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Golden Hour: Sonic, Data, Infra & More
Recorded: July 23, 2025 Duration: 1:01:09Space Recording
Short Summary
Sonic Labs is making waves with the launch of Spark, an AI-driven platform for smart contract development, while partnerships with Silo Finance and OpenOcean are set to enhance liquidity and trading efficiency. The ecosystem is thriving with innovative projects and a unique fee model that rewards developers, signaling strong growth and collaboration in the DeFi space.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. so Hey guys, can you hear me?
We're still waiting for our speakers to join.
Please request to speak.
I see Firon is requesting.
I usually have trouble lately with X actually inviting the speakers.
Can you guys hear me?
Maybe some hearts?
Yeah, I hear you.
Awesome.
Hey, team.
So we have a couple of our speakers here.
We're just going to wait a few more minutes and we will start off.
It could be a fun hour, guys. yes I am here I don't know how to bring the music back from the official host account sometimes
it glitches out so I don't want people to feel like I am not here okay so here is another request to speak so we're waiting
waiting for mu mu with sonic we're also waiting on shadow oh there he is shadow request to speak sir
please or did i already invite you as a speaker i did i tried i don't know if it worked. It did. Yeah, it came through. It came through speaker automatically.
So it's been working because I do it from the, like, co-host account now.
So let's see.
So we have four speakers today, which should be really nice.
Let me see.
I think we're just waiting on MiuMiu with Sonic.
I was just DMing her, so she should be here at any moment.
Let me see here, guys. One sec. All right.
Just waiting on Mew Mew.
I hope you guys are doing well today, Wednesday hump day.
A lot going on. The market's looking good.
Yeah, finally, my ETH leverage positions are paying out.
Incredible.
Oh, nice. You want to talk a little bit about that while we
wait?
I mean, there's not a science to it. I mean, I've been leveraging
ETH all the way to the bottom. And now we're up. So it's been good. It's been treating me good, the ETH price.
It's the best time to talk about... Sorry, one second, guys. It's hard for me to multitask sometimes, even though I am a woman. There she is. Okay, great. I was just
making sure that I invited everyone to speak and everybody's through. But yeah, it's the best time
to talk about our gains. I think that you are right onto something. Okay, guys, let's get started. So
welcome to another golden hour. Really nice time, you know, to bring builders, ecosystems here. We've had a great time speaking to a lot of
different people in the space. And today is going to be a special hour. We have a lot of like the
growth hackers and of, you know, not only Sonic, but also DeFi and other infrastructure. So it
should be a fun time. I want to thank you guys for taking time out of your busy agendas. I'm going to start out with like a light intro and then I'm actually going to hand it over
so you guys can actually introduce yourselves with proper details. So today we have the lovely
Miu Miu. She's with Sonic. Most of you guys already know Sonic is the evm l1 it's the highest performing uh l1 and
i'll let her uh continue on the rest then we have tencent he's from silo silo finance is a multi-chain
high yield money market um they're also on sonic as well we have guy polio guys with open ocean
defy and cross-chain aggregator and then we have have Prakash. He's with Sphear on Network. They are a
data center and he will expand upon that. And lastly, we have Shadow. He's with Chain Sites.
Chain Sites is a permissionless data layer and they're building the future of DeFi trading,
which he'll share a little bit more about that as well. They're also deployed on Sonic, but it has
not been officially announced yet. So you guys are hearing it for the first time. I'm DeFi girl. I actually been working with a lot of the speakers today. So really keen
to actually just, you know, jam it up a bit on this Wednesday. It should be a great time. And
I wanted to share a life hack and I actually want the speakers to do this as well. My life hack is
stable coin passive yields. It has been for a long time since 2021 and creatine five grams of creatine
so i'll hand it over mu mu you want to introduce yourself gm gm very nice intro very energetic
thank you for bringing me on uh hi guys i'm mu mu i work on ecosystem with sonic labs team
and super happy to be here um um we talk about hack, right? I recently find out that having a very
regular life and having a routine in your life, it's really efficient to all the chaotic agenda
and great value add to your life. And before that, I realized like all of us like traders
following the market terminally online nonstopstop but i felt like having a routine
like just hit a gym take your coffee on time as a routine is a really great thing to have
that's amazing being human is real so we're not only uh uh crypto uh yeah we're not only crypto
nerds i love that really keen to have you and really excited to talk about Sonic and what you guys are doing. I want to hand it over to Tenzin. Hey, T with Silo, you want to introduce yourself and give us some alpha or whatever you want to share?
efforts over at silo and um yeah i mean we're the largest money market on sonic we're one of the
largest overall um tons of vaults tons of yields uh being able to use very esoteric assets uh in
an isolated manner uh which keeps your risk uh to a minimum so uh yeah excited to be here uh
and uh thank you for having me So is your life hack the yield?
Yeah, I'm a cave goblin,
so my life hacks are just yield hacks.
Yes, I love that.
That's one of mine's too.
Love it.
Guy, Guy, you want to introduce yourself?
I guess I don't have Guy here.
Well, let's hand it over to Prakash with Sphere on.
Yeah. Hey, everyone.
We have been building an agent infrastructure on top of Sonic right now,
and it's called Skynet.
Basically, anybody can spin off their agents and do multiple things like
maintain different positions,
looping like trading agents, social agents,
even something which is used day by day is that we made this agent,
which is called Pokemon BDbot,
which just gives you the summary of every Telegram group that has
your mention or has replied to you in any of the telegrams group or you want to monitor them.
So yeah, like Skynet is mostly, it uses Verons infrastructure and you can do multiple things on different ecosystem and Sonic is one of them.
And we have been successfully rolling out to different trader groups,
different marketers and rolling out in different streams as well,
testing it out completely so that we can give out to people to test it.
The feedback is pretty amazing, honestly.
We are loving the feedback from the different ecosystem.
We are getting good amount of feedback from it and we love it.
It's overwhelming. We guys are going on tg in a few days so yeah
it's pretty exciting for us uh life hack for me is that uh i don't use like i don't see any screen
apart from work so i don't entertain myself utilizing any kind of screen or any kind of screen time is involved in any of these works
like so it really helps me like i feel most of my uh it helps me like uh repurpose things again and
again and think about things outside of this world and i i know i've been a decent for like i don't
know how many years i don't even remember but uh yeah, like I've disconnected myself from entertaining myself through screen.
So yeah, more of, it really helps.
It does.
And I've left Instagram.
So yeah, that was like a big thing
because I had like many followers on Instagram.
So it was tough.
Wow, confession.
Screen time with like X and crypto Twitter. So I feel you on that. Same here.
I have like another business that I do as well. So like socials like is only for work.
So awesome. Thank you for that. And we'll talk a little bit more like as we get deeper into the hour.
Hey, guy, can you speak now? I think you were trying to.
Fantastic. I just want to make sure everybody can hear me.
Yes, sir. Please introduce yourself. Thank you. Thank you for the invite as well. So my name is
Guy. I lead the growth team at OpenOcean. OpenOcean is a multi-chain aggregator powerhouse.
We aggregate DEXs, LPs across 40 different ecosystems, and we deliver a bunch of on-chain tools for builders, users,
anyone who's contributing to the space in terms of DCAs, limit orders, swaps and everything in
between. We take a kind of hands-first builders approach to everything and we build custom
middleware for different dApps and we take a a very proactive approach to where we like to launch.
So yeah, delighted to be here today. And a life hack for myself. I'm not sure if this is just
because I'm a guy, but I cut out using shampoo. I only condition my hair at all, and it's never
been healthier. So not only am I saving money, no two-in-one stuff uh organic conditioner and yeah can't recommend any better
dude that's amazing because honestly the shampoo that's out there
it's extremely toxic plus the microplastics that seeped into the whole thing so you're
on to something there guy yeah absolutely love it awesome thank you for that guys we're giving out
alpha already it hasn't even been 10 minutes.
Hey, Shadow, did you want to introduce yourself?
Yeah. So it's me again. Some of you probably heard me on other spaces, previous golden hours.
So I'll do the intro that I've been giving every week pretty much. yeah i've managed to simplify it uh so all of the concepts
discussed about chainsite like the infrastructure simplest way to put is uh we we enable data rich
smart contract smart contract design and like data rich smart contracts in general so a new way of
like thinking about smart contracts building them and and the actual functionalities of them through self-hosted, self-deployed data feeds, and all managed through Chainsight Portal, which is our developer platform.
I've been overthinking this life-acting thing since you asked it, and i'm low-key panicking uh but i'll just yeah just to
throw one out there i guess uh life hack is to not spend too much time on crypto twitter
life is just better when you're not constantly on there respectfully
you know i love this because i actually threw this curveball guys it's the first time
in a golden hour that i'm asking for a life hack because i'm starting to realize that we should all
have lives outside of crypto twitter and what and the work so i love that you guys are able to share
this um so i think i will continue on this path because the shampoo thing that's golden i need to
get on that as well and even mu mu Miu sharing that she should have a routine.
There's a lesson in this, guys.
We should all have a life outside of this.
So let's continue on.
Thank you guys so much.
I think I got everybody in, everybody's intro.
I'd love to go back to Miu Miu.
Tell us, you were out in Korea.
Give us some help on what happened out there.
Super bullish.
I saw some of the photos.
Wow, amazing. Before like really dive into the details, I want to say that everyone in this
space just give me a lot of energy and I felt like we are connecting instead of just like
scrolling through crypto Twitter and seeing those tags. So hearing each other's voice really give me a lot of, you know, refreshing and it feels great.
So like back in like last week, the whole Sonic Labs team, mostly all the core members were landing in Korea to host our first ever huge like APAC meetup.
And it was really, really packed.
And we have like over a thousand and two hundred subscribers to our event solely.
And it's only like a two hour event at night.
And even like 3 p.m., 4 p.m., there are people lining up, not just to be interested in our
prize and seeing the core team member there.
It's also a great time for our community to, you know, gather together and really see where
our APEC people at. it was a huge success and I want to reiterate on a few
things that we've done and we've launched back in Korea which is huge for
Sonic Labs I think in the future as well I heard our some members here also are
doing something relevant to AI so one of the very important things that we launch in Korea is Spark.
Spark by Sonic, it's an AI non-code developer platform,
which means that you just can use your natural language to start to prompting with AI
and have it to help you develop smart contracts and deploy token addresses, contracts on Sonic.
And it really lowered the threshold for developers.
And for someone non-technical like me, I'm able to develop a whole set of NFT on Sonic within minutes.
And I think Spark is one of the things that I'm most excited,
apart from many, many other like institutional adoptions
that we're doing here at Sonic. And I'll stop it from here. Don't want to ramble too much.
But this is something that I'm really, really excited about. And I think this the biggest
alpha we bring from Korea.
Oh, nice. I actually did not even see this deeply, to be honest with you, because there's
a lot going on. So definitely keen to talk more about that during this deeply, to be honest with you, because there's a lot going on. So definitely
keen to talk more about that during this hour. You have to get together with Shadow because he
is also like APAC. He has been an AI, but I digress. I think it's awesome. I would love to
transition over to TenZit. Tell us about Silo. I know that I had been working with you guys before
with my other like DeFi aggregator that i was a core contributor
um for a long time tell us about v2 and um would we be able to actually use spark and like get our
yields over on on silo through just like language this is what i'm thinking now i could be wrong
that was an interesting thought uh i think what you could do is probably you could do market deployment through something like Spark, right? So you could say, hey, AI agent, create a silo market with these parameters
and these two assets. And that would be a fairly good use case because most teams have to go
through a struggle or at least the ones that want to deploy the markets themselves because,
again, our platform is actually permissionless, right? And immutable. But yeah, I guess I'm also digressing a little
bit, but on V2, V2 is really a solution to all of the problems that we saw with our V1
for the last four or so years. At a core level, it's incredibly modular. It has a concept called hooks, which is,
if you are familiar with UniV4, lets you make custom logic without breaking internal logic
for the most part, so long as you do it correctly. And it lets us essentially incorporate new features
into new emerging markets without having to completely rebuild the protocol from the ground up. Right.
And yeah. And then besides that, you know,
it has a lot of like quality of life stuff,
like a much better liquidation system than our previous version and the
ability to use multiple oracles for like different parameters within a market.
And well, there's, there's really a huge range of things. But yeah.
Oh, very nice. You could actually also talk to Shadow about the whole multi Oracle and like
the customization. What's the user experience like with the actual hooks? This is like abstracted.
So the hooks are really on the developer side, right? Because the hooks are essentially custom logic.
You're going to want to input throughout the code.
One very simple example that you can see live today is on Silo,
there are some markets that are bidirectional.
So you'll have two assets inside it, token A and token B.
A can borrow B and B can borrow A.
With a hook, and I think it's a two to five line code change.
You can actually create a single directional market.
So only A borrows B.
And that's an example of something you'll see
like throughout a lot of our markets
that are currently live.
Yeah, yeah.
And then you can do a lot of other interesting things,
like you could track the rate of staking and make sure that interest rates never go below that. Although obviously you have to account for utilization or sorry, never go above that, right? Because you want the loops to be profitable. And yeah, yeah. Leverage contracts for integrating soon. That's done through a hook. But yeah.
yeah leverage contracts we're integrating soon uh that's done through a hook uh but yeah
very nice i like this um sorry guys uh somebody dropped off i'm trying to get them back yeah very
nice we'll talk more about this thank you for that t um let's go over to guy. Is Guy here? Is he back? If not, we can go to Prakash.
The connection's holding.
Okay, great.
You want to talk a little bit about your new DAO proposal?
Yeah, yeah.
And what's going on here?
Yeah, absolutely.
So for a while, you know, we've been operational since 2021.
And thankfully, since that time, we've kind of amassed a really good community base.
And so some of our latest news
that we're kind of spreading around at the minute,
we do have a new DAO proposal in the works,
which is kind of a serious shakeup
to the existing tokenomics flow that we have.
It's a significantly more rewarding model
for like LP providers who are committing
to supporting
liquidity for our native token. So there's, it's really good. And we're putting, ideally,
we wanted to open this up and get essential community feedback before we even move to,
you know, the proposal ideation stage, because it's such an important part of who we are and
kind of, you know, where it dictates our movements next. And we've been going
through a really good revamping phase of our main swap algorithms. As you know, we obviously operate
on over 40 different chains. And we're kind of silently rolling out V4.5. We haven't done any
official marketing about it at the moment but essentially it makes our
multi-swap routes even more efficient than ever before and the experience that we're bringing to
sonic at the minute is is absolutely fantastic you know there's a few speakers here tenzer i know
i met personally at the sonic summit in vienna which is absolutely amazing by the way it's a big
kudos to the sonic team and we had the opportunity to meet a lot of builders from the ecosystem kind of put faces
to profile pictures learn about what people are working on um and obviously like see some
deployed projects as well um you know we met a small team who had completely integrated
open oceans full like product suite.
And they're going to be launching the whale wallet soon as well.
So it's been a fantastic opportunity for us to meet builders who have been integrating our services as we continue to like roll out the updates.
So yeah,
it's like all eyes on the community at the moment.
We've got the Dow proposal running through the kind of updates,
the platform,
and then the other new ecosystems that, the kind of updates to the platform,
and then the other new ecosystems that we're kind of launching into. But I mean, so far,
the builders reception on Sonic has been like, almost unlike any other ecosystem that we've worked with, you know, we have very close ties and communication lines with a lot of the core team.
And they're so good at highlighting like essential builders within the ecosystem.
And yeah, we just want this, the good times to keep rolling. And we're going to be here and continue
building for the future. Very nice. I love that. That's actually one of the questions that I had
for you guys later on to actually talk about the builder culture on Sonic. We'll get more into that.
So thanks for sharing that
hey prakash can you are you back are you yeah yeah i just got dropped down so yeah i'm back
this guys this is the reality of x like it's just broken but you know we're used to broken
right we work on um here we are so prakash tell us about like the actual um you know what you
guys built on sonic and the experience there.
Yeah. Honestly, something which we thought of,
the major problem is that there were so many AI agents that were getting created,
but a normal user,
a non-technical user had so many challenges while doing that.
First, we thought of an idea where
agents would be able to replicate themselves and create a swarm.
That's why Skynet was the name because
compute existed as one of the entities which it lived upon.
The fun part is when we tried to delete this agent on XYZ,
it was replicating itself,
but we had to contain it because we couldn't stop it.
So we have to completely stop off the computer itself
so that it doesn't go off and create more of it.
Then we decided that we should
first in grasp with the whole idea
of how we are going to handle
so many requests at the same time of agents being created.
Let's take one of the examples which is running right now.
If you want to go ahead and put on a looping strategy
on the best yield out there and find out.
There is an LLMizer where you see and where you check,
these are the top yields which are coming right now.
Most of the agents right now can only
assist you to make this decision.
They cannot do it for you.
But what we are trying to solve is that,
and we don't come from DeFi background,
to be really honest.
We are learning the ropes via different LLMs.
What we first understood is that first,
we create a flow for ourselves, and then we ask it to maintain a strategy.
That's how we started with it.
Right now, you can see on the marketplace,
there are a few templates which we have made live.
In the beta phase itself,
we have been growing pretty aggressively on that.
It helps you understand the core logic behind the agents,
because agents was something which was
spinoff as it's going to change the world,
but we are trying to break down the logic of
how and bundle different things around it.
We are ingesting data from DeFi,
Lama, CoinMarketCap, Compass Labs,
multiple places and off-chain and on-chain elements of it.
And then we are bundling it through into multiple direction of transaction
that is happening on top of it.
It's pretty fun because you'll be able to understand your yield aggregation
and you will be able to maintain it pretty well.
We have been getting some good results.
I can't put it out right now,
but it's more than most of the yield generators out there.
Sonic has one of the ecosystem which is rapidly very much
liked by many region folks and traders like what we have seen.
That's why we decided to add it and work poorly on that.
That's so true. Sonic does have a Degen vibe to it as well.
I love this because in a lot of ways,
you guys are all cross-working with each other. Yeah, and that brings a lot of value, like you guys are all kind of like cross working with each other.
Yeah.
And that brings a lot of value to the ecosystem as well.
Like the support from other builders.
I wanted actual shadow to chime in. He is more like apt to talk about agents.
And even like you talking about the bringing down the logic and ingesting different data
off chain and on chain.
Shadow, did you want to chime in and say a little bit about what was just shared?
Yeah, I mean, agents are a pretty broad topic.
So where do you think is most fitting?
How have you guys kind of been working with different projects?
I know that Chainsight is working with different projects.
It's more of like longer term collaboration.
How is like the data looking on that end?
Anything you want to say?
Oh, well, one thing that's sort of, I guess, related to the agent space is more just
thinking, thinking a lot about what kind of first of all,
working backwards from like, what can you get a model to compute?
When it comes to the AI discussion these days,
a lot of it is driven still largely by like LLMs
or language models in general.
But something that we look at a lot when it comes to AI
and how it relates to like usage on ChainSight
is that there are models that can produce useful,
particularly quantitative models, large and small quantitative
models that can produce useful inferences
as a single deterministic output, like a confidence
for or a prediction, like a confidence for or a
prediction, like a numeric prediction. And then so with
those outputs, since they are deterministic, and like you only
get you get like one numeric output rather than like with the
LLM, like a whole sentence or a paragraph. What that means is
you can like, and even with LLMs, like, um, something a lot of like,
if you chat GPT a lot, um, something most people don't know they can do is ask for specific,
like single outputs, uh, in like a JSON format.
So if you wanted something to be given back to you as a number, but yeah i digress the reason why i'm bringing this up is
because yeah with those endpoints those can all technically be like connected on on chain through
something like chainsite and how we enable like simple http processing and like transport um
directly through like an on-chain feed.
So if you do have a model that's running and giving you some kind of output,
then yeah, technically you can leverage
any sort of models computation
in like a directly in a smart contract.
So that's why I mentioned at the beginning,
the idea of like data rich smart contract design.
It is frankly,
like still largely theoretical, right?
It's like, oh yeah, we could technically get a model
to compute this about like a DeFi position.
But what we're still waiting to see
and like looking, keeping an eye out more for is like,
yeah, protocols are one that experiment with these kind of data rich
features. Yeah, really cool. Yeah, I'm keen to see the evolution of this whole thing. Because I've
had like different experience, I even had talked to a few of the actual, like grant winners over
from Sonnet. It was new Volari. I really liked the actual founders
there. It's really interesting what they're doing. And they're also like working with a lot of the
DeFi protocols that, you know, I was, I had been working with as well. We have Euler, Silo, I think
it was Hedgehog and a few others. So it would be really interesting to see like what the actual
user experience is, especially Sonic being, you know, a super like
reliable chain as well. I want to see that evolution. I wanted to go back to Mew Mew.
And this is piggyback like question based off of what Guy had initiated for us is I wanted you to
share with us like, what do you guys, because that's the culture over there and it's not like
at sonic in general you guys are very supportive like of the builders and the defi projects um
like what's the number one thing you think mu mu like and that you would advise for any new builder
joining the ecosystem or anything that you wanted to 100 so if the question is just um for builders
more like builder centric I think the number one
thing I would recommend any builders to do if you're trying to explore with
sonic it's for sure get in contact with us like me and our team members and talk
to you know Tenzin from Silo talk to you know Shadow like all kinds of friends
and builders who established their experiences there. And the second thing is register your smart contracts on Fiem,
which is the fee monetization model that only Sonic deploy and use.
It returns 90% of the gas fee back to the contract developers,
which means that everyone who use your contracts and 90% of the fees that generated will get back to you
and you have the full autonomy to decide what you want to do with the money.
For example, we've seen like different projects.
They use the gas fee generated to give back users to do more user incentives.
We see them like hiring more talents to their team.
We see them like running running campaigns doing marketing like
running merge all kinds of things so this is a great advantage and an ad for sonic network other
than their speed their reliability and other infrastructures that we really want to incentivize
builders to build it up and i think that is a very core experience for all the sonic users
core experience for all the Sonic users and I've said like get in contact with us register your
VM monetization like contract registry and I think another thing I would really recommend is that if
you are a conviction builder you know what you want to do KYC with us then once we have your KYC
the whole foundation team and ecosystem team and including me, myself, our growth team will be able to do all kinds of marketing activations and distribution for the platforms that you're building.
This will help bringing liquidity attentions and all the kinds of supports that from go to market to more intros and really deepen the relations with the foundation.
more intros and really deepen the relations with the foundation.
I love that.
A lot of support.
And, you know, the value, bringing back the value to the builders
with the actual, you know, fees, gas fees going back 90%.
That's huge.
And I think that's one of the unique things.
And I've seen it because I'm in groups with you guys with other DeFi protocols.
And we've been integrating there,
working with different infrastructure providers
on the actual network.
So it's been very good, the experience.
And I've seen product leads.
Everybody has good feedback.
So that's awesome.
I actually wanted to ask Tens at T,
what's your experience there?
And then I wanted you to also talk about
not only your experience with the whole
getting the feedback, the value back from the actual network but talk a little bit about
your isolation risk as well and what that means to the user sure sure yeah i mean on the sonic
team side i mean we've been good friends with the sonic team now for a long time um i think that
they they appreciate uh commitment from teams as well? So we came in very, very early and we believed in the idea, right?
So we spoke very, very early on
with some of the core team members
and we told them, hey, listen,
we're gonna have your back.
We're gonna come in with you.
We're gonna come in strong
and they reciprocated that 100%, right?
So if you're a team that's just going to,
you know, try to just value extract, I don't think that this is the chain for you.
But if you're someone that brings real value and is constantly working towards that, that effort, those efforts do go recognize.
And yeah, and I think I can touch on risk isolation.
So to put it very simply, there are two models in DeFi.
There is a what is called a shared pool model, which is what Aave and Compound use. And then there is an isolated model, which
is what we use and what someone like Amorfo would use. The core difference is actually architectural.
So in Aave Compound, you will have one gigantic pool where all the assets crossbar each other.
of a compound, you will have one gigantic pool where all the assets cross borrow each other.
What that means is if you add a bad asset, everyone in all of the pools is affected.
And also it means that you can't customize interest rates to the assets that are collateralizing.
So on the silo side, we do one pool for every asset or for every pair. You can think of it like Uniswap.
So you'll have token A that can borrow B or B that can borrow A.
And the real big advantage of it is, let's say you have like a
wrapped staked ETH market and you have a staked S ETH market.
And you have two depositors, right?
One in the staked S market that's depositing ETH and the other one that's in the wrap-staked ETH market.
Let's say for whatever reason, the wrap-staked ETH oracle fucks up, chain link messes up, which has happened, by the way.
Once that happens, right, the people in the wrap-staked ETH market are affected, but the people in the staked S market are not affected.
affected, but the people in the staked asset market are not affected. And so this sort of
security means that we can literally deploy a hundred markets tomorrow and it doesn't make any
of the markets that we've deployed in the past any less secure. So, yeah.
Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you for that explanation. I think it's always good to hear
from like an actual builder how all of this works, you know, back to basic, because it can be very confusing.
So yeah, no, I love that. And it's just basically, you know, risk management in a lot of ways and
like reliability for the user. Yeah, that's great. Thanks for sharing that. It'd be great for you to
actually also talk to Shadow a little bit more about that as well, since they do
provide a lot of data as well. I wanted to go back to Prakash. I think he's still here. If anybody
has dropped off, please send me a DM. I think I see him. This thing is just glitching on my end.
Tell us about your experience there as well. And what else you wanted to share being on Sonic? Are you guys part of the fees going back to you or not yet?
I think it's been good.
One of the few ecosystems that you look forward to working with.
I say that from my experience with working with different types of ecosystem.
Now, there are different types of ecosystem which has eroded the way of decentralization.
And I'm not bad-mouthing them.
It's their way to run their things.
And what I liked about Sonic is that it truly
speaks to more degen than any other ecosystem out there.
And something which we have seen on the trade side as well,
pretty active on multiple sides of the market.
It's not very plateau in terms of building.
The team is always shipping stuff, which is useful.
And I feel like that is something which
is very important for a protocol, honestly. You solve out
problems which is actually faced by the builders on top
of anything so that it automatically creates a better
pathway for different Dapp builders all around and even
people who are trading on top of these.
I really like about the few ecosystem have that,
and that's what our ethos has been with Sonic as well.
We have been trying to focus on the first principles of things.
Even if you're investing, why are you investing?
Why would you go and create
an agent like do you really need it and uh like what's the eventual use case of it so it's it's
all about balancing all of these things like in terms of strategy in terms of in terms of anything
eventually like uh because these are like very volatile markets which we are speaking of.
So we have to be very careful of giving out the entry point and
even the extradition through this entry point itself.
So that's why we have been very careful into designing the experience for the users and
very user-centric.
I think we have spoken to more than thousands of users,
and that's just us.
If I say thousand,
I have spoken to like 500 of them.
Even the founder is involved
into speaking to different users,
understanding the flow.
We have been very peculiar of what kind of strategy
which we are devising with Skynet on this.
We're very happy to see what we have actually achieved, honestly.
Definitely would love to have.
You got some amazing people on the panel today,
and I'd love to speak to them post this as well,
because it's always good to have good renowned feedback and would love your feedback as well and yeah that's that's how
our experience has been and pretty amazing people on the on the panel today like love that
now that's amazing you touched on a lot of good like points you know the whole balancing
I love that you guys have actually taken the time to speak to users. You'd be surprised, like I've been working in this space
for a while with a lot of different teams. You'd be surprised how many people are like building
like in the dark and they forget that there's going to be users on the other end and that it
should be like a user experience and a flow and actually being out there and speaking to users.
A lot of like the guys are almost like they're so into their own tech that they forget that the user flow and surveys, all of these things are super important.
Right. And having a team that's actually aware of that.
So that's pretty amazing. And I love like the energy, too, that you are, you know, embracing like everybody on the panel.
This is what this is about, guys. Like we're all like working and building.
And I love like the networking and everybody actually coming together and not only sharing alpha, but also like supporting
each other. I want to go back to Guy real quick. And I know that you guys are working with whale
while wallet. You're also with silo. Um, talk about anything that you want regarding that.
Yeah, no, specifically, I think, um, I just want to touch on because obviously, you know, a lot of the panel, this amazing panel here are kind of, you know, user focused and have the end user in mind.
Whereas whilst we do offer like a kind of suite of front end tools, you know, the majority of our time is spent working with builders.
And, you know, I'd break those down into like three different categories. So, you know, we have those who are looking to build for the first time in the space and have chosen Sonic as their home.
We have those who are moving to Sonic from a different ecosystem, you know, maybe forking their product.
And then we have those who are, you know, completely widely integrated across multiple different ecosystems. And they're just looking
at maybe getting a foothold or curious about what to start doing on Sonic. And I think that's one of
the reasons why we're really well placed, you know, to be able to offer the tooling available
to new projects and DAPT. You know, I frequently hang out in the builders rooms and there's a lot
of discussion in there about specific workflows for platforms or, you know, maybe ideas for new mini apps that people haven't thought about.
And we do sort of knock around a lot of ideas.
And, you know, to that extent, we've ended up launching a bunch of DeFi tooling on Sonic, which has been, you know, quite well received by a lot of builders.
And I think the positive sentiment continues, you know, so we
have the non-custodial DCA, which is, you know, really good order types. We make these available
for different businesses that, you know, also contribute to the space. We kind of have an ethos,
a modus operandi, where if you're contributing, you know, building into the space and providing
value, you get all of our services for free.
But if you're extracting value, whether you're, let's say, you're running a business or you're market making for personal gain,
then you can pay for access to the market and for the API.
And I think that's one of the kind of core values that we've still stood on even to this day.
And, you know, the fact that we've been around building for so long, in a sense that, you know, the same way that Sonic rewards builders and platforms with the theme model, you know, we like to give back to early stage products in being able to monetize their tools.
So there's a really efficient suite of tools that we can offer for you know new products who are
building and launching and yes like like you mentioned defi girl shout out to the whale team
who you know they're pretty much using every single one of our core features on the brand
new upcoming wallet so there's a lot of exciting stuff coming across the ecosystem and from us as
well and you know we just for us Sonic is a really great place to call home
as like a builder collective. And, you know, from working on the growth side for OpenOcean,
we see so many opportunities every single day that open up. And, you know, we look,
we really look forward to continuing to roll out some more of these tools from the conversations
that we've been having back in Vienna. That's amazing. You you know value exchange is so important when it comes to like builders networks
you know the consumer facing applications and being efficient and actually being able to bring
that value not only extract it's so important so I love that you touched upon this and and that you
know you you really are you know instilling that culture with what you guys are doing and working
with other builders and it's so important And we can actually transition right into Shadow because,
you know, they're also builder tooling and infrastructure. And I would love for Shadow
to explain like what they're enabling sonic builders, what that means to everyone,
because it's so important, right? not only the consumer facing application survey and
actually understanding but how are we making the builder tooling easier and frictionless shadow
yeah so i mean the main the main thing we focus on is i i mean like starting from the core unlock
like what's the unlock with chainsiteight and then working backwards from there.
So like I mentioned, the unlock is data rich smart contracts.
So something we myself actually in particular spend a lot of time doing is being hands on with the because Chainsight is a technical product.
product, we have to be hands-on with the actual technical integrations that are going on,
whether it's in the discussion phase or more mature planning. I've personally spent just
as much time as someone on another team would, looking into the code base and seeing how something can be fit in, seeing what sort of data types would make sense to implement at the smart contract level, what would be the risks of like, okay, if I were an engineer that we're working on this lending protocol,
though, we're trying to do something with, how would I go about like, thinking through the
integration? I don't mean to like plug my own stuff. But I did write something about this on
Medium a few weeks ago, which is the thing a lot of uh a lot of people get wrong
especially in like a b2b or like the tooling landscape is that they assume that okay once we
put our tooling out there uh we just need to wait for people to start using it it's very similar to
even in a b2c context right like oh if i put this out there and run some ads on it then i should get
users uh but then the most crucial step there is actually thinking through the integration you want
to do from the perspective of the person that's integrating uh so yeah i i make sure to spend
spend the right amount of time like whenever whenever, before even like proposing an integration
or pushing towards some angle or some deliverables, I always make sure to, yeah, spend the right
amount of time going through the potential like partner or customers called myself and
then, yeah, thinking through those things.
Yeah. partner or customers called myself. And then, yeah, thinking through those things. Yeah, that's good stuff. You know, the user journey goes back to the user journey, whether
you're a consumer, right? Whether you're just like a user, native DeFi user, or you're a builder,
right? So important. I love this. You guys, I love the energy and just like everything you guys shared and the sincerity
in this conversation.
We're coming up like in the last 10 minutes of the actual hour, believe it or not, went
by really quick.
I would love for us to all kind of finish up with like a closing statement.
Any alpha you want to share?
I know that you guys already kind of shared how, what do you want the users to, you know,
last words. And I also want you, if you can, which life hack are you willing to try that
somebody else has actually shared today? I can go first. I actually am grateful for, you know,
Miu Miu from Sonic. She's super busy sharing the alpha on Spark. I can appreciate everybody here,
like Tenzin, you know, talking a little bit about Silo and actually the ins and outs of like what it means like to earn yields like this, you know, and isolated risks.
So awesome.
He talked about oracles.
Then we have Guy, you know, he was really, really amazing speaker.
You can tell he has experience doing these lives.
Talked about a little bit of the builders he's working with.
Prakash, I love his energy. You know, he really did share his experience
building on Sonic and, you know,
what it means to have like this agent framework.
And then we have Chain Sight, right?
Builder tooling.
I can't wait for the announcements, you know,
that they're actually already deployed on Sonic.
And the life hack that I'm going to try,
I'm going to try everybody's.
I'm going to try the no shampoo thing.
I have extremely long hair, just like my PFP.
So that's going to be interesting.
I'm definitely going to try what Mew Mew suggested is to, you know, stay on that routine. Sometimes
it's hard because being in like this, like bowl market, I don't know about you guys, but sometimes
I'm like 12 to 14 hours, like working. It's insane. And then I also think that getting off
of crypto Twitter is a good idea a little bit and no other screen time.
I already do that as well.
So thank you guys for that.
And I'll hand over to Miu Miu.
Miu Miu, your last word.
Really, really appreciate everyone here speaking their mind and super energetic.
I really love you as a host and thank you for having me.
The life hack that I would try, it's from Ten tenzin which is the yodan silo it's
looking super good to me season two eardrop of um sonic it's also ongoing so i'm gonna be more
active on chain and really get the reward very nice rewards and healthy shiny hair who wants to go next please open mic i'll go i'll go
um yeah i think the i was gonna say uh tencent but i think i have half my net worth in silo already
um so the other thing i think is probably nailed down a really good routine um i've probably been
letting that slip recently um you know, I find myself working in the
early hours of the morning quite often. But yeah, no, thank you very much for inviting us to the
space. Just check out our latest DAO proposal. And if you're building something, come and chat
with us. Keep it short and sweet. Thanks a lot. Awesome. Who wants to go next? Yeah, I'll throw
it out there. I'm going to go with Mia Moons as well.
I should probably get into a routine. I sleep maybe four or five hours.
So and then besides that, yeah, just check out Silo.
You know, season two of the Sonic Points is out.
Silo has significant revenue, right?
So that is part of the equation in the points matrix.
So you will you will earn a hefty reward for your time.
And then, yeah, yeah, I think that's it from my side.
I would say maybe like, you know, consider XSilo, our tokenomics.
We use 50% of all the revenue generated by the app to buy back our token and redistribute it to XSilo stakers.
It works very similarly to ex-shadow.
We are criminally undervalued, not financial advice.
But anyway, yeah, thank you, guys.
Thank you for having me.
Amazing.
Great hair and lots of gains.
That's what I like to hear.
I'm leaving this hour feeling super bullish.
Who wants to go next?
I think we have Prakash and then we have Sh i can go next on this like uh guys super excited for the dg honestly
everybody's hands on deck and uh we are pretty excited like we have been uh we got into uh
putting out uh video content and like the whole story so yeah we are following that vibe which is pretty new
like in terms of showcasing what we have done so far so it's been like four years and
comes to like day zero and pretty excited for it honestly and if you need any gpus if you need
anything on the agentic side and we have been doing some amazing stuff in text to video and image to video as well like
like in terms of uh price point it is the cheapest in the world right now and the reason for it
because it runs on deep in compute so yeah pretty aggressive on the whole whole segment of uh
uh defy ai and uh ai itself like we guys work on the base layer of it.
Pretty excited to get you guys as many machines as we can.
Yeah, pretty happy.
One more thing, I think we logged in
like 10.7 million in ARR this week.
It's been pretty amazing.
Yeah.
Very nice. TGE in the pipeline. We all love this season, don't we guys? Shadow, did you want to
give your last words? And then what life hack are you trying, sir?
Yeah, so firstly, for the for the last words, this might actually come as a bit of a curveball
because I've been talking like the infra and like dev tooling side of things. But yeah,
Trainsight is going to be coming out with a
d5 product um can't say too much about it now uh but it's related to indices so like what you'd expect with real world baskets um and like like asset baskets uh indices tracking market conditions
and macro factors so yeah keep an eye out for that.
That's going to be what that is essentially
is our own like DeFi product built on top of our tooling.
And I guess I can say this or tease it, but actually never
mind.
Yeah, OK, if you hear something about hear something about hyper liquid you didn't hear it
from from me um you're gonna keep the suspense shadow oh and yeah the life hack I think the
I probably have to go is Mew Mew um it's very practical
very practical. Guys, amazing. Yes, guys, there's actually a survey that Chainsight just posted,
which Shadow kind of alluded to. If you guys don't mind, because you guys are like on chain
trading, this actual survey is going to help their CTO product and everything kind of get a good
feel of what, you know, real entree traders would like to see as far as like tradable
indices. They have been actually working on this for a while. They, I don't know if you guys have
seen or heard before, but Sean Pei, the CTO, he's actually, he does research and publishes papers
with the University of Keiko in Japan. So they came up with this methodology and this is where
they have like the index, the indexes, the methodology behind it, Chainsight 20.
And that's what they're using, actually, the actual methodology to actually build these
tradable products that Shadow kind of touched upon.
So, yeah, it would be great to get your feedback.
Guys, once again, thank you so much for joining us.
Love the energy.
All of you guys, you guys are all on my DMs.
Let's continue with the networking
follow each other please connect i think you know ai is taking over you know everything is is is
going to be automated but the only thing left behind is going to be like the people us right
the ones the real speakers the connection the people that are networking and actually building
these products so once again follow each, follow each other's communities.
I'm a big Sonic holder myself, full disclosure. So I'm really stoked and bullish
on everything that's being built.
Thank you so much, guys.
And we will see you next time.
Thanks for the invite.
Bye, everyone.
Have a good one.
Bye.
