. Thank you. so Thank you. Thank you.音楽 You are welcome.
You are welcome back to Cowie Plaza.
What a nice and cozy group we have at the moment.
This is my first Kali Plaza of the
year. So last week, I have no idea how it went, so I'm curious to hear about that. It
was hosted by Ekwa, Brendan, Patrick and probably Joe, although I don't know, not sure. Let's
see, let's get Earthlings up on stage as well Brandon is your personal account good in the audience or
would you like to have it up on stage so you can talk about
stuff you cannot talk from the Celsius web account
about yeah that's probably a good idea I'll bring them both up
it'd be great to see them both have like an argument with each other
I feel like that sometimes
I can have multiple thoughts in my head
the energy on the timeline man
a lot of talk about geopolitics.
Most of the conversation, even on crypto Twitter, is not even about crypto anymore.
So, yeah, curious times we live in.
The algorithm, the new X algorithm is also a topic of discussion. Seems to be the case that crypto and everything Web3 related gets throttled pretty heavily. well or if it's just something we talk about but maybe retail consumers aren't just aren't here
curious to hear a little bit more regarding regarding that from your side as well and
yeah everybody in the audience if you would like to join the conversation or you're something else
to share or a question for any one of us just um yeah feel
free to come up or participate through the comments we'll keep an eye and then we'll we'll
cover whatever you guys have to say uh up here so and of course don't forget to like and repost
the space because the algorithm is already harsh enough on us so we need all the reach we can get
so please repost the space like it leave a comment maybe even tag some people if you want them in here and um yeah let's
get some more people up in here to talk about hedera hbar and the broader web3 ecosystem
nfts everything that we like um yeah the more the merrier so that being said equa um how have you been how are you how's last um last week's face
hey new uh last week's pace was good we missed you dude uh i was rugging a bit uh here and there
because my data was giving me trouble but uh brandon joe patrick were all there we were all
there uh keeping the ship afloat uh yeah we did not tarnish the reputation
of kabila i'll say that for sure uh yeah other than that we definitely missed you dude welcome
to the new year first space of the new year for you that's great hbar is looking hot dude like
everybody's talking about it there's so much going on as always i'm sure brandon will go
and take a deep dive into all the things that were announced in the last week.
But yeah, things are always happening.
It's a slow steady time in crypto, but Bitcoin is showing some strength.
And yeah, it's always a good time to be in crypto.
We're always early because there's just so much more room for growth and improvement.
Yeah, I've been well. I hurt my leg a bit.
So I've been recovering, resting, but yeah, everything's fine.
Things are looking better.
I had a suspected partial ACL tear, but then it seems like it's recovering pretty quickly
so it might not be a proper ACL tear.
So, I'm lucky, fortunate.
I had a little surfing accident about like eight or nine days ago.
Yeah, but I'm recovering well.
Shout out to all the people who join us every time.
Let's go Thursday morning, Cabby Plaza time.
Yeah, you say Thursday morning. What time do you have it?
Or it's not morning for you, is it?
No, it's a Thursday morning. It's like, it's night for me, bro.
Like, I'm just, I know it's afternoon for you.
I know it's like almost evening for you. So yeah, but we, we work on Western time,
you know, we work on the American time zones because they didn't overpopulated the crypto space.
So shout out to the Westerners for being early adopters of new technology.
And yeah, but hell yeah, dude.
It's always GM, you know, it's always GM when it's Web3.
It's always morning somewhere.
And Nikita approved it again, right?
He said it's fixed, so we probably can
GM on Spaces as much as we want
without getting punished.
Jack Diamond, maybe Zorro in the audience,
I don't know, Postmaster, of course.
All right, good morning to all of you.
Yeah, and by the way, help me remind,
the news about the Hedera Foundation,
Sword of Sunsetting, HBAR Inc., etc.,
was that before last week's space?
Did you guys already discuss that,
or was that after last week's space?
I think it's been a while since that announcement came in.
It was before the last week's space, for sure.
So no harm in covering it at all.
And also, I'd like to say, it's not like complete sunset on the Hedera Foundation, right?
They still have funds left from the previous grants that they had.
And also, they have a lot of
grantees that they're in touch with and still working closely with so they only
pivoted into saying that oh we're gonna focus on making sure all of our
previous grantees are successful I think they still have some loose loose
age bar to give give out but their funding was cut short by a few billion hbars
ecco you rocked so much last time i still remember the space more than you do because
all of a sudden i had to host it and i was like i'll just let ecco do his stuff because he's good
at it and then all of a sudden i was put on the spot but we messed up nicely and still had fun but
nicely and still had fun.
But with Brandon, we did speak intensively already
about the HBAR Foundation.
But I did see, well, sources what I have now to say,
but we know who's behind there.
Brandon, I did see you raise your hand.
So maybe you want to continue on it.
By the way, I want to defend myself real quick.
I said sun setting, but I took that from Brandon's YouTube thumbnail, actually.
But maybe that was just an over-exaggeration to have some clickbait going on on YouTube.
Yeah, Brandon is a visit.
That's how you do thumbnails, you know?
But I think there are a few points around this.
I don't think it's too far off the mark to say they're sunsetting.
It's just going to be kind of a long burn because they do have these obligations that they said they're going to continue to fulfill.
All the current grantees are going to continue to get their funding as they hit the milestones, that's going
to take a long time because a lot of these milestones take a while to hit. I think, and
you're absolutely right, ECWA, they do have funds that are still available to them. And I do think
that they are going to facilitate things, but I don't think it's going to be the grants as we've
kind of thought of them in the past. I think it's gonna be purely for, hey, we need this piece of infrastructure,
this connection or whatever it might be,
more behind the scenes stuff of making sure
that the ecosystem has all the infrastructure in place,
but not exactly some of the,
maybe the retail applications that we've seen in the past.
But I would be surprised if two or two and a half years
from now, the Hedera Foundation is still a thing.
I think they are trying to consolidate under Hashgraph, which is fine with me.
You think of the Hedera ecosystem holistically, and I don't think this is a huge deal.
I think we're going to keep moving forward, and we're going to be successful as always.
I mean, I don't know if it's a huge deal or not um but it's definitely i i took it as
really positive news um i mean the the people at hasgraph the the ones that i met uh had some
contact with um i've always been impressed with them and felt like they were more than capable of doing their jobs. So, yeah, to me, it's, I don't know, I really feel good about it.
And I think, yeah, it's a nice way to move forward.
And just before tossing it to Patrick again, I saw, what's the deal with HBAR Inc? And then, yeah, what's the deal with that?
And why does it exist now?
Why does HBAR Inc still exist?
I didn't know it before, to be honest. I still don't uh i didn't know it before to be honest
i still don't i haven't heard of hbar inc so it's just different entities there there's a
cayman entity uh that i believe is hbar inc and then i mean it's it's split up that's just kind
of semantics and kind of business how things were set up but um yeah one of them one of the two
entities is is completely going away
and the other one's sticking around.
So I wouldn't think too much about that.
The main bullet points we've gone over many times
that the grantees are still going to get,
the current grantees are still going to get their funding.
85% or thereabouts of the employees are no longer there.
A lot of those are going to go to other entities like Hashgraph,
and they will still fund some of those infrastructure projects
for the Hedera ecosystem.
I just saw that Charles Atkins was now mentioned as CEO of HBAR Inc.
in the World Economic Forum announcement from Heddaa.
So I was just curious about that.
But I guess that just means that he'll be around.
Betty Hedy, by the way, good to see you.
I'm seeing bespoke URL in the audience.
Seems interesting enough. um if you'd
like to tell a little bit about your project feel free to jump on the on stage as well same goes for
everybody else in the audience uh thanks for being here hey jordan welcome just uh popping in and
don't forget to like and repost space leave a comment We need all the help we can get with this current behavior
So all right, Patrick, I heard that you were carrying the show
and stealing the show last week.
Yeah, yeah, Agua was saying he was there,
but Agua, he lost his connection continuously but uh no but we did
have fun indeed and brandon helped me out so much as well but hey we uh topped it on the hour i i
at least when i so i had to ship so i told myself let's stick to the hour and we did so exactly six
o'clock we uh we quit the space so that's one uh for on the wall um yeah but um i
i don't have any other stuff to say i think um so i'll do a short intro i'm always surprised
ecua always has amazing long intros and now i'm hearing everyone thinking okay yeah but patrick
you talk even more sometimes but um with him it makes sense and with me it's usually just going
from left to right but uh yeah i don't think I've got anything more today.
Well, I don't know if Ekra's intros make a lot of sense per se.
Well, I'm just being nice there.
It generally is just a waterfall of positivity and it's nice.
You know, it's like everyone loves him.
loves the world if everyone was like ekra there would be no no war yeah before tossing it to
betty hedi i i wanted to ask i'm seeing some more um content from earthlings on x um asking
questions to the community if you could add one building in the city what would it be
an open world game feel alive to you
it's cool to see and the engagement is pretty good
decision you guys make purposefully
it's fun to see if you indeed do these
posts in a more engaging way, asking them for input.
It does indeed give you more input and it makes the community more communicate indeed on these things as well.
So, yeah, we're just trying to post some more stuff as well.
I would say it's marketing, of course, because you want to keep your ex alive and people interested in your project.
But yeah, it's fun to see that indeed.
Funny to say that funny that you that you noticed it as well, that indeed these kind of posts, they get a lot of responses.
So I was surprised with it, but it was the intention to do it for that so that it's working and people indeed respond to it that that was nice to see
yeah definitely and of course it's marketing but it's uh it's the right way to do it
i'd say and uh having a game and an open world game like this like earthlings is
is perfect for it so yeah we have we have many people now walking around like i think around 30
35 uh on a daily basis in the test server but it was a risk though, because my, the builders, they said, Patrick, I don't want to have people in here because it's the build server.
So it means that if we, if we add something, it might suddenly crash.
I said, yeah, but we tell them that.
They want to already see what we're doing so let's put them in so i i made a very clear intro text to everyone
okay guys we're gonna let you in a select group of people but please keep in mind this is the
live server because we're not gonna set up a new server uh just for for well it's gonna it's gonna
take a lot of time to copy this whole game to another server
and do an update there every now and then.
So that doesn't make sense, of course.
And they are very understanding.
And now, actually, my builders are very happy of it
because they found some crashes and errors and stuff
that normally you would only find out later on
when you indeed open it up to testers.
So, but yeah, they were very afraid that everyone was going to bash me for,
ah, it's crashing again, or I can't do this or that.
But no, actually, they're all quite positive.
So first I got Hellfire from my builders, and now they're actually quite happy with it and they're always peeking in that Discord chat to see who's doing what
the errors are. Okay, so you see Ekwa, I can rant on a little bit now as well. So sorry
for that. I'm going to close it with that.
Cool. Betty Hedy, welcome. It's been a while while i'm seeing you in the audience frequently but
i can't recall the last time we had you on stage though so how how are you doing yeah hi good
afternoon everyone hope everyone's good yeah it has been a while actually i've been um away
irl has been very busy and it's been very light touch for me in the space and i haven't made many
spaces or even kind of stepped up so it's great to be able to get up and kind of just say hello it's great to hear everyone's getting
on i have been listening and trying to keep up to date with all the kind of new things happening so
um you know it's still all positive and it's great to be part of so for me just want to pop up and
there's not a lot going on with us if i'm honest it's very much just ticking over being in the community but we are trying to spotlight hedera projects and we're
doing a new to hedera type uh focus for for january so the x algorithm is absolutely killing us um so
if you do happen to put us on on notifications that's great because we are trying to highlight
as many projects as we know within the Hedera
So please put the notifications on and like and retweet anything we put out.
We've done quite a few projects already and we've got more lined up for the rest of the
So any help will be appreciated.
And for us, it's just helping new people get educated about the amazing projects that are
So that's all I needed to say and I hope everyone's good.
I mean, you're an absolute Hedera legend, so it's good to still have you around.
You've been in the ecosystem since 20 or 19?
Yo, just for the the record Batty has a
um you can sell those you know but this is probably not the right time to do so but I believe since before Dara. Oh, that's insane, man.
You can sell those, you know,
but this is probably not the right time to do so,
but there's a marketplace for it.
Maybe it's holding on to them, you know?
It'll be worth a lot someday, for sure.
100%. Oh, yeah, definitely.
because, Brendan, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that if we start charting, then right now it's 0.0. and then, you know, your wallet number.
But once we start charting, it would actually be 1.0. and then your wallet number. Is that correct?
I think one of, so i think once we go from like
technically we're still in beta they still haven't gone to version one but i think one of them is
going to designate the version and then one of them is going to designate the shard and then the
rest of it is your account number so uh yeah i believe you're right i have two of the four digit
ones as well i was actually kind of bummed because the first time i tried i couldn't do it and then i had to go to see so i wasn't able
to do it until i got back but yeah those four digit ones at some point are going to be pretty
valuable i think you'll definitely need to i've had to re-key both of mine they were a little bit
funny that was a scary moment but uh re-keying on Hashpack, I have to say, was seamless and worked really well.
I had some help out from Memrack and a couple of others just to make sure I didn't make a mistake.
And on that, I do have to drop down to listening.
I do apologize to jump up and jump down.
Just got to do dad things.
Yeah, no need to apologize. It's great to have you you up here even if it's just for a couple minutes so
feel free to hop on and jump right off again um anytime you want all right um but definitely man
i think uh when wallet numbers start uh to the 10 or 11
or 12, whatever it is, the 00
cool to have and then the low digit
valuable in the future, so that's
pretty cool, but once you
proof of being early, so it's really that's what
these are the legends who have two you know like they've planned ahead brandon and daddy they both
have two of these wallets well one of them one of my keep i'm going to hold on to personally and
then the other one uh 1466 is actually the minting wallet for twigital so any of the um the nfts that are created through the the twigital app
um are created through 1466 0.0.1466 so yeah you can come up with all kinds of cool ways to use them
oh that's wild man i've got one five digit wallet um and i'm pretty uh pretty stoked with that. But Forges is...
I haven't seen those for sale either.
I was running the clock on the over-under until you caught on me.
Imagine being the first one in the space, Joe, and not being called up for 26 minutes.
Look, I'm used to being just left out on the front lawn.
Hey, wait, is somebody missing?
You just locked the front door.
The co-hosts expect me to welcome them first.
And, you know, before I finish that, we're already half an hour in the space usually.
So you got to blame Patrick and Ekwa.
And, I mean, if someone...
Laat me niet op de kast jagen, Ivo.
And I mean, Betty had jumped on stage and he put his hand up.
And I always go to the hand very quick.
So I'm sorry, Joe, but it's...
Oh, no, I'm just giving you a hard time.
It's a nice cold Thursday here.
I live in a part of the U.S. that's generally warm.
It's not Florida warm, but generally warm through the winter.
But we might actually have some snow on Sunday morning and we we average
less than an inch of snow per year so here that excites us I like snow but also like it to be gone
in two days after it happens so we're anxiously waiting it's're such a boomer, man.
Snow makes you stuck at the road.
You should see the video that Emmerich posted, Ivo.
He's just opening up the door and there's inches and inches of snow.
And he just shows a middle finger to the snow and closes the door right back up, you know?
So, I don't think that level of snow is fun for anybody, you know?
Just clogging up the driveways and everything.
I'm gonna take it that middle finger was a sarcastic middle finger.
We typically get, um, we get, and that's the scary one.
We get ice storms a lot more.
Or because the ground's always warmer here.
When we do get snow, it'll melt and then freeze in the ice,
and then snow gets on top of it.
And that's when it gets really dangerous.
So a nice just blanket of snow.
It's so quiet outside and peaceful when you have that.
I'll add a little fun fact to that then.
Because indeed, that kind of snow, especially when it's sunny and there's no wind and you've got a nice blanket
of snow that's beautiful especially for skiing of course but everyone sometimes you see these posts
because in the netherlands sometimes it snows a little bit and everybody's driving slowly and all
the trains are delayed and stuff like that and people say like why is this are these dutch people
Because, come on, in Norway, in Sweden, they have snow all year round.
And they don't have delays on the trains.
And they don't stand still on the road.
But that's the whole difference.
It's exactly what you just said.
It's because in the Netherlands, we get snow.
Then it immediately gets, it thaws down.
And you get this icy snow and then it starts freezing
in the evening again and that's what makes the the trail train rails the train tracks uh stuck
and gives you all these problems and the slippery things but up north it's this nice lovely snow
with sunshine so yeah just wanted to share that it's not crypto i know sorry evo let's get back to
subject yeah you know i had something in mind to say or to ask or i don't even know what i was
gonna but as soon as you start talking man thoughts just disappear out of my mind and i'm
just listening and oh yeah okay and then i think of something to ask and then you keep talking and then I think of something else to say and then you keep talking
and then it's actually what you're saying here is that it was so interesting that you forgot what
you wanted to say so thank you for the compliment yeah you have me completely uh flabbergasted
uh oh this sucks I had something something to say. It was interesting.
I remember that, but I don't
know what it was anymore. So thanks for that.
Well, we have those two. They happen in the summertime during major thunderstorms.
Typically, hail storms and tornadoes can be closely related.
The same storms produce both.
But an ice storm, so what happens is a cloud produces maybe snow, and then it goes through a warm layer, and it turns to rain, or it starts as rain.
But then it hits a cold layer and freezes before it hits the ground.
So that's an ice storm that and ice. So it creates slick road conditions. the 50s and 60s so the ground's warm and the sun shining on it so saturday will be like you know 15
degrees fahrenheit above freezing sunday saturday night it gets down into the the 20s so if it if
it snows overnight the ground will still be warm so a lot of that warm ground will melt the snow
and it'll immediately freeze into ice. So we get a thin sheet of ice over everything. And once that
ice keeps the ground cool, then the snow will lay on top of that. So you'll have maybe two or three
inches of snow, but under that you'll have a quarter of an inch of ice on the roads on the trees on the lawn on everything and that's what
makes it really dangerous in the southeast when we get those storms
yeah that sounds like it sucks a lot yeah it's it's funny when old people like me break hips and twist knees.
I don't go surfing anymore, Ekwa, but I could get just as injured walking to the mailbox.
Yeah, I didn't even get a chance to wish you a healthy recovery, Ekwa.
So I hope your leg gets well soon.
Yeah, I'm doing the stuff that needs to be done.
I'm not being too adventurous, just resting it a bit.
But yeah, it got back much quicker than I expected.
Because like five days ago, it felt like,
yo, I'm probably going to be on a bed rest for a month.
Because it was like really swollen in the knee and stuff.
But yeah, enough about that. How big are these waves that you're you're riding so okay i'm not a pro surfer
i was taking my first lesson okay joe so yeah no matter how young i am i was taking my first ever
lesson and the sixth time i tried to stand up on the boat and surf that wave is when I slipped off the boat and one of my legs got caught up on the boat and my other one hit bedrock and the one that was on top twisted by the knee.
Well, you're learning on rocks?
I couldn't imagine learning on rocks.
I mean, like, yeah, it is a sandy bedrock like there's no
like there's no proper rocks like but there are some rocks over there for sure the waves were okay
it's like a nice beach it was the waves were good enough but like i was still learning near the shore
you know yeah that's here we're on on our beach i guess in North Carolina, if you get some offshore action, you can have maybe a meter and a half, two meter waves, which is huge for the East Coast.
But typically, our waves are less than a meter and the sand is somewhat soft.
Yeah, same as you, like I'm a complete amateur, but it took me a whole day of bouncing off the sand to learn how to stand up.
So I respect your grind. Sorry you got injured.
Right, let's see if we can drag this conversation back to Web3.
Well, listen, nobody's showing up for Web3, so let's just talk.
I'm just kidding. I don't know.
We don't know what Fatboy's got to say.
Fatboy, I'm placing my bets on you.
I know I'm in HBAR when we're talking
old people's knees and young people's knees.
It's the pension blockchain we're in here, guys.
I can only hear bro, bro, bro so many times.
What are they talking about on the chains that you're uh frequenting
dude i just came from a space where somebody was threatening someone because they sold their bag
like they were ready to kill them i was just laughing my ass off and i was like yeah if that
guy had known i'd sold five minutes before that other guy so anyway and i just promptly left so
but uh and then i popped into here and you guys
snow that lands on the ground
and I gotta be careful when I go to collect
my mail and I'm like oh I'm
exactly it's all good though it Joe all good exactly
because once H-Bar kicks off
cutthroat and people vomiting
on each other, it'll be like a frat house
keep our sanity over here you know
I do have something I saw last night before I went to sleep.
I saw that, and I saw it again this morning on the video,
that there's a private group in Davos,
and Ripple, Hedera, and some others will be there.
Hedera is sponsoring the U.S. House.
I don't know if Ripple is involved in that, but I saw just last night that they would be there.
And I think President Trump's going, too.
So if anybody has any insight on that, that would be good from a non-retail perspective.
Because I think all of that hype helps retail, especially if there's some kind of documented proof that anybody from Hedera that's going to be there, I think there are going to be eight people there, get some time with Trump.
Well, Rob's not going to be there, but we're going to have plenty of
representation, but the USA house looks fantastic. I mean, the sponsors include McKinsey,
Microsoft. You are right. Ripple is one of the sponsors as well. Qualcomm, MasterCard,
Hedera, of course, is in there as well. So it seems like we're going to be with the right group
to see some of the stuff that comes out of it. But like you said, it's all about the narrative
that comes out of these things. And that helps retail just as much because it gets excitement
about the HBAR. And the other thing that just came out today, shout out to Genfinity. It looks
like they're going to have an interview that's going to be coming out Monday. And it's a use case from one
of the council members, Tata Communications. It's past proof of concept, past pilot. This is in
production. 1,300 of their suppliers are using a payment system that they've set up. And it also
has to do with Zane, one of the other council members. So two council members are involved
with that use case. So exciting stuff there.
But yeah, Davos next week, plenty of great stuff.
If I'm not mistaken, maybe a decade ago or more,
Tata was the most valuable business in the world at one point, wasn't it?
So yeah, Tata has a lot of arms.
It's an Indian company and they have a lot of arms.
But Tata Communications is just one sector.
There's the TCS as well, which is the tech sector.
They're in automotives and a whole lot of industrial things as well.
But the group in itself is definitely one of the biggest in India and around the world as well.
But yeah, they're pretty big,
dude. And this use case, the sneak peek, the teaser that Genfinity dropped today is absolutely
awesome. You know, they're planning to take it all the way, like beyond their clients. And also,
correct me if I'm wrong, Brandon, but they're also trying to make this platform publicly available that anybody else can come and use their settlement layer.
And they announced it as if it's like a layer built on top of the Hedera layer.
So it's their own ledger.
Layer 1, L2, and he mentioned L3.
That's the one that people...
That could be a terminology thing just because they're building a platform on top of Hedera.
I'm not sure if it's a layer two like you might see with Polygon on Ethereum because that's not as necessary for Hedera.
So I think we just need some more details around it, which I'm hoping will come out from that interview and any press releases that come from it. But I mean, if it increases the amount of token transfers we see on the Hedera network,
you know, all of that kind of stuff is nothing but good.
So yeah, I'm excited about it for sure.
Yeah, and also regarding Davos, like Hedera has been, I think it's the third year that
Hedera is being represented at Davos.
They're going big this year with the sponsorship of the U.S. House.
I didn't know all the other participants, so thank you for bringing it up, Joe and Brandon.
But, yeah, it looks jam-packed with legendary companies, you know.
So, yeah, this one's going to be great.
Hedera being in with the World Economic Forum,
being a consistent participant of the Davos conference, it's freaking awesome, dude.
I mean, obviously, with Web3, we've been a few times.
I know some other, I think Chainlink's been and done a sponsorship.
But with more going, that's great.
And it'll get some people that probably aren't as familiar as maybe some of the businesses around the world are as far as government officials.
But Trump going to the WEF at Davos is going to be interesting.
I think there could be some fireworks coming from that.
I'm anxious to see what he says when he has a platform at Davos.
Well, one of the things that...
Go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead.
No, your thing was probably more interesting.
No, your thing was probably more interesting, so please go ahead.
One of the things that I like about Hedera getting next to some of these other big players,
like I mentioned, we have Qualcomm there, we have MasterCard there, we have...
Hold on, let me take a look here.
Might as well bring it up.
Oh, yeah, Microsoft, McKinsey, so forth.
You just need a couple people in these entities, some of the decision makers
to go down the same rabbit hole that we do.
So many people that come across Hedera
just get so passionate about it.
And if we can get those kinds of people
in the right places that are decision makers
at some of these companies,
some of the stuff that can get built and come out of it
could just be invaluable for the Hedera network.
So whenever, of course, we have the council
and all that kind of stuff as well,
but whenever I see some of these new players
that are going to be alongside Hedera,
I get really excited about that.
Brandon, you probably have insight on this.
And maybe I've missed it.
Have Hedera and Ripple ever said that they're working on anything together?
And is there a possibility for that?
I mean, is there a fit that it could work together?
Well, I think Ripple is on the DeFi alliance, right?
And there was that interview between Adobus.
I think that, but I think that having people like Ripple, like I think Constellation, Cardano on the DeFi alliance.
Alliance. And us knowing that this is going to be a multi-chain world, that interoperability
is going to be key, just having those good relationships, I think, is going to be invaluable.
So when you start to create those standards and Hedera is part of it, I think it puts us in a
really good spot. But I don't know anything beside that so uh if you were looking for anything beside the defi alliance i don't have it for you sorry can you call um garlinghouse and ask him
i'll check with i'll send him a message all right perfect but joe i feel like on this topic i feel
like ripple and hbar are still competitors right because they provide the same services
be working towards interoperability and getting both chains more connected but i i like right now
with my limited insight i don't see a use case where they might have to collaborate and come
together because both of these chains in themselves are so complete.
They don't need to rely on each other for any solution.
I feel like they're absolute competitors when it comes to any service that they can provide. Because they can do it all, right?
I think HBAR and XRP are really great futuristic layer ones, which provide a lot of the same features.
provide a lot of the same features.
So, yeah, it's hard for me to kind of imagine a use case
where they might have to come together and provide it together.
But interoperability is definitely something that they should be working on
and all major change should be working on.
Brendan, you were saying the DeFi alliance.
I guess you mean the DREC Alliance, right?
Yes, I'm sorry. The DREC Alliance. You're right.
Yeah, yeah. Just some sleek advertisements for DeFi from a Salesforce swap account. I get it. I get it.
Well, we got both, right? We have the DeFi Alliance and we have the DREC Alliance. Two different animals.
But we have the DeFi Alliance and we have the DREC Alliance, two different animals.
I think it's time we hear some news from the DREC Alliance, by the way.
It's been a while since we heard something come out of that corner.
And especially knowing that Lehman is mostly focused on that and so many
other big brain players and organizations have come through and partnered up for that as well
yeah i feel like whenever they do announce something it could be a game changer right
yeah yeah well we're on the direct alliance as well. But it's just missing someone who's putting the card
or pushing the thing forward.
I also saw that Charles H is coming back to this year's Hedericon.
So that'll be interesting to see if they have any updates there.
Oh, wait. First the hands of
Jordan. Go ahead, man. And welcome on stage.
Seg. Thanks for having me, guys. Nice to see you,
Joe, Patrick. What's up, guys?
So, this morning in Stone Space, actually, an interesting thing came up that's pretty
And I might have misunderstood because it was near the end.
And they kind of had to cut things off.
They had a hard stop at the top of the hour.
But Seminole with H Suite actually came up to speak.
And apparently, H Suite is working on some things
in the back end that he basically all but said
they're bridging XRPL and Hedera
and essentially said that there will be H Suite,
the token from Hedera bridged over to XRP
and available there in a,
they were saying in a deflationary way.
So I don't know exactly the details about that.
And they also said that like, they'd be opening it up to other tokens that want to bridge
vice versa, like from XRPL to Hedera or from Hedera there over to XRP.
But I think they're working with Stone in terms of having that more fully announced.
more details will come out in the next couple weeks or maybe even sooner but um it was pretty
interesting here about hearing about that this morning and i think that space was recorded
yeah and in a perfect world and we'll get there sooner than later um because i like a lot of the XRP brands and projects as well.
If it's all easy and there's a balance in value,
if I could hold all of my XRP things in one wallet
and they could hold all of their things in their favorite wallet,
that would be, will be a perfect world.
I hope that happens i hope that it's that
um sorry joe but that exists right now as well right like that's what they brought in with their
new wallet the eight suite native connect and i know some people have access to it already
but it is a wallet where you can hold both your xrp and yourBAR assets. So yeah, it is definitely a game changer.
And the easy transition for both. I mean, that's been my dream since 2000 is like,
why can't I just put everything in one place? And I understand I have two different banks and I can't
put things from one bank into the other. I can move them back and forth fairly easily now a lot easier
than i could obviously a decade ago um but um it would be super nice to have an all-in-one
place to to store and keep everything well it comes down it comes out of just bandwidth and
appetite so now there's an appetite for you know like a few years
ago it was just h bar h bar h bar but obviously we've got a lot of people running across the xrp
so it means that there's an attention there so it's worth putting the effort in so yeah this
h suite guys have built this wallet and it's going to hold your hbarn your xrp and you know it's from the
information i've got you know they could add it they could they they're basically going to do
what phantom wallets done phantom wall does solana it does eth it does a bunch of different
it does sui like you know it's it's not so much groundbreaking as it is an appetite that people have. So, you know,
wherever H Suite go, they'll just
nodes anywhere else, you know, whatever
what it is. It's the same as what Phantom Wallet
Yeah, and it's good to see that appetite,
that the cross-chain context that people are building right now,
the cross-chain spaces that we're having more and more often.
Yeah, I was always pretty isolated in Hedera,
and I'm really making some more content in the XRP scene.
Like even met Buva the other day,
well, a couple of weeks ago in Germany.
So it's, yeah, that's great to see.
And I wanted to circle back to something you said, Fatboy, that when H-bar pops, you know, that you said that we had to enjoy these moments that we can talk about snow and old men'sats and vomiting over each other, etc.
And I don't know if that's true.
And I choose to believe that it's not true.
But when I think back to the last mini-all season we had,
sentiment before that was, oh man, in the slumps as well.
People were hating on each other.
everybody started making money,
it was actually a lot better. People
were hyped and positive, and
it seemed to me that it only
improved the situation. So,
yeah, thoughts about that,
if you're hosting your own spaces and you're all friends
with each other then yeah you're probably
not going to have the same effect what I was meaning
is an overall trend across
you know though if suddenly
you know HBAR explodes and
doing hundreds of millions of dollars a day
you're going to have other guys who
will just start hosting spaces
their squad from Solana or Sui or Ethereum, and they'll dwarf out with their own spaces,
like, you know, massive amounts, and, you know, with growth, there's always pain, you
know, and that's not a bad thing, I mean, I'm not saying everybody on Solana's killing
each other, I know tons of spaces I go to everybody's totally cool but it's the what I meant more was the amount of projects that will just you know churn through
just the way it is like pump fun style it's just churning through and they're they're popping up
people are going crazy about one thing or happy for five minutes or another and then collapsing down and moving on to the next one
you know, the tight-knit communities
smaller with each other, you know, because
it's just really hard to keep up
because there's tens of thousands
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense
Does anybody else have some thoughts around that?
Well, yeah, it's just more personalities coming in and you get a lot more different
people that can clash. And I've been in a lot of those spaces too, where it can get wild and hectic.
And yes, this community tends to have more of a filter.
And even when we're bashing it, it's a lot of times in a joking way.
And it's with people that you already know and have a relationship with.
And there are some pretty angry people in this world and they have money too so it can get aggressive
yeah i'd say part of the existing community will probably um clash as well and i know what you're
saying like i um yeah i've been in some of those spaces as well. I feel like a big part of the existing Hedera community, though,
and that's just what I'm thinking,
would just zone out, take a step back,
because a lot of the people who are now in the Hedera ecosystem
aren't really the type of people who clash with each other or get into arguments
or heated conversations on spaces, etc.
I think, of course, some of the community would,
but part would just take a step back
we'll see what the community looks like
once the dust settles again
and that of course doesn't help in the balance
so I guess things could change pretty quickly
once more people enter the ecosystem
I don't know if anybody else wants to chip in here
but we have Dini up on stage as well
welcome Em Anybody else wants to chip in here, but we have Dini up on stage as well. Welcome, Em.
Hey, bro. Good to meet you. What's up, what's up?
I'm good. I'm actually... I'm not really new to HBAR, but then I'm actually new to HBAR. My problem right now is I don't know when you guys have your spaces because I would love to know more about HBAR and the only way I can do that is by hopping into spaces. So is there more like a schedule?
So is there more like a schedule?
Yeah, there actually is a schedule.
I'll post the account of the HBAR wall in the comments.
And basically all the scheduled Hedera-related spaces are in that calendar.
So you can find them there.
Oh, that will be really great. So you can find them there. Oh,
that will be really great.
It's good to be here with you guys.
And this space is regular as well.
We barely ever miss a week.
So every Thursday at 11 a.m.
you can find the Kabila open mic.
And on all other days, Monday to Friday at 11 a.m. Eastern, you can find the Kabila open mic. And on all other days, Monday to Friday at 11 a.m. Eastern,
Me, Lady H, and Spaghetti host a community space as well.
So, yeah, there's always an H-Bar space at 11 a.m. Eastern.
And there's a few others as well that happen on a Thursday and Tuesday and a Friday.
But, yeah, once you start hanging out with us, you'll make so many friends and such good memories
that you'll get a hang of all the spaces.
But yeah, thanks for joining us, man.
Thank you. It's good to be here.
And of course, if you want to learn about Hedera specifically,
I don't know if spaces are the best way to get there.
Of course, you can get to know the ecosystem
and the community members and stay up to date with some news.
But if you want to get a better grasp on Hedera basics,
just go on to YouTube and there are some wonderful interviews
with Leemann Barrett there and and mens armen of course and there's
there's plenty of educational content there as well and brandon so the hbar bulls account that's
up here as well um that's a great one to follow on youtube as well the hbar bull he covers all
the hedera related news every week in a Friday weekly update.
So if you want to stay up to date with everything that's happening on Hedera, that's the way to go.
And of course, if you want to stay up to date more on the retail side, on the smaller side, so to say,
so what's happening within NFTs and and within this community then uh yeah spaces are
the right way to go so okay i'll sure do that i'll sure do that thank you i think i need to
follow each each and every one of you in this space just to learn more
sounds like a good idea man um we also rebecca i you've you're always in the audience but i'd
love to catch up as well and hear from you i don't know if you're still there uh you were
throwing some emojis uh just a couple minutes ago but um yeah we'd love to catch up with you
as well it's been a while since we met in denver um who here is going to mi, by the way? Brendan, will you be there?
Yeah, I'm going to be there for sure I'll figure it out, not exactly sure
Everything I'm going to be doing while I'm down there
But yeah, I'm going to figure my way out down there
Also have a conference coming up in Puerto Rico
That's just going to be in a couple weeks, I think
So if anybody's going to be down there, let me know about that as well.
That sounds like a nice vacation.
Have you been to Puerto Rico, Brandon?
I've been all over the Caribbean, but I don't think I've been there.
We spent about three days in San Juan.
Are you taking the family or just you by yourself?
I'll be going down on Friday, doing some wine and dining and doing some networking,
go to the event for two days, and then I'm going to stick around until Tuesday with some other business.
well I know Joe is not going to Miami
so it's going to be tough to
he's going to be there for half a day bro
he's going to reach there Monday morning and leave
I literally might come in
Sunday morning and leave Monday evening. I literally might come in Sunday morning and leave Monday evening.
You're not allowed by Stephanie, so it's not happening.
I mean, it's the part of the seven-hour drive I have Tuesday morning
that is supposed to start at 5 or 6 a.m.
Oh, I keep forgetting to mute. Sorry.
For me, I don't have legal permission to enter USA,
so we're figuring out different routes.
No, I'm playing. I'm just trying to get a... You can float in from Cuba.
It's 90 miles and then four hours by car
from Key West, straight up the coast.
Yeah, so we're going to move from talking about snow
to talking about ice now.
I'll be targeted for sure.
I'm going to stay up for a ride. I'll be targeted, bro. I'll be targeted for sure. He's not coming in a fishing boat.
I'm already in talks with Rooster Cartel for my...
Yeah, and I'll also talk to Captain Ron.
Might just come in in a yacht instead of a boat, you know?
Might make a grand entrance straight to Miami Beach.
There'll be plenty of yachts coming in from the Caribbean if you want to.
You'll probably find a yacht coming in right from where you live
if you're that close to the shore coming to the F1 race.
For sure. close to the shore coming to the f1 race for sure um i'm trying to get like a visa because mine expired like a few months ago and then yeah because yeah uh but the earliest appointment
that's available it's in august you know it's a booked one but there is a possibility that we might get a pre-poned appointment if somebody cancels and stuff so yeah i'm on that
grind you know is there no is there no expedite expedited visa if you can prove that it's for
kind of work yeah you need like a letter or something you know and i i don't uh i don't
think hedera is gonna give me like a special invite for the hedera con i don't think Hedera is going to give me a special invite for the Hederacon.
I don't know. I might just play my cards.
If you need a letter, I'm sure we can figure out some.
Yeah, I would say I would ask all of the U.S.-based businesses for a letter that are going to be there.
I bet you can work it out.
Yeah, there is an emergency request if it's business travel yeah for sure yeah yeah i think a
lot of the u.s businesses um that'll be there need you i agree first first i would ask ed from the
dev rel for hashgraph see if he can hook you up with something
nah hell yeah now i love to be there I haven't met any of the people since hello
future live the first one ever in Los Angeles that was a good one fat boy was
there Brandon was there as well so many people from the audience showed up and
this one's gonna be epic grand right cuz it's pre-announced the previous the
first HederaCon was a huge success.
This one has been announced for such a long time.
And yeah, this is the place to be.
So yeah, I'm going to grind, dude.
I'm going to make sure I do everything in my power to make it to Miami.
So yeah, I'll take your suggestion, Brandon.
I'll try to get in touch with Ed Marquez and see where it goes yeah I'm undecided yet
I'll see if I can make it but it might be
if only it was this easy for everybody
succeed in getting in contact with Ed
It's a shame that we are not based in the States.
But, yeah, let's try to figure something out.
Actually, I could probably deal with Quigital.
I could probably write you something up.
I'm also actually interviewing for a company that's
based off of california so yeah i might get to hear about that job opportunity in the next two
weeks if that shit works out then yeah it'll be a different ball game altogether but thanks
everyone for offering the help you know like i'll definitely keep that in mind uh we got kabila twigital in the house right
here yeah we got a lot of big guns uh gunning for ecua coming to miami so i'm freaking happy yo
so yeah i definitely want to make it out there it's not an event that i want to miss
it's going to be epic i'll also make a vacation out of it because i'm like taking a 24 hour each
way flight to get there so yeah i'll probably stay there for like seven days.
But it'd be so awesome to meet up with everyone.
The IRL meetups is where it's at, y'all.
Those are the relations that we've been strengthening
and building up the community with these spaces,
with all of our ex-interactions.
And when you meet up in IRL,
everything just gets solidified so much and yeah I'm really
looking forward to it so thanks everyone for offering the help I'll see what needs to be done
and I'll definitely not hesitate to get in touch with you all.
Yeah in case you need another psych just reach out me too. I've got an LLC still since 2021 withheld. And yeah, I got you. If you need, in case the US government's like, hey, you need five US companies or something, just reach out too.
depending, you know, if my work doesn't let me with PTO,
because I'm also taking two family vacations that month.
We're going to Colorado and Hawaii with my side of the family
and my wife's side of the family.
So kind of TBD, but planning on it.
So excited to see everybody.
I haven't seen a lot of people since, like,
I went to eat Denver in 2022.
Yeah, you got held NFTs registered in the States, right?
Registered out of Utah, actually.
You're going to get that letterhead with dick and pussy coin on it.
He's going to get you right in here.
I was actually gunning for the dick coin letterhead, you know?
But it's a real settle for the held NF letterhead, you know, like It's a little settle for the hell then could you imagine the visa office like
Yeah, we call them weather heads over here, but yeah
Let's go right all right guys, I think I think I think it's time to work out the space.
Man, looking forward to the full Jamfinity interview that's coming up next Monday.
Yeah, the use case is already live.
The post says, ready to close things off brendan uh do you have any
feeling or idea for when we should see um transactions on on main app from this use case
well it's always kind of hard to tell and you know things can be live and you know we think of
you know we want to see you know the at my At My I O level of transaction volume of, you know, a few million or, you know, 100 million, you know, a week or or multi thousands per second or something like that.
Just because, you know, we aren't seeing, you know, massive amounts of transactions doesn't mean that it's not already live and we're not already seeing it.
You think about it, you know, one transaction per second is a fair amount. That's, you know, 3,600 every hour. So it may already be live. It sounds like
they've already been doing some of this. So I think it's probably, you know, already on the
network. Not sure. We'll find out next week. But, you know, the next thing is scaling and then all
of these things kind of compounding and working together to get us to the kind of scale we want to see on the Hedera network.
Sounds good. Sounds good.
All right. Is there anything that anybody would like to touch in the group before we close off the space?
um yeah i'll definitely jump in uh it's been slow on hedera with the nft mints but
Yeah, I'll definitely jump in.
yeah we got the hash hogs collection that are planning to launch in the next couple of weeks
or the next week uh that ad is looking good uh there i think they put in some work on that so
yeah i don't know the know the founder or the artist yet i'm in dms with them talking but then
yeah i'm inviting i have invited them to a space
and i'll invite them to the next cabbie plaza as well ahead of their mint uh yeah and uh other
than that ongoing mints right now i know there's some lost ones from fugitives minting right now
on kabila and centex and there's also the spirits of Ayahuasca collection by Psych Terra that's minting on Kabila.
So if anybody's into psychedelic NFTs, those are multifile NFTs with an animation in there as well.
Yeah, and priced reasonably as well.
So if you want to get some cool pieces of art, do check out the Spirits of Ayahuasca live right now on kabila and yeah i
hope there's more activity the january has been pretty slow for the retail side over here um yeah
i hope there's more collections more activity um i know gib is running right now there's um things
happening uh for the price action over there in the crypto markets. Yeah, I just love it when there's more excitement
and more energy into the whole ecosystem.
And yeah, let's just count days
because it's going to be back, y'all.
The heat wave is going to be back.
It will be at some point.
Hashogs, seeing you in the audience as well.
Looking forward to having you on on Caliaza maybe next week would be very cool um yeah with that thanks everybody up on
stage a quiet thanks for co-hosting together with patrick i don't know if patrick is still hearing
me i think he's at the dining table already but patrick anyway thanks for being here. Brandon as well with all the expertise and insights.
Jordan, Joe, thanks for tuning in, chipping in,
making the conversation and still being part of the active community throughout these times.
Rebecca, Hank, Experts, Abel, Postmaster, MRAC, Vespoke, URL, It's been a pleasure having you all.
Make sure to come back next week, every Thursday, 5 p.m. Central European time.
And yeah, just so you know, every space, every Cali Plaza is an open mic.
So everybody's welcome on stage.
If you have anything that you'd like to add
or just want to connect with some fellow community members,
you're always welcome up on stage.
Feel free to join the conversation.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
Have a good Friday tomorrow.
And then we'll see you guys next week. Thank you.