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GMI: LP Bonds Revolutionizing DeFi continued
Recorded: Sept. 21, 2025 Duration: 1:23:30Space Recording
Short Summary
The recent discussion highlighted the Shibarium security breach, emphasizing the community's resilience and proactive measures to enhance security and transparency. Participants expressed optimism about the future of crypto, focusing on the importance of ethical practices and collective responsibility in fostering growth and trust within the ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. you
man i think my freaking internet i had to move around here and I think it killed the space.
Sorry guys, we'll have to get everyone reconnected. Thank you. Hey, Gabby, can you hear me? Apologies, guys. I think the hotel that I'm at like automatically reconnected the internet and
killed the space. I'm sorry about that. You guys, um, well, it's okay.
We'll, we'll just let everyone get back up here and I don't know where it cut
off. So it was like in the middle of conversation. And then I noticed it's
connected. Um, queen. Hey queen, how are you?
I'm good. How are you? Tommy?
Good. Good to see you. Yeah yeah good to see you guys too i'm not sure where i was in the story but i can start over if you want me to
yeah yeah please um where did where i was was was i saying something and it cut off where was
it yeah you just cut out and so um i started talking about shibarium and then it cut
out at some point in that conversation okay okay yeah well might as well just pivot to you let
just give everyone a second to come in and uh again sorry about that guys it's uh no worries
i'm out and i wasn't yeah so let me get everyone up here. We'll pray.
If you guys would just throw a like or retweet on the space as well so we get people back in here.
And apologies for that. Thank you. Everybody, if you don't mind, as Jaime mentioned before, please retweet this phase. I think we only see about five retweets and there's more than five people in here.
So let's bring everybody back in because this is important information that we need to know as a community and be able to share this information across other communities as well and learn from the opportunities that will arise out of this.
So please retweet the space. Thank you. Thank you. you hey guys can you hear me mic check yes we can we can hear you okay that's great yep um
please make sure you repost the space there you go hey hey gabby by the way um again apologies
for the technical difficulties guys i uh yeah i'll make sure we have uh i wasn't planning
posting space we'll make sure we have it stable in the future but let me just ask you where did
it cut out with where i was explaining the bonds i'll probably just explain it on the next space in full but where did it cut
out yeah so to me where you were saying to where i heard that you cut out was that you were going
to explain to us the um the percentage of the bond yields and that you said it starts at 100
percent and then there'll be like tiered or something like that i think that's probably
where i feel like i'm i missed at that point because you did cut out okay okay cool well i'll just i'll just save it for the next space
then i'll explain it all then and you know it'll probably be closer to being live so so we can talk
about some other stuff so that sounds good i think as more and more people are coming back in tommy
that we can maybe get started with crypto queen if there's anything that she would like to put in the
in the nest or anything like that.
Any information.
I know I tried to throw a couple of things from Rugrat
that was in here too.
Probably there's some other posts
from the SHIB account itself
as well as CryptoQueen that's still free
as you're explaining CryptoQueen for people to read
in a succinct and concise order.
That would be so, so, so helpful. Thank you so
much, CryptoPlan, for being here. Yeah, thanks a lot for having me. Like I was saying, it's been
a tough week, I think, for everyone involved, especially, you know, people that are involved
in the Shibarium chain, but we are starting to get some answers and, you know, kind of gauge the impact of this.
What happened was a hacker infiltrated the Shabarian Bridge and stole around $3 million of assets from the community.
And I probably won't go into all the technical details unless you really want me to, Gabby.
But suffice it to say that, you know, there's a full investigation ongoing. We're
looking at different things that we, you know, have seen some early signs of weakness, such as
our validator setup, communication, transparency, etc. I think all the authorities are involved,
so I do believe, you know, what really happened will come out, but it's going to be, you know, it's going to take some time.
They're working on, you know, increasing security and the bridge is paused right now while, you know, they figure out the extent of the damage.
And I don't really have a timeline for when that will be open.
timeline for when that will be open so it's unfortunate for people who have assets on
So it's unfortunate for people who have assets on Shibarium.
shibarium you know you can pretty much transact as you want on shibarium but you can't bridge it
back to the east side and sell so um we've you know seen the hacker start um dumping some of
the tokens he has in his wallet so just watching the charts really closely and trying to support
the community as best we can.
Hey, Queen, which assets have been, I know there's,
didn't you give information on like which assets?
So the hacker has all the, he has them all.
And, but I know he can't move the canine or something, right?
What's this?
So there were 10 validators that were compromised
Out of 12 canine was one that was not compromised and they also had about
$700,000 in canine that was stolen but luckily our devs that acted quickly and blacklisted that wallet
The only one that was blacklisted I believe maybe believe. I think LTD later blacklisted.
So those are the two that were,
some of the contracts were renounced,
so they didn't have a blacklist function.
So the canine is locked in the hacker's wallet.
He can't sell it,
but we can't obviously get it back any easy way.
And the other tokens were Leash, Shib, Roar, Shifu, and maybe a couple other that are not coming to me. But he did start selling the Roar. We kind of wondered why he was holding that,
you know, those tokens in his wallet since they could be sold. And he did start selling the Roar
yesterday. So, you know, I'm sure it's not over yet. And we're just trying to, you know, stay calm and support each other through this.
But it's been really hard for the community.
What other assets can he sell?
So he has a shib.
He has leash, roar, shifu.
And there may be a couple others that I'm not thinking of right now,
but they're all Shibarium.
They're all assets that are available on the Shibarium bridge, the official bridge.
Got it.
And he has control of all those?
Yes, he has control of all those wallets.
And this validator keys as well.
So, you know, we're just not really sure how far this
goes. I know there... Didn't he ask for, I thought I saw a message that he asked for a 50 ETH bounty
and then someone offered it. So what he did... But he seemed like... Yeah, we offered, K-9 offered a
five ETH bounty for return of their funds, which, you know, he can't do anything with them. So why not take the 20,000, a little over 20,000 that we offered? But he said, no, 50 ETH was his offer.
And so we countered and said, you know, that was our final offer. And we haven't heard back since.
And then at the same time, or I guess a little after we put up our bounty,
And then at the same time, or I guess a little after we put up our bounty,
Shib put up a bounty of 50 ETH for the remaining assets that are unlocked.
And, you know, we haven't heard back.
And then about two days later, he started selling some of those assets.
So I know there's, you know, very slight chances in these situations that the bounties do work,
but we thought it was worth, you know, worth the attempt if there was
some way we could possibly get the funds back, especially the canine because, you know, he can't
do anything with those. But yeah, it's just, it's unfortunate for sure. So Cleen, is the time still
ticking? Because wasn't the offer from canine, it had some time limits or time frames on it.
the offer from K9, it had some time limits or time frames on it.
Yeah, it starts to decay at five days, which I believe we have one more day.
So yes, it will start decaying rapidly.
And I think it's a one-week, three-week offer on our original bounty.
So after three weeks, or could be four weeks, I'm sorry,
I don't have those details in
front of me. It's completely the offers off the table. So time is of the essence. If you could
do anything for us in this situation, it's to get the message out from K9 about the bounty
and just how important that is. And I'll try to pin that in the nest.
Thank you so much for that, Queen. And I'm not sure you weren't here earlier when Tommy said what a person could do.
And Tommy, you explained it better than I probably would be able to explain it, that
the person will sit on the assets for at least six months, wait till things quiet down and
then begin to sell, where this person has started to sell prior to six months.
So I'm having a cooling off period but you know there's
one token that they can't sell right which is canine because that's you know that's frozen
but that doesn't stop them from dumping the other ones so tommy could you tell us you know why would
somebody want to sit on some ask sit on assets for like six months and then kind of do they think
things will blow over or what's the point of someone really wanting to sell rapidly
yeah it's a it's a traditional thing with criminals, right?
Hang out till the coast is clear, right?
When the cops are out looking for you and everyone's got attention high, you know, that's
a stupid time to do things where you can make mistakes.
And criminals typically make mistakes.
It's quite common.
quite common they leave tracks not always but a lot of times um so when everyone's kind of alerted
They leave tracks, not always, but a lot of times.
it's not really wise to for them to do stuff then um again if they were smart or sophisticated they
would wait for you know just wait till the coast is clear right at least it doesn't like six months
isn't a hard number but like a couple weeks or a month or a couple months depending on probably the size of the hack right but um moving stuff around really quickly can you know when
people are kind of alerted after over time people will just as how it is they will kind of move on
from the situation and attention will shift and that's when they start when uh when a hacker would
start moving stuff and have less kind of eyes
looking at what they're doing.
So that would be the reason why.
But it's not something that all hackers do.
If it was like a really big hack,
like I'm talking like billions of dollars,
then they would be really smart to do that.
But anyway, yeah, it doesn't sound like...
We shouldn't expect...
Don't expect hackers to be like very sophisticated or like, oh, it doesn't sound like... We shouldn't expect... Don't expect hackers to be very sophisticated
or like, oh, these operational security...
You know, really good opsec.
Most of the time, it's not.
Most of the time, they're just lucky
or they know the systems well.
And man, there's a lot of little vulnerabilities, man.
You know?
And it just takes one little thing.
It just takes one little thing.
One little in to disrupt the system system that's all they need and that's what probably happened here it's one little
line or thing they could manipulate and it just opened all the doors so yeah i will say one other
interesting um event that happened at this time was that they tried seven times to sell the $700,000 in K9,
but they had an error in their code.
Because of our token tax, they wouldn't push it through.
And so about 30 seconds before they figured out the answer, they blacklisted K9, blacklisted them.
So kudos to our devs for being on top of it and protecting us the best that they can.
So hackers.
Yeah, I'm really happy to hear that at least the canine had that governance capability to protect itself.
Thank God for that.
Right.
I mean, man.
Right.
Yeah, that's one thing saved.
I've often thought, you know, what would have happened had it been on the energy chain?
Could this have been saved? And I'm sure to hear that. I've often thought, you know, what would have happened had it been on the energy chain? Could this have been saved?
And I'm sure it could have.
Yeah, none of those funds would have been on the energy chain.
Well, it would have just been blacklisted.
It wouldn't be able to bridge or get anywhere.
Right.
For anyone to bridge off our chain, that's why we have a three-day delay.
Because in case something like this happens, even if they got those assets, like you guys knew about it within hours.
Right.
Right? So probably sooner so as soon as you notify the community could do a governance vote and the
address is blacklisted would have no time to get those funds bridged off change chain or to or to
an exchange anything from energy chain going to a bridge or an exchange we have that delay so um
at least for the energy token and any major tokens, we would
encourage them to do the same thing. But those are the security protocols. But yeah, like right now,
those assets are still on the Shibarium chain. So if it was on the energy chain,
that wallet would be blacklisted. It can't do anything, could not do anything. And then the
next move would be to drain the assets off the wallet into a recovery wallet. So the hacker's
address is blacklisted, drained, and then it's in a recovery wallet. And then to, so the hacker's address is blacklisted, drained,
and then it's in a recovery wallet, and then it's sent back to where it needs to go.
That's how it works on energy.
Yeah, sometimes. I'm sorry.
No, no, go ahead. Go ahead, Clint, because I'll ask you a question.
I was just going to say, you know, some people get a little aggravated sometimes
about wait times and things, you know, governance votes and all that. But in situations where you've lost money, it's just a minor, you know, aggravation or just a
little speed bump when you could have all your funds back. So it's, yeah, it has made me think
about that quite a bit though, Tommy, just what could have been done on another chain or if we
had different practices.
Well, that is the, that is the age old thing, man.
It's a paradox. I've been playing around in my own mind.
I think that people most of the time seems like the value of the convenience,
right? Oh, all that. But like, then when Shay hits the fan,
then it's like, okay, yeah, well security.
And that's kind of where I got to a long time ago. I'm like, you know, it's the price we're paying.
Because you can actually, it's a peace of mind, too, above all.
Like, now that you've, now that the community is going through this,
it's really hard to, that's why we're always looking over our shoulders,
you know, because it's like, well, what else could be there?
What can happen tomorrow?
If this can happen, what else can happen?
And that lack of peace of mind is kind of expensive, in my opinion that's one of the reasons why i like i i the peace of mind man peace
of mind just like when people have a security system in their home how often do you actually
need a security system you know like you may not need it to work for years but it's that one time
something happens that it's worth it and it's the same thing with security here. It's like, you may not have anything happen for years, but you can sleep
well at night and you know that if something happens, you have a safeguard in place.
Right. And just rebuilding that trust that was broken, even if you get all the kinks worked out
and they say, okay, it's safe, proceed, the bridge opens back up. How much of your faith has been
shaken at that point to
where you don't know if you're comfortable investing. So I wanted to also piggyback off
of that as well as just saying, you know, is that, is this now a mechanism that can be put into place?
Because like you said, locked times and unlocked times, people are not patient. But if you lock
your stake, you know, on a centralized exchange depending on what
you're staking it could have a 25 day period unlock period so i would be comfortable with that
you know if you had to wait one two three four or five days you know at least it's not 25 to 30 days
before you get your money back for your that one piece of mind that you want to have so i guess
that would be the question now is you know know, Crypto Queen is, are they thinking, you know, of potentially implementing something like what Tommy has or even, you know,
working along with the energy to see how, you know, this mechanism could work for Shibarium as well?
Yeah, they haven't really spoken a lot about going forward. I think they're just still in,
you know, disaster recovery mode and the investigative part. I know they have done,
you know, disaster recovery mode and the investigative part.
I know they have done, you know, wallet security with rotating keys and different things, you
know, really looking into their validator setup and what the vulnerabilities were there.
But, yeah, I don't really know what the plans are.
You know, we're not privy to that information, but I'm sure when the reports come out, we'll
have a better understanding. I'll just throw my hat in there
uh i'll just say if they if they're serious about long-term security safeguards i will help advise
for free and help teach them how to do it so i'm i'm happy to help offer to do that if they're
serious about if serious about doing it but i will say something that I know, again, right up front, which I'll tell you guys,
is, and this is so important, people don't understand what decentralization is.
So you just have to be ready for that conversation.
You go in there and say, hey, you know, you can have these security mechanisms.
And the first thing you'll hear is, oh, that's not decentralized.
And what it really means is they don't know what decentralization means.
Okay, but you got to be kind of like ready for that be ready for that conversation and unfortunately a lot of the space just isn't ready for that conversation yet again that's where i go
to like maybe they need more pain but may hopefully this pain is enough for shabarium to realize that
hey you know what it is your responsibility as a blockchain to protect your users it is actually
believe it or not your responsibility you know if you're a competent blockchain in my opinion and there's very few
blockchains in fact i'm the only one who's created a blockchain that does that but i want to see more
blockchains do that i'd be happy to work with um happy to work and help them and guide them however
i can to help them implement the systems that are needed to prevent such an event happening in the future. And that
could be something that really is a fruitful way to rebuild trust, because there certainly
needs to be trust rebuilt. As Queen was saying, it's hard to feel comfortable, right? Because
if something happened, what other vulnerability is there? I don't know. You guys don't know.
Who knows? We don't even know. I think they don't even know what happened here. Right. I read the, I read his,
I read the writeup.
I think they don't know exactly how the hacker did that yet. Right.
Yeah. I mean I think some early findings that are coming out just from some of
the best blockchain experts are that, you know,
potentially North Korea had a role in it, but yeah,
the actual true. Oh my that oh my yeah those devs you got to
watch out for man and and something that me and mark are very careful about mark mark had a we
had a north priest have what what mark what did you have him do like you had him ask him like
speak korean or something and he couldn't i don't know mark did some like funny tests like yeah
there's those those guys are out there man And they're trying to get in and ingrained
and they put something in the code so they can screw you over. So yeah, that is a legitimate,
scary vulnerability. Right. For sure. Yeah. And I wanted to say, Tommy, I think I really
appreciate something that you said earlier, which was decentralization does not mean without some
type of governance. So, you know, I really do appreciate having that, you know,
that still there needs to be some type of governance to stop certain things,
whether it's voting and having that option to vote to stop, you know,
nefarious actors is very important.
And so decentralization does not mean you're operating without governance.
So I think that was a very key message takeaway.
But I know we have Rugrat up here too that might want to, you know,
contribute there to the conversation
because he's been doing a lot of write-ups himself
along with CryptoQueen.
And so I really do appreciate you being up here.
How are you, Rugrat?
Thank you for coming up.
Thank you for bringing me up.
Just wanted to say, you know,
Queen is definitely on point.
I just want to come up and say, you got to be vigilant.
Vigilant for your dreams and to protect your capital.
You got people that's out there, they're vigilant to get your capital.
And just want to say, you know, like in the real world, before we got into crypto, there's these forces that's out there that's preventing us to reach our heights.
It could be a bad relationship. It could be a bad boss. But you got those same energies
that's in crypto as well, that's out there to prevent you from reaching your financial dreams.
So you got to be vigilant when you write down your past
phrases, when you're doing your research on bridges, you got to be doing your own. When you
see that D-Y-O-R, that's what it means. Do your own research. So you won't see it spelled out all
the time. You will see it D-Y-O-R. You need to that in your dna as far as how you move in life
not just crypto do your own research on where you put in your money look around be aware
situational awareness that's it all comes together and just want to come up here man
it is so sad and situational awareness is being diversified. I'm so happy
for EMI. It's another blockchain. It's another opportunity. It's another place to put your
capital. But being diversified is another way of just having situational awareness and having
protections in place in case something like this happened. Because right now I can't reach over $100,000.
I'm locked out of it.
It's a bad feeling.
But you know what?
I got to march on.
I got to march on.
I diversified.
But you still got to see the pain in your family member's eyes.
Because I told them.
I was the one that was carrying that torch.
Should bury them.
But you know what?
We didn't put everything on should bury them.
That was the lesson that I learned from the last board run when I put money in projects and bam,
it failed.
So I didn't put all my bones. She said,
you will not put our bone that we've been saving over the last three years. You're going to have
to create a whole new bag. I created a whole new 70,000 bone bag this year because she said I
couldn't do it. And that's called checks and balances. That's called my Dow. The other
person voted that I couldn't do it. So I had to adhere to our, our protocol, our procedure.
I left our bone off with shibarium. I had to build an entire bag. That's having checks and
checks and balances in place because if it was just up to me i probably would have put all our
balances in place. Cause if it was just up to me, I probably would have put all our bone.
but just want to come up and say that you know just be vigilant in protecting your capital
you know what that you know thank you so much breck brad for you know giving your take on that
and you know just being a you know a bone holder or just using shibarium in general i want to go
back to crypto queen and talk about the community sentiment around this
incident and how, you know, how positive or negative it has been, whether it has been
in Telegram or whether it has been out here, you know, in the forefront, transparent.
How has community sentiment been?
I think it's mixed, Gabby.
You know, just from my experience with dealing with like the Celsius issues and stuff,
it's been such a blessing that we've had the team in Canine there to help lead us through this,
you know, their own community.
They've been transparent.
They've been, you know, giving us information in real time as they discover, you know,
things on the blockchain, ways that we can
protect ourselves, you know, just how to be smart. I think so many people, like Rograt said, you know,
we have this DYOR ethos in crypto, but so many new investors don't have a clue where to start
with the DYOR. You know, how to learn a blockchain, that's a skill that you develop over time.
are, you know, how to learn a blockchain. That's a skill that you develop over time.
You know, nobody was really looking at audits. Nobody was, you know, looking how these validators
were set up. So many of these things just come out, you know, after something like this has
happened. So, you know, I've learned some great lessons here. I'm trying, you know, my best to
teach a community how to do their own research, how to be smarter, you know, things to watch out for.
But it's just, you've got a mixed company in crypto.
You've got everyone from new to dev level, and it's just really hard to bridge that gap.
So I think everybody, you know, people are disappointed.
They're confused.
They're hurt.
Some are, you know, trying to stay positive.
And, you know, we need to do that because, you know, we don't have any control. All we can control is our emotions. You know, we're totally at the mercy of this guy. So, you know, I will just
shout out to K-9. They have been, you know, just such a wonderful beacon of hope throughout all this.
And, you know, we're so fortunate to have them. And I just want to say times like this,
the true character of a community comes out. And right now we are being tried and tested and
I'm actually loving what I'm seeing. You know, it's like a family. It's a family in the well, Chad.
It's a family in the overall community.
You know, we got some bickering.
We got some fighting.
We got some hurting.
We got some crying.
It's real people out here.
And that's the prayer I wanted or the message.
I want to reach out to the hacker.
I didn't want to come to him with anger.
Just wanted him to understand that there's real
people behind these wallets they're you know people retire me i'm praying for all of us
hey if i can just jump in roger i want to say something this is actually very important
i agree with the do your own research thing but it's something that you got to just be careful
about that let me explain why because it's it's it's admirable because you're saying you're taking
responsibility okay and i i think that's fantastic all about people taking responsibility but
again there are unknown unknowns there are things that you don't know you don't know you could not even do your own research on it and that's the point that
until you start demanding that the developers say hey you know what it's not my just my responsibility
to do my own research on something i don't even know anything about and nobody knows anything
about it is my expectation that my blockchain actually takes care of me and protects me
until you start demanding that of your developers,
you ain't going to get a change.
And that's the point.
A very, very important point I'm going to make there.
And that's what the space needs to happen.
So I really encourage you guys to go to the developers
and demand that they don't let this happen again
because it can be done.
We are living proof.
I've been doing it seven years.
It can be done.
Hackers don't steal from my community, man.
They try.
They don't get away with it.
They've tried.
They've tried.
They can't get away with it.
It's not like an idea.
It's not a possibility.
It's a reality.
And as soon as you guys start demanding that of your developers, that's when the change happens.
Until you demand it, they will make every excuse.
I'm not saying about them specifically. I'm talking about anybody. Anybody. They're not going to take
it seriously until you're like, no, this is your responsibility. I just want to really emphasize
that because that's what needs to happen in the space. Can I just say as far as K9, one of the
great things about this project, security is part of their DNAna we didn't even have to demand it was part of the
rollout it's always been part of the communication before the bone crusher came out it was all about
security security security and you know who's doing the security how it's being done i gotta say
just how they led you you know, it does.
It makes you, again, the way that K-9 leads,
it makes you go ask questions about your other projects.
Hey, I see this is done over here.
I'm wondering why we don't do that over here.
But yeah, I totally agree with you, Tommy.
Thank you for that.
And, you know, there's another thing.
Sometimes we have in this space this mantra about, you know everything with no expectation you know tommy so you know expect nothing do everything
expect you know don't expect anything in return but that's the minimum right that we can ask of
that we expect that our blockchain will protect us and we can demand you know be able to demand
that demanded in not a condescending or evil way, but to say, you know, enough is enough.
We need to do better. But, you know, I will say this. If we want mass adoption, we can't.
We can't have things like this, you know, because as we might be tried and tested when it comes to
our money in some cultures, excuse my French, but that's an ass whooping to play with my money.
So, you know, I can't, you know, I'm not trying to be mean on a Sunday, Lord, forgive me.
But I don't like the Lord comes with thunder, too.
He does, but also gives us a mind to think. Right.
So certain people will not invest if all you see are, you know, people getting scammed or rugged or hacked.
That's not encouraging. And then, you know, I've even introduced people to this chain
as well, you know, and so therefore I feel like it's my responsibility as I bring people in to
help protect them as well. So that's the least we can do is that ask that we can expect our
blockchain to protect us and stand in expectation of that. So that's important because I think
sometimes we, you know, you do have regulators who are out here on these in this Twitterverse and they're watching, too.
So, I mean, that could also, depending on how what how and what we say could also trigger a regulator to say we need stringent, more stringent regulations around DeFi.
See, we want to be careful how we're presenting ourselves.
And unfortunately, I know we say, you know, this is freedom of speech and do this and do that. There's still some decorum that has to happen in these listening. The spaces are recorded. So I think we have to
operate very, very cautiously. I'm cautiously optimistic because I believe we're getting there,
but it's going to take some time. And I'm grateful that, you know, K-9 is doing a lot of the
investigation, have been putting it out there, but we look a little chaotic and unhinged. And so we
need to be brought back to reality. And we don't want it
to be done with regulators, then we need to help, you know, with fewer regulations, then we need to
learn how to help govern ourselves. And like you said before, DeFi does not mean without some type
of governance, right? So that's important. And to convey that so that anyone who is in a regulatory body can see that we're operating with integrity and we can be trusted because right now among community probably as well as regulators, I have to be honest with you. I'd like, look, they need some more regulations.
Look how they're acting.
Look what they're doing.
This is not okay.
And we can't have mass adoption.
We have to be able to protect people.
There's reasons why Dodd-Frank is established.
So, yeah, Crypto Queen, I'll stop there.
I'll land my plane and pass the mic.
Yeah, thanks for saying that, Gabby.
You're so right. And, you know,
it's really sad that we've gotten to a place in crypto where we almost just say, well, you know,
crap happens. We, you know, lost money and we don't look for accountability. And, you know,
this is something that we started doing several months ago is when we started noticing issues is asking for transparency, asking for communication from the Shibio team. We haven't had a space in like nine months or a year,
a community space where they can voice concerns. And when you do have a concern,
you're immediately labeled a fudder or a shadow cat, et cetera, and banned from the community.
So, you know, you see that and obviously you realize
that you're in a cult, number one. And number two, that, you know, why is there this secrecy?
Why is this veil of secrecy here? You know, what is being hidden that we're not allowed to ask
simple questions? And so that, you know, put up a lot of red flags for me. But, you know,
we're trying to speak out. We're trying to ask those questions, Tommy. I'm so glad you said that because, you know, we do have a lot of community
members and leaders that are blaming us for not being more protective of our own bags. But you're
right. It's the chain's responsibility. They sold us a package that was decentralized and secure,
and it was not. So, you know, we have every right to ask those questions because it's our money at stake.
I appreciate that, Queen. I'm sure maybe Rugrat or Mark or Tommy would like to interject there.
If not, we do have a speaker, someone who would like to come up and speak.
I really do appreciate everyone in this space being able to, you know, voice their opinions and also get facts from what's happening so that this can be prevented.
And also those who are already doing it and doing it well can help others and teach others to do it just as well as they do it.
So, Tommy, thank you for offering to even help K9.
Everybody's working in, or just, you know, help the sheep community in general.
We all thank you for what you're doing.
But I do see we have Damaya.
Hi, Damaya.
How are you?
Welcome.
Hey, can I just jump in real quick?
Sorry, I just want to say, I was away from my phone.
I wanted to say, Queen, thank you for that. And also, please do don't let them tell you that it's not their responsibility because that's the point. You guys have to stand up for yourselves and tell them it I take responsibility and so should any self-respecting blockchain.
So don't accept that.
Don't accept them pushing back to you and telling them it's not their responsibility because it is.
So I just wanted to say that.
Thank you for saying that.
And thank you again, Queen, for that.
And I want to thank you, Tommy, as well.
I wanted to go over to Damaya.
Please correct me if I'm saying your name wrong wrong thank you for coming up and wanting to speak hey gabby hey crypto queen
hello energy pleasure meeting you hey there two days in a row good to see you again right i was
like i was like i can talk to the queen two days in a row yes for sure so i was looking at some of
the energy's doing i'm gonna try to follow energy because
because you know uh he was talking about the fact that like if you know if you do have issues with
crypto he can help to get it back like that's super fire because i think that's where and my
clue that our people are kind of nervous to dive into this piece is because we've we've heard the
horror stories right i've heard way more horror stories than I
have the positive. So I'm not even going to lie. I'm hearing a lot more positive things now,
but the first things I heard was horror stories. So I'm just like, wait, what happens? They took
all the money? Like when you, when you, when you are in that space and that's what you're hearing,
in that space and that's what you're hearing you're freaking out and all the positive things
that can happen you're like that's great but then i then i also heard that people lost millions of
dollars so you so it's a matter of really getting into communities like this where people are are
saying you know what yes there are negative things but that's why we're trying to get it so we can regulate it so that people can actually build wealth off of this. You know what I'm saying?
Because people are like, well, have you done crypto yet? I was like, I'm like, no, because I'm terrified
because of what I've heard and the things that I've had. I'm definitely thinking about more of it now,
but it's been me coming to these spaces that's helped me to be like okay these are good people
i can actually trust what they're saying now i'm considering actually when to get into this
but yeah at first glance if you're watching social media if you're listening to the news
you're like wait what just happened and how much did they lose? And what do you mean you lost your entire savings because you bought one thing
or, you know, your wallet was gone.
Like, all these things are incredibly scary, you know?
So thank you all for providing a space where people can actually learn about
crypto and NFTs, the whole other thing that people were freaking out about because there have,
because there have been so many scams.
So it's about finding those communities that are thriving,
but aren't just like bragging because they're thriving,
they're thriving,
but they're wanting to help people to change their lives.
So just wanted to say that.
Thank you so much. Demaya, because that's one of the concerns. People don't want to come into
the space because of all the bad press, all the bad news. And if you come into the space and you're
new, you're trying to figure out who should you follow. And like you said, Demaya, because you've
seen Crypto Queen, you've seen myself, you've seen Yamda, that coming into the space, following
certain people really does help because you really don't know who to follow.
And I don't even know if you could even maybe even just share your experience. Like,
when you came into this space, did you, you know, did you follow a certain person? Did you follow
certain spaces that helped you learn a little bit more? Did you feel like you got scammed
because you thought you were following somebody that was trustworthy that ended up not being trustworthy.
So the good thing with the fact is like, when I started getting into spaces,
it was just like, it wasn't even next to the crypto spaces.
I really didn't start getting into any of the crypto spaces
until I started following Yanda
and coming to and tend to see like what she was doing.
But, you know, and that's the thing what
most people don't understand is that it's about going with people that are doing positive things
outside of social media that you connect with and this that's where the whole building the community
comes into right it's not just about who has the most followers. It's about literally people who you are watching building community in real time.
Like I'm watching the genius from build in real time.
I've watched you, Gabby.
I've watched Crystal Queen.
I've watched, and that's specifically, and I'm just like, why is there not 100,000 people here?
Because this is so valuable.
And anytime I've been on, whether it be here, Clubhouse, that or whatever, it's about building value.
No matter who you are following, no matter what platform, it is about building value.
It is about building value.
What can you bring to the table?
What can you do with what your actions are outside of these spaces?
What are you doing in real life?
That's why if y'all ain't following Gabby, she's doing some really dope stuff.
She has some really amazing conferences that are coming up.
And always doing some amazing events.
I make sure y'all follow her and get in touch with her in real life because she's doing the daggone thing.
You feel me?
But it's about supporting one another and i think that's what i i need people to understand
this is where social media can really help is because you're able to connect with people
that are genuine and you can hear a lot of that in their voices you can see a lot of that when
it comes to this platform and what they're posting about.
What are they promoting will tell you a lot about who they are.
I really appreciate that.
And I also want to toss it over to Crypto Queen because Crypto Queen has also come in real time.
She does conferences as well, you know, coming out to support ShibaFest.
And so we are, you know, getting the boots on the
ground. And CryptoClean, I think you've talked about it before, you know, we don't want the
echo chambers right here in online, because we're all in echo chambers sometimes. Because we know,
I mean, to our certain levels of which we do know, but it's the people that aren't here. You know,
we can sometimes even go to conferences,
it can still be somewhat of an echo chamber, because it's people who are already aware.
But imagine the millions of people who are not on social media, I can't tell you how many people
I've met that tell me they're not on social media at all, but still the digital revolution is going
to happen, whether they're here or not. It's going to happen. So how
do we tap into those people? And Crypto Queen, you've said it many times, we're in an echo
chamber. We need to stop sounding like an echo chamber. Demire's right. How do we stop sounding
like an echo chamber besides getting off online, really going to go into our communities and really
maybe having a meetup, having a coffee, having a simple, casual conversation.
Simple.
It's very easy.
It's like you're going in the grocery store.
But Crypto Queen, I want to toss the mic over to you because you've talked about it.
We cannot be an echo chamber.
And sometimes that's what we sound like.
Yeah, we do.
Even in these spaces, sometimes it's the same faces over and over again.
And Gabby, I think you're doing an excellent job with boots on the ground out there. I saw your post yesterday and, you know, you're doing just amazing work around meeting people and actually, you know, explaining things to them on a basic level and, you know, getting them interested or at least engaging their interest in blockchain. So, so great job there. And yes,
I love to go to conferences. Of course, it's, you know, crypto people that usually have a good understanding, but, you know, there are occasionally some that, that, you know, want to learn more.
Last year when I was at ETH Toronto, I had a woman come to the table and she said, you know,
she heard me speak about women's topics on the panel and she said, hey, you know, what,
how do I get started?
Can you help me get started?
And so we just sat together and helped her do that.
And same thing at ShibaFest last year.
We walked around and tried to kind of canvas the scene and see what the education level was there.
And we met very few people who knew what crypto was.
And when we finally said,
do you know what Bitcoin is? Then some of them had a little light bulb go off. Now,
oh, yes, I've heard about Bitcoin. But, you know, they really didn't know anything past that,
just what they've heard in the news or read online. So we have a long way to go. I think,
you know, we think that, you know, our whole world revolves around crypto at this point,
and sometimes it does. But out there, you know, out there world revolves around crypto at this point. And sometimes it does, but out there, you know,
out there in the real world, we're so early.
There are so many people who have a knowledge gap.
So meeting them where they are, you know,
not assuming that they know everything and just, you know,
kind of starting at a basic level and not trying to sell them on anything,
but just provide that education is so important.
Can you explain what Meme what meme coins are real quick because
i think because like to be quite honest when it comes to like the complete fear that's the biggest
piece is what what people have seen when it comes to the meme coins of how it's like it went up
whatever millions and then you know it pumped in dumps things this is where people are terrified because that's the
thing that they're seeing the most can you can you kind of get into very briefly of course obviously
like about meme coins and like are some okay to do do or do avoid them like this because i know
i know for a fact that that's where like the biggest concern is because you're seeing, oh, they put in, somebody lost their whole freaking wallet because they put into the wrong meme coin.
Exactly. And I hate to see people that's their first experience in crypto.
They're onboarded through, you know, a celebrity token or some other kind of meme coin.
And, you know, they get rugged in the first few minutes and they never come back to the space.
And so we have to do a better job as a community
and as crypto in general of making this a safer place.
You know, when I first got in in 20,
you know, you could hold a meme coin for months,
you know, even years, I would say,
and kind of expect that it would hold its price
to some degree.
But we're seeing now with this gambling, this casino mentality here with, you know, Pump Fun and others
that it's like seconds, you have seconds to get in and out. And some of these tokens are so heavily
bundled and sold to these, you know, marketing, these promoters that you don't have a chance.
And the bots are, they are smarter than any trader out there.
So you're kind of set up to fail.
So I would, just my advice and what I do personally is, you know, when I'm looking at tokens,
I just really study the tokenomics, run them through token sniffer to make sure everything,
you know, is legit as possible.
as possible. And then, you know, look for the utility. I've just completely stopped buying
And then, you know, look for the utility.
memes or anything that's promoted by a celebrity or politician, et cetera. And just, you know,
focus on those top projects that you see on CoinMarketCap and just read about them, learn
about them. You know, what appeals to you as far as their utility and, you know, study the
tokenomics and you have a better chance of being successful. It's And, you know, study the tokenomics and you have a better
chance of being successful. It's no, you know, there's no guarantee, of course, but I think it's
a lot better than gambling on the next new viral meme that comes out. You can make a lot of money
there. I mean, don't get me wrong. There are a lot of people who've turned $10 into, you know,
$100,000 overnight, but I think those are the exceptions and most people end up getting
wrecked. Demaya, I'm not sure. Did that answer your question?
It definitely did, you know, because like I said, that's where I know that people have
had the biggest fears, you know, when it comes to that. And I think when, and the different tools that you just described in terms of how to check, but again, when it comes to that and i think what and and the different tools
that you just described in terms of how to how to check but again this is why i go back to this is
why it's important to follow the right people because they're going to give you information
as opposed to being like buy my course and figure it out because there are people that are doing
that as well so like when you're following the right people they, they'll give you the information because they've experienced all of this before.
They've done the pitfalls and all that kind of stuff.
So this is why we always say knowledge is power.
And following the right person when it comes to investing in crypto and all of that is what is going to help you to be able to
succeed falling the wrong people will literally get you broke so yeah yeah that's so important i
know um we've taken up the space and maybe crypto clean uh and crypto chicks maybe that should be a
conversation that we have you know for you know an open forum for ladies, because we do have crypto chicks spaces normally on either like a Monday or Wednesday or Tuesday, you know, whichever way we decide to bring up that conversation and that topic and that area.
Because I know this is a GMI space, but I know Tommy's ears are ringing with happiness that we're talking about safety because he's been preaching safety for a very, very, very long time. And just to get your
experience, Demaya, in reference to people being scared, you know, of, you know, being terrified
of meme tokens or being scared and terrified of DeFi or having to hold your keys and not figuring
out where you left them, you know, can be a terrifying experience. So those are very important,
but I wanted to kind of rewind
and kind of reset the room
to see if people were retweeting the space.
I know this is our second opening,
but I know we're probably getting closer
and closer to closing,
but I wanted to pass it back over to Tommy and Mark
because I know you wanted to talk about safety
and how important it is.
And now that you see that Demaya
has shared her experience with coming in here and saying, you know what, I really didn't engage until,
you know, I saw Yanda Space, which is about real world assets. It wasn't necessarily about crypto
per se at that point that I could remember, you know, following her spaces, even though she's
been in crypto for a while, but now following Crypto Queen and myself, she gets to come to
these spaces and listen, you know, and so honing in on that safety
portion is so important. So she knows she can follow energy because she feels safe, you know,
so it's storytelling like this that makes all the difference. So I wanted to pass it back over to
you, Tommy, you know, now that you've heard Demaya's experience, Demaya's experience,
and being able to follow us and now following you because she wants to follow somebody who's safe,
you know, and not get wrecked, you know?
So I just kind of want to toss back to you and Mark for any comments or anything that you all have.
Yeah, what I'll say to that is, you know, I think if you go to a really high level,
if you approach from a really high level, what it really ultimately comes down to is culture.
high level what it really ultimately comes down to is culture um and that's really the change that
i would like to see in the space is again culture and expectations you know again there haven't been
enough people in this space demanding that security should be the forefront and again
unfortunately it doesn't really come into play too much until bad stuff happens and you know the way
the space has evolved over the years is it's
sadly it's just got worse and worse i mean the word crime became a meta i believe it was this
year um the crime is legal what is there's a new term recently the crime i don't know crime season
uh crime season there's even another one like the legal crime whatever like uh do i don't know
there's like even a new one that just came out like the past two weeks about like um doing i don't know man
it's like it has to do with the i think like the cz coin i saw it on that one it's like the
i don't know because it's like um but anyway i guess i guess just to uh to make the point, it's that until we as a community come together and start upholding ethical standards and expecting ethical standards and all that sort of stuff, what you're going to get is exactly what Queen was talking about.
Yeah, the meme coins.
Look where they've spiraled to.
Holding times within seconds.
It's a joke.
What is this?
I mean, essentially, it's a joke what is this i mean essentially
it's just a competition to steal money from each other and the best thief wins what what is this
what is this there's no there's nothing there let's just be let's just be real about it i think
that's the most that's like the great starting point like be real about the situation it's theft
okay it's it's and you can hear you want to think about something think
about this if you see someone on the street and you're like you know what i could steal their phone
out of their hand and get away with it does that make it right you know if you can break into
someone's house and steal their money can is that is that right because you were able to succeed
successfully do that so is that acceptable because that's really where it's got to
you know oh i can do a rug pull and make 100 grand ha like cool well you can go and like
fucking put a gun to someone's head and shoot them too is that also cool like this is literally the
state of the space i don't mean to be crass about it but like let's be real i don't know how people
and and it's i it's kind of like uh I know I'm kind of being very raw about it,
but that's real.
I was literally thinking about the other, the other day.
It's like, people are numb and celebrate, even celebrate like, Hey, I got away with
it, man.
Yeah.
I made, check this out guys.
I fucking got in a meme point and I'm out five seconds later and I made 200 bucks.
It's like, yeah, you basically just stole from somebody, you know, it's like, uh, and
that's, this is the problem this is
what all the problems really come down to is that culture has become accepted and sadly very common
in the space so i would just say be very careful in the space because not only is that common it's
accepted really like you guys really think about that really think about that like this is literally
how people think in the space.
Like if they can get away with it,
if they can do a rug pull
and they make a million dollars in their mind,
that then they won, they succeeded.
They helped themselves.
They don't care about the cost to other people, right?
It goes back to treat people how you want to be treated,
but the space is so lost in the current state, man.
It's so lost. And we, if you really want to see it change, you have to be that change. Go for it,
Queen. I was just going to say, you know what, like you said, Tommy, what we're missing is
integrity. We lost it somewhere along the way. And I know you didn't come into crypto for this
type of culture and I sure didn't. And, you know, trying to do what little we can to change the
culture, to provide that education. But, you know, there's also what little we can to change the culture, to provide that education.
But, you know, there's also you're competing against bag bias. Just, you know, people pumping
their bags. They don't want you to stir up any fuss because it hurts their bags. But, you know,
I'm here to say if nothing changes, if you don't speak up, then nothing changes. And you're going
to continue to get what you've always got. And that's insanity. So, you know, just be that person that doesn't stay silent when you see things or you have
concerns, ask those questions, you know, you should be given transparency as an investor.
And, you know, yeah, I hope this space changes because it's definitely ugly.
Yeah. You know, if I may just add to that, you know, and this becomes a spiritual conversation even, you know.
I recently listened to the book of Enoch, which is really cool.
It's one of the books, not in the Bible, but a really cool one.
And there's a big theme in that book, the word righteousness repeated over and over again.
I don't know how
many times in there, like 200 times righteousness, you know, and that is what it's about. You know,
it's about being righteous and being righteous doesn't mean that you're doing it for popularity.
It doesn't mean you're doing it for anything other than doing the right thing, you know?
And I think that's what it's about. It's about being righteous. So stand up for righteousness.
The world needs that.
It needs more righteous people.
We badly need it.
And the righteous should stand up
and should hold their head high
and not accept to be ignored or overlooked or whatever.
And you know what?
It's a testament.
I'll tell you guys,
building energy with everything we've built, you would think that we should be a multi-billion
dollar blockchain, right? But it's a testament to A, the state of the world that this has gone
so underlooked for so long. And that's also a reflection of who I am and what I'm telling you
to that because that's what I want to see in you guys. Because true righteousness is about doing the right thing, even if you get no recognition for it.
That's what true righteousness is.
And that's what it's about.
I don't care what the status is.
I'm going to do the right thing.
That's what it's about.
And that's so true.
That goes back to your integrity.
But I wanted to touch on one thing that you all said.
And I don't want to dive too deep into it, but, you know, when it comes to even recent events that have happened, a lot of us have become numb, cold, very cold hearted.
So it didn't just start in this space.
We are in a world, living in a world of, you know, being indecent, you know, having your free speech be taken from you or your life be taken from you for free speech.
So I think we've become very numb and it is a culture change.
But I mean, this seems like it needs to be a big global change. And so how do we do that? Because
I think we're taking sometimes our outside burdens and bringing them inside and vice versa, inside
and taking them out. So, you know, how do you become that righteous person? You do what's right
because that's your moral conviction, right? You know, that's considered to be right standing for
you, but not right. You might not be right standing for somebody else, unfortunately.
But what we have to do and what we should do, what we need to do is look inside of ourselves, right?
That's called that self-reflection.
And I'm sorry we lost Queen.
I'm going to try to bring her back up here.
Or Tommy, if you can bring her back up here.
I'm trying to bring her back up as your own moral conviction, you know, because what's right to me could be, might not be right for someone else. You know, it's like no one has that standard of what they
consider to be right or wrong. We do because we have that moral conviction. But, you know,
unfortunately we are living in a society that's, that can be very numb. Like you said, Tommy,
very cold, very cruel. And when, you know, like Queen said, you know, we, we buy bag bias, you know,
I didn't even know that was the thing, bag bias, you know? Um, so there's a lot that we have to
learn and we all need to understand that we're in this together. I think somebody tweeted that
and I'm like, okay, I love that. We're all in this together, regardless of what size your bag is.
We're all here for the same reason. We want to see a change in our financial system and we can do it.
But yeah, I'll land the plane there.
But we are living in some cold, cruel times at the current moment.
And I think there's a spillover effect both ways.
And that's a real thing.
So to acknowledge that is important.
Well said.
Gabby, I will say the change happens with each one of us individually
you know like every person being every person has to be that change and when enough people be that
change i don't think requires the whole population to be that way i think there's a critical mass
maybe it's like one percent of the population right then you hit a critical mass that enough
people are that way and then that becomes the that then that that then it becomes unignorable and of course
people would be one i would hope that people want to be part of it when it hits that critical mass
but i think that's that's what it's about though i think every person matters so don't think that
you're insignificant because you're just one person no you matter you're you standing up for
what is right matters and the more you do that the more you inspire other people to do that
and then they'll bring other people to do that.
And before you know it, you have a whole room full of people who are believing that and doing that.
And it becomes a movement.
And that really is, I think, what needs to happen.
Oh, this has been inspiring.
A little deep conversation, but sometimes you have to go there, right?
You have to.
These things need to be talked about. They need to be talked about in spaces among people, even with new people. A little deep conversation, but sometimes you have to go there, right? You have to.
These things need to be talked about.
They need to be talked about in spaces among people, even with new people, because there are, you know, there are things that may and may not happen, things that you can and cannot
predict.
Like Tommy said, there's things that you're not going to know.
You're going to be very unaware of.
And so, you know, how can we mitigate those risks as best as we can?
Not to say they won't ever happen, but what's our mitigation plan?
So I really do appreciate you, Tommy, for, you know, taking the time to explain your mitigation plan through your protocol and your project to know that somebody feels safe enough to even participate.
And I think we all want to feel that way.
And so continue to move forward.
So continue to move forward. But I'd like to pass the mic over to either Rugrat or Mark or Crypto Queen, because with that heaviness there, I feel like we just need some lightness.
So I'm not sure what everybody's doing today or if anybody wants to add to the conversation.
Because, again, thank you, Tommy, for not stopping the momentum when people really need to talk.
They really need to have those hard conversations.
They really need to have those hard conversations. Hard conversations are not easy. That's why we have them, right?
Hard conversations are not easy.
That's why we have them, right?
They're hard.
They're difficult conversations.
So I thank you for being in the space and being that dev to open up a space to allow us to talk and be here as a dev to speak.
Because a lot of devs, some people can't speak to.
They get banned.
It's called a shadow path.
So thank you.
Demea?
Sorry. so um thank you demay oh sorry but no like but that's but yeah but that's definitely a few energy for opening this space like i said when i was looking into like what you're doing whatnot
and i was like seeing what um the fact that you're willing to be the solution for people
when something does happen. I was like,
oh, gotta support this. This is pretty awesome. Like I said, I think I'm glad that you were able
to have this conversation because it doesn't happen enough. And now since everything's
getting deregulated and all that kind of stuff, it's like, what does that mean? And how can people
all that kind of stuff, it's like, what does that mean?
And how can people that wanna get it?
Cause like, cause like you look at like, I know myself,
I look at the numbers and I'm seeing them like,
okay, that looks positive.
But what does that mean in the long run?
Right?
Like you'll see people saying like, I made whatever,
I got a hundred thousand dollars here,
whatever this situation may be, it's like,
is that real money?
Is that just crypto? Like, like how, whatever the situation may be, it's like, is that real money? Is that just crypto?
How does that work?
Everybody wants it to be at that point, but again, it's a fact of how to be safe with
And I think what you said specifically, when it comes to the people that I'll just be
like, well, we know that do the pump and dumps and whatnot, and how to avoid that kind of situation is really important because that's
keeping people that want to invest in something different from doing so because of that specific
piece, right? Because like I said with the NFT situation, that was something, what could have been an amazing situation of decentralization for artists
became known as a scam.
But now I'm listening to more people,
and they're like, no, we can still do this.
And there's a bigger play that made it so it wouldn't be as successful as it could be because that hurts
their bottom line. So having those kind of conversations of how we can really change this
system that we have now is important because the system is changing. But the question is,
how do you make sure that you're maintaining your sanity
and your morality as the system is changing so that we can all do what we want to do?
Have fun, get money and live.
Thank you for sharing your story. You know, it's important. Storytelling is important. And we're getting there.
But continue to follow Crypto Queen, myself,
follow everybody up here,
because honestly, it's a big help.
You know, don't follow people that, you know, are scammy.
But again, I think we've all,
a lot of us have been in rug positions.
But if we can, you know, have those rugs,
you know, again, take it out, you know, that would be great.
But we can't promise anything.
You know, I know we tell you to do your own research, but like Queen said, we need to help you learn how to do your research and so follow the right people.
And, you know, thank you for sharing your story.
It's important that we get more and more people to share their stories like this.
Okay, I've been here, not the echo chamber that we know, yeah, we yeah we've been through pumping dumps but somebody who's new coming into the space how do you feel
who are you following you know not that we need to babysit we don't want to babysit but we do want
questions right and you should be able to ask questions without being banned or feeling like
you're you're you're subpar to the community because of your bag not being as big or, you know, you got a brag bag
or something like that. You know, it's, honestly, it's very sad, but hopefully it will change. But
it's going to take some time, Tommy, and hopefully more, it's not more pain. Hopefully,
we'll start the healing at some point in this process. Don't know when, but it is necessary.
So with that being said, I do want to pass it back over to Mark
and Tommy,
Crippie Queen, if you have anything
to add.
And I'm not sure where Sulzaki went.
Where did Sulzaki go?
I'm good, Gabby.
I wanted to give, oh, we lost
Regret. I was going to give him an opportunity to speak.
But yeah, I think I've pretty much said it all.
You guys just be careful out there just to do, you know, as much research as you can on any
new project that you get into, you know, follow people that have a track record of, you know,
educating and not just shilling and pumping their own bags. So yeah, I think it's, we have a lot to
be hopeful for in this space. You know, the technology is advancing, and, you know, that's what I'm excited about.
You know, making money is just, you know, a bonus along the way,
but it's not something that you want to aim to have happen overnight.
It's about, you know, any type of investing.
Slow, steady gains are better than, you know, a huge risky windfall because it could go the other way so easily.
So, yeah, just stay safe and take care of each other, support each other out there.
I love that. I didn't know if, Tommy, you wanted to add to that at all, because I do want to end how we how we end in mud spaces what are you bullish about but before we do that want to make sure
everybody had you know wanted to add in anything extra you know to the space oh
somebody's requesting as well
Debbie while you're pulling them up I just wanted to mention that I put in the
nest our crypto chick spaces for this Saturday. So if you guys want to hear more, I think we're going to
talk about goals specifically, how to set goals, but probably, you know, touch on a little bit of
this as well. So we'd love to have you join us. It's a fun laid back space.
Hello, everybody. I don't know if you guys can hear me me you can be a sound check if you can hear me
we can hear you all righty all righty um i'm actually from the roaring katie community
um i'm one of the speakers i mean we have around 1500 almost 1600 holders so
i consider 1600 speakers um we are completely community based um and i love what you guys are
talking about about protection about protection, about protecting
yourself, about finding the right space to feel safe in and speak your mind. And at the same time,
learn, learn, learn what you can about the crypto space. A lot of people will say, hey, you know
what? This is, this is the wild west. It literally is because we're in the infancy of crypto. I mean,
just, just to see where we're going to be at in a couple years from now is amazing.
It's going to be an amazing feat.
And another thing I wanted to add about the whole of what had happened,
we did have a lot of holders who lost a lot of their bags completely.
I just want to let everyone know that morale is 100% there within the Telegram.
If you guys ever want to check out the Telegram,
come by, see what we're talking about.
It's really not a dead space.
We are completely active.
We are throwing around ideas of if we do ever get those coins back
or if we don't, we're trying to find ways
of maybe getting something back to those holders,
our community members.
But that's just in the talks. And I'm just saying that right now.
We do vote on everything in the community. But, you know, going back to what I was saying is a lot of our morality is there.
So we haven't lost faith. We haven't lost hope. Some of our members have, you know, they have passed on out of fear of what's going on.
But at the same time, we had a lot of people on the sidelines waiting to grab that dip.
So we have we have a really strong community.
And it's, you know, it's it's thanks to you guys.
Thank you, Crypto Queen, for actually posting about us as well.
It was just a huge fiasco.
And I want to thank everyone up here for, you know, shedding light to everything that's going on.
Just so just want to let you guys know because I've had a great Sunday.
Have fun.
You know, tomorrow's a new day.
Next week is a new week.
Let's get ready for this bull run.
Thanks for coming up.
I love the rural community.
You guys are awesome.
I have some really good friends in Roar
and my heart goes out to you. I know that's a hard situation to go through, but you guys are
handling it gracefully and just keep going, doing what you are doing and we'll all recover.
We'll all recover eventually. So thanks for coming up to chat. Yeah, no worries. No worries. I love
everything you guys do and what you guys stand for and you
know what a lot of our community members see what you guys are writing and see what you guys post
and that's what we are a great community we don't you know we shill when we can and that's what
everyone should be doing hey tony by the way i was meaning to get in touch with with you guys um
i don't know if you heard about what we have with LP bonds. Did you catch any of that earlier conversation?
I actually did not. I was leaving the gym when I started to listen in.
We have some pretty advanced stuff we've created with liquidity positions.
And I was thinking about you guys because you guys just had a huge cell pressure event from the hacker.
So we've invented LP bonds, which basically does three things for you guys.
Reduces cell pressure of the token by locking it up, providing long-term TVL, and increasing demand for it.
So we should connect
about that because that's something that could help catalyze the rebound and be like a good story
for like a good rebound so if you can help me get connected to some of the leaders there i think
they'd like they would probably like what we've created um we've got a really good response from
it so we should connect yeah of course 100 like i said%. Like I said, we're 100% community owned.
So if,
if there's any way you could drop into the telegram,
if not,
I can relay the message to the telegram and,
you know,
we will check out,
we'll reach out to you.
We can,
you know,
we can go ahead and make something happen here.
You know,
so pretty much it would just be reaching out to the telegram and I could do
that for you.
Okay. I'll connect with you.
I'll send you a DM after.
I'll find the best way.
Just sometimes it's good to get an ear to someone so you don't get overlooked.
I always try to find someone who knows somebody.
So if you have a connection like that, that I can show them what we're doing, that would be awesome.
Yeah, 100%.
And I thank you so much for that energy.
And just to tell you that that's Tommy. He is actually the CEO of Energy. And for him to even just come out here as a dev and speak with us is a wonderful opportunity for us to connect with him. And he's even offered to help you know so i wanted to say i piggybacked off of dosi
dosi i think had tagged uh cal i might not be pronouncing his name right but to just have
another dev offer to help another dev that that speaks a lot you know that's that's uh that speaks
volumes um and just to have him here so uh thank you tommy for being here thank you tommy and tony
you know for wanting
to connect and wanting to help and getting together and wanting to spread the word and not
only that but spread the funding out to everybody uh there's nothing here for all of us i love that
i love that and that's exactly what community is about that's what crypto should be about
everyone making life-changing wealth together not one person dumping on somebody or a team.
You know, that's what it's all about, community.
Wow, this has been a great space.
My goodness.
Look, connections are already being made, Tommy.
Queen, like, mark demand.
Look, connections.
People that normally are not here are here.
They want the help.
They want the story.
They want to succeed. And we're here to do it.
So with that being said,
I do wanna pass the mic back over to Mark or Tommy,
if they have anything else they would like to add
or say to the community,
because we've kept you guys a long time.
We're not even sure if you're back there working too
at the same time.
Yeah, let's do closing thoughts.
It's midnight over here in Thailand.
Just gotta wind down here.
Mark, you have anything to, any closing thoughts?
Mark asleep.
Oh, Mark, are you there?
If he's not, you know, Tommy, can we go around and do what we do in Mudd Space?
Mudd is one of the co-hosts for the Genius Room.
He also works with K9 as well.
And I always love to note that he ends on, what are you bullish about?
What are you bullish about?
You know, in crypto or anything?
Man, right now, I am super bullish on LP lp bonds man i'm super bullish on that um again i think the security is huge i've felt
security is huge for a long time but again it's been people don't care about security too much
until again disaster happens and you know i i hope people care more and more over time i'm happy to
see that uh i'm happy to i feel like i'm starting to see more which is really good to see but beyond
that you know i didn't just sit on my hands and wait for people to care about that we moved on and
meanwhile i've also created something that everyone can relate to which is uh making money
and that's what the LP bonds are
really about. So I'm super bullish about that, creating the technology for long-term liquidity,
which kind of relates to the same thing we're talking about. Instead of just
pump and dumps that people are out in 30 seconds, actually that liquidity is going to be there for
10 years. And while giving the users flexibility that they don't have to be in it for 10 years and uh you know and while giving the users flexibility that they don't have to be in
it for 10 years they can sell their bond tomorrow but the fact that liquidity stays there for 10
years that's going to help projects it's going to reduce sell pressure for projects so i am
super super bullish on that personally and cannot wait to cannot wait to have uh you know the rubber
hit the road on this which i think we're very close to that.
So, yeah. I love that. Super bullish on liquidity bonds. Tony, what are you super bullish about?
I'm actually 100% super bullish on Roaring Kitty, obviously. But also, I am really bullish,
super bullish on, like Tommy was saying, you know, security, security, security, security.
Protect yourself.
And you know what?
I'm going to take a look at your profile and, you know, see what you guys are about.
And, you know, I'm really excited about that LP bonds, man.
That's it.
And also, I'm also bullish on what crypto can accomplish in the coming years altogether.
Thank you so much, Tony.
Demea, what are you bullish about?
I'm bullish about this conversation.
Actually, now I have an interest of really getting into crypto.
For the years, I'm definitely going to be getting into it
and just seeing what's the best thing and all that kind of stuff. And then the one thing that I'm going to do is I'm going
to take, I'm actually probably going to document my journey. So for people that are like me,
that are, that were originally terrified, as we could say, if you follow the right people,
you really can do something and it really can be, and it really can be safe and you can help change your life.
So yeah, I think that's something to do.
Thank you for your super bullishness.
CryptoQueen, what are you bullish about?
I'm bullish about the regular spaces that energy is having.
I think this is an amazing opportunity for the community to come together and to ask these questions.
You know, you have the founder here,
you have technical experts,
you have other community members.
Like this is what it's about,
the transparency and openness.
And, you know, I've never heard you guys say
that question's stupid
or you can't ask that question
or, you know, you're banned
from all official channels.
So just appreciate all that you're doing.
I love to see communities coming together.
I've seen some SHIB communities in here today
and I've seen some NFT projects that I'm familiar with
and it seems like we're kind of cross-pollinating here
and good people are looking for other good people
to associate with and invest together.
So just good job and keep up the good work, Abby and Tommy and Mark.
And Mark, I'm not sure if you're there.
I would like to leave the last remarks.
I'll go ahead and say I'm super bullish on the community,
super bullish on devs being able to come out and speak to community members
that have concerns.
And like you said, Queen, not ban them.
Super bullish on this space, like Tony said,
for what crypto can do in the future. Super bullish on other new people coming into the
space like Demea that can be able to follow good people because good people will make more good
people. So let's continue being good people. I'm super bullish on this space in general.
And so with that being said,
I'll yield the mic and pass it over to Mark.
Mark, what are you bullish about?
In case he's there.
Hope he hasn't fallen asleep.
If not, we'll hand it back over to Tommy and Sulzaki.
I think we've lost him to close us out.
Mark, are you there? I think Mark is bullish on sleep,
which I am every day at certain hours as well.
You guys have been working hard.
We're proud of you.
And we're super happy that you guys come out and spend time with us just about every week.
You know, we take some time off.
We know you're back there working.
And thank you for P-O-L, I'll say proof of life.
You know, people say K-O-L, but we need P-O-Ls on our devs too.
So thank you for showing P-O-L whens on our devs too. So thank you for showing
POL when I reached out to you guys. So thank you so much. If Mark is asleep, that's okay.
Let him rest. Hopefully he'll be able to hang out later on. But Tommy, we'll send it back
over to you. Yeah, thank you guys for coming. It was a great space. And I love connecting
with you guys too. So as Queen was saying, great getting everyone together.
And yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Well, thank you guys all.
Have an awesome week.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
And we'll catch you guys soon.
Probably we'll keep you guys posted.
I'm going to get a better cadence
from my marketing team about these announcements.
So we should provide a couple day heads up
if there's going to be a space that Sunday. And then there should be a reminder a day before and the day of so if there's
um we're working on getting like a more regular flow for this but i want to make sure you guys
are tuned in so it's not like uh is there a space happening this week we'll do a better
job of making sure that is clear so yeah well thank you guys for coming take care everybody
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