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@Hashlipsnft + NiftyKit: The Best No-code Solution for NFTs
Recorded: Aug. 24, 2022 Duration: 1:11:09Space Recording
Full Transcription
hey hey welcome everybody can you guys hear me okay
t pay
yo yo hello hello there he is
daniel
t pay yeah how's it how's it going good excited excited what time is it over there for you
it's a 6 p.m oh okay it's not too bad thanks for uh skipping dinner and coming to kick it with us
appreciate it no worries i don't even know what dinner is anymore but uh this is this is actually
early for the nfd space i must say this is a nice and early space all right we'll make it harder for
you next time then all right uh everybody can hear okay let's go ahead and uh hit that little
speech bubble down there and invite everybody that you know especially creators um got a really
exciting space today um talking about some really really really really cool tools um here with daniel
from hash lips it's going to be it's going to be exciting so thank you everyone for showing up
let's uh give uh everybody another minute here to cruise in we'll get some people on stage here
from our crew and then we'll go ahead and get it kicked off thank you guys for coming um if you're
coming if you're just coming in we're talking with daniel from hash lips today um so super excited
um i know it's been a while since these tools are uh have been out and it's been amazing seeing what
people have been doing with it so um yeah let's go ahead and get started um go ahead and uh please
share the room out give everybody a follow in the room uh up on stage um thank you everybody for coming
been really looking forward to this space my name is dan and i'm one of the co-founders of nifty kit
nifty kit is a no-code nft smart contract platform for creators and brands to launch their nfts so
please give us a follow if you or someone you know is into that kind of thing and today we're going to
be chatting with the man the myth the legend daniel from hash lips if you're new to the space or just
learning about nfts hash lips started about a year ago creating videos and educating artists about how
to get into the nft space and one of the projects the hash lips art engine is a tool used by a lot of
artists not only just on our platform but other projects to help create multiple different instances
of our artworks based on uh image layers so this engine is similar to what you would see pfp projects
use like uh that need different variation traits and rarities similar to board ape yacht club or pudgy
penguins but um yeah we're gonna have a quick chat then we'll invite some people on stage to answer some
questions but before we do i wanted to just let everybody know to check out the pin post we're
super excited to have recently launched our drop kit membership pass since the beginning of the year
we've done more than 7300 e through the platform for just the creators and we're not stopping so
all of these things that we've learned what makes a drop successful and what doesn't the traffic that
we've used to battle test our platform we're now fully we're fully audited with our latest contracts
and uh we have a lot of really cool features at your disposal so please check out the pin tweet
and uh let's jump right into it daniel thank you again for coming appreciate it thank you so much
dan it's such a pleasure to be here with the nifty kit team and i'm really looking forward to talking
more about ai art and you know what's new in the space i know that the drop that you guys are doing
it's quite exciting and i'm also seeing some familiar faces here in the speakers panel last
night was quite fun with jeff being there as well and we said we would meet again and here we are so
it's going to be a fun space thank you for having me yeah yeah and i know you know about a year ago
years a long time in this space right a year ago i mean i don't know if you feel the same way but
i felt like people didn't really see the value in smart having your own smart contracts and being
able to um really understand what's going underneath the hood of you know what open c is doing and you
know when you put your work up like what actually happens i think there's so much excitement that
you know people were making money people were losing money we were in clubhouse rooms talking
you know how have you seen the space evolve you know over this last year being so in the trenches
with the nft space
yeah i think you you right there dan you know a year ago no one even knew uh that smart contracts
was even driving this stuff behind it right there was there was this mystery around everything especially
for artistic you know individuals coming into the space looking to do the same thing um i think it i
think it was the myth you know out there that crypto punks and all these awesome nft collections was
there so i would say from then to now i mean now if you are an artist and you don't have an nft
collection it's like you know should get on board and at the end of the day it's it's magical to see
that it only took a year for that growth to take place i'm looking regularly now it at normal creators
in the space and on youtube and you know what what baffled me the other day was i was not even watching
a nft or crypto related video but the individual on the video actually had a i think it was a cooking show
or something and at the end he said hey and support our nft project so and so and so and that just made
me think that how many people are now into nfts and actually using them uh using the technology as
it's intended to right to prove provenance that you own something that you're a part of a community
and i think it's just great you know but yeah absolutely a year ago there was no one knew what
was happening i didn't know what was happening so i had to also learn yeah no that that's great and
i remember following you early on just scraping the internet for like who else is talking about this
who else is doing this and you know when i came across your videos it was like about the time that
things were really starting to pump up and pfp projects were getting huge and um you know i i was
just curious like how how did you even get into this space what were you doing before and like what
made you want to create all this content and really help people learn how to learn this
that's quite interesting uh than that question because every time i answer it it changes
i hope it stays the same this time you know because because every time i think back there's as uh even a
better you know moment in time for me that i said okay cool this is this is great stuff but really the
backstory of how i actually came to know about nfts in general was crypto kitties back then
2017 ish and you know i left crypto for quite a while and uh i was an artist full-time for you know
about four to six years and at that time and period of my life i realized quite quickly that you either
have to be really well known in the art space to make a career out of it uh or i'm going to starve
so i had the two options you know eat all my brushes and i eventually just decided to go into
you know do a do my job as a developer i did study you know visual communication so i i knew a little
bit about game design so i joined the company you know in the tech space and i think you know there's
really when i started learning how to program and also you know self-taught kind of way and then
moved into dot net and realized that that's something i don't want to do moved back and
saw javascript and throughout this whole journey you know obviously i was doing art and uh at the top
of it all i was having art exhibitions and you know only the friends would pitch up and and slowly it
would grow i mean it didn't it wasn't that bad at all but you know slowly but surely we grew in the
art space as well and you know i had major thoughts of of completely leaving coding again to go into art
and this thought you know went back and forth for quite a while and uh it just came to a point you
know about a year and a half ago i was working in corporate kind of corporate company as a lead
software and a developer there and i saw nfts and and i saw crypto punks you know and then the immediate
thing that stood out for me was wow if i sell one i never have to work again in my life and i can do
artworks right and that was i think the the nft um appeal for a lot of people and and i and i think
you know to some degree it still is for individuals who don't know about nfts all they see are these
major figures but um yeah i soon realized that it's a really a lot of work but yeah it got me thinking
about it back then about nfts and it was really the moment that i decided to become an nft artist and
and spend my time mostly educating about it is when i realized i get to do art as well as coding which
are two of my greatest passions and mix it into one there's never been a better medium on the face of
the earth that mixes you know creativity and code in such a nice way and that's essentially when i
decided um this is what i want to do and that's how i got into it that's amazing i i really like
you know it's it's a unique skill set to be able to you know be able to do the art and zone in on that
creativity but then also switch your brain to coding you know usually you see you know either or
or somebody who's just okay at both but you know to be able to grow that type of skill is so unique
and needed now that you know i love how you're helping educate on the technical part and for you coming
from an artistic background being able to put together content that's really one enjoyable to go through
i mean you know sometimes it's a little bit intimidating doing like a whole series of you know
the art engine tutorials but you know there's been so many people and projects that you've impacted
just by bringing this out like we see we see projects every day using using your tools and you know
we're we're so happy to be able to to help them and to see no to see them and knowing that they're
they're in a good place with their project and using the right tools you know um we're our tool can't do
everything but for the things that you need to do you know we're going to point you in the right
direction and we definitely point everybody to your repository um whether they can handle it or not
it's a different story but you know looking at the the github where all your code is i'm just looking
at the hash lips art engine you got you know 6200 stars uh three thousand almost 4 000 forks so
people aren't just using this they're taking your code and they're making it for them so you've really
put down this this foundation for you know not just single artists but like whole teams to be able to
put a project together so uh i can't thank you enough you know on behalf of all the creators that are
launching and crushing and making money from using using the tools um thank you for everything you
know um just want to throw that in there t pay yeah yeah hey daniel um just wanted to kind of
resonate with dan and say thank you so much for you know doing everything that you do for the space
like uh have to say like there's not a day go by where we don't talk about hash lifts uh you know every
almost every member of our community um you know always has a question about hash lifts and
we're we're super used to it now you know answering those technical questions with your
tools um but you know overall like really excited to just kind of like you know know that there is
such a tool out there and you have such a tremendous impact to the community and you know i'm pretty sure
like there's a vast like you know nfts out there that's powered by hash lifts that don't really say
they do but i'm sure they're you know they have used something to to do that so it's really exciting
yeah thanks tipa and nice to meet you as well um you know it's it's always a a question in my mind
how many people actually have used the the code it is it would just be really interesting to know
i guess we will never know because the amount of forks and all these things on the repos but
it is something that i would really like to know one day we'll see how we can track that down you
know blockchain isn't that transparent when it comes to everything prior right but um but yeah and dan
just to to your point you know with the educational stuff i think it's it's super crucial for individuals
in this space and look i never thought i would be in in the seat where i am now educating individuals i i
honestly thought i would never enjoy educating uh people honestly but the amount of people who
really value the content out there is phenomenal and that's really where the reward comes in for me
is uh that people really find value in the stuff that um we put out and at the end of the day it's it's
knowledge that we have so we can share it and i must say it is a challenge to i won't say i don't
want to say dumb myself down a bit to the level where we have to teach but you have to uh you know
think about how you teach code especially to people who don't understand a line of code and have never
looked at a line of code you know because i imagine when when when i was younger and i looked at coders and
i looked at codes on screens and stuff it looked to me like the matrix so coming from that you need you
know you need to kind of somehow you know teach people on that very low level um well at least you
know simple level but and then that's that's kind of a very a very interesting thing to do as well
and the the reason why i like doing that is because i get to learn even more uh i i get to learn actually
way more out of my videos than maybe most people think because i have to go back and i have to do even
deeper research because you can't teach stuff that you don't know so it actually helps me as well
and i just made it a part of my learning journey to teach as well i love that i love you know
we love educating and we we feel the same way too um you know that's if if you're a creator
and you have your legs under you in the space you know the best thing that you can do you know for
yourself and for someone else is to help onboard more people help get them in the space um learn
stuff together share resources i know there's a lot of stuff out there so sometimes you got to
pick and choose you can't read and consume everything but you know if if you are able to
come to some of these rooms and ask the right questions you should be able to get pointed in the
right way uh tom thanks dan good afternoon to everyone here my co-host hello jessica the lovely jessica
hello and daniel thanks for being here um i can imagine that in this in this journey that you've
been on just in this last year and three months um the feedback loop from the community that i'm sure
you're learning a lot from has been invaluable what what maybe you could say are two or three of the
lead things that you've received in the feedback loop by putting yourself out there with this incredible
content that maybe you could share with us today thank you thanks tom and first of all thank you
nice to meet you as well i'll try and remember the name um but yeah as as uh as you asked you know what
was the what was the best feedback loops i guess if you do open source code you kind of put it open
to the world and look there's always going to be a lot of people want to have these things do
everything and uh you know almost immediately um so i guess most of the feedback would be what to
change and what not to do in coding and stuff um but apart from the the good criticism that comes back
that you can approve on i would say is uh it's not so much feedback but it's actually the people i got
to meet in this space so you know throughout the journey by opening it up you get to to learn more
about individuals in the space who's keen on learning uh maybe they are already developers
for instance i met marco his name is mostly known as larko in the space and you know i i just met him
through a pull request that he did and so we got chatting and you know a few months later he's making
his own videos and we're doing stuff together building a metaverse now as well so i guess that to me is
is very valuable and then you know from a feedback perspective is i i see a lot of individuals in
the space come with this huge huge stars in their eyes thinking that they're going to make it right
and at the end of the day and this is unfortunately so that and at the end of the day it does take hard
work and a certain amount of know-how in the space to make a successful project so
the feedback that we are getting you know is now not so much about the code anymore but how to succeed
and that is actually very valuable to me because it also teaches me different ways of of marketing
putting yourself out there because as we host spaces and we get people's questions i might answer
one but there might be someone on stage as well and i get to learn from that again and then we would
go back and analyze if we are doing it the right way and at the end of the day for me the right way
is to get as many people educated in the space as possible right we need to hustle we need to make so
sure that people know what they do um so that they don't get scanned in the space so that they you know
have a smooth and awesome time in the space with us so that's why it's up to everyone here to educate
educate educate educate everyone but yeah feedback loops was um basically that people i meet as well
that that counts and something special and i've mentioned this before on my spaces but
there's been several individuals coming up to me in spaces obviously they are very thankful for the
content but even more so they told me stories about how it changed their lives how you know some
individuals were able to now finally afford a car after selling a few nfts to drive their kids to
school and things like that and uh when you hear those things it might not be you know good feedback for me to
re-implement in code but it certainly is the feedback that i need to continue making content
and i would say that's also that's also a big one
awesome thank you daniel i'm sure i have more questions but we'll continue
um and you mentioned that you um you know have a team that's growing um could you maybe tell us
more about your team and your community um and you know if there's any opportunities for
our community members to you know become part of your community uh we would love to help out in any way
we can um can you can you maybe tell us more about that
yeah of course um thank you so much uh tipe so basically with our communities how it all started
was purely you know solo here i go that quickly i quickly realized you can't do it alone as everyone
knows it's it's almost impossible with all the different time zones and stuff um but yeah i was doing
it alone for most of my time until i realized i need help um even after quitting my job that wasn't
enough you need more hands on board so we have a few different communities obviously the hashups
community is the biggest one with the video content and the educational space so if you have any questions
regarding that if you want to meet developers if you want to meet artists all these kind of cool
things we have a nice um discord server now there's over 30 000 individuals there that's passionate
about the space that you can join and that's the the hashups discord and uh you know they i've built up
a community but also a team of about four to five moderators that actively monitors everything
and we don't speak on a daily basis but you know they are willing to assist anytime any place they can
and you know slowly but surely we we do have some exciting things coming up there such as a hackathon
this year as well uh but that's the the hashup side and i also have the um sketchy lab side which is
my personal nft project sketchy labs is a is a project that i started from my own artworks because after a
year of educating i realized that it would be beneficial if i at least have an nft collection
and a community so that is my community and that community you can see there's a lot of members
down here in the stage as well they are fabulous and they are an amazing group of creative individuals
and people willing to learn and it's really like family over there so that's the community i spend
most of my time in so if you ever want to come and say hi i would be in the sketchy labs discord
um and then yeah we also have a community and that's the artistic community so if you're an artist
you can join that and then lastly we have the eden dance uh team uh basically on sketchy labs there's
there's two key members santosh and dusko which is helping me you know build out the sketchy labs and
the sketchy brand but on eden dance we are a big team of almost 30 developers currently developing on a
metaverse and it's a completely open source metaverse as well so um yeah it all those developers we are
running agile and stuff that's uh the eden dance community and that would soon uh start you know
we haven't made it really public but that's the metaverse community so yeah a few few communities
and if if anyone wants to get involved um like i said if it's education and contracts and stuff
flash lips if it's uh artistic things sketchy labs and if it's something that you want to do in the
metaverse or even code on the metaverse you can join the eden dance community so you're saying you're
really not that busy at all right that's what i'm hearing um but yeah on the on a real note you you uh
you said a couple of words there that i wanted to uh you know come back to before we get to nft comet
and jeff you you said uh quit your job if you are comfortable do you mind you know maybe speaking
on that i know there's a lot of artists and a lot of people trying to get into the space that are
still working their full-time jobs and you know i don't know like if you have any thoughts on your
experience with that taking the leap i know that's probably one of the most emotional things that you can
do in your life so do you have any tips for anybody looking to take the plunge in nfts
yeah of course then you know um it's not that emotional to speak about
only when the you know uh paychecks don't come in anymore but apart from that i think it's a
wonderful thing to do as an artist as someone that's creative you know and i think for anyone
really is sometimes a job could could feel restrictive at some times and sometimes you
love your job right i actually um love the team that i was working with i know we spoke on a on a call
one day about it i absolutely love the team that i was running in the in the corporate world but
you know something just always told me that i need to quit now unfortunately i quit my job at the
hype of everything and i think it was in feb and this was just after the massive bull running crypto
the massive cool sales that was through with the artworks but we kept most of the stuff in ether
and as you know there was these big dives and stuff and you know at the end of the day crypto the nft
markets they sunk a little bit which is fine because that needs to happen there needs to be these healthy
pullbacks where there's time to innovate in the space but i didn't anticipate that back then so
here we are uh we are we are now uh you know i can't say jobless because i do have a job like you
said i'm not busy i really am not too busy i was just trying to balance um but at the end of the day
yeah it took a lot of guts to do that it was a it was a good job i had and uh it sucked to say goodbye
to the team not so much the job but the team especially because i love people and unfortunately
i had to leave them behind but advice for people who want to do this in the in the space first and
foremost make sure that if you are leaving your job that you are leaving it and there's something
tangible that you can actually work on on a daily basis right um if you do want to go into the space
full-time make sure that there's something that you work on if it's a product if it's a development
project that you are busy with and you need more time to work on that and you see the only way
forward is with this um with this project is leaving your job consider it but also everyone's
situations are different for instance i don't have kids it's just me and my girlfriend so we're quite
flexible and if i have to eat canned foods and not eat at all then i'll be fine i'll lose a bit of weight
and i'll look good so at the end of the day i had to take that into consideration and i'm young enough
to to take that gamble and i can always go back to work but i will never have this opportunity again
and this is what you need to ask yourself if you are looking at quitting your job and taking that big
leap into the web3 space and crypto find firstly that thing that can replace your job maybe your income
if the income is not there yet maybe make sure it's a good enough project make sure you have
enough help on board and then you need to ask yourself this question you know we only we're on
this earth for one lifetime and you need to live the best life that you can and that's when i decided that
am i going to give this all up have the youtube channel fail because i don't have enough time for
it have the communities not be there because i don't have enough time or am i going to take the
chance and see where this goes and that's that's i guess the the advice i would give if you feel that
gut feeling that you need to you know chase your dreams or or pursue something then go out and do it
if it's not going to affect your family or your situation too much know the risks are there but it
is certainly rewarding the first two months are terrifying and you probably will get anxiety
attacks because you don't know what to do with your time because usually you're at work and you
have a structure and the first thing that you need to do as someone working for yourself is get that
structure in place organize some free time for yourself as well but certainly get a schedule
running and uh yeah you should be good i can imagine all the resignation later letters going
out right now in this room uh let's go to nft comic uh jeff then tipe
hey good morning everyone good afternoon everyone um daniel i don't think we've ever spoken before but uh
based on what you were just saying my question kind of blends into uh sorry i'm driving right now let me
park really quick um any plans to make a ui version of your code um to make it user friendly and the
reason why i asked that is i'm i'm very familiar with the code uh i just don't have time to sit down
trial and error and um learn and practice the code not just your code any code because i have a full-time
job i have kids i have a family and i have a very short um time window which is why i love nifty kit
because it's it's a very very easy to use um so any plans for that in the future because i would love
for for uh hash lips and nifty kit to kind of you know go on a date fall in love and just kind of uh
have already in love
have a one-stop shop that i could just do everything there because literally just like an hour before i
was talking to the nft generator some guy named pedro from the company um who basically uh just told me
the the difference between hash lips and the nft generator uh in one word is ease of use um
and it's true right because you could just uh go there and do it um and i'm not i think what you did
is is amazing i i also use github and i love uh creating a code and having it out there and seeing
other people use my code and create something better um it's it's a great feeling uh but in
terms of situations like mine where we really just don't have the time to sit down and and learn it
can that happen is there plans for that to um to happen with uh with nifty kit or or your own platform
yeah nft i think uh that's definitely uh there already so if you want to have a solution or if
you want to use the art engine in a more ui-friendly way i have made a desktop application that you can
use and uh basically it's the exact same code base it just hides it behind a ui obviously there's not a
lot of extra features like you can do with the code version but you can do all the basic stuff you can add
your layers in there and generate the basic collection there okay i must have missed that
part i'm i'm sorry what is the repository called daniel i can end it up here while we chat yes let me
quickly make sure what the um one is i know jeff knows about that one because he asked me about
that last night actually and i forgot about it so you know obviously it needs a lot of work still
but it's also open source right so if any developers down here feel like they want to have a good
challenge then go and work a bit on that code and then we can always do requests and we can look at
the code and review it um but dan i think it is called let me just let me actually go and look not guess
right i think i think they'll be better um but yeah certainly you know i think uh with ui tools and
making it easier that is definitely something that you know us as developers need to focus on in the
space especially you know onboarding new people and this also comes down to like i said before um you know
when we educate when we try and educate individuals we need to kind of realize that in our coding
but we also need to know that not everyone knows about metamask as well so there's so much stuff that
we can improve and one of them would be to start with more more ui things um dan i'm just quickly
looking for you what that yeah no worries and if you even have the wrong one maybe we post the wrong
one up and see who actually clicks through and comes back um jeff let's go with you
um sorry sorry i was uh i was in dms uh so the um i loved hearing what you had to say um when you
were talking about the community and stuff like that and working about you know all the things that
that kind of reward you um i'm thinking in terms of you being a coder and an innovator in in code and
art and you have a unique point of view of the industry of nfts and the technical side of it
and so i'm curious if you've and i and you're also super super super busy so you'd mentioned those
things and you know you have only so much time on your plate even though you've quit your job
job so in in time in context of that is there anything that you've noticed that needs to be
done or that should be done or that could be done i guess in this industry that you don't think maybe
even you're the best person suited to do that but you have this unique insight and you think it should
be done you know what i mean like uh in terms of code in terms of social consensus in terms of
standards anything wide open but um what areas are there for improvement that you see and that you
think maybe someone should pick up but you don't think you're the best person to do that
yeah jeff that's actually a wonderful question uh just to get back to dan with that art engine
that we just spoke about uh dan it's called the hashtags art engine underscore app so got it
one with the app appended to it and there is also a video on youtube on how to exactly use it as well
uh the nft and now uh jeff yeah i mean that's an amazing question you know obviously there's a lot
of stuff in this space that can be uh improved because obviously we we find this general agreement you
know when we talk on these spaces that we all are early and we're such an early space and this and
that but we genuinely are early and uh we are going to make mistakes there is going to be you know these
unknowns that we always encounter and i i feel like the biggest unknown right now that's hovering around
in the world that i wish that just goes faster is regulation like there's this there's still this
middle point where no one knows and it's a double-edged sword for us in the in the nft and
the crypto space because obviously we want everything to be decentral there shouldn't be regulation of
course you know it's our stuff and that's how i prefer it but that's not what's probably going to
happen um but yeah more clarity on on certain things in the space will help you know i would i would
say more developers to get into the space to feel more comfortable because it's still seen as the wild
wild west out there for developers when i speak to my uh previous team about crypto they roll their
eyes because crypto you know it goes up and down and you know in all honesty in the bear markets you
probably are very embarrassed to talk about crypto that's how everyone feels and when it goes good we
shout it on the top of heels right um and unfortunately i think regulation will fix that where there's going
to be more people getting involved from the development standpoint and then something i can't
control but with that i really wish um would be clearly you know set out as certain protocols you
know we get all these chains and and as you know there's more and more chains coming out every day
there there needs to be some kind of way because there is going to be let's say a metaverse winning
the metaverse battle and becoming the metaverse and there needs to be some kind of interoperable
way for everyone to win at the end of the day there can't be just one thing because as soon as there's
one one entity that rules everything then it becomes centralized to the point because that
entities rules will be go will be the rules that govern everything if you take a look at open sea
nothing bad against open sea i love them but uh they've set the standard and that's now the standard
you know with metadata and this is how the uh things uh will render on their side so as a developer you
start implementing that without knowing that you're actually implementing a standard in the protocol
and keeping to one which they have set right if if that's not the best protocol to follow we're all
screwed because then we have to do it again and again so there needs to be something that happens
where everyone gets together in some way or form and that icon control no one can really control
that but you really sit through and think what would be beneficial for all projects uh all chains and
all these things to really uh ramp up development because currently you know everything is a bit
segregated and you get the maxis out there which will only believe in ethereum and not touch bitcoin and
vice versa right and i think uh when that might when someone comes along that changes that mindset and
actually the the tools to to work with everything together i think that's going to be that that's
something that i'm looking forward to because currently everyone's staying in their lane right
yeah that that's an excellent uh perspective on that the regulation ramp up development and um
and cross-chain protocol i mean that's something that's so interesting that you mentioned that
openc basically set the metadata standard i've mentioned this before and people are like no no
that's just the standard i'm like no it's it's openc they're the one who came up with the idea of like
levels on an nft i mean an artist doesn't go hmm what level is my painting uh let me put a four on there
no no it's a ten just kidding okay go ahead t pay yeah that's funny yeah um now that you mention it i
didn't really think about that but yeah it is it is a standard defined by openc and uh i mean they they
were one of the early ones in the space that really like helped us get to where we're at today right and
i think you know as as uh as as daniel mentioned like you know it's it's kind of like it's bound to
happen one way or another um but yeah i do agree that you know the future it needs to be a little
bit more like decentralized um i guess like my question for you is um like how which what kind
of technologies that you're seeing today that is most promising for you um i know you mentioned
like air or you know right as you came hopped on like is there any like you know specific technologies
that that you're seeing today that you know could be the future of nfts
well that's a that's a very difficult one but if you're talking about technologies uh right and just
also before we skip the openc one it is interesting to think about right um of course the the metadata
was the uh kind of standard of how how it would read from some kind of metadata um but was what was
never there is exactly what jeff said the levels get added now if i could have it my way i would have
different media forms in there because for someone who's creating a metaverse who wants to create assets
for instance no one wants to append that asset to the animation url that openc forces you to append
that to right now it doesn't look good doesn't make sense and quite frankly i think that should be
changed right uh but everyone has implemented to this point and you can't change that right now
and the reason is is because the blockchain is immutable so you'll mess up everyone's contract
unless the front ends up you know um accept the protocol accept that change and then they just adopt
for that and also read both but to get back to technologies i just want to quickly throw that
back to you uh to find out are you talking about uh fields uh what fields nfts are going to be more
you know prevalent or what type of technologies in the sense of different frameworks and so on
yeah i guess like you know um my question was like around like ai art like we're seeing like you know
dolly and and mid journey like kind of popping up and you know people are really excelling in that area
but i'm also curious about like you know when you mentioned like different like chains that are coming
up um i know hash lips has a solana support um and i know i don't know if you had a chance to work with
you know those kind of uh technologies like how do you how do you feel working with them and do you
do you see uh a better future uh with like one of them or all of them or what is your general like
feedback around them yeah all right that's that's that's a good question i think you know at the end of
the day when we talk about ai and and so on i think ai is definitely going to be something that's going
to be popping up this year i think the nft space obviously goes in in these big huge trends um
regarding chains i'm very much in love with ether i'm not an ethereum maxi i also love ripple and i
love solana and all these things i just don't like rust therefore i don't like solana because i don't
want to code in rust um but i think at the end of the day if you if you talk about uh interesting
enough but this ai right we spend the other day other night with the community with dolly because
i got us uh i got invited to test it out and i took my community for a ride and we searched for
what is the future of crypto and the only thing that it spit out was the ethereum logo that's that
was quite interesting right so so yeah if there's if there's emerging technologies that will be there
for nfts i guess ethereum did set the the standard and was there quite early on um but i think we're
going to see more technologies you know if if you take a look at nifty kit for example what dan and
the team is doing at nifty kit um these are very awesome technologies that wraps nfts that makes it
easier for individuals to create nft collections i think we're going to see more of that um coming
up as we go on and then i honestly think that you know we spoke about making it easier for people to
adopt nfts i know starbucks uh mentioned in a community that i was uh prior last month involved
in they mentioned that starbucks is bringing out their own nfts now i can imagine that starbucks is
not going to have each individual type in their metamask you know password to get this nft so
they're going to make they're going to have to make it somewhat you know accessible and that technology
is exciting again right because now we're going to be working with technologies that opens it up to
the web2 space but still keeps it the central in some in some kind of way and i think technologies
like that are going to be really the ones that is first of all going to be very needed and secondly
is going to be the next boom right of how how do we adopt these technologies how do businesses make
use of these technologies not so much how do the single developer or artists create nft collections
that's where we were in now and also this year will follow um but i believe if tools can open it up
more for business use cases um dan is already starting to think now they you know start your own uh you
know reward token with the nfts and stuff and if you make it easy for them to create it and also then
again for the consumer to consume it and use it i think those are the technologies that we can look
out for i don't have names because i don't think they exist a lot of them exist yet but i think that's
what we can be excited for you know when these web2 brands come into the space and they start hiring
up all these people who quit today is going to want to go back to a job um so something to think
about uh let's go uh let's see where we got about 10 minutes left we're gonna do a few more questions
and wrap up um some final thoughts let's go simon enoch and blue and we'll close her out
hey jessica hey dan uh dan firstly uh nifty kid is an amazing uh platform and your support staff
are fantastic eugene done at the bottom she's been helping me through from the beginning uh question
for daniel uh how's it from another south african um i just want to say your uh platform or engine can
handle or generate a 340 000 nft collection quite easily uh it's what i've just generated off the
engine um i do have to ask is it possible to have a command where it can start from where it's a kind
of like stopped uh living in south africa we have power outages which daniel should know um and a lot
of the times uh it kind of hits 200 220 000 and all of a sudden i've got to restart again because of
kind of glitches there well hey simon how's it going it's nice to hear south african on on here as well
um and yeah you know um that that functionality doesn't exist in the current implementation
um on the main branch however if you look at some of the issues uh that people have posted there's
been a lot of forks of the engine and some people implement different solutions to that so there might
be a branch where someone actually have implemented that uh you know instance right where where you need
when you need to continue from a certain uh nft onwards so just check out for the branches i'm not
sure if that exists um but it is certainly something that should be very easy to implement so
you know i'll have the team maybe look at that we can look at that maybe do a little bit of an
implementation there again we haven't touched the code in such a long time haven't looked at full
requests but i am really impressed that you you know created that many nfts and uh yeah that your
computer didn't blow up that's crazy it did take three days to do but it was well worth it uh it's a
completely different project to the rest uh that are out there at the moment the hence the reason why
it's so large um but the the engine was flawless it uh spat out everything correctly it was just the
south african power that was the issue
yeah i get that so load shedding is a thing here in south africa and you know you never know what
where it might hit and all of a sudden everything is is is out uh but i'll surely look into that and
yes like i said if you do need assistance if anyone needs something in particular because i know
there's also been questions regarding grouping certain items there's been lovely implementations for
that as well and all it is is someone that's taken the code branched it off uh created something new
and it works the same with it just that added functionality and then again just if you are
using a branch make sure there's some comments and feedback from people so you don't just install
something weird on your machine uh just to be careful out there as well because we are in the crypto space
great all right you know you up thank you fam um really happy to be on appreciate being able to
jump in at the end here first time in a nifty kit space i saw hash lips on the mic and i had to jump in
i just want to say daniel um i'm a big fan your videos on youtube about coding and generating um the full
contracts collections everything some of the first things i started watching in january when i got into
web 3 and i shared your instructional videos with one of my moms who has a huge background in coding and
tech and she was able to completely code her own smart contracts for her own collection that is
accumulation of 35 years plus worth of research into sound and visual healing sequences um and so i just
want to i just wanted to say thank you yeah you know i've never spoken to you before but thank you
because without the instructions that you gave the clarity of them and the simplicity of them we
wouldn't have been able to get to this point and it really means a lot to both of us um i also have
some questions about some work that i'm doing i've been working on designing a metaverse and like
you know someone was saying earlier i think it might have been you might have been uh t pay that was
saying when there's that metaverse that sets a standard and is able to make the onboarding process
something which is easily accessible to the masses that's going to shift the movement of this industry
forward and i've been working on designing a ecosystem that will do just that using hip-hop as
the medium because it is the most dominant popular form of culture around the world
and i've been trying to do this using hedera as the system i know you're saying you're
bully on ether but i've been i'm really curious to know what your thoughts are about hedera
because i see it as a system as an ecosystem that has the potential to really break the mold and make
it possible to have smooth and simple onboarding for a lot of people and i am just curious in the work
that you've done one what you think about hbar and hedera and two what do you think about the
interoperability of blockchains and the ability for someone to say build a metaverse using unreal
engine and have it coded so that people with um different graphics qualities whether it's voxel or
um and really anything could bring their assets in there whether it's on ether or polygon just
something that allows interoperability between graphics quality and between blockchains um so
yeah thank you brother thanks enoch man it's uh it's fantastic to have you on here and lovely to
speak to you as well i'm so glad that your moms you know like you said um got to code this thing out
it's it's really amazing and the sound waves sound very interesting uh as the project you know as
as a whole so uh lovely man to meet you as well and you know what with the metaverse questions as
well as the the hbar hedera i'm not so familiar with hbar and hedera all i know that is going to
the moon and it's going to take over the financial system and this is not financial advice i have to say
that right now because this is recorded maybe someone apes into stuff um but yeah hedera is a very
lovely chain you know and i have no problem with any of the um solutions out there um in fact you
know especially when it comes to metaverses you probably don't want it to run on ether with all
the gas fees that's there even though gas fees would come down and it would be a bit more efficient with
proof of stake um it's still going to be expensive and the thing is at the end of the day you need to
make it more affordable and it all depends on how metaverses are run so at the end of the day you asked
about the interoperability of uh contracts as well um first of all yeah it's totally viable to build
a metaverse on whichever platform you choose as long as it's performant and uh you know that can
handle whatever contracts you're going to put on it and to your second question we are actually also
building a metaverse called eden lands and eden lands is really a passion project that i've started
with the team and i've invited anyone to come and join and and build along with me now i am
currently making a youtube tutorial series on how to build a metaverse from the ground up and i'm
starting with 3js um you know browser graphics we're starting off with that and it's going to be an
entire series much like the art engine was but this time to build up your own metaverse right so i think
a lot of people are going to be building metaverses but with this in mind we are thinking about
interoperability as well like you said you also have a solution and i would love to hear that solution
as well because the thing is uh people who are working on the solutions need to communicate they
need to share ideas and one thing that i think when it comes to uh talking to different smart contracts
in different chains i believe if the logic is the same on one platform you know it could and can be
consumed on another and vice versa so in my version of interoperability look you're never going to get
eth to give up whatever they've built and just join ripple right and merge that's impossible first of all
because they don't like each other as and uh you know secondly it's just the technologies won't allow for
that but if if ripple releases the um you know with what's the other network that's going to allow
them to have smart contracts if there is a smart contract on on for instance the polygon and on hedera
and on ethereum and they have the same logic i always say that a metaverse and the experience of
a metaverse is purely centralized it's purely web 2 there's nothing to do with the web 3 side so
if you really want to make a metaverse feel like it's interoperable all the frontier needs to do is
actually connect these dots you know and easily just tell uh the viewer this is you doesn't matter
what connect connection you have as long as you are uh connected to a chain that we support and that
your token is there you can enjoy your metaverse space right next to someone on ethereum and right next
to someone on polygon because there shouldn't be a difference when you consume the data it's just
what happens on that particular blockchain so um it's something interesting to think about man and
maybe you can get involved with edenlands at some point uh like i said we are building out all the
infrastructure right now it's going to be you know very very simple to implement and for anyone who wants
to join uh that development i would love to see if we can work together in some way as well
thank you brother i i would love to stay in communication and um yeah i think that it would
be a wonderful learning and growth opportunity for me to be able to jump in and help you with edenlands
most of my experience is in lore like i can write stories all day every day i've been playing dnd for 23
years like my brain works in that method and i can understand how systems connect my mom is the one
with the coding experience but i understand languages and systems so as long as i can see the language the
pattern and the format i can implement it in different ways and i would absolutely love and be honored to
to work with you and to to learn more as you're building this uh metaverse
training module because man you're you're one of the best teachers i've seen i've been waiting for
your metaverse module i've been i've been gritting my teeth and being like hash lips when you putting this
out man when you putting this out i need it oh man thank you so much and and honestly yeah so go and
check it out so far there's about six videos into the series i'm releasing a video every second day
or every day um it does take me some time to make this one because i'd really go in deep when it comes
to the three js working with react three fiber and doing the connections because we're going to be
building out servers uh you know bridge contracts all these wonderful cool stuff for the metaverse so
please be sure to check it out and also once it's open source you get to see the whole picture
and it's fantastic that you you say that you are more about the lure and at the end of the day we
had a space last night and that was how to grow your nft brand and and something that we were talking
about and that was the main concept over there was that nft projects and nft companies and nft brands
do so well if they have a good story behind it right and that is true because people want to be a part of that
story so it would be nice to involve you in our story somehow but yeah soon we'll open up the
the core eden nance metaverse code and anyone is available to to come and poke around and see what
they want to change or how they want to be involved thanks for being up here man great stuff guys
um so we're uh i want to be mindful of your time daniel i don't know if you have time for
one more question but um we're at the top of the hour now um yeah are you okay yeah i've been a lot
of fun i don't i don't really mind we can go for another hour if you want to oh boy all right let's
go blue you're up hey everybody thank you so much for hosting this space um hi dan hi jessica
um hi everybody hi hash lips everybody hi blue hi hey there buddy how you doing great to see you
here today like i'm gonna start a whole road call and i don't want to get in trouble t-pay hi everybody
um actually so i had a question for you just to think of like your thought process um
um so as like a coder or a dev just just a very talented individual what are your what is your
thought process as far as like if we take um what happened with tornado cache far as the developer
getting in trouble for coding um what is your thoughts on like how
how devs and people who come up with resolutions to problems far as like i would like to be protected
and not have people see every transaction that i'm making or have trackers following me in such a way
where i'm targeted all the time and so like do you think i do believe like what you said about the
regulations is is a problem with like which way we can go left or right um but like do you think there
is a way to create certain solutions to protect ourselves without us ending up in jail if that makes
sense yeah no i totally get what you're saying listen lu uh first of all thank you nice to meet you as
well and uh yeah i mean that's a really a big concern for most developers in the space you know
and it's a big concern for me as well as an educator in the space i'm always scared that we put out some
code and someone just randomly uses it and it breaks you know so um first of all if you are a developer
and from a code perspective you want to protect yourself uh you can make your code mit which means
that you know it is as it is and there's no liabilities back to the developer although
in recent times we have seen people actually getting in trouble for using uh developers who
actually made their code mit which is quite strange but uh that being said if you are a developer that
develops stuff and that you want to put things out in the blockchain you still want to be anonymous
i would say you know the my best bet is there if if this thing with tornado cash happened and so on
it makes you feel like you are not protected anymore you cannot keep your um you know anonymity
how do you say that but at the end of the day you can go for a very secure chain there's a lot of
chains out there that keeps that privacy level um and at the other at the other end of the spectrum
if you want to stay on a popular chain i would recommend you know obviously if you want to hide
everything then there is something to question why right but i do get that some developers don't
want to expose all the stuff they are doing because maybe they are testing some stuff i have to be
very careful what i'm testing because people are watching my wallets and if i do something on
the blockchain they go and take that contract and use it and i don't want that always to happen
so simply a thing that i do is i create a new wallet on a chain and i take a exchange right
and binance is a good example of that binance you can just send some ether or some polygon or whatever
it might be to that wallet and to some degree um people won't know who that wallet is right where
it goes because it goes out of a pool it is backtraceable if if they really need to do investigations
um but then again if if it gets to the point where they want to investigate you then you have done
something wrong and that should be investigated right but at the end of the day if you just want
to stay anonymous i would recommend going that route but certainly there's always there's always going to
be a trail because it is the blockchain and somehow some way the trail will follow and lead to the
address right because you need to send some ether to to a place and that contract needs to make that
transition so i think if you want to stay anonymous the in my opinion is create like a cold cold wallet
maybe do it through there um and certainly um don't don't just generate stuff and send ether to that
wallet left right and center send it from one particular place if you want to stay anonymous and
that's that's about it that i can say tornado cash and those things yeah i i feel like there is some
valid point to doing these things but you know then again just begs the question why because uh if i for
instance if i start sending my transactions through tornado cash i know i'm doing it maybe i don't want
people to trace where it goes but i have no problem with people tracing what i do um the only thing is
just um what what is the reason that you want to stay completely anonymous if i may ask oh no no no so
like i guess more so like a question of how do we put securities in place if we create like solutions
to make sure like people aren't getting hacked because you're um onboarding such large audiences
that aren't used to web3 so like if you want to be protected and then if you have these individuals
who's purchasing um these nfts or projects that are very high value that can be highly targeted because
they do track and trace like how we move through blockchain i guess okay now i understand the
question better sorry i was going off on a whole other thing so if uh if that's the case you know i
guess um people have spoken about you know outside technologies such as wallets for instance metamask
could pick up a contract that's you know have done something wrong and quickly block that
notifying individuals and uh quite frankly i was in a space where a lot of individuals commented that
that is what they should do and i disagree with that because you know it's not really up to metamask
to protect us um in that sense right metamask is there and they will do their best to kind of
allow us not to do stuff by putting up a warning but if if we blaming metamask for allowing us to do a
transaction then we're just pushing the blame onwards and onwards right and the best thing that we can
do as a community right is education around this this kind of thing um learn what is good to
do what is not good to do and also if if someone is going to mentor nft if they know the project then
that's a good thing unfortunately no one wants to be scammed but it just sometimes happens and it might
be just the click of a button that takes your wallet's information or what it might be i would
say the best thing that you can do as a developer anyone in this space if you really want to mint something
and you're not sure about the project uh still create a burner wallet uh create an extra one or
metamask create somewhat something else where you don't have any other funds in there any other nfts
and then mint something see what happens right and leave it there maybe in a few weeks that thing gets
hacked and then you know okay cool everything is still fine but at the end of the day that's something
you can do to protect yourself um regarding people that scam they're always going to scam it's
always going to be people who wants to take the beauty out of something else out because they
simply i don't know what i i have words that i want to say which i can't say here but at the end
of the day it's happening to my youtube as well i get these people posting the the weirdest comments
on there trying to advertise i don't know what kind of weird sites and also people trying to scam
other individuals portraying that it's my whatsapp number and unfortunately there's nothing i can do
about it there's nothing i can trace these people i can actually try and call them but it's going to
you know not work because there's going to be always more and that's uh the best thing to do is just
protect yourself with a burner wallet if you mint or if you develop and so on
great great advice yeah i i think there's so much education and i think sometimes when you know
especially for you i'm sure we're really deep inside all the technical stuff sometimes it's just
really security 101 type of stuff so yeah more education definitely um i want to be mindful of
everybody's time we're closing out the room here um i want to thank daniel for coming um
jeff and quantum variant uh have a smart contract room that's pinned up to the top that's live right
now if you want to continue the conversation daniel i know you've mentioned that uh you're still
free would love to have you over there if you want to uh continue geeking out with us but
um on behalf of nifty kid and the team i want to thank everybody for coming please uh check out the
pin tweets follow everybody on stage uh go to nifty kid and check out our drop kit pass and if you guys
have any questions and need help pop in our discord and we'll get eugene to help you so thank you everybody
for coming today i love y'all let's build let's stay safe and be careful out there thank you
thank you so much dan for having us up here it was really uh an amazing
cheers mate thank you and uh try to keep your lights on over there with all the blackouts stay safe
and uh
