I'm on a mission, it just hittin', I was hittin', hittin' with mittens, I'm missin', wishin'
I'm bustin' like sun and water while fishin', bust a mitten, it's worth, serve words with
nerve, embedded, I'm sayin' word, damn, you nerd, man, you heard, comin' from the tellin',
I'm illin', now these are full of fillies and rouse suckers can sell you soundin', foundin'
now these are rouse, real, so here we go, now holla at ya, hear me, oh, come and feel me,
fluff, never mixin' with trickin' brothers, bitch, you know what fixin's that ain't fittin'
to be hittin' for nothin', spittin', fixin', spittin' and gettin' written off, you're like
the pattern, bad pattern, boy, you're pushin' me, yo, boy, you ain't just started, so what,
so long, see, you fly by my fly, how's could I say it when you play it, fly, boom, fly,
fly, fly, fly, fly, here we go, now holla at ya, hear me, oh, come and feel me, fluff,
bro, here we go, now holla at ya, hear me, oh, come and feel me, fluff, bro, poetical,
with skills only a bad, no bad, I know where the weather flow, it's on point like that's
the most man-handlin' new food, partyin' with the suit group, lookin' for the fakin'
poo-poos, I thought you knew two stole styles, it's dammin', a jammin', and why we playin'
in the gym, we bust, bust with a party, energy damage, it's managing damage, it might
smith, and even mannequins, you're a fan again, I'ma wanna know who's the man again,
Naughty's back like vertebrae's work that, hey, I hope, the way I show you, pray I flow,
steady breakin' to the boogie, so better time to slang-bang and watch holla protect,
tag, tag, tag, here we go, now holla at ya, hear me, oh, come and feel me, fluff,
here we go, now holla at ya, hear me, oh, come and feel me, fluff,
playin' king, you break the body up, a beat, the beat, the break, it's a poogie,
firm and fully chased, bass, slums, and waves, all we wanna know is if your body wanna
party, it's the poo, tag, tag, for everybody, so rip up, it's better, get up, get up,
you're weird, I'm souped up, put your dukes up, no but set up a singer, flip up, watch
us rip up, shake souls until they piss up, rinse up, like you're with us,
have nots in book, you're lip up, rip up, hits will dance, some foul stabs get
in, once we came back, cause we heard it, pop needed another anthem, black like
Noah, blacked it for ya, that we was back in the days with the judges, we'd have
been known as the Blows, Germany since the seventies, farm me, so we went crazy
in the eighties, so we woke his hineys in the nineties, oops, the noughties,
troops in sections of forties, so clap your hands and ho...
GM, GM everybody, I hope you are having an amazing Saturday, we still have two
more minutes of intro, so hop into the comments, drop a GM retweet the space,
we're gonna be starting soon, and I know guys brought a graphite metal
into the Miami, so I think it's time to bring those vibes back, so let's go!
The Miami, the bass, and the sunset low, every day like a Mardi Gras, everybody
party all day, no work, all play, okay, so we sip a little something, leave the rest to spill,
me and Charlie at the bar, running up a high bill, nothing less than ill,
but we dress together, every time the ladies pass, they be like, I win!
All ages and races, real sweet faces, every different nation,
Spanish, Asian, Indian, Jamaican, black, white, Cuban, and Asian,
I only came for two days of playing, but every time I come I always find
I'm staying, just the type of town I can spend a few days in, Miami, the city
that keeps the roof closing.
Let's go everybody, great for show, 238!
GM GM guys, super excited about today's episode, also hyped
about the last episode, because Axiom Space was such a success,
the art is in space, so congrats to everyone who
took part in that mission, it's absolutely unbelievable, it's incredible
and I'm also super hyped that we are hosting amazing
guests today, Lawrence Fluhr and Vincent Donofrio, it's going to be an amazing
talk about Graphite Method and Winter Garden Journey, and also explore
how Lawrence and Vincent are pushing the boundaries of digital art
and web3 space in general, so super hyped, before we say hi to them,
I want to say hi to my co-host today, Beast and Kino, and our special guest
Bayman, so Beast, how are you doing today, what's good? Yo, GM2 everyone,
I'm doing well man, I'm in the mountains, so I'm co-hosting
today from some fresh air, which is amazing,
and I'm super pumped also, like talking to Lawrence
and Vincent, I mean, it's fucking incredible
so I'm super curious about the Winter Garden, and about all the
stuff that they are cooking, so super happy to be here.
Man, I watched those videos on Vimeo, and it's such
an amazing art, oh my god, but we're going to pin it later
guys, so you can check it out too, and I have to say it's really
unbelievable, really amazing, so can't wait to talk about it more.
Tino, how are you doing today, what's good with you man? GM, GM, what's up, really really good
having a great Saturday, bit of work, still have some stuff
to do, so I'll drop off in like half an hour
or so, so no disrespect to the guest, but I just have to run, and I
couldn't have missed this show, because I'm super excited, always when somebody
is pushing boundaries and innovating in terms of our space, so
really excited, and GM guys.
GM, GM, I also want to say hi to Bayman, he organized this episode
and helped us to invite our guest, so Bayman, how are you doing today?
GM, GM, I'm super excited man, this is going to be a great
show, I'm going to be like just fan-boing here
for Lawrence and Vincent, I think that
like you said, they're pushing the boundaries in such awesome positive
ways, and they're opening the doors for new fans to come into the
Web3 community and expand our circle, so yeah, I'm super
excited. Yeah, let's fucking go.
Let's fucking go man, I'm trying to do really quick intro because
I can't wait to talk to you guys, so I also see
Nima, or Nima, correct me if you get it right man. Nima,
welcome here, founder of Layer,
I know guys you co-lapped on this drop, so how are you doing today?
Doing well, doing well, thank you so much for asking. So yeah, I'm with Layer, I'm one of the
founders here at Layer, and we are the technology team behind
this fabulous drop that's going to be done by Lawrence, Graphite Method,
Amazing, definitely want to learn more, so really grateful that you joined us on stage,
and guys, I think now it's the time to invite our guest on stage,
Lawrence, and behind the Graphite Method account is Vincent, so this
is for you guys, let's fucking go. GM, GM, welcome to the show.
Let's fucking go, GM, GM.
GM, GM guys, how are you doing today?
GM, doing well this morning.
Yeah, excited to talk to you guys about what we have coming up, and
also to chat more with Vincent about our art.
I think this is, it's really fun to
discuss what we're doing to the community.
mic trouble. Let me text about that.
I'm here in the meantime.
Perhaps Anima, you can speak about the technology behind it while
Vincent is getting his microphone.
Yeah, I think I would start, you know, before Vincent
figure out a mic, I will use that moment to actually ask
Lawrence, because when I did the research, what have you done, you know,
and about what you're doing, my most favorite question is usually
how did you end up in this space, you know, because this space is so wild
and it's also so innovative. We've talked to
amazing artists here in the show, so what was your journey
So basically, my journey to Web3 was
a discovery of digital art in
trying to find out that connection between poetry
and visual art, animating paintings and putting my
spoken word to it, which my poetry
was sort of coming out of this time when I was
discovering new realms of
my acting sort of inside of myself and expressing that through
journals, and they became this sort of poetic narrative
over time, and suddenly I realized I'd written
these books of poetry that were sort of
on my shelf, you know, and then
I wanted to find that connection between
the visual art and poetry because I was writing
this screenplay about my late father, who was an art critic, and his
life was dedicated to discovering the connection between language
it occurred to me that poetry is much like visual art
in the way that symbols, visual symbols correspond with
the symbols of language, and then I started
making the pieces in the style that I do, and I was just doing it
because out of interest, out of passion, out of love
for the discovery, but then
like much of us here, I heard
the word NFT in a Twitter space, sorry,
clubhouse room, you know, it was probably
one with Paimon and Art Jedi and
Victoria and the people listening,
and that sort of kicked off my journey, and I've just been obsessed
ever since, it's sort of been all day, every day ever since.
yeah, and then I met Vincent through
Twitter actually, which I never
that Twitter would be such an amazing connector as it is,
probably like a lot of us, our relationship to Twitter
beforehand was sort of, just sort of putting our
opinions out there and whatever, and posting ideas and things like that,
and then it's become this amazing network
that has included some of the top digital
art collectors in the world, and also movie stars that I've looked
up to since I was a kid, and then since
I've been one of those actors I think that
sort of guided my path is one of the reasons I wanted to become an
actor, and showed me in performances like
these other film characters that he took on that were transformational,
actually what was possible with the medium of acting, that it
wasn't just something that showed up in
red lines, but it was an art form that could push
boundaries, and still he's doing that.
I just went to the premiere of Echo on Monday
and what he does with the character of King Paine is
amazing, and I look forward to when Vincent
came on mic and hear a bit more about his
own journey with it all, and
coming to Web3 and working with us.
Lawrence, this is such an amazing story, and I absolutely love how many amazing
artists actually Clubhouse brought into the space, right?
I remember it back in the day too, and it's really inspirational, and when you mentioned
that you guys met through the Twitter, that's another amazing
thing in this space. I never met so many people online
in Web3, and we definitely
are going to talk about Art Basel, so we meet IRL too, and those are
one of the highlights actually of 2023 for me.
Meeting friends from Twitter or X, IRL is always the best,
so I absolutely love the story and journey of what you just said, man.
So yeah, I just got a text from Vincent
that he's trying, maybe he's ragging? Maybe Vincent, I will try to
remove you from the stage and try to request again, so that could fix
the issue, and let's see, it usually
works, so I just dropped Vincent down and invited
him back on stage, so let's see if
that's going to fix the problem.
That usually does fix the problem.
on stage, Lawrence, what excites you most
about Web3 and NFT and blockchain technology
before we start talking about what you guys are cooking right now?
Yeah, I think it's that unique digital ownership
is really the thing that's revolutionary
for what we're doing. It's sort of like
what was once a very esoteric medium, and what was once
super conceptual, can now
have a whole different place in culture and in people's lives,
and that it can be collected and owned and appreciated
alongside other art forms,
and valued in a completely different way.
That is really what I think
blew my mind in why I also decided to become
a collector as well. I have 7000 NFTs cross-chain
of mostly artwork. I have some PFPs too,
but I think digital ownership
really was what did it for me, and as soon as I heard
the concept of what an NFT was, I was
hooked. It didn't take too much
more than that. I suppose,
for one thing, I've been an obsessive DVD collector
my whole life, and I have
thousands of DVDs. I don't know how many DVDs,
but that format of a DVD is now pretty much irrelevant.
I was collecting DVDs because of my obsessive love for cinema,
which is such an esoteric medium,
but now the DVDs are completely valueless. They're nice to look at on
the shelf, and there's something about them
is kind of sad. I guess it's like someone with an old record
collection. They were passionate
about it, but it wasn't, and it can't
be in future, a medium that survives, a format
that survives. The music is going to survive for
sure, but the format of the record tape is
Same for me with CDs. I have such a huge collection of
CDs, and the cars, they don't even have a CD player. Computers,
they don't have CD players, so it's very difficult to actually play them
these days. You need to keep some really old
player to play music that I've been collecting since
It's really wild, and I love what you said. Let's try Vincent
if his mic is on, and if it works. Vincent,
unmute and let's try if it works. Then we'll have to find
another trick how to get you here, how to fix that.
there's a button that says on mic.
Yes, so if you just press that button if you're there,
it should turn into mic on, and we should be good.
Okay, cool. His assistant's going to
head over to his place and see if she can.
Amazing. Dino just DM me with a solution,
so he can clone Vincent's voice through AI
and Vincent can send us DMs
We're moments away from that. We're on the verge of doing that.
That's the one thing that we haven't,
I don't think, that we will AI. Actually, the writing and
the voice, that's the two things we won't AI.
Everything else we're like, we're AI.
We're trying to keep that human essence,
that human voice that's speaking throughout
the one thing that doesn't get taken over by a machine.
like guards at the gate of the human soul.
I think we have Vincent in.
Hi, everyone. How are you doing?
Well, and we are so happy that you joined us today. That's amazing. Thank you so much.
Thanks, man. It's good to be here. Hey, Lawrence.
So what are we talking about? Vincent, we started talking about the
Lawrence journey into Web3, so
I would love to ask you also, how did you end up here in this space?
Lawrence. Basically, I saw a piece of his
article on Twitter, and I loved it, and
He came to one of my shows at Joe's Pub, right, Lawrence?
Yeah, I came to New York to see Vincent perform poetry
life. It was brilliant. Yeah, and then we just started talking about doing stuff
It's really amazing how Twitter and X can connect
people together. I love to hear that from you guys
and I love that you connected and you actually started working together
on a graphite method. So, could you tell us
a bit more what is graphite method, actually?
Well, basically, it's just
Lawrence and I creating art and pushing
this kind of filmic poetry as far as we can
go with it. It seems like there's
what we kind of talked about the name of the
company, and I guess graphite method was a combination
of a couple of ideas that we had.
We feel like it represents us well.
The main thing that we do, I mean,
Lawrence is on the west coast and I'm on the east coast
but this collaboration seems to work really well where we both
write content and we both have
ideas that are sometimes separate from each other but
most of the time mutual and we're able to create
these things and go back and forth
we're just trying to make an art.
We're trying to do some cool stuff
and stuff that means something to us and
it's all coming from our individual expression and
sometimes our mutual expression.
This new stuff, this winter garden
stuff was originally Lawrence's idea
and I had this idea of doing
the two ideas and so part of the
also filmic, not only stills but
seems to be working out. We're kind of happy with the way
it's coming. It's exciting stuff
but the idea of telling story
all of you artists live in, this web
three kind of world, it's fascinating
do emotionally based stuff and
some kind of edgy storytelling
put themselves into, just absorb it and
fill their own thoughts into
our pieces as they play in front of them.
It just keeps coming. We keep
writing and we keep developing these
Lawrence sent me the meals
and they were so awesome. I really enjoyed it. I don't know if
they're like, if I can share them or not, just let me know guys
because I would love to pin something so people can see the art and experience it.
Yeah, I'm not sure the whips should be shown yet
but we should show them when they're finished. Did you see the whips
of the filmic one? Yeah, I mean those are really
yeah, I think we should wait until they're done but they're in good shape
Yeah, I think so. I shared a still
on so that people can see some of the visuals
themselves, I can't wait to share with people when it's
We're nearly done. I do have more details that I need to put in
but we're very nearly done
with that and I think Vincent's concept of
having these moving portraits
I think came from when we were walking around
in Miami and we saw that Christie's exhibition
that's when you started talking to me about it anyway
but I think just that idea of having
someone's portrait that's moving
and moving like a painting and really
bringing in the performance aspect of it and bringing in
the reading of the poetry
very front and center to the piece
and also that being so in line with figurative painting
and the figurative painting that I have loved
portraiture in a completely
new way that technology has enabled us to express
a portrait with all these components
to it. It's just sort of, I don't know, it just really hasn't
quite been possible in this way before.
just beginning with this stuff. It's very new
to me. It's not new to Lawrence but it's all very new to me
this world that all of you live in
genuine. I think it's endless
where we can go with this stuff
especially the kind of stuff that Lawrence and I are doing.
I mean it inspires me so much
and when I was down in Basel I was so
enlightened by so many different artists down there and their
stuff and exactly, I'm learning slowly exactly what
this world means. There's so much
story to tell through this kind of
this arc that I can't see us slowing
down. I write every morning
and Lawrence and I, we discuss
visuals constantly and it all seems to be
moving in a very kind of, I don't know how to say it really. It's kind of inspirational.
Talking about our Basel beast, could you pin that article
about Graphite Metal in Miami?
Yes, definitely. It's so awesome guys.
When I checked the article I saw Alexandra Art. She actually lived here in Prague
I think where we are from. So I met her a few times too.
The Web3 world is so small that's amazing.
hang out with us for a full day. We met up with her in the morning
and we were just supposed to have breakfast and then she just got
excited I think by our adventures and then she
ended up hanging out with us until midnight.
That was great to have Alex with us.
like, I mean, we must have met
hundreds of people. It was just constant wasn't it? It was just like from one event
to another and then just meeting dozens of people every
occasion. The community is so nice. I mean everybody's
to be around them and everybody's just talking about their
struggles and talking about
what they've succeeded at and what they're making and what they
want to make and what they wish they could make and what
they've seen of other people's stuff.
It was a really good vibe, amazing vibe.
to talk to artists. We basically started this show
with web3artists like two years ago
and their stories and all the inspiration
and what they had to go through, it's always incredible to hear.
100% agree with you Vincent.
How was the Miami guys? Did you also have an exhibition there?
Sorry, I was just unpalmiking. We actually had
I think five or six exhibitions. We were at the Sagamore
with Makers Place and Transient Labs. We had a piece
and we had a couple exhibitions with Nulcher Shows who are great.
We're going to keep working with them. We've got something also lined up for NFT
and YC with Nulcher Shows and
we're talking to them about Consensus in Austin as well.
They always managed to put on a great event.
I'm going to feel terrible.
I think we had another one.
I've pinned up our trailer
for our adventures out there
that kind of show more that's pinned at the top.
The opening shot I got with a drone
that Vincent bought me and we were carrying that around and playing with it.
It definitely came in handy.
I think you also did a piece at the base house too, man.
Oh shit. I knew I was going to feel that.
Of course, I had a piece with Nima and
a layer curated by Paimon
at the base house as well.
That was where we met actually.
We met Nima through Paimon
at Scope one night in Miami
and then we started talking about what else we could do and what else is cooking.
started talking about Wintergarden.
You didn't know each other before Miami with Paimon?
Paimon I've known for almost three years now, right Paimon?
First day on Clubhouse probably early 2021.
an amazing job curating us for Wintergarden.
He's really been an incredible advocate of
the collection and his passion is
infectious. Talking to him on the phone about our plans is always
such a joy. He's always got this amazing energy
about the art and about what we can do
and it's just infectious.
It just drives you and motivates you forward.
And Paimon also, you were part
of that axiom space mission. That's incredible.
I have one more question to Vincent. Vincent, did they convince you to buy
Anyone? I don't know. I'm just kidding.
Nima has amazing crypto punks. Where are you actually thinking about
maybe getting some art or
some PFP collection, whatever.
I'm looking all the time at stuff. Lawrence is very helpful when it comes to that.
Helping me search it out.
I'm so excited by this stuff.
I'm looking for pieces that I
really want that really make me feel something.
buying things here and there. I don't want to just buy anything.
I recently got something of
Lawrence's that I really liked. I have a couple of
things. I've been looking.
Vincent has actually pretty nice art collection
I remember my first collection was a few pieces.
Check out his collection on Tezos. I would recommend that for sure.
I will definitely check them out.
Thank you, Lawrence. Guys, also check the pinned tweets.
You can find more info there. If you don't want to go through them right now,
because it's also video, just bookmark them and you can read them after the space.
That's the alpha. Also, if you have any questions, drop them
into the comments. I will go through them and I will ask
our guests. Beast, I see you unmuted. Go ahead, brother.
Yeah, since we talk NFTs, I'm actually curious, guys,
when you look into art NFTs, what do you look into?
Is it the story of the artist or is it the
visuals? How do you think about it? How to
get one, actually? What's the most interesting?
I think it's the art itself that's interesting to me.
And then that moves me towards the actual artist.
It's always fascinating to meet an artist
for the first time and develop an understanding
of who they are and what they're trying
to do. But I think I would imagine most
people, I'm similar to most people,
whereas it's the art itself
that kind of sucks me in.
so amazing. You can't take your eyes off
of it. So I think it's the art
first and then, of course, learning about the artist.
Amazing. Do you have it the same way, Lawrence?
about the piece? I think it's
I got into this really obsessive
behavior of collecting, especially
in the first couple of years where I looked at
some of my stats. It was something like picking up
something like 34 pieces a day.
I don't know what came over me. I think it was
the revelation of digital ownership of art
just sort of possessed me for a couple of years.
And obviously, I've slowed down since then
a lot more. And I think that's the case for most collectors in space too.
has been sort of slowing down and really thinking about
each acquisition. But art collecting has been
with me since I was a kid. Actually, I come from an art world family
and I raised some money to move
to America, to move to Los Angeles when I was
that I had bought a few years before.
And my apartment is full of
physical art, like prints and paintings that I picked out over the years too.
So it's always been with me, that aspect.
yeah. So I think what I first
look at when I want to make an
acquisition for my own collection is
where the artist is coming from as well.
How much is there beneath the surface of this story that they're telling?
a keyhole into something much larger?
Does it tell like an aspect
the bigger picture? That for me
and talking about NFTs and
especially in PFP world, we always talk
about utility, utility, utility.
Whenever we talk with artists, the art is utility.
Do you also think about some new ways how to engage with your
collectors? Because you can definitely do something more than with
traditional art, because you know who owns your pieces,
Yeah, about using, you mean using the blockchain as a form
of storytelling? Yeah, I think so for sure. I mean like with this collection
that we have, it's like where we have
a collection of stills, one of which you can see at the top
that corresponds to the cinematic work
and that's something that I'm really interested to explore.
I've been experimenting a little bit with that and Rust
which Vincent actually acquired the other day
that's in my pin tweet, that he acquired the one of
one cinematic work and there's a collection of stills that accompanies
it and the way that they interact with each other is that depending
the collector gets from the Rust series corresponds to what
cinematic piece that they receive.
So I think it's really interesting form of storytelling to have
a collection of stills that are telling one aspect
to the story and then cinematic works that are telling another
and then relating to each other.
I think it's like, I agree with what Lawrence was saying
I think it's a little bit of a journey to go on.
The idea of presenting not just
one piece but either a triptych
or this winter garden thing that Lawrence was just explaining.
I think it's the idea of listening
to the words, watching the visuals in the filmic
and then going through the stills
that you've heard in your head
and experiencing a little further
than what was in the piece
It's sort of a journey that we're trying to put you on
and it works and it seems
to either work either way you want
you can start with the stills and then move
with these moving portraits or you can do it the opposite way around
you can look at the filmic piece
the portrait that moves and as it's playing
and you're listening to the words that are written
you can go through the stills.
The idea of it being a kind of journey
and experience because the stuff is all based
The two pieces, the one that Lawrence wrote and the one that I wrote
it's about the human experience
stuff that we can all obviously relate to
and we all had different feelings about
that's the most exciting thing for me
because it's endless what you can do really
so this is a direction that Lawrence and I seem to be going in
this kind of storytelling.
We did this thing that Makers Place exhibited at Art Basel
it was the triptych of three pieces
Welcome to My World was one, Penny was another one
and the master was another one
and Penny was a very popular piece because it told a story
it was the actual true story that was told about an experience
in this case about an experience in my life
they had the portrait on an easel
and it's a moving portrait so it's basically a monitor framed really nicely
and you hear the story and you experience the visuals and we were able to
create the main character from my memory
to look at because we actually were able to
get as very close to the memory of the way this person
looked in my mind and looked
and we're really going into
the visuals that seem sometimes like memories
or just journeys of a human experience of some kind
and sometimes we're making really firm
statements and sometimes we're making kind of
statements but it's all about the human experience
all the visuals and the poetry
I've been obsessed with memory and I think that
anyone interested in method acting has got to be very curious
about how memory functions
memory tricks that go back to Greek orators and stuff like that
because I was like how does our cognitive memories work
how do associations work, how do memories
have such a powerful effect on us
which is the exploration of method acting
something that Vincent teaches actually at
the top institution for method acting in New York
something that I've studied as a student
that memory I think is really important for actors
everyone's so interested in how do you learn all those lines
how do you memorize lines
but that's the end point, that's how it comes out at the end
what we're really memorizing is happening going on in our
imagination and now it's like for the first time we can really
pull that out and see what's going on in an actor's imagination
and sort of play with memories
outside of ourselves and I think that's a really
fun thing for us as actors as like an evolution of
not an evolution of method acting but almost like
opening up what before was closed
and pulling it out and seeing it and showing other people
I've pinned up one of the visuals at the top
this is Deep guys, I absolutely love discussion today
it's absolutely amazing, what was your
thinking process behind the Winter Garden
picking up the theme of Winter Garden and the name
Winter Garden I think basically
is, I mean it worked perfectly
with Vincent's concept for the portrait because
it's very organic, things
things that come out of the garden seem to go really well
with the human flesh and like a snail crawling across
a person's face or a hummingbird
a person's expressions and for them
that Vincent wanted these images
to morph with the human face so for us
to be talking and then for that to morph into a flower
at some point and then morph back to a performance
so those organic shapes I think really complimented the human expression
if we were going to choose anything
but I don't know, we haven't experimented with other themes yet
so maybe that will still work too to have it not a garden
the last thing I want to say about it is that Winter itself
is such, and we've just come out of holidays
so I don't know if you guys also feel this way about holidays
it's such like an emotional time
and it's that habitual thing of having been with
this really bonding experience with your family every year
really contemplative and I think warm
inside but also it can feel really lonely too
even when you are with the people you love sometimes
you feel really lonely and so I think it's a great time
to write poetry and it's a great time to explore
art at that time so that's sort of why
and it's still really cold in L.A. which is unusual
freezing today in New York, it's like amazing how cold it is right now
that I just wanted to add to what Lawrence said when he was talking about the
visuals on the pieces that we made
of the ones where they're actually moving
portraits is it's amazing how
take you out of the story like in other words you're watching this
thing and you're hearing these words, very specific words
about very specific things and you're
seeing these visuals like a hummingbird can come into it or
a snail or a flower and you're not
taken out of the story when these visuals
appear. It's amazing that
if it all, if the choices that are
made are organic and the words are coming from
an emotional place, again a human experience, I know I've said that a lot
but none of it takes you out of the story, none of it
makes you feel oh well what's that, like what is that, it's all
flows and it's all kind of, it feels like it belongs
somehow, some way, it feels like it belongs
I love that, I love that, it's really
I absolutely love today's talk guys
for me it's so refreshing
it's something we haven't talked about
recently so it's amazing. How is actually
the drop structured? We talked that there are like three cinematic pieces so
if you could tell us a little bit more, when actually you guys dropping
We're dropping the collection, I think it's at
the end of this month, right Nima? Nima and Paimon
do you want to talk about that? Yeah, we haven't made the
final announcement but it's looking like it's going to happen towards the end of the month, we're trying to pick the right time
and the day to do this, but ultimately everything will be ready by next week
but we want to have promotional work, we want to get the word out
and we want to have as much of these spaces as possible before we go live
so it's looking like the end of the month
and the drop as well, like the mechanics
do you want to talk about that too? Yeah, sure
there's going to be three types of collections
we're going to have a one-on-one, we're going to have an open edition that will last
a given period of time, not too long, but not too short as well
we want to make sure people have enough time to mint and then we're going to
have a unique collection set, so there's going to be a
unique collection of one-on-ones on an E720
I'm sorry, ERC 721, a contract and there's going to be about
500 unique artworks for that, so three different collections
under one drop and it's all going to happen on base
but you won't just need base to mint if you want to use credit
or debit card, we're going to enable fiat transactions as well to make it super easy for
anyone that wants to collect
Why did you guys choose the base actually?
So for many reasons, one, Lawrence had asked
if it was possible to do it on base, we said yes, Lawrence and I
actually met through a collaboration that we did during Miami Art Week
in Miami, Face House, and we connected with the base
team and they were ecstatic about this, so all the moving parts
Yeah, I think it's really, I love how the community
right now is embracing layer 2s, and
that different chains are being explored too, and that that's
a movement that's happening, I think it brings more of a focus to the art
as well as these different projects that exist
It's great that base is a layer 2 and it's really easy to work with EVM
I found it really easy to use when we did
is interesting, they have a huge
user base and they have a huge
massive piece of the web 3 puzzle
So it's an interesting project
How do you think about layers, and also maybe layer 1
Ethereum as an artist, how important
We have ordinals on Bitcoin, we have
layer 1, now we have layer 2s that are getting popular
How does it play a role in your thinking process about where you're
going to drop your collection?
Well, I think it can be really interesting
we've actually been developing an ordinal for Bitcoin
When I was first approached about that
on the phone and I was like, well, there's some factors that are
going to be different about this, because like our cinematic
work, it has to be at least like 100 megabytes
because of it being an MP4
But on Bitcoin that's just not possible
because of the cost to inscribe that
It would just be ridiculous, but also I don't think
they can inscribe MP4s at the moment
and then all of a sudden we start talking about
Vincent had this idea that it could be
a piece that plays over time
and that's totally possible, that it's a story
that changes with each day
and tells like a different frame
I don't know, Vincent, do you want to talk a little bit about
no fear, no greed, no envy, because
we're not coming close to
releasing that yet, but I think that's a great example about
how the blockchain informed our artwork and our process
Vincent, I'm not sure if you are
ragging, I can't hear you right now
Can we try again that Vincent stepped down?
We are talking with Lawrence and Vincent about their
Let's wait till he gets back up
Meanwhile, I think it would be really dope to talk
a little bit about the layer, what you guys are doing for artists
I'm just reading your website, like
Layer is a platform that simplifies the NFT creation and empowers you to
your career, could you tell us a little bit more, Nima?
Yeah, of course, so Layer is an art platform
allowing artists to come in and launch collections super easily
and super quickly with zero coding experience
whatsoever, we make it very easy because we support
Ethereum and various other EVM chains, such as Avalanche
we support Polygon, we support Arbitrum,
Bass, and a few others as well, Optimism, it's all your own
contract as well, and we've simplified it to the
point where you actually don't need to pay any gas fees to
list your collections, it's actually all free, so we took the
lazy minting component and actually deployed that over to the contract, so
we've enabled lazy contract deployment features, so if you're an
artist and you want to test out a few collections, and this is really suitable
for smaller bass artists who don't have too much money, who want to get
into the game and test things out without paying any fees whatsoever
come to our platform, launch a collection, it's free to use, and
yeah, it's pretty cool, and the user experience is
super easy to use, I actually challenge anyone to go in and try it out yourself
it literally takes about 5 minutes to get some artwork up onto the blockchain
and actually, Nima, could you talk about
the close to zero gas fees that you guys have
mastered, I really feel like that's a huge
part of what Layer does, and it's going to pretty much
help both collectors and the creators
would you elaborate on that a little bit, please?
Yeah, sure, so what Penguin is alluding to, there's two aspects of this, so we've optimized
our contracts so that gas fees are super low when it comes
to minting, and then on the creation side, if an artist wants
to come and create or launch a collection, there are no gas fees
and again, that's through lazy contract deployment,
so you come in, you set the parameters to your contract, you list it
and then the fees are actually carried over to the collector, but that fee is very
miniscule as well, because you optimize the contract to make it
cost effective and affordable.
That's amazing, I was minting my collection, it was
$11.55, just one piece, and I used
moneyfall, and I really had to pay like
I'm hearing eco right now, oh, now good, I had to pay like $100
I think for that to put it on chain, so
this is amazing, guys. Yeah, I appreciate it,
and again, going back to helping the smaller artist,
it's really great with experimentation, so let's say I have five different collections
and I have a new online community that I'm trying to
engage and grow, and if I want to launch those five and it costs $500
per collection, I'm looking at $500, so it's not really a good testing point
whereas with Layer, you can come in, launch those five collections, and it'll cost you absolutely nothing
and let's say one of them does well, you can go ahead and actually
delete the other four and save them for another time, or maybe for another chain, or even
another platform if you decide to go somewhere else.
Wow, that's really interesting,
I never heard about anything like that, so that's awesome. I also see
Vincent on stage, Vincent, can you hear us, are you back?
Yeah, I'm back, can you hear me?
Yes, we can hear you well, that's epic, thank you so much Nima
for sharing, I definitely will dive deeper into what you guys are doing
because it's really interesting, and it makes so much sense, right, because
as an artist, it's impossible to pay $500
to make your art, and it can get
really expensive. Yep, and another point I wanted to mention,
we offer three sales mechanics, $11.55 for
fixed and open editions, and also one of ones,
ERC 721s at the same time for
drop mechanics, so if you want to drop a collection of $500 or $1000
artworks, like a generative art collection, you can actually do so
on our platform as well, so one of ones, $11.55
Nima, what about minting on multiple chains,
I don't know if you mentioned that, because that's another thing that is really attractive
about layer. Yep, I mentioned that early on
Ethereum. No, no, it's okay, no worries.
But we're definitely looking to expand our offerings and
partner with more artists such as Lawrence and Vincent,
Paimon, he's an artist as well as a curator, so we
have some of his artworks as well, and we're really trying to morph into
an organization that really pushes the boundaries of
WEF 3 and art, and I absolutely love Lawrence, what you
and Vincent have done with these moving portraits. I've actually never seen
anything like this in this space until today. Super creative and
Well, thanks. That's pretty cool of you to say. Thank you.
The thing that Lawrence was talking about
was we had already been discussing
doing triptychs, three pieces that
related to each other, and because in this
in the platform that we'd be working
we couldn't do our usual things, so we, like Lawrence said,
pieces that each piece changes every day
into another image, and so
of this idea to tell the story of United Artists,
which was the three iconic artists
So we had each of them in their
that would change, and one word or one short
sentence would float from the bottom of the frame
through the piece, through the image, to the top of the frame every day,
where you can do it as long as you want, but I think we decided
15 days to tell a story of
the birth of United Artists
and the downfall of it, and then a rebirth
We're still developing it
but we've seen it work digitally
and it's really quite something. My dream
somewhere where you would have these huge portraits
hanging on the wall, these huge monitors with frames, like paintings
of these iconic figures, and have them change
every day in a gallery, and like I said, one word
floats through the frame every day.
It was, and that was a great
sort of example of how, actually, even just the limitations
and inscribing on Bitcoin informed artistic process
in really unexpected and interesting way. That's actually
an amazing way to present a poem and a story and
attribute it. It came out of not being
able to do our usual thing.
We talked a bit about this piece
during Miami at the Bitcoin conference
with Gamma, and we're just talking to them at the moment about
minting and getting that ready. That's something we've been developing with
Ordinaly and Raph, one of the creators
We're also looking forward and talking to Nima
and Paimon about doing a collection on Ordinaly
and looking forward to what Layer is doing.
When I first looked at Layer, Paimon introduced
me to Layer. When I first looked at it,
I was astounded by how many tools they have already.
Usually when working with a platform, it's like a little bit here and there
and we wait for things to come out. I opened up their platform
and I was like, they already have all this? God,
they're really far on in their development
and the tools that they have for artists.
Definitely looking forward to doing more collections with them
and utilizing their different tools to tell stories.
I appreciate the kind words, Lorne.
Yeah, Layer definitely deserves all the accolades
that they get. I really want to encourage everybody
in the audience to try to just play around with it.
Yesterday we had a meeting with Super Chief where one of their
team members said, I always like to try the app
before I comment. It was so easy.
I did a couple of different projects that I have.
I minted them and it was super easy. Actually, it's funny.
Lawrence, that's what you said and others say that too, that the ease of
the use of Layer, yeah, I really appreciate
what they're doing and what I want to also
tell about Nima and his team is that they actually are here for the artists.
They're big fans and they're big supporters
of the artists community and I'm really excited that
they're here and I don't know if you can pull up the
Layer account so that others
can actually click on it and use the editor layer if we can.
That would be great. But yeah, I'm super excited.
I don't know, Lawrence, are you and Vincent open to doing
a reading today for the audience
or is that something for another
time perhaps? I mean, what do you think Vincent?
Should we read some Winter Garden? How do you feel about that?
What, the poetry that we wrote for it?
Yeah. I mean, that would be incredible.
It's pretty long but maybe if we each read like a little bit.
Lawrence, while you're queuing it up, I just
want to tell Vincent how much I love the
Kenny piece and I just couldn't. It was like two in the morning.
I had just finished a meeting overseas
and I was about to go to bed and I just saw
Lawrence's post and I just couldn't put it down, the phone
down. I was like, gosh, come on, do it tomorrow morning.
You have to get up at five but I couldn't.
I just kept going. I think it was almost 15 minutes
and it was just so captivating that I couldn't put the phone down
and just wanted to give you a shout out on that piece
particularly. Thanks, dude. I appreciate that.
This piece that I'll read is called
Why is it we even talk to strangers? There aren't any opinions that matter.
What looms will never bloom in my garden.
My sanctuary goes untouched. It's clean. It's clean.
Every bit, every morsel of unwanted information gathered
shuts me down. The waves roll in and don't ever
recede, pooling around me. I'm knee deep now
Solitude seems perfection. What will happen to us
then? Do we need to ask who do we sound off on?
The trees? The trees? They don't listen.
We listen to the trees. These trees are mute.
They whistle from the wind but not for us. They only whistle on her
Why is it we even talk to strangers? We sit.
They are jagged. These inner walls of our
cave. There is no light. These borders barely seen in darkness.
We find those drawings in the cracks. In our conscious
mess we search unconsciously for the strangers in the cave
with us. Now gone. Way gone. We've
tucked ourselves away. The splash
against a thing, a rock, a branch, a foot.
The water reflects nothing worthwhile after a while. After a while
we look beyond its surface. Our curiosity searches for something
new that swims. It swims. There's not ever
something new. Our day, it passes. We pretend that we have seen
many times something new. It's not.
The thoughts that fill us repeat.
They repeat. Nothing to touch in the desert but sand.
The sun's eye accuses us, says Eugene O'Neill.
Why is it we talk to strangers to check each other?
A knowing look, an uninvited smile, a gift not wrapped with pretense,
not wrapped with ruin. The kindness of strangers
again a quote from greatness. From a stranger to us all.
To acknowledge that we are not alone. To hear another voice much better than
an echo. Echoes are false comfort. Magic trick without the magic.
How pathetic the way we convince ourselves we don't need
another much better than the accidental sound
that sound which has no identity. Our mother, nature, cannot
be trusted. She's giving.
And it's true. She always does tell the truth. But some truth
brings a tragic end. Do not get blown over. Lean
into the rub of a shoulder. The circle of a group.
The gate. The eyes. The weak. The poor. The love
the other brings. The lift when it is needed.
The truth. The truth of solitude. It only
works in arm's length from others.
We must know. We never really sit alone.
Why is it that we talk to strangers?
Man, I'm having goosebumps. It's
the work in progress before also.
I can imagine the images with it also and the
music, the sound on the background. And it's fucking incredible.
Thank you, first of all, Vincent, for that amazing
visuals also. I just closed my eyes and
the whole piece. You brought it to life just by
doing a live reading right here for us. Thank you so much.
Very nice. Nice of you to say thanks, man.
guys. I listened to it while my eyes were closed and
such an amazing piece. Oh my god.
If people want to stay in touch or in a little bit,
what you guys do and what's the best way actually also to learn when
the final date for the drop is going to happen. Is it to follow
your account or you can fill some graphite method account on
I recommend everybody to follow both
Lawrence and the graphite
account because I don't know if anybody else
knows but Vincent is behind the graphic account,
graphite account, excuse me, and that's the best
way to connect with him and to keep your update
for any drops that they have coming together.
One other thing I wanted to also say that
Nima and I have been talking and with Lawrence and I'm hoping
that Lawrence has talked to you about it, Vincent.
We feel like the one of one piece definitely deserves to be in
one of the auction houses like Sotheby's or Crispy's so that's the goal.
I feel like every time I listen and see the visuals
also they go so well together and
they're so thought through and innovative like
it was mentioned earlier so we definitely believe that this is
this project and what you guys are doing deserves so much
attention and yeah so just wanted to put
that out there. If you're manifesting it to be on
for sure so yeah just wanted to add that.
If anyone can make it happen, Paimon, it's you man.
You're absolutely a great connector and advocate
yeah but I agree like and listening to
Vincent's poetry is always such a joy so
thank you for that live reading.
I can read a bit of my Winter Garden
too if you'd like. A hundred percent.
That would be awesome man.
I hope this finds you well. I wonder where the wind
has taken you. I asked a fish in the garden.
I couldn't hear what they said so I stepped in the
and first they swam away.
The longer that I stayed I heard their whispers
and they saw what we had in common with strength to realize from the
winter without triumphs within. Perhaps the falling leaves
don't just make the branches bare but show their true beauty beneath.
As time shakes away the fabrics we wrap ourselves in
the odellisks and heroes are unveiled.
The winter moon lights up everything from the inside like a peculiar vector
from the soul to eyes, hands, breath.
The grace of writhing branches, owls eyes and
frosted clouds work in tandem with the sky.
I've noticed the nights are getting colder and the moon getting
older, barely perceptible but for the extra shadows making
our days more precious. The fading light of beauty and the
looming shadows of technology. I know you feel it too.
There's something we must never let go. As our world
changes and speeds onto greatness outside of ourselves, like Prometheus
this gift of fire will consume us too. If we do not
cherish sentiment. The intuition that we've
been given, thought, feeling, perception, memory, a vast
sea wades inside of us and we stand at its shore plucking gifts from the harbor.
Families bound by customs and tradition
it's best to follow your intuition. Only we know that
which grows from within from the seeds we sow. Pearls start
to unfold out of shells as you pick them up and wrap around your wrists as hummingbirds
rest on the lips of an iris. It's a kiss lost in time
and parts of us are gated off with a moat and a rusty iron guard
and he's still there but he lets them past. I told him
about our conversations at the umbrella bar. Cracked and faded
chess pieces dried out on a windows mantel. Now who are they for?
And what fingers moved them on the board? Winter finds
in wooden corners heavens clippings on the floor. From
wings that once did soar. I know you'll embrace
the unknown as I do. There's so much mystery to how each day unfolds.
It's a little poem that I've been thinking
Thank you so much. So good. Thank you so much
both of you Vincent Lawrence. Absolutely incredible.
Thank you so much. I have a question actually for Lawrence and Vincent.
Have either of you connected with Lorepunk yet?
So she's a poet as well and she's a writer
for NFT Now. I can't believe I didn't think about this
early but I definitely have to connect you all with her.
Actually I've loved Lorepunk's articles
that she's written and I have connected a little bit with her but
it'd be great to hook us up Nima for sure.
She actually did the first poem on bass
on layer with us a long time ago during an on-chain summer with bass
which was quite some time ago I think.
I love to see how poetry is making its way into
One of the observations that I wanted to share also is
how you and Vincent's collaboration, the voice
besides the writing that really is amazing.
Your voices compliment one another
on these collabs so I just wanted to put that out there
also. I really feel like I've seen a lot of collaborations and
when it's organic like this and
it's really something that's never been done before
I have to always make sure
parties that are collaborating. This collaboration seems
so organic and like I said, you both complement
one another when I hear your voices.
expected to be or thought I'd be performing alongside
one of my heroes in performance
in the performing arts so it means a lot to me to be
doing that. I've learned a lot from Vincent as a poet
and as an actor in these experiences
like we're all sharing right now.
I know Vincent has to go in a couple minutes too.
for such an amazing show today
for sharing all the alpha about your drop and your
art process. It's really inspirational for me
I absolutely love that so I definitely
will check what you guys doing can wait for the drop. I'm really hyped
for that and Vincent if you want to share anything
before you go or maybe forgot to ask about anything
I think now is a great time.
I'm not sure if you're not ragging again.
If you are ragging I can also bring you again back.
Yeah I think he's ragging
maybe he wants to hop out and hop in to say goodbye
I remember Vincent from Speakers and I will try to bring him back
so yeah what a great episode guys I really
really enjoyed it. Thank you so much also for reading the poem.
Lawrence is there anything else that you would like to share
or add to the discussion today?
I think having this platform
commune in such a way with the
community as well. I mean it's just such a wonderful way
that this world is developing
so it gives me a lot of hope. I think Vincent's back.
Thank you for having us. Thanks a lot. I just wanted to say
that I tried to comment on
Lawrence's reading. I love the way
a really nice ending, Lawrence. I really like it.
you've learned from me, are you talking about my
no frills approach to things?
I think you have this amazing capacity to be quite
vulnerable actually in your approach to things
and that's like hard to do.
It's really something that you've got to train yourself to do
and I think it's what makes you the performer that you are.
Vincent before you leave, first of all thanks again for
coming to this space and sharing your
amazing poetry and doing a live reading. But also I want to
acknowledge you for being such a humble
artist. You are such a legend
to have you amongst us in this web3 community
and the way you handle yourself. I
didn't get a pleasure of meeting you in Miami. We missed each other but
I definitely have heard a lot of good stories that other friends
that have met you and how generous and how
humble you are with your time. I just wanted to acknowledge you for
that. I just wish you the best of luck with Lawrence's
brother to me and now I feel like you are
family too. I just wanted to say that I appreciate that about you.
Well, thank you. It's the community
that makes me feel comfortable.
It's quite a positive and
We all know that life is not always like that
Guys, I don't know if you hear anything but I lost Vincent a bit. I don't hear
anything right now. Yeah, me too.
He was saying something super insightful.
But technical difficulties.
Lawrence, I was watching some course about public speaking
and they said that actually taking pauses
during your talk is really important and it draws attention to your speech.
I think this is an amazing technique actually by Vincent.
He can take a break for a few seconds and everyone is like, what's happening?
Like maybe his character in the
movies or in the TV series. So Vincent, I will
try to bring you back again before you leave
and let's see if it's going to work. And meanwhile, Lawrence, if you want to add
anything or share anything before I get Vincent back, go ahead, man.
he's got a message that he's got to go just in case
he doesn't come back. But that was
that was a super cool ending, I think, anyway.
Even if we don't get him his final word.
Oh wait, he is back. Here we go. You got me?
Well, I just wanted to say before that
it's the community. Did you hear what I said before
or was that out cut out? Yeah, I think community was one of the
last words that I heard. I was just saying that I appreciate
It's really the community
that's just an exceptional place to be. It's a very
open and positive, creative
community and it's a very
comfortable community to be in
It's sort of like a right back at you, guys.
Thank you so much, Vincent.
We always say here that people in this space are the alpha.
We love connecting with other people, empowering artists
and enjoying these convos with you guys.
Thank you so much, Vincent, for joining us today. It was absolutely incredible.
Thank you so much. Thank you very much. I'll see you all.
Thank you, Vincent. See you.
Bye. Thank you, Vincent. Bye.
Grateful. It would be cool if you could
get some of those fans up on stage and ask some questions.
I think that the other day when you posted this, some of our
special friends were just fanboying and saying, oh my god, we love Vincent.
This collab is going to be
amazing. One other thing I wanted to also add is that we forgot to mention
that there will be a live reading of this
at one of the super chief, if not a couple of super chief
galleries when the release happens.
Lawrence would be in the west coast reading
and Vincent would be in New York.
There's a lot of really cool things that we have planned for
this release and moving forward.
I'm just super excited about this. Lawrence has been
such an amazing friend over the last three years and
I've witnessed his growth. I think the other day you posted something
like that. Grateful about Richard.
It's such an amazing feeling to be able to follow an artist
through the years and the way that they
continue to morph into the next stage of their
artistry. Lawrence definitely is someone that I've been admiring
and he inspires me daily to
push my own art as far as
I can. I look by the way forward to doing some collabs
with Lawrence and add some of my
whistling melodies to the collabs that he's doing with
Vincent down the line. There's so much
we have planned for and I'm just super jazz.
2024 is going to be a great year for all our artist
friends here in this space and the builders and the supporters.
I feel like I'm just really jazzed up about the
whole future of art in Web3.
Same here, Peimann. I'm super, super excited about this year
and I want to add one more thing because you talk about a lot of
very incredible stuff about how you
think about art. We talk also about the layers,
using layer one, layer two, and also what's happening. We still
not there yet, of course, but digital experiences and how
artists will be able to express themselves through digital worlds.
You probably guys know OM by Punk
6529. There's other side,
it's going to happen that maybe there's going to be options for artists and more and more
also with the new Apple Vision headset, etc.
It's such an exciting time to be actually in Web3 and in this space.
It's absolutely unbelievable. I know we agreed on 90 minutes,
so I got Nate Gappi on stage.
If you have any questions, Nate, go ahead and then
Yeah, GM guys. I just want to say thanks for having me up and big
shouts to Lawrence. It was great. It was just awesome to meet you in Miami
and big shouts to Vincent too.
I wanted to give some flowers to Lawrence too,
as Web3 comes into what we call
the fourth dimension, the fifth dimension.
As someone who's a wordsmith myself or as a journalist background, it's nice to see
that Web3 is making space for media.
When we think of media, sometimes I think the word gets put aside
because we're so excited about AR and VR and everything that ends in
it. It's nice to see that
in the fourth dimension, there's going to be room for
what is undoubtedly still
very strong art form in writing. It just hasn't had its day maybe
necessarily for the blockchain in the UX and the experience that
it deserves. I just want to give my hats off to Lawrence
and to others that are still thinking and pushing it that way
a media whose story needs to be written somewhere
in this fourth dimension because it probably can't write itself.
Big ups to everyone doing the work for that because it's noble work
did I stumble into your apartment in Miami?
That was it, how would you do it with the goons crew?
I can't remember, who was it though?
It was Shoku. That's right, okay.
I ended up knocking on your guy's door at like
I think it was like 3am or something like that and we had a nightcap.
Yeah, it was me, Piero Mori, the crypto and goons crew
and Shoku and all of their cast of characters.
That was a bonkers night.
It was great to meet you, and I love what you're saying there
about the technology and how it's empowering writers too.
I think the literary forms are only just
starting to find their way.
I think that is literary forms
are something that inevitably sort of seeps through the cracks
of the machine and sort of speak through the gears.
But they take their time and they weave their own web
and then they all of a sudden they form the foundations
and the basis of something for much more.
Yeah, absolutely right and that's why we watch
screenplays and read books and not necessarily read screenplays
but you don't consume a screenplay by word that way
because that's not its native language in a sense and so it's nice to see
the literary aspects start to have a wider tongue to speak
or a wider native language to speak in whatever this web 3 or 4th dimension
experiential thing that we're going towards is.
And I love to see how you think in those ways, Lawrence,
with some of your pieces and just approaches to the future.
Well, I'll tell you one thing.
The future is inevitable and we can't do anything about that.
The future is happening with each passing moment.
So, yeah, let's embrace it.
Here's to embracing it together, guys.
But thanks so much for having me up grateful and great conversation,
great space, a long time listening to your first time caller.
So, thanks for having me up, guys.
Amazing, Nate. Thank you so much for joining us on stage.
That's amazing and super glad that you guys met in Miami.
Hearing and listening to all the stories, guys, it's unbelievable.
So, a big shout out to everyone, guys, for listening today.
Thank you so much, Lawrence, Nima, Paimon, for joining us on stage
and, of course, Vincente and Graphite method.
So, big shout out to you.
Good luck with the collection.
I can't wait to see it live.
And, yeah, Lawrence, anything else that you would like to add?
I know I've been asking you for like 20 times,
but you always add something amazing.
Well, I mean, we're starting off this year pretty well.
I mean, I feel like everyone's in a pretty good mood.
You know, you'll see my picture in spaces like all the time, right?
People probably see me listening in.
And I just like listening to people talk
and like to see where the community's at
and like how everyone's feeling.
And interesting to hear like all the things going on.
And I feel like everybody's pretty...
It's an interesting space.
We've been through like two years of, you know,
getting kicked in the balls, basically.
And I think that we needed that to strengthen our resolve
and to sort of to push through, you know,
those difficult times to come out with something even stronger.
And I think the projects are getting more interesting.
I mean, me and Pineman were actually speaking about this last night.
I think everyone's projects are getting more...
are getting better and improving.
And, you know, that like competitive edge of needing
to focus on something that's truly innovative
or that, you know, more so being the case than it was in previous years.
But that, you know, that competitive edge is forcing us all to up our game.
So we're all growing together.
And I think it's good we went through this couple of years of tough times
and now it seems like we're ready for what's to come.
And I think we wouldn't learn as much as we did
if we didn't have these more challenging times.
And we wouldn't appreciate these like better, more exciting times that we have right now.
Also, I mean, we're like 20 days in the new year and it feels good.
There is the support from the community.
And I hope and believe that 2024 will be fucking epic
and we are here to make it happen.
Guys, I love how you are positive and how you switch towards paying for learning.
I think that's what happened through the past two years.
We've learned a lot about the market, about ourselves.
And I'm super happy that we are here and we can chat
and we can build this space and we can push web 3 forward.
Definitely, guys, check Lauren's account.
Even if you're listening to a recording, check the layer,
check the graphite method account, check NEMA payment.
Nate, you can also check Grateful Show account.
And, yeah, thank you so much, payment, for putting this space together.
It was absolutely amazing.
I appreciate you, Grateful.
First of all, I want to, again, shout out to you and me.
You guys have been like a family to me for like almost two and a half years
since I met you. You were always so welcoming.
And not just to me, but to so many other participants in the community.
And I just want to encourage everybody to follow the Grateful Show
and put the notifications on for Beast and Grateful Antino.
I just feel like without you guys, this place wouldn't be the same.
And you definitely have supported so many artists
and so many builders over this last few years.
And I know you will continue to do so.
And I'm just super excited to work together with you guys
and continue to elevate and onboard and acknowledge
all those that deserve to be spotlighted.
And then before we close out, I wanted to just encourage Nate.
I know he's a journalist, Nate.
And I really believe that, you know, you need to put your own work out.
So perhaps you can write something about, start writing about
the different projects in Web Free.
Nima alluded to Lorepunk.
She's been doing a great job since I met her, writing about different projects.
Now she's doing it for NFT now.
But she started basically from just doing it out of, you know,
because she had passion for it.
So I want to encourage you to, you know, also go after your passion, Nate,
and write, you know, and utilize your amazing skill sets
to add value to the community.
There's so many awesome projects.
Lawrence's is one of them.
There's like Ed balloon is down there.
Victoria and, I mean, you go up and down this space
and you can find inspirational projects that artists are working on.
And I really believe that we need journalists like you to also, you know,
get the web to people onboard it.
So yeah, just much love to you and everybody that is furthering
this movement in a positive way.
Let's go, Bayman. Thank you so much.
Also, thank you so much, Nima, for joining us today.
If you want to add anything, go ahead and then beast wrap that up.
Yeah, I just wanted to say thank you to you guys.
Bayman introduced me to the Grateful Show.
So you guys have a wonderful community.
So thank you so much for having me.
I mean, Bayman, thank you so much for introducing me to Lawrence.
Lawrence, your artwork is phenomenal.
And I'm more than honored to help you with this job.
So thank you so much for allowing us to be a part of this.
And as you mentioned, like, we are a community here.
And if you need anything, just DM people, right?
DM people, they will always try to help you.
And if you need to connect with someone, just DM us or Bayman or anyone here,
we always reply on the DMs or we try to reply as quickly as possible.
And yeah, what a great start of the year.
Thank you so much, everyone, for listening.
Thank you so much for joining us on stage, Lawrence, Vincent, and Graphite Method.
And yeah, what an epic show.
Big shout out to you guys.
Thank you so much also, guys.
Like, what a beautiful Saturday to spend with you.
So it was absolutely amazing.
And once again, I also wish you all the best on your journey
and with the collection that is coming.
Like, I can't wait to see it all, you know?
And yeah, it was absolutely amazing.
And thank you so much, guys.
Yeah, thank you guys for hosting.
This was a really fun space and like, and really refreshing.
You know, I love that positivity and euphoric feelings
when discussing poetry and art.
I think it's a good combination.
And yeah, Niemir and Paimon doing an incredible job on this.
Definitely recommend layer as a platform for artists.
We still have like 30 seconds to go, guys.
I just played an obitro, and we have to clap our hands for everybody who joined us.
So this was a great show.
I thought you were going to ask Lawrence if he has something to share towards the end.
If you want to add anything, right?
Guys, this was a grateful show.
And as I promised, now is the time to clap our hands.
Everybody, give a clap your hands.
Just clap your hands, everybody.
Come on, come on, clap your hands.
Have a great Saturday, guys.
Thank you so much for listening.
Have a beautiful weekend, guys.