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HBAR Open Mic - Kabiplaza #133! 🎙️
Recorded: Sept. 18, 2025 Duration: 2:07:15Space Recording
Full Transcription
Thank you. Yo, yo, yo, technical difficulties, technical difficulties.
Give me a second, yo. See you next time. Thank you. I и Thank you. This is the first time I'm going to be able to get a new video.
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Welcome back everybody to Capi plaza episode 133 um well
i don't need to do my usual introduction because at the moment we're we've only got people in this
space who are here um mostly every week so you guys know what it's all about but let's get some
more people up in here usually it fills up a quicker, so I'm wondering what's going on.
But welcome back.
Anyway, plenty of stuff to talk about.
Brendan will not be here today because he is wrapping SalsaSwap in their community call.
He's wearing so many hats, so obviously at some point it's going to collide a bit.
But that's fine.
He'll be here again next week.
So make sure to repost his page, like it, leave a comment, so we get some more people up in here to talk about HBAR and HBAR NFTs
and the whole retail scene together with us.
All right.
Yeah. So last week started as a very fun week
and then very quickly turned into another fun week so we'll we'll talk about that of course
and talking about the bad birds um it all happened so fast so um i can't it seems like um
it seems like quite a long time ago actually i can't believe that we
this is the first carrie plaza since bad birds um but it is so we'll be talking about that because
it's important that we do so and um yeah okay with that i'm tossing it to agpa first how are you
how's your week going and um how does the ecosystem feel to you at the moment
let's go man yeah i totally agree with you man it's the web three time dilation uh yeah it feels
like uh bad birds the hype was like two months ago and they rocked like one month ago and then
um we're mostly over dude that's how it feels. I feel like life keeps going. The next big thing is right around the corner. There's some really influential people in the ecosystem. They still stick around. Hedera stays unchanged. The Web3 vibes, the bull cycle, nothing gets affected.
Yeah, I feel like the ecosystem took it really well.
There was bad birds and then right after it followed by Ivy.
A lot of people got salty, which they should because people are losing money.
But I feel like it's a good wake up call and a good reality check
because we're going to see a lot more of these things.
We don't know who's behind a lot of these projects and who who you could trust so yeah it's always good to have a
wake-up call that yeah doing your own research is really really important and it's really important
to only put in the kind of money that you can afford to lose because no matter where you look
there are people who are trying to steal your funds are people who are trying to steal your funds. There are people who are trying to steal your HBAR.
So, yeah, be careful, y'all, for sure.
But I feel like our ecosystem has matured a lot.
People are kind of more resilient and know that these things do happen in Web3.
So, yeah, shout out to all the HBAR barians who refuse to quit.
Also, a quick thing, the bubble button at the bottom
of the space, I don't think it's working. It's not working for me. So if you can't
see the bubble down there, I put the space up on the Jumbotron. You can click on that
link. You can click on that particular post and like and repost the space through that.
So yeah, there's a post up on the
jumbotron if you want to throw your likes and retweets uh do it right now so we can get the
room filled up but yeah now as i see we got more people coming in so that's always good i'll kick
it back to you new yeah it seems that there are some technical difficulties because i went on the
on pc to my personal profile to repose the space and
in first instance it said unable to show details or whatever so I think it's glitching a bit but
we'll get there so for the new people as well make sure to repose the space like it
and so we get some more people up in here and yeah man um i mean the the the birds of course and as
you mentioned after that were ivy space a brock today but those are different uh very different
from the bad birds i feel like the ivy and space ape they tried for a while um they did their best and weren't gaining a lot of traction and
then at some point um well just admitted like okay this is not working um then well i think
that's fine i saw a post from that comment from brandon today which i agree with like
from brandon today which i agree with like i think it's fine to to say as a as a founder
or founder of a meme court or whatever if you've been pushing for a year two years and you're not
getting traction um to leave it at that and step away and say okay this is um i'm not doing it
the right way apparently so uh um i won't be pushing this project anymore another thing is
dumping the tokens you have left um on the community you'll be building up uh that's
that's a big uh big no-go big difference and um so yeah by doing that they uh they still heard
the the community that was still there so that's tough to see but very
different from what happened with the bad birds I'll give my point of view or
my opinion on that one in a bit as well but I don't want to jump into that
straightaway want to welcome the guests first and well not just the guests, also the co-host, of course, Patrick. How are you today?
Hey, I'm fine.
It's Sonnetje dag, zoals mijn zoontje zegt,
but that translates weird the way that my son says it into English,
but you will know what it means.
So we say it's a sunny day.
He says it's a sun day, but in Dutch it sounds better.
But only Ivo will know that.
Sonnetje dag. he says it's a sun day but in dutch it sounds better but only eva will know that um but yeah i do have my my two cents on the job on the job on the on that uh stuff that happened there this
week especially on on ivy we never said anything uh about uh what we thought about when they launched
excuse me and and how they went about but personally i was very annoyed seeing all these fake
accounts spamming it all day long and uh full disclosure here we have some dire fans on smack
him as well and joey and i said to each other sometimes should we tell them to ramp that notch
down a bit because they look like bought spam bots really, really, we can't stop them and we decided, oh, let them go.
But they are real fans.
But if you see all these red flags, then you're like, oh man,
how can people buy that?
And I did a lot of investigation there.
But the thing is, I don't want to get into these threats,
putting projects and stuff.
So now it's easy to say okay yes and i
think people should do their own research and it was so easy to recognize and i don't know how many
people bought it because it wasn't it like in the beginning that they and and i'm not sure here again
anymore that they really pumped their own token a lot with their own money so didn't they just lose
a lot of money then themselves as well that might be an interesting thing to talk about but yeah if you but but for me it's
if you see these new projects popping up and sometimes they have 30k followers on day one
then you need to ask yourself where did these followers come from if they just started and
they didn't have 30k followers but it's true for other projects as well. And look at the comments, guys.
If all the comments look like bots, then, yeah, for me, it's a red flag.
And I see this, unfortunately, happening a lot.
Not only on Dara, everywhere, of course.
So, yeah, finally, I could get that out of my system because they're gone anyway.
So something good came out of it.
We disposed of the icon on our website as soon as
our web builder
was available so it's gone and we posted
that and we had so many new
people coming in saying hey
why is my icon not on there so we said well
send us a DM and
if you meet
the guidelines family friendly
no weird stuff going on then yeah of course
join that
that's what that's what we want to do we want to help obviously smack wants to help of course um
grow the community and bring awareness but it's um i'm here under the earthlings flag so that's
another topic um yeah doing well um i had a long intro now but it was i think a lot of people will
still have something to say about this um These topics are trending, of course, because everyone wants to say something about it.
So I'll just shut up and listen to what other people have to say.
And let's get some positivity going as well, because there are some great doxxed projects,
a lot of them building here.
So thanks for having me here again.
Let's get to the next guests.
Yeah, yeah.
Thanks for being here again.
And yeah, of course, this will always be a positive space,
but it's also good to reflect on some negative stuff if it happens.
Regarding IV, I have no clue how much of that market cap or volume was real.
I don't know.
I personally don't really, I was always wondering
like who's holding this, who's buying this
because I don't know anyone.
And I thought that they had traction in the Spanish community
but apparently they didn't have real traction there either.
These guys, I saw a post yesterday from Ivan,
which is a great guy and influential in the Spanish and their community.
I mean, he really distanced himself and the community from what happened there,
saying these guys are just bad actors.
The only thing I know is they were from Argentina.
And that's actually something that was bothering me,
everybody talking about the Spanish cabal, the Spanish cabal, this and that.
I understand that mostly everyone speaks English in Web3
and that if someone doesn't, then it's easy to pile them in,
to put them in the same cubicle.
Like, okay, you guys speak the same language,
so you're the same to me. But that's really not the case. The Spanish side of it there is growing,
definitely. And bad actors will pop up there as well. So yeah, that's my two cents on Ivy there.
Go ahead, Patrick. Yeah, bad actors are in every space, but it's just easy to run away if you are not doxxed here
and grab your money and just turn off your social.
So I think maybe that's why it's easier here.
But about the Spanish thing, yeah, way back then I scrolled down
and I looked at all these accounts that, yeah,
I did my homework a bit back then. I looked at all these accounts that, yeah, I did my homework a bit back then.
I looked at all these accounts that were always there.
And I scrolled back down and some of them, a lot of them were very new,
but a lot of them were indeed also Spanish.
But the thing is, now we know they are,
because they were in a space a week or two weeks ago, I think.
They were from South America.
So there's a lot of Spanish speaking people there.
So that makes sense.
Yeah.
Oh, sure.
Talking in my juice and you got me off guard.
I thought you were mid-sentence,
but then you just muted yourself.
Was that on purpose?
Did you finish what you were trying to say?
Yeah, it was on purpose, but I put you on the spot there.
Okay, no worries.
I want to toss it to Joe as well,
because he put something up on the Jumbotron or the Megaboard.
It's a very cool video of the artist making some Smack'Em art. And there's also very cool video um of the artist making some um some smackum art so and
there's also a giveaway attached right yeah there there is and um it's nice um fossil and his
team have put up a couple and a couple other people have of their uh artists actually drawing
the art and there's a lot of attention on um ai and versus real art and a
lot of times you can make funny memes and and great content with ai but people tend to prefer
real artists so we asked ours to to do a drawing and we decided to do a good giveaway with it
here's the problem x is so bad like bad. I have notifications obviously turned on from
my HBAR Joe account to SmackEm, and I didn't get the notification when this post was made.
And then I was like, okay, well, I'll go like it and repost it. And I couldn't find it,
and I couldn't find the SmackEm account. So I had to go to another person's post who's repost it and I couldn't find it and I couldn't find the SmackEm account. So I had to go to
another person's post who's reposted SmackEm, click on it to get to the SmackEm account to
put this up top. And I noticed at that point we'd only had like 20 views. So content, even for
accounts you're following with notifications on are getting
hidden so the algorithm's so screwed up with x i'm fed up with it and i have nothing to do
with nfts or memes but it really pissed me off so i wanted to talk about that
yeah it definitely doesn't always work very well uh i follow some people and i even have
notifications on for some and i never see shit and then every once in a while i'm like oh let i
let's check uh did they post anything recently and then they did and it just doesn't just doesn't
pop up on the timeline but yeah so anyway anybody in, if you don't mind, you don't have to hold smack them to do it.
Just take a second and go share that little video and give away, please, for us to help it get out there since the algorithm's not doing it for us.
Yeah, and if you can guess what the drawing is about, what is the joke behind it, because we have
it ready already, then we'll add another giveaway.
Smack him on that as well.
Joey, can I do that?
But it might be obvious, but it might not be.
So tell us, you've got still tomorrow when the new post comes out.
The one who guesses it right, we'll drop him something as well.
I think that would be nice.
Let's see if they can guess.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
But yeah, to speak,
I know you've got a couple up here.
To speak to what you were talking about with Ivy,
I had questions about it from the beginning.
We kind of kept our distance.
And we had a couple of talks with them and DMs, but never got a voice-to-voice or face-to-face call.
And, you know, sometimes there's a language barrier, but that wasn't it.
So people are like, their volume's not real.
Well, let me tell you this.
And even Gibb has done it.
Gibb has done it. You have to put money into your brand. So you have to buy your own token to
You have to put money into your brand.
support the price, or you have to get funds to add to liquidity. So that never bothered me that they
and you kind of could tell that they were buying their own token. Every major token on other chains
that's made it, I would say 98% freshers in here probably have better insight
than me, but I'd say 98% of them have market makers or VCs, or they came in wealthy and they
buy their token to support the dips and to push the price. So when people are saying, oh, they're
buying their own token, well, to make a successful successful when you have to invest in your own token and we can talk more about that later i see lenny down there um it's
the conversation that needs to be had because people still don't know how memes work and what
they do yes it's community but if the brand isn't supporting their token they're doing it all wrong
they're doing it all wrong
interesting
definitely interesting
go ahead Patrick
also
because it might sound hypocrite
you had some red flags
on your
thoughts and you didn't say
no because a red flag
doesn't mean they're a rock
I wasn't sure I couldn't prove anything on your thoughts and you didn't say no because a red flag doesn't mean they're a rock um that's
right i wasn't sure i couldn't prove anything yes and then it's fucked until you can prove something
so they reached out to to me for earthlings uh as well and then i for collaboration and i said well
let's first have a talk then but i want to do a face-to-face talk they didn't want that so i said
well i don't i don't collaborate at all with people who don't do a face-to-face talk because i want to know who's behind the project so that ended it and
then later they asked me again and i just kept a little bit uh polite distance um well yeah so
i'm not a hypocrite but if you can't prove it it, it's still fud. And so I think then it's not cool to mingle with those things.
And people have their own brain.
And if they can't see red flags, then, yeah,
who am I to go interfere with these things?
It just gives me stress having yes, no conversations and stuff like that.
So I don't like fudding and having long discussions on socials.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, the thing is, we still don't know their initial intentions, I'd say.
What if it would have been a great success?
Would they have still rocked or would they have continued then?
I don't know.
It feels like it's a failed project that we're frustrated.
Yep.
I see.
It was on my mind too.
Here's here.
And I'll let other,
I know I keep saying I'll let other people talk,
but here's,
here's how I saw it from the beginning.
As long as the price was going up,
they were going to stick around.
They were, as long as they could sell tokens and, they were going to stick around. As long as they
could sell tokens and make money and then buy tokens on the dips. And that's what the big,
big token founders do. They do it on every single chain. So I don't know that their intentions were
necessarily bad. People were saying it was the long rug. And yeah, and if the price had gotten
the 25, 30 million, maybe they did the same thing
at that point. But I think they were just waiting to see what the top was going to be, which happens
on meme after meme after meme after meme. So do you say if they had gotten to $30 million and did
this, is it worse than them doing it at $300,000? Or if it kept kept going to 100 million. So you see it with memes all the time.
I think they were just trying to play the meme game and got caught up and couldn't grow a community,
which is their own fault. I'm not saying people left them out. They just didn't manage it in
the right way. And they got to a point where they're like well this is it and
yeah they should have liquidity there and not dumped the tokens but um you know a lot of people
are bad actors when it comes to the end of the line yeah the ruler your thoughts and welcome to
the space by the way good morning good morning thanks for having me always a pleasure i know
the space is acting up
but yeah guys go up on that big post the second one that new made and retweet like the space try
to leave a comment still somewhere uh it took me a little while to get up on stage initially as well
x doing x things but joe um the the launch initially was completely botched. The team ended up buying up supply using multiple accounts, and they denied doing that.
So yes, teams that are successful buy up their own token, they buy up their own supply,
but they're also transparent about doing that.
These guys came in, they completely botched it, and they lied about how they did it.
So this was 100 percent slow rug all along
and like you said they were waiting for the volume to pick up so they can find their exit strategy
uh i think uh patrick mentioned it the accounts that were following them supporting them were all
alt accounts that were created to actually boost some sort of community morale that never existed
to begin with so this was never a legitimate project.
This was never something that was ever going to stick around.
It was just a matter of time before they found their exit strategy.
And like you said, they were hoping the volume would keep going up
because that's what HBAR was doing at that time.
Memes were popping off.
They're like, ooh, maybe we can extract a little bit more here and there,
and then we can find our way out.
I had some conversations with
them in the dms as well it just it looked like hey we need the attention quick help us help us
it was it never felt like a long-term thing and when it comes to the space ape space ape always
kind of struck me as the guy who who wanted to do something but never really had the
traction to do so and i don't even know anybody
that held this coin so i know they arrived today but i don't really think that was major harm done
to anybody if there was again my condolences hopefully you didn't suffer too much and lose
too much and like you guys mentioned earlier angry birds yeah that fiasco we can put behind us that's
that's one that really slipped through the cracks
for most of us and i see some people are trying to cto the actual nft collection please don't
let it die it was yeah i think i saw a post from them that they're quitting the cdo sorry to jump
in perfect perfect thank you for that i haven't had a chance to catch up on the timeline yet but
yeah please drop that it was a 30 h bar
mint we don't need that so uh i also did see that some scammers try to launch a cto coin a meme job
and uh it was found out that they're the same ones that launched her hash perps that nft
collection they minted for 300 h bar the other day and completely rugged seconds after so people like
i think psych said are extremely vigilant right
now they're tracking wallets like crazy so if you're an idiot that's opening up wallets using
previous wallets that you used to rug with you're going to get caught real quick so that's what
happened today that coin on meme job never had any volume so it no one got hurt in the end so
again shout out to the community members doing their research and posting it to make sure that no one else gets affected.
So just a quick rundown for you guys from my point of view as well.
Yeah.
No, definitely.
People are especially vigilant right now.
And they should be.
I agree.
I don't think SpaceApe did a lot of harm in the community.
And I see him as another guy who tried, failed, and took a little bit of what was left out for himself,
probably for the effort that he poured into that.
You can judge that, but it wasn't a big rock, in my opinion.
that, but it wasn't
a big rock
in my opinion. The Bad Birds,
all I'm going to say about it is
still feels weird to me.
We talked about this
yeah, you say it's
one that slipped through the cracks.
Maybe
that was the case, maybe Endo played
everyone. Maybe Endo got played himself.
I don't know.
He showed a lot of effort in everything he did,
in networking, in getting all the details on the launchpad right,
even the details that nobody was going to see anyway.
He was a perfectionist.
He kept some NFTs behind to do a forever mint in the future,
which is odd if you're playing on rugging. some NFTs behind to do a forever mint in the future,
which is odd. If you're planning on rugging,
he paid the Discord bots,
he paid for Discord bots in the Bad Birds Discord
a day before the rug happened.
All sorts of those little things,
yeah, makes me think that maybe something else
was happening behind the stage that we don't know of.
Anyway, as you said, it's probably better not see the only and just taking the L and moving on.
But it's definitely a weird one.
And yeah, I think it minted on Thursday and on Sunday.
I was getting messages that it rocked.
It was very, very strange.
But we shouldn't let that spoil any future NFT fun and positive mints, possible positive mints.
But we should definitely learn from all the negative moments and yeah,
make sure we have as little of them as possible.
Lenny, go ahead and welcome up on stage.
Hey guys.
Happy Friday's Eve.
Jordan here.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me up.
New psyched Patrick.
It's up to ruler Joe bamboo.
I can never pronounce this.
Bambooey?
Bamboo...
How do you...
Bamboo...
Boonji.
Bamboo-nji.
Bamboo-nji.
I'm never going to get that right.
Anyways, Bamboo-nji.
That's right, that's right.
And Young Doodles, how are you doing?
Yeah, I just wanted to say a couple words
about Ivy real quick. i wasn't personally super
surprised about this i was surprised how they rugged and then came back and posted a picture
of ivy in a gray site i was like in a coffin i was like what the f so that was that was odd
seeing it all now um but yeah i mean when something's built on a foundation that's a lie, like them basically saying, hey, we're with the foundation or like we have connections with the foundation.
Like, yeah, yeah, I didn't buy that in the beginning.
Smelled like shit and ended up as shit.
So, you know, when it normally smells like shit, might be shit.
That's an astute observation any jamin go ahead yeah you know hearkening back to the bad birds i i think that like the big thing for me is i just
hope that it doesn't overly discourage us when the next project comes through that's got fire art and we're vibing it and we want to be involved in it. way is comfortable on a personal, like person-to-person basis, all make your own decisions,
but not just close the door on or overly token gate the HBAR landscape.
You know, we're still fairly nascent.
I think we're at a critical turning point here.
I think we're getting real attention from XRP and others from outside, you know, our core community.
And we just need to remain fluid and open and fall forward and not get too, too hung up if we can on these things.
And maybe update our own personal checklists that we each individually have for what makes us comfortable to get involved in something.
But yeah, that's kind of my hope with the Bad Birds thing is that it doesn't overly sour the waters for us,
because I don't think that it should.
So yeah, just my two cents real quick.
And this is actually one of the first times I've come to this space.
It's a very illuminating conversation.
And yeah, I plan on attending these more.
So it's good to be here, guys.
Yeah, good to have you here, man, Justin.
Always welcome.
And I actually have a topic that's attached strongly to what we're talking about right
now that I want to discuss with all of you and would like to have your opinion on. I think it's pretty important for Gawela moving forward
but yeah we've got people up on stage and and I want to get to everyone first before we
before I start off that topic. Yeah so Justin you just gave us your two cents on what we're talking about but
um how are you doing um what are you up to and um yeah what would you like to share with us today
well with it being my first time i think you know real, most of the people in the room know this, but I am the co-founder of Barbarian Inc.,
which is a launchpad for in-real-life artists and occasionally artists who are already here on Web3,
but dabble in physical art that are interested in onboarding and digitizing their physical pieces here on Hedera.
So that's kind of my main thing.
We just did a mint with Houdini
and that one was a little bit different in some really cool and interesting ways.
Yeah, there's, you know, I've just embarked upon a very ambitious project with Postmaster called WrappedX. We're actually going to be doing an INO with Liam at MPART through MPART Hedera probably in November. We're remaining fluid with everything
right now, but the premise behind that is a wrapped non-Hedera native assets DEX,
specifically focusing on the top 50 DLTs by market cap.
And we've got a very interesting ethos that we're really embracing for this,
which is use what's already been built here on Hedera.
So you're going to see things like single-sided staking from ivy5 for example again we're remaining fluid on on all of this but for
sorry i got a phone call um but for now like this this is this is kind of where things stand um
lending and borrowing protocol through Bonzo.
We're building on the H Suite tech stack.
We're really wanting to,
we're gonna be porting tokens over using Hashport,
which is a company backed by the foundation,
the Hedera Foundation, and they've been here for four years.
So we're really trying to lean into what's already been built here instead of trying
to completely reinvent the wheel.
We're going to have some really strong analytics tools for people that are serious
traders, and we're going to be working with Hefty Samich on this in terms of the dev that we're going with.
And we've got a lot of support from H-Suite, from Hashport.
We've had meetings with many, many people in the space on the back end and we're really trying to create a situation where we're tapping into what's
already here, what's already been built to bring forth something that we think could
drive real liquidity and volume.
And it's kind of like cross chain, but in the best way possible, where all roads lead
It's not a two-way road. It's literally something that's being built
that will bring people from other chains in.
And the thinking here is,
it's time to really show the world,
literally like the Web3 world, what Hedera can do,
what this Hashgraph technology is really about
and um you know the the security and the the you know the green nature of the hashgraph
and the lightning fast transaction speeds and you know it's time to really have this be
leveraged as much as possible you know silk, Silk Suites doing it as we speak.
They've been so supportive.
They're completely unthreatened by this, which they're just so supportive.
Their whole thing is HTS tokens.
And, you know, who knows what comes next with them.
But that's the thing here.
It will be no, and I don't mean to ramble here.
It's just, it's a lot.
No HTS tokens are going to be on this DEX.
It's called RAPDEX.
So we're going to turn off all the chatter of the network
and just focus on the top 50 by market cap DLTs and go from there.
So quite ambitious, but that's what I've been up to in as much of a nutshell as is possible.
Well, thanks for sharing that. That sounds super cool.
I read Dex. Looking forward to hearing a bit more about that journey leading up to November.
Maybe we can touch a bit further on that or digest it further later in the space.
We do have a new guest here as well.
So I want to take the topic of conversation back to NFTs for now.
And also leading up to a central topic that I want to discuss as
well but Bambunji thanks for being so patient it always takes a while to get around stage but
uh welcome um how did you get here let's start with that yo hello thanks for having me here. Back to again with Resin here.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I joined yesterday with...
I forgot your name, the site Era.
Yeah, I forgot your name yesterday.
Thanks for having me on your space.
Now, hello, everyone. Thanks for having me on your space now.
Hello everyone, I'm here, racing back again as a representative of Bambunji.
So yeah, let's have a talk while I'm chilling here.
I'm sorry if my voice is a bit sour, because I'm a bit not feeling that healthy. So yeah, I hope you guys understand and clearly hear my voice.
Yeah, loud and clear. Joe, go ahead.
Can I ask an obvious question? How do you get 2.4K followers since June?
And I've been here participating for four years and don't have 3,000.
It always makes me curious how somebody gets followers so quickly and you're only following 330 people.
Are you there, Ben Bunji?
Hello, hello. Sorry, I forgot to start on my mic.
So yeah, we actually doing such many collaborations and giveaways before.
When we were building our chain and also in ApeChain, if you know, I talked yesterday about it. So we were building our NFT and our project in ApeChain before, doing a lot of collaboration there.
And also our co-founder,
Rifan, has one of
crypto community in Indonesia.
So we got a lot of traction because of that.
You can check in his profile, the Pegasus. Yeah, that's the reason we do a lot of collaboration
and also some giveaway for, yeah.
Did you launch anything over there?
Bambuji, you're muted.
Yeah, no, no, no.
We moved here even before our lives.
We haven't yet lost anything there in AppChain.
You can cross-check if you want to.
Perfect. Thanks. Sorry to put you on the spot.
I just, some of the glaring questions I had.
Just because it's the first time I've seen you. Thank you.
Sure, sure.
Liam, go ahead, man.
Thanks. Appreciate it. Hey, guys. Nice to be here.
So I think, you know, we're all pretty disdained at what's happened recently. And I think that I need to address the elephant in the room, especially being somebody who was quite harmed by what recently happened with Bad Birds. And as someone who genuinely wants to support creatives in this ecosystem, like there are a lot of people here who actually really care about this ecosystem. There are a lot of people here who actually really care about this ecosystem.
And there's a lot of damage that's done when projects come
out of nowhere and then steal people's money,
or they slow-rug people, or when snipes happen, et cetera.
And I think everyone is probably, at this point,
pretty sick and tired of all of that happening.
So I think it's important that we're all honest with one
another and speak candidly.
So, and I mean this with truly no no disrespect as i have no idea who you are
in fact i've never seen you before heard your voice and so this comes from you know just a place
of goodness and kindness so please don't take it the wrong way but i find it very strange that
you're using the exact same terminology as bad birds, such as OG slash whitelist,
and that you also have 3,333 NFTs that are being released
when bad birds had that amount of NFTs.
And that you're using similar line work in your artworks
to what bad birds used in their art pieces.
And that I did go back to the beginning of your X account
and I can't see any mention of Ape Chain
and I don't see anything i can't see any mention of ape chain
and i don't see anything about the founder you just mentioned so i hate to interrogate you this
is this must be quite horrible to be on the receiving end of if you're innocent however
i think that the community deserves full transparency at this point because a lot of
us have been hurt multiple times over now by fake launches and people coming to extract liquidity.
So I think that we need to put an end to that.
Just a really quick point to that.
I did do some reverse Google image searching and I found some deleted posts on Google.
Just, yeah, just a quick note on that as well.
So let me also do some clarification about my point.
Because we built here in AppChain before and doing so many collaboration. To be honest, I'm as a BD, don't involve in to about the posts, the managing posts, the
social media, to be honest.
I'll be honest with you.
And also about the correlation between 300, 3,000 and 33,
that you think that,
we actually before,
even before we knowing about Bad Birds, we already decided to release that amount of collection.
So yeah.
So let me be clear.
We even,
we come to this space and before and even before we knowing everyone, we just come to community, to HBAR community and connecting with some people also helping by community is warm. But after that, when bad birds happen, all of a sudden, some of
the community are attacking us, to be honest. I understand, but they're concerned and they're
hurting because they're wrought by bad birds. That's why. Also, I saw the post that I don't know if bad birds are art generated by AI or whatever.
But my artist, our artist is hand drawing this.
And also, he's living in Bali too and doing his work too.
But more in web too and physical work, artists. Because, yeah, that's another reason our artists are based on Bali.
This is for all information, so, yeah.
Thanks for answering these questions, uh ben moji and feel free
to um reply in a bit uh liam but um so yeah i i can understand that this is not the ideal situation
for you trying to launch on a on a chain where uh the bad birds just just rocked and the community is very weary.
But I want to point out a difference between
Ben Boonji and another project that was planning on launching Puno with his apes.
Some people quickly found out that it was copy paste art
and the ruler actually advised them to hold off on minting
because of what happened and to build a community first.
They ignored that advice and decided to launch in two days.
Well, that didn't go through.
So that's good to see.
I believe you are taking the same advice from the ruler and treating it as valuable advice, I think, right? Because you guys are not looking
to launch very soon, but actually holding off a bit and building up some more community
first. Is that correct? Yes, that's correct. Also, need to add We we have plan to do some multi signature of wallets.
So also the team is ready for KYC.
If is that needed to be honest is yeah.
If that's needed, we will.
The team is will do the KYC and also multi
signature of what multi signature of all it.
So yeah, just just ever I we we're still exploring that
that possibility to do.
That's a great sign man and we definitely appreciate you being up
here and answering all the questions being transparent.
You went through integration yesterday in the setting the bar
space as well.
So you held up.
Yeah, every so to be honest, it's tiring. yesterday in the setting the bar space as well. So you held up pretty close. So we appreciate you being here.
It's tiring, bro.
Bro, it's tiring.
Every day I got many of the intro great things from Kodi.
But I understand that.
I understand that.
But to be honest, you can ask me about the project.
I will answer it as my knowledge.
Also, with all clear information, go through all source information that I give to you all.
Yeah, that's all.
Yeah, and I feel like us as a community should go through these questions with every project anyway.
We just don't need to attack them.
We should just be inquisitive and curious.
And this is just us doing our own research.
So I hope, Bamboonji, you take no offense because we're just looking forward to the best of the community.
We had Nick who joined us on stage who had his hand up.
Then we'll go to Young Doodles and then the ruler.
Nick, welcome to the space, man.
What's up everybody yeah just on joe's point uh you know that is a lot of followers to have with with a
really limited twitter history to me if posts are deleted that's kind of a red flag also like 20
verified followers among the 3 300300 followers is just not,
it's just not organic.
You know, that for me would be a red flag.
Yeah.
I feel like, like you said,
they did giveaways and probably deleted the posts.
Maybe something like that,
but it's definitely a bot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'd be following.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause.
Yeah.
Cause I just confirmed with my social media that handle social media.
He's one of the teams that he want to clearly not misunderstand about where we launched.
So he decided to remove the post about R-related with AppChain.
That's why, yeah, that's for clear information because I try to be fast and forward,
deliver the information through the space right now.
I just contact him to him. Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, let's go.
Well, we also have the Young Doodles account with us.
Thanks for joining us today.
Go ahead.
What's up, Neil? What's up, everyone?
Hey, morning here in Colombia.
Steven's in the comments.
Young Doodles knows.
I saw the ruler go ahead first
give me give me a little time i i am i am taking breakfast then the wronger go ahead please
what's up young doodles you know thank you man and uh yeah just to kind of keep the topic on
what's up young doodles yeah thank you man and uh yeah just to kind of keep the topic on
the bamboo guys um i have been in their dms and unlike for example puno i have not gotten any
pushback to any questions i asked or anything that i discussed with them so they have been extremely
uh responsive and willing to change up things willing to listen willing to uh implement and uh willing to pivot as well so that
that kind of uh was a frustrating to see considering what what's happening with puno so i do got to give
them a shout out as well i they didn't hesitate they immediately started going into spaces as well
saying hey yes of course we want to address all these questions and yes we're not hesitant to be
interrogated because we know that the community was hurt by angry birds so we want to address all these questions and yes we're not hesitant to be into interrogated
because we know that the community was hurt by angry birds so we want to make sure that we answer
as many questions as possible to give people an insight to what we're doing so i i do got to give
him a shout out for that portion as well and guys if you see the account down there oh never mind he
just left so that angry bird cto me job Some people did start buying it I just made a post not to touch that garbage. So please do not get into that
The guy is a scammer his account has been I don't think he left. I think he came up on the stage, you know
Yeah, did you come up on stage? That's why I see it? Oh, this is gonna be good
This is gonna be really good.
Yo, what are you talking about bad birds?
Yo, what are you talking shit about, Batbirds?
Batbirds, men talking, going to the moon.
Wait your turn, brother.
Please, wait your turn for sure.
Thank you for joining us.
Oh, boy.
I don't even think of the turn.
We're not gonna do this.
How do you say that?
How do the guys on SRP...
Clapped his ass.
He clapped his ass.
I clapped his ass!
We're not gonna do this.
Well, if you guys didn't have a confirmation that he's a scammer,
you heard it there first, so I mean,
that was a stamp on that envelope.
Bye-bye!
Let's continue.
Ekwa, you know where we were.
Thanks, man.
We're at Liam now,
but Liam, first of all, I definitely want to say, sorry, I forgot to welcome you to the space last time I passed the mic to you. But yeah, man, definitely appreciate you for supporting the ecosystem the way you do. And sorry for your loss, man. Nobody saw it coming with the bad words for sure, dude. But yeah, I'm passing it back to you, bro.
sure dude but yeah i'm passing it back to you bro thanks appreciate that look i mean you know we've
been very blessed lately with things that i can't speak about and some things that i can speak about
such as making a killing on dovu pumping so i think all around it's all good it's not like an
enormous loss for me what i'm truly concerned about is other people you know who don't have
what we have and i can imagine that a lot of newcomers
have been trashed over and over and over again by these kinds of rugs, not just on our ecosystem,
but I think it's just like, I don't know what it is about our ecosystem. You know,
there are people with integrity here and people with integrity who are emotionally intelligent,
who have good intentions usually get taken advantage of. And it's unfair, not only on those people, but it's also unfair on founders. Because like,
I appreciate, Bamboonji, you defending your case. I think everyone's made some good points here that
has addressed them. I think if anything, if you're able to continue working consistently and overcome
these accusations, I think you'll have a strong
foundation to stand on. But I think that we have the right at this point as a community to be
very healthily skeptical about the launches that happen in this ecosystem. I truly am of the belief
that there is a group of individuals who is colluding to manipulate people's opinions about projects, launch multiple tokens to extract
liquidity. And some of them pretend that they're the good guys too. And I've just been quiet for
too long about it. So I just urge everyone to approach any launch with caution from now on,
you know, don't ape in and buy 11 of an NFTft that launches even if you really want to support a founder
you know it's just it's not worth the risk for you and that's unfair on founders but at the end of the day this can't keep going on because there's not going to be any liquidity left to help
anyone if this keeps going on this way so i think that we need to ask the right questions but if you
see the red flags going up like 600 people buying an nft in like a bearish
nft market in five seconds as soon as an nft collection goes live on kabila there's that's a
red flag right with with ando from bad birds he came onto kabila open mic last week he spoke like
an absolute champion like i thought he sounded frankly like a trustworthy legend so it seems like we're getting to the point where professional con men are coming into this ecosystem and extracting liquidity now.
So we have to be cautious.
It's important that we're able to be honest with each other.
And we shouldn't feel like that's something that we can't do anymore.
And I think that that honesty is only going to make this place better.
Because some of us are genuinely here to add value. And Kabila is here to add value. And that's what that honesty is only going to make this place better because some of us are genuinely here to add value and Kabila is here to add value.
And that's what this space is about.
Like there are some of us who are in this for the long run.
So let's make this a place where we can all thrive.
And there's more support that you can give a founder than buying 11 NFTs at a time or buying what we did, which was very unwise.
You know, buying a 8,000 HBAR NFT like two days after a collection has launched just because wow you want to ape into that you know you see the the opportunity
for clout you see the opportunity to have the amazing pfp you see the opportunity of people
buying dead pixels buying mark rise for 50 000 h bar you know it's easy to get swept up in that
but i think that we all just need to be more measured and work together to ensure that this ecosystem is growing consistently.
Oh, yeah, I think that makes sense.
I mean, you can be interested in an NFT project.
NFT should be fun.
So it's not about being the first and minting 30, 50 NFTs because you want to be a whale and then getting burned.
because you want to be a whale and then getting burned,
Yeah, that hurts.
But at the same time, if you're a founder
and you truly want to build a community,
you shouldn't be relying on people wailing into your project
and a bunch of people minting tens of NFTs.
You know, if you want to get involved, just mint.
Mint one, maybe a couple if you really like the thing.
But then if it's a bad actor
after all and you do get rocked you don't burn your fingers that that that much so I think that's
some some solid solid advice yeah it always helps if you've got suspicion, a suspicion about what's going on in the ecosystem to openly discuss it with others.
And I do understand that you're not naming names to not make a fuzz over here.
But yeah, being too cryptic can only, can also confuse people.
So I wouldn't encourage that uh a lot either um i want to ask the ruler did you
um actually get your turn because there were a couple of hands up a while ago and a couple of
them are down right now did you uh were you able to say what you wanted to say yeah i gave bamboo
their flowers for being responsive and you know willing to take questions and be interrogated and also i was just warning
guys not to buy that angry birds uh token sorry angry birds bad birds token on meme job but
the guy came up and did me a massive favor as well so thanks buddy yeah i don't know what he
was looking to accomplish with that to be honest um but all right i think uh ecuac um correct me if i'm wrong i think we have who had his hand up
first jeremy or jeremy did jeremy all right welcome up on stage man how have you been and
what do you want doing good i've got to jump on another uh space so i just wanted to say that i
believe you guys cannot ask enough questions of founders. Founders should answer questions.
If you're asking for people to give you money for something you put out, you owe it to the
community to be transparent, period, in this story. So that's really all I had to say. We've
taken all the questions we can, try to do as many AMAs as we can you know we we just got audited we just posted the
audit um from uh hash lock and you know we had like our governors we do private governor amas
for the people that bought our nfts and they asked how much it cost and they were like can we tell
them that i'm like yeah they paid for it they paid for it. So we owe them to tell them where the money's going.
Anyway, Daruler has his hand up.
I don't know if it's for me or not.
I got to jump off and get on this call, but I'll answer it if you've got a quick question.
It is for you, Jeremy.
Good to see you on stages, bro.
Good to see you, bud.
How you doing?
I'm doing well, man.
We got to play some pool again.
Yes, sir.
Now, for those guys listening to Jeremy talk, I had the pleasure of meeting him IRL.
I got to see him face-to-face, asking questions face-to-face.
An absolute gem of a guy.
So definitely looking up to meet with him again.
And, yeah, absolutely, Jeremy, man.
Ask as many questions as we should.
And never, never, never stop being dormant.
Never, sorry, never be dormant again because can't
just go blindly mint stuff now again so shout out to you for doing what you're doing i see you always
hustling and uh being transparent with the community so massive shout out to jeremy guys
all right appreciate you guys y'all have a great day and again ask questions again this is crypto
you got to be real only invest in good actors
talk to y'all later bye bye
okay then we have young noodles and and then we're going to um a g after that but uh go ahead
sebastian yes again what's up everyone what's, thank you for the time. And today is a special day for me.
For two things are important right now.
First, that is that I reached three years in ADERA.
This morning I wake up remembering all the things I do in ADERA,
all the good moments and the hard times that I spent in the projects
in Boldbed to grow up, to maintain the community, to maintain the brand and to maintain the
creator here in the space.
And I want to tell you that it's been a great journey being a creator and artist. Some people don't know, but I am Sebas, the creator behind Jundoodles.
And I work with Mibor Bor, with Tigers, with the cartel, like artists.
That's the thing I want to start with all these years.
It's a lot of time.
I don't want to think how much time this is.
No, the first person that I met in there was the ruler.
I remember he did a pretty long meeting with me face to face to see if I was a good creator or a root girl. I don't know if they
already remember that meeting, but this guy is amazing. He helped me a lot to wake up
the project and the brand. Now, Jun Do Do's, I want to come to the space to start that
I want to come to the space to share that JunDudus is involved in the development of a good product for the AderaCAD community.
This is AderaCAD. We shared it today in X, in a tweet.
And I want to share with you that we are going to launch a data card product in NFT form.
This is a physical product, a high quality product, a unique design.
It's a different card of what you see in a data space than the A.
I can't wait to tell you because we are going to reveal this on September 23, September 23, sorry.
And no more now.
I want to start that with you because we are launching,
we are not launching NFT common collection with that.
We are going to share a product, a physical product.
Then this is a, this is a this is a seriously launched
the ruler knows some people knows kabila knows that we are going to share share and launch and
seriously nft product then yeah can't wait guys sounds awesome sebastian thanks for sharing that Sounds awesome, Sebastian.
Thanks for sharing that.
I did have a little trouble hearing well what you said.
So last time it was better.
So I don't know if you're using earplugs or earbuds or something like that now.
But maybe try speaking into the phone directly.
I don't know if you were doing that,
but last time it was a little bit better.
But it's always a pleasure to have you up on stage and you've been around in the ecosystem for a long time.
Darula, feel free to jump in on that
as he mentioned you explicitly.
Yeah, and just as a reminder to everybody,
you cannot use a language barrier
as an excuse not to come up in spaces.
Young Doodles, when he first came out in Hedera, he didn't speak any English, essentially.
And guess what?
He went out.
He continued talking in spaces.
He continued learning English.
So he's here today and extremely well-spoken, even though it's not his native language.
And I know Bambunji is doing the same thing.
It's not their native language, but they're up here speaking as well. And yeah, when Young Doodles came, it was also that rush of NFT collections
that we had coming to HBAR and it was starting to get a little bit ruggy. So people kept, you know,
fighting projects. So Young Doodles was coming up and he, again, looked legit to me personally.
So I asked him, hey, if you're not a a rugger come up and talk to me on a video call
otherwise i'm not going to support you i'm not going to put my name behind you so he said yes
let's do it young doodles i don't even remember what language we spoke i think i spoke to you in
spanish i think we threw some english in there but man this guy is still around to date and now
he's launching his um physical cap collection guys when you see the quality of these caps that he's doing,
and I believe, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this,
but it's a limited collection.
So you definitely want to be somebody holding his cap
because it's going to be an NFT
and you get to redeem it for a physical cap IRL.
So I'm extremely bullish because I saw the quality of it.
So, Young Doodles, Sebastian,
always a pleasure having you in Spaces, brother.
Wow, Daryl, thank you very much, bro.
Yeah, my English, bro, it's pretty hard for me to learn English, though, you know.
I'm from Colombia.
I only speak Spanish when I started on the DERA.
I didn't know this war was in English, then I needed to start to learn English and learning in space
is a pretty hard challenge for me for the communication, but yeah, focus on improving
my English, my skills every day and motivating.
The ruler is one of the guys that helped a lot on the space dance is he's amazing
cavilla and all of you are amazing he's marking in part me and leanne i remember leanne called me
when they lost to to collaborate with them then leanne is a pretty amazing founder in Edera. And all of you know, this new robot for us will be pretty nice and special because this
cab is unique.
Caruller is the only guy that knows and he knows that this cab is very huge and we can
wait to share this product with you. There was a lot of work
and development behind the scenes in the last few months. Then Jake and Y, we are going to
reveal this next Thursday and to share it. Then yeah, no much more. I hope you
next Wednesday, then yeah, no more.
I hope you liked this and keep today on the project.
And thank you very much for the space of time.
And I hope you understand me good and no more.
Always, always welcome here in Cabby Plaza.
And these caps, is it something you only showed to the ruler or is it something you could share
maybe by posting it up on the Jumbotron with us?
Thank you very much, Neil, and have a good day.
Yeah, you too.
I was asking about a sneak peek, but maybe we can do that next time.
Yeah, it shows that to the ruler, dude.
That was the answer.
All right, all right.
No worries.
We've got some new people up on stage as well, which I really want to get to.
Let's see i think marvin is still in here because
i keep getting requests uh to join the stage again i don't see him in the audience any
any more so all right i won't uh no i won't comment on that any further ag saving investor
welcome up on stage is this your first time on Covey Plaza or not?
I don't think we spoke on here before.
What's up, guys?
So I'm glad that we have really good...
What's up, Camilla?
Hey, Earthlings.
And it's like, how are you guys doing?
I'm sorry.
I'm just glad that we have a lot of HBAR influencers that ask the hard questions and don't mind asking.
I mean, projects, and I'm super hesitant about any mean coin unless, you know, it's from Nick or, like, Doza or Suit and stuff.
But I'm just paranoid.
And I really am.
Like, when I helped with Sauce E-News, their CTO, it was successful, and then the new management came in.
it was their CTO.
It was successful, and then a new management came in.
And then, you know, Penny ran away with the funds.
Poncho just ghosted everyone.
And it was a disaster.
And you know what I'm saying?
It's like, holy crap, who can you trust?
Unless you know, one, the founder, and two, you know their game plans in and out, and you have their wallets, and you know the distribution.
So it's easy to hide behind cryptos and an amenity.
And I'm not even sure if I said that right.
It's so easy.
And even utility tokens, man.
I'm not going to say the full name, but I'm sure you guys remember something R-Jam that completely blew up.
I was standing behind just because they were listed in the, whatchamacallit, HBAR's, the main website or whatever.
So, man, it's, so be completely, I mean, it's okay to be hostile.
That's what I'm saying.
Obviously respectful.
It's more than okay to be hostile in a respectful manner because anyone can hide behind a wall or a mask.
And there are already renowned influencers, the only ones that I can trust, because I've seen them for years, how they behave and how they interact.
You know, Jamin, Nick, the ruler, you know, and the wild tigers.
What's his face? Maui's name.
Maui. Exactly. Maui.
So those are the only ones that I can only, it's hard for anyone else.
And so listen to them.
And I won't just listen to one.
I will listen to multiple because it's incredible how suddenly a project that's been doing great for six months, nine months, even a year, even a year and a half.
And suddenly it just implodes.
You go, what happened? So it surprised me when Ivy or Evie, I don't know how to say, how do you say that meme coin? months you know even a year even a year and a half and suddenly it just implodes you go what
happened so it surprised me when ivy or evy i don't know how to say how do you say that meme
coin it that thing imploded and i didn't have that big of a bag probably like 50 bucks but
like you know what i'm saying it's it's shoot like so that's what i'm saying. It's okay to be hostile because of experience, but just keep a nice, respectful tone.
And honestly, new coins should expect a level of respectful hostility is what I like to call it.
Because the HBAR community has been through just so much, so many rugs and as I mentioned, even some utility projects.
So it's okay. It's okay to be a bit hostile in that sense.
But that's all I wanted to share, you know, and it's hard for me to share or promote any meme coins now.
And it's hard for me to share or promote any meme coins now.
It's really hard.
So, you know, I've slammed and I've fallen too hard too many times.
So it's hard.
But thank you guys.
That's all I wanted to share.
And real quick to what Saif was saying about, you know, being hostile in a way.
Well, Liam up here on stage with Impart was one of the most hurt people when it comes to the Angry Birds project themselves.
And he came up here and he asked a hard hitting question, but kept it respectful, kept it civil.
So I got to give him a shout out for, again, always treading these waters in a perfect manner that, you know, gets the point across without being an idiot or a douche.
So shout out to you, Liam.
And sorry for your loss, brother.
That was a shitty situation.
Thank you, bro.
Sorry just to jump in there.
I appreciate that.
And I also just want to clear up what you said.
You know, when I come up here and say things like, you know, certain people who are pretending to be the good guys, that can come a certain way i'm certainly not talking about anyone on stage i just want to clear that
up immediately and no one in the space but it's just something that i picked up and noticed so
please don't think that i'm speaking about anyone here i just want everyone to be absolutely clear
on that and shout out to you darula because what you've done as well is you've drawn attention to
a lot of founders who who who matter and who've made
a lot of effort over the years and certainly over the time that i've been here i've seen that from
you and it's it's amazing to see i wish that more people would give projects the support that you
give them so shout out right back to you bro that's really cool to see and you know sometimes
we might support people who end up rugging but like it comes from a good place and i think that's
what's important here.
RJ, welcome up on stage. This is the first time for you, I believe, right?
Yes, I usually don't enter into spaces,
but I'd like to say hello to all the room.
Hello, Duru, safe investor. i usually don't speak in spaces but i
think it's an obligation as a founder to actually come into spaces and speak to the community
uh i got a little project going it's called money train um we have uh well let me see
85% of the
liquidity is locked
we got our website up and running
it's pretty nice
we got a hold checker on our website
where you could
analyze
Hedera tokens
it's only in beta we're going to add more features to it
right now we just added voting you can vote for your favorite tokens we launched our nft
collection the nft collection it's a it's a multi multi nft so it's like like it'll be used as a utility for our earn and learn program, where people are going
to be able to watch videos, read paragraphs, take quizzes, and earn tokens. The NFT will enhance We made it with a rarity NFT so that it can be traded and collected.
But I went ahead and eliminated all the keys off the NFT too.
Our token doesn't have any keys.
When I made the token, I made it with 21,000 max supply, and then I took
20,000 of it and
added liquidity and locked it on DaVinci
for over a year.
We updated our token
on Dex Greener and
CoinGecko Terminal.
We're a small project.
We're self-funded.
Me and our full stack terminal. We're a small project. We're self-funded. Me
and our
full stack developer is
fully doxed on LinkedIn.
I mean, I think
it's an obligation to come on to Spaces
and actually
introduce
myself, introduce what I'm doing.
And if anybody's got
any questions, feel free to ask
well welcome uh ajay and thanks for sharing a little bit about money train
so where can people uh who um who are interested in getting involved uh find out more about money
train well you can find out you can read our white paper on our website it's also on the
on our on the profiles of money train in google docs or white paper you can find more information
on our websites we're on a lot of different platforms I want to start a onboarding campaign on TikTok.
I've been wanting to do this for a very long time
to onboard new users that know nothing about crypto
into Hedera.
Now, I went ahead and made a onboarding video.
It's on our website.
So that that average person
that doesn't know anything about crypto can actually.
I went step by step with Hatchpack.
I made it pretty simple so that they can onboard into the ecosystem.
I want to target Generation X specifically because as far as onboarding that demographic if you do statistics
they they're the richest demographic that we have now so and I want to try to onboard
generation X into Hedera is what the ultimate goal is. Awesome. I think that sounds great.
And I believe we don't do that enough.
I actually plan on looking into that a little bit more as well.
Going outside of X and vocabulary.
I never used TikTok, to be honest.
I don't even know what the app looks like myself.
But I know it's a great onboarding tool,
so it might make sense to do a little bit
with that as well um thanks for sharing uh some some things about money training feel free to
come up more often to talk about all sorts of stuff with the community um brandon join as well
i want to get to uh justin's um hand first you've got your hand up um where did you want to jump in
um hand first you've got your hand up um where did you want to jump in
yeah i wanted to go back to safe investor real quick i i just wanted to say and thank you for
the shout out um the only name that that i would add to that is lady h, my man. A very kind shout out. No, you're good. You're good.
You know, it kills me that you're like so disheartened and I get it.
Like it makes so much sense to me why you're, and I've known this.
You mentioned this a few months back too, that you're like, I don't want to put my name on anything. Like, everything keeps rugging, and, like, I really didn't know, and, like, you know, it's just...
I just wanted to give some words of encouragement of, like, dude, you've been around here forever.
We know who you are.
Like, don't let this stop you from continuing to build out your brand and continue to follow your passion of reviewing projects and shining
a light on things that are new to Hedera that you think are a value add for most people here.
You know, I just wanted to give you some words of encouragement. And yeah, RJ, it was great to
hear from you as well. I apologize for seemingly jumping right over everything you just said.
It was just my hand went up a little bit late, and it was in regards to SAFE.
Hey, thanks.
And real quick, in regards to RJ, his team has put up LinkedIn pages as a way to dox themselves.
So that is extremely rare for a meme job project to do.
So shout out to you for doing that.
I think transparency is very important.
And I also believe there's a huge difference
between a failed project and a rug project.
I think I'm old fashioned Hedera, I guess.
I've been here for a while.
Although I'm not in spaces all the time.
When I get in spaces, I don't speak very well.
But I think it's an obligation to jump in spaces as a founder.
I really do.
But you're doing fine, man.
You're doing great.
And the cool thing about spaces, we're doing them every week so don't feel the pressure of having to wrap your your project or do a fantastic
presentation because that's not what these spaces are about it's about
connecting human to human if you don't have anything new to share about your
project that's sometimes the best moment to jump on because you can just connect
relaxed in relaxed way with the others talk about their projects we talk about general stuff
um and um that way you'll you get more confident on on stage and uh and then at some point when
you do want to talk about your project it's easier uh than ever so feel free feel free to come up here anytime. More than welcome. And you were
doing great. So yeah, thanks for being here. Thank you very much. I really appreciate that.
Awesome. All right. Yeah, we've got Brendan up as well. And after that, I want to finally
toss up the topic I was going to discuss with you guys where I wanted to get some feedback on.
I already briefly touched on this with the ruler in a call.
I wanted to get some community feedback as well.
But first, we missed Brandon because it was a direct community call and you were wrapping SoftSwap, I believe, right?
Yeah, that's right.
We also had Patricia on there from Centex.
So it was a good call.
I enjoyed it.
Nice.
All right.
So what did you guys talk about?
I guess also about NFTs then, if Patricia was there.
Yeah, we got into all kinds of NFT stuff.
We pretty much went around all of DeFi.
Exciting stuff going on,
of course. You know I'm excited about the crossroads between DeFi and TradFi and everything
that's going on with Swarm. But yeah, exciting stuff going on just for tomorrow's show. I have
Dosa on, the founder of Dosa Fossil. I have an exclusive interview with Deloitte, who's doing
something very similar to what PWC is doing.
Got Rob back on for SharkBit to talk about heat.
And then, of course, I cover several other news things that are going on.
We have Stargate that obviously launched earlier this week.
And what's the other big thing?
Oh, and I go over some of the stuff around the Hedera ETF and the fast track that was just announced from the SEC yesterday
and all that kind of fun stuff.
Several other topics, but those are the big ones.
Oh, yeah, and Stargate and Swarm actually touched on...
Well, let me put it differently.
Stargate and Swarm, how do those announcements affect SOSPOP?
How do you tie them together?
I guess Stargate is somewhat more directly tied to SOSPOP,
what Swarm is doing maybe as well, I don't know.
Yeah, well, I mean, certainly Stargate,
it allows us to tap into $80 billion
worth of liquidity across other other networks.
And of course, the first one that came over was a version of wrapped ETH that's already
available on SaucerSwap.
And then Swarm is certainly further down the line.
But I do see a lot of potential for if they have figured out a construct to and it sounds
like they have to make assets, traditional assets,
stocks, bonds, and so forth, DeFi ready, where they can be provided in liquidity pools and
everything else. That's going to be huge. I'm actually going to, this is just off the top of
my head. I want to contact Swarm and talk to the leadership at SaucerSwap. I'm thinking about
getting like 100 shares of SPY and providing liquidity in
like an HBAR pair or something like that and make it native on Hedera because I think having as
many different assets across SaucerSwap and other DEXs in the Hedera space is important because you
want to be able to, if you want to shift and trade from, we have it already being able to go
into stablecoins, right? When you just want to exit the market, but stay in the DeFi space.
I think, you know, trades to be able to go into something like the SPY or a broad stock
market index makes an awful lot of sense.
So we'll see what happens with time.
But I'm going to contact the CEO of Swarm and the SaucerSwap leadership and see if I
can do that personally.
Nice. Looking forward to that one.
I mean, talking about this stuff,
did you imagine we'd be talking about this like two to three years ago?
And you really get a picture of what the future might look like or probably looks like.
And I'm really curious as to how we look back to these days,
like four or five years
from now. Yeah, I think I can't imagine talking about this 12 months ago, you know, one year ago,
I mean, and it really does put things like SaucerSwap in a position to compete with
the largest exchanges in the world. And people, all the people on this call are going to be more familiar
with providing liquidity and understand the benefits
and the incentives that go around that.
And we're going to be able to do that with all assets.
So doing that on SaucerSwap through something like Swarm only makes sense.
Definitely, definitely.
And I'm very curious as to what SaucerWAP actually looks like in a couple of years.
SalesforceWAP was actually what onboarded me to NFTs in the first place.
I got some, I participated in the I&O.
So, yeah, man, to see the future plans now makes me kind of proud to have been there from the start.
Permable, I see you're requesting the conversation as well, but unfortunately it's full.
I cannot get anyone else up.
I'll drop down for Permable.
I can certainly drop down as well.
Well, he's already up here, so I don't know what happened.
I think we have one space open up, but shout out to all the legends who offered to drop down for permable i i love the hbar community
before i dropped down thank you thank you to my list bro and also psyched sorry permable i forgot
to list you forgive it forgiven all right all right um yeah let's let's see. I get Joe up on stage again as well to discuss something. And after that, we will toss it to Permable. Thanks for joining us. guys know we have different tiers on the Kabila launchpad verification tiers so
there's the verified tier badge there's a featured and there's different
what's the word for it criteria you have to meet to get a certain verification or tiered batch.
Now we're looking to change this up because so far we did have a list of
basically accomplishments that project had to fulfill, which is having a roadmap,
having a certain amount of followers, being around for a certain amount of time.
But in the end, it was our own decision.
And we want to make this a collective decision together with the community.
So include the community in a new tier system.
So we're looking to change it up completely in V3.
So as you guys know, we'll be coming out with Kabbalah V3,
which will have some new things.
But we also want to change up this tier system
and include the community in that
so that it actually reflects community building.
And, you know, in this case,
the Bad Birds would still have probably gotten high tier
because there was a big community.
But it would be more clear
that it actually was a community's choice
and not our choice to start interacting and engaging.
And yeah, I think it's just a good thing to make that decentralized as well.
So the question is to everyone here on stage,
what should the different tiers reflect?
How do you see, this is a very open question,
how could you see this is a very open question how could you see this work
how do you want to see the community be
involved in
in such a thing
Peribu you have your hand up
so go ahead
thank you thank you
for bringing me up and whoever dropped down sorry about that
I'm going to be
very straight up there are going to be people
who agree and disagree uh first things first i've got no bias in terms of kabila syntax marketplaces
the only bias i have is you know from the own for my own things that i've built but there's nothing
you guys should or can do it's the same thing with mean job. Why is no one talking about?
What you call it?
Okay, why seeing for mean job? Well on pump from there's no there's no mean KYC
Yeah, there's rugs
Unfortunately rugs happen and this is the decentralized nature of crypto even though I've never stolen a single H bar
But it happens you can't ky okay let's say you kyc and an nft project rugged for what 5k 10k dollars okay
then what are you gonna um call the sec the sec to follow up on 10k there's nothing that can be done um in terms of i'll kind of bring up a dex
when you want to list a token maybe you have a dow you have bowen systems but that's listing
an already created project in my opinion uh kabila centex atlantis there's nothing you guys can do just like meme job pump fun uh because had there is
now getting an influx of retail we're gonna see more um scams there's gonna be more rugs
that unfortunately that's the game and again i've never rugged i've never supported a rug
so on and so forth but it happens i. I've been rugged so many times.
You just take the loss. There's nothing that can be done.
Unless you're taking millions, then maybe KYC will help
and maybe the government of where the country is.
One more example, sorry, I know I'm going off, but I saw a lot of tweets.
I didn't want to get engaged by tweets because people might you know attack you or take your opinion a bit differently
But Jordan Freed's how many millions did he rug?
He ran away and went to Israel nothing happened to him and now he's back tweeting about Hedera
There is especially when you're rugging for 510k. I know it's money. It's money from our pockets.
But no one's going to care that we got rugged by an NFT project.
There is nothing a launchpad can and should do.
It just depends on who buys in.
And that's my opinion.
And my opinion is not going to be changed.
Because this is decentralized.
Unfortunately, this stuff is going to happen.
And yeah. All right. stuff is going to happen.
Alright, that's an interesting take. I really want the panel to discuss this as I want to get as many opinions as possible,
so I won't reply to it myself.
I see Brendan and Joan with the hands up.
I think Brendan was first, so go ahead. Yeah, I mean, the one thing I do want to throw out there is people,
if they want a KYC for a project and they think that's going to make
the people that might be buying into the project more comfortable,
they're free to do that.
But, yeah, I don't think it certainly shouldn't be a requirement
or anything like that.
Perma, I do have a question.
Do you think that, you know, people get caught up in these things, you know, the bad birds or whatever?
Some of these projects are going to fail, right?
Some of them aren't going to be successful.
People that get caught up in this stuff or talk about it or post about it, do you think that they have some kind of a responsibility to, you know, if they got excited about a project and tweeted about it or
you know did something around it do you think they have a responsibility um as far as when
the team does rug or an individual on a team does rug when you have a voice in the community
you've got quite a bit of followers and a bit of influence definitely and that's why I I never really
support new projects unless I know the individual or the founder because people buy in because of me
I'm not trying to big myself up at all but I've got projects and
There's a reputation I need to uphold but when you're in the five figure followers and
uh you've been part of hedera and so on and so forth you can't be supporting every tom dick and
harry and then when it rugs you can't say oh well it wasn't my fault but you have the influence
unfortunately you have to be very careful when you have influence.
Those who are just community members and just, you know, shilling.
Yeah, you can't blame them because they're just supportive.
But again, if you have influence and the voice and people follow what you do,
yes, you have a major responsibility and being at fault.
All right, we're losing the topic here a little bit.
Joe, go ahead.
I think from the Launchpad side,
you can only do
what you can do.
You ask for
some minimum requirements.
You gather as much information
as you can, and then you let people do their launch.
Short of you saying, hey, you must go buy this. It's the best thing since sliced bread.
You're doing nothing wrong. I mean, you're there to provide a platform for people to launch something and other people to go get access to it. The pharmacy sells
pharmaceuticals and if you find those pharmaceuticals when they cause cancer
they don't go back to the pharmacy saying hey you sold this you're
responsible for it. That's that's kind of how I see it.
All right, right. Justin?
Yeah, I
might be reiterating some
information that I came across
incorrectly, but I believe
Centax recently, they came, they were provided
with certified
facts that there was a project
that was about to launch through them
that was of stolen art and they pulled that launch. I like that they did that. If I'm correct
about that, I believe that was what, yeah, my understanding of it was. I liked that. I liked
that, but it's a slippery slope. I'm definitely more towards Perm's opinion on this in that it's a very slippery slope of say, oh, I'm not going to list your token on our DEX.
You know what I mean? And there has to be, my opinion is there, if there can be certified, documented, 100% proven information that this project that's about to launch through your launch pad is of bad actors with stolen art.
And that there's receipts like extensive receipts for that, that that project should be at least for you know say your launch
pad don't launch them you know have a policy where like we do have the right to refuse
for whatever reason and then take very seriously
centralized here you know but definitely like make that syntax move where it was like look man this is like it's all
over the place all this art is stolen we're not launching this collection for y'all um so that's
kind of my opinion on it yeah yeah jayman spot on with that puno example right there that was massive
massive by syntax not even think about it you're out of here yeah. I just want to clarify that this is not a matter of minting or not minting.
The capital launchpad will remain a self-service launchpad,
so nothing changes there.
It's more a matter of sort of gamifying a tier system.
So, for example, again, back to the Puno example,
creating an X account, stealing some art,
and planning on launching in two days,
you would get no tier at all.
It's like it's self-service, fine.
You would be on the launchpad,
but everybody can see that you didn't prove anything there.
There's not necessarily a community yet or whatever.
Now, there can be things, there are things that can be done to create more trust.
And as Ben Boonji is saying, okay, we'll not launch straight away.
We understand that the community has been rocked recently.
We'll postpone.
We'll do some more community building.
So maybe you can go through a voting round
to get them into the third tier system.
Do some spaces, maybe docs.
There are different things you can think about
to get them to a second tier.
And eventually get to a... So let's say, well,
that pixels is all minted out now,
but we know the guys, we know the project.
For newcomers, it would help, I'd say,
if such a project with a new mint
could get the highest tier or earthlings, for example,
because you know what it's about
And people know okay. Well this this gets the the golden badge or the future tier
It's not that's not gonna say that I'm gonna make a profit on it, but I know I can trust these people
and a new project that
there has a lot of success and
Well, I will reference back to what Lando did with the Bad Birds.
Yes, he rocked, but he did an incredible job creating that community beforehand.
That will get a certain tier that's a bit higher, but he's still a new project and has yet to prove himself.
So there are ways to gamify that and and let the community be be a part of that
It's more more about that not so much about letting them launch or not because it will remain self-service
So I hope that's clear. Agba go ahead man
For sure bro, Neil that's definitely a really interesting topic. I want to touch on both, though. I'll start with the censorship or refusing projects to launch.
I do believe I am a big proponent of decentralization and non-censorship,
but I do believe every brand serves the right to project their own image.
own image and it reflects on the brand what they what they stand for you know if somebody is
And it reflects on the brand, what they stand for.
promoting racism or anti-semitism or hate through their collections or the tokens i feel like i
would rather be with a launchpad that stops that kind of messages rather than be with one that
allows it for the heck of non-censorship and yeah i i definitely uh shout out centex for uh cracking down on a known scam that
is just waiting to unfold but yeah uh on your topic evo like i feel like there's just so much
you can do to gamify it and to make it fun for sure um yeah like you said if puno comes in uh
with stolen artwork it doesn't have to be no tier. There could be a red flag tier as well because you're a self-service launch pad.
You're allowing everybody to launch.
Then, yeah, you could mark some collections as fairly risky.
Also, in terms of gamification and getting the community involved,
I feel like there could be a way where you could kind of
goal check wallets on Kabila,
known wallets of known community
members and allow them to
upvote on new
launches and stuff, upvote or downvote.
That could allow these projects to
climb up a tier or go down
a tier in whatever tier list
you're thinking. That's one way I can definitely
think where...
Oh no, we're just loose, Akbar. thinking that's one way I can definitely think where oh no that would just lose a couple remember wallets
oh I'm sorry can you hear me yeah yeah I can hear you again okay where did you
lose me you okay you were just starting to talk about wallets.
Yeah, exactly.
So, yeah, if you have some known community member wallets or trusted wallets
that you allow to upvote and downvote on projects,
that could be a great way to gamify it as well as involve the community members
or some holders of some Kabila tokens or in whatever way you want to
Gateway it, you know to trusted people. Yeah, exactly because Sausage swap has the has of course for for new pools liquidity pools
It left to vote using the sauce token. I do like the idea of including
trusted and known community members
unknown community members um and not having them um need any kbl for that i also like
And not having them
using kbl okay nice nice suggestions here i think permable had his hand up now uh first so go ahead
no no rj was actually before me ah okay well thanks for that rj go ahead
okay so i'm gonna have to jump off here.
I got a meeting to go to.
But just talk about that subject for a second.
I think several tiers on an NFT platform for verification would be wonderful.
But I think one of the tiers would be, like, time-tested, right?
So, like, like Ghost ghosts they've been around forever i mean that's that's a given you see what i'm getting at so be like time tier i did send an application with you
guys for kyc i think but um i didn't want to just jump off the spaces you know i wanted to say goodbye to everybody i have
to get off of here i have a meeting i have to go to so it's been a pleasure i usually don't
jump in spaces but it's been a pleasure uh thank you everyone thank you likewise rj and uh see
you next week hopefully or otherwise a week after that have a good meeting all right permable now now's your turn
um again uh this whole conversation is just different opinions uh and in my opinion i think you'll be pushing away projects from launching on your platform because uh let's
say i'm launching i don't want to be going through tears i'm legit but why would i want to bother
going through tears if i can just go launch on another platform
again I'm not biased here if I was I will tell you go do it and let the other two launch pads
benefit but coming from a d-gen and someone who used to trade nfts non-stop and tokens it's just
gonna push you guys or push people away from you guys. Unfortunately, look, the thing is with NFTs, they are literally meme coins, but with art.
I know it might be kind of weird to understand it that way, but they're both the same thing.
The only thing different is that NFTs are illiquid for now.
But it's the same thing.
It's like meme drop.
Like I said meme job pump fun
all these launch pads that launch tokens
they're not gonna put tiers or KYC
you can put KYC
maybe it will reduce
it will have people a bit fearful
but it will be an option
do you want a KYC do you not
or maybe if they're minting a large amount
of a collection let's say over 1000
you'll have them KYC because then they will
be getting more funds but I know you guys are getting a bit of heat and talk in terms of Kabila
but it's normal you're gonna get heat when projects rug they're gonna be blaming the
launchpad or that's not how it works I don't think you guys need to worry too much about what is being said, unfortunately.
Again, we're all against ruggers here.
it is what it is.
And putting
barriers and obstacles and hurdles
in front of projects,
why would I do that? I would just go with
Suntex or Atlantis. And that's just
me being very open and honest.
And again, just my opinion.
Yeah, and always thanks for sharing that open and honest opinion.
Lenny, go ahead, man.
Yeah, thanks.
Just a quick point on that.
Totally understand the idea where you could just go to Centex or Atlantis.
You don't have any kind of a tier system.
And I wouldn't say it's anything that should be required per se,
but I think it is an optional thing that could be like could do hypothetically just
to add that element of trust that people can provide at a different level um I mean I think
there's a lot of potential benefits to having that on there just as like as a standardized way to gauge trust and just like
have that as an element and like whether people want to dox or not then people can know and like
it just gives them and i totally understand your point permable like not everybody who's
undocked is going to rug um but it does add that element of trust that or it could add that element of trust
i should say uh if people want to like opt for that as a creator to just add that element
devil's advocate here um let's say i want a rug i'm like okay if i actually take this option kyc
give all the information go through the the tears or people are gonna be more likely to buy
so it could be manipulated as well and again
devil's advocate
sure yeah it could be manipulated but I think
it would be like something that would
at least make people think
twice before regging
Darula well that's the thing
yeah that's the thing from a bull I don't really
think Kabila is getting that heat that people might think they're getting. I think Kabila is trying to be a little bit more
proactive and just kind of, uh, they're not doing it because they're getting the heat. I think
they're just doing it a little bit more to be proactive and show good faith. Hey, maybe we can
implement a few things to avoid a few more rocks coming up. And it's not a necessity for you to
do certain things to launch with Kabila. It's an option if a if a project feels attacked if a project feels like okay we're
getting a lot of scrutiny well we can opt to do a launch this way to put people more at ease like
you were saying with the kyc hey people don't trust us well fuck it let's just go kyc and maybe
they'll trust us more to actually uh mint with. So that's an option that should be available,
but shouldn't be required from projects.
And I don't think Kabila is going to require anything,
but they're just giving you the option to opt in to do something a little
bit more to gain the trust of the community if you're getting scrutinized.
So I don't think that's exactly what they're doing.
And it's not going to be a requirement.
You have to go through all these hurdles and speed bumps to be able to launch if it could be that they're just giving you an option
hey this is what you can do to gain more trust in the community if you are getting some scrutiny
so i think that's a really good system to put in place if it's going to be implemented properly
i like that additional tears yeah well and and that's the thing. You mentioned the system being played. That's exactly why
I wanted to discuss this with you guys, because that's the whole thing. It's easy to
implement tiers and have some criteria that founders have to meet before getting a certain tier.
The hard thing is having the right criteria.
It shouldn't be work for people who have already put in the work to, I don't know,
fill in forms or whatever that people can play, that sort of bad actors can put in that work
as well and get the same tier system. It would, so for you example,
if you've been around for years on Hedera
and you have your existing communities
and you've proven to be legit,
then the work you've put in the past couple of years
should put you through the criteria automatically
without going through extra hassle um that that should be the thing um and it should be a way for you
to distinguish yourself from the newcomers so that new people are looking to buy nfts actually
can actually see hey these guys have this best this tier so, so this means, and I like what RJ said, it's a time thing as well,
because everybody asks, what can I do to,
sometimes I blatantly get the question,
how can I hype up my sale, how can I hype up my NFT collection?
Well, I don't know, that's not really,
I know how it works, and it's pretty simple,
you network, you build community, you make friends, you take an interest in what others are doing,
but it takes time. It takes at least a couple of months to show the community that you mean it,
that you want to be here and that you'll stick around. So that might be a factor as well.
And I think Brandon put his hand up first here.
So feel free to jump in.
Yeah, I mean, the main thing I mean around,
I do understand that being reluctant to add YC
and the DGEN culture is something that you,
people would push back on.
I get that, you know, but it's up to Kabila
if they think it's gonna be beneficial for their customers. I really don't have a dog in that hunt, but I do want to kind of
define what a rug is. I think the word is thrown around an awful lot, and sometimes it's just a
token that goes down or isn't successful,
and that's going to happen all the time.
There's a big difference between that and unbeknownst to your community,
pulling a bunch of liquidity.
That's clearly what happened with Bad Birds.
That's clearly what happened with Ivy.
Writing a letter and explaining that you're going to step away from a project,
I have no problem with that at all.
But before putting that letter out, removing all the liquidity, that is a problem.
And, you know, there's one of the most successful meme coins out there, period.
Their founder walked away from it a long time ago.
And you should give your community the ability, if they want to continue on with a project, to do so.
And the important thing around that is not removing the liquidity.
Leave it in there.
Make sure that you still try to manage that market the best you can to not hurt the community that has given you support in one way or the other.
But there's going to be a lot of projects that just fail and people have to move on with their lives and things like that.
And they're not all rugs that's for sure um there's a lot of projects that are down
significantly that they have very dedicated teams still behind them and they could still
be huge successes so uh i think it is important to define you know what a rug is because the word
is thrown around an awful lot i fully agree with that. There are projects that just fail,
and that's completely normal,
and it depends on how you leave things behind.
Permable, I saw your hand.
I just want to toss it to Nick first
because I already thought he had his hand up before,
and then it was down,
and he didn't have the spotlight.
He hasn't had the spotlight, I don't know,
a bunch so far.
So Nick, go ahead,
and then after that we'll toss it to Permable. Yeah, I just know a bunch so far so nick go ahead and then after that we'll what
was it to permable yeah i i just uh i love the suggestions so far like to gamify things what i
would also recommend is like kyc only goes so far you know the the best kyc that we have is the time
that people spend in the community so you know more than filling out a form, I think it just the most important thing to do is engage with folks, you know, build that build that rapport.
No one's going to be like, you know, it's so hard to know who who someone really is.
It's better to look at the the record that they have on chain.
But also, you know, I think that there should be another tier in the multisig, too, because it's it's one thing.
the multi-sig too because it's it's one thing to like i was gonna say that go ahead go ahead
I was going to say that. Go ahead. Go ahead.
yeah well so the multi-sig it's one thing to have a team of people who are holding multi-sig
but it's another thing to have the multi-sig be really decentralized because then then you don't
have to worry so much about trusting one person you just have to worry about trusting the majority
of people who are holding that so you know multi know, multi-sig, you know, is one solution, but community-held multi-sig is really the, that's the gold standard
that will help keep people's funds protected. If people we know are holding the keys and,
you know, even if a project is new, connecting with people in the community, giving them a key to the treasury. There is no bigger show of commitment and also dedication to the principles that bring
us here than if people are willing to decentralize the keys to the project and really make sure
that it's rug proof.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
Joey, go ahead. Hey, this is great. I've got a jump,
I've got a space starting with Ricky and Memejob in three minutes. You guys hang out, but please,
please come over. We'll continue this conversation over on that space when this one wraps up.
I think that's a great idea because I have to leave in a bit as well.
Lenny, did you want to jump in there too?
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, that's funny.
I was actually going to say I got to go too.
I got a meeting in two minutes.
But I did want to just say in terms of like a rug versus a failed project,
like look to see if like the community and the dev are using DaVinci or DaVinci Graph
versus just a trust me bro wallet.
That's one of the things I always look forward to.
And yeah, just check for that for sure.
And time on DaVinci.
A lot of people claim lots and they're locked up for 20, 30 days.
That's not a real lot.
Yep.
Yep.
I understand.
I think this is a perfect topic to continue in the meme job space because it's about the
also about tokens locking up liquidity multi-sigs um i got my own thoughts around that uh but i don't have the time to comment on that anymore i'll listen in on the meme job space where
hopefully you guys continue the conversation as i prepare myself to leave the house but i do want to
as I prepare myself to leave the house,
but I do want to get to the latest,
the last hand.
Permable, go ahead.
Again,
I'm not stubborn,
so my opinion can always change.
That's a great idea.
Hire an ambassador
from the community that is trusted.
One guy from the Kabila team,
and then you have the owner from the project launching
they fill out a form okay 10 goes to marketing this percent goes to this and whatnot and throw
the funds into a multi-sig when they want to take out funds for marketing all three sign it or two
out of three sign it and i think that's the best solution um if people want to go that route but i
think that's a great solution
yeah i feel like the community multi-sig is a very very long shot although ideal but like you said
like why would a project decide to give over so much of the rights
to the community right like they could always turn on you sometimes community call projects rugs when
they're not even rugging when they already delivered on the all the promises so it's going
to be difficult as well and in the current scenario that you just mentioned, with three people, with a fixed roadmap, then the question will arise when there is a need for a change in roadmap.
Because, yeah, what if you want to up the marketing spends?
Then you have to get all the people on board and it becomes their decision as well.
It's not just the founder's decision anymore.
So, yeah, there's all kinds of loopholes.
But it's good to have that option, you know. If somebody wants to go but it's it's good to have that option you know
if somebody wants to go that route it's good to have that option and it'll definitely give more
credibility to the project if they do that so if any project thinks that they want to go that route
then why not you know like it's definitely a great option to have but will a lot of projects
choose to do it uh i'm not sure um and also, I want to touch on something that Nick said and Liam said
as well. The community proof, the proof that you get from being in the community, that can always
fail you as well. You know, like there are people you can trust, but there are professional scammers
who know how to smooth talk their way up in communities hearts and uh yeah we've been here for years i
know nick has to permeable the ruler brandon as well we have seen people who are who became
our friends on spaces uh they stole from us and right did he run away hbar influencer
Did he rug?
In a way, HBAR influencer.
Rugged the community through warsome visits.
There have been countless cases of people who we trusted
and were our friends who have rugged us and scammed us.
So, yeah, we can, we always got to know this is a wild, wild place to be.
And anybody could turn on us and appreciate everybody in here who doesn't you
know and some people you can definitely tell you know some people who you have met and have spent
time with you can tell that oh these are our friends and i hope they don't freaking turn on
me you know because that'd be a personal attack as well but yeah it's like it's really wild over
here anybody could turn on you so definitely
be careful and it's all love for sure but yeah it hurts when friends and
people you trusted so much turn on you and end up being scammers that's kind of
that was one of the things when I was talking to permable there people hold me
to an awful high standard like it's hard to figure out rugs I try to cover you
know a lot of stuff that's happening in the ecosystem.
And it can be tough to know when something's going to become a rug.
I mean, the Bad Birds, it felt like a news story, right?
You had a really successful mint.
It seemed like they weren't raising any red flags to me, so I wanted to cover it.
But yeah, either way.
Yeah, and this is where I want to close up the space as well, because I have to be on the football field in 27 minutes.
I still have to eat and everything.
And it's been a two-hour space, which is amazing.
But I want to quickly comment on that, because, Brandon, yeah, I mean, you have people hold you to a high standard and are not easily satisfied with the decisions that you make.
I even saw some posts saying, look, bad birds rocked.
And Brandon was talking about them.
And it's so unfair.
I mean, the whole HBR community was buzzing around the birds, talking about them.
We engaged with them as well.
And, you know, if you don't,
then people will judge you for not engaging enough
with the retail ecosystem and being too corporate.
Now you try to connect with that retail ecosystem
and have some fun with HBRNFT as well.
And, well, it bites you in the ass and uh
well we experienced the same thing um we can choose to not talk about any launches on the
platform but that wouldn't help the hbrand ft system either so um yeah just keep doing what
you're doing and um there's all there will always be people that disagree with decisions that you make but in the end um yeah it's um you're doing this you're making this content
um for well from your own motivation and people like it otherwise you wouldn't have been around
still so um yeah really appreciate everything that you're doing and i love the fact
that you've got um those uh on uh with fossil tomorrow i think that's uh that's something
people are really looking forward to and um yeah i've i i don't know did you already record the
uh the interview because i know fossils is a great speaker so yeah yeah he did a great job
um it's uh already in the hbar bull world but it'll be
out tomorrow publicly um it'll be in the the show and then i'll post it independently next week
awesome perfect all right looking forward to that one and uh yeah i'm gonna close it off here thanks
everybody for for for shipping in tuning in um jumping in sharing your thoughts and your opinions.
Everything goes as long as it's family friendly and polite.
This was the first time today
that I had to kick someone off stage.
I don't know if you were here for a random,
but I don't know, someone started shouting
and it was a mess.
But yeah, he only got three seconds of screen time
and then he was gone.
It was pretty fun, actually.
But thanks to everybody else for having a decent conversation.
This is what these spaces are about.
Really happy with all the different opinions.
Thanks to all the other guys and girls for tuning in, listening in.
And yeah, for you goes as well if you ever want
to join the conversation up on stage feel free to do so uh or if you don't want that but you do
have something to add to the conversation you can always leave it in the comments and we'll
we'll pick it up um so yeah have a great rest of your day enjoy the friday tomorrow happy fridays
eve as lenny would say
and then have an awesome weekend and we'll see you guys next week who knows what we'll
be talking about a week from now all right that's it we can play the outro because
ekpar is also still here two hours in epic see you guys
i guess that quiet isn't there though. Just missed him.
Alright, I'm just gonna close up the space.
Later bye. Thank you.
