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$HBAR Open Mic - Kabiplaza #116 ποΈ
Recorded: May 8, 2025 Duration: 1:25:44Space Recording
Short Summary
The Kaby Plaza discussion highlighted significant developments in the Hedera ecosystem, including the recent rebranding of the HBAR Foundation and Hedera Council, signaling a strategic shift towards growth and community engagement. With Ethereum's price surge and Bitcoin's declining dominance, the conversation emphasized the potential for altcoins like HBAR to gain traction, alongside the introduction of an ambassador program aimed at fostering grassroots initiatives.
Full Transcription
Thank you. See you next time. Thank you. Thank you. All right. all right let's go welcome everybody welcome back to kabi plaza um trying to get some more people up
on stage jay i invited you as well i don't know if you're having any technical difficulties or not let me know if you do
In the meantime, let's all get some more people in here by liking the space reposting it
Leaving a fun comment below could be about HBAR, Hedera, about your own thing about anything that's on your mind
Let's make sure to interact with the space to to get it into
In front of some more people um get some more people in here to enjoy the conversation we'll be
having about everything there and what a what a day to do so i think um yeah we've got some exciting
um exciting developments to talk about um I hope everyone here is doing well.
This is Kaby Plaza. It's episode 115 already. We host these pages every week, every Thursday,
at the same time. We've been doing this for more than two years now. And yeah, we do that to
connect with the HBAR community, to discuss news, to get a post on the ecosystem and to spotlight HBAR builders and creators.
And again, this is episode 115.
Right. to connect with each other because as you all have probably seen, Hedera and the HBAR Foundation
just rebranded, I think about an hour ago, maybe two hours. Can't wait to dive into that
together with you. And well, the timing couldn't be better. I mean, Ethereum is up 10% in the last
24 hours. Bitcoin dominance dropped to 4%,
so altseason might be just around the corner.
So it's a great timing by Hedera
and the HBAR Foundation for this rebrand
to get some more eyes on HBAR, on Hedera.
So yeah, with that being said,
let's welcome everybody on stage.
While I get some more people up, I think I see Jay made it as well.
Amazing to see.
First off, the co-host, Patrick, how's your day?
How's your week?
How's the hedge?
How's everything?
I saw you post, well, rep that um that trailer for earthlings and
i love it every time i see it um you wouldn't even say it's an odd one um and i still see people
interact with it we see it for the first time every time i see that the promo video it's uh
really cool so uh kudos for that um how are you man i'm fine um yeah interesting that you um are mentioning that um it's it's
warming up for what's to come but i'm not going to speak about that i'm going to go sideways
right from the bat um because i was i was trying to make um a clip for for um one of the one of
the guys that um was in space time, he keeps asking me,
when is the update for the plants in your garden and stuff?
And I wanted to do that before the space.
This is why I was a little bit late because I was messing around.
I finally had my clip done.
Then I saw that I needed to rotate it because I recorded it in TikTok
because then you can pause and continue and stuff.
And I had to ask my daughter, let see how do i rotate it because well anyway and and then when i uploaded it it had no sound
so you see i'm a noob with these kind of things doesn't matter i have to redo it now again but
um the topic for this week is felling trees guys that is so dangerous so i i have a little forest as you know and and and
there's nothing special just for everyone here in france forest is dirt cheap so the it's not putting
me on high places here it's france everyone owns a forest it's france but i have a little forest
here as well so i i i cut trees as well here. If you look at it, and you should
really, I do that together with my
little boy, a five-year-old.
This weekend, I've been looking at
epic tree-felling
fields. Do it
on YouTube. It's so dangerous.
Between 100 and 200
people per year
die of arguing with
a tree. You don't fight a tree that's
amazing in the u.s it's the number one job that gets people killed that's just between 100 and
200 that's a big number let's be honest so let's let's say 150 it's probably going up and down but
that's dangerous so if you see these image these, you will be way more careful doing that.
So I had a tree cut down in my garden, a big one.
And that was in the Jumbotron movie that I wanted to place here as well.
But yeah, so now without sound, it's boring.
So I have to redo it.
But I won't do it now.
I'll do it after the space.
And I think some kind of mosquito wants to ask me something about that before i go
on too long but guys it's an exciting time good to see all the green i know skita likes red more but
who's behind the mic smack him sorry oh i'm i need to i mean
evo back to you and you'll probably smack it to smack him i don't know
oh i'll definitely smack it to smack him. I don't know.
Oh, I'll definitely smack it to smack him.
And I'm surprised you're actually asking who's behind the mic.
You know who's behind the mic.
I know.
That's a silly question.
I'm building up momentum here, man.
Okay, okay.
Well, first I wanted to comment on your sideways comment. I mean, i sold my motorbike earlier this year my girlfriend
always find it very dangerous um not that i sold it because of that but um i should probably just
tell her how incredibly dangerous felling trees is and then she might be a little more um well
she might be a little afraid of me stepping on a motorbike.
she might be a little afraid of me stepping on the motorbike that's uh that's a great one to have
That's a great one to have.
Yeah, Joe, you wanted to comment on that as well?
Yes, I am in the U.S.
and I have a dear friend that I grew up with who lost his dad
while cutting down a tree about 15 years ago.
He owned a small golf course and was refusing to pay the tree cutting companies.
Had gone out for years to take down his own trees.
And I guess, whatever they say, it kicked back on him and hit him in the chest and killed him.
on him and hit him in the chest and killed him yeah even the guy who cut the trees with the tree
in my my garden he even had stories of uh friends who died you know it's like if you're in the
business and he said i told him i asked him how many times did you have these times where you
were like oh this didn't go well in 15 years 10 times so like 0.75 times per year he has
a death death threatening situation and he was like oh it's okay what okay this is a horror story
imagine this if you are on top of uh in the top of the tree that you so you cut off the the the
a few parts and then there's a rope around the tree and around your waist right but sometimes
if you do it wrong the tree can still split downwards he said i was cutting the the another
piece of the top and i saw it was starting to split and this was a big tree he said if it would
have split it would have cut me in two pieces and And luckily, at the last minute, last second, it broke.
But can you imagine?
Oh, man.
I saw him fell this tree in my garden.
And I had a stomachache when he was doing it because he got such a big part out of it.
And then he was just walking around it.
It's just crazy.
It's nice working outside.
But I prefer weeding over felling trees.
Okay, now I'm going to give it back to the rest because it shouldn't be all about...
My wife says, yes, do that.
Oh, China.
So, okay, bye, guys.
I love that your wife is chiming in on this.
Well, I'm glad that we're all behind our laptops most of the week.
So, yeah, we're all behind our laptops um most of the week so um yeah we're all safe and sound
okay um but but then um before you went sideways you mentioned that something is coming for earthlings
and you don't want to you don't want to touch on that are you sure no no no no no no okay
Nope, nope, nope, nope.
Okay.
probably shouldn't have mentioned it then no
Probably shouldn't have mentioned it then.
No, Tim, what about next week?
You'll hear it when you hear it.
Okay, well, okay.
Yeah, you definitely shouldn't have mentioned it then.
Because now I'm going to bug you about it.
Okay, but that being said, Ekwa, how are you today, man?
How's your week going?
Yo, yo, what's good um new patrick
brandon liam imparting those good vibes ivy fire i don't know who's behind the account is it john
it's someone else sorry i don't know your name milan uh jay thanks for being here and we also
got joe with the smack em all these wonderful people in the room. Yeah, my week has been going well.
I sort of got ill on Monday, had like a sore throat, a little bit of a cold.
Yeah, I had to cancel my space yesterday.
But yeah, I feel good enough today to be here.
I have a pep in my voice.
It's like a good wind I've caught after just recovering from three-day sickness.
So yeah, I'm feeling good.
Yeah, it's evening out here, late evening.
I'm celebrating with some drinks in my hand.
Looking forward to exciting conversations out here at Cabby Plaza.
As always, consistently delivering for more than two years.
Let's freaking go.
Yeah, sir. More than two years let's freaking go yeah sir more than two years by the way there's also a community call going on at the moment and and for those who are thinking
why is it always at the same time the capital is happening well we discussed this actually with the team over at Hedera.
And we made it work, you know, with an hour difference between the two.
But then over here in Europe, we jumped to summertime.
And, well, this is the situation we're in.
But we've been doing this for such a long time on the same day and time.
And, you know, Hedera wants to have consistency as well.
So it's all good.
This is the situation.
And it is what it is.
But I'm very glad to see so many people in this space still.
And Jay as well.
Jake, you don't have to be at the community call.
Say again, bro. You're not supposed to be at the community call. Is that good, bro?
You're not supposed to be at the community call?
This is the community call, bro.
You're right.
You're right.
Sorry.
Is this your first time on Cavi Plaza, by the way?
Yeah, it is. Because I am usually doing something in the other one.
And even just
before you you said like when you're saying that we had sorted out the times i knew the
but was coming i knew uh bloody we went an hour forward in time um because obviously i'm i'm here
in the uk too but uh yeah this is my first time in here and i'm really impressed by the by the
turnout and by some of the people listening in big respects here on your day.
Oh, definitely.
Yeah, you're always welcome here, of course.
And, well, since this is your first time, I should probably mention that the song at the start was the official Siwa song made
by a community member in the guitar.
So it's, I don't know if you can find it on Spotify, actually,
but it's the official Siwa song.
And it has been the official Kabyplaza song for a long time now as well.
So yeah, fun facts.
Well, we usually...
Have they tokenized it? Have they made an NFT?
Sorry?
Have they tokenized it? Have they made an NFT?
That's a great question. I'm actually not sure.
This was made back in the days when Jack was still hosting Caliblaza.
Maybe Ekwa or Patrick knows. Has it been done?
I don't think it has been tokenized.
It was like a gift for Kabila from Morris Moore.
They wanted them to use it wherever we can.
And that's why we've been rocking it as the intro song for,
I feel like it's been over like 30 weeks
that we have been using that intro music. It definitely sets the tone right for the space, love it.
But yeah, it hasn't been tokenized, but could be a cool idea to tokenize it, maybe airdrop it for free
to the SIVAS holders, the Kabila supporters. I think they really appreciate having a song.
100%, I love the idea.
We actually want to do more fun stuff like that.
So for example, if you haven't seen yet,
this Sunday there will be a free custom CWAS Mint
for all CWAS holders and they will have zero utility.
They are just for fun uh they are made by
banjos it's it's a real fun art um and it's just fun to have mint some people on the platform
have a cool nft in your wallet for free royalties are at zero as well so really just a fun nft and
i say if you're here just post your wallet ID in the comment section now
I'll make sure to tokenize
The Seawall song together with Indie guitar and airdrop it and I don't know who we're gonna add Robert to but definitely to you
If you post your wallet ID in the comments right now, we'll just make it happen
So thanks for that for that DJ
Yeah, no, no good. It came to to my mind so i thought i'd share it
yeah understand so usually we uh go around the panel first introduce everybody see how everyone's
doing and then and then we proceed um diving into the topics of the day um and you know we always
start with patrick he always goes sideways so So we usually have some stuff to talk about first.
But yeah.
So, Brendan, how are you doing today?
I'm good.
I'm calling in from Zurich.
I know we had a lot of technical issues last time.
Can you hear me all right?
Yep.
Okay.
Good stuff.
So I'm in Zurich.
I was invited to come over by the hashgraph association to go
to the point zero forum they had several side events as well including hedera day so hedera
day was yesterday i just did a um in-person shark bites with uh rob allen so he was here as well. I got to meet Marcel, Patrick's brother. Plenty of talk
about earthlings around that. I got to meet, I see Milan down there. I got to meet his brother-in-law
who came to the events as well. And some great presentations for Hedera Day. One of the ones
I'm going to put in the show tomorrow is I've been getting questions about CLSQ and how things are going. Should we
get an update? So Jonathan actually did a presentation. He is the one that's actually
leading the CLSQ project within, or I'm sorry, he's the one leading SealCoin within CLSQ.
So he was certainly the one to answer that question or the question that came in for an
update around that. Really good stuff around that. And then I'm going to get some more content as
well. The one thing that I'd really like to see that's happening over here is the side events
included bringing investors together to discuss Hedera. So bringing outside capital into the
Hedera ecosystem. The Hashgraph Association has done a really good job with that, bringing money out of Qatar, out of Saudi Arabia,
and that's only continuing. There was also a really big announcement
or something that was discussed around a hackathon. I can't give out the details
quite yet. They're kind of kicking it around, but it should be a pretty
big deal. So exciting stuff. Awesome.
I didn't know about Hedara day um so that's pretty cool
um well we have plenty of topics to dive uh into together with you as well of course um first let's
kick it to uh to joe we already heard a bit from you but um more about you how are you doing? What are you busy with these days? I am on my walk,
so that's good.
Walking a 5K while
we chat
here.
I thought it was supposed to be a run, Joe.
I was just about to say
what happened.
Brandon, you've met
me. Do you think there's a chance
in hell that I could run and talk at the same time?
Well, I mean, at least you're getting out there and moving.
But I thought the deal was if we weren't going to give you crap, it was going to be a run.
Well, I'm catching it, aren't I?
You brought it on yourself there, brother.
Listen, so I probably shouldn't say this, but Patrick's half the world away, so he can't do anything to me.
We finished a new board for Smack Mosquito, and it's in-depth testing.
So hopefully that'll be out sooner than later.
Had a good meme job, two and a half hour space this morning
where we talk about
supporting each other and
Fubar from
Karate Combat got on and he's all
gung-ho to help Brandon
and all the Hedera projects
really promote this
Hedera Prize Pool
Karate Token
for the event June the 20th.
So ready to get the bar on that.
And then on a personal level, have a couple of calls this afternoon
with hopefully to get a new really cool thing going with rwas and possibly um possibly some sustainability tracking
so hopefully some more information will come out about that sooner than later but that's it just
uh waking up early in the morning a few hours after patrick gets going and reading his
sometimes novels sometimes really cool content from Earthlings in our group.
And having a great day.
Sun's shining and it's 80 degrees here.
Very cool.
Hey, and since Patrick is all the way at the other side of the world and he can't hurt you,
maybe you can tell us a little bit about Patrick.
What Patrick doesn't want to say.
No, no, no no I can still fire him
okay okay I can't do it I can't all right all right you are naughty you are very
naughty but I was naughty too I I dared to go to another top on my browser window opened up
my patron account hoping this account would not quit on me as long as i didn't go back to this
one and i uploaded something i'll put it on the jumbo trunk now i managed to get sound working
so then everyone will be watching my video instead of listening to what we're saying here that that
will be fun let's see if we can still continue to talk.
Do you know how to put stuff in the Jumbotron?
Clueless.
Let's see if I can manage.
We'll see.
We'll see.
Okay.
I did it before.
If it works on the laptop, on the computer, it will be fine.
No, but just joking.
I'm going to put it up and I'm going'm gonna try really try hard to shut up the rest
of the space yeah okay well we really have to go um talk about the uh the rebrand but first
we have some more people to get to toss the mic to so um let's get oh and before we do that for
everyone who's here and didn't do this yet make sure to repost the space like it and leave a
comment to get even more people in here to talk with us about hbar about hedera about the rebrand and everything else and if you are in here
and you have a question or you would like to contribute to a topic you can request to come
up stage and connect with us here or if you don't want to do that and just post your question or
your comment or whatever in the comment section and we'll cover it up here as well so just so you know this is an open mic everybody's welcome
to engage in this conversation with us so that being said i'm just going from left to right i'm
seeing brendan with an a instead of an o from the world calisthenics Organization as well. How are you brother? Good, good, good.
How's everybody doing this morning?
Hope you're all well, just listening in, always loving the spaces.
Just waiting to hear what's going on with this new HBAR Foundation, everything that's
happening.
So thank you for opening up the mic and stoked to be here again.
Just gonna jump in there.
It's Hedera foundation now no look hpar
foundation's old news oh sorry hedera foundation exactly no no it's it's good to uh to correct
right away otherwise before you know it it's uh you're two two years down the line and everybody
is still calling it we don't want that it It's the HBAR Foundation now, people.
Yeah, for sure.
This platform is still Twitter, you know.
Like, a lot of people struggle to call it X.
So, yeah, the rebrand and pushing it is definitely important.
Also, since we're turning a new leaf,
opening up pathways to a new chapter,
I feel like there's a lot of people who have some stigma or some unfinished, unsettled business with the HBAR Foundation.
I feel like it's better to turn the new leaf, keep going forward and keep looking forward,
you know, because the future is definitely bright for the HBAR community.
Exactly, that's it man.
That's it man that's it and um you know chad gbt still says um if it's talking about x
it says x formerly known as twitter or formerly twitter so i'm curious to see if it will do that
with the hedera foundation as well the hedera foundation formerly known as the foundation
who knows um okay we're almost there uh liam i'm seeing you as well how are you today bro i'm great thanks uh
really cool to have jay in the space by the way jay i have to say you and zepty have some of the
most recognizable voices like i've ever heard it's actually like unreal so it would be really fire
both of you joined at some point but yeah thanks for joining i think i agree with you that this is
the real community chat so 100 and yeah great yeah, great to see everyone doing great.
And in terms of the Hedera Foundation,
does that mean that I can now register the HBAR Foundation
and start a new HBAR Foundation
and then just completely take over what they were doing?
Because if so, then I'm doing that.
Thanks so much.
I call dibs.
I'd love that.
Sorry, I couldn't stay quiet here.
Do it.
I love that. Yeah couldn't stay quiet here do it i love that yeah do it liam probably hedera won't supply you with any of the hbars for the grant giving but if you got your own funds ready
to like put them into the ecosystem and help all the people who are developing bro that's altruism
i respect you man let's go i just i don't know if it's a compliment or not,
compliment or not to say that somebody has a recognizable voice.
Jay, how did you take that?
Bro, I've got a pretty positive outlook on life,
so I thought it was a good thing.
Yeah, I think so too.
All right.
Ivy, is it Jeremy or John?
I like that you're always having to guess, Neil. It's Jeremy. How are you doing today?
Yeah, I like it too. I mean, you're both active, so that's a great plus. Yeah, I'm doing well, man. How are you?
Doing great. You know, this is the best space. This is the only space you can jump on and hear about like tree death statistics and how you can own your own forest in France. Like I want to know
how to get in on owning my own forest. So we'll have to connect later, Patrick. But anyway, I'll
make it brief because I know you got a lot to get into today. I just thought we did have a quick
giveaway announcement that we wanted to give. We did an AMA yesterday and we, as part of the AMA, we had people like and
retweet and comment. And at two o'clock Eastern time, us, we're going to close it off today,
but anybody who likes retweets and then puts a comment on the AMA, um, is entered to get one of
Shannon Stone's H bar nuggets that we're going to give away those things are super cool
um so if you guys want that opportunity then uh go do that so i want to give that away so
that's really all that we got going on and you can also check out the ama on our um
on the x account if you're interested in what we're building so it's exciting very cool i love the hbar nuggets made by shannon stone
he put out a cool video as well to show how he uh how he made them how he cast them so um yeah
super cool make sure to check out that uh the giveaway and then uh yeah i can't believe we're
already 30 minutes past the hour uh this is why we always go over time, but it's cool. This is part of the space.
Milan, how are you today?
It's great to have you on again, man.
Hey, man.
Hey, Ivo.
How are you doing?
So, yeah, I was kind of like, you know, I was just at the point of welding.
And first time, you know, I found an old arc welder here in the closet and I thought
like hey let me try and do it but then I was listening to the space and like I heard Patrick
talking about trees and I was like I know stuff about trees they're freaking dangerous. When I was
a firefighter there's one of the one of the fire stations they they it was renamed to
Centre de Secours Massat because there was a a a young firefighter I think it was like 18 or 19 that
that died by cutting down a tree you know obviously in firefighter scenarios it's you know it's
generally very uh stressful hectic and you have to act quickly and trees, don't fight
with the trees, exactly like Patrick said, you're never gonna win.
That's just a heads up about trees.
So what I've been up to this week, well just the normal Hedera stuff I always work on and I don't
know if anybody has been following, but I've been kind of quietly building on this super
server. I bought these system boards, old system boards from Lenovo and I'm trying to to make a server and printing, making all the parts,
all the enclosure parts by scratch.
That's kind of a fun project.
And another thing is I'm in contact with N8N,
which is becoming very, very popular.
N8N is a visual coding software.
You can just do it on cloud or you can self-host it.
I've been using it for three years.
Basically, you connect different nodes.
You say, for example, start every day at 5 am.
Then the next thing, go take the weather from here and there. And two years
ago they started with integrating the whole AI, they went very deep on AI and that's become
very very popular. Now with the Hashgraph online hackathon, I started playing around
and I thought, hey, maybe we can create nodes.
So now that idea was in my head and I'm talking with people, also with Jake,
and Jake and I are talking about it.
It would be really cool to create Hedera nodes, have them officially supported,
and then allow, break open a huge audience of people that are not developers
but can definitely drag and drop stuff
and connect and make ai agents and plug it directly into hedera so um yeah that was me
super cool i didn't know you were oh uh jay sorry go ahead yeah i just wanted to add something in
there actually because um like as i mean milan's underplaying himself when he comes to when
he's talking about nan he is literally og in nan space like it's it's been all of the rage in the
last i would say sort of six months and actually from what i've been seeing it's kind of become
like the new drop shipping where you get all of these people selling courses about how to build
ai agents and sell it to businesses but But Milan's been there like three years.
Bro, the thing came out like three years ago.
He's been there right since the beginning.
But what I wanted to add was on that note
of them being really sort of mature
and integrating AI-powered features,
you can, of course, create AI agents on NA10,
but you can also just build your own sort
of typical workflows, and then expose it as an MCP server. So for those of you who don't know,
MCP servers are basically, it's like, they're essentially tools for other AI agents to
communicate to. So you could create this really complex workflow which doesn't necessarily need
to have ai it can do but it doesn't need to have it you could create this really complex workflow
and then have that so that an ai agent anywhere in the world can talk to it and and call it as
though it's a tool which i think is also a really interesting feature something that i want to look into a bit more yeah and you know let me yeah i'll just jump on that as well yeah i'm i'm absolutely you know
the thing is how i work is you know i see something and i know i'm going to get there
you know it's just a way like oh how do i find my way and one of the things was i always wanted
to join a hedera hackathon right it's like iera hackathon. I think I got the brains to do something.
I just don't know how to code.
And that is four years ago, I think.
So then I started diving into APIs, and then I found N8N.
And so actually, my first hackathon, I won using no code.
my first hackathon, I won using no-code.
So for anybody out there who's like,
oh, I never joined a hackathon
because I don't know how to code,
I don't know how to program,
you can literally drag and drop stuff.
I make it work.
I created my own workflows with minting NFTs,
with Geotap, people here might remember.
Geotap, later rebranded to Teppo.
I created all those workflows in N at N, literally.
And then also, with the same with the website, I just used Webflow and I connected everything.
And I won third place at the hackathon in 2023. So yeah, definitely Jake says, you know, it's been a really big hype lately.
I've been, you know, I had contact directly with the founders.
So yeah, I just sent them an email like, hey, let's have a chat.
And, you know, we're back in contact. So kind of exciting stuff.
And that's very cool to hear and very encouraging as well i think you're
the uh perfect example of self-education and just uh you know finding out uh how stuff works um
because you enjoy the process and um just having an angle in mind and just finding your way to that
and um yeah we also have the playground now, of course.
There are playgrounds, which is still being developed further.
So that should only make it easier for people to actually explore.
There are native services and also EVM compatible smart contracts.
There are examples in there that you can use so yeah i think it's only
gonna get well it's definitely only gonna get easier from here so uh oh liam yeah make feel
free to jump in bro just wanted to give some flowers to milan bro that's awesome and that's
so encouraging i think that people often don't know about the tools that are available out there, such as, I mean, you mentioned Webflow. Guys, if you want to build a website, use Webflow. It is
better than anything out there. You have like to the pixel control, but there's still an element
of like drag and drop per se. It's just that once you've kind of dragged your elements in,
you can control them so easily to the pixel like you can choose exactly
how things look you're limited in a way and that's really important you know when you're building on
web3 a lot of people look at websites when they're trying to figure out you know is this project
legit so you want to have something that looks great use webflow what an amazing i've actually
never heard anyone else talk about it it's always wordpress and divvy and stuff like that so milan you're an og bro thank you appreciate that yeah i've tried a lot of stuff i mean um webflow and sorry for the cars
webflow wix um actually a webflow is is you know it has a little bit of a technical barrier you
kind of like have to get into it but it is very you can do a lot of stuff to it, right? And, you know, actually I build a lot of websites using cards,
C-A-R-R-D.co, and it's just like one simple webpage. And you can use those as well with
N8N. You know, you can just like have a form, sorry, form that triggers an API endpoint and that can work as well. I created
like several of those things. At a certain point I created for myself the concept in
one day concept. I started the day in early morning, I thought, okay, hey, what's a great
idea to build? And then at the end of the day, I had a working prototype with the website and so on.
And you can do that with no code.
So I'm definitely hoping that, you know, our endeavor and where Jake's helping as well,
we can break open, you know, kind of like the developer community
and that becomes like a lot more people can have actually their ideas developed.
like a lot more people can have actually their ideas developed.
Another good tool to call out is Canva, which I think probably everyone's heard of,
but everybody would have heard it just within the context of creating media,
creating posts and whatever.
But actually, they just did a really big version too,
which came out, I think last week,
or maybe even more recently than that.
And one of the new features that they rolled out
amongst a host of other ones.
I mean, if you're interested in like seeing a really,
really good quality event,
have a look at the Canva event recently.
I mean, it's unbelievable where they showcased
all of their new products and just it was so seamless.
But one of the new products they have is Canva Code, which is a LLM based.
Yeah, it's basically a special AI agent for building websites.
I tested it out the other day. It's pretty good.
I mean, it's it's it's like, yeah, I was quite impressed with it.
It's very, very non-technical friendly.
So if someone has a Canva subscription,
then they want to create websites.
I would give that a shot if I was you.
Awesome.
I saw Jordan interact with that a lot.
I think he's been using it
and he seemed to be enjoying it.
So very cool.
And I've been looking at the listeners in this space.
And such an amazing community that we've got listening in here.
Such an active community as well.
Because I'm seeing, let's see, Fight Farms, who wears a custom PFP made by BangJos, who's also here.
I'm seeing where, there you go, I'm seeing Spaghetti,
who is wearing a custom PFP made by Higher Grounds.
Shout out to Higher Grounds,
you've been, I'm seeing your art all over the place,
making custom PFPs for everyone.
So it's really cool to see everyone in here
and the fact that everybody is engaging with each other,
wearing each other's PFPs, making cool stuff for each other.
So that's very cool to see.
So I think this is a good place to start talking a bit about the rebrand, the Hedera Governing Council rebrand to the Hedera Council and the HBAR Foundation to the Hedera Foundation.
And I think it makes most sense to hear a little bit
from Brendan and or Jake I don't know if you guys have something to say about this let's keep in
mind that community that there might be people in here who are not familiar with what has happened
and why there was the need for a rebrand or why there felt the need for a rebrand, what we can expect.
Does any one of you two want to jump in on that?
So I'm not going to dive into why we needed a rebrand, but I think it's good just in general to have resets.
But until, and just to explain what happened, it was, as mentioned, the HBAR Foundation.
Now it's the Hedera Foundation.
The Hedera Governing Council, which is it was called is now just the Hedera Council.
Now, that's just semantics until, you know, but if you do a rebrand, usually there's some kind of action around it.
It's not just going to be changing names because that's nothing too exciting. But if it
is a true rebrand where they're going to take some actions around this, things could get exciting
because you don't want to do a rebrand without having some action. But we don't know what that's
going to be yet. At least I haven't seen it. Unfortunately, since I am in Zerk, I haven't
really been able to dig into it too much. But so far it just sounds like it's the name change. You guys correct me if I'm wrong, but what I'm excited about is the potential
actions that are going to be taken on the backside of it. Yeah, I can add a bit to that as well. I
think sort of from our perspective, obviously Hashgraph have been very involved in the rebrand
and supporting all of the parties involved where needed and sort of we looking if we
look at Hedera and we look at all of the parties that are involved we've obviously got the HBAR
Foundation we have the Hedera Governing Council it was quite hard I mean take take a look at the
HBAR Foundation I mean the the name is totally different the branding color
scheme was all totally different and we're all in it together working for the same thing so what we
were basically trying to do is come up with the balance of okay how can we create a perception
that we are all in it together we're all working for the objective of driving the hedera public network
to adoption increasing that from the enterprise but also from the retail side how can we do that
while also communicating that okay the hedera council is different to the previously known
as hbar foundation now known as hedera foundation which is different to the actual Hedera source
code or the Hedera public ledger so we've sort of come up with a really clear everyone's
now using the Hedera name there's not going to be this sort of concept the HBAR foundation
are just this other other thing which have received money from hedera whatever no they are 100 working for hedera as demonstrated
by the name um the hedera council is obviously that that was sort of very like i guess it was
really tied up to the um that used to be really tied up to the actual hedera public network but
now we're looking at the hedera council as okay that's the that's the
governance layer and and to me again people probably they know this anyway but it's also
quite confusing for for new people coming along and i think one of the immediate benefits that
we see here or we will be seeing is just from a sort of brand communication perspective when you
go to the hedera.com website, it's really going to
be focused on the public network, the actual blockchain itself, the actual hashgraph itself.
And there's also going to be a dedicated hedera council website that's already come out, hedera
council.org. And that's going to be where all of the meeting minutes for the council meetings live.
That's going to be where people can apply to join a council. That's going to be where people can apply to
join a council that's going to be where all of the public policy and enterprise policy
based stuff is going to live and then similarly with hedera foundation it's going to be sort of
branded within the hedera context and that's going to be where people can see that's where people can
apply for grants that's where people can see all of the grant that have been given, all of sort of the blog posts.
So it's separating the concerns quite nicely.
And it means that then the hedera.com page,
which currently has a lot of information.
I mean, if you go to hedera.com,
it's quite overwhelming.
That's going to be even more focused on,
okay, as a retail user, as a developer,
how can I sort of make the most at Hedera as I need to?
I thought I heard someone jump in there, but it might have been a little glitch.
Yeah, thanks for chipping in there, guys.
And yeah, one thing I really love to read and to see was that Mance Harmon will be the chair of the Hedera Council starting in July.
Any thoughts about that, around that?
Yeah, I'd jump in for that question for sure.
Yeah, Lehman and Mance definitely at the helm were super inspirational.
They know what it's all about.
They're the first two people who started Hedera, started Swole, started Hashgraph.
And yeah, it was a really like ahead of its time decision for them to leave the CEO and the CTO positions
and decentralize operations over at Hedera and just go back to Swell's
Labs.
But yeah, it's a really, really amazing thing that Mance is stepping in as the chairman
of the Hedera Council.
I'm so excited about that.
Yeah, because even the governance model, right, as some of y'all might know,
Mance was the one who came up with the governance model, the council model,
decentralizing all the important decisions.
Yeah, it's a really, really exciting step.
And yes, thank you to Jay for breaking down the rebrand in such a concise way
and just letting us know what is happening, you know, in the
back end. And to Brandon's point, I feel like, yeah, the Hedera Foundation rebrand is different,
but the change in leadership and the change in the working of the foundation is what actually
is going to bring the most benefit to the ecosystem, right? Because there's just, there was so much hype and so much good
thoughts behind the amount of HBAR that was invested into the ecosystem development back
in its day. And yeah, there's still so many HBAR and so much funds and so much value left with the
Hydra Foundation to kind of dissipate and spread across the whole ecosystem.
So a change in leadership, a change in tactics, and the change in strategy is, yeah, a lot
of people in the community have been here for years hoping for that sort of a change,
hoping for recognition, hoping for support to come to even the retail projects, even the projects who are not all associated with big scale enterprises who already have made it to some level, right?
So yeah, I'm really excited for seeing where it all goes, how it all comes to fruition.
But yeah, to your point, Niu, yeah, man's joining the Hedera Council for sure is a really, really exciting thing. And being the chairman of the council, being in one of those positions where you're actively adding more people as well, being involved in all of the happenings day to day. Yeah, it's super, super exciting. I'm really excited to see how it all unfolds over the next few months.
100%, yeah.
And it actually makes sense.
We've been talking about new council members every once in a while.
As Brendan mentioned before, Rob Allen stated that he expects the council to fill up this year.
expects the council to fill up this year.
And there have been conversations
about why no new council members
have been announced this year.
Seeing this rebrand,
it would make sense to me,
although, of course,
I don't know if that's the case or not,
but it would make sense to me
if you have some new council members
in the pipeline to put that on hold,
to put a pause on that, to implement these changes and this rebrand, and then go ahead with that. So yeah,
we might see some new council members coming out. What do you think about that, Brendan? Does that
make sense to you? Well, if I was Charles, I had, not that you have influence over, you know, the council members directly,
but you can certainly ask them, the prospective council members that might be coming on board,
hey, we're going to be doing this rebrand.
Maybe it would make sense for you to announce afterwards and work with those council members to, you know,
allow them to come out at an opportune time.
So it makes sense to me.
It's what I would do if I were in his shoes.
But like you said, we don't know for sure.
It's just speculation.
But those are the kind of things that I'm hoping we see.
Those kind of things and DeFi incentives, maybe, you know, other infrastructure that's put in place and collaborations similar to
what we saw around usdc and binance.com and crypto.com those are the kind of things that you
know move the needle as far as getting the the community excited so um it's what i would do as i
mentioned before yeah yeah understand and of course it's speculation. But that's the fun thing about having a community space, we're allowed to speculate a bit. I think that's only fun. Ekwa, go ahead.
kind of uniformity amongst the organizations that are working for the betterment and development
of Hedera, right? So Hedera even now has three ecosystem development projects, one of them
being the HBAR Foundation, the second one being the formerly known as the HBAR Foundation,
the second one being the Hashroth Association, and the third one formerly known as the DLT Science Foundation.
And it's really confusing when it gets down to it.
It's like people cannot get a hang of all the things that are being talked about.
And also with the Swirlz Labs rebrand, which is the rebrand that happened first, converting
it to Hashgraph was a really really strong decision a
really good decision because yeah it brings the whole picture together it
brings it all together the HBAR foundation rebranding to the Hedera
foundation is really awesome as well we had the DLT science foundation I think
they rebranded to exponential science foundation a few months ago that is
really strong as well and hashgraph Association still doing its thing.
Yeah, I like the point about bringing all the people and all the organizations that are working for the betterment of Hedera under the same umbrella and letting people know that, hey, Hedera is the focus.
So, yeah, that was a true highlight.
And Jay, thanks for sharing that perspective with us yeah uh real quick uh i forgot but for those who don't know you jay
um can you tell us real quick who you are actually yeah of course of course so i i work at hashgraph
um formerly known as Swolds Labs.
So there's a lot of changing names.
Now, I guess we did our rebrand about over half a year ago now.
But I work at Hashgraph.
You can think of Hashgraph as Hedera Labs.
So most blockchains, they've got a separate entity, which is responsible for most of the contribution to the network obviously
hedera we're totally open source um we're now sort of our code is actually part of the linux
foundation which is a really really amazing uh amazing move for the difference of business
reasons uh and the i mean technically anyone can contribute and we are having lots of people
contribute to the code my company which i work for, Hashgraph, is by far the biggest contributor.
And we also do activities like hosting hackathons, representing Hedera at events.
I work in developer relations, which sort of I like to, the way that I like to think about developer relations, for those of you who don't know, it's quite a common role of course here in the space,
but to me it's kind of like a salesman for developers,
but obviously it's a different type of sales
where you just basically need to make it as easy
for developers to learn about Hedera
and essentially self-serve themselves.
Be able to go to the documentation,
see the tutorials that we create,
and from that identify,
okay, this is the particular hadira
service that i need to use be a person which anyone here if you're developing can reach out
to always happy to support in that regard uh but yeah that's sort of my my uh my summary about me
awesome thank you thanks um before i toss it to Liam, real quick,
how long have you been at Hashcraft?
Bro, I've only been here for six months,
just over six months.
But I've been in the Hedera community for much longer.
So I've been building dApps on Hedera since about three years ago.
Since Milan got started on NAN,
because that's when me and him started becoming buddies.
Oh, nice. That makes sense. I was just about to ask, because I've been seeing you all over the timeline for this last couple of months.
So I figured, OK, you stepped up your game in terms of your online presence there.
But it seems like you did that as you got the role at Hashgraph, right?
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Because it's like sort of before it was like before it was it was just a hobby. um seems like you did that as you got the role at Hashgraph right yeah exactly exactly because
it's like sort of before it was like uh before it was it was just a hobby uh whereas now it's
my full-time job so I've got more of a reason to to sort of try to drive that social media attention
I'm quite happy I mean yeah I created my this x account was created six months ago and I'm already
on 1700 followers so if you're not following me hit me up, give me a follow
I will say that it's good for the
ecosystem because I do a lot of
Hedera stuff
100% yeah, you've got some cool
mini-series going on and it would be
cool to touch on that
some other time I think
definitely man, I'd be keen to particularly
talk about something which I just did yesterday
on Hashgraph Hustlers, the live stream that you're talking about.
Built a pretty cool MCP7 for SourcesSwap.
Yeah, I think that's for another time, though.
We've got some...
Oh, Joe is leaving.
No, I was actually raising my hand to say,
Jay, cool, follow the mosquitoes back.
You'll also love that as much as we love you.
That is okay.
Liam, feel free to jump in here.
Jay, maybe you're the right person to ask this,
although you might not be because you've only been working there for six months.
But what is Constellation DA like did did lehman invent
a hashgraph or like did it was a hashgraph something that lehman combined with the gossip
about gossip to create like hedera can you just like clarify that because there is people on on
x and other platforms who try to claim that like constellation essentially like invented the hash
graph and then hedera stole the hashgraph
which sounds preposterous so i don't know if you can shed some light on that that would be much
appreciated so okay it's not some i've not seen this uh this narrative on x um so i i don't want
to sort of it's not something yeah not something which i know too much about i mean what what i can say and to be honest i think actually maybe brandon's uh better better suited to answer this
because he's really really knowledgeable about the whole the whole hedera timeline uh what what i do
know is that lehman did create a something called the hashgraph algorithm uh something which he'd
been working for years and years and years um and he is like a super genius who sort of sold the ability to have a, basically have
a layer one, which can scale with the relevant security of ABFT, asynchronous business and
fault tolerance, which a lot of other chains are lacking.
Now, Consolation DAG, what they did, I'm not too sure. I'm not sure
where that fits in the timeline, but I will say that there was definitely a consensus algorithm
called Hashgraph, which was created by Lehman and founded by him. Yeah. So from my point of view,
that sounds like something that would be made up by the followers of Constellation.
I don't think there's any truth to that.
They're both DAGs, so I think that's probably where a rumor like that might start.
But DAGs can come in all shapes and colors, and they're two separate consensus algorithms.
I will say that there is one that copied Hedera and
that's Phantom. Now of course they went against the at the time it was patented
but of course enforcing something like that especially in another country
there's no real need to do that but my guess is that's probably something that
was dreamt up or they thought just because it was also a DAG, you know, it was a copy.
But that's not the case at all.
Yeah, 100% agree with both what Jay and Brandon said.
Yeah, not all blockchains are built the same way.
Not all DAGs, basically a direct acyclic graph.
Not all of them are built the same way.
Yeah, Hedera also patented hash, sorry, Swolez Labs actually patented hashcraft for a few
years and then they sold the patent to Hedera and open sourced it.
So now it's an open source algorithm.
Anybody can build their own hashcraft anywhere around the world.
That was a real G move from Hedera.
Yeah and yeah, but hashcraft itself was unique in a way that it was two hashes
that were included with each transaction and the nodes were allowed to spread that information
randomly, creating an ABFT security. So yeah, those claims could like definitely be taken out of proportion right or even like even I have I know that phantom is a
DAG and it can produce ABFT security but before Brandon mentioned it today I did not know that it
was identical to the hashgraph so yeah it's definitely a lot of use of the same technology
but everything is unique everything is different in its own way
I honestly did not know that phantom had actually used the Hashgraph algorithm like violating the
patent and stuff but yeah it's as he said it's really hard to enforce any sort of
intellectual property protection across borders and stuff so, but Hashgraph was its own unique invention.
But as Brandon said, both direct exactly graphs, DAGs.
Cool.
Cheers for that.
I appreciate that.
I think, you know, what got me thinking was when I went out and checked out that constellation,
whatever it is, I mean, they obviously make some massive claims on their site, et cetera.
But I saw that the chart on CoinMarketCap
went like back to 2018.
And obviously, you know,
HBAR was only released in like 2021, I think it was.
So that got me thinking like,
well, what like, is there any, you know,
like basis for these claims?
But it really just sounded like someone shilling.
So I'm glad you were able to clarify that, guys.
Thanks for the information.
Appreciate it.
And shout out to Blueberry on the stage, by the way.
And there was a previous DLT that was a DAG as well.
I believe it was IOTA.
Somebody give me a thumbs up if that's correct.
So it's not like Constellation, because they launched in 2018, was the first one.
Hedera, of course, you know, the Hashgraph algorithm,
that goes back to 2014.
But there was a public network that was based on a DAG before Constellation as well.
Super.
Jay, did you want to jump in there still?
No, no, no, no.
Nothing else from me here.
Okay.
Thanks for those answers, guys.
And thanks for asking this uh question liam um hopefully
that clarifies this uh for potentially others in the audience as well um great insights i'm seeing
uh blueberry on stage as well and i want to toss the mic to you um just to respect everybody's time
i want to finish up on on one topic because uh we we i have a lot on my list that we we're
not gonna get to today um so and some of those topics i planned on discussing with you jay but
um maybe you can come up some other um week again would certainly love that and so then yeah
thumbs up that's great okay so uh before So before I toss the mic to Blueberry,
I wanted to actually to rewind a bit to something that Brandon said, that the rebrand is not just
a change in name. It should also come with certain actions. And that ties into the Hedera ambassadors and moderators program that, um,
they are launching,
didn't launch yet.
And it's actually pretty interesting because in their post on the Kabila
Plaza,
they can log in real quick as I'm locked out.
I had it ready because they asked some questions to the community.
and I think it's interesting to think about those questions,
about the way they will shape this program.
Basically, five points still need to be crystallized.
And that's about...
So the Amb ambassadors program,
a quick summary, it's a global initiative focused on identifying, training,
and empowering technical and community leaders
who will accelerate DLT adoptions for workshops,
hackathons, events, partnerships, and education.
And here's where Hedera would love your help.
Selection criteria. So what qualities should someone have to become a Hedera would love your help. Selection criteria.
So what qualities should someone have to become a Hedera ambassador?
Measuring success.
How should we evaluate the impact of ambassadors?
Tools for evaluation.
Do you recommend any platforms or tools to track and assess ambassador contributions?
Vision.
Number four.
For global expansion, what does success look like to you in terms of expanding this program?
And then the top five countries, if you had to pick, okay, well, it says if you had to pick 10 countries where DERA should expand next, which ones would you choose and why?
And I love these questions.
I love the initiative.
And I think it's important because we've been the
community behind the dera um we all have been asking for more focus on retail more involvement
from the community and this this is it basically so um we should really interact with this um think
along and and contribute and if you if you think that you could be a fit for the ambassador program,
just go for it, go interact, share your ideas, apply. I think there will be some,
some rewards as well. Although I'm not sure what those will look like. And I don't know any,
any, anybody else there knows about that as well. well. But just to get it going a little bit, anyone on stage want to say anything about this ambassador program or any of the five topics I just mentioned?
Any thoughts around this initiative or what it should look like?
I'm curious to hear some some ideas or
thoughts on that yeah go ahead liam so i'm sure that no one will be surprised to hear me say that
i think the biggest potential for hedera and hbar to gain traction is actually through the utility
of uh tokenized digital assets such as nfts and the stuff that
gabila offers i think the best thing that we can do right now is onboard massive influencers and
artists who have cult following and get them to tokenize themselves and create nfts that represent
benefits in them i think that brands need to do this such as you know brendan from the wco
he's up on stage right now
you know he works with athletes that have millions of followers on on on instagram and other social
media platforms and as soon as they have an nft that represents some kind of benefit even if that's
just a galaxy world you know that is that's like where awareness is going to come from in a broader
sense i'm not just talking you know elon musk releases x
coin like i always talk about elon if you're listening please release x coin right now but
um you know like outside of some mass adoption event like you know the hbar or the hedera
foundation acquiring tiktok um i think that really we just need more people to tokenize
their brands that that to me is like where the main focus should be and i think that really we just need more people to tokenize their brands.
That to me is like where the main focus should be.
And I think that comes through education.
It's like, these are the kinds of benefits that, you know, your cult followers can get
by, you know, having tokenized digital assets that represent your brand.
These are the kinds of benefits that you can gain from having holders of your digital assets.
And obviously, Hedera offers systems that work in this sense.
And, you know, people still view NFTs as these kind of JPEGs that do nothing.
But Hedera is literally revolutionizing that to the point where, like, I don't think anyone actually understands just how huge it is.
It's like next level.
So that's what I'd like to see more of is like people becoming aware of and talking about the benefits of that moving forward.
Hey guys. Um, yeah, I think, I think it's, it's, it's really good. It's, uh, it's, uh, that, that,
that this is, this is introduced and it's funny because they actually had an investor program, if I remember, MVP I think
it was called, that was from Hedera 2018.
A lot of OGs were part of that group.
The thing is, and Brendan and I have talked about this several times, Brendan has mentioned
it in his show several times, intrinsic motivation, it's the most powerful thing you can have.
These people, those ambassadors or will be elected as ambassadors, they are intrinsically
motivated.
They are here because they want to and they want to share it, they want to shout it on
the rooftops.
And there's nothing as powerful as a company you can leverage that intrinsic motivation.
So it's a no-brainer.
I'm happily there going through with it.
As I said, a similar program was was cancelled in like a few years back
so I'm very happy to see this happening okay yeah I agree 100% there because I was actually
actually planning on asking a follow-up question later about how this ties in with what we see
other chains do a lot and that's having kol programs paying uh
known kols to promote your layer one and we haven't had that on there of course um uh you can
have a discussion about whether that's needed or whether that's helpful or not
but yeah i mean supporting those who have intrinsic motivation to talk about your your layer one and to use it and to share it with others and supporting them I think that's
very important indeed something that might have been missing and it's very
cool to see that before I toss it to Blueberry because I think it's really
cool to see you want to jump in here. I want to toss it back to Milan because you want to jump in.
Yeah, I just wanted to jump on that.
And you give a perfect example, the KOL program,
that's exactly what extrinsic motivation is.
So those ones are easy to get because it's basically mercenaries.
You just pay those people and they're done, right?
I mean, that's easy.
Bees a lemon squeezy, I should say.
So you can just pay those people.
That will be any point in the future you can do that, right?
You can just literally set it up tomorrow and next week you pay people to spread the word.
But it's not the same as intrinsic motivation.
So that's the powerful part.
Definitely.
I feel like there's a place for both, right?
Like, I think most...
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, definitely.
Sorry, yeah, there's definitely a place for both.
You know, I'm just saying that the extrinsic ones, the KOL paying them,
they should do it.
Absolutely.
But it's just super easy. So it's
like a no brain. You can just do it. You can start doing it today. Yeah. Yeah. And to me,
it seems like those KOLs are the top of the funnel, actually. You know, how many people are
watching YouTube videos because they don't know where to start? And you might find out about
Hedera through such a KOL. And then it's very important to have an ambassador program
that focuses on people who are intrinsically motivated to connect with.
And if you like what you're seeing at Hedera,
to have a place to go to and people to connect with.
And if there's a structure for that,
I think that's what the ambassador program is.
So if this is the roadmap, basically,
having an ambassador program in place
and then start doing some KOL stuff as well
would make perfect sense to me.
I'm seeing Jake has his hand up,
but Blueberry, you had it up first.
It's down now, but did you want to contribute to this topic?
And by the way, welcome on stage.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, actually, I had an idea that I wanted to share.
And I think somehow it relates to the Ambassador Programme
because it relates to user acquisition and brand awareness right so
um yeah it reminded of this idea because somebody mentioned canva right so i also
use canva and i know that many artists and um individuals that monetize themselves in a way they have like a like a small business or
they're entrepreneurs of sort right so people who don't have large teams with designers and all they
they usually use canva and i was thinking like what it would where would it take for canva to add
a little link in the section where you export your project so uh you build something on cover
right at the end you export it in some sort of a form like a png or a pdf or a video right so
what if they added another option um which is to mint the art as an as an nft maybe like on kabila of course um so i was just thinking like it i think
it's worth considering like they have millions of users and with just a little tweak you know like
to tell them that they can mean the nft and then have their art you know so there's a bunch of
things i don't know but i think that the little bridge you know can actually mean a lot
and I know
you don't just go ask
how much to do it but like what if
we did you know
just a thought
I love the thought and
Jay I see you're unmuted already
did you want to respond to that as well
yeah I had my hand
I need to drop off
and i wanted to say bye to everyone and a big thanks but bluebree i thought that's an awesome
idea uh i think that's really cool like you say that there may be some difficulties but there's
no harm in trying to build that bridge uh i love the idea and totally agree that in terms of making
the barrier to entry uh onto any web3 platform as easy as that is going to be a big win.
So, yeah, that's an awesome suggestion.
But anyway, to everyone else who's tuned in, really appreciate everyone's time.
And, yeah, you definitely have me back here.
I can talk about anything that you want.
Take care, everyone.
Amazing.
Have a great one.
Great rest of your day.
And see you later, man.
Thanks for being here.
All right.
And I love your idea as well, Blueberry.
I think it's a very good idea.
I mean, and I think we'll see stuff like that happen.
Because right now, creatives are creative on other places than where they interact with Web3, so to say. You are creating your art, and then when it's finished,
you take it to a platform like Kabila to make NFTs out of it, etc.
But it definitely makes sense for platforms like Canva
to actually integrate Web3 features and bring that to the creatives
instead of trying to bring the creatives to web3.
And I definitely think we'll see stuff like that happen.
Liam, go ahead.
Yeah, I just had to double down because you essentially told me,
Lion and Blueberry, how much you loved their ideas,
but you didn't even say a word after what I last said.
No, seriously, I think it's very important that we
do have people talking about the Hedera ecosystem. But like, you know, a thought on that is obviously
a lot of what you can do with Hedera is very high level. And so like, we spoke about how,
you know, it's been adopted by Google on the governing council, etc, blah, blah, blah. And,
you know, like is being implanted in neuron chips, etc cetera, that's great. But I think your average person can't really understand how that adds value to their life
or care about it.
And so I think once again, you know, it is going to be very important that when ambassadors
take Hedera to the masses, they're talking about things that your average person can
do to add value to their lives, such as making NFTs and tokens.
I just think that's just like the easiest point of entry.
And so I would say that the ambassador program should definitely just focus on talking about
those simple things that like anyone can do.
So yeah, that's what I just wanted to say additionally.
Yeah, quickly, I'll jump onto that what Liam was saying.
For that to happen in its true spirit, we need ambassadors who are really building the
stuff that the average
people can build you know we need ambassadors from all sorts of areas all sorts of categories
who can really go out there and share from their own experiences uh yeah and yeah i totally agree
that hedera is capable of doing a lot of big picture stuff but there's a lot of small picture stuff that
could happen there's a lot of degen stuff that can happen over here and the way they have been
marketing hedera and all the use cases the consensus service the token service it gives out that
picture that oh we are all for the enterprises we're all for the big picture stuff you know and
that's what we have been missing and that's what we have been missing.
And that's why we have been missing out on all the retail action. Yeah, everything that's been
going on all over the Web3 space. So yeah, and I feel like Charles Atkins definitely realizes the
gap. He definitely realizes that, oh, Hedera is missing out on the potential of the retail
investors and the retail community
and the people who are building for the retail.
So, yeah, I feel like that's the change that I've been waiting for for a long time.
A lot of builders here have been waiting for it for a long time.
And, yeah, like, I would like to see that kind of a move in the whole Hedera ambassadors gig as well,
where you're actually getting on people
who are not well-known,
who are not doing the big picture stuff,
but are at the grassroots level,
building from scratch,
building from nothing,
and building something that's just fun
and not necessarily have to be big picture.
Yeah, totally agreed.
And it's quite clear to me that they um realize this as the ambassador
program is actually split into two one for developers and one for community so um i think
we'll actually see that um definitely and um well we're already almost 20 minutes past the hour. And as I was setting up the agenda for today's space, I was actually in doubt whether I had enough topics to talk about.
about half the stuff i wrote down so um but that's i mean that's amazing that's just um
the way it goes when uh when the community interacts and and engages with each other
in conversation so uh yeah that's really cool um before uh doing the last round of questions
blueberry you um already um engaged engaged in this last topic,
but you hopped on stage maybe with something else in mind.
By the way, I think this is the first time you're on stage on Cabi Plaza, right?
Yeah, that's right. That's right. You have a keen eye.
Very cool. Well, welcome.
And, well, we hope to see you more often.
Can you introduce yourself to those in the audience who might not know who you are and on the panel yeah sure thank you very much so my name is Dana
actually this is my twitter persona but I work in at hotstarteremeJob, so I'm part of their teams.
So, yeah, it's good to be here.
Thank you so much.
Very cool.
And did you have something specific in mind to talk about today
or did you just come up to engage with us?
I just wanted to tell you about that Canva idea that I had.
Oh, awesome. Flo had. Oh, awesome.
Float it.
Yeah, cool.
Well, if you have more ideas like that, feel free to hop on anytime, any week.
You're always welcome, just as anybody else, by the way.
So if you're in the audience thinking, hey, I have some fun ideas to discuss as well,
everybody's welcome on stage
so um just uh just know that and um yeah so with that being said is there anyone on stage
who uh would like to share some some final thoughts or or has a a topic they really want to
discuss if so feel free to just open up your mic cool
I think there's one important topic
that we haven't covered and that's how are you
and what's been happening with Kabila
over the last week or so
since we lost quite a few
oh wow
that's actually important indeed
I always forget to talk about Kabila
on these spaces
that's not so good
well first of all how
i i am doing i'm doing great um my sister just gave birth to a boy uh yesterday so i was already
an uncle because it's her second child um i have a niece already i had a niece already and now i
also have a little nephew called stefan so i'm really excited to go see him hopefully tomorrow um otherwise it'll be this
weekend and well the first time since they gave birth it was uh it didn't go too well uh she had
to stay in the hospital for quite some time but now they're already home it all went smooth
so um really um relieved we're all really relieved about that so um yeah i think well that's the main thing actually
and other than that let's see um kabila's doing great um lots of interest in our developer team
which is interesting to see as more and more people want to build on chain, but you'll,
yeah, if we're talking about supply shocks,
this is the real supply shock you'll see.
Etiquette, adequate, is that a word?
Etiquette, capable developers
who actually can build stuff on chain in the right way.
So I think that's, it's really good to see that we actually have more people requesting to
work with our team than we can handle.
And in terms of our own platform, that's going really well as well.
Behind the scenes, we're working on stuff.
It's basically, you know, after we launched V1, which wasn't called V1 at the time,
but the first version of the Kabbalah platform,
the team had been building for one and a half years
and then came out with a lot of updates and an entire new platform.
And then, of course, we had a lot of news about joining the direct alliance and
working together with hashcraft to create a developer playground and whatnot
and right now we're in that heads down building phase again for like nobody in the team actually
causes v3 but in my mind it's big enough to call it that. So that's what we're working on. And hopefully we'll deploy in a couple of months.
And until that time, there won't be too many announcements
in terms of new features and stuff on the platform
because we're focusing on something big.
So yeah, that's it.
Actually, I'm very excited, forward to this sunday for the
the free siwa nft mint and made by bangos who was in the audience uh who's no longer in the audience
but um shout out to bangos um and that's it did i did i forget something? I don't think so.
this,
this,
by the way,
was a question to you guys.
Yeah.
That's what I was wondering.
if we could answer that question,
that'd be kind of dope.
You know,
if we knew more than what a Kabila inside of you.
Yeah,
I mean,
maybe I forgot to mention something that has already been shared or whatnot,
but, um, yeah, no, cool. I think that's, mention something that has already been shared or whatnot.
But yeah, no, cool.
I think that's about it for me.
Anything else from you guys?
No, it doesn't seem like it.
Cool.
Well, Ekwa, since you're still here, we actually have an outro today, which is epic.
So I think we're ready to start that and well thanks everyone for
being here of course um always a pleasure to have such a great audience filled with many people but
great people as well um and thanks for interacting for being on stage asking each other questions
giving each other answers and um yeah see you next week Thank you.
