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HBAR Open Mic! 🎙️🟢
Recorded: Dec. 4, 2025 Duration: 1:05:39Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, participants explored the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency, highlighting significant partnerships, growth opportunities, and the potential impact of new financial products like the Hedera Spot crypto ETF. Key insights included the cultural influence of hip hop on societal trends and the strategic moves by states like Georgia and Wyoming to integrate blockchain technology into public services.
Full Transcription
Thank you. I got loyalty, got royalty inside my DNA.
Cocaine quarter piece, got war and peace inside my DNA.
I got power, poison, pain, and joy inside my DNA.
I got hustle, though, ambition, flow inside my DNA.
I was born like this and swore like this, immaculate conception.
I transformed like this, performed like this, with y'all she's a new weapon.
I don't contemplate, I meditate, then off your fucking head.
This that puts the kids to bed.
This that I got, I got, I got, I got realness.
I just kill shit cause it's in my DNA.
I got millions, I got riches building in my DNA. I gotledon I serve yeah that's him again the sound the engine
in this like a bird you see fireworks they call call Vintiah, skirt the boulevard I know how you work, I know just who you are
See, use a, use a, use a bitch
I almost probably switch inside your DNA
Problem is, all that sucker shit inside your DNA
Daddy probably snitch, heritage inside your DNA
Back home don't exist, burn outside a jellyfish I gauge
See, my pedigree most definitely don't tolerate the front
Shit I been through probably offend you, this is Barlow's oldest son
I know murder, conviction, furnace, boosters, burglars, ballers, dead
Redemption scholars, fathers dead with kids and I wish I was fed
Forgiveness, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, soldiers DNA
Born inside the beast, my expertise checked out in second grade
When I was nine, on sale motel, we didn't have nowhere to stay
At 29, I've been so well hit Cartwheel in my estate I got loyalty, got royalty inside my DNA. This is why I say that hip hop has done more damage to young African Americans than racism in recent years.
I never got my DNA.
This is my heritage, all I'm inheriting.
Money and power, the mecca of merit.
Just tell me something. You motherfuckers can't tell me nothing.
I'd rather die than to listen to you.
My DNA not for imitation. Your DNA an abomination.
This I wear this when you in the matrix.
Dodging bullets, reaping what you're sewing.
Stacking up the footage, living on the go and sleeping in the pillow.
Sipping from a clammy, walking in the building.
Diamond in the ceiling, marble on the floor.
Beaches out the window, peeking at the window.
Baby in the pool, Godfather goes.
Only Lord knows, I've been going hammer.
Dodging paparazzi, freaking through the cameras.
Eat it for a dollar, Brock, wearing sandals, yoga on a Monday, stretching to the planner, watching all the
snakes, curving all the fakes, phone never owned, I don't care, save, I don't compromise,
I just penetrate, sex, money, murder, these are the breaks, these are the times, level
number nine, look up in the sky, tennis on the way, tennis on the way, Kenneth on the
way, motherfucker, I got winners on the way, you ain't shit without a buddy on your belt,
you ain't shit without a ticket on your plate, you ain't sick enough to put it on your cell, you ain't rich enough to hit the light escape, tell me when this dress ain't gonna be my fate, gonna be a fake, gonna be a fake, peace to the world, let it rotate, sex, money, murder, ID, MA.
Alright then, so far for the family friendly spaces, we tossed that out of the window completely in one go.
Let's go.
Patrick, thoughts on the intro music.
Do you know who we've been listening to?
Name it.
Can you hear me yet?
Because I saw that I didn't.
Do you hear me, guys?
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Okay, because I didn't accept the co-host when you asked him.
So I have no clue if my son would be. yeah yeah definitely okay because i didn't accept co-host when you asked him so i have
no clue but if my son would be listening to this i'd have a conversation with him
yeah all good um thanks for being here and um yeah access is definitely acting up these last couple of days definitely within spaces so
yeah let's see how it goes today but everybody who's supposed to be up on stage is on stage
right now so that's a good thing welcome back everybody to Kaui Plaza it's not named Kaui
Plaza today we actually had a conversation about this during the DGN hours,
I think two weeks ago.
No, I think last week.
And so we were talking about spaces, names,
and one thing that the numbering,
this is actually episode 144,
but it could make new people feel like,
oh, I missed 143 episodes episodes this might not be for me so
we don't want that so uh yeah we're just trying some we'll be trying some some different things
out um yeah and then maybe i'll be changing the name of the space as well uh when it's um
when it's clear where the conversation is heading so So we've got some great HBAR updates, of course.
But first things first, let's get some more people
in the space, so make sure to like it, repost it,
leave a nice comment, and invite your friends
because we want to be talking about HBAR
with a room filled with people.
So let's give it a bit more time to fill up before we actually dive in the um the big news items uh let's go around the panel first patrick i don't know if you want to dive into it straight
away but i think um there are some earthlings updates as well, right? Yeah, we can do that.
It doesn't even need to be long.
So we invited the community to sign up for the first city walkthrough.
So they won't be doing full-blown gameplay,
but at least it will be a proof work where people can see that, indeed,
we are building this where they can walk to their plots um we don't have a system yet where
they can locate their own plot directly well it's on the on the website of course where you can see
where your plot is but we need to fine-tune the the the way you navigate in the system in the city
so that you also uh spawn there when you have that when you own that plot but yeah it's it's gonna be fun to see what
people think of walking around it I do see already that even if the city looks good because I think
it does if you don't have any gameplay it is still just an empty city so you you walk around and
explore some stuff but then you will get bored so for me gameplay is very important
we are adding that as well of course we're working on that but most work so far was really building
this open world but we will be telling that to our testers as well guys it is coming so don't worry
you're not going to work walk circles around the city endlessly gameplay is in there as well so i actually today i um
had to point out some some battle arenas and battle sounds very aggressive but when people
see how we do it then i think they they will agree that it's not a very aggressive game of
course there needs to be some hitting uh but you know for example if you shoot with an
axe shooter is that really aggressive or is it just fun but yeah it is still shooting and if you hit
an animal with a rake that's just funny but uh it will it will be fun nevertheless but
those things will be coming so yeah so that's that's something that our community has been
waiting for for a long time finally opening up the first part of city where they can really walk around and see that we're building this thing.
Anything else? No.
I did an afternoon nap.
I think I'm going to have to do one more after this song.
Don't worry, Ego.
I'm just teasing you here.
But, yeah, nothing else.
Toss it on to the next one.
Nice.
Well, I mean, we don't have to toss the mic to the next one straight away
because it's a pretty big deal.
I think it's super cool that people will be finally able to walk around to the city.
And so who will be able to do that?
It'll be a select group of people.
We sent an invite and people can go, how do you say that?
Inschrijven.
Ivo, help me here.
Yeah, they can sign up.
Register, register.
Sign up, sign up.
Yeah, the sign-in will get there.
so yeah I think it's gonna be 25 people max and the signing and tomorrow if I'm not mistaken so
So, yeah, I think it's going to be 25 people max.
next week we'll hand them over their their coats and I think it's gonna be the same group for a
while where now we're just gonna tell them go hang out and walk around tell us what your frame rate was, by the way. That is what we are interested in as well.
Because we did not bake everything yet.
So it's like merging stuff together
so the game gets faster.
But you can imagine merging is destructive.
If you merge stuff together,
like in Photoshop when you merge layers,
you can't work on it anymore.
So you do that.
You wait for that as long as possible.
Meanwhile, the community wants everything today, of course.
So that is a little time pressure.
That is a little pressure that we have there.
Because if I would have a say in it, I'd say, okay, let's wait even a little bit longer with merging everything.
But yeah, it works two ways, of course.
So if you merge everything, then the game gets even faster.
So we did have a minimum requirement for the computer that people needed so far.
But some people from my team, Jonas, he has a mid-range computer.
Excuse me.
And I asked AI, Google it, if you if you can ask ai ai this is his computer set
these are his computer settings how many people gamers have at least this computer and it said oh
easy 60 plus so that was great because that's a large portion of of gamers and we didn't even
bake everything yet and he was already at 45 frames minimum everywhere it was
just a mid-range computer so that that is looking good for for optimization and on my computer but
i've got a very good computer we bought it for unreal engine of course so it's a bit better than
most gaming computers but i already have 137 frames per second is it very important yes and no YouTube which will bash you if they
have because they have their super duper computers and if they didn't have 30 frames per second
that's of course bad but they love it I personally if I run the game and it's at 30 frames per second
with my eyes I don't even see the difference I'm like what are they crying about 30 is good enough for me but it is a thing and especially for a lot of gamers they want
60 frames per second so that that's something that the optimization of the city is something
that we're working on a lot sorry band ring on a bit long about this but i like talking about these
things uh yeah well going back to my famous question.
What was the question again,
Yvonne?
I'm not even sure if I asked the question.
okay.
Oh yeah,
I asked,
I asked who will be,
who will be able to.
Yeah.
Okay.
I answered it in the beginning.
Yeah.
So everyone,
everyone,
I think you do need to have founder card or things,
or EEC cards,EC cards the saleful version
of founder cards so
but you can find out all this stuff in
discord or it's probably
also in the latest post I did not make the post
I just told him this needs to be in there
alright nice
pretty cool
last question will this be like an event where all 25 people will be
walking around the city together or is it individually and and there will be no one
yeah not yet so that's going to be a stress test that we're going to do later should work because
we've been uh well actually maybe even a year already ago we've been sitting with a lot of people but that was just a team but um
yeah at a certain point we'll be stress testing on how many people exactly we can
use in in the game because out of the box i think on real ships with 30 people per server but
you can stretch it to 60 even i think but we'll just have to see um so that that's going to be a
60 even i think but we'll just have to see um so that that's going to be a test later on but
the the people people will get um a code and they can go in 24 7 then when they have that uh
code or through the steam store so if they want to team up and try it themselves and
Yeah, then of course they can.
yeah then of course they can and if they crash it i hope they tell us
And if they crash it, I hope they tell us.
Yeah.
Well, cool, man.
I mean, that's amazing.
So if there are any other updates on that, let us know.
And yeah, maybe people can take some screen recordings as well so we can view them
um yeah all right ecua um how are you doing and um thanks for scaring off patrick in his
in his old age with this with this uh intro song yeah for sure dude um yeah like mixing it up every
now and then and patrick i feel like your son must
definitely be listening to this kind of music so you should probably have a conversation you know
scare him straight a little bit sometimes there comes sounds from his telephone that sounds a bit
like this genre and then i'm on him what's up what is this about but uh no i i wouldn't throw him out but um yeah yeah of course you won't throw
him out he's like i won't throw him out dude like we weren't expecting that you would kick him out
of the house for listening to some hip-hop music that was hilarious okay it depends on what it's
about but you know that's the nice thing about this space.
Isn't this, come on, Ekko, this is nice.
I like Bee Gees.
You like this stuff.
And we still love each other.
It should be like that in the world.
Everyone in Kabila's space, it's all peace.
So, yeah, it's just different taste, I guess.
I'm joking around here, of course.
But, yeah.
We had Bee Gees once at the intro.
Ivo allowed that so i'm all fine with you having your rep as well at the intro so can we confirm that there will be no sex money murder
in earthlings land i think i'm pretty sure about that yes
at least the money part you can keep, you know?
Like, at least give people some money.
Yeah, I'm not a great money person.
Money only.
Oh, no sex and murder, y'all.
You heard it here first.
Earthling land is going to be safe for work.
Let's go, let's go.
But yeah, glad to be here.
What's up, Ivo, Patrick, Brandon, everyone else down there. Hope you all can hear us well.
X was acting up a couple days ago, but I think it's been fine since yesterday.
So, yeah, pumped for the conversations. Lots of things happening. Like Ivo said, lots of things happening on Hedera.
I'm sure Brandon is going to go on a bit of a spree today because with HBAR the news just doesn't stop coming, you know
Like it's just so much happening and there's a real good announcement by Kabila as well
Which I'd like to dive into a little bit later. I have some questions and yeah happy to be here as always
Like and repose the space. Let's pump the algorithm. Let's get get the hbar open mic on everybody's timelines
and let's have fun as always i'll kick it back to you evo
it's kind of weird when people in web3 use my real name so uh for those who don't know evo
that's me still um new evo that's uh that's all me but um yeah great to have you here aqua and um i'll kick it back to
you in a bit first let's welcome brandon up on stage uh i reckon it's been a busy week for you
to get the video ready for tomorrow brandon yeah working on it all week there is some crazy stuff
that's going on with hedera i'm certainly going to focus on the agreement with Georgia,
the country, not the state. Really interesting things that are happening with real estate there.
And it looks like at first when I was reading it, it looks like the agreement was just to
store the data. So I was looking at a translated version of the announcement that came or the
press release that came out of Georgia itself. And then yesterday or the day before, we got more information from a post from SkagX.
Now SkagX has already done real estate in collaboration with Zonix on Hedera.
But from that post, it sounds like not only are they going to be tracking all the data
of ownership titles and all that kind
of stuff with real estate in Georgia, but it was actually going to allow for transfer, use it as
the value transfer mechanism between real estate transactions and everything else. So just
interesting stuff. I want to get a lot more information on that. I want to try to get
SkagX on to explain a little bit more fully. And then, of course, we have all the stuff that's going on with Hedera NFTs. Now, it's been reported a fair
amount that the HBR Spot crypto ETF is going to find its way onto Vanguard, which is huge,
considering they have about 50 million customers. The thing, though, I've tried a few times.
I do have a Vanguard account, and I haven't been able to purchase.
It's not available to buy yet.
But considering that both the Hedera Foundation and Canary have highlighted that it's available, my guess is they're just still working on it.
I actually called Vanguard as well to ask, and if anybody has a Vanguard account, call over there, let them know that there's demand for it.
They need to know that kind of stuff. He said that there's still evaluations going on
in the ETF or the crypto ETF space as they list them. So my guess is it's probably going to be
available next week. Speaking of Canary Capital, the issuer of our spot ETF, they did an amended S1 filing for
the SEC for their American crypto basketed ETF, which HBAR is a part of. The basketed ETFs,
I know I talk about it all the time, but I think that's going to be the watershed moment for a lot of other altcoins
out there.
Now, unfortunately, it is just going to be those top tokens, the tokens that find themselves
in the top 50, the Coinbase 50, the Coindesk 20, things like that.
But of course, HBAR is going to be included in that. And all of the tokens that are traded against the HBAR in our DeFi ecosystem, it's going to be good for the entire ecosystem.
So I think there's going to be a lot of capital flows when that starts to happen.
It's crazy because we really don't have basketed ETFs yet.
I think that's going to be a Q126 kind of thing.
that's going to be a Q126 kind of thing. But with HBAR now being included in the Coinbase 50 and
the Coindesk 20 and just being set up really well to be included in things like the American ETF,
actively managed funds like what we're seeing out of T. Rowe Price. They filed there, S1, just a couple weeks ago.
All that kind of stuff.
L1s, smart contract platforms.
You can just go down the line.
RWA platforms.
HBAR is going to find its way into a lot of these basket products,
and I think that's going to be a big change, a sea change for the crypto space at large.
Also has some great interviews tomorrow.
I have Patches, Ty from Hashgraph,
gosh, he's with so many different teams.
He's a senior product developer at Hashgraph.
He started Hgraph.
He is the CEO of Turtle Moon.
He's involved with Hashgraph online.
So I have a really long conversation with him
around like
infrastructure being built for AI on Hedera and it's pretty mind-blowing the
stuff that's happening we're certainly you know we're one of the leading
platforms when it comes to AI I also have an interview with somebody that's
doing actually I probably shouldn't talk about it quite yet I think the press
release is probably gonna come out tomorrow either way either the press release is probably going to come out tomorrow.
Either way, either the press release comes out tomorrow or it's going to be in my show.
So one way or the other, it's going to be coming out tomorrow.
But it's it's working on things in Africa.
And it actually has a fair amount of traction and volume already.
So they just need to flip the switch and bring all that to Hedera.
And we're going to be in really good shape.
So that and then I have several other things, of course,
that I'm going to be going over.
Like was mentioned there, I have a lot going on this week.
So it's going to be fun to get into the show tomorrow.
Are you sure you can give us a little hint or a little alpha
on what's to come tomorrow in your show?
I mean, the announcement you were talking about.
Oh, well, it's organization around making marketplaces in Africa
and making it easier for the small farmers there
to tap into capital markets and things along those lines.
I'll probably leave it there,
but they already have a fair amount of traction,
as I mentioned,
and it's all going to be coming on Hedera here soon.
And the exciting part,
and I'll get into it tomorrow,
is once they've been exposed to this technology,
they're going to want to use it
for a lot of other things as well.
So yeah, exciting times ahead.
Nice. Yeah. And about Georgia, maybe you could tell a little bit more about what stage
that's saying, because the Ministry of Justice signed an MOU with Hedera to explore bringing
national scale public service on chain.
So you already went a little bit into what exactly that entails.
But in what stage is it now?
And also, to what extent does Hedera concern itself then with the actual infrastructure that's needed.
Is there anything known about how Georgia is going about that?
Do they have their own government-owned teams who will be building that infrastructure?
Or do you know anything about how in practical sense that they'll
go from here? Yeah, so it does, it sounds like it's even though, you know, that word might come
up exploratory, it sounds like they know exactly what they want to do and they're ready to pull
the trigger. They just have to go through all the steps and make sure that they have everything in
place first.
As far as who's actually going to be building it, I think that's going to be StegX.
I think they're the ones who are actually going to be doing the technical side of things.
They've already done real estate on Hedera, like I mentioned, with Zonix.
So, and they're going to get as much support as they need from Hedera to execute.
So I think that's what it comes down to.
Of course, when it comes to privacy, when it comes to making sure all the local laws and regulations are involved,
they're going to be working with the government, the Georgian government, to make sure all those things are followed properly.
But as would be expected, it's not Hedera that's building it.
It's not Hashgraph that's building it. It's not Hashgraph
that's building it, though Hashgraph might be a little bit more in line. It's going to be
Skagax that's actually going to be building it. Speaking of things that end with X, kind of like
SkewX, like what we see with them working with Mondelez, it's a middleman who is actually building
out the infrastructure to handle it. And we're going to continue to see things like that.
You know, it might not be a council member that's actually working on it.
It's a council member working in collaboration with somebody else.
Well, here it's a country working in collaboration with a company that's going to do it for them.
Yeah, I think it's certainly a big, well, more than a big, it's a huge opportunity for experienced developers on Adara.
I think in the years to come, there will be a lot of demand, I think, for development teams that have some experience.
Obviously, it's not that hard to get started on it there, but still, you need to know what you're doing.
And I think those teams that have been building the last couple of years will have plenty of work in the time to come.
So that's really exciting.
All right.
And, yeah, we're back in the coinbase 50 it seemed like all this news just
came all at once uh all in the same day or within uh two three days so that's well um it goes like
that more often and not just on the dera um you know for the broader crypto space there was uh
just a bunch of news coming up um do you think it's coincidental that HBR was re-included in the Coin50
at the same time that Canary Capital files an S1 for the American-made crypto ETF,
the basket ETF that you've been talking about a lot,
and also the Vanguard news coming out.
It's almost a little coincidental that all the news is coming out in the range of two, three days.
What are your thoughts about that?
I'd say being included again in the Coinbase 50 is probably the biggest news we've had this year. That sounds crazy with everything that's going on with the spot ETF and Accenture, everything that they're doing with Equity Labs and AI.
But it's important to have capital in our ecosystem. And I think that when those basketed ETFs start to hit the market, it will outpace or eventually outpace some of the Bitcoin ETFs that are out there.
Again, people aren't going to want to try to pick winners, whether they're institutions, whether they're hedge funds, whether they're individuals, whatever it might be.
They don't want to try to pick winners.
They just see the potential in the space.
They don't want to do too much work. And they're just going to say, hey, this thing sounds good.
It's going to automatically rebalance for me. So the fact that HBAR should have been included in
the Coinbase 50 and hadn't been, that made me assume that there was something about Hedera,
whether it's the council or whether it's perceived centralization or whatever that might be
that was preventing us from getting into that. Now, there's going to be a winning basket in
crypto ETF. I don't think it's going to be an actively managed product. All the luck to
Canary Capital with their American ETF.
You can go down the line.
RWA, there's going to be ETFs, but there's going to be one that's a winner.
I've interacted with ChatGPT and Gronk and all that kind of stuff and asking which one of the indexes is likely to be the winner? And the number one index over and over again was the Coinbase 50.
CoinDesk 20 was a second, close second, but the Coinbase 50 was the most important.
So there's likely going to be an ETF based off of that index or something similar that's going to end up being the winner,
that's going to attract tens, hundreds of billions of dollars.
And for HBAR to be guaranteed almost at this point, because we're both in that CoinDesk20
and the Coinbase50, we are going to be one of those.
I've been talking a lot in my shows recently about there's been a demarcation line over
the past year.
We saw Ethereum and Bitcoin make new all-time highs
where a lot of the other tokens have it.
And I think that's because of the maturation
that's taken place in their ETFs, their spot ETFs.
But a lot of that capital that's in there
when the Bank of America came out the other day
and is suggesting the clients have one
to four percent of their portfolio in crypto. They're not just talking about Ethereum and
Bitcoin. They're saying crypto. Well, what makes the most sense to go into? Well, the most liquid
basketed ETF. You're going to get exposure to Bitcoin. You're going to get exposure to Ethereum
and then all of these other assets. So the demarcation line
is no longer going to be between Ethereum and Bitcoin and everything else. It's going to be
the tokens that are in that Coinbase 50 and everything else. And I think we're going to
see significant outperformance. The other thing that's really good about these indexes is they
underweight Bitcoin, Ethereum, and some of the other top tokens,
and they overweight the lower ones just to kind of even it out a bit.
It's just Bitcoin when it comes to the Coinbase 20. They have a 0.39% factor for Bitcoin. So they
pretty much only weight 40% of Bitcoin and its market cap compared to everything else, which has a 1.0.
And I think the CoinDesk 20, they kneecap Ethereum and a couple of the other tokens as well.
called Bitcoin and Ethereum, are going to slightly outperform those top tokens if the money flow into
those ETFs is even. So it's going to be interesting to see. I think people are vastly underestimating
the impact that that's going to have. Now, if we do enter a nasty bull market over the next few
months, and we'll just say the four-year cycle holds firm and
we go through a nasty bear market. It could be the next up cycle where we see these things
have more of an impact. But I just have a feeling that it could overwhelm any sentiment and people
could get caught off sides next year because of the flows. And they are like, oh my gosh,
there is going to be another leg up now
this is not of course financial advice this is just me talking personally not the opinion of
saucer swap or anything like that uh but yeah i think they're going to have a huge impact and
i've been talking too long already no no never too long as long as it's interesting and uh it
certainly is uh uh it's a very interesting you know of discussion, and I agree with everything you said.
I think the basket ETFs will have an incredible impact on the tokens, mainly that are in there, of course.
We have some new people on stage as well.
Oh, I left another person on stage as well.
She was here for the first time, but maybe you actually were talking too long,
because she left again.
But all good.
Ryan, okay, Solomon, welcome on stage as well.
I think this is the first time for me to have you on stage.
You probably joined more often before I think that was when when
Jack was still hosting but it's certainly been a while so have you been
and how are you going I just came to get financial advice from Brandon so I'm
gonna probably hop in a couple of seconds here but no good I don't think
I've been in a Twitter space probably I think I joined one of Tate's Twitter
spaces a month ago but here we are again no I mean I think I've been in a Twitter space probably. I think I joined one of Tate's Twitter spaces a month ago, but here we are again. No, I mean, I think it's been a really
interesting year. I think everybody's a little bit tired. I don't blame anybody for being tired.
I can't imagine how much people have done this year from kind of the builder standpoint, but
Brandon kind of alluded to it a little
bit i've talked about it a couple of times i i won't get too much into like the financial product
stuff just because i think that yeah it's great that you know hbar is included but i i literally
think in a couple of years you're not even going to be able to count the amount of financial products
and crypto so it's kind of you know it's great to be included. But one thing I think is a little
bit interesting and weird is like, you know, for those of us that have been here for more than one
of these cycles, and I've been a proponent of kind of this four-year cycle for like, you know,
and videos and stuff like that. But I do think it's really odd. If you go back to 2021,
these bull markets have like normally ended with like thunderous
applause and everybody's like you know prices aren't going to go down it's impossible you know
you start like investing in metaverse trailers like uh but uh like elon musk was on saturday
night live i think the exact top of the market in 2021, if I remember correctly. And in 2018, you had like, or late 2017, early 2018, because I think Bitcoin topped in 2017,
but alts at the very beginning of January in 2018, you had like Lipton IST rebranding to like Lipton blockchain.
Now here we are in 2025.
And for those that saw it a couple of days ago, Larry Fink and his second in command out of BlackRock literally wrote a love letter to crypto, blockchain, distributed ledger.
And not just, you know, this private aspect that we've been shilled from the institutions making it seem like public networks don't matter, but they directly call out public networks.
So we've seen a huge rhetoric shift, I guess, where I'm really
excited for, and I'll stop rambling. I think there's a lot of stuff to be excited about in
crypto. I'm actually really excited about the boring aspect of crypto. When are we going to
get to the point of Hedera being used on the back end of like some of these enterprises, like actually
seeing it being used or maybe not even seeing it, but just knowing from what's going on
on the network, because I have said this before, like, and I truthfully believe it.
I think crypto, DLT, blockchain are going to be embedded into pretty much everything
that we do as a society.
And it's just a matter of time.
And it seems like we're starting to get to that kind of operational phase of some of this stuff
especially
payments and banking and things like that, but you know
I'm excited for the really boring shit that needs to happen for this to really kind of go mainstream
But yeah, that's my ramble and yeah, thanks for having me on appreciate it
I'll probably hop in a couple minutes. I got a meeting, but I wanted to join in so
No, definitely
Yeah, feel free to it's a to hop off anytime thanks for being here
um yeah and and that's where the heat program comes in right so um it'll be uh interesting to
see uh how that that one develops um i think they're uh yeah they couldn't be a better suited
person than rob allen on that task and if of, it also depends on, like you said, if we do get, well, you and Brandon both, if we do get that blow off top, yes or no, because it just makes a lot of difference in, not just in, in, in, in gains, of course, of course, but also in attention.
of course, but also in attention.
So, I mean, the more attention flows to DLT,
the more companies will be open to exploring stuff
and going live with some use cases,
maybe take a little bit more risk
because they may be caught up in the hype of things as well.
So, 2026, I don't know.
It could be a very interesting year.
If you would ask, I think if you would ask any technical analysis,
yeah, influencers, so to say, two years ago,
most of them would have probably said 2026 will be a bear market
But as you said right now, it's just it's a little bit of a weird situation
Bitcoin has risen a lot most altcoins are nowhere near all-time highs. There hasn't been any euphoria
Not really well plenty of crazy stuff has happened already, but not really a lot of hype and euphoria yet so it's a little
bit of a weird situation and I think you can feel it on the timeline as well most most people don't
really know what's what's about to happen so it's hard to predict question. I think it's a very good question. I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question.
I think it's a very good question. I everybody's in a totally different situation.
Any single one person, even in this crowd right here is in a totally different situation. So
I think the one thing to take note of is, is that, you know, what some of the stuff before even,
I don't know when I was still doing like everyday YouTube videos, I try to do them now. But back in 2020, 2019, early 2021, a lot of the stuff that we were purely speculating on
as far as what could happen with crypto and blockchain, what could happen with adoption,
was pure speculation back then, but it's actually happening now.
So it almost seems like we're at
this, it's not really a matter of if, you know, adoption kind of at a mass scale is going to
happen. It's kind of like a when. And I guess that's kind of what to keep in the back of your
mind. And, you know, same boring rules apply in crypto. Don't invest more than you're willing to
afford to lose completely because it's super risky, all other jazz but for 2026 i mean i don't know i do think it's a i
actually kind of agree whereas if you would have asked me six months ago i would have said we're
definitely going to be in a bear market next year i don't know because it seems like i said it seems
like these bull markets normally i blow off tops with like exuberance and
like super greed and all these things and they don't normally end in fear and it seems like this
one may have ended in fear and it just makes me kind of sit back and wonder why that is it almost
seems like the markets are like intentionally being held back in certain regards but who knows
um that's just my two cents about it, but everybody's different.
Everybody's got to navigate these markets differently. I will say last point here that
I kind of have is, you know, we see all these stats about, you know, 15% of Americans hold
crypto. And it's like, I think that those numbers are like the same thing as if I were to hear like,
you know, our project just onboarded X amount of wallets. It's like, why, who cares about wallets?
How many active users do you have?
So when I hear like 15% of Americans, I tend to think like, okay, how many of those are
using crypto every single day?
Maybe 1%?
I would argue it's probably even less than 1%.
So that's still the context that I try to put things in as far as where we're at.
So that's still the context that I try to put things in as far as where we're at.
And I know everybody kind of wants this hyper bull market where everybody can get rich and buy Lambos and stuff.
But at the end of the day, it seems like we're headed towards a future where you might not have to totally sell crypto in certain regards.
And there's going to be all sorts of products.
And on-chain yield is just going to be able to out-compete some of the traditional
systems out there. So that's hopefully where we're headed. Yeah.
Yeah. I think it's, and also it's being in the Hedera community and most other Web3 communities is not just about financial gains, of course.
It's also most of us are fans, Hedera enthusiasts, so we like the tech.
It's cool to see and keep in touch with everything that's being built, stay up to date.
in touch with everything that's being built, stay up to date.
Personally, about four years ago, I thought, okay, let's, you know, I bought some crypto
in 2017, didn't know what I was doing, sold it again.
And then it only drove my attention back in 2021.
And I thought, okay, let's learn about this.
Let's try to digest what a distributed ledger
is how are they different from each other what why are they why are they important and impactful
and eventually i thought wow hedera that's the ship um i found the best layer one i did my i did
my research well um i did my job and my job and now let's make some money.
Well, later on, I learned, okay, it's not just about those fundamentals and those technicals.
You got to understand the broader financial markets because that's responsible for 90% of the, well, at least in the short term for most of the price action. So, yeah, a whole different world opened up for me after a couple months.
And I think this goes for most people.
You find out about it, Dara.
You're reading all this news and you're like, wow, this is amazing.
This should take off any minute.
And then it doesn't.
And then you start to learn about, about okay how do financial markets actually work so um yeah it's been um quite a journey and let's see how how this cycle develops
further but um i think it will be very interesting to see how the um sentiment around crypto and web
three is after the next blow off top and the next pool market ending that we have,
whether this was it or not.
Because I think, as you said,
those indexes will have quite a lot of impact
on the tokens and layer ones that will do outstandingly well.
And of course, in those indexeses there are more serious projects there aren't
meme coins there aren't nfts and and those were pretty much in the spotlight last blow off top
and that contributed a lot to the sentiment and and thoughts about cryptomab3 from from those
who weren't participating um and if that's going to be different this time, then, yeah,
I'll be interested in seeing how the narrative or the sentiment
has changed if the spotlight is mostly taken by those projects
or later ones, such as Adara.
And it's more like news like the Georgia news coming out and people diving into that and digesting how serious of a technology it is.
And not just in there, but some others as well.
I got to hop, guys.
But real quick, I actually on that, kind of in that note, I haven't announced it, but we have an interview with Grayscale.
I forget.
It's a day next week. So if anybody has any questions that they want asked, I mean, that's one of the entities,
obviously, that's been kind of knee deep in the financial product space for crypto for a while.
And I mean, I can't directly show Hedera in an interview with Grayscale, but I could still, you know,
say some stuff behind the scenes.
But if anybody wants me to ask any questions,
feel free to hit me up.
And hey,
awesome podcast.
And nice seeing Brandon up here.
And I'm assuming Joe from Earthlings or Patrick and Psyched Era,
Postmaster,
MRAC,
everybody up here.
If I don't see anybody,
happy holidays.
You'll see some more interviews here before the end of the year
But yeah, I really wish everybody a happy holiday. It's been a long year and take a break over the holiday
So thank you guys for bringing me up. I appreciate it
I'm saying man, thanks for being here if anybody wants to jump into that and say say something to Ryan before he drops off
Go for it.
I think he already left, though.
Yep, he's gone.
Okay.
Postmaster Kyle, welcome, man.
You had your hand up at some point.
Sorry for my rambling.
Oh, no.
Ramble away, man.
I actually just had the hand up because I was fat fingering the emojis. But I'd love to chime in.
I really have my eyes right now on commodities like Paxos and Tether Gold.
They've both broken the top 50 by market cap and are climbing by the day.
I don't think it's due to like gold going up either.
I think it's also due to the fact that like digital commodities and stocks are now the talk of the town. And so, you know, we're going to find that the hidden road to
mass adoption was through the USD coins. We're seeing like an inundated, like just getting
inundated the top 100 by USD coins. And that's really where the liquidity is going to come in
is stability in our market by bringing in that stable coin, US dollar.
Right. So I have a lot of my my indicators on the flow of those USD coins through bridges.
And yeah, it's exciting to see how much more real money is actually coming into crypto by the day.
The metrics don't lie. There's tons of institutions biting at the chomps.
And I think it's really funny, too, that it's working both ways where institutions are now
seeing the value as well as peer-to-peer and anonymous users. There's things like, you know,
chains like Monad coming out that are still competing with Ethereum, even though Ethereum's had, you know, like a crazy cut of the market.
There's still, you know, chains that are going to come out of nowhere that are that are getting attention.
So there's still money to be made there. But I do think the retail coming of age is coming.
the main focus and the chains that are able to capture the liquidity with US dollars first
to create really strong liquidity pools with real world assets will be some of the top indexed
tokens that Brendan was alluding to earlier and really capture that big transfer of wealth that
everybody's been chatting about for decades. So yeah, I really appreciate you having these and wise words from King Solomon as always.
Really looking forward to the talks that he has with,
what was it called again there?
Black, it wasn't BlackRock.
What was it again?
Grayscale, yeah, because Grayscale has been interested
in Hedera for a little while.
I have seen them talk and getting them to talk even about ISO tokens, I think would be a real good boost.
And ISO tokens have kind of been the talk of retail and the talk of institutions now for the last two years.
So it'd be great to see an index of the ISO tokens themselves or some type of ETF around that. I would definitely
invest in something like that. But yeah, I'll pass the mic back to you. There's my ramble for the day.
Yeah, so anybody up on stage want to comment on that or jump in or on anything that's been said
before? No, not even mrec
no i mean i you know i always have something to say
yeah that's what i thought so how are you doing for starters
yeah uh doing well uh not much to say actually
it's
all steady over here
perfect on brand I love it
is that Patrick
I'm just wondering
why no one is answering your question
is it just me
where everything is silent or is
space rugged is it just us
two now
Patrick are you not hearing you where everything is silent or is space rugged? Is it just us two now?
No, I think, Patrick, are you not hearing Niu?
No, I didn't hear Niu.
I'm like, why is no one answering MROC?
But I do hear you.
You might have to do a lap of the space, you know,
leave and come back to be able to hear Niu
because Niu has been talking.
I don't hear anything now.
I'm just gonna shut up because I think I rugging and I'm probably just messing up space
Patrick can you hear psyched yeah he's talking to me so yeah definitely he can hear me
no I don't think he was talking to you you can't he can't hear me either he He wasn't talking. He just talked over you. Can you hear anybody other than me, Patrick?
No, we can't hear you.
Okay.
All right. Yeah, no. So I originally came up here because I had some observations about
the situation of things and just how I'm taking stuff in um because i i think
i i kind of operate in a unique sort of a way uh in this space because i'm sort of a hobbyist um
out here uh i don't i don't really depend on on this space as a as a source of my income so i'm
not trading i'm not like doing anything really other
than building and using other platforms and obviously supporting people along
the way and the things that I'm doing are I'm just kind of chasing experiences
and what have you so I'm just trying to find unique ways to apply the technology
if you would but I see things happening I I guess, as a trend. Maybe that
isn't being seen by a lot of different people. Because I pay attention to the noise that comes
from the developer space quietly, but I pay attention. And documentation's been getting a
bit better, so it's a little easier
to keep a finger on the pulse when new things are happening on the network in terms of capability.
So what I'm seeing is just a general move towards what would sustain this idea of mass adoption.
And I think that's a big deal because like right up until about now, that really hasn't been happening.
Like a good example is seeing a Dex like SaucerSwap move out into the mobile app space.
I think that's a great move.
a level of maturity. I think that's like, that's a really good way to evolve, I guess,
your exposure, because you actually are entering that mass exposure base, because the users that
are browsing those app stores and are more willing to jump into something that's a little less
friction filled. I think that makes a big difference in terms of adoption. And not just
that, the staying power, right? The more polished of an experience that somebody has, the more
likelihood that they're going to want to keep engaging in that experience, right? So I like
that. But it's not just that stuff. It's, it's things like, um, hash spheres, right. Facilitating, uh,
enterprise entering into exploratory phases. I think,
I think that's really cool. Um, and that's actually happening, right.
And that's a little more invisible because people aren't really, um, you know,
screaming to the masses about what they're building to support their internal
infrastructures. Right. Um, butructures right um but yeah there's there's
a lot of things that are sort of happening simultaneously including um easier on ramps
easier off ramps and just like more ways to use your crypto IRL in like real life situations
I think that's that's really interesting just to take in and appreciate because um I think 2026 is primed to be quite,
quite interesting just from a builder's perspective.
I think a lot of big boys will start to enter into the,
into the scene.
And I think that'll shake a lot of things up and it's exciting to kind of
imagine what that'll look like in six months and 12 months for sure.
But yeah,
that's, that's kind of why I came up because you guys were talking about a lot of what that'll look like in six months, in 12 months for sure.
That's kind of why I came up because you guys were talking about
a lot of that sort of stuff.
And it kind of interweaves and meshes into the idea
that everybody kind of wants, right?
Which is actually true mass adoption,
not just playing in the sand pit over here
or whatever you want to call it.
But yeah, that's me.
Yeah, no, method option is definitely happening right now.
I mean, it's not obviously Georgia.
It's not getting much bigger than signing MOUs with countries.
I mean, Georgia might not be a leader or a big country per se,
but it's definitely interesting to see how that will play out.
And I think many bigger countries will
be looking and will be watching how this develops and what exactly they'll be doing and yeah we
we touched on the the infrastructure that has to be built um a little bit and at some point it's, it's, I don't know, it's easier to replicate.
Of course it's,
you don't have to,
what's the English expression?
You don't have to find out the,
the wheel again.
Patrick,
do you know what,
what I mean?
Are you still here by the way?
I think Patrick is just gone.
He said he's rugging.
So yeah,
he's rugging.
Yeah. No, I think Patrick is just gone. He said he's rugging. Yeah, he's rugging. Yeah, he might say quite.
Yeah.
No, I think if this takes off,
and Georgia will make for the right example,
many others will follow.
So it'll be definitely interesting to see what 2026 will look like.
And regardless of the markets,
we've seen it the last couple of years
the last about four years three years that development is not necessarily depending on
the market but did somebody uh jump in there was it patrick or i guess my ex is working a little bit as well. No, that was me. I unmuted by mistake.
All right.
Okay, well, anybody wants to jump in here
or should we toss the mic to Joe?
Hey, hey, I missed the first 50 minutes,
so can you start over and give me a recap?
Thanks.
Yeah, so the first 40 minutes were all Brandon
basically, so...
Yes, yes, that has become a nice
weekly update.
It's always great.
I used to reach out to Brandon
privately for all my updates.
Now I can just come here
because we get an extensive
one. Now it's in
the CryptoTwits space up on stage.
It's an interesting space.
It's more of a shell space where this is actually informative.
But I did tell them about the Georgia information and the state of Wyoming.
in the state of Wyoming. So for a bunch of non-Hedera people, the actual people from
CryptoTwits, we're excited and he's going to post some information probably about the Georgia
information. Ironically, I live in the state of Georgia and it will be great when all the states in the U.S. are adopting Hedera on some level.
Yeah. And what was up with the state of Wyoming?
Wyoming approved HBAR as one of the chains that they'll use to create their stable coins and wyoming's a leader in
in u.s crypto as far as states go so in my opinion a lot of people are sitting back and
watching what wyoming does to help shape their future decisions for crypto
future decisions for crypto
Nice alright, we've got some
Some legends in the audience as well seeing the ruler Maui and
Well, the H4Bull of course, but he's here behind the SalsaSwap mic, SilkSuite, Ned Ned, good to see you as well
Hopefully I'll be able to to get to next monday space with wolf as well last monday i
had some some technical issues but uh orbit extra p man chris uh h bar suds lenny so um carlos so
if any one of you guys and fly sorry for missing you but if any one of you guys wants to come up and
share a little bit or ask some questions feel free to do so goes for anybody in the audience
if not we reached the top of the hour and we covered most of the news so this could be the
place where we wrap up the space but yeah feel free to jump up before we end the space.
If you have anything to talk about, to share or to ask.
I'll check the comments as well because I always forget to do that.
Maybe there are some questions in there.
Yeah, NetNet is saying, because we were talking about the market about 2026, of course,
NetNet is saying that if we're entering a bear market right now,
I'll try to shorten this, but it should not be a terrible one
because we didn't have the euphoria of the the previous bull market tops
yeah so it could mean that we will be seeing a shorter and a shorter bear market with a less
steep decline but um hopefully well that's at least what i'm hoping we'll just um go up from
here again and have that blow off top and then then, well, we'll see from there.
We'll have to position ourselves for the next bear market.
So let's see.
Maui posted an upcoming space as well.
And yeah, definitely check out the comments because postmaster um share the link for rep
decks there's an nfc raffle going on from lenny
all right yeah i'll do a quick shout out for all the upcoming uh ongoing mints right now because silk suite they got a mint
live right now for their ino nfts as well as their escrow nfts for the silk token that's going to be
a big one uh with them being one of the two or three leading dexes on hedera so yeah be on the
lookout for that the wrapped eggs they have a mint ongoing right now on Atlantis for the wrapped ones so that mint is ongoing currently as well. Other than that there's a few spaces coming up I think tomorrow at 1pm eastern there's going to be a big space hosted by Stone from XRP and that's in collaboration with H Suite so that's going to be a big cross-chain space
because Stone is hosting and they're hosting Hsuite
and they have a big announcement coming.
So be on the lookout for that, y'all.
And of course, we're always doing spaces,
Monday to Friday, 11 a.m. Eastern,
setting the bar spaces.
They're always there for the community to come hang out
and talk about
anything and everything not just crypto related but personal as well yeah we get deep with the
people behind the projects and behind the pfps so yeah that's that's super awesome but yeah the
stone space with h suite tomorrow that's going to be a banger 1 p.m eastern i feel like the whole community should definitely show up for that one and really make some noise
let's go
hi marcus we're actually wrapping up the space but you requested to come up so uh i wanted to
check if you had any any thoughts thoughts regarding the topics we discussed.
So go ahead. What do you have for us?
I'm a 2D illustrator and a nominator and I'd love to contribute my skills into your project sir.
I see, I see. All right now feel free to leave some links in the comments and if people need an artist they can reach out to you.
See what your art is all about.
Alright, so I think we should read...
Sorry?
I said should I send you a direct ah no no we have our own uh in-house designers so thanks
but um yeah all right guys i think we'll um we'll close it down here um let's see if we missed
anything no so make sure to um to show up on stone space together with silkswee
tomorrow i saw a couple posts about um yeah being some big news they'll be sharing so excited for
that thanks for being here have a great rest of your day uh happy friday's eve as jordan would
say enjoy tomorrow and have a lovely weekend.
And then let's see how this space has evolved in the next seven days.
And what we can talk about then.
Because if it's anything like the last seven days, we'll have plenty of stuff to cover again.
Thanks for tuning in.
See you guys next week. Thank you.
