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$HBAR Open Mic - Kabiplaza #113 ๐๏ธ
Recorded: April 24, 2025 Duration: 1:20:12Space Recording
Short Summary
In a vibrant discussion, participants highlighted significant growth indicators within the Hedera ecosystem, including over 10,000 signups for Legends of the Past and a substantial increase in USDC liquidity. Strategic partnerships and community-driven initiatives, such as raising funds to educate students about blockchain, showcase the ongoing evolution and adoption of crypto technologies.
Full Transcription
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yeah Thank you. all right Siwa, Siwa, Kabbalah, Siwa.
Alright, let's go.
Welcome, everyone.
Usually we cut the intro a little short.
And I'm going to be honest.
I asked Agwa to let it run all the way because I was still getting my coffee.
But I actually didn't know that at the end there was this Siwa Kabila whisper.
So kind of cool.
We should do that every week.
All right, man.
I hope you're all doing well.
Welcome back to Kabil Plaza.
This is episode 113 already.
And as most of you know, we host these places every week, every Thursday at 5 p.m. Central European time to connect, to discuss some news around HBAR, of course, to get a pulse on the ecosystem and to spotlight the magnificent HBAR builders and creators.
So let's get started by getting some more people in the space. We can do that by liking the space and reposting it and leaving a comment and patrick has some technical issues again not the first time
but uh yeah it happens so um i hope you guys are all doing well joe let's start off with you are you running or not i am not i'm on vacation in
california for stephanie's 40th birthday so no running today it's 8 a.m here so we just got up
and going well that's that's uh well that's a great excuse, though. Congratulations with Tiffany's 48th birthday.
Did I get that right?
40th, yeah.
Oh, 40th.
Sorry.
48th birthday.
All right.
Well, awesome.
I think the weather over there is a bit better than over here.
I'm in the Netherlands, and it's raining.
It has been all day.
Yeah, it's perfect. It's going to be
70 degrees Fahrenheit and sunny.
So that's like long pants and a t-shirt weather.
Wow, that's perfect. Nice.
Well, thanks for hopping in the space anyway.
So I'm hoping Stephanie
actually allows that and you don't have to
fight over that
yes she gave me
she gave me the pass she's eating
breakfast so I had an hour to talk
to you guys I told her I couldn't miss it
oh great
awesome yeah we actually have
kind of a hard stop at the hour. I'm having dinner with a good friend today or tonight. He moved to Sweden recently and as you guys know I'm from the Netherlands.
in the country for a couple of days now.
So we're having dinner tonight.
Have to leave 45 minutes past the hour
and have to get ready still.
So yeah, hard stop at the hour.
So let's just get into it.
I'm still waiting for Richie
from Top Flight Football as well.
We discussed catching up on the space today.
Same goes for Jason from Mingoingo i don't see either of
them but well we'll manage without as well i'll shoot them a message while um you guys are uh
doing your intro so uh how are you doing man Hey, New, Brandon, Liam, Patrick, Joe, everybody else in the space.
Yo, I'm doing so well. I'm feeling so good. Life is so good.
Blessed to be alive every single day.
Yeah, it's been a nice day too. Good day at work, really hectic.
Got a nice workout in, got home home took a nice cold shower yeah nice and
ready for the space yeah everything's looking up can't complain and just love
sharing these good vibes all around awesome that's a great day so far I
actually put a workout in as well just before uh well i just uh take a shower too
uh well i didn't take a complete cold shower i ended with a cold shower but i i like to start
with just just with hot water um for the comfort so um and yeah markets are doing well as well
this uh this last week i haven't checked the price in i think about maybe even three hours now and
um that's a that's a lot for me uh these days like the last couple of weeks i haven't been
checking the price at all but this these last couple of days i've been checking it every hour
so uh yeah finally some energy in the market again uh great to hear that you're doing well Ekpa and I can't help but
wondering, you have a pretty unique accent, you know, it's pretty cool but
you live in India, it doesn't remind me of an Indian accent at all, what's
the story there? Well yeah, so I'm definitely influenced a lot by Western culture, for sure.
I love hip-hop music.
I have a habit of rapping.
So that's how I kind of got into this accent.
And that's why it kind of comes naturally to me. But yeah, my friends over here, they call it my spacious voice, you know,
because this voice only comes along when I'm talking to all you Westerners, you know, so that's how it comes to fruition.
Every time I'm on Spaces talking to all Westerners, yeah, my natural accent just changes.
Awesome. Now I'm very curious to hear what you sound like in daily life. Joe, feel free to hop in here.
like in in daily life joe up feel free to up in here yeah that's funny you say your spaces voice
um one of my best friends is from trinidad and tobago and um he sounds similar to me and when
he's working and and when we're hanging out but when his family um or anybody else from the west
indies comes around i can't understand anything he's saying,
even though it's in English.
So that's perfect.
That's hilarious.
Awesome, yeah.
Let's see.
Brandon, how are you today?
How's your week going?
What's on your mind?
I'm doing good.
I did another...
So last week I did an interview with, or I got interviewed by All In Crypto.
I had a blast with that.
I did one with Paul Barron just yesterday.
Didn't feel as good about this one, but I watched the beginning of it and it seemed like it was just fine.
He was a pleasure to talk to, of course.
And I think they just did post it.
So I put it up there.
I pinned it to the top,
just out there representing Hedera.
And then looking forward
to covering stuff tomorrow.
We have some really cool stuff
coming out around
the Nairobi Securities Exchange.
So they are moving forward
just like we would want them.
Let me see.
Let me see if I can find
the actual press release here.
All right.
Sorry about that.
So they're launching something called the Kenyan Digital Exchange.
So essentially it's going to be their digital branch.
So I'm really excited about that.
We've got a lot of other things that we're covering this week.
I want to give a congratulations to Legends of the Past because they have over 10,000 signups for the early access to their game.
So I'm excited about what they're going to have.
Then we have USDC continuing to increase liquidity on Hedera.
We have $113 million worth minted so far on Hedera.
We have a new listing with BitGo.
Great conversation with Michael Cantor
this week. I think that we're setting ourselves up pretty well for HBAR to be the actual medium
of exchange with AI, certainly within the Hedera and AI crossroads. But I want to go even further
than that. I want to take over and be the medium of exchange for AI in general. And I think with some of the standards we're putting in place, like Convey, I think we have the potential to do that.
I certainly got some other topics to hit on, but I'll leave it there for now.
Well, I mean, if there could be the transactional layer for AI and for transactional IoT as well,
that will be just insane.
I don't even have words for that.
And the potential is there, let's be honest.
Well, I discussed this last week that it does make sense in a lot of cases
to use stablecoins,
to use things like USDC as the medium of exchange.
For most use cases, 0.1 cents is a transaction fee that you can handle and it's no problem.
But for things like AI and transactional Internet of Things, specifically AI in this context,
HBAR being 10 times cheaper, being 1 one-hundredth of a cent, you may just opt to use that as your medium of exchange.
And I think that has a lot of potential.
And talking to Michael, he was thinking the exact same way.
And the way they've designed ConvAI, it is the medium of exchange to use HBAR to transact when it comes to AI.
So I'm excited about it.
It's a whole new area we could see demand for HBAR.
100%. I'm looking forward to either dive further into that or touch on some other
topics in a bit. I want to welcome Milan on stage as well. And I don't know how much time you've
got Milan because I know you're usually pretty busy. So, well, first off, how are you today?
Hey, Niu.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
I was actually listening to two spaces at the same time,
which is, I found out I can't do that.
I need to kind of switch, like, listen to that,
and then in my head I would switch to that voice
and switch to that voice, but it's not very effective, so I just decided to stick to one. So here I am and then I'm
programming at the same time, doing some other stuff. So I like to do a lot of stuff at the same
time because I can be quite easily distracted and if I divide my attention on several things, I become more focused.
Which sounds really odd, but it's how it is.
Yeah, I'm doing well. Again, thanks for having me.
What am I working on right now?
Just a quick little thing I'm trying out and we'll see if it works or not.
A quick little thing I'm trying out and we'll see if it works or not.
And apart from that, yeah, I definitely would like to tell everybody all the end users, all the projects on Hedera organizations to submit themselves as an end user.
Oh, I think.
Am I back?
Am I still?
Yep, I can hear you.
I was actually going to ask about that.
Yeah.
About applying for the
end user seat at Hyro.
Well, and it's cool
that you mentioned it yourself.
Can you tell the community
a little bit about what
that seat is about?
Sorry, I was starting off on a
on a monologue there. Yeah, so there's actually parts, right? So as everybody knows, or I think
most people know, Hedera donated the source code of the network,
of the Hashgraph algorithm to a project that is called Hiro,
which is created for that specific purpose and which is under the Linux.
Oh, okay. Milan dropped off. Is it just for me or yeah also for me no he's gone yeah oh and
oh that sounds a bit a bit horrifying the way you say Joey he's gone oh no
we lost Brandon for a bit there as well what happened
no idea when I heard Milan starting to rug on us, I kind of dropped off there as well.
Kind of strange.
Sad.
Okay.
Well, let's try to get Milan up again.
And if we succeed, then we can touch on this topic again.
I see he just left the space or no,
he's back.
Well,
that's the next thing up.
Okay.
He's back.
Milan,
soundcheck.
Can we hear you?
One,
two,
three test.
One,
two,
three test loud and clear.
All right.
Okay.
I'm,
I'm not allowed to walk around,
apparently by Twitter.
So I have to sit here, which is very difficult for me.
Because if you walk around, then apparently Brandon has some technical issues as well.
So we should avoid that.
So I take everyone with me in my slipstream.
Okay, I try not to move.
So what I was saying, so what part did you get? What's the last part that you...
Well to be honest I didn't catch a whole lot because your song was kind of weird and I thought
it was me but it apparently was not. So the only thing that I understood was that Hedera donated
its code days to Hyro and that's where it ended.
Yeah, so that was in September last year. I was actually there at the event in Vienna, in Austria.
So which is very impressive. It's something that's never been done before, that a ledger decentralized network
donated all their source code to any open source foundation, really.
And if it's even a Linux foundation,
you can't really have anything bigger than that.
So this is really a part of the whole decentralization strategy, obviously.
Now to implement different technical changes within the network,
there's a committee that votes on introducing those changes or improvements and so on.
on introducing those changes or improvements and so on.
This currently consists of Lehman Burt, who occupies the Lehman Burt seat.
Yes, there's a seat for Lehman Burt.
Which is obviously, you can't vote on that one because it will be there, it stays there. And then you have several other seeds and currently I think they're about like eight or six, seven,
something like that currently, mainly consisting of Hashgraph employees and some other contributors to the code.
So that's kind of where we are right now.
And there's an election coming up.
The election is...
So the nomination phase is until this Monday.
And then in May, projects will be able to vote.
Now there are two seats.
One is the contributor seat,
which is people who have developers
or people who have contributed to the Hyro code who can apply to that.
And the other seed is the end user seed, which basically represents end users.
And who are the end users?
Well, obviously right now, Hedera is the only public network that uses Hiro.
public network that uses Hiro. And so, well, basically all of our end users are on Hedera.
So, Kabila is an end user, EarthLinks is an end user. Any project company that leverages the Hiro
software, so the leverage in this case, the Hedera network, is considered as an end user.
Now, so first of all, in order to be able to vote for the end user seat, you need to be in the adopters file in GitHub.
Now, this is a little bit complicated. I will write a tweet about it coming days, how to do that.
But basically if Kabila says, hey, we are an end user,
they can add themselves to the GitHub,
and at that moment they're allowed to vote on who's going for the end user seat.
Yes, I have submitted my own nomination,
so I will be running for this seat,
basically representing the end-users on Hedera.
I would love for people to vote on me, but most importantly, I'd love for people to vote on he or she thinks is the best to represent the end users on the Hedera network.
So yeah, that's in short, I'd say.
But I'll write a tweet about it to kind of like to break it a bit down.
But I'll write a tweet about it to kind of like to break it a bit down.
Yeah, I think that would be good because it's not that easy to vote.
So not everybody can do that.
I believe we signed up as well, being Camila, and we're definitely going to vote for you.
I think you would be amazing.
And I think most of the community will agree on that so
yeah I think it's a spot that suits you very well but what does it look like when you're
if you would get that seat um in practice what would that look like and how how would you go about it? Yeah, so there's a...
So, anybody who wants to dive into the governance,
it's github.com slash hyrow hyphen ledger slash governance.
Basically, there the charter is described, what the TSC means, what it does. And so it's...
The TSC comes together on a weekly basis on Tuesdays.
And everybody's able to join these meetings, by the way.
It's a Zoom link and this is all public. Every meeting
on HIRO is public. Also the HIRO
community meetings,
which are bi-weekly on Thursday.
And so the TSC meetings are on Tuesdays.
And during these meetings,
so different topics are discussed.
So an agenda is prepared.
Different topics are discussed.
And then if there are enough TSC members present, which is mostly the
case because if you don't attend two in a row you're uneligible to vote so you
know you kind of have to be there and it's very important right it's very
important because the TSC decides on the technical implementation of the technical progress of the HIRO software.
So during those meetings, it could be like that a project is moving to HIRO, needs to be voted on,
or different tips or different kind of things can be voted on. It's also funny, I spoke to Lehman in,
I think it was in September in Vienna,
and I said, oh, that's funny, Hyro, that's also with an H.
It's Hedera and Hyro with an H.
So yes, it had to be with an H
because then you don't need to change, for example, HIP.
You know, the Hedera Improvement Proposal becomes the HIRO Improvement Proposal.
But it still stays a HIP.
So it's kind of a funny anecdote, I think.
And, you know, then HIPs will be voted on as well.
So it's very important.
You know, the TSC is very important. I know HIRO and, you know, the whole structure hasn't,
or I mean, I know, I believe, hasn't got the attention yet that it deserves.
But, you know, a lot of work is being done on HIRO level.
And I definitely encourage everybody to join those Tuesday
and Thursday meetings.
And I believe there are even more meetings.
And anybody who wants to contribute can actually
contribute in any way they like.
Perfect.
Well, thanks for explaining that and definitely make
a post about it.
And I already said that it's a spot that would,
or a seed that would suit you very well.
But more than that, I think it's very important
that people like you who've been in the HBAR community
for a long time, who have extensive experience
using Hedera actually apply for these seeds
and want to dedicate their time to it so um uh there's real
importance there so thanks for applying for that seat i uh i say looking forward to seeing the
post we'll um amplify it we're voting for you and uh well good luck thank you appreciate that
appreciate that very much awesome all right um let's move on because we're almost halfway past the hour already.
Time flies when you're having fun. Liam, how are you today?
Hey, everyone. I am pretty exhausted, not going to lie.
Had like three events last week and it was just too much for me.
So I've been like
recovering for the past five days while working um but yeah other than that all good feeling good
about everything going on and nice to see the markets uh kind of creeping their way back up
who knows when that inevitable bull run will strike i think we're all waiting for it here
yeah well i mean Bitcoin has been doing more
than creeping
back up.
HBAR, yeah,
has been
kind of creeping.
But it's waiting
for our season,
I guess.
there are
different opinions
on the timeline,
looks to be
a fine year.
when is your
last gig
as a DJ?
Because you're quitting
that to go full-time
with Empire, right?
That's right.
My last event is May 10th.
I might still take priority events where I play for like two hours
earlier on in the evening, but those will be plug and play
and like for very select clients.
I'm looking forward to it very much.
Like this is, I mean, I must say I've seldom enjoyed
working on something so much like impart is kind
of like my dream platform and hedera is my dream network so i have to say it's incredible like it
doesn't even feel like work especially with the team that i have um and the partnership with
kabila just makes it an absolute breeze as well so it really is quite something so looking forward
to may 10th well may 11th i suppose hey yeah well i guess may 10th will be a special day for you as well having that last
well okay not not the very last but um in this structure like your last event um uh you gotta
enjoy it as well even though you might uh be very ready to uh to take that step, like a last day on school or in your current job,
whatever is always special.
So, yeah, very cool.
And it's quite an accomplishment that you're able to take that step
and go full-time with Impart after,
what's it been, like six months after you guys started with Impart?
It's actually been four months, believe it or not. I mean, obviously, we've been working on the concept of Impart? It's actually been four months new, believe it or not.
I mean, obviously, we've been working on the concept of Impart for five plus years.
But in terms of like when we came into the ecosystem, that was December last year.
And that's pretty crazy if you think about it.
And we're just getting started.
There are a lot of exciting things happening.
I think that a lot is resting on this kind of launch of the UBA, I must say, because if we can get that right, then what we've essentially proven is that any brand can tokenize their communities, irrespective of what kind of market conditions we're in, and that we can build a new economy of kind of tokenized digital assets around brands, which I think is the most unbelievable thing ever and that's
obviously thanks to what could be built so you know we're trying to push forward with that and
see you know what are the limits in terms of what we can do with digital assets and so far it's
looking really promising so i literally just can't wait to be able to put my head down and do this
all full time yeah 100 um and that's that's actually important to be able to launch nft collections
with existing communities uh regardless of the market sentiment and that's actually something
i touched on with uh fight farms who i saw in the audience before i don't see them now
but he said in the end well if my project succeed project succeed and I accomplish what I'm looking for, then, well, my project wouldn't be depending on market sentiment or the price of HBAR.
It would have its own utility and it would mean something for the participants. I think that's what Richie from Top Flight said
some time ago as well, we have on stage.
So I'll toss the mic to you in a bit.
And that's what we have to move towards, right?
In the end, it's technology
and it should be used any day, any year, any week,
not depending on market sentiment or whatever.
And yeah, I'm hopeful that we're going to get there
and launches like these with the UBA,
if they can be successful with this NFT sentiment,
then that's a big step towards that.
And there's definitely somewhere that we need to go.
So yeah, I'm looking forward to that mint
and I'm really hoping it'll be a success and that most of the, well, enough bowling players and UBA community members will actually participate and see the benefit of it.
And not think about, hey, NFTs, can I make a profit on this?
No, just, hey, I'm part of the UBA and this looks fun.
So let's do it.
And that's the way you go.
So looking forward to that.
That's it, Richie.
How are you doing today?
Is it Richie behind the mic, actually?
Hey, yeah, it is, Richie.
Can you hear me all right?
Yeah, loud and clear.
Lovely, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I've been watching what Uba is doing as well and i'm
obviously loving to see it the uh the trading cards coming out and getting all of the uh getting
all of the league involved and as you say trying to get the web3 uptake from the whole community
it'll be absolutely awesome if you can get that uh you know get that market in in and get them to all
understand what you're building it's not just just a cryptocurrency, the real meaning behind it,
and the technology and get people on board.
It'll be awesome.
Most definitely.
Did many people play your games within the Creative Combat app?
Can you give insight into that?
That was awesome. It was really good getting the demo out there
to all the people. A lot of the
main people who played with Wales,
the most devout people
of Karate Combat and Up Only Gaming.
That's exactly the kind of people that we
wanted to focus on.
The people who really understand
what Up Only Gaming is.
The people who are in the Hedera ecosystem and the people who really understand what UpOnlyGaming is, the people who are
in the Hedera ecosystem, and the people who just love playing and voting on sports.
So it was really good for us.
So I pitched that idea to OnlyLarp, and I made a full PowerPoint presentation and gave
them a pitch about how we could, you know, how it would be beneficial to up to market
the projects, make it a tangible
product to people but also be good marketing for the for the projects themselves to get their name
out there with karate combat's massive following uh obviously like the idea we ran it and now it's
a whole thing and uba has done it as well and hopefully we'll see many many more come out um
you know i like to say uh one up all up um the
if we can all make we're working together to make this sport five sector and if one does well we all
do well so we you know we help each other up and we all go up together um even later today i know
a lot of us uh already know but there's a we've got a've got spaces with Brave and the Bat team at 2pm EST today.
So that's 6pm GMT, I believe.
So we're going to be reaching out to the Brave community and the Bat community
and really trying to onboard them to Hedera and SportFi.
We've got Only Larpin from Karate Combat. We've got uh only larpin from karate combat we got wco uh
imparts we got hashman you know loads of people on there so we're all going to go over there later
today have a great time sorry um and we're going to get the word of sportfi out to the masses and
the brave community which is a it's a big community so be able to onboard all of them to Hedera is a really good opportunity it's going to be a fun space tonight yeah yeah I reckon uh I went on the space with uh together with Liam
uh two three weeks ago I guess some time ago and it was a good one and I saw that the
the lineup for the panel is pretty big uh today I saw uh you mentioned a couple,
but I guess Liam,
you're going again as well.
Richie, you'll be there.
Dank Friday Combat and Postmaster as well.
I'm seeing you in the stage as well.
I hope you're doing well.
And a bunch of other people. I think you're with about 10 or so.
Liam, you get your hand up as well.
But Richie, feel free to answer that first no that's fine uh hand over liam yeah as you say we've got loads of people on there
um and it's good it's gonna be a great time but you know liam's gonna be there as well so let's
see what liam put his hand up so yeah uh okay that was confusing so liam go at now thanks to you um yeah so we actually dan and i had a chat
with bat urn after that original space we did new and we just kind of uh i suppose like
are you are you still there liam
oh my way my mic has been off somebody muted everybody
that's so bad no so um thanks new so uh dan and i actually had a call with bat earn after the
initial space we did with the bat community and we kind of just like word vomited the importance
of adera adam for like 45 minutes
so it's really encouraging to see that there's another space being hosted with them i actually
i wasn't sure whether or not we would see more of them but i think it's really cool that they are
kind of spotlighting the hedera ecosystem uh we're secretly trying to get them to at least bridge
bat onto hedera if not move the entire flipping network i mean can you imagine if brave
was built on hedera like can you actually imagine i'm saying that would be that's all i'm going to
say but yeah it's really cool can't wait for that space later it's really cool that there's like that
they have the eyes on the ecosystem still after what we did last time yeah most definitely. Sorry for muting everyone there.
I misclicked.
So it's not always Axis fault.
Sometimes it's just my clumsiness.
So yeah, looking forward to that.
But I actually won't be able to attend because I'll be out for dinner.
But I'll try to catch the recording.
So for anyone interested in in
in sports tokenized sports sports by onadera uh definitely check out that space um brendan you
had some technical issues there for a while but you're good now again right yeah i'm all set um
i think i just needed to update the app so so, so it's good, but I actually talked,
I got some questions from Paul Barron about up layer two.
He appears to have edited out.
I mentioned top flight football and you know,
some of the other teams that are building applications using up only gaming.
And he edited that part out and that's okay.
But you know,
we got at least up layer two was mentioned,
and we talked about that a bit,
talking about why it could be on Hedera,
mainly around interoperability and so forth.
So it was fun to have that conversation.
Nice. We'll touch back on that in a bit.
We actually have to rewind for a second,
because I did something terrible.
Usually when I go around the
panel I start with a qua and Patrick the two co-hosts and this time I'm blaming
Milan I'm just I was thrown off or thrown off the order I was gonna go in
no actually it was just my own fault but i completely forgot to ask patrick um
patrick how are you doing how's your week going what what's on your mind i don't know i don't want
i don't want to speak anymore now oh no no no i thought so so okay better question i got i got
no no no i'm here i'm here i'm I'm staying. Agua always has my back.
And I saw a message from Agua feeling sorry for me.
And anyway, so there's been so much food for talk now.
So my intro is going to be a long one.
It's not an intro anymore because it's late already.
But first of all, so I had some Indian builders before as well, Agua.
And someone asked, how does that language sound?
And it was so funny.
They laughed about my language as well.
So it's a two-way thing.
But sometimes I jumped into a conversation and they were already talking to each other.
And it sounded like...
And I joined like that.
And then they told me, yes, but your language, it sounds like...
So that's Dutch.
They're right.
So, you know, it's fun with these languages' sound.
But Indian language is so funny.
Still.
So we laughed a lot about that.
They were great guys.
What else?
I think most important things have been said, actually,
because what Brandon said, that's amazing news. go vote for uh for milan by the way if you have a project running
then let's let's vote for milan for president it was something else but uh he's got our vote but
he knows that um other things oh yeah i asked joey to post something on uh on top uh go check it out guys uh go smack them and and list but uh
only enlisting well there are some there's a disclaimer so look at the disclaimer before you
enlist so lots going on um one last thing almost forgot that one um evo i loved the poster you
posted today guys go give evo a follow because he's posting actually
quite some some interesting things and it's good that you mentioned these things as well
want to know what i'm talking about go to evo's account and go follow him so
there was like four or five subjects in one long too late intro but uh happy to be here and um let's see what else is going on
and by um by the way brendan awesome that interview
i appreciate it patrick i felt a little bit off on this one but uh the last one i had a
lot of fun with i appreciate the kind words i know you know how i do interviews so it can't be worse than that it's you do these things great
I wouldn't worry about can't replace your passion Patrick so you know I love having you on and all
the other builders in the space because there's so much passion with the things you guys are building
well Patrick don't worry though since you don't have too many topics to go sideways on
but that's okay because i actually have a topic um on which i i would like your opinion was it
do i hear a dare sorry are you daring me no definitely no i'm not there i wouldn't i wouldn't
dare you to go sideways uh while we only have 18 minutes left.
Like, that's a death sentence. So I'm not challenging you to go sideways.
Definitely not.
We can do a separate challenge.
I think you should start, just kickstart a space whenever you feel like it on your own.
And just start going sideways, start talking, and then we'll see how far you'll get.
I'll just invite Classy.
You remember Classy?
Oh, no, that was in the time of Jack.
We had him.
I need to get him.
Oh, I think, yeah, Classy Nakamoto or something.
I don't know what the rest is, but he's got an energy.
I can't even compete with that.
It's amazing, but I love the guy.
Anyway, so you had...
Hey, Niu, Patrick's got you going sideways.
Oh, you're right.
You're right.
You trapped me.
Dang.
Anyway, anyway, anyway.
Not intentional.
It's just a feature I have that goes naturally.
I'm going to get you back on track. You wanted to say something.
Back to you, Ivo, to what you wanted to say.
Yeah. OK, we're back on track now, but we lost a full minute, probably a minute and a half.
Thanks for being this sharp, Joey.
That's a dangerous trap Patrick said up there.
patrick's head up there okay so almost time for my question for patrick but first brandon i didn't
OK, so almost time for my question for Patrick.
watch the um interview with paul baron yet i will but i uh i did um watch the one with all in crypto
and i really loved it it was amazing um i don't know what the the the kind of synergy with Paul Barron looks like, yeah, but I think you and
I always forget his name, but
Rupert.
Rupert, yeah.
I think you guys have great
chemistry going on.
Both very factual
and knowledgeable, so I really
loved that interview.
What didn't you
like so much?
What fell off with Paul for you, your interview with Paul?
That was just the flow a little bit.
The questions he was asking me, I think, so from what he told me,
he could be interviewing Charles next week.
So he was giving me some of the more challenging questions,
as in, you know, questions he's
gotten pushed back about the Hedera network, um, things like, you know, why would Hedera need a
layer two? So we were just talking about up layer two. So I explained that, you know, concerns about
the, um, the council shrinking, losing council members, because there's going to be some rolling
off. So I addressed that, um, lack of staking rewards, native staking rewards, questions like that.
So I'm not going to say it threw me, but, you know,
I want to get out there and talk about all the good things.
But I do enjoy talking about, you know, some of the challenges as well.
So, yeah, I think re-watching it, I watched the beginning of it.
It seemed like it was fine.
I think my concerns were overblown with how I presented, so so it was all good yeah okay i can i can understand that i mean it makes sense it it sounds
like i still have to watch it but it sounds a bit off to um start out with those kind of questions
when you have someone on for the first time or when you don't cover a network as much
when you have someone on for the first time
or when you don't cover a network as much
to start out with questions like those.
So yeah, I can imagine.
I think he was just addressing some of the questions
he got from his community.
He was very nice.
I think he was just trying to kind of do a service
for his viewers, address some of those questions
and then maybe keep things a little bit more positive
when he talks to Charles next week.
Would make sense. Liam. address some of those questions and then maybe keep things a little bit more positive when he talks to charles next week what makes sense liam brandon i heard you mention now that the the governing council is shrinking i actually i had don't know about that i feel very out of the
loop when i hear you say that i thought the governing council was actually expanding to
over 100 members can you maybe i don't know about the hunt over 100 members uh Can you maybe get some of them? I don't know about the over 100 members. Me and Rob addressed that.
But there's concerns because there are the term limits.
At the end of this year, we have, I think,
eight that are going to be rolling off at the end of this year.
And from what I think, we're going to probably fill the council
by the end of the year.
So get up to about 39.
By the end of the year, we'll have those eight roll off.
And then I'm expecting early next year to add a few more to backfill there. But we're at critical mass regardless. It's just something that was brought up. And I forget the influencer that
was talking about it, but he was completely off. He didn't understand what he was talking about.
So I have no concerns about the governing council shrinking. I think we're going to be in really good shape going forward.
Yeah, I actually think maybe you interpreted this the wrong way.
It's not like the number of seats won't be shrinking.
The council isn't shrinking.
It's just from the outside when you don't hear the rumors or what Rob Allen says about the pipeline,
it might seem like there isn't too much interest in being a council member because it has been quite a while since the last new council member has been introduced.
And like Brandon said, at the end of this year, members are rolling off.
like Brandon said, at the end of this year, members are rolling off.
So it might seem like, hey, that the council is slowing down and it will be shrinking.
So I understand that from especially from the outside, it seems that way.
So it would be good to have some new council members.
And that actually ties into the next and probably last topic.
That actually ties into the next and probably last topic.
The rebranding of the HBAR Foundation to the Hedera Foundation.
And well, Brandon, I believe to maybe to start quickly with that.
I believe that you're suspecting that they're postponing or holding off announcing new council members to actually go
alongside the rebranding to as sort of a marketing push, right?
That's just a guess. I do think that Charles is probably holding a lot of things in the pocket
from the rebrand does happen to make that kind of the official point at which
he's taking over. You know, he said that they were going to rebrand in the beginning of the year,
but he actually filled the seat on the first, but the rebrand hasn't happened yet. Now,
I've been corrected on that because I mentioned that, I think, in the interview that I did with
him that, you know, it's the now the Hedera Foundation. He's like, well, actually, it's
still the HBAR Foundation. We haven't rebranded yet. So I do think that there's going to be things like that. But Rob
was talking about how, you know, some of the macro uncertainty has caused some of the council
members not to stop their joining the governing council, but to slow down a little bit. But he
thinks once they start rolling here in 2025, we're going to get them in pretty rapid succession.
Oh, that's interesting.
So why is that?
Does it have anything to do with the H-Y Prize or with legislation?
What's stopping them, do you think?
I have no idea.
Just, you know, some of the focus maybe of these organizations shifted a little bit.
So they're focusing on, you know, maybe they have to deal with tariffs or something along those lines.
And the focus on joining the council shifted a little bit.
But I'll double check with him next week.
Yeah, yeah, that'll be interesting to know.
interesting to to know and um why that tied into this next topic is actually something we briefly
touched on on um on the call last week i think and i'm curious to hear um well patrick's opinion
as well because it's um it's about the letter that char wrote about nine months ago, an open letter to the community.
And as we are with the community now, I thought, well, you inspired me to bring it up.
And don't be too judgmental, but just revisit that and have a look with each other.
Okay, where are we now?
And where do we think where are we still
expecting improvements and what this all looked like and for those who don't know
last year around summertime wasn't the best period for Adara lots of lots of news came out
about the EsparAR Foundation, especially.
And, well, Charles decided to write an open letter to the community
talking about transparency and accountability,
excessive compensation concerns, community engagement,
accountability measures, strategic vision and leadership,
vision and leadership and revitalize marketing strategy if you well if your interest lies with
and revitalized marketing strategy.
hedera and well you find this stuff interesting i definitely advise you to read that
and what what trell said in his part about revitalizing the marketing strategy he said in his part about revitalizing the marketing strategy, he said in many ways,
Hedera has historically been seen as an enterprise-first project. While this still
stands through, we also understand the importance of the individual user and their ability to
use the same powerful network. So, i um i know that you're holding off with uh forming a real opinion here
until he had at least a year or uh he did the rebranding um before well judging on the um
the improvement that has been made since nine months ago. Is that correct? Or do you have any other thoughts you'd like to share?
And then after that, I'll toss it to Patrick.
Yeah, I think the best way to judge how the new eventual Hedera Foundation is doing
is to use exactly the metrics that Charles laid out himself.
So I think that letter was good at the time.
The thing I would add is to address native staking, you know, either tell us why the staking
isn't higher, why isn't there more capital going towards the capital providers in the first place,
or more HBAR going to the capital providers. But the rest of the things I think are perfect. So I
think when we judge how the HBAR Foundation is doing in their new iteration, we should use exactly what Charles laid out himself.
Yep, that makes sense.
And if we look at that, Patrick, what are your thoughts here?
Well, actually, you said it.
What I thought you already said is maybe too early.
I think it might be a bit too early because these things take time.
I'm seeing some positive things happening already.
I do see some people doubting some strategies
or thinking that things go maybe too slowly on some points.
But I think it's, as you said, it's too early to say that.
I think we need to give him
give the foundation a bit more time it's only April it's like four months in with a big
foundation like that with many people working I think it's too early to say but I'm getting some
positive vibes from what's happening so let's hope it it continues like that so but yeah too too early
let's see what happens yeah yeah i i think i i agree as well uh from what i read in the letter
a lot of what's supposedly happening is um also it's not really visible for community right so
for example um integrated just wanted to say, sorry.
So overall, I am optimistic.
That's what I wanted to say, sorry.
Yeah, no, of course.
So one thing especially that I read was, let's see.
Oh, yeah, integrating and integrity provided that alerts
to suspicious activity within employee
well as well this is not something that we see as a community of course but it's incredibly
incredibly important that things like insider trading are monitored and and taken care of
within the organizations and as you said it's well it's not that big of an organization in terms of personnel
but it's yeah it is a it's more than than a one-man job so um that a lot has to change and
um with seeing new people coming on today's bar foundation like ash from the barking game
uh i really love to see him over there
and his energy and his passion
and his experience within the retail community.
So I really think they're doing the right things.
We're seeing that in USDC, for example.
It's been absolutely skyrocketing.
Native, Hedera native USDC.
So yeah, I'm optimistic as well and i'm just looking for some
more communication and transparency one other thing that that was actually in the letter uh
was trawl saying that he was going to do regular x spaces um and and write a um president's blog
and write a president's blog.
I'm not familiar with any of those.
Is that happening or is it not?
Does anyone know?
I don't think that started yet.
Obviously, that was when he was president of Hedera,
not CEO of the Hedera Foundation or the HBAR Foundation.
So, no, not happening yet.
No, okay.
So, yeah, that might have changed your roles there.
Okay, Ekwa, do you have any thoughts on that as well?
Like where we, the things that have happened since last summer
and where we are now and where we still need to go?
Or is that too big of a question to
put you on the spot with no no for sure bro like um we've been like a lot of people who are invested
in the community and what hbar is all about uh they've been thinking about this for years now
and yeah i feel like uh charles atkins definitely brought out a fresh change in the higher-ups of Hedera,
especially with the retail focus, right?
And I know Charles has learned a lot from his previous experiences at different companies
and different Web3 native companies.
And he really came in with that mindset that retail is really what would make Hedera into what it wants to become.
Because, yeah, I feel really optimistic in the way the leadership is changing or even like slightly altering their paths.
And I feel like we're still waiting for the effects or the consequences of these changes to show up in the ecosystem, right?
But at a grassroots level, I feel like the changes are already happening.
Like, I see a lot more people interested in Hedera who would not be interested before.
Yeah, I feel like there is a change in the energy, change in the vibe a
little bit. I would love to see more tangible things come to play, come to fruition. I would
love to see a revamped HBAR Foundation or the Hedera Foundation with a revamped strategy
because we all know how much funds or ecosystem development fund was actually handed over to the HBAR Foundation.
Now we also have the Hashgraph Association running the show with the grants.
So yeah, Hedera is one of the Web3 networks who really put in a lot of their treasury HBAR into ecosystem development. And those funds being used
in ways that are not making the community happy or already the people who are already building on
HBAR happy was a really sad thing to see. And it went on for much longer than what it should have
gone on for. But I'm optimistic, I'm positive,
and I hope we start seeing the changes soon.
And I think we're already seeing the changes, but I hope we see more tangible outcomes
and more of those consequences real soon.
Yeah, I agreed.
And it makes sense for the first major changes
to mostly happen in the background
and for real tangible outcomes to, well, to be visible
and to show up later.
So, yeah, in that sense, I want to miss you as well.
I'm glad to hear that you guys are too.
I just wanted to, well, to get a pause on that
because that's what these spaces with Community are for as well.
And it's good to hear that you guys are seeing some positive changes as well
and are optimistic about the future.
I think that's great.
And we're actually touching on the hour.
Yeah, that's a stop for me.
I have to leave.
I know that goes for Brendan and Patrick as well.
Agwa, you actually have some time today.
Well, what we could actually do since you're a co-host,
I think I can just, well, I could stay, but put out my mic.
I'm seeing that Brendan from the World Calisthenics Organization
wants to come on as well.
Maybe you can carry on with the space for another, like, 15 minutes
if you want to.
For sure could give the mic to Brandon as well
But we won't be able to end the space without you new we need you to
Or we'll all just be stuck in limbo over here, you know
No, I'm fine. All right, cool. I'll just mute myself and know that I'll
I won't be here, but I'll Keep the space running for another 15 minutes and then I'll come back myself and know that I won't be here but I'll keep the space
running for another 15 minutes and then I'll come back and end it after you put
in the outro okay all right I'll signal you on the discord if I need you to come
in if you run out of things to talk about oh yeah that's yeah of course well
I'll keep an eye on that okay uh well i'll i'll
leave here have fun with equa guys uh patrick enjoy your dinner because i know you're about to um
to start with that yeah patrick this is the best time for you to be here because we could just
derail the whole thing go as time as we want you know yes uh evo go go we'll take over i pinky promise you
all right i'll be gone now guys thanks for being here um and uh have a great weekend already uh
see you next week bye bye is he gone yeah finally equa the space is ours let's go yeah who shall we invite yeah we're
gonna we're gonna throw shade over everything kabila has built over the last two or three
years nah man that's not fair kabila what is kabila what is kabila
oh he's listening he's listening okay Okay. So, I see
Liam unmuting. He probably has
some wise words, wiser than what we are
now doing, Ekwa, because we're enjoying
this too much.
No, I was just, I actually was just laughing
and I wanted you to hear me laughing. This has been
the most hysterical open mic I've ever
heard so far. And I feel like we're
just getting started where that's concerned. But poor
Brendan has been listening this whole time. I think we should listen to what he has to say don't you think
yo 100% but before we go to Brandon I just want to echo what you're saying Liam I totally feel
that dude sometimes I'm just laughing with my mic closed off and I'm like no I want my friends to
hear that I'm actually laughing out loud so So I have to unmute just to laugh.
And then I mute myself right back up again.
Yeah, it's the funniest thing, you know, thing that spaces makes us do, dude.
100%, bro.
Flip, it's literally too hilarious.
Anyways, you are the co-host, so I'm not going to hijack that spot.
So you can hand it to whoever you will, I suppose.
Now, let's go. Yeah, we kept it running so brandon could come up and uh yeah how's it going brandon
how how's your day been what's going on boys how's everybody doing
so real quick i want to ask your guys opinion on something that I want to do and involve the Hedera community and see who would like to participate in this.
So May, I don't know if you guys know, but I do.
I work with a foundation called Just Keep Living Foundation.
It's Matthew and Camila McConaughey's foundation that works in various states.
Conahay's foundation that works in various states. I do a lot of work for them in LA County, right?
With the schools that they work with, the afterschool programs. So part of what I do
is I go and spend two, two and a half hours with the kids after school one day a week. Sometimes,
you know, I have 13 different schools that I work with and I go talk to them about health,
schools that i work with and i go talk to them about health wellness fitness emotions mindset
and then i put them through a workout so i have to do the final ones before the end of the year
and we have a school called animo inglewood is on may 12th and there's about 40 or 47 kids that I work with, and they're all from
ninth grade to seniors.
And then on the 13th, we have our annual field trip, which is a big kind of like get together
where the LA Galaxy soccer team, we do it out at their stadium.
They come out, we have some of the coaches,
some of the players are out there working with us. I do a fitness section, they do ball drills,
they do all kinds of really cool stuff for this field trip. So my thought is,
I want to see who wants to participate in the community and use this, the school one,
community and use this the school one that i have to go talk with the kids on a closed level
where i want to onboard these kids into the hedera network and i think the easy way to do that is
first having a wallet either you know my first thought is the kabila wallet obviously because
it'll get them into the the ecosystem and to see nfts see what this whole
crypto world is about now i want to spend about an hour with them getting them to download the
copy the wallets learning what it is so they can kind of take it from there and be interested in it
what i want to do is i want to give every kid in the class for downloading the wallet a hundred hbar
you know it's like 18 bucks i personally can't finance the whole thing right um but if i wanted
to do a little thing on on x and see about raising 4 000 h bar so we could give 100 H-bar to each kid and what that would do it would get them
invested first of all in Hedera they would also be learning about the Karate Combat app which
means they could then swap their Hedera out for whatever karate they could swap it out for they
can go into Kabula and swap for sauce whatever they want to do but we
want to get them involved and i want to bring these kids in because this is kind of the future
right you never know one of these kids might end up making nfts or or becoming a dev or something
crazy right and i think this is kind of where it starts i've got a pardon the french a shit ton of
work to do you know with the launch
of the ino and battle of the bars and all that but this is one of my passion projects that
i do for the foundation and i think these kids deserve to learn about this and i think it's a
great way to onboard younger generations into into hedera what do you guys think
sorry i'm uh my own mute button is so slow so this wasn't an awkward silence not meant to be
but for some reason today i think um x is doing an update or being attacked again because my browser even because
i'm on the computer my browser even said uh this uh that this top on my in my browser is
a bit rugged and making everything slow but anyway rugging lately yeah well the thing is i'm just
glad that i don't have the program x i I can't imagine the stress these programmers have.
Sometimes people say it's Elon, but Elon, it's his company,
but he's not sitting behind the desktop stressing to get everything working.
Elon's too busy saving the US money, bro.
Yeah, I agree with that, by the way.
But I try to be politically to politically neutral but i do agree
there but um let's not go sideways there but um yeah i love i love the idea but it's indeed um
and i would love to get even way more kids involved uh like that i want to give h by joe the the word
and and also uh liam because um sorry i'm going to go first to Hbojo, because he's
more on the economics stuff as well. And I didn't hear enough from him just yet. But Liam,
we'll get back to you after that. So yes, Ekwa, I hijacked your co-host as a co-host.
Joey, go on, go, bring it up.
So Brendan, yeah, so we have to think a lot about that too with Earthlings
and Smack'em. We're family
friendly and we definitely
promote our game,
not just to
adult gamers, but
families and
children. The only
thing I'll say,
first of all, I'd love to
help you with whatever everybody decides to help with.
But one thing you do have to consider is parental consent when you have kids.
Although you're teaching financial education in some sense and the future of finance to these kids.
When you're putting monetary instruments into their hands and wallets, you probably need to
make sure that you're getting consent from the parents. This is the U.S., and you don't want
anybody coming down hard on you to make an example out of something that's supposed to be good and wonderful.
Absolutely. That's one of the main things that we have to do is I have to get
that type of authorization prior. I've already been speaking to the directors of J.K.L.
about this for the last three to four months. Like we need to get these kids involved and to learn.
And one of the big things about this also is there's a lot of parents
that aren't present with some of these kids, right?
They have grandma and grandpa that raised them.
raise them. So it's sincere emotions. That's what we like to see. It's good. So don't worry. Don't say sorry.
Hold on, sorry.
So it's, it's a, it has to be authorized. Yes. I'm going through that, that right now. But there's one of the bigger picture in this is getting Matt and Camila involved, right?
Because I really want Matthew.
He's very, very much into blockchain and crypto.
And I want to get his notice to really understand how this can take the school programs to another level,
right? Because they're all missing a big part of the, especially the foundation side of it,
the NGOs and the nonprofit side, where they're traditional donation platforms.
And they're missing the whole point of what blockchain and crypto and NGOs on blockchain
can actually do. Liam, you still have your hand up. And again, my mute button, I need to press it
three times, guys. Sorry. Thanks, Patrick. My arm is exhausted from holding it up so long.
No, I'm kidding.
Brendan, I think that that's...
You've actually really inspired me with what you've just said.
I think that something that generally should be a thing
is like a full-on decentralized technology kind of curriculum
or matrix at least, where at least then they don't
need necessarily consent or the consent is given when they sign up to a subject at school
but i think education is so important what i will say is instead of giving them 100 h bar which is
great but at the same time could raise questions such as you know is this even real money which is
a great question but it's not a truly productive question because ultimately I think that there are better ways to
stimulate or pique their interest. What I would say is get an NFT such as like a smacker multiplier
for like seven H bar, the floor prices are on seven H bar. Give each of those kids like a smacker
multiplier. And the reason I'm saying that is because uh what's unique about hedera is the fact
that nfts have utility so you'll be educating them a whole lot more if you give them an nft that
actually does something because then it's going to be like well what do you mean i hold this thing
in this app on my phone and it like gives me benefits elsewhere and that's a segue into
talking about the incredible things that nfts ultimately will be in the future which is like tradable assets that can be taken into virtual worlds and swap between people and that will really
be a symbol of social status so i would say that rather than giving them some crypto rather just
give them a little bit of crypto to um authenticate the airdrop of the or the receiving of those nfts
they don't have to be smack them obviously but it is quite a nice one of the or the receiving of those nfts they don't have to smack them obviously but it
is quite a nice one because the game already exists and they function as multipliers already
so that could be a really nice way to to introduce them to the ecosystem
i had my hands up first joey and and i'm the co-host so i can't but I just got sorry sorry Joey yeah it's it's it's things that the Joey
and I like to do a lot as well especially helping these projects that yes our family friendly have
a sincere wish to help people and on board and of course it's always a win-win situation because we
want more eyes as well I'm not being a hypocrite here as well but it's it's things like this that we can even make a very funny level around this uh
this subject as well so yeah contact joey to see if there's something that we can do there um we're
working with other projects as well i i can imagine with the the trash tokens because trash is just
something like smack them you can do so much with that word we're probably gonna do something there as well so we we really like to do more with
all these uh these sincere projects um the ones who give positive vibes in in the community as well
and and especially it's what you're doing is awesome with the this real life utility and and
getting real people to to hedera so yeah send sent put Joey to work sent him a DM and
see what is possible and but so yeah Liam great uh great example there thanks Liam thank you for
that brother that's that's actually makes it a thousand times better that nft idea and I really
love the the smack of his idea because i love the concept i laugh
my ass off when i scroll and i see a new post by you got by by by joe and see these new mosquitoes
and all this funny shit you guys do i think it's absolutely much easier but i think it would get
the kids involved more than just having like you said a token they can
and and the benefits and all the things that can come in with a game and this gaming culture that's
out there i think that is a way more brilliant idea and that's exactly why i love being on these
copy plazas thank you liam we all we got to make it through the right way yeah that's um
smack him through the right way
yeah that's
thanks Liam
that's what I was going to suggest too
I wasn't going to say use us
but in general
with the NFTs especially
the NFTs that
have rewards attached to them
and so you can
scan a QR code
kids are familiar with that
so once you get the wallet set up and put a little
bit of HBAR in it, let's be honest, if you give 100 kids $18 and you teach them how to sell it,
they're going to sell it. But if you give them an NFT that has rewards and you say, look, this game's fun. Go play this game. We're even going to have
a board for this event. And as you play it and you hold on to your tokens, you're going to earn
more. And this is why it works. And this is what the NFT does. So selfishly,ly yeah i would love to participate with with smack them um 100
but just the future of nfts and getting these kids um educated first because yeah if you if
you throw some money on their wallet like i said they learn how to sell it then they might never
go back into their wallet again but if you you put functional as an NFT in there,
and then there's a game attached to it,
and they show their friends like,
look, I have this NFT.
I'm earning more than you are.
Go play the game and get one of these NFTs.
And they're very inexpensive right now,
so we can get a ton of them for not a lot of money.
Why don't we, let's me and you
we're connected already on on dm so let's me and you connect hop on a call and kind of
lay this out because this would be a great little pilot that i could do for animo on the 12th and
then on the 13th is is a great day to just talk about it because those kids will be.
So for the 13th at the LA Galaxy Stadium at Rancho Dominguez Hills College, it's 11 of the schools come and everybody participates.
So I'll have the school that's already been through it the day before.
I can then talk about it to all the kids afterwards. And, you know, this could be a great pilot that maybe I could be able to launch something like this within the entire JKL program that's got, you know, seven states and I think like 68 schools.
68 schools.
Yeah.
The most important thing about this is the JKL program students that pass through is a 99.8% graduation rate.
That's fantastic.
So it makes a difference.
Ekwar, we got to rub this in with Ivo.
The magic happens when Ivo's gone, when we take over.
I'm not even sure.
Oh, yeah, he's still here.
But Liam, thank you for also contributing to that,
getting these ideas and these people together.
It's just why I love the Kabila spaces so much.
So I'm going to jump off because I'm almost in a divorce these people together it's it's this why i love the kabila spaces so much so i'm i'm gonna jump
off because i'm almost in a divorce because i promised my wife uh six o'clock is uh is uh the
limit and now she's smacking me for saying these silly things so egwa is still here i'm gonna go
back to silent mode uh i'll stay on we don't have too many speakers so I could actually jump off as well but so Ekwa how this worked
do we now need to tell
Ivo to quit the space
when we're done or something
yeah for sure Bruno I'll wrap up the space
as well yeah it's been
a great fun conversation
love the vibes love
the information and love the networking
as always yeah so what
we'll do is I'll just play the outro music I'll will hit up new in the discord ask him to come
through and end the space at least till if he takes some time at least we'll have some cool music playing in the background okay see see you next time then for me then it's uh goodbye not a farewell but a goodbye see you
next week and i'll just see what you make of the rest do your outro intro whatever bye bye guys it
was fun again yo take care y'all um tune in to cabbie plaza next week
same time as always 11 a.m eastern hope you all have a great rest of your day um yeah much love so Thank you.
