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HBAR Open Mic! 🎙️🟢
Recorded: Jan. 22, 2026 Duration: 1:07:03Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, key updates emerged from the Hedera ecosystem, including a strategic partnership with McLaren Racing for digital collectibles, the launch of new NFT projects, and significant growth in HBAR holdings within an ETF, reflecting a vibrant and evolving crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
Thank you. See what? Thank you. so Thank you. Thank you.音楽 All right then, thank you Ekpa for the lovely intro.
Welcome back everybody, I hope you're all doing well.
Welcome back to Kaby Plaza, the HBAR open mic.
We host these spaces every week for the HBAR community to connect,
to discuss news, get a pause in the ecosystem,
and to spotlight HBAR builders and creators.
And we'll be doing so today as well.
And this is episode 149.
So almost time for episode 150. I seeing some some legends in the space already
aside from the co-hosts uh we've got the ruler welcome today uh katie peace chris italian jedi
good to see you as well i hope you're doing well uh owen and saucy girl welcome everybody
uh let's get some more people in here so make make sure to like the space, repost it, leave a comment. And that comment, that can be anything you want. So maybe you want to share some information. Maybe you have some questions for me, Kabila, maybe for Earthlings, Saucerswap or Brandon the HBURB for news.
Sausage Swap or Brandon the HBAR Bull for news.
Equa knows everything that's going on in the NFT ecosystem
and all the retail space in general.
So any questions, feel free to either come up on stage
or to ask them in the comment section.
So, yeah, that being said, welcome, Patrick.
And I'm seeing Starboy and Believe Insp believe inspire grow welcome to the both of you
patrick how is your day going or is this joe actually because yeah oh i just just in time
yeah the pet i forgot about the pet yes yes he's he's out taking care of um furry family members so I get to be him and distract and go sideways all I want today
so I'll just jump in and get crazy in a little bit. Yeah yeah that's your that's your role now
distract when when possible and make sure we talk as little as possible about web 3 crypto um
yeah mostly unrelated things uh and we'll be uh trying to um i don't know keep it down but uh now
i know feel free to go sideways and uh do you actually know if if is still attending afterwards, or will he be gone for the...
I don't know.
He didn't tell me he'd be back,
so I think it's just me monitoring this.
Let's go sideways.
Monitoring this ice and snowstorm about to come across the U.S.
And he gives it the weather.
Bearing down on us oh yeah monitoring the situation that's uh
that's a new thing hey uh with the prediction markets uh how was your day going yo what's good
Yo, what's good?
Neo, Joe, Brandon, Jordan, all the beautiful people in the freaking space.
Yeah, I'm having a nice day.
During the rounds, getting some work done.
IRL, getting some crypto work done as well.
Feeling good, feeling blessed to be alive.
Yeah, all good.
All good at my end.
We're competing right now with another space by CryptoWits.
They're hosting two of our very own, the Hashback Wallet team and the Gib team is up there speaking.
So yeah, that's a cross-chain space.
Just went and threw a like and repost over there as well just to make sure.
And throw a comment in there about HBAR, you know, like let's make some noise. Let's get the world to know that oh hbar is big and hbar is here and popping uh yeah uh
but yeah i'm here i'm here in this space uh gonna throw my account in there but not gonna listen in
might turn into the recording later but yeah this is where the community is at this is the hbar
open mic once a week every thursday
let's let's freaking get the show rolling
nice i didn't know about the space uh but it's good to have uh multiple hbar spaces going on
and nothing wrong with that so um yeah brand, how are you doing?
Good. Just gearing up for the show tomorrow.
There's been plenty of stuff coming out around Hedera with them at Davos.
We have stuff coming out from the council members.
We have Tata Communications.
We have Dell putting out a paper with something that they're doing on Hedera, which we've known about for a little bit,
but also really excited about some of the stuff we're seeing around HBR,
the Hedera HBAR-backed ETF. for a little bit, but also really excited about some of the stuff we're seeing around HBR, the
Hedera HBAR-backed ETF. Also, what was it? SealCoin put out something just kind of explaining their autonomous stuff. So I put together a little graphic, a little animation around what they're
talking about there. So good stuff all around. Definitely. And've got the the mingo news as well
so maybe we can touch on that um i should have invited them today i'm sorry i should have had
them come on because i had them on monday uh in a space and i'm sure they'd love to come on so
why don't we touch base with them for uh for next week definitely. I've actually been in contact with them
and we're meeting next week.
But I forgot to invite them to the space as well.
I saw they reposted the post when I scheduled this space.
So I actually thought that maybe they were planning on attending.
But we'll see.
And yeah, I can definitely ask Killian or Jason to
attend next week because it's pretty
interesting what they're doing. And yeah, I'd love
to hear from them and also share that with the
community because it's a cool
use case event ticketing.
All right, Jordan, go ahead, man. How's your day going?
What's up, guys?
Yeah, just wrapping up a workout here.
I was in stone space earlier so i guess
yeah there's three spaces going on right now that are pretty hedera centric uh stone does his
h bar spaces every thursday because thursday has an h in the weekday name right so um it's fitting
so i was in there uh jman's in there for charities in there uh So I was in there. J-Man's in there. Charity's in there.
Psyched was in there. A bunch of people in there spreading the good word.
And yeah, it's really good to see.
Did you guys already touch on the McLaren news? I'm sorry. I was running a little bit late.
Win McLaren. Holy shit.
Yeah, just dropped. Excuse my French, but wow.
So we don't say, in Hedera, we don't say in hedera we don't say
win lambo anymore right yeah lambos are out of fashion let's freaking know
but yeah um when i woke up i thought i was still dreaming when i saw that i was like are you kidding
i had to do like a triple take and then saw that basically the inside you put it up on the mega
board so uh or jumbotron or actually could be the joe what do you guys call it in this space
is there like a i like mega board better than jumbotron and we had an entire hour dedicated
to why in dj and hours and i was sold fair enough i just want to make sure being respectful to you
guys and not like calling it you know a jumbotron or something if that like offends you because i
know certain people that that strikes you know that hits their heart in a in a very sore way
i'm not sure why but i just want to be respectful you know so uh so yeah so check out the megaboard
if you guys haven't seen that news um i've been an F1 fan for a few years now.
I kind of got sucked in after one of my best friends told me about it.
And I don't know why I didn't get into it sooner.
Like this last season, I got up and was watching every race,
or I'd watch it after the fact and have it recorded,
try to not go on X because I'd have all these spoilers if I do.
It's really a lot of fun.
If you guys haven't checked out F1,
there's also going to be live F1 in Hederacon in Miami in a few months.
So that makes all the F1 stuff that we're talking about before.
It's a lot more applicable.
Probably going to have a lot more H-Ribarians at the actual F1 race.
I wasn't going to be looking into tickets until I heard this news,
and now I'm actually going to look into it.
Isn't it funny how when something's done on Hedera,
you all of a sudden become a fan?
No, it's great news.
We're going to get some Hedera branding on the drivers themselves,
on the cars, all that kind of fun stuff.
The car unveiling is February 9th, if anybody wants to know.
Very cool. Very cool. Yeah. And then they're going to have they're going to have different kinds of,
you know, fan engagement, leveraging Hedare. They're going to start off with collectibles.
So, of course, that's going to be NFTs that are going to be free for each event.
But, you know, when you start off with that, you know, you might not think much of it because it's free.
But if you don't get them right off the bat and you don't have the full collection, you know, that that can be an issue.
So I'm definitely going to get in on that.
And, you know, we can do all kinds of stuff with Kabila with, you know, putting together the full collections and things like that for sales of the sales of the NFTs on, on the, um,
on the platform and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Please God, let us be able to put the NFTs, um, in our Kabila or Ashpack wallet.
Please God. Yeah. We're going to work on them. I'll make sure.
Yeah. We, um, okay. So this is some, some alpha alpha, but, um,
we'll be actually working with McLaren to...
How long have you known this?
I don't know, a while.
But I thought that they'd be announcing it during the F1 in Miami, which...
Well, I don't know. I thought it was kind of...
Is that why you're going to miami
no well they probably have to have that car unveiling right so they kind of have to
have to announce it or people are going to be wondering what's that hedera logo doing on there
yeah i know exactly and i was thinking okay a little chance that they know about this now
and they'll be waiting a couple months to announce it um You know, it's not like I'm at the top of the chain.
So if I hear things, then a lot of people know it already.
So I've got no illusions in that sense.
Okay, but I'm interested to know and unpack you.
You said you're going to be working with them.
What's exactly going on, dude?
That's going to be interesting.
Because I see that they're doing some online fan interactions and interactive stuff yeah what's going on
brother yeah no I have to check in with my specific but no no no for now it's
just I don't know if you guys remember that for Hederacon, we had this fun little idea to make a picture, make it an NFT, send it to your wallet.
And it was, I don't know, we came up with it a couple of days before and we did it with Figma and it was just all manually.
But this time we'll be doing something similar.
Like NBA Top Shots, but for McLaren race cars at F1?
I have no idea what NBA Top Shot is.
It's live action NFTs from NBA games.
Oh, yeah, I guess something like that.
But it will be automated.
So it's not like you have to set up your wallet manually
and then send us your wallet ID
and we're creating the NFT and then sending it to you.
It will be an automated process,
so it will be much smoother.
Yeah, but it will be a fun thing.
It's wild.
And it's only going to be available to people
at the races in person is that what
i heard brandon or who was saying that oh i i i was just reading it from the press release and
of course i just got rid of it but um here i'll bring it up and i'll let you know what they say
awesome thank you yeah i'm really intrigued now. So just a heads up for people in
the US, I know that MasterCard is partnered with McLaren, but for F1 as a whole, some American
Express cards get you discounts, benefits, and access that you can't get anywhere else through F1.
So I might jump on that and maybe come in early Sunday morning
and go straight to the racetrack with a backpack
or probably won't allow that.
So come in late Saturday night, get a hotel room,
and then go to the racetrack.
All right.
So I have it up here now.
It says,
The partnership will connect real-world racing environments with Web3 infrastructure to deliver new fan engagement experiences and officially licensed digital activations.
And then it goes on to say,
And it goes on to say, McLaren Racing's first use case on Hedera will be a digital collectibles program.
Fans should look forward to a series of free-to-claim collectibles released during F1 Grand Prix weekends.
Additionally, the partnership with Hedera will mark the exciting return of Arrow McLaren IndyCar digital collectibles for the 2026 season.
So there you go. IndyCar digital collectibles for the 2026 season.
So there you go.
Yeah, so that's actually separate. So the McLaren NFT collection is not what I was talking about.
I was talking about some NFTs
when you were part of the event and you were there.
So I'm not sure if they'll be setting up their own collection. And I have no idea how well-versed their marketing guys are
in Web3 at the moment.
But at least for the event itself
and whatever's happening on that day,
we'll be providing them the tech support and the tools that they need.
I would strongly suggest that you suggest that you go to all of the races on the circuit
with McLaren as an advisor and key figure uh figure from hedera nfts i'm going ahead and put that out there
on record yeah i don't know how else you'd be able to create the nfts unless you were there
in person for all the races like that has to be part of it yeah you're right you're right. You're right. Maybe we can sell them that. That'd be cool.
I'm not the biggest F1 car pass by in real speed.
Like on the TV, it's always different,
but seeing that car pass by on the circuit.
I went in Nashville when they were doing testing before the race,
and it is absolutely insane.
We were on the wall, so probably I could have thrown a piece of chewing gum and hit the car when it was
going by it's the craziest thing and i've been to probably 50 nascar races and been in the pits and
f1's just a different monster it's literally a jet without wings
actually it has wings these wings hold it down instead of making it fly
can you even like talk to the people next to you when the cars pass by or is it just so loud that
it's just like completely deafening all the cars have gotten a lot quieter it's like um i don't
want i don't want to do it because it's a recorded space. It's like a whine and it just sounds fast.
Just do it.
I'll delete this part.
No, no, no.
But it's, I mean, when they're going by, you're not going to have a full conversation.
So what most fans do for NASCAR or F1 is you'll wear a headset so you can listen to what's going on.
Otherwise it's tough to keep up with and you can't hear anything anyway.
Yeah, that totally makes sense. Do they have like screens on like near the,
in the fans so you can actually see what's going on?
So there's a couple of fan zone experiences. And if I'm definitely going, I'll get with you and some other people and see how many tickets I can get.
But there's an MX section that's more like a tailgate with screens.
And you can walk over and watch the race.
So it's not as much for like diehard.
I want to see all of the action race fans.
It's more for like us, the casual fans that really like the experience.
You can catch up on the race watching the big screens.
And then you can also see a portion of the track.
And I think those were less than I thought they would be.
It's still like just to get in the races a couple hundred
bucks. I think this experience was like 300 bucks or something.
Oh, that's not bad at all. I mean, the first time I looked at F1 race tickets was when they first
went to Vegas and I was like immediately priced out. Yeah. I was surprised because Miami was like
that the first couple of times. And I was surprised because miami was like that the first first
couple times and i was surprised at the prices and i don't know if it's just an mx promotion and
i haven't checked in a few weeks to see if they're still available i might just go ahead and lock
some down but um yeah it was it's less expensive than going to um xrp ve Vegas just to walk around. So I was pleasantly surprised with the pricing
and the fan participation events that they have set up
seem pretty good.
I'm not seeing a repost or a post by McLaren,
so I was actually hoping for that.
Well, it doesn't seem like they will amplify the announcement.
Will there be on the car?
Is that known?
Yes, it is going to be on the car.
That's the way they made it sound.
Like it was like one of the top sponsorships.
So what the little stickers are, are called contingency sponsors.
My buddy does all of those for all of the NASCARs.
So a lot of times you can be a main sponsor but not have the biggest logo on the car.
It just means you're specifically sponsoring that car. these sponsors, a lot of brands will sponsor multiple cars and get bulk marketing spread
across with smaller stickers. So I'm assuming F1 works in a similar fashion. If you look at the
nose of an F1 car, you can see like six or seven logos. And those are typically your contingency
sponsors. It looks like MasterCard is the main sponsor, but I was going to read this before, but I
might as well do it since it came up.
But it says Hedera branding will feature on the McLaren MasterCard Formula One team car
as well as driver race suits.
It will also feature on the number six and number seven Aero McLaren Chevrolets and
Aero McLaren team kit.
I don't know what the the six and seven
mclaren chevrolet's are but maybe somebody could explain it i've got no clue either um i was trying
to pin the rulers comment on the in the on the megaboard slash Jumbotron. He's fully ready for this partnership.
But here I am again, not being able to figure out how to pin it to the board.
I got you, Neil.
I'll get it up there.
If we like to speculate, this could be putting us in bed with Master mastercard right i noticed that too mastercard's
the main sponsor they would definitely have a say in who the um next top sponsors are but i've
thought by all accounts on x and everywhere else in the world the xrp on mastercard and
oh yeah baby well yeah i don't know because i mean
this is good getting next to them here also at the usa house in um davos uh the same level of
sponsorship as hedera right next to it was mastercard so yeah we're showing up next to him a lot
yeah what's the lambo anyway they don't even have a Formula 1 racing team. So, McLaren's
are the cars to have. Yeah, by the way, oh yeah, go ahead, Jordan.
Oh, sorry, I was going to say really quickly, I'm looking at the Kabila logo. I think that
would look fantastic. It fits almost perfectly on like the
edges and like just like the shape of the f1 car i'm just looking at it from a distance like
i don't know wait you mean the actual the actual logo like the yeah yeah like the the x with the
dot and stuff like just imagine like you know the the crossway of like the front of an f1 car yeah what's it called again
um they introduced it a couple years ago somebody has to know i can't remember the thing that's on
the front joe um i don't know i should know but i don't it's not just like the wing right
yeah but i think it's got a specific name. Yeah.
Yeah, it's not a wing. It's protection for flying bars,
et cetera. Oh, you're talking about the guard
on the front? Yeah, yeah.
Ah, anyway.
But yeah, that would
fit, like, right. I see what you're saying.
I was picturing something different
near the front wing,
but that also, I mean, maybe there's multiple placements right where cabula looks it could yeah the cabula
logo could fit perfectly on an f1 car so you know food for that yeah i'm pretty sure that for now
for now it's not in the budget but who knows maybe uh maybe after a proper all season and nft season
um yeah and uh amen we're working on on quite some stuff
uh behind the scenes and i know this is uh very cliche to say in web3 like uh you know soon this
and that and we're working uh we're cooking bob yeah we really are so um i'm hoping to be able to share a lot of that soon.
Well, one thing that is already known, of course, is the Kabila V3.
Yeah, some delay in that, but we're almost finished.
So that's one.
And then, yeah, there's some more news coming later on.
And I think we'll be ready to share that in hopefully like a month.
It's a big step for a big turn for Kabila.
So yeah, excited to be able to share that with you guys as well.
But it'll have to wait a little bit.
And I guess that's not the worst thing.
Because right now might not be the best time in the market to announce stuff so we'll just keep
our head down keep building and and wait for for better days yeah that being said i see i'm seeing
some some new people in the space as well rebecca it's always great to see you uh gawky hair as well
is gawky a word does anybody know that or is it just a name?
All right. I've known her for four years but did not dive into the origins of her name.
And now you got me curious. Her?
Yeah, Gawki Herr is a female.
Ah, okay. Yeah, I didn't know. Yeah. No, I was just reading it, Gawky Hair, and I was like, oh.
I always pronounce it as Gawky Hair for some reason,
and now I wanted to pronounce it, so I was like, oh, what's actually the word that's there?
And it's Gawky Hair, and I was like, okay, what is Gawky?
No clue, but all right, Celestial Being, good to see you as well.
KM Friend, Wisnet, Rorch, and uh brandon bloom welcome guys again if you have anything to um
add to the conversation or to ask feel free to do so um yeah i wanted to um switch the conversation to tata communications as well because i believe that today, oh, no, not today, a couple of days ago, on Monday,
Ryan from Genfinity released the full interview with,
I can't remember who, but with Tata Communications
regarding their use case.
Did anybody take the time to watch that?
did anybody take the time to watch that you know i did
You know I did.
yeah nice i was hoping uh i hope on that um anything you can share about that was interesting
yeah absolutely well it's a use case that they've been they've known that
dlt was perfect for for a long time and that's a settlement of roaming charges between different telecommunications companies and service providers and it
looks like they've talk talk communications has put together a
platform to facilitate that now in the interview they say that they're working
with the Hedera layer 2 and layer three. That's not exactly right. The layer
two, they're referring to the services that are on top of Hedera and they use both the tokenization
service and the consensus service for it. They already have their 1300 suppliers that are
signed up and ready to go. They're also working with another one of the Hedera Council members on this, Zane.
I did get some feedback from some people that know, and even though everything's put together
and they have done some interactions with the different suppliers, it has not scaled
to where it is going to be.
So if you're wondering why it's not hitting the
network or something like that it hasn't fully scaled yet it's fully built it's ready to go
but it's and it's live on the network and there might be some transactions but it really hasn't
gotten up to where it's going to be as soon as that happens we're going to get some more information
for you okay nice yeah i thought that they already settled all their uh all the transactions on
i know they i i know they said that but um i'm getting i'm getting my information from somebody
that's pretty uh pretty reliable so i think that it's still it still has room to to run as far as
scaling up yeah well that's only a good thing.
So more to come.
I just checked there at transactions.com.
It's okay.
It was at five TPS.
Now it's at two.
But I guess it's a proper use case.
It's a good one.
But of course, it's not like APMA.io.
We shouldn't expect hundreds of transactions per second, I guess.
Yeah, but anything live on the network is sustainable.
That's the most important thing.
I believe this is, right?
What's your take on that, Brandon?
Because APMA.io, well, was for a long time the thing that we all talked about when it came to TPS for Hedera.
And then at some point they just, well, they shut down.
Yeah, what are your thoughts on this one? Are these transactions here to stay?
Yeah, when it comes, it seems like this is going to be the direction they're going.
And they know they had the problem.
They knew they needed the solution and they created the going to be the direction they're going. And they know they had the problem. They knew they needed the solution,
and they created the platform to address the solution.
Atmio was a new invention.
They didn't know if their customers were going to need the additional trust
that's added when you actually put those transactions on the network.
So they didn't know if they were going to have product market fit,
and they didn't find product market fit
that doesn't mean that they're not gonna find
something in the future, but you know, that's
That's pretty much how it goes. I mean, it's that I'm working on a project right now that
There's no question in my mind that the the business and the product market fit is there
And you compare that to something like another company
that I started, Twigital.
Twigital was a new invention.
You know, you didn't know how it's going to be used
or if it's going to be used and things like that.
When you have something that's that new
and you know, you haven't verified with potential customers
that they are going to use it, they might not use it.
So there's a big difference between the two for sure.
Yeah, that's good to know. By the way, I'm just checking the X account from the Hedera Foundation
and I didn't notice before, but it's been quite inactive compared to uh what it's been
before i'm only seeing six posts this year um and that's including gm posts so um which account is
this they had their foundation oh the foundation yeah no the foundation i mean the main person
that was running it was Zep,
and he's no longer with the Foundation,
so you would expect it to go down significantly.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know that.
I probably don't have a dedicated social person right now
probably sharing in the task.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
I didn't know that Zep was gone.
That's weird, man, because, oh wow, I didn't know that Zepp was gone. That's weird man, because their last post before the McLaren news was from January 20th,
and before that it was January 5th, so 15 days of nothing.
I was actually surprised that there was any post going out on it.
I thought they would be doing everything behind the scenes, so hey, we'll see.
But now all that traction,
all that growth over the years
shouldn't be gone to waste.
And I feel like they still have access
to some grant money.
They still have a lot of grantees
from back in the day
who are still very active, you know?
So, yeah, I know you
thumbnail your video by saying
sunsetting the HBAR Foundation,
Hedera Foundation, Brandon.
But I hope they don't go completely AWOL on us.
I hope they just like, you know, just don't completely stop posting
because they got eyes on them.
It still has a really big name.
And a lot of people from outside the ecosystem,
they might not even know what's going on
and the grants are shifting and stuff.
So, yeah, it shouldn't let us down
with the credibility that they,
like whatever credibility they had left, you know?
So yeah, but I get that they're cutting down.
I know Charles Atkins shifted to HBAR Inc as well,
but yeah, let's see what happens in the future.
Yeah, time will tell.
Also, Niu, if you want to talk,
we had that paper that hit from
Dell, which was really interesting, what they're doing around Equity Lab. Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, it was, well, the first time, it was brought to my attention by one of our superstars in the
space, Kim Chi, does a great job, has all of a sudden become a Korean correspondent, getting
out there and putting out videos in Korean.
We know he's been connecting us to that community, and we know that they are crazy about crypto.
So it's good to have somebody like him in the space.
But I did a deep dive.
It's going to be out in my show tomorrow.
everything that's being done around Equity Lab,
the solution they're doing with NVIDIA, with Intel,
Accenture is on board,
and Dell is also involved with it as well.
So they break down everything,
how Hedera is being used, all that kind of fun stuff.
It was a great paper to read through.
So if you want to check that out,
I'm sure you can find it out there.
Very nice.
I'll try to find it and maybe,
have it pinned to the,
to the Jumbotron as well.
but yeah,
yeah,
I'm still a bit flabbergasted because I really didn't know Zeb was no
longer part of the foundation.
Is he part of any other,
buddy,
Hedera buddy, or is it just, road end here for him at Hedera?
I'm not sure.
I know that there are some people that were at the foundation that are going to land on their feet in other organizations like Hashgraph,
but I don't know about him in particular.
Of course, he's a great guy.
He was doing a great job.
He was, you know, in the community first and then moved over to the foundation, had a great run there at the foundation.
I think, like a lot of people there, he might be taking a little bit of a break and then figuring out where he wants to land.
But, yeah, all the power to him.
He's been a great community member.
He did great work, like I mentioned and uh i hope he lands on
his feet and he he uh moves on to greener pastures yeah definitely um and i think he was doing a
great job especially after uh what seemed like um him getting more freedom in his work and he was
part of the community uh understood the community quite well.
And yeah, I think that the Dara Foundation, the account actually had quite some traction.
So and was reaching more and more people.
I think he struck the right balance between, you know, intern style posting and informative.
So I'm very surprised that they decided to basically just stop that without what seems to be without a plan in place
to continue social media presence from the foundation.
Maybe they're just fully shifting that towards
the Hedera account and that they don't really see the need for a foundation account for a more
intern style kind of account. I think that's right. And I'm guessing that 85% of the foundation personnel were let go. I know because they are still facilitating the grants, the finance department is still there,
and that I think might be three people.
And then I know Charles is still there, James is still there, and that gets you to pretty much 85%.
So, you know, that might be the, you know, there might be a couple more people that I don't know,
but I wouldn't be surprised if there's only five people left.
Wow.
Okay.
So, yeah, maybe the thumbnail was quite correct.
So, yeah, your thumbnail keeps hunting you, man.
I'm also seeing Beth in the audience, by the way
Next generation prediction markets
And you know, there's been quite some hype
On the XRPL
About their prediction market
I don't know
I haven't really checked your account in depth
But it would be cool
If you were actually building on Hedera
To have you up and hear some more
About that, because I think it could be quite cool.
Of course, Hedera is a great chain to have a prediction market on.
And the retail community over at DexRPL are really enjoying their market.
I'm not sure if that's just a temporary thing or it'll keep being used, but there's definitely some merit in.
I think there's quite the future in prediction markets so yeah if you guys are building on the
there are feel free to come up and we'd love to hear a bit more Jordan's back as
well Joe you're unmuted did you want to add something or are you just reading in
the mouth I was clicking and reading I I did see I'm getting mixed posts about
the crypto market
bill. I've seen a couple places
saying they're delaying it to
worry more about housing and
restructure the bill. And then I've seen some other
posts that said they're working on
it today. So I was
hoping to get an update if Brandon heard anything.
No, I haven't heard anything yet.
We'll see what comes of it.
Did you guys see the news about the new taxation on unrealized profits
in the Netherlands? Yeah, they really... No, but they're pushing
it in California.
And they have a bunch of billionaires leaving.
Yeah.
Well, if I were a billionaire,
I'd be leaving my country right now as well.
Is it on all capital markets,
all capital gains,
or just crypto?
Oh, man.
I still have to do a deep dive
to know what's up exactly, but it's bonds, stocks, and Bitcoin was mentioned.
Well, I mean, I'm sure it's not just Bitcoin and not the rest of the crypto. I'm sure with BTC they mean crypto.
So, yeah, I'll have to see.
Maybe housing as well.
No clue.
I can't imagine because that will be a big, big problem for a lot of people.
But I was very surprised because we always had it very good in the Netherlands
in terms of investing and taxes.
and taxes. We didn't really have... What's the tax again that you guys have in the States
We didn't really have...
for making profits on your investments?
It's capital gains, but it's not only if they're realized. Are you saying that these are for
realized or unrealized capital gains? Well, no. So these are the new taxation is for unrealized gains.
But before this, we didn't even have capital gains tax on realized gains.
We just had wealth tax.
So if you made a lot of gains at the end of the year, you pay what came down to 1.5% on your total wealth.
Well, not the first 50K, but after that, your total wealth.
So if you've got a million dollars in your bank account,
you're paying that 1.5%, even if you didn't invest at all.
Even if you lost money, you're still paying taxes over what you have left.
But if you make a lot of money, so if you invest wisely and, I don't know,
you do a great job. That's your profit.
You still just pay that one and a half percent
over your complete wealth.
So this is amazing.
This, I think this,
this actually makes people interested in,
or makes it interesting for people to invest their money.
But we're going from debt to taxing unrealized gains,
which is a 180-degree turn, what it seems to me.
So that's pretty, yeah, it could be pretty devastating
for the investment life in the Netherlands.
for the investment life in the Netherlands.
It's going to be, yeah, it'll be from 2028.
So I don't know, I'll just hope to cash out before then.
And I don't know, reevaluate from there and see what makes sense.
But basically, I guess in the Netherlands, everybody will be cashing out before December 31st.
And well, at least cashing out whatever tax you'll be due the next year.
So it's quite surprising to me.
And I don't think it's a good decision at all.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. to me it's and i don't think it's a it's a good decision at all but yeah
yeah it doesn't make any sense right like taxing unrealized gains and it's not like i don't know
who they're following or who's coming up with this model why they're trying to do it and across all
all of these categories like bonds stocks and stocks, and crypto, it is absolutely wild, man.
Like, it doesn't make any sense.
I'm no economist, but it doesn't make any sense.
Taxes gets into the political realm real quick, but they're always going to want more because the more money they get, the more power they have.
And that's what they want.
So it is what it is.
You got to fight it.
But yeah, like with these decisions, they're definitely going to drive away the biggest
investors, right?
Like the ones who are holding and it's like, oh, so many people just hold in their stocks
and that's why they don't have to pay taxes because they're not really selling their stock.
They're not really drawing too much of a salary.
The biggest CEOs, they hold equity within their own companies.
And even if that starts getting taxed, then it could be a major thing, right?
Like, yeah, imagine if USA starts doing that,
then all these billionaires who have all the network just on paper
but not really living off of it,
now they have to pay enormous amounts of taxes
that they've been evading for years and years
by doing it so well and hiding it in unrealized profits
under their own equities.
So, yeah, it is a game-changing move, you know?
It is, I think, the best way to really tax the rich,
but you're going to drive them away as well
yeah well it wasn't um like we kind of already have taxation on unrealized gains but in the way
that i just described um so in your wealth tax not only your money gets uh gets counted but also
any um well stocks bonds crypto you have so you already had to
disclose that and let's say you have a million in at the beginning of the year
you had a million dollars in crypto well that's your wealth it doesn't really
matter if you have it in crypto or on you know in the bank as cash or in
stocks that's your wealth.
Then they say, okay, we assume that everybody makes 4% on their wealth, so 4% profit.
And on that 4% profit, you'll be paying 35% taxes.
So that comes to about 1.5% on your wealth.
So that was already applied to your unrealized
um well not just your unrealized gains just your your complete wealth um but right now it'll be
um yeah basically taxes on the profits on the well the unrealized gains um and i still have to read up what what
kind of percentages they're they're looking at um yeah maybe the media blown it blown it up but um
blew it up but it's not that bad i still have to dive into it but and it's it'll be implemented in
2028 so who knows maybe Maybe they'll change their mind
before then
and it'll never
be implemented.
But,
yeah,
we'll see.
I'm just hoping that we'll have
a proper bull market
before then
Dutchies can cash out
and recalibrate.
Nah,
it's game over, bro.
Come back in 2029.
We're done for this cycle.
Nah,
I'm just kidding. Nobody knows, you know, nobody knows. But yeah, the decision is bad. I hope somebody like goes against it, they reverse it. Or else, no, you just got to move out of the country after you get married, you know, start a new life, it's a new paradise. Yeah, no, that's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen.
I could maybe Australia or something, but no, my fiance is not going anywhere. So we'll be staying
here and well, actually, I'm saying I could, but I don't think so. I have a little brother as well.
He's nine, so I want to be there for him as well.
And I'm not going anywhere.
So in the worst case scenario, I'll just have to work for my money and not invest it at all.
But yeah, we'll see.
We'll see.
Guys, if you're in the space and you didn't like and repost it yet, make sure to do so.
We got to read some more people to talk about Acebar with us and get them in the space.
I'm seeing 14 reposts, so that's quite good.
If you haven't done so already, make sure to hit that repost button.
Guys, is there anything that we haven't discussed yet
hands in the air all right i think jordan was a was a fraction of a second faster so go ahead man
oh sex co-host go ahead set no no go ahead bro
so neither of you guys have anything to say or are you just like you know I'll
take a robot or something no I think Jordan did you rug a little bit can you
guys hear me no yeah now we can go ahead bro okay yeah I'll just keep it really
quick did you guys already touch on the latest sellout
on kabila from this morning no we did not no let's go awesome cool okay yeah i can put a post up on
the called the mega board right i always forget uh so yeah i'll put a post up there um the angry aliens alliance by monster just sold out this morning
um and they've been taking off as well on secondary i don't know if you guys have been
seeing that but um yeah they lowered the mint price kind of all a couple things you've seen
with a couple other projects that helped drive success um And they sold out really fast after they did that.
They brought in a lot of people also from the XRPL to select that mint.
Looks like a lot of seals got into it too.
So yeah.
Happened this morning.
So yeah.
And that was on Kabila.
So I just wanted to make sure we touch on that in case you guys haven't.
Let's go. Thanks for a shout out, man. So, yeah, and that was on Kabila. So I just wanted to make sure we touch on that in case you guys haven't been.
Let's go.
Thanks for a shout-out, man.
I reposted a post from them earlier today,
but definitely worth it to mention on this space as well.
Congrats to them.
And, yeah, it's great to see that we still have got some energy in the,
well, enough energy in the market to sell out.
A collection of Monsta, he's a great guy, he's been
preparing for this for
how long do you think guys?
A couple months I think
Yeah, he's been working hard
Let's go, knew you're on a muted mic.
I don't know if you were speaking.
No, I was very well aware that I was on a muted mic and I wasn't speaking.
But as you know, you guys both raised your hand and then Brendan started talking as well.
So I figured there's no need for me to jump in.
I'll take it away and then I'll kick it to Brendan real quick.
Yeah, we'll shout out HBuds as well.
He's been doing a mint every Monday at the same time, 4.20 p.m. Eastern.
That's a limited forever mint that happens on HBAR.
I freaking love it.
So, yeah, those mints have been happening as well.
But we also got the first Big Mint of 2026 launching this Saturday.
I think they're launching on centex it is the hash hogs collection
by a community member with a with attack spoon one uh yeah they're launching a collection of
3000 nfts um on centex and they're priced at like 30 h bar for the public i think yeah they got
inspired when bad birds came along and then bad birds went away, but we got some good birds over here still hanging out.
So, yeah, it's going to be the first big mint of 2026.
Keep your eyes peeled and do your own research on that for sure.
Other than that, we also got the Spirits of Ayahuasca collection by Psych Terra still minted on Kabila.
We are at 47% minted out on that with 156 nfts sold um yeah love everyone
who support it and if you're into good psychedelic artwork that will tickle your brain from within
do check it out if you like the art if you like the good vibes then do get involved that's priced
at 88 hbar for public and and well we've also been giving away
some free mints on our spaces uh every uh every day of this week and maybe next week we'll give
some away on the cubby plaza as well because it's the 150th episode of kabila uh open mics so let's
freaking go um yeah it pays to be active y'. It definitely pays to be active in the spaces. I
appreciate each and every one of you who shows up every single day, no matter where the market's at,
especially the community members, you know, the builders, they have to show up for sure. It shows
good dedication and strength, but the community members who show up every day as well,
you make this place so much more fun to be at and you make all the spaces way
more lively so thank you to everyone who show up we're definitely going to keep rewarding
the people who show up in these spaces uh but yeah do check out the spirits of iowa's comment
on kabila um yeah other than that something on my radar um nothing happening in the nft ecosystem
other than this uh i've been tracking
the volume on centex as well and we have been averaging around 100 000 hbar per day over the
last 30 days it's still okay but long ways to go and yeah it'd be exciting to see all that volume
come up all the excitement come back in uh right now, it must be tough with HBAR kind of chopping sideways
between the 10 to 12 cents mark.
But yeah, love to see Hedera building so much behind the scenes
and now in front of the scenes, in front of the eyes now,
like with the McLaren partnership, with the Davos USA house sponsorship,
again and again, being,
showing up with the big name enterprises, the big companies.
Yeah. Really excited for what's to come.
One thing that really struck me out was I think somebody quoted BlackRock.
One of the images they shared yesterday with the percentage
of real world assets uh tokenized on different blockchains or different crypto networks and
hbar did not even show up on that list and which was kind of surprising for me because
i thought hedera is actually leading in terms of the rwas maybe they got too many ndas maybe they haven't announced too much stuff or
really made stuff public but yeah i don't know what's going on with that but yeah excited to
see the future because the way the index funds and the equity markets and so many different
different categories of real world assets are being tokenized on Hedera.
I really thought that HBAR is leading the charge,
but I don't know who to trust these days.
But BlackRock, if BlackRock released something,
I'd definitely trust them.
But I don't trust the source that posted it
saying that, oh, BlackRock posted this.
So yeah, maybe a deeper dive would be necessary.
But yeah, that's all from my end.
A little bit of the NFT ecosystem news So yeah, maybe a deeper dive would be necessary. But yeah, that's all from my end.
A little bit of the NFT ecosystem news and also some Hedera tidbits.
Thanks for sharing, man.
Is this familiar to you, Brendan?
I haven't seen that yet.
I know I'm going down to tokenize Puerto Rico here in a few days. It's one of the bigger real-world asset tokenization things. So if anybody's going to be down there, let me know. I'm going to try to represent Hedera the best I can down there. mentioned that we saw a pretty significant jump in the HBR holdings. Last week, we were still at,
I think, 492 million HBAR assets under management in the ETF. And now it jumped up to, I think,
522. So we have over 1% of the total supply of HBAR now being held in that ETF. So, you know, good moves there. I still think
that the basketed ETFs are going to be the biggest move for the crypto space as a whole. And there's
going to be the haves that have not and have not. The haves are going to be the ones that actually
make it into those. And it seems like the two big indexes do have HBAR in it, and that's the CoinDesk 20 and the Coinbase 50.
So certainly looking forward to that.
Also got a shout out to the game builders.
We have Earthlings here.
I saw some of the stuff that they put out around some of the final tweaks they're putting on their city, getting that ready for a broader launch.
It's already open in beta.
I was playing around with it yesterday.
And then I also see Legends of the Past.
They're planning for a March launch, and they're playing that every day.
Putting out some clips on that just showing everybody what they're doing. So it's exciting to see but I do have to jump off guys.
Thank you so much for having me on today and I think we're in pretty good shape when it comes to the Hedera ecosystem.
Thanks for being here Brandon. Have a great day.
Have a good Friday.
Enjoy your weekend.
See you later.
Right.
We'll be closing up here soon.
But yeah, Ekwa, I think we've seen this a lot.
Just my two cents.
We've seen this a lot.
Oh, okay.
Brandon just unmuted on my screen, but he was just leaving the panel.
And I don't know, X was acting up.
But we've seen this happen a lot where Hedera is not included in specific sections like RWA tokenization.
I think as more and more people try to make sense of the Web3, the DLT crypto ecosystem, it's easy to divide layer ones into specialties.
So, okay, this chain is good in this, this chain is good in that.
In that sense, it makes sense. It's easier to position yourself or to market your layer one.
If you have one big thing going for you and that's the thing you're focusing on,
it's harder when you're claiming to be the best at everything.
the best at everything.
And in the case of Adara, that probably is the case.
And in the case of Adara, that probably is the case.
But yeah, it's hard to put a focus on,
like, of course, they make posts about RWA's,
they make posts about the intersection
between blockchain and AI, where it's also leading.
But it's harder to position yourself
and your brand, your chain, when you're basically doing everything.
So I think that has to do with it.
Yeah, probably, man, for sure.
Yeah, it's hard to be the best at everything.
But yeah, I've been banking on this for more than four years now.
And some people for even more.
Hedera feels like the answer to every question and every problem in Web3.
And I feel like one day, the whole retail side and the enterprise side are going to wake up to this.
Once the tribalism stops and once the chain maxi, being a chain maxi once that's out of the picture
people wake up that oh there is an actual solution out there you know so yeah let's see when that day
comes yeah 100 and i do think uh i do believe as well that hedera is the best at a lot of things
uh maybe even every well all the things um but um i'm just saying that it's not an easy
it's not easy to to do marketing that way like people people need to see very
specific very specifically okay what are you good at what is just this chain
doing and focusing on and it's just a deeper dive with
the deraf like what is it it's not a blockchain it's something else it does everything it claims
to be the best at everything and i'm just seeing it hover in the top 20 so that can't be right
you know i think that's the thought process of a lot of people, like, okay, I don't know what to make of this.
And it takes some more due diligence to actually get to the core and realize that, oh, shit,
they actually are the best at most things.
And, okay, you actually can do all of these things uh very well with
it there um but it takes some more uh some more research to actually understand that i think so
i think that that's where the um the lay ones that claim to have one very specific
specialization area um haven't advances in in marketing but, I mean, that's the way it is,
and it only breeds more opportunity
for those who actually do their research.
And I think that's giving us extra time
to position ourselves well in the ecosystem in Adara
before the crowd finds out about it.
But that's just my, those are my thoughts. before the crowd finds out about it.
But those are my thoughts.
And with that, I think we'll be closing down the space, guys.
Anything we forgot to mention?
No, that was a good space. All right, then.
No outro music today.
We'll just be closing it down.
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Have an amazing day.
Have a blessed Friday and a good weekend.
We'll see you guys next week.
Later.
Oh, I didn't even mention Jordan.
Jordan, thanks for being here, man,
and actually chipping in, sharing your thoughts.
Much appreciated.
And I'll let you up because you requested.
Is there, before I close the space down down is there anything you'd like to add hey I heard the last little bit
of what you were saying um you're talking to me right oh yeah sorry no I was letting
you up so you were in the uh yeah in the in between no I was ready to close down the
space but I saw you requested so maybe um there was something you you wanted to add still yeah yeah actually hedera put out a post 10 minutes ago uh they have the
first wave of speakers for hedera con announced um i can put that up on the megaboard really quickly
but one that really intrigued me is mclaren racing will be on the speaker panel for HederaCon. So let's fucking go, guys.
Nice.
That's amazing.
And there's other ones like, you know, Citibank and other, like, you know,
fun companies.
But McLaren is definitely the sexiest one up there.
100%.
It'll be interesting to see in what way they'll be talking about if they're
on stage. Like, do they know what they're talking about? Are they excited? And I don't know.
Oftentimes the vibe says a lot, right? Is the representative just sitting there because they made a deal that someone
from McLaren would be there
or is this person just
you know fired up
and enthusiastic about Hedera
and talking about use cases
and those and stuff
I'll be interested in seeing that
Yeah me too man
it's going to be really cool
I think if I were just going to be like
onboarding
the end of norris to hatch pack probably uh so i think it'll be a great i heard they're giving
away a mclearing too but i can't i can't find the post but i heard it yeah sure i heard that too Yeah, that's sponsored by Hot Wheels, not just McLaren.
All right.
It's time to close down the space.
Thanks for this last edition, Jordan.
Have a good day, everybody. And we'll see you guys next week for episode 150. Thank you.
