's
extracted more than she's actually done for this space and i just don't believe in i never said
that i think she's done more for the space than extracted did you because i maybe it was someone
else but i i believe even i don't know i think think it was Alex that Alex said it, and he said the same thing,
that she's done more for the space than extracted.
So, if, like, you got to ask, like, has she added more than she's taken out?
She's added more than she's taken out, is what I said.
Or, like, given back the more than that she's ever made in the space,
I definitely think that.
I mean, she's been doing it for...
My bad, Alex. I mean, she's been doing it for... My bad, Alex.
I mean, she's just been doing it for, like, years.
She's put a bunch of content into crypto.
A lot of educational stuff, early days.
And then she just, like, transitioned into, like, doing this, I don't know, like, lately.
But before the Clavicio stuff, she was doing, like, this crash out stuff that I didn't agree with.
I don't know if that was all a psyop.
But I feel like the clavicular stuff really helped her mentally.
She was way more sound yesterday than I've ever seen her in times past.
Yo, I'll tell you too.
She may have been around extractive people.
That don't mean she extracted. I think she got used by around extractive people. That don't mean she extracted.
I think she got used by a lot of people.
And in this space, again, people judge you based off who you're around.
There's people that don't like me, so they hate Alex for it.
There's people that don't like Alex and they hate me for it.
It's just how this space is, man.
Just because you're friends with someone doesn't mean that
you think how they think or you act how they act and this space can't seem to handle that it's like a bunch of people that are like inexperienced in every way and again trev
like i'm telling you bro as someone like when i was new in this space five years ago mika co-hosted me. Mika brought me on stage when I had a thousand or 2,000 followers.
She had 70K. Also, I don't know, man. I don't know. Mika's been very egotistical to me. I remember
I joined a space two weeks ago at night and she had joined and immediately as she joined, she said,
are we talking about any high IQ topics in here? Because if not, then I'll just leave.
She literally said that, like those exact words.
And I was like, damn, that's kind of egotistical.
I heard, like, so we're, you're just calling us all dumb people in this Twitter space.
I don't know.
Oh, can you repeat that?
What did you say?
Yeah.
Did you ask a question?
No, no, no.
I was just saying, Mika, her personality as well.
It's something that I don't like.
Like, she had joined a Twitter space two weeks ago.
This was at nighttime.
I remember it was like GR.
That's his name.
She had joined and immediately as she joined, she said,
are we talking about any high IQ topics in here?
Because if not, then I'll just leave.
I was like, what the fuck?
She plays a character.
She plays a character too.
We got to understand she plays a character.
But look, books, I play a character too,
but that doesn't mean I go out and straight up disrespecting people and calling people dumb and shit like that
like what the fuck and she's trying to be funny bro it's mika's trying i'm gonna tell you what
she's doing i don't agree with it i told her i'll say to her face i'll tell her i've told her in
person already she tries to like fit in and be in the like the wrong groups that she thinks is cool
or popping or the culture whatever it is and it backfires every time and now it's these younger
clavicular like people before it was the the wannabe famous people in the crypto space
now it's the semi-famous guys outside the crypto space. And it's just all bad people.
And I don't know why she's so hung up on these people and, you know, this style of bullshit.
I can't change that.
I can't tell her what to do. Not her boss.
I try, but it is what it is.
I think that's where it stems from is she was incorporated with the la vape cabal
and that kind of just gives me like a bad energy i guess maybe if she wasn't completely incorporated
with all the bad shit happening i don't know it just goes to my brain because she was incorporated
with all those other people you know what i mean well even the la vape cabal like if you if you
really look like you zoom out, but pieces of absolute
shit, right or wrong?
Do you need one of these?
Pieces of absolute shit, but if you
zoom out,
they're not getting the hate. Mika's getting the hate.
Like, it doesn't even make sense.
Razmur, Threadguys,
they're the biggest scumbags.
Literally, yeah, they don't get any hate.
Because they control the media.ys, they're the biggest scumbags. Literally, yeah, they don't get any hate. Because they control the media.
Like, they control the feared bucks.
I don't know how much they're paying for those accounts, but...
And they also have, like...
Not only do they control, like, those accounts,
they also control, like, the VC accounts,
like, ZachXBT and Kobe.
It's just highly manipulative
in crypto Twitter.
And what's so sad is
it's like a niche category, right?
Like we were saying, there's not a lot of people
coming into this space.
You would think that everyone
in this niche category would kind of learn
and figure out and be like, oh yeah,
these VCs, this is a fake promoted influencer who is only being used to extract by this VC company.
I think we should learn. I don't get why we haven't learned all of us in this little niche
community because it's not like new people are joining for them to learn about this stuff it's like we've all kind of been here we've all experienced it and we all need to
like grow from it but it's just people are still still stuck well at this point like i'm starting
to to think about this it's not our job to onboard people it's not our job to really teach people
it's our job to like worry and focus on our job to really teach people it's our job to like worry
and focus on our own community grow our community and and the rest bro straight up everyone here
is like plays in every man for himself role and you might even have people in your community that
play an every man for himself role and not look at it as a whole community but as long as we do
we're good you know instead of you know me you
or alex playing every man for himself we play every community for himself and look after our
people teach our people help our people keep our people here keep our people happy and keep it
pushing because again if we're focused too much on the outside and you get lost and you get lost
outside man the space is too extractive the way i look at
is like you have to have like a big enough movement to really like flip a bag you know
you're not going to grit a like a huge movement on like a 50k coin like it's just not possible
putting up money in there but you get something like an aster like although i can't move aster
by myself i can put a lot more money into something like Aster,
but it takes a huge group effort.
And then what I'm good at is I'm not good at what Trev's good at.
Trev is good at getting attention outside of crypto.
I don't know how to do that.
The only thing I can do semi-okay is once we're here at crypto Twitter,
I can try to explain my investment
and why my investment is probably better than the
other investment. I'm like, here's why. And I'm not having any biases with what I'm saying. I'm
not paid to promote Aster or I was never paid to promote Solana. Those are just my general
thoughts. And it normally worked really well for converting. But that's why I think it has to be
done as a group effort when you're trying to move the chains.
I don't care about onboarding people into crypto.
I can't do it.
Trev can do it.
I can't. I cannot get someone from outside of crypto Twitter to be like, yo, crypto is cool.
There's a 0% chance I can do that.
I think the reason why I'm able to do that, Alex, is because I have an image to where people can believe something, right?
It's like, oh, look, this crackhead white kid with a missing front tooth that is retarded
got all this money from live streaming on PumpFun.
Oh, if he can do it, I can do it too.
So I think what I offer is a success story.
And that's what makes them come over here.
It's like you're a fat guy and you're wanting to buy
a workout course to get skinny. This workout course that you buy, you're not going to buy it
from a fucking skinny guy getting skinnier. You're going to buy it from a fat guy getting skinny
because it's an image. It's a story that you can believe that you can do it too. And that's what I
offer for the normies. I offer a narrative that they can do it too. And look, here's how I did it, right?
Look, I'm a stupid crackhead white kid with a missing front tooth doing stupid content,
but I did it.
And here's how I did it.
And I think that's the ultimate story to convert normies into crypto.
Because that's how crypto converted us all into crypto, right?
Is we saw success stories and the success
stories that we saw in crypto were P&Ls, Orangie flexing his watch on his fat wrist, right? These
people driving their nice cars in Dubai, et cetera. That was the success story for us to believe.
Now for the normies to believe something, it needs to be more, I guess, common, right? Not a P&L, not a watch.
For example, and this is what I told the pump fun,
you could have a six-foot Chad Andrew Tate wannabe,
for example, Clav,
in a drop-top Ferrari next to the Miami beach saying,
guys, go watch my pump fun stream,
go buy my course, whatever you're promoting, right?
Or you could have a literal homeless guy
in the same exact scenario,
a Ferrari next to the Miami beach,
half of his teeth missing, looks homeless.
Saying the same exact thing Clav is saying,
but which one is going to sell better to the viewer
is the one that doesn't make sense to the viewer
and the one that makes them think that they can do it too.
Whenever they see a homeless guy,
they're like, how the fuck did this homeless guy do it?
Right?
It grows awareness.
And then you think, oh, if this homeless guy did it,
I can do it too.
What is he doing it from?
And whatever he's promoting,
say the homeless guy is saying,
oh, I did it through a pump fun stream.
Then the normie thinks I can do it from a pump fun stream.
I can do it.
This homeless guy is doing it.
Whenever they see a six foot chat,
it's like, oh yeah, he looks like he's supposed to be there i don't know how the fuck i'm gonna do this like
you almost get mogged but whenever you see a homeless guy or a narrative that makes you think
that you can do it too that's the best narrative for success in onboarding
that's the weird part is why i don't get why pump fund didn't i think they did work with you though
no they did yeah no they worked with me but here's the thing is whenever it came to working
with me again they they shunned me down and said no and it was because i and i quote wasn't loved
enough or like i didn't i didn't it was so weird but if you know who Diddy Bop is they were looking
at Diddy Bop when they when they were looking at uh round three or a month three for supporting me
and they thought Diddy Bop was 10 times better than me and he lasted a month and that was it
and now it just went down. Was Diddy Bop popular outside of Twitter? Yes. So he was very popular on TikTok, right? But
this is what doesn't make sense to me is you're trying to grow a live streaming platform,
but you're sponsoring TikTokers that make 15 second videos. Their audience members
watch short form content. How are you thinking that their audience is going to go over and watch
live streams? Right. And another thing that doesn't make sense is we all know every normie that doesn't
understand crypto to the full extent, what do they think? It's a scam. So every single audience
member that was following Diddybop or any of these large creators on TikTok or whatever,
all the audience members thought of crypto as a scam. So why would they follow an influencer getting into crypto,
even if it's an influencer that they follow?
It doesn't make sense.
Instead, they should have onboarded live streamers,
actual content creators, instead of people just dancing on TikTok for 15 seconds.
just dancing on tick tock for 15 seconds like it's very very low iq their marketing team for pump fun
Like, it's very, very low IQ.
is by far the lowest iq marketing team that we've ever seen for a vc ever
no i'm not no you think i'm joking i have had i've had beef with their marketing team so
back like a year ago their instagram videos this is what it consisted of right
like a year ago, their Instagram videos, this is what it consisted of, right?
I just made a fake GoFundMe for a transgender grandma.
I got $100 donated to me through GoFundMe.
Now let's go take this GoFundMe money and see if we can make some more money.
And it's them putting the money on GoFund, right?
So the entire premises of this idea of the video is you making something that isn't real,
basis of this, of this idea of the video is you making something that isn't real,
scamming people and taking that scammed money and putting it on a gambling platform, AKA pump fun.
Like that, that is the worst ads for Instagram and the normies that I have ever seen in my life.
And I brought that to their attention and the marketing team started fucking going against me
like, Oh no, you don't know how this works. It's gotten very good conversion rate. I'm like, bro, all of the videos like this have a thousand views with like
50 likes. What are you talking about? And eventually they stopped making those videos,
right? And it wasn't, they never said, thank you, Trev, for pointing this out to me. They
went against me, said that I was wrong, and then continually didn't post them because I was right. So, yeah.
Their marketing team is actually fucking stupid.
Because it's as simple as the same, Alex.
You need a success story.
They're not offering a success story.
What about Gainsey?
Gainsey's not a success story.
Dude, Gainsey was a very, very profitable trader
a couple years ago.
Like, this guy has been up.
This guy literally lives in fucking Tel Aviv.
This guy lives in Israel.
Does he still stream on PumpFun?
Yes, dude.
He still streams on PumpFun,
and I think...
Yo, he said whenever he was first streaming on PumpFun,
he didn't have a deal.
The only way you're still streaming on PumpFun now is if you have a fucking deal.
So I'll just say that much.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, 100%.
He was sponsored by PumpFun.
Oh, 100%, dude.
Like, it wasn't even a question for me.
And he kept saying that he wasn't sponsored.
So that's why I was like, I believed him.
I believed him for the longest time.
And then after I kept on seeing him stream on pump,
I'm like, oh yeah, this guy is fucking getting paid.
But how many viewers does he get?
He was getting like 100 viewers at one point.
Is he still getting 100?
Dude, I don't know, to be honest.
I would assume he's probably getting like 40 to 50.
Not too bad. I had texted know, to be honest. I would assume he's probably getting like 40 to 50. Not too bad.
I had texted Iseem last night.
I said, I'll tell you exactly what I said.
I said, remember when I told you that you wouldn't be shit?
Laughing emoji.
And I said, fucking loser.
Right after that.
Oh, man.
Why have enemies when you got friends like Trev?
Hey, you know, I was up last night and I messaged my friend and I said,
I told you weren't going to be shit. And here you are. You ain't shit. Why have enemies when you
got friends like Trev? Well, look, like, look, I'm, I'm just so real, bro. I'm such a real ass
fucking human. And like I said, whenever these people were first coming up, it's like you being
a fucking, uh, a scouter for basketball teams, bro. If this, if this guy isn't making enough points, he's not going to the NBA.
If this guy isn't getting enough views, he's not becoming a fucking social media content
creator.
It's as simple as that.
They're fucking retards.
And Soul Jakey was sitting here saying, give it six months, give it six months.
I've given it six months and he still has a hundred followers on Instagram.
Like he's a fucking bum, bro.
It's a loser.
And the worst part of it all is this guy
Oh my god, this is the worst of it all and it still blows my mind
The solana account on twitter was literally
Commenting on ice seams videos when he was first coming out if you're telling me this kid wasn't the biggest plant ever
My nigga solana the the foundation that the base of the fucking that we're on, bro,
was literally promoting Icee when he was first becoming something. That's so bad. We had all
these pushed ass fake influencers on us by Solana themselves. And there's still nobody to this day.
How do you get pushed by Solana? Bro, if Solana retweeted one thing for me, bro,
PumpFun tweeted one thing out about me and I took that bitch off. Nig pushed by Solana? Bro, if Solana retweeted one thing for me, bro, Pump Fun tweeted one thing out about me,
and I took that bitch off.
Nigga, Solana is responding to you.
What are you doing with your life?
Pump Fun is paying for your housing situation.
Pump Fun is paying for cameramen around you.
Instead, you're sleeping in all day?
Nigga, like, these people don't want it enough, bro.
Like, it's so sad
I 100% agree with everything you just said right there like Solana I think that's was the downfall for salon in my opinion was there
identifying
Influence and trying to platform influence and it wasn't organic they were were like, okay, we're going to pick and choose who we want.
It's like, no, that's not how it's going to work.
You guys do that and then all of a sudden you guys are...
That's why I think, Trev, if you went to these I-relevants,
you'd really benefit.
I think that's what separates them from you.
Fuck no, dude.
It's just, I'm an outlandish person, right?
Everyone will argue I'm bad for crypto. I'm a net negative for crypto.
I'd say I'm good for crypto.
You know, I'm a bridge that acts to bring new people into this space.
Rather than me posting ticker after ticker and scamming people,
just like the LA Vape Cabal and all these other KOLs do on a consistent basis.
and all these other KOLs do on a consistent basis.
I think, yeah, it's whenever they started choosing
and picking and choosing and who they want to promote Solana
is when they kind of turned off everyone else
because then it made everyone else realize,
oh, I don't have any chance.
These people are already chosen.
It's not just a random pool of,
will Solana fuck with me if I'm making good content on their platform?
It's, nope. Do they have ties and VC funding?
And what was the people that they chose?
I'm going to tell you right now.
It started off with a bootleg.
Before you, Trev, started off with a bootleg knockoff version of Shillin' Villain.
And again, I'm going to tell tell you i saw it firsthand being someone
newer in the space and me and alex very uh he he went a lot like he grew a lot bigger and faster
than me but we grew at the same time like nobody to somebody in the same nine month period we'll say
okay and i watched it happen.
And I watched all these people beg him to go on stage.
I watched all these people
try to shill on his stage.
I watched all these people
make a lot of money
from this man.
I watched those same exact people
when he caught on
to what they were doing,
not get allowed on his stage
or allowed to shill or whatever
or get clowned in front of
everybody i watched him try to take him down i watched and heard those same people say all he
does is scream and yell he's cringe to them making a full-blown bootleg of alex screaming yelling and
cringe like these people would say full-blown sounds sounds like Alex talks, like Alex walks, like Alex acts, like Alex.
Everything full-blown mirror fucking image of Alex.
And all those people supported that person.
They didn't say all he does is yell.
They didn't say all he does is cringe and all this bullshit.
Extract.
No, they supported that person.
And I'm looking at both people's resumes, Alex and that person.
Alex was super informative, giving alpha, changing people's lives, making them money.
The other person was extracting, extracting, extracting, extracting.
Now with you, Trev.
Oh, Solana will never support him.
He's a junkie.
He acts like a crackhead.
He does drugs. Blah, does drugs blah blah blah blah blah
so what do we do we find a skinny guy that pretends he's a crackhead nods out and dies
soul jakey we got soul jakey oh my gosh and and bro nothing against soul jakey again i like the
guy i think he's funny but it's who they want bro it's who they want, bro. It's who they want.
If they see you as a threat or someone that could hurt them in any way, in their opinion, easily bought, easily manipulated, you won't say what they want you to say.
You give pushback.
Pump shirt, pump fun at times told you to do something and you were like, oh, not a good idea here's why and here's what i would rather do instead they don't
want that they want to tell you what to do and you go like a fucking sheep and you do it same thing
with alex vcs came to alex vcs paid alex vcs tried to suck alex in. Alex didn't want to do it. Then it's, oh, he's hard to work
with. He's not a team player. He's this, he's that. No, he's just not going to do what you tell him
to do, especially when it's bad shit like Libra token, like Blur and Blast, like all the other
scams that these people were pushing and unfortunately that's the way it
is like my thing with crypto is like why couldn't we as a group of individuals beat them why couldn't
we as a group of individuals come together you know instead of looking for funding from vcs and
from peter teal and all these bad people well why couldn't we fund each other and fucking take over?
Why do we have to let these people do all this?
And it all goes back to greed.
It's all about greed.
Everyone is just too greedy for that.
You know, they won't do it.
Too much greed.
Too much greed in this space.
Otherwise, we could take over.
We've got enough people, guys.
Right now, I could fill this stage up
with maybe five or six million followers
as a collective for accounts.
Everyone raids, everyone supports,
everyone helps everyone.
But there's always those three or four people
out of 10 that won't,
that are here for their own personal gain
and just won't support.
There's always those people that won't back you financially
because they want to make the money the next day.
They can't wait six months.
They can't wait a year or two.
Versus these VCs who for four years, four fucking years, fam,
marketed Monad before making money.
Four fucking years pushed Monad down your throat,
made you see Monad everywhere. Monad, Monad, Monad. And four years later, raised 500 mil.
If people operated that way, that were not corporate and not a part of the establishment,
we would win, fam. We would win. We could do it ourselves. We don't need none of these people.
win fam we would win we could do it ourselves we don't need none of these people but unfortunately
you know everyone's greedy you know everyone's impatient you know no one wants to look at the
long game and that's that i just accepted it at this point that's quite interesting how you put
it out that i never even realized they'll shun you out these vcs these people they'll call you
realized they'll shun you out these vcs these people they'll call you crazy crackhead um and
then they'll just make a new character doing exactly what you're doing but just not to the
crazy extent that you are and it's like look i was i was saying the n-word and now look what he's
saying he's saying wiga white ass wiga is going hard as fuck. Like, he's leaning so close into it.
Yeah, it's interesting.
That's very interesting how Solana has picked and chose and almost, like, created these entities, these characters.
It's just the way it is, bro. And it's happening everywhere it's not just solana bro
that's another problem right polygon had their own characters and you know the fucked up thing
is all these people that you see right now on solana fucking everything up fucked it up on
polygon they fucked it up on arbitrum they fucked it up everywhere else. I would ask Alex, I'm like,
man, I don't understand
these companies. Why do they keep
working with people that keep fucking everything
The companies don't know better books.
That's what it comes down to. They don't understand.
As much as we understand.
Also, the people that you're referring to,
they put themselves out there. They're the ones reaching
out to these people. They're the ones reaching out to these people.
They're the ones going to these IRL events.
We don't do any of that.
We don't need to either. So that's the other. But if we did
do that, we started too late too.
Well, if we did do that, we would
just be an absolute
they wouldn't know what to do with themselves.
That's the only advantage they
have on us and it works. Meeting IRL,
showing face. That's the only advantage they have on us and it works. Meeting IRL, showing space.
That's it. And then once that's taken away, it's, you know, they're really fucked. But what I'll say
is, yeah, you're getting back to the whole greed thing. Whenever the spaces were like really
peeking out, you know, like profits was just endlessly like saying like, oh my God, look at
this person or their whole shit was bought it. I'm like, bro, none of that shit was botted.
But they just try to tear it down.
And then what happens when they tear it down?
They think if I tear this down, they're going to come to me.
No, they don't come to them.
And then what happens is they quit.
Like they get frustrated and quit.
So they do a lot of damage before they leave.
And then they just quit when they realize, oh shit, this is actually a lot of hard work.
The person I'm fucking criticizing works way fucking harder than I've ever worked a day in my life. But that's not before they go
trying to kick your ankles and shit. It's mad annoying, man. The thing they have against us,
is Zach XBT is paid by Paradigm. Kobe is paid by Paradigm. So they're paid to be bullish altogether.
You know what I mean? Not like they work. You say it all the time. No So they're paid to be bullish like all together. You know what I mean?
Not like they work.
You say it all the time.
Like they work.
No, they're all under the same umbrella.
That's the difference.
They're all funded by the same venture crypto capital.
Like what happens is Paradigm tried to work with me
several times and I just kept saying no.
Maybe I should have.
I don't know.
It's hard to say at this point.
It's like, should I just work with them?
I don't know. What do you think, to say at this point. It's like, should I just work with them? I don't know.
What do you think, books?
No, you would have made half the money that you made working with them because you would have got fucked.
You would have got used.
The only reason they wanted to work with you was to take from your audience, bro.
And they would have tipped from your audience and gave that audience,
like almost handed it on a silver platter to someone else,
to the same person that they created that
was like you in their eyes.
Well, you know, like... That's what I would...
They get, like Trev saying, like
they get pushed by the Solana Foundation.
Like, if you
think about it, bro. We start working with someone,
right? You got to look at it on a small scale, Alex.
Okay, we start working right now, right now.
A project reaches out to us.
Fairly decent project
right decent product you know they tell us oh we're doing this and that we've got all these
great things coming we're building this tech blah blah blah blah blah and you look at their telegram
it's dead there's 10 000 bots in the telegram no real users at all and all they want to do is build
community what happens next we go we shill it they dump it
then they tell us hey you know share this it's like a telegram link for our community to join in
so they can socially engineer everyone make us look like the bad guy pump it up a little bit
real people in and and fuck us and make us look bad everyone goes into this with some terrible, terrible intentions when they're in control.
That's why I like myself being in control. I want to launch a product, not a meme coin. I want to
launch a product so I'm in control. If it rugs, I rugged it. You understand? If it scams, I scammed
it, not someone else and I get blamed for it. I can be fully, fully held accountable,
fairly held accountable. You can be fairly held accountable when it's our own shit.
But when we're going and shilling other people's stuff, again, they're rugging it,
making us look bad, and then having the community turn on us to rug them again and again.
And that's what just keeps happening over and over at this scale.
And these corporations, they do the same exact thing.
Like, I feel like if you did work with Paradigm,
they would have some way somehow fucked you,
made you look bad,
and routed everyone towards Frank and the other guy.
As like the heroes that'll save them.
I don't think it would have panned out well.
It's really hard to say.
I just look at it now.
It's like they bought out so much influence
and they did so much wrongdoing with said influence
and nobody cares.
It's like, man, they really own the influence of crypto Twitter.
That ruined it.
Like ZachXBT has been caught up in so many different rugs and nobody cares.
But when he says something rugs, like everybody cares.
And it just tells me like they own like this botnet of some sort or everyone's a paid ambassador for that same VC.
Like they identified everyone in the space and just bought them out.
That's how I feel.
I just pinned something up above.
I remember I posted this.
And this was just a quick like you were saying.
Like they're picking and choosing.
And for one of them, I don't know if you guys know who Jason the Ween is.
I don't know if you guys know who Jason the Ween is.
He's like an Asian content creator, live streamer with all the other FaZe guys.
Anyways, he had an ex-girlfriend, and she had gotten sponsored by PumpFun.
Her name is Where's Yujin, and whenever you look this girl up, you can look up her on instagram twitter all social media platforms her biggest
one is tick tock with like i would say 50 000 followers maybe and she gets like 20 000 views
every video if that and this person was sworn by the pump fund marketing team by all the pump
fun kols that this was gonna make it It just turns up like all the rest,
bro. And it's just really bad. And I pin it up to the top. All the people that were supporting that
are the, or what's wrong with this entire economy, bro. Like I'm being completely honest,
not economy, like physical, but I'm on the internet, bro. Like crypto and specific pump
fund because pump fund had focused so much on these creators instead of worrying about the
traders on their platform to where they were almost blinded on how much they were actually
fucking over their organic community. And that's why I feel like there's not a comeback because
they had fucked over the core community of PumpFun for a chance at getting new people.
And they ruined the chance at getting new people
and they fucked over the co-audience.
So I just think it's fucked.
Yeah, it's like you needed,
if you wanted to make it work on PumpFun,
you needed, not only you needed to be good,
like you had to be really good at what you did.
You had to be a really good streamer. But you also needed backed by PumpFun, you needed, not only you needed to be good, like you had to be really good at what you did. You had to be a really good streamer, but you also needed backed by PumpFun.
Like you needed PumpFun pushing your stream.
You needed, and the people that got that support weren't the people that were really good at
what they do.
Exactly.
They were good at, those people were good at DMing other people, networking with other
people.
And that was it. They weren't good at streaming. It's like, for example, people. And that was it.
They weren't good at streaming.
It's like, for example, bag work.
Like bag work.
Those kids are not entertaining whatsoever.
They don't know how to make any content.
Their Instagrams aren't popping.
They did two events.
One event was getting slapped by Bradley Martin.
The other event was running on a field and getting tackled.
Two events that made somewhat decent clips went viral and that was it. Like
there's nothing else to be entertaining about these kids. And once you start doing crazy things
like that, whenever you do a spoonful of mustard, right? After running across the field and getting
slapped by Bradley Martin, it's not that crazy, right? You need to do something even crazier.
So that's where it's very difficult on the longevity of what they tried building.
But other than that, it's some fucking Mexican kid. It's some white kid, 19 year old, 18 year
old or 20, super entertaining, walking around on a stream. The only reason why their coin went as
high as it did is because they were working directly with pump fun and they had a pump bot um i i have a video i don't know how much i could say but
i don't go fuck i have a video because when i called pump fun for my for my deal the third
time when i when i was explaining it to them i had recorded it and it was with alan was was one
call sappy juju another call and vaso the other call
and when i when i was on a call with vaso or uh yeah vaso he had specifically said i was like yo
so i'm gonna make a new coin called trench blah blah is there any way you guys can help me
boost this coin on the main page of the platform and he's like oh yeah we can definitely do that
i was like how about like uh you know making it go up in price i i sort of said and he said
oh yeah we've done that before don't worry so they're not new it's not like new fucking
information everyone already assumes it.
Look, there's some sort of pump bot incorporated with pump fun
that gives more volume to the creators that they support.
I mean, it's just simple as that.
Like, these people pump bag work.
Let me check bag work for the day
because if it still has more than Mika's,
I don't know what fucking world they're living in.
They have 23K volume for the day.
And that's like the funniest thing ever
is when I see them say,
we're going to bring bag work back to all-time highs.
We're going to take a $400,000 coin
with $100,000 in liquidity and take this to
50 million market cap. Probably over half a million in liquidity. Are you fucking kidding
me? Are you joking? It's fucking delusional. That was the other part you needed to work
on PumpFun was the chart had to be had to work and it it was impossible
to make work in my opinion that that chart was impossible to make work and the other yeah just
i don't know how they could have really done it differently i mean they could have definitely
picked different streamers to to have on there like i think trev should have been a staple there
there's some other people i think that should have been really pushed hard by them that had the ability to attract the masses that
weren't, they just weren't for whatever reason. All that comes down to is they were not, those
people that I'm referring to, were not willing to do the IRL stuff, like meet the crypto nerds IRL
or go to the IRL meetups. That's what I noticed by going to Breakpoint,
I don't know, a few months ago.
It was like, wow.
The amount of people that would want to work with us
is like, I didn't expect that.
I was like, man, everyone wants to work with us.
Like everyone.
It's like, damn, dude.
Like, man.
I feel like if they focus on their traders,
if they focus on their traders more than creators, bro,
they would have kept their actual platform traders and their users.
So they just focus on creators and just fucked everyone over and said,
fuck you, traders.
That's true.
They were trying to, well,
all they're trying to do is like generate fees and they think in their head,
like the more launches, the more fees will generate.
Like you just, you know, you're just destroying your own,
like your own revenue stream.
Like the more creators there are,
like the less liquidity there is to go around for the traders.
So focusing on less launches.
And that's where I think BNB kind of like stole the spotlight
towards the end.
Like as meme coins were winding down,
BNB went like a different direction
and focused on pumping like just a few coins,
not a whole bunch of small pumps.
And it worked really well, in my opinion.
And I think that's the route they should go moving forward
is just focus on,
like that's what will bring traders.
Not a million,
not a million 500K toppers,
but like one or two 500 million topper.
Like that's what's going gonna bring in more traders than
and then all the traders for solana they're like like chill guy and fucking peanut those
were all those were the coins that brought in all the normies to be honest so you're right
the other thing the other the other thing is like that really pissed me off were
the stream coins that had
like obvious bundles that were
sitting in like 10 mil range.
It was just like, bro, this shit's not real
whatsoever. You guys are just making your own
platform look bad by having
this streamer that no one watches
at 10 mil.
Like we don't know that's pump fun
just propping this person. was bad dude it was bad
their selection was very poor
i'm not gonna i'm not gonna call out names it was just it was obvious from anyone that like even
views like this shit's not even viewable like who's but then again like i don't know like i'm
not i'm not you know i'm not watching content so i don't know. I'm not watching content, so I don't know.
Maybe it is viewable.
When you guys told me Clavicular, I was looking him up.
I was like, man, I can't watch this guy.
So it's just not my...
Maybe it's just me thing versus it's like...
Maybe that was the content that people do enjoy view.
I don't know.
Actually, the only content I've seen clavicular in was just
the mika thing and i wasn't impressed by him so maybe that's like a bad i don't know what what
what do you think of clavicular trav i think um the world is it's like i look at the world
like a slot machine and we're slowly turning society more and more into a slot machine.
And I'll give you an example.
Flashing lights to stimulate the human brain, right?
To make you look in that direction.
I think even the music nowadays, like too slimy.
I know you guys have no idea who that is.
But it's super ear rape, loud 808,
unlistenable music. And I think the reason why all these things are becoming popular
is because the dopamine, the attention span of people is becoming shortened year by year, right?
So we've had doom scrolling and TikTok, Instagram reels for a certain amount
of years by now. And I think after a certain amount of time, the lingo, the comedy just
becomes so degenerate. And like I said, it's like a slot machine. Does it have flashing bright
lights? Does it talk about sex, drugs, anger? Does it appeal to the human stimulant of the
natural brain, right? So it's not like, oh, this is Pokemon cards. Oh, I don't really like Pokemon
cards. It's sex. Everyone loves sex. They're going to make you fucking look. I think that's
what the internet is turning towards. And that's kind of what clavicular promotes and it's a very shortened
down watered down comedic act i don't know that's the best way i can explain it it's the internet is
turning into a very very fast-paced moving environment because we've all been on TikTok.
We've all been on Instagram for so long by now
to where it's becoming even faster.
Does that make sense, Alex?
Or no, am I just ranting?
No, it makes sense.
Okay, yeah.
I mean, that's how I think of it.
But I think he's a cool guy.
I think, you know, like the internet
is going to move this way or another.
Interesting character. I talked to him before, like the internet is going to move this way or another. Interesting character.
I talked to him before, right before he fucking blew up, bro.
I was, I texted him on Instagram and I was like, yo, like let's make content.
Help me look better.
It'll be really good content.
He was like, I'm down in Miami.
And I never ended up going because that's when he went over to Aiden Ross's place and
started doing the big old collabs, whatever.
But I think he's cool.
Very interesting person.
The internet is shifting into ways that we can never imagine.
I see crazy shit with AI being created.
All this shit.
It's just crazy.
You worked a little bit with Aiden Ross.
I've seen you on a couple of his streams, and I also saw you his like fight thingy. What do you think of working with Aiden Ross?
Well, if you get signed by Aiden Ross, you're set for life. I'll just say that much.
Aiden Ross is a goat. I love Aiden Ross. Me and him are actually from the same place, if you didn't
know that. Born and raised from the same place. Well, he wasn't born where I was born, but
he moved over there when I was like four, Woodlake, California. But I mean, yeah, dude,
I hope to work with Aiden Ross fucking more. Fuck. I mean, I mean, like he signed it. That's
what everyone's like. How is Clav paying for all the things that he's doing?
How is he getting out of jail?
He's funded by Peter Thiel.
Bro, he got signed by Aiden Ross.
Everyone knows who Aiden Ross is.
He's like top three content creator, live streamer in the world.
Outside Kai Snatt and iShowSpeed, he's up there.
So he got signed by him, and he got a whole bunch of like this security guard
that walks around with Clav is a whole bunch like the security guard that walks around
with clav is literally aiden ross's security guard like that goes to his brand risk fights
so he got the sign of doomerson but it's really good so yeah alex reach your pinpoint
yo youtube trev you man dude did you see that you see that clip? I want to crash out on Trev one day like fake.
Like, fuck you!
Fuck you!
You wish you were clavicular, you know,
when they come up and shit on them.
The clip went viral.
The clip went viral yesterday, Books.
I knew it was going to from that giddy person
who clipped the space with it.
I was like, this shit, they're going to force this thing
to go viral.
And then it did. And then, like like one of the first comments is like oh this the wonk guy would
rather blow my brains out than be in a space with shillin villain and i just opened the dms from the
guy and then he says follow me back or die like that was the last message i got from the guy never
begging never never answered any of his dms ever in my life. And it's all like, it's just like a one side.
It looks like an ex who like was obsessed with you and you just didn't
respond to them.
Like,
that's what it looks like in the DMs.
They all are.
That's all of them,
bro.
Straight up.
But then,
you know,
on the public timeline,
they act like they're Billy badass.
I'm like,
bro,
you're not fooling nobody.
So I don't,
none of these people.
They're clowns, man.
Absolute clowns.
Crazy, right, Alex?
That all works.
I'm about to say
this you.
They're called pick me's, Alex.
I'm about to say this you
and just post the fucking DMs
of just like a one.
Dude, books,
it's like,
you know how you get
those crazy people that DM you?
Like, just mad stuff?
That's one of these guys.
It's just like...
They're called pick-me's, bro.
What is a pick-me?
Like, pick me.
You understand?
Like, you know when you're a kid?
Pick me, pick me.
And then you cry when you don't get picked
or you don't get put on the team?
Pick me, pick me, and then you cry when you don't get picked or you don't get put on the team. Pick me.
You've got to pick them for a giveaway or they're your worst enemy.
You've got to pick them for whatever you're doing
or they're your worst enemy.
They never liked you to begin with.
Like, what the fuck is this Giddy account?
It's just like posting clips.
Is it just like hooked up to some botnet to go viral?
Trav, do you know who this Giddy account is?
No, they posted the spaces though.
I saw that, right?
Yeah, but then I'm like looking back and then five days ago,
they have like a tweet that has 17,000 likes
and it says the clip of India love is going viral. It's like they just
post viral clips. A clipper.
Yeah, it's probably a clipper.
I don't get
how this... They sit there
and do this all day.
I don't
get it. Even at times, they don't do anything.
They keep a small account, post a
clip, it gets no traction, they just take it,
make it their own, and that's that.
Game over.
Like, if I just sat there and posted clips all day,
like, they would get thousands of likes is what you're saying?
Like, I don't get how they break through this algorithm.
Correct.
And then Elon decides, fuck these Clippers.
I'm going to ruin the market.
And he bans all their accounts.
Same thing that happened on Instagram in the past.
It just doesn't make sense.
But I knew it.
As soon as they posted it, it was just like,
this clip's going to go viral because of who posted it.
They make a lot of money, Alex.
Clippers get sponsored by steak. They make a lot of money, Alex. Clippers get sponsored by Steak.
They make a lot of fucking money, Alex.
A lot.
I think all the Clippers are either sponsored by a casino or pump fund.
It's either a casino or pump fund, really.
Or maybe Polymarket sponsors them.
Roll the Steak.
And the Smart clippers Alex
save their money
they make like a whole
clipping farm
they create their own bots and everything
and it blows up
it's like really looperative bro
if you do it right
I tried bro
I tried with so many people in the community
to do this last year.
I just fucking felt it was going to be huge clipping.
And I tried.
A few people listened.
A few people didn't.
It is what it is.
Whose I do numbers?
They're talking shit.
They said Trev went quiet when y'all talked pick me's.
Do you know who this person is, Trev?
No, I don't know.
I'm not a pick me.
I mean, like, if anything, I'm like,
I'm trying to show people of the good things and good side of marketing.
There's one side of marketing that you can choose
that won't sell.
And then there's another side of marketing
that you can choose that
will oversell and it won't be more than great and what pump fun chose was the
bad side of marketing and I tried doing it nothing but to show them that what
they were doing was not the correct form of marketing and instead they kept on
running with it and I just kept on pointing out what they were doing was fucking wrong. I was never a pick-me.
You can call Trev a pick-me.
But a pick-me usually does nothing.
A pick-me usually is someone that wants to be picked for nothing.
They literally do nothing.
And they get mad when they don't get picked.
Trev not only made it like the crypto world for streaming the
irl world for streaming and for content like the right thing for pump fun to do was pick him
and they didn't they did not you know instead they but they did books, but wait, wait books. They did have Trev for a little bit.
Trevor, they giving you 40 K a month in the, no, the, in the very, very beginning. So I was the
first ever person signed by CCM, right? I was, I was the first ever creator to get a contract,
my pump fund. And this was in the beginning of 2025. And I would say on the second month because i only got sponsored one two months
the first month i got sponsored second month i got sponsored and then the third month is when i came
back to them and that's when the whole entire ccm meta had started popping off and um they were like
they essentially told me not enough people love you look at diddy bop everyone loves him look at his comments everyone
loves him doing tiktok dances not enough people love you and they said that i need to get a talent
agency pretty much and i was like all right well i was looking at a talent agencies and
as a solo creator you cannot personally reach out to a talent agency and then sponsor you like the
talent agency has to reach out to you
so i i learned that i was like yeah i'm not getting a fucking talent agency um and they
were just like wanting like a manager and like all these things out of me when i was already doing
well and they chose diddy pop i'm not sure if had a manager, if he had a caretaker or whatever.
But yeah, I don't know.
A lot of them pretend to.
Like, what they do is, like, they're the manager.
And they pretend they have a manager.
Like, they're the actual manager.
Yeah, no, yeah.
It wasn't even like they, like, really wanted me to have a manager or anything like that.
It was almost like them, like, putting me off in a way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was them giving me an excuse.
Well, he says, this person says, I'm new to Crypto World, but this Trev guy is a racist character and I like to play games too.
Yeah, you can say racist.
There's a lot of different ways that I can be promoting racist things on the internet.
The most racist things that I do is stereotypes,
which is eat watermelon and chicken and cover myself in Nutella here and there.
I haven't done that in a couple months, believe it or not.
But, yeah, racist, like, there's a lot more racist people on the internet.
Like, for example, Gypsy Crusader, Myron, who are actually out here promoting racist content.
I don't do anything racist, man. I just make comedy.
Would you rather be racist or gay-cist?
What is gay-cist?
Are you against gay people?
No, like a gay guy that's racist.
I'd rather be racist.
Oh, that's the worst, bro.
You don't know I want that.
Yeah, I'd rather just be racist.
I agree.
But then the guy has like the N-word. his pen tweet is the n-word like i'm like
what are you what are we talking about here yo we had illa and trev on the speaker panel
yesterday that was pretty interesting you guys kind of got into it there for a second trev
you know you know illa was our boy man you uh you uh you remember when he stopped fucking with
oh yeah is that that black guy that came up on the stream all the time?
I crashed out on him for being racist whenever the Franklin got hacked for the 17th time.
And he was...
No, you crashed out one day for some other reason.
I forget.
No, it was that.
A hundred percent it was that.
He was trying to make it a race thing and i lost my
fucking mind i was so pissed off i'm like dog this is a 17 this has nothing to do with the race
of franklin this has everything to do with this is the 17th time this guy's been hacked
like that's what it came down to and then i don't know they got out of it of control. But I'm glad he showed up yesterday.
You never crashed out like that, ever.
Dude, this was when I was in a deep cut.
I was actually cutting a lot of weight. You were on the edge, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, when I was cutting a lot.
And I was also...
Yeah, no, it was because I was in a cut.
Everything was getting to me.
But whenever you get down in severe weight loss,
you get so angry.
It's interesting.
But it is.
You get very fucking pissed off
whenever you go deep into a cut.
I don't know how people stay lean all year round.
I don't know how y'all do this.
I'll lose my fucking mind.
That's the only reason I don't stay lean year round
because I get so mad at people
when I'm like hungry is
like i'm insufferable to be around but that's what it was i i know what it was i was deep in a weight
cut and then then it was like it was like they were trying to make it a race thing i'm like bro
this has nothing to do with like franklin being black this is everything to do with franklin's
the 17th time he's got his account hacked
and they were trying to defend it.
Like, no, dude.
It's not a race thing.
I hate when people try to make it a race thing.
I hate that.
It's like,
you know who does it the most books?
Acid.
Every fucking time Acid makes it a race thing
when it's not a race thing at all.
Like you make it racist by bringing in race.
I think the same thing.
You know what I think, books?
The same thing when it comes to the Israel shit
and they bring in like Jewish stuff.
I don't know what it's called when you're trying to like use religion what is it called whenever
you're using religion i don't know i don't know like like racist right like a word like that i
don't know yeah victim mentality i really don't know i really don't know what the word is for it
is it even is there even a word they just make it up? I really don't know, bro.
Good question, though.
But I feel like that's whenever you've lost the argument when you've got to go to that.
Level.
Okay, it says.
Or extreme. Abrahamism.
No, no one ever said that before.
Abraham.
No, no, no, no.
I'm saying it wrong.
Abrahamic.
I've never heard of that in my life, Alex.
Like, I never heard of you.
Abraham is a motherfucker.
Are you looking at it as well yeah
well because I think
religion is kind of like a weak one to stand on
but like racist or sexist
like those ones are strong to stand on
like whenever
Andrew Tate says something you know
they capitulate oh that's sexist
they just
they don't have a good
they don't have a good answer for what he has to say it's like oh he's being sexist i'm like no
he's probably just keeping it real and you don't really have an answer but a lot of it a lot of
his stuff is sexist i will say that for anti-semitic is the word you were looking for i think but
that's like against just jewish right yeah yeah like they That's the only one that's really popular when it comes to religion.
It's the anti-Jew one.
That one's kind of made it a mainstream, but for the most part, not really.
I think when I lose an argument, I got to lean on something like that.
That one's directed at Jews, I'm pretty sure, but it's collective as a whole.
But it is directed at Jews.
Semitic? sure but it's like collective as a whole but it is directed at jews semitic yeah it means like i'm pretty sure it means like it is directed towards jews but it can also be like your
collective thing you want to know something crazy about that term what google what a semite is
like what an actual Semite.
Google the definition of Semite.
A Semite is a fucking Arab, bro.
So most of these people
that are saying, go, you're being anti-Semitic.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, they always hear that.
They're from Poland, Russia,
Germany. They're not even Semites.
So you're telling a Semite that they're being anti-Semitic.
And man, do they hate when someone debates with what I just said.
Woo!
Yo, Books, I just wanted to, I honestly just came up here because I wanted to say,
I heard you on a stage with some buddies the other, like, a couple weeks ago,
and you were, like, standing up for yourself.
A couple other guys came up for you.
You guys were talking about, like, privacy. Yeah, I think you know what standing up for yourself. A couple of other guys came up for you. You guys were talking about like...
Privacy.
I think you know what I'm talking about.
Some bulls didn't even know what they were talking about.
I just heard you speaking, bro.
You know what I'm talking about.
We don't even need to say it, but respect to you, bro.
I was standing up for yourself.
I listened to your whole thing.
I wish they wouldn't let me up,
but I wanted to back you up so bad, bro.
You guys are a bunch of clowns. That's why I don't go to other people's faces yeah i won't even talk about it but
respect to you bro for that because i listened to that whole thing and i was just like respect
the whole time wouldn't let me up to even to try to back you up if i could have but
a couple guys are up there and turn to back you up i'm sure you know what I'm talking about. That won't make a big thing of it.
Books and I can go to any crypto space and out-debate anyone.
That's a fact.
Now let's see you, bro.
But books can go even into political.
I can't do the political shit.
I think books knows what I'm talking about.
I don't really want to talk about it with everyone here.
It would add value to their space, but they can't help themselves.
That's a nerd, bro.
They actually can't help themselves.
Whenever we show up, it's like they got to turn it into a shill
or I got a bigger dick than these guys.
What the part is, I'm not even like rock the PMPs.
I just listen to you guys.
I've been listening to you guys for a few years.
Just listen and learn.
This is my first time even coming up But I just wanted to say like respect to books for what he did on that stage because
Not a lot of people will just go and stand up to guys like that
Like they don't even know what they're talking about
He knows what I'm talking about
And then also a dope thing too was that
Jakey shit, that shit just was comedy boys
You had that lock
I'm upset with books Jakey shit that shit is comedy boys you had that lock
I'm upset with books, you know, he had all this beef with them then all of a sudden he buried the hatchet I'm like, dude, I want to see a fight break out
I wanted to see a fight break out it would have to be fair it would have the day
The day will we I broke it. I'll be honest if it wasn't for me books would have hit Jakey
at that boxing event it would have happened
and then we would have probably
we would have probably gotten arrested
that was the only issue because we're in Dubai
but he would have definitely hit him
and he would have definitely knocked him out
maybe like looking
looking back maybe
we should have just let it happen
the main thing i wanted
to say was respecting books for a couple weeks ago on that other stage when everyone was kind of
he knows i'm talking about most people you probably don't even you do alex they're all just on a stage
yeah on uh like they were talking about whose stage i don't even know with no point in saying
his name books books what happened you talking about. Books, what happened?
You want to say it, Books?
Like those clown kids who were talking about some bullshit,
and then you left, and they were all just, like,
kicking everyone off the stage?
Is Books rugging or is it me?
He's not in speakers anymore.
But there was just a space.
I was there as well.
It was just a space. They were speaking about about privacy and book made the generally correct statement and they
just tried to find single situations where he was wrong you know how they always do book said
humans have 10 fingers and they were like oh i have a guy that has nine fingers
no point to talk about it i'll switch up the on the topic, but that's why I came up.
Respect e-books.
Big shit right there, because fuck those guys, man.
Books be getting in the weeds, man.
He be getting the thick of it.
He loves it, man.
I think Books would kill it as like a political figure.
I don't know why he doesn't do it do like the whole books for press
He stood up for a shit, bro. And I just listen to the hammer
It's good. They didn't even want to keep him up there because they just were getting found by
Books
books.
Books,
when it comes to political views,
is on the same level, if not better,
than Myron Gaines' political views.
Everyone likes
Myron Gaines for his political views.
Same goes with
Quentes. These guys,
books is
on the same level as knowledge and information
and he's gone down the rabbit hole with all this.
The only thing I'll say that Books really has on him,
he looks much more presentable than Nick Fuentes and Myron Gaines.
He looks presentable.
You hear me?
Yeah.
What happened?
What were we talking about?
Apparently, you went to a stage and they were were trying to talk shit, and then you wrecked
them.
Oh, bro.
It was such a good space in the beginning.
I went on a rant, talking about stuff, informative shit, good stuff.
First and foremost, I went in a space for getting to go on anonymous listeners.
You know what happens, Alex?
Oh, Books is down there.
Oh, my God.
Let's spam them with invites.
Yo, Books, sorry to interrupt you, but he joined the space and so did another fucking
200 people.
I went in, Alex went on stage, a great combo, went on a great rant.
They looked for some contradiction or something that they didn't like.
And it was about privacy coins.
And I said, like, most of these privacy coins
are not even really private
because no one uses that feature.
Like Zcash, the shield mode, right?
When you go use Zcash shield mode,
it still can be tracked
because there's such a small pool of people using it.
And the majority of people are just trading the coin.
They don't give a fuck about the privacy part.
They picked me apart on that.
I said that anyone that needs privacy tokens,
usually a drug dealer, a scammer, or a pedophile, you know, something to hide.
They fucking hated that.
Guys that probably never used a privacy coin before and things of that nature.
And we just went
back and forth and when they don't like the answers it's all you're a scammer you're ugly
you're fat and you know the insult started and i clowned all of them and clowned all of them
shit on all of them and left losers bro yeah that's what happens when i'm going to another
space books why don't you what can you not say who it was
can you DM me who it was
I don't know who they are
I don't know who they are
I don't even know who they are
I don't know their name
how did you find their space
I don't know I just went in a random space
I listened to like random spaces
on anonymous and I forgot to go anonymous
or someone sent me it
and said
these people are talking about you i forget alex i really don't remember bro i'm pretty sure it
was like james win james wins friends bro oh no i think so topic how about that uh
cavicular and mika thing that was pretty funny what do you what were your thoughts on that alex
there was no conversion rate from virality to pump fund and i don't know if that's a pump fund Mika thing that was pretty funny What were your thoughts on that Alex?
There was no conversion rate From virality to pump fun
And I don't know if that's a pump fun thing
Or if clavicular's virality's not real
I'm thinking it's a pump fun thing
I'm thinking it's a pump fun thing and not
I don't know though
I think it's a little bit of both
I think it's a little bit of both
I want to hear what you think
What was that old thing about. I want to hear what you think. What do you think, Bikas?
What was that old thing about?
I can't hear you.
You're really low, bro.
I can't really hear you.
Oh, shit.
Can you hear me now?
Mika had...
Okay, so let me put something in perspective real quick.
So Mika goes viral on the internet.
And then she also features one of the most traded top meme coin launches of the past week, right?
Has that founder on there and binders.
So like double whammy in my opinion.
And she doubled her viewership whenever she had just books on her live stream.
Like whenever she does stream live stream with books, it was double what she had yesterday.
So she went viral on the internet.
And she was tied to like, she was, was uh talking to like the the you know the
and still having books on her stream doubled her viewership so just like how much how much
is a calvicular shit real how bad is pump on viewership i don't think she took advantage of
of the opportunity bro what are you talking about?
What are you talking about? Bro, she made so many tweets about it.
Like, look at her page.
What do you mean?
She took full advantage of the event.
She did not try to, like, hide it in any way whatsoever.
She found the biggest crypto space she could find, this one.
And then she talked about it.
And then she posted about it.
And then she put it in her Pump Fun title.
Like, what else is she supposed to do, Big Cuz?
Interviews.
She took full advantage of the situation.
I don't think so.
I think they scared her.
She said it in her DMs that she's been getting threatened.
That this is some scary stuff.
This goes down to deep.
Yeah, right, dude.
Look at her tweets, Big Cuz.
Big Cuz, look at her.
Okay, look at her tweets. Her look at her. Okay. Look at her tweets
her whole timeline
But then but then she even said it like I'm gonna I'm gonna expose them on my pump on livestream, you know
Like she tried to draw on that out. There is no audience for
Bro, the problem. No, not even that. There is no real audience behind Clavicular.
It's all a botnet.
Botnet, yeah.
Bro, that's all I think about.
I'm like, no one cares about this whole fucking thing that broke the internet yesterday.
Like, nobody.
Like, nobody.
Zero.
I'm talking 0%.
What's the word?
Not crossover.
But there was 0%.
It was 0%. not crossover but there was zero percent it was zero percent it was like is this is this like a
pump fun thing or is this a clavicular is not real thing i think clavicular is not real dude right
what illa was saying yesterday was pretty correct in my opinion what did he say well he said like
the the clout doesn't match the following like something's not adding up with that guy
He only has a hundred and six K
Follow that's what I think like I think people can boost their shit. They bought their shit hard
They could be somewhat popping then they start
Hitting the bots hard and then next thing you know, they're really popping
But it's like half of them are bots within that helps you boost I think
What's and it's like half of them are bots, but then that helps you boost, I think. And it's like, you know, I got these Clipper accounts like Feared Buck.
I don't know which other ones.
A lot of them are paid by PumpFun.
Wow, I didn't know that.
You say Feared Buck is paid by PumpFun.
Oh, 100%.
They're not posting pump fun
They posted they have posted a lot of pump on content
They're not posting that shit because it goes viral on the internet
They're posting it because pump funds paying them to post it. You are probably so right, bro
I don't know though
the funniest time was whenever they posted um
was whenever they posted um they had vandalized the uh the hollywood sign and then um i think
They had vandalized the
feared buck put it out that's when i was like really dead giveaway oh this guy just takes paid
promo but takes it undisclosed he doesn't disclose i wanted to ask you alex i never really got to ask
you remember when jakey posted that video and it was a fake sydney sweeney thing was that do you
think sydney did that as a fake?
Or what was that about?
I didn't see the thing you're referring to.
Look, I don't want to hate on...
First of all, I'm going to make something real clear.
I'm not going to hate on Jakey.
For one, the dudes made it outside of crypto.
He went viral as a mime.
So you can't take that away from the guy.
So I'm not going to take anything away from him.
But I'm just pointing out... That's the incident i'm pointing out i'm not it's like
direct target towards the guy i think she i think he's you might not know what i'm talking about but
i got mad pretty much what happened was he posted me in the base now these other people they've never
gone viral outside the internet right they haven't gone viral outside of crypto like razzmar's never
gone viral outside of crypto Twitter
Sydney Sweeney like put a bunch of her bras or something on the Hollywood time
And they posted that it was it was fake that they did that didn't you see that big buzz or anyone?
What do you guys think about that? Did she really do that or no?
Nah, I don't know. I don't know the reference
I'm just saying for reference And and trev can probably clarify that these Clipper accounts are paid by PumpFun to post like PumpFun clips.
Who are some other ones, Trev, that you know?
I know you said Feared Buck.
And there was like Academics, I think, is another one that is a pretty big Clipper that posts frequently PumpFun content.
122.
It's like Academics has always been big on YouTube
He kind of does like
Anything to do that's big with rappers or anything like yeah on YouTube
So you think he's paid my phone do oh
Anytime these guys post a pump fund, outside of Tref's content,
anytime they post a pump fund content clip, it's not because it's a viral clip.
It's because they're being paid to do it.
Tref's the only one in pump fund.
Tref's the only one that's gone viral outside of pump fund.
No one else has done it. There was the one guy that went viral with the of pump fun no one else has done it but there
was the one guy that went viral with the dog but no one knows who that person is
um that was a strapped in a dog he went out he he broke out but no one knows who that is
like trev's right when he says what he says is 100 yeah but if someone like trev got the backing
that these people got like you know he was the one getting reposted by fear.
Like, not only is he breaking out, he's also getting the backing.
You probably get, like, a huge onboarding event of, like,
wow, what's this?
Like, oh, my God, probably.
Or better, at least, if not better.
Better.
Better conversion rate.
More people are going to get signed up to POM Fund.
Like, that's reality.
But, I mean, they are not smart business people. to pump fun. Like that's reality. But I mean, they don't,
they are not smart business people.
They don't,
they operate on person,
like their,
their personal beliefs and opinions.
Like these people didn't,
they,
they did not,
they did not know what it takes to make it a successful business. It was just right time,
right place.
And that's why you see it.
Like it's like a lack of,
of leadership, lack of business skills. Like they're just not picking the right time, right place. And that's why you see it. Like, it's like a lack of leadership, lack of business skills.
Like, they're just not picking the right person for the job.
You know, same thing.
Same thing will happen with Magic Eden.
It's like they blew up too quick, too fast.
And then they don't know how to run a sustainable business.
And all of a sudden, you know, they're doing all this dumb business.
It's like, hey, bro, this has nothing to do with your personal opinion on anything.
This business is like hey bro this has nothing to do with your personal opinion on anything this business is business like it's nothing about like hey i i think trev's a better
streamer than i see money there's nothing to do with my personal opinion like it's business business
like bro trev went viral outside the air outside of twitter crypto and i seem hasn't like that's
nothing that's like black and white there is no like opinion here. There's no gray area of what I'm saying.
It's what it is.
But not even that, Alex.
If we look like, again, me and you came up same exact time in the space.
In that first year and a half, we got 100,000 followers on X.
Doing spaces, making tweets, whatever.
In the last year and a half, we got the rest.
I got 40,000. You got 80, whatever. In the last year and a half, we got the rest. I got 40,000, you got
80,000.
I look at all these guys, bro, that have been
doing CCM for two years.
I see him being one of them, bro. He has
4,000 followers on X.
There's no turn. It's not
working.
Can you guys hear me?
And they're the ones
who, like, the foundation
are backing. It's like,
bro, what are you guys doing?
Like, I questioned, like, all Solana.
Like, what is the foundation doing?
I mean, for me and you, bro, like, I'm gonna tell you
right now, straight up,
we don't give them a reason to back us
as far as streaming goes. We don't fucking stream.
If we streamed and we
dedicated our life to doing it for
two weeks, not some bullshit
in my closet and you're in
the jail cell, but we actually put
some effort into it and streamed
I think that
I think we'd get back, bro, to be
fair
if we go to the IRL events
and talk to them, IRL, we would get back
I think we could be the biggest streamers
on Twitter at the moment,
and still, like, we'll reach out to PumpFun, like,
hey, we don't even need your fucking funding.
We just want the support of you.
Like, we don't want any funding, just the support.
And we still want to get it.
We gotta go with the cameras.
We gotta go with the cameras.
Like, we gotta go and stream.
I mean, we saw firsthand books.
We were the biggest live stream on Twitter.
At the moment, like, they came out with this, like,
hey, we're coming out with this creator, like, funding thing. funding thing we applied for it bro i put down the most minimal amount of funding
like just so it's like there like i was like like get us some cameras get us some microphones
and then we'll stream on pump fund bro they didn't even they didn't even send a response back books
it's like what the fuck type of business are you guys running you got like the most like just
they run off opinions and it just tells me like solana same got like the most like just they run off opinions
and it just tells me like solana same it's the same thing like they blew up too quick too fast
they don't know how to run like a sustainable business like it's not real leadership it's just
right time right place maybe whoever tells them who to work with like there's a big guy in the
picture that tells them you got to work with these people there's a big guy in the picture that says
hey you need to work with this guy you need to work with that guy you can't work with these people. There's a big guy in the picture that says, hey, you need to work with this guy.
You need to work with that guy. You can't work with that guy.
It sucks, Alex, but it's real.
I mean, it's just bad business.
It's just bad business.
It's like nothing to do with any opinions.
It's like,
yo, you're running a business. You're not running
a high school drama class, but that's're running a business. You're not running like a high, like a high school drama.
But that's what the problem is.
A lot of these people are just fucking like caught up in high school drama.
It's like, oh, like if Trev can onboard new users to your applications, he's the guy.
It has nothing to do with it.
Like, fuck your personal opinion.
It's like, this is the guy that can do it.
Like, there is no, it's like not, it's not can do it like um there's no it's like not
it's not up for debate either like it's not like oh well you know i seem has and it's okay i'm just
using i seem for an example i don't have anything with i like i met him i like him whatever but it
it's like it has nothing to do with this person like verse it's like this person's not even in
the same like they're they're not doing it like they're not they don't have the capabilities to
get outside of crypto trading like they just don't it's They don't have the capabilities to get outside of crypto trading.
They just don't.
It's like nothing against them.
They can keep on trying and trying
and maybe they will eventually figure it out,
but they don't have it figured out.
And now you're promoting a guy
that doesn't have it fucking figured out.
So not only is it not,
it's discrediting people like Trev
who can do it.
It's like, hang on a second, man.
I know what I'm capable of doing.
I've seen it with my own two eyes. It's like incredible. And then someone like, you know,
books or I or anyone else will see what else is like, oh man, fuck this shit. Like Azai,
same thing. Like, man, fuck this pump fund shit, man. This shit's all washed. It's like
all like insider ran. You know, don't tell me retail is going to win from this. Like,
don't feed me that shit. At one point they were, and then they sold out. Everyone just sells out. And that's what it comes
down to. Eventually some like somewhere down the road, they get so good and they just sell
out their whole brand. It's like, ah, you know what? I'm going to take this paycheck.
Pump fund definitely sold out to Solana as one point, you know, totally hated Elon and pump fun definitely sold out to solana as at one point you know totally hated alon and pump fun and
then eventually he fell in love with it like they they sold out pump on alon they all sold out
somewhere down the road and now it's the show it's fucking garbage
when you talk about streaming books would you you rather do desktop streaming or live streaming your daily life while you're moving around?
Would I rather desktop stream or IRL stream? You've got to do both, a healthy mix of both.
Right now, what's popping is IRL streaming.
I think we, so what we've done here,
me and Alex, for example,
is we built up a base, right?
We built up a base following
for desktop fucking speaking,
not even streaming.
And even with the streaming part,
like we got that just based off of
the desktop speaking.
But from there, if we go and look at, from there, if we go and look at,
from there, if we go and look at like this IRL world, and that's really what's popping off.
That's where people are going viral. You know, they're pulling up on each other with a camera
there at all times. They're going to the right spots with a camera there at all times.
If there's something going on in Romania, they're all there with cameras in Romania. If there's something going on in Miami, they're in Miami. If everyone's moving
to New York, they're moving to New York. If everyone's moving to Dubai, they're moving to
Dubai. They're moving, bro. They're investing their time. They're investing their money and
their energy into it. We're not. We're not. We're far from it. And I'll tell you right now, man,
plavicular. If you look at man plavicular if you look at
everything plavicular is everything for the plavicular has become i can tell you right now
confidently that with 250 000 that's all you need 250k and then the network and connections that we
already have bro we can make alex uh plavicular overnight. Overnight with money.
You need money.
You need a lot of money to do it.
You need money to get places.
You need money to get your team places.
You need money to get in the right place at the right time.
Like all this stuff is important.
You need money for Clippers.
You need money for a botnet.
You need all that.
And that $250K within one month,
again, Alex is famous.
Alex Clavicular.
I'm not trying to be a 20-year-old, dude.
The problem with these pump fund streamers is that 250K that they're taking from people,
they're going and buying bullshit with it.
They're getting their first Rolex.
They're getting their first car.
They're paying off their mom's mortgage.
They're doing all the wrong things that you do
when you get your hands on that, you know,
first large amount of money.
All the wrong things.
Every, bro, I wish to this day, man,
when I started touching real money,
I wish I didn't pay off my mom's mortgage.
I wish I didn't do all that dumb shit.
Why?
Because I hit rock bottom a year later.
I hit rock bottom a year later. I hit rock bottom
a year later and I regretted it. I could have not paid anything, not took care of everyone around me
for five years and got them tenfold what I got them and it wouldn't have even dented me.
You understand? But people don't know how to hold money. They get the money and immediately,
y'all, let me go gamble this. Let me go do this. Let me go do that. Oh my God. I can't believe the fact that I have this money. They don't know how to
hold it. They don't know how to save it. And they find themselves in a shitty situation. Even the
most frugal people on this app, right? The people that are into saving, are into holding money
and things of that nature. Once they get that big amount of money, it just might take two,
three years, but two, three years later, they're broke.
People that don't know how to behave when they get money.
They work super hard right now.
They get that dollar and they stop working
because they got that dollar.
Instead of doubling down to make it even more or tenfold,
they stop working.
And then they come back two years later
when they need the money again.
And it's not the same.
And the money don't come in the money again and it's not the same and the money
don't come in the same then it's mental health and i'm a spiritual guru now i don't work either
i needed that bro i'm sure everyone else in this space needed to hear that that's a big thing you
said for a lot of people that's huge bro and i didn't even think about it that way like obviously i did but like
wait you just said it is that's how it is bro a lot of people are probably listening right now
and they're like yep that's what we need to do never even thought about that because that is
my goal i'm like i want to pay off my mom's shit but you're right bro you're so right
pay off your mom's shit later when you have 10 times the amount of money.
Pay off her shit and upgrade it when you have more money.
Don't do it now when you're cooking with that money.
You know?
They even like budgeting your money, too.
You got to learn how, right?
Say you make a million dollars.
Look back.
How did I make this million?
What did I start off with?
What did I do?
I'll take out your working money. So with this million dollars, I know I need 250K to make at
least another million dollars. So I'm going to take this 250. This is my flipping money. This
is my working money. I'm going to take the other 750K. I'm going to stake half of it in Seoul.
Seoul's at 80 bucks. I'm going to stake that
Seoul. When it goes to 150, I'll be up a decent amount of money in rewards. And then I'm going
to go and spend the other half. Fine. You still got your working money, but people don't know
how to do that. They go, they make the million. Within one week, they lost half of it on stake.com.
Within the next week, they took the other half, lost it, chasing leverage trading and meme coins,
and they're broke again.
And it happens over and over and over in this space.
Yeah, I appreciate you saying that, bro, because I'm sure everyone else does too.
But, yo, let's get back to the streaming shit, yo.
It costs a lot of money, Alex.
Do you think that it just, like, PumpFun was destined to failure?
Like, let's say they made all the right moves. Do you think that just like PumpFun was destined to failure? Like, let's say they made all the right moves.
Do you think that just PumpFun was never going to make it anyways?
Yes.
So even if they had like the best streamers,
had the best capabilities of onboarding new users.
It should have never been a streaming platform, Alex.
We would have eventually ran out of just...
We would have just like, no matter how great the streamers were,
we would have eventually ran out of new users.
Like, that's what I think they're hoping.
Open sea of meme points, Alex.
I think that's maybe a scenario that would have played out as well.
It's like, even if they had like Trev, you know,
getting going viral on the internet and bringing in new users.
Eventually, he would have, like, eventually,
there would have been a point where like, okay,
every single fucking user on the internet has heard about pump funds.
I think every user had heard about NFTs at some point in time.
Like, it was a point in time everyone knew about NFTs.
Or if you were on the internet.
Like, you couldn't have avoided it if you were on the internet.
Like, we hit every nook and cranny.
I don't know.
I feel like pump fund missed a lot of nooks and crannies.
Like, that's the only thing I'll say is that they didn't.
They had more opportunity and they
fucking fucked it up.
And maybe they were just, you know what, maybe
Pumpon was just content. Maybe
they were like, you know what, we're good.
We got that far. And that's
fine too. It's like, you know what, we don't
give a fuck anymore. I think that may have
kicked in at some point.
They just don't give a fuck anymore. Do you may have kicked in at some point like they just don't give a
fuck anymore do you think alon still cares about i mean he he went silent for about three four
months like he just did not give a fuck yeah they were not doing this they don't give a
fuck and it took me a lot to realize that because i was working with them behind the scenes and i
was telling them look this is what needs to be fixed with your platform.
This is what you guys need to do, etc.
Trying to help them out.
And it never got done.
And I was thinking to myself, why aren't these people doing it?
Do they even care about their platform?
Are they just extracting?
Do they give up at this point?
And I think they've given up at this point.
A lot of people think the pivot to the content streaming was like his way of starting off
slow rug.
They gave up, brother.
They gave up.
It's not a slow rug, bro.
Yeah, like him giving up.
Right.
I'm going to tell you what it is.
It's fluff.
It's create as much fluff as possible and get bought out.
The problem with them is Pump Fun got too out of control and really fucked that up.
Got too racist, too anti-Ssemitic and that makes it not
favorable to investors and people that want to buy in and i think that that made them give up
trev let me ask you a question when you made that israel video with the with the flag and all that
stuff did they make you do that or kind of hint at you or something like that? Fuck no. Hell no.
Nothing to do with that?
Okay.
I've only done like one video with an Israel flag.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought at the time that they were like pushing for them because they supported that.
I remember they supported that.
They liked that for some reason, you know.
I know the reason. I remember they supported that. They liked that for some reason. I know the reason.
Fell off
the day they added streaming, Alex.
The day they added streaming,
the day they started talking about airdrops and all that.
You get people farming in and people in the future.
And you get the farmers that are max deploying fucking scam after scam after scam.
Token after token after token.
They just ruined it.
They oversaturated an unsaturated space with vaporware.
Is someone talking right now?
No, I can hear you fine. Alex, can you say something real quick?
Can't talk?
That motherfucker's full of shit.
But again, the day PumpFun added streaming is when everything started going down.
Streaming has been added on PumpFun since streaming is when everything started going downhill.
Streaming has been added on PumpFun since it came out, though.
It wasn't like they just added it and then it went bad.
I think when PumpFun came out is when it went downhill. Maybe the CCM stuff?
You know, it was whenever they overly...
